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| carl_baldwin | amuller: I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169/ is about ready for your review. | 00:16 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: hey is anyone looking in to those dvr functional test failures? I've never seen that before: http://logs.openstack.org/69/143169/61/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-functional/6bf8d9e/console.html | 00:22 |
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| amuller | I don't see a bug for it | 00:23 |
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| amuller | functional job failure rate is spiking =/ | 00:23 |
| Swami | amuller: I was not aware about this. | 00:23 |
| Swami | amuller: do you know what test_function is failing. | 00:24 |
| amuller | Swami: all I know is in that link I pasted earlier | 00:24 |
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| amuller | also for some reason the nice HTML table is not being output for the functional job anymore | 00:24 |
| Swami | amuller: yes I don't see any test results for it. | 00:25 |
| amuller | Swami: no | 00:25 |
| amuller | Swami: but you can search for 'failed' in the console output | 00:25 |
| amuller | you'll see the 3 tests that failed | 00:25 |
| Swami | ok | 00:25 |
| amuller | also the job seems to be taking over an hour..? | 00:27 |
| Swami | amuller: yes I do see the failing tests. | 00:27 |
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| Swami | was there any patch related to those tests got checked in. | 00:27 |
| Swami | amuller: ok I will do more investigation on this. | 00:27 |
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| amuller | Swami: I'm going over console outputs for recent CI jobs, lots of failures on those tests | 00:28 |
| amuller | Swami: also check out how long the tests run for, over 4000 seconds | 00:28 |
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| Swami | amuller: yes I see it | 00:29 |
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| amuller | Swami: it's not pushing the functional job logs, may be because the job is timing out and something is killing it | 00:29 |
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| Swami | amuller: This might be an issue introduced just today. Since it was fine when I ran the functional tests yesterday. | 00:30 |
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| amuller | Swami: according to graphite the functional job failure rate is going up starting from today so I would agree | 00:30 |
| Swami | amuller: makes sense | 00:31 |
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| amuller | Swami: I don't see any interesting changes to the L3 agent or the functional tests the last couple of days. Also looking at the front page of Gerrit it's around 4 tests that are failing randomly, and it's harder to debug this without the test logs we usually have... | 00:33 |
| Swami | amuller: I agree | 00:34 |
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| Swami | amuller: is it just the dvr related tests or in common does the functional test fail. | 00:34 |
| Swami | amuller: I have also seen the functional tests relatively instable for a while. | 00:35 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: They've only just hit my radar because I've been working on my own patches most of the day. | 00:35 |
| Swami | amuller: even last week I saw random failures and even yesterday I saw some random failures. | 00:35 |
| amuller | Swami: sure but these failures are new and shiny :) | 00:35 |
| amuller | and frequent | 00:35 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Swami: Is there a bug filed? | 00:35 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: no | 00:35 |
| amuller | not yet | 00:36 |
| Swami | not yet | 00:36 |
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| amuller | Swami: all 4 tests have dvr in common | 00:36 |
| amuller | I don't understand why the tests are running for thousands of seconds, we're supposed to have a global test timeout of 180 seconds defined in tox.ini | 00:37 |
| amuller | Swami: if we bring the global timeout back we would have the test logs back (I think) so we might wanna do that first | 00:37 |
| amuller | Swami: carl_baldwin: I'll report a bug | 00:38 |
| lifeless | amuller: per test, or total runtime ? | 00:38 |
| amuller | lifeless: per test | 00:38 |
| amuller | lifeless: hi :) | 00:38 |
| lifeless | amuller: hi ;) | 00:38 |
| Swami | amuller: I agree | 00:38 |
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| amuller | lifeless: It's always exciting in the Neutron stadium :) | 00:38 |
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| Swami | amuller: I will check it out in my test setup and will update my findings. | 00:40 |
| amuller | Swami: yeah booting a tests VM as well | 00:40 |
| Swami | amuller: ok, I need to run home. catch you later. | 00:41 |
| amuller | Swami: cya | 00:41 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1521815 | 00:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521815 in neutron "DVR functional tests failing intermittently" [High,New] | 00:49 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Thanks. | 00:49 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: dunno if this is unrelated but I'm getting left over FIP namespaces after functional job runs | 00:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: There was some change in when these namespaces are deleted. I wonder if the functional tests were not updated. | 01:00 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: I've got to pick up my son. I'll keep an eye on IRC if anything big comes up. | 01:00 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: ack | 01:01 |
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| annp | amotoki: ping | 06:03 |
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| annp | amotoki, reedip: we've updated logging api specs for sg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/33/specs/mitaka/logging-API-for-security-group-rules.rst. I'd like you take a look at it. | 06:04 |
| reedip | annp : Sure, will do it today | 06:05 |
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| annp | reedip: thanks alot. | 06:06 |
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| reedip | annp: Please find the review comments | 07:37 |
| reedip | annp: hope it helps and does not bring the patch back to square 1 | 07:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | huan proposed openstack/neutron: XenAPI: Fix netwrap to support security group https://review.openstack.org/251242 | 07:38 |
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| annp | reedip: Thanks, I'll check it. | 07:42 |
| dasm | good morning | 07:43 |
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| diltram | Hello everyone | 08:00 |
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| scheuran | yalie, ping | 08:23 |
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| chenli | hello, I have a question, can I enable vpnaas under devstack? | 09:23 |
| chenli | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/VPNaaS/HowToInstall#VPNaaS_with_Single_DevStack_and_Two_Routers | 09:24 |
| chenli | this page looks a little strange to me. | 09:24 |
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| chenli | do I must checkout neutron to change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33148/ ? | 09:24 |
| chenli | can vpnaas work with master branch directly ? | 09:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hirofumi Ichihara proposed openstack/neutron: Add functional test for availability_zone support https://review.openstack.org/210977 | 09:55 |
| kashyap | Hi folks, seems like this test is failing (it was last night, maybe it was fixed while I was asleep) - empest.scenario.test_network_basic_ops.TestNetworkBasicOps.test_port_security_macspoofing_port[compute,id-7c0bb1a2-d053-49a4-98f9-ca1a1d849f63,network] | 09:55 |
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| kashyap | Associated log: http://logs.openstack.org/80/251980/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full/a0c33c9/console.html | 09:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | IWAMOTO Toshihiro proposed openstack/neutron: DO NOT MERGE: OVS-agent: Switch the default to "native" of_interface https://review.openstack.org/206329 | 10:10 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys: Good morning. How are things? | 10:28 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: not sure yet, just got out of a morning meeting | 10:29 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: ok, hopefull it will go well. :) | 10:30 |
| openstackgerrit | fumihiko kakuma proposed openstack/neutron: Add to deprecate the OFAgent in release note https://review.openstack.org/251820 | 10:30 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: it always goes well! so do you have patches to check quick? I could miss updates, you can give me a lead here. | 10:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Sreekumar S proposed openstack/neutron: Disabling/Re-enabling ML2 type driver create orphan n/w segments https://review.openstack.org/245137 | 10:31 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys: Maybe look at this: https://review.openstack.org/251974. Its devstack patch is howevere failing gate, so will look at that soon. | 10:32 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: Are the *aaS projects to be covered: FWaaS, LBaaS and VPNaaS? | 10:33 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: re release note, I don't know how we manage release notes in *aas. you better ask Kyle. | 10:33 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: yes, that's the whole list | 10:33 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: ok, will ask Kyle today sometime. He seemed to be busy yesterday. | 10:34 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys: ack on *aas. Should I updated the BP as it referes to neutron.conf? | 10:34 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: you can, but I don't care less :) | 10:39 |
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| ihrachys | *can't | 10:40 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys:ok,. So its not that important the scope in the bp then? | 10:40 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: hopefully the blocked patches will move on this week. thanks for adding your comments to them. :) | 10:41 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: I don't think so, but you can clean it up if you like | 10:41 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: thats all from me. is there anything you would like to add? | 10:45 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: not really. I commented on the *aas patch | 10:46 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: sure, thanks. I only changed the default because that was value set in the static config file. | 10:47 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: yeah, but it's changing actual value, not just help message. | 10:49 |
| ihrachys | so should be considered separately | 10:49 |
| ihrachys | btw I don't disagree it may be a good thing to do | 10:49 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys:ok, I understand. I will revert then. thanks | 10:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Martin Hickey proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas: Automatically generate neutron FWaaS configuration files https://review.openstack.org/251974 | 10:54 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: note I am +1 only in *aas repos | 11:03 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: so we'll need other folks to chime in to merge it | 11:03 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys: sure, thats grand. I am happy with keeping the pipe full with patches so can try and get bp complete for Mitaka. | 11:05 |
| ihrachys | hdaniel: ok I left some comments on rbac patch, take a look when you have time | 11:05 |
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| hdaniel | ihrachys: cool. 10x - going over them as we speak. | 11:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | xiexs proposed openstack/neutron: Optimize "open" method with context manager https://review.openstack.org/250676 | 11:10 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: hi | 11:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Kilo initial migration https://review.openstack.org/239931 | 11:16 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: hi | 11:18 |
| ihrachys | akamyshnikova: can you clarify why we always squash those scripts? | 11:18 |
| ihrachys | I don't get what it buys us except potentially making folks lives harder if they want to try upgrades stepping in multiple cycles | 11:19 |
| pc_m | Regarding pylint commits... The requirements patch for Juno, is not really needed. No project is doing pylint for Juno, AFAICT. | 11:19 |
| pc_m | I commented on the review. | 11:20 |
| pc_m | For the other commits, there are some still pending. Do you think I should modify the commit message with bug # (I created one last night). | 11:20 |
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| pc_m | ? | 11:21 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: I don't think so, let's just fix the gate assap | 11:21 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: for Juno, ok, I put -1 until someone broken shows up | 11:21 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: ok, I see you respin patches. | 11:22 |
| akamyshnikova | ihrachys, hi, ask HenryG or salvatore, they definitely should know more about it. | 11:22 |
| ihrachys | I would not advice, but meh | 11:22 |
| ihrachys | akamyshnikova: huh. I thought you proposed the patch :) | 11:22 |
| akamyshnikova | ihrachys, I describe its purpose in commit message | 11:23 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: For VPN, looks like kilo needs 2nd reviewer, liberty just needs to wait for 252008 to pass gate, master need core review. | 11:23 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: For Neutron kilo needs build and review. Since you removed the depends-on, I changed to add the bug ID to that one (only). | 11:23 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: ack | 11:24 |
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| akamyshnikova | ihrachys, Also sorry that I missed upgrade meeting on Monday, I was sent to another project and have very busy schedule now :( | 11:24 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: kilo in gate. | 11:24 |
| openstackgerrit | venkata anil proposed openstack/neutron: Fix prefix delegation deleting addresses for ports https://review.openstack.org/241227 | 11:25 |
| ihrachys | akamyshnikova: there was no meeting, there were issues with irc (freenode ddosed?) | 11:25 |
| ihrachys | akamyshnikova: so you made a wise choice ;) | 11:25 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: yeah the requirements one. | 11:25 |
| akamyshnikova | ihrachys, I haven't missed anything, great :) | 11:26 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Ah, I see you +Aed the neutron patch. | 11:26 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: cool | 11:26 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: oh but it won't pass without reqs | 11:26 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: right? | 11:26 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: ok reqs in gate too | 11:27 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Maybe not, as 252008 is not through yet. | 11:27 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: but the order in which they got into gate is wrong I guess, so recheck would be needed for neutron piece | 11:27 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: That's why I updated (252008 hasn't merged) | 11:28 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: but it's in gate, order should be ok | 11:28 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: Although, it passed pep8. Maybe it will pass. | 11:28 |
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| ajo | ihrachys , could you check my question here (after your answer): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250081/4/neutron/db/migration/alembic_migrations/versions/mitaka/contract/c6c112992c9_rbac_qos_policy.py ? | 11:34 |
| ajo | thanks | 11:34 |
| ajo | :) | 11:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pallavi proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas: Incorrect success message of remove routers with firewall in Horizon https://review.openstack.org/252345 | 11:41 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: replied. it's covered in upgrades devref page | 11:44 |
| ihrachys | ajo: maybe not explicitly enough? if so, tell me. | 11:44 |
| ajo | ihrachys : I will re-read the upgrade pages to verify that, thanks | 11:44 |
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| ajo | ihrachys : ahaa | 11:44 |
| ajo | so, we upgrade the database while the old servers are running, then stop, then contract | 11:45 |
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| ajo | then start | 11:45 |
| ajo | (them all) | 11:45 |
| ihrachys | ajo: if we would support rolling for servers, that would need some architectural changes first | 11:45 |
| ihrachys | ajo: like a proxy (conductor?) that would hide db from servers. | 11:45 |
| ajo | correct | 11:45 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: alternatively we pin somehow to old db implementation. | 11:46 |
| ihrachys | but that's probably in Piston release ;) | 11:46 |
| openstackgerrit | yujie proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Adds specs file https://review.openstack.org/252279 | 11:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hong Hui Xiao proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP]Test code for Bug 1518921 https://review.openstack.org/251318 | 11:55 |
| openstack | bug 1518921 in neutron "Functional tests failing inside _test_restart_service_on_sighup with "Timed out waiting for file /tmp/XXX/YYY/test_server.tmp to be created and its size become equal to ZZZ"" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518921 - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 11:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/neutron: Use _ from neutron._i18n (neutron.[a-d]*) https://review.openstack.org/250990 | 13:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/neutron: Use _ from neutron._i18n (the rest modules) https://review.openstack.org/250991 | 13:14 |
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| hdaniel | ihrachys: regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250081/4/neutron/tests/unit/services/qos/test_qos_plugin.py . is it acceptable to mock the test obj per specific test (e.g. update? ) | 13:36 |
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| ihrachys | hdaniel: since it's a unit test for the plugin, not objects, I would actually expect it to mock everything object-y from there and validate the plugin itself only | 13:36 |
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| ihrachys | hdaniel: that's the right way to do unit tests | 13:36 |
| ihrachys | hdaniel: you ask jlibosva, he likes to rant about neutron unit tests not being very well isolated :D | 13:37 |
| hdaniel | ihrachys: ack :) | 13:37 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: ping | 13:42 |
| amotoki | pc_m: pong | 13:42 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: On the _ translation function deprecation, are we doing that immediately, for for a future release? | 13:43 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: for M, and remove in N, as we usually handle deprecations | 13:43 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: OK. Will comment on commit. | 13:44 |
| amotoki | pc_m: there is no need to rush. ihar covers all points. | 13:44 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: so speaking of pylint breakage, anything I can do more for fire drill, apart from constraints work? | 13:45 |
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| * ihrachys is eager to click Done on that todo | 13:45 | |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: I think it is shaping up OK. I'm monitoring things. | 13:46 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: thanks, ping me anytime, and I mark it as done my side for now | 13:50 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: sure. thanks for helping with the stable branches. | 13:50 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: Was wondering, there is a global requirements update for VPN on a package. It is failing pep8, because it doesn't have the changes from the update that fixed astroid. | 13:52 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: It needs a rebase. Do I need to manually rebase that commit? | 13:52 |
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| pc_m | It is one of the bot generated ones. | 13:52 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: to speed up things, I would just manually respin it with the needed update added | 13:52 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: or we wait for bot which probably take some time | 13:53 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: will do... | 13:53 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: thanks for taking care of it; gate usually lacks brave folks who rush to fix it. | 13:53 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: or foolish :) | 13:55 |
| pc_m | like lambs to the slaughert :) | 13:55 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: I share your perspective | 13:57 |
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| ihrachys | just being diplomatic :D | 13:58 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: ping re upgrade meetings | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: qos meeting? | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: ah sorry, it's bi-weekly now, right. | 14:05 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: Can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251556/ as this fixes breakage on master for VPN? | 14:07 |
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| amotoki | pc_m: sure | 14:07 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: thanks | 14:07 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: I wonder how I get +2 for *aas for those kinds of infra changes. | 14:11 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: Yeah there are neutron-* core approver groups | 14:12 |
| pc_m | maybe ask armax if you can be added? | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: I don't believe someone would be against giving it to me as long as I don't utilize it for *aas specific stuff. I don't care about *aas themselves much , but I want to be able to fix gate | 14:12 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: yup | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: I will. | 14:13 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: I think he should give you access for that purpose. | 14:13 |
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| pc_m | this is case in point, where we need +2 +A on vpn, and I don't think I should self approve :) | 14:14 |
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| * pc_m not sure I can... space and time may collapse. | 14:14 | |
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| moshele | ihrachys: hi | 14:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Optimize "open" method with context manager https://review.openstack.org/250676 | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | moshele: hi | 14:30 |
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| moshele | ihrachys: this commit https://review.gerrithub.io/#/c/252655/ in rdo packages broke building it in liberty , should we create branch ? | 14:31 |
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| moshele | ihrachys: I mean a branch for liberty | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | moshele: yes, we should. ask apevec or number80. better on #rdo | 14:33 |
| moshele | ihrachys: ok | 14:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: pong | 15:06 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251556/ which fixes pylint breakage for VPN on master? | 15:06 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, pong | 15:12 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, sorry I was in another meeting | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: hey! so I am on PTO next week, and we need someone to lead the next meeting. will you be able to cover myself? I will work on agenda to make it current. | 15:13 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I wanted ping you regarding this, I will be off on Monday and Tuesday next week | 15:14 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, maybe we should cancel the meeting ...I don't think that moving it to another day would work | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: :D ok I will ask more people around. if they are off too, I will cancel. | 15:19 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks | 15:19 |
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| schokshi | Hello ...need some help with bug 1445089 | 16:03 |
| openstack | bug 1445089 in neutron "allowed-address-pairs broken with l2pop/arp responder and LinuxBridge/VXLAN" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445089 - Assigned to yalei wang (yalei-wang) | 16:03 |
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| schokshi | has anyone hit this bug? | 16:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron: Redirecting some modules to a neutron-lib DO NOT MERGE https://review.openstack.org/242222 | 16:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed openstack/neutron: Add a script to create review dashboard for a milestone https://review.openstack.org/248645 | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Shih-Hao Li proposed openstack/neutron: Make MetadataProxyHandler configurable https://review.openstack.org/247874 | 16:54 |
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| regXboi | armax: you awake? | 16:59 |
| armax | regXboi: not quite, give me 10 pls | 16:59 |
| armax | ;) | 16:59 |
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| regXboi | armax: I'm not a big fan of the idea of granularity at the collection level because I don't see it helping with respect to load at all | 17:12 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | asadoughi: I have been having trouble with my IRC bouncer today. I think I saw a message from you about a devref. Let me look in eavesdrop... | 17:20 |
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| asadoughi | oh ok, i'll resend carl_baldwin_ | 17:21 |
| asadoughi | freenode's been netsplitting all day | 17:22 |
| openstackgerrit | yalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Add network_update RPC into sriov agent https://review.openstack.org/233499 | 17:22 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | asadoughi: What’s worse is I am trying out irccloud the last couple of weeks. It has some nice things but when it doesn’t work, it is a real pain. I can’t even get in to it and it is still logged in as carl_baldwin | 17:23 |
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| armax | regXboi: back | 17:24 |
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| regXboi | armax: a configurable granularity on counters doesn't help | 17:25 |
| armax | regXboi: it’s related to how often collect and report data | 17:25 |
| armax | regXboi: it does have an impact on load | 17:25 |
| regXboi | no, it doesn't | 17:25 |
| armax | regXboi: why do you think so? | 17:25 |
| regXboi | so... the underlying reference implementation gives us individual counts/bytes | 17:25 |
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| regXboi | so we still have to poll to see those change | 17:25 |
| regXboi | and that load doesn't change | 17:26 |
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| regXboi | the only load the changes is the offered load in the reporting channel | 17:26 |
| regXboi | er load *that* changes | 17:26 |
| armax | which load are you talking about? | 17:26 |
| armax | to be precise? | 17:26 |
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| regXboi | armax; the load on the node from the act of polling for the counters | 17:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | moo. | 17:27 |
| armax | that’s not the one I am talking about | 17:27 |
| armax | I am talking about the load on the agreggator | 17:27 |
| regXboi | armax: aha | 17:28 |
| armax | regXboi: I knew there was some communication breakdown | 17:28 |
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| regXboi | armax: can we hold that part of the discussion for when we get to that part of the implementation? | 17:28 |
| regXboi | armax: I'm scared of the polling load right now | 17:28 |
| regXboi | regXboi on the individual nodes | 17:28 |
| armax | regXboi: I only raised it because you mentioned a few words in the data collection paragraph | 17:29 |
| armax | line 317 and beyond | 17:29 |
| armax | you see the neutron server as an agreggator, don’t you? | 17:29 |
| regXboi | yes, that's only because that impacts the choice of push/pull | 17:29 |
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| regXboi | armax: yes, but I haven't decided if its the server process or not | 17:29 |
| anteaya | could a neutron driver +1 a patch to remove py26 jobs from python-neutronclient please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252269/1 | 17:29 |
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| armax | anteaya: | 17:30 |
| * armax looks | 17:30 | |
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| anteaya | thanks | 17:30 |
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| armax | regXboi: in the end the last comment I made was mainly food for thought | 17:31 |
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| regXboi | ok, I've answered it with my concerns | 17:31 |
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| regXboi | and I'll respin because there are enough changes | 17:31 |
| regXboi | and we'll keep it in mind for the next part | 17:31 |
| armax | regXboi: in light of this clarification do you still think that granularity might not helo? | 17:31 |
| armax | help? | 17:31 |
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| armax | in the end you push notifications can happen on a fixed time schedule or not | 17:32 |
| armax | I think that’s mainly the point I am trying to make | 17:32 |
| regXboi | armax: while my gut tells me it might help, it is changing things in a way that I don't like | 17:32 |
| armax | and the period can be made variable | 17:32 |
| armax | it doesn’t necessarily mean that it must be though | 17:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | sup guys | 17:33 |
| regXboi | historically, operators have gotten to the single packet/byte and I'm not comfortable changing that without some buy-in | 17:33 |
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| armax | but the knob may come handy | 17:33 |
| armax | regXboi: agreed | 17:33 |
| regXboi | armax: let me get the PoC running without it and get some numbers on polling load as well as traffic numbers coming to the aggregator | 17:33 |
| regXboi | and then we can talk about some real scaling data | 17:33 |
| armax | the reported counter will still be in byes | 17:34 |
| armax | packets | 17:34 |
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| armax | it’s the sampling that varies | 17:34 |
| regXboi | armax: like I said - let's get some numbers using the lowest level of granularity and see what that tells us | 17:34 |
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| regXboi | armax: basically, I'd like some data to help drive the discussion :) | 17:35 |
| armax | regXboi: that will only tell you one version of the story, but sure | 17:35 |
| regXboi | armax: but if that version works, then I'll argue for "kiss" | 17:36 |
| armax | regXboi: I’ll give you a kiss regardless | 17:36 |
| armax | regXboi: but that’s hardly the point :) | 17:36 |
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| armax | regXboi: there’s enough heterogeneity out there to warrant for some advanced capability in tuning the collection/reporting process | 17:37 |
| armax | that’s all I am saying | 17:37 |
| regXboi | armax: at this point, I remain unconvinced | 17:37 |
| armax | regXboi: sure, I have seen it before…I am convinced | 17:37 |
| roaet | howdy armax. w.r.t https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/versioned-objects I want to reboot it and submitted an RFE. Was that the right thing to do? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1522102 Thank you for your time. | 17:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522102 in neutron "use oslo-versioned-objects to help with upgrades" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Justin Hammond (justin-hammond) | 17:38 |
| armax | roaet: it’s best to talk to ihrachys | 17:38 |
| armax | roaet: he’s the one looking at OVO | 17:39 |
| roaet | Ah. ok. thank you armax. What is OVO? | 17:39 |
| ihrachys | roaet: ovo == oslo.versionedobjects | 17:39 |
| armax | ihrachys: darn | 17:39 |
| roaet | oh! thanks | 17:39 |
| armax | ihrachys always beats me to it | 17:39 |
| ihrachys | roaet: the title for RFE is wrong | 17:39 |
| armax | :( | 17:39 |
| ihrachys | roaet: objects do not help with upgrades | 17:39 |
| roaet | ihrachys: sorry was primarily copying over the old bp | 17:40 |
| armax | anteaya: it’s all yours | 17:40 |
| ihrachys | roaet: hm, or maybe it's correct. they may be used to help in some way. but it's not first step to tackle. | 17:40 |
| ihrachys | first step is introducing objects. | 17:40 |
| anteaya | armax: thank you | 17:40 |
| ihrachys | then we can think about data migrations, and basing RPC endpoints on them | 17:40 |
| armax | kevinbenton: shoot this one in the eye | 17:40 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252278/ | 17:40 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: be kind, though | 17:41 |
| ihrachys | roaet: so the work is ongoing as part of upgrades subteam started in Mitaka, and you are welcome to join meetings to become aware of what's going on | 17:41 |
| roaet | ihrachys: I would like to do that | 17:41 |
| ihrachys | roaet: should be every Mon at 15 UTC at -alt channel, though it may be skipped this week. | 17:41 |
| kevinbenton | armax: done | 17:41 |
| armax | regXboi: is there anything else you’d like to sync up? or did you find most of my comments clear? | 17:41 |
| armax | kevinbenton: attaboy | 17:41 |
| roaet | ihrachys: is there a website for the subteam? | 17:41 |
| ihrachys | roaet: there is agenda page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam | 17:42 |
| regXboi | armax: that was it - most of the rest were clear | 17:42 |
| armax | regXboi: thanks, ping me as soon as you respin it, and I’ll go over it | 17:42 |
| ihrachys | roaet: so speaking of ovo, there are two folks looking at PoC for some core resources, we'll need to hear from them about progress and see how we move forward. | 17:42 |
| regXboi | armax: ack - today is a lost day of meetings | 17:43 |
| armax | regXboi: I am told that it’s important do delegate | 17:43 |
| armax | regXboi: you should do the same :) | 17:43 |
| roaet | ok | 17:43 |
| roaet | Do you know the two people? | 17:43 |
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| armax | pc_m: ping | 17:47 |
| armax | you happy with dougwig’s replies on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250071/? | 17:48 |
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| roaet | ihrachys: so does the blueprint need to be redone as per armax's suggestion? How can I become involved in this effort? Should I just wait for the next meeting? | 17:51 |
| ihrachys | roaet: sure I do :) | 17:51 |
| roaet | ihrachys: it's rossella_s and I don't know what artur's name is | 17:51 |
| ihrachys | roaet: as per late discussion with armax on the matter, we don't need RFE, as long as we document progress in devref | 17:52 |
| korzen | roaet, it me :) | 17:52 |
| ihrachys | roaet: yes, korzen it is | 17:52 |
| roaet | korzen: it you! | 17:52 |
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| rossella_s | roaet, so you want to join the ovo party? | 17:53 |
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| roaet | rossella_s: indeed | 17:54 |
| korzen | ihrachys, the progress it means for example who is doing what? | 17:54 |
| ihrachys | korzen: no, the actual progress of how we transform resources into objects | 17:54 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: tips/obstacles. | 17:54 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: so that we understand the implications and can apply the same for other resources. | 17:55 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, shall we give a quick update now? | 17:55 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: if you have something, I don't mind. but honestly I am in a huge pit right now considering stuff to do in next 1.5days before PTO, I am not very useful lately. | 17:56 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: I assume you folks should sync more between you than with me at this point | 17:56 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, you are very useful, right let's do that | 17:56 |
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| roaet | sorry to stir the pot before the holidays | 17:56 |
| rossella_s | roaet I am still working at the POC of the port object, it's hard to include people at this stage | 17:57 |
| roaet | rossella_s: I understand | 17:58 |
| rossella_s | roaet, I hope I will have something next week, so that other can give feedback | 17:58 |
| roaet | and korzen is working the network object? | 17:58 |
| rossella_s | think so | 17:58 |
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| korzen | yes, I was about to give my status on last monday meeting but we have connectivity problems due to DDoS at freenode | 17:59 |
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| roaet | yeah it's been hard to use freenode lately. | 18:00 |
| korzen | I guess the main objects are port (the biggest), network, subnet... | 18:00 |
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| dougwig | carl_baldwin_: can you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1521909 ? | 18:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521909 in neutron "subnet_allocation extention is no need" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 18:01 |
| korzen | rossella_s, can you spot any more pieces of OVO puzzle ? | 18:01 |
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| roaet | i can look into the subnet object, it'll take me some time to digest OVO though | 18:02 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, there are enough object but I don't think it buys much to start working on more object at the same time | 18:02 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: we need to be specific about what we look into. we don't have acceptance for all the world migrated in one cycle | 18:03 |
| ihrachys | sorry rossella_s | 18:03 |
| ihrachys | I directed to roaet | 18:03 |
| ihrachys | ro<tab> | 18:03 |
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| roaet | ihrachys: understood | 18:03 |
| rossella_s | so roaet a good start is to get familiar with ovo | 18:03 |
| roaet | rossella_s: that I can do! | 18:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: ping | 18:03 |
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| rossella_s | roaet, tbh I spent most a decent amount of time just checking how other projects are using ovos | 18:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: ping | 18:04 |
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| roaet | rossella_s: ok I will do that | 18:04 |
| korzen | rossella_s, can you post any tips of how to handle the OVO in Neutron world? | 18:04 |
| korzen | I mean the mech_driver | 18:04 |
| roaet | nova and ironic are using atm? | 18:04 |
| korzen | and extentions? | 18:04 |
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| rossella_s | korzen I am trying to find a way to handle extensions... | 18:05 |
| rossella_s | korzen, no solutions yet | 18:05 |
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| korzen | rossella_s :/ | 18:06 |
| rossella_s | korzen, will ping you when I have something | 18:06 |
| rossella_s | korzen, I have some ideas, want to test them | 18:06 |
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| roaet | Are there any public githubs with commits I can look at? | 18:07 |
| korzen | ok, rossella_s can we prepare some notes on the nearest upgrade subteam meeting? | 18:07 |
| roaet | of your work rossella_s/korzen? | 18:07 |
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| korzen | roaet, mine is not submitted | 18:08 |
| rossella_s | korzen, I will be on holidays, can't take part in the next meeting but i will try to share a review with a small POC | 18:08 |
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| dougwig | carl_baldwin: can you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1521909 ? | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521909 in neutron "subnet_allocation extention is no need" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 18:09 |
| roaet | rossella_s: that would be really helpful for me :D thank you | 18:09 |
| dougwig | this net split nonsense is for the birds. | 18:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | dougwig: looking... | 18:10 |
| korzen | rossella_s, ok thanks | 18:10 |
| dasm | dougwig: probably vmware wants to break openstack | 18:10 |
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| dasm | that's why they're ddos-ing freenode | 18:10 |
| dasm | ;) | 18:10 |
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| roaet | thank you korzen and rossella_s | 18:11 |
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| dougwig | dasm: heh. | 18:12 |
| rossella_s | roaet, thank you for offering to help | 18:12 |
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| gsagie_ | Sam-I-Am : i sent you a private message, i am very interested to know how to can i contribute and add documentations for the networking-guide to other parts then OVN (For example Kuryr and other open source neutron implementations), can you please share the process ? | 18:14 |
| carl_baldwin | dougwig: done | 18:15 |
| dougwig | carl_baldwin: ty | 18:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | gsagie_: we really dont know the process for third-party contributions yet. we tried them with other guides several releases ago and ended up with stale or broken content that no one from vendors was committed enough to manage... and the central docs team can't understand every third-party thing. | 18:15 |
| roaet | rossella_s: np. if you don't mind posting to a public github any work thus far so I can understand better that would be awesome. But I understand that could be a pain. | 18:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | gsagie_: i suspect this will become a topic in the next networking guide meeting, docs meeting, and/or on the docs mailing list | 18:16 |
| carl_baldwin | dougwig: yw | 18:16 |
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| rossella_s | roaet, I was planning to send a WIP review, so it will be on gerrit | 18:16 |
| gsagie_ | Sam-I-Am: i don't understand why project Kuryr for example is a "third-party contribution" | 18:16 |
| * rossella_s now I really need to get that stuff done ! | 18:16 | |
| Sam-I-Am | gsagie_: its not considered a reference arch by neutron | 18:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | gsagie_: i dont even know what it is | 18:17 |
| roaet | makes sends. thank you. Erm. Is there a way I can be notified when that happens? Something I can subscribe to? | 18:17 |
| roaet | sends/sense | 18:17 |
| gsagie_ | Sam-I-Am: then how do you know it doesnt fit to the networking-guide? ;) | 18:17 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: pong | 18:18 |
| gsagie_ | Sam-I-Am: this is why i wanted to know the process to first suggest content and once everything is approved/verified by you guys we can continue | 18:18 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: pong | 18:18 |
| gsagie_ | Sam-I-Am: but i am not sure what this process is right now | 18:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: yo. had to airport yesterday, so missed some of the continued convo about adding ovn to the net guide | 18:18 |
| russellb | ah | 18:19 |
| russellb | not sure what we concluded exactly | 18:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not sure how to address this can of worms | 18:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | which may also be a grenade | 18:19 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: IMO, there's a good argument against conditional (multiple versions) for the networking guide | 18:19 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: but sc68cal's concern is quite valid too, that it can't explode into a dumping ground of 100 unmaintained scenarios | 18:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep. and for including non-refarch mechanisms | 18:20 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: my suggestion is to write up clear criteria for what's included vs. not | 18:20 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: "ref impl + OVN because we want to keep it to a small default set and that seems sane" is one way to do it ... | 18:21 |
| russellb | but unlikely to be satisfactory to many others :) | 18:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, you just need to make ovn the evolution of ovs and we're good :) | 18:21 |
| russellb | well it is from ovs perspective | 18:21 |
| gsagie_ | Sam-I-Am: What is the problem with having vendor specific parts? if they aren't in good quality enough in the documentation team don't include them until they are | 18:21 |
| russellb | gsagie_: mainly a management problem | 18:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, thats pretty much it | 18:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | we had a bad experience with third-party docs in the main tree | 18:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | there was a lot of dump-and-forget | 18:22 |
| dougwig | HenryG: you alive out there today? :) | 18:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | the core docs team could not determine when content became outdated, or how to address bugs | 18:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | so we just removed it all | 18:23 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: that seems sane, "we only cover the basics here with LB and OVS. Neutron has 2 ways for using OVS, the original direct OVS usage, and then a newer experimental thing from OVS (OVN)" | 18:23 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: IMO anyway .... | 18:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: thats how i see it too | 18:23 |
| russellb | beyond that, could have a references page at the end with links to other docs for other things | 18:24 |
| regXboi | russellb!!!! | 18:24 |
| roaet | ihrachys: armax: sorry, stupid question. what/where is devref? | 18:24 |
| regXboi | just the person I was looking for | 18:24 |
| russellb | uh oh | 18:25 |
| russellb | roaet: doc/source/devref | 18:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: the other option is putting the docs in the ovn repo for now and just treating it like networking guide stuff... then move it to the networking guide when ovn becomes a thing | 18:25 |
| ihrachys | roaet: a bit https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/doc/source/devref | 18:25 |
| roaet | russellb: thank you ihrachys thank you | 18:25 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: it's already a thing ... | 18:25 |
| regXboi | russellb: i have a ceilometer/nova question that pertains to patch 204282 :) | 18:25 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: we'd just call it like it is (experimental) | 18:25 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: might as well go ahead and start exposing people to it | 18:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, i see docs in there | 18:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | they just need some love | 18:26 |
| russellb | in networking-ovn? yeah, bits and pieces | 18:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | that was the other thing - exposure of things when docs are not in the docs repo | 18:27 |
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| dougwig | sc68cal: mr ipv6, who's the right person to triage this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1521666 | 18:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521666 in neutron "DHCP agent should release IPv6 leases" [Undecided,New] | 18:27 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: if you want to, i'd be happy to work with you on an ovn docs task list | 18:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | i suppose if people gripe we can add an experimental section or something to the networking guide and link to the networking-ovn repo for docs (in the meantime) | 18:27 |
| russellb | so we know what pieces there are to be filled in | 18:27 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: depends on what the gripe is | 18:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just dont want to put a lot of work into ovn docs in the docs repo only to get into -2 land | 18:28 |
| roaet | ihrachys: any of these files specific to OVO? | 18:28 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: if the gripe is "if OVN is in, everything should be in", you could argue against that based on above | 18:28 |
| roaet | ihrachys: sorry for such basic questions | 18:28 |
| ihrachys | roaet: we need a separate one for the effort, but we have some pieces in qos page | 18:28 |
| regXboi | russellb: way back when, you expressed concerns with ceilometer reaching into to talk to get_instance_diagnostics in nova | 18:28 |
| ihrachys | roaet: since in QoS we already use the objecs | 18:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Remove check on dhcp enabled subnets while scheduling dvr https://review.openstack.org/250075 | 18:29 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: maybe we write a task list / outline and put that up for review somewhere? an update to the spec? | 18:29 |
| regXboi | russellb: based on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067589.html it looks like this integration is still TBD (but now based on notifications rather than polling) | 18:29 |
| regXboi | russellb: have I read the tea leaves correctly? | 18:29 |
| regXboi | :) | 18:29 |
| russellb | regXboi: i have no idea | 18:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: yeah, thats pretty much it. since ovn isnt in the neutron core repo and not a ref arch yet, people will argue it opens the door to document all the things in the networking guide... which leads to a variety of other problems. | 18:29 |
| russellb | most nova context has been paged out of my brain :-p | 18:29 |
| roaet | ihrachys: awesome thank you. I think I have enough to grasp the whole thing now | 18:29 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: it will never be in the neutron repo | 18:30 |
| regXboi | russellb: that's too bad :) | 18:30 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: nothing will ever be | 18:30 |
| ihrachys | roaet: yeah, you can start with learning about existing stuff, that we use for qos. | 18:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: so this is the new way? | 18:30 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: and i'd argue the 'ref arch' shouldn't be either, except it's realistically not practical to split it | 18:30 |
| ihrachys | roaet: neutron/objects/... | 18:30 |
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| ihrachys | roaet: also rpc_callbacks.rst | 18:30 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: if by "this" you mean separate repos, then yeah | 18:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah. i thought the big split was done and ovs/lb stayed in tree | 18:31 |
| russellb | it did | 18:31 |
| russellb | but splitting that isn't terribly practical | 18:31 |
| russellb | there was a spec about it ... | 18:31 |
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| ihrachys | dougwig: ping re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247697/ | 18:32 |
| russellb | or at least nobody is willing to do the work required | 18:32 |
| russellb | vs. other things they could be doing | 18:32 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: can you clarify which *proposal* from armax you mean? | 18:32 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: the one that he talked about in the meeting yesterday, and said he'd email. | 18:32 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: on post merge jobs? | 18:33 |
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| armax | ihrachys: I am putting together a proposal | 18:33 |
| ihrachys | armax: ack, will wait then | 18:33 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: i don't know, i haven't seen the proposal yet. | 18:33 |
| armax | ihrachys: I swear I am sending it | 18:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | russellb: all i want to do is write docs so people can use ovn when it becomes ready :) | 18:33 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: i'm just enforcing a hold until it's in place. | 18:33 |
| ihrachys | I bet you cross your fingers!! | 18:33 |
| armax | if I don’t in the next few hours I authorize people to shame in public | 18:33 |
| dougwig | or something else. | 18:33 |
| armax | I’ll step down as PTL | 18:33 |
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| armax | if I don’t stand true to my word | 18:34 |
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| armax | I mean it | 18:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: what we really need is more contributors to the networking guide | 18:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: but i dont know how to fix these things | 18:34 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: heh, i admire that desire, and i'd like to help. | 18:34 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: ack thanks for that, I somehow missed there was the swearing part | 18:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | right now the networking guide lacks a lot of basic virtual networking content that people need before they dive into implementations | 18:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | just keeping the wheels on the networking guide (and install guide) is a full time job for 1 person | 18:35 |
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| sc68cal | dougwig: we don't test IPv6 stateful - cirros doesn't support it | 18:36 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: | 18:36 |
| ihrachys | sorry... | 18:36 |
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| sc68cal | dougwig: s/IPv6 stateful/DHCPv6 Stateful/g | 18:36 |
| dougwig | sc68cal: can you respond to that bug, indicating won't fix or what needs to happen? | 18:37 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: if i wanted to start outlining the content for ovn docs to help break up the work, where do you think is best? a patch against the spec? maybe just an etherpad? | 18:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | russellb: debating where it makes sense to dive into this discussion. we could go straight to the spec specifically for ovn, or start at the mailing list or docs/netguide meeting to discuss the larger issue (which will come up again someday) | 18:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | a docs ML post with an etherpad may work | 18:40 |
| russellb | ok | 18:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | sometimes the overhead shades the actual work :/ | 18:40 |
| russellb | re: the larger issue, where is the best place to propose a policy? | 18:40 |
| russellb | heh | 18:40 |
| russellb | i'm happy to write a policy, but i don't know where to put it | 18:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the policy would be a docs spec, possibly relating to a neutron spec for what counts as ref archs (or whatever) | 18:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we had a spec a release or two ago that booted third-party stuff except in a few spots. let me find it. | 18:42 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: i don't even know if "ref arch" is an actual documented thing ... it's just used in discussion everywhere | 18:42 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: so are we waiting for something for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251974/ to happen? or does mestery's comment there suggests we should WIP the patch and wait for M1 to cut off? | 18:42 |
| russellb | formalizing it sounds like a nightmare | 18:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/kilo/move-driver-docs.html | 18:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: sounds like the term 'provider network' :) | 18:42 |
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| russellb | mhm | 18:42 |
| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/neutron: HyperV: remove driver from the neutron tree https://review.openstack.org/250363 | 18:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | these are the sorts of problems i want to fix, but they also take me away from writing the docs | 18:43 |
| garyk | armax: HenryG: ^^ | 18:43 |
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| garyk | hyper-v voted and gave its thumbs up. | 18:43 |
| sc68cal | ihrachys: I'd honestly have to check with mestery - sorry in a meeting now | 18:43 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: how about an update to the ovn spec that references this one and justifies while it's still relevant under those guidelines? | 18:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | russellb: do other plug-ins and mechanism use ovs? | 18:44 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: it's complicated. :-) | 18:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeaaaaahhhh | 18:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mmm, dark | 18:45 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: really you need to limit it to "basic virtual networking", as well | 18:45 |
| russellb | otherwise, what about OVS + integration with hardware switches | 18:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | eeeeeooo | 18:46 |
| russellb | or DPDK | 18:46 |
| russellb | or | 18:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, that makes sense "basic virtual networking architectures that do not require additional hardware" | 18:46 |
| russellb | scoping this is messy | 18:46 |
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| russellb | yes | 18:46 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: that + the move-driver-docs limit to "just LB and OVS" | 18:47 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: or "just Neutron + LB or Neutron + OVS, no other projects" | 18:47 |
| russellb | and Neutron + OVN is == Neutron + OVS from a "projects in use" perspective | 18:48 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: anyway, let me write something up for the OVN spec about this to clarify the issue | 18:48 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: it may be the ultra general policy people are looking for, but it can justify this addition more clearly | 18:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | however, one could argue that there are neutron options that dont need extra hardware. like... astara? | 18:50 |
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| russellb | astara is not equivalent, but yeah, in general | 18:50 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: "no hw" isn't limiting enough indeed | 18:50 |
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| russellb | astara is an orchestrator for higher level network services | 18:50 |
| russellb | it doesn't build virtual networks | 18:51 |
| russellb | it spins up service VMs to act as logical routers | 18:51 |
| russellb | but it doesn't manage the virtual L2 networks | 18:51 |
| russellb | AFAIK | 18:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | plumgrid comes to mind too | 18:51 |
| russellb | and midonet | 18:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | eah | 18:51 |
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| russellb | and the 15 others | 18:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/neutron: HyperV: remove driver from the neutron tree https://review.openstack.org/250363 | 18:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 18:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | those are the ones i'm particularly worried about | 18:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if you can capture this all in the existing ovn spec, or introduce a new spec for general docs policy... by all means. | 18:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | russellb: also let me know if you think this needs some ML/meeting/etherpad discussion | 18:56 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: i put it in the queue :) | 18:57 |
| russellb | less of a queue ... more of a heap | 18:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, i can get the ball rolling if you want | 18:57 |
| russellb | or maybe just a pile | 18:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | sooner the better. time is a wasting :) | 18:57 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: i'll do it today | 18:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | armax: does l3ha and l2pop get along in liberty? | 18:57 |
| russellb | just want to review one patch first | 18:57 |
| russellb | in theory | 18:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 18:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | also if its easier for now to organize content in the networking-ovn repo, let me know | 18:59 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: I think they should, I recall a bug along these lines, but amuller_afk would be better placed to answer your question | 18:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, i was looking for him | 18:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | i recall a bug too, but i could have sworn it was fixed | 18:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: ping | 19:00 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: pong | 19:00 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I am thinking about address scopes and vpnaas. | 19:01 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal: will be able to get to upgrades meeting on Mon? | 19:01 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Could you take a look here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212669/14/doc/source/devref/address_scopes.rst | 19:01 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: I won't, so I wonder 1) whether we need one 2) can you lead it? | 19:01 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal: I still need to look at your job results, but that won't happen this week I guess :( | 19:02 |
| pc_m | sure, will do. only casually familiar with address scopes - hope this has more info. :) | 19:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | amuller_afk: ping me when you're alive | 19:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Fix pylint/astroid breakage https://review.openstack.org/251556 | 19:08 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachys: yeah - I can run it - next week's right? | 19:11 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: yes, Mon. thanks, I will try to update the agenda page before I leave for vacation so that you have all updated there. | 19:12 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachys: ok! cool | 19:12 |
| ihrachys | huge thanks | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: have you been tracking the net guide convo in here? | 19:13 |
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| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: sadly no - I plan on reading scrollback later | 19:21 |
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| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: let me read scrollback and hit you up tomorrow morning? | 19:21 |
| russellb | tl;dr - we should probably write down some net guide inclusion criteria | 19:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: sure | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | ^ this | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | and somehow make it not a grenade that converts potential productivity to crufty overhead | 19:24 |
| russellb | and russellb says he'll propose an update to the ovn docs spec that justifies its inclusion | 19:24 |
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| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: ok - and this will address Anne's concerns? | 19:25 |
| sc68cal | or was she just looking for critera, any criteria | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | you never know | 19:26 |
| sc68cal | because that spec she linked yesterday stated just LB and OVS | 19:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | which did she link again? | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | original spec for the net guide? | 19:26 |
| sc68cal | let me pull from history | 19:27 |
| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/kilo/move-driver-docs.html#proposed-change | 19:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh yeah | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | which leads to that argument of "is ovn ovs" | 19:28 |
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| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: yep | 19:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: on a separate topic, there's some gripe in openstack-ansible that arp spoof protection with linuxbridge breaks tempest tests, and was therefore disabled. do our gates test that yet? | 19:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | or is lb gating still a unicorn | 19:31 |
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| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: it's still an experimental job, so how was it breaking tempest tests | 19:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: can you join openstack-ansible | 19:32 |
| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: sure | 19:32 |
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| amuller | Sam-I-Am: hi! | 19:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | amuller: hey! | 19:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | amuller: should l3ha and l2pop work together in liberty? | 19:50 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: indeed, we also backported the fix to Kilo | 19:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats what i thought | 19:50 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I8475548947526d8ea736ed7aa754fd0ca475cae2,n,z | 19:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 19:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the openstack-ansible project is running into issues with l3ha+l2pop (when multiple l3 agents exist) and i could have sworn that was fixed. | 19:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | was it tested in a multinode env? | 19:51 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: yes | 19:51 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: I would still not personally recommend running l3ha with l2pop :( There's significant improvements we still want to do there | 19:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-neutronclient: Reorganize documentation structure https://review.openstack.org/251078 | 19:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok, thx | 19:53 |
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| amuller | regXboi: Swami: about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1521815 | 19:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521815 in neutron "DVR functional tests failing intermittently" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ryan Moats (rmoats) | 19:56 |
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| amuller | regXboi: you're saying there's no failures that took thousands of seconds before yesterday | 19:56 |
| amuller | though I don't see any neutron patches that could explain anything like that merged yesterday | 19:56 |
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| regXboi | amuller: more than that | 19:56 |
| Swami | amuller: ack | 19:56 |
| amuller | perhaps something else changed around that time, like a dependency | 19:56 |
| regXboi | I've narrowed down the time to two hours yesterday | 19:56 |
| regXboi | and I think further to an hour | 19:57 |
| amuller | regXboi: Swami: Anyone successful in reproducing locally? | 19:57 |
| regXboi | I was looking through the neutron logs myself just now | 19:57 |
| regXboi | amuller: not yet | 19:57 |
| Swami | regXboi: No yesterday I was able to see that the functional tests in my system locally was halted and timeout. | 19:57 |
| regXboi | Swami: had you rebuilt infra? | 19:57 |
| amuller | Swami: timeout after how long? those same dvr tests? | 19:58 |
| Swami | regXboi: amuller: I am trying to reproduce it by going back to master and getting rid of one patch at a time. | 19:58 |
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| Swami | regXboi: This is just from the neutron repo, I am trying to run the functional tests. | 19:58 |
| regXboi | Swami: I ran one of my patches that failed locally with an older infra this morning during the net split and it passed | 19:58 |
| regXboi | which is why I'm looking at infra now | 19:58 |
| Swami | amuller: In my setup it was not the dvr tests, but it was related to bridge mapping test. | 19:59 |
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| regXboi | er let me resay that | 19:59 |
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| regXboi | one of the failures with amuller's signature was a patch set of mine. I ran it locally this morning and it passed | 19:59 |
| regXboi | so now I'm thinking infra differences | 20:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | btw, we apparently have a new nodepool at blue box | 20:00 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: if the timestamp matches... | 20:00 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: you aren't implying... | 20:00 |
| amuller | that could start to explain this | 20:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | i know openstack-ansible had issues between rax and hp pools that we had to account for | 20:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | not saying this IS the problem, just something to ponder | 20:01 |
| regXboi | I'm running down when it came on line | 20:02 |
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| regXboi | because it *is* something to ponder | 20:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | brb meeting | 20:02 |
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| amuller | regXboi: thanks that info would be helpful | 20:04 |
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| haleyb | Swami: one thing useful to possibly narrow it down quickly is using git bisect, if you can find a known-good id | 20:06 |
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| Swami | haleyb: sure will do | 20:07 |
| regXboi | amuller: no, the blue box stuff isn't the cause | 20:07 |
| amuller | regXboi: boo | 20:07 |
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| amuller | or moo as Sam-I-Am says | 20:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lol | 20:08 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: I am updating constraints patches, all should be ready today | 20:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas: Added constraints tox targets https://review.openstack.org/250390 | 20:11 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: cool | 20:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Test if OS_TEST_TIMEOUT works at the gate https://review.openstack.org/252589 | 20:12 |
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| amuller | heh Ryu CI votes positively in under a minute | 20:13 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: I still have a concern - mentioned in the review. Not so much on the constraint target itself, but on handling updates to tools, once we go down that route. | 20:13 |
| amuller | pretty impressive! | 20:13 |
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| regXboi | Swami: have you backed out f42ea67 yet? | 20:14 |
| regXboi | that's the only neutron patch that merged in the potential window | 20:14 |
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| Swami | regXboi: not yet, I down one below that. | 20:15 |
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| dougw2 | regXboi: you were welcome to delegate that DVR bug, btw. i just picked you as the point person for all DVR pain. :-) | 20:15 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: I replied there. basically, we should work on proper constraints gating, and fix once something slips in. if/when something is broken, we can always revert it in requirements and it's applied to all jobs immediately | 20:16 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: it is not silver bullet, and we will need to work on gate for requirements repo to make it more safe than what we have now | 20:16 |
| regXboi | dougw2: understood and I may yet do that | 20:17 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: good news is neutron is one of the first to consume the new approach, so we will probably define the gate on first stage | 20:17 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: not sure I'm liking that approach. Issue I have is that there will be a period where things are broken, from when upper-constraints is updated in requirements repo, until ALL projects update code to work with change. | 20:17 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: how is it different from what we have right now? | 20:18 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: I'm seriously concerned about us heading down a path where we'll get wedged. | 20:18 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Right now, we use *only* global reguirements. It can update the version, and then each project can update code and version, one at a time as needed. | 20:19 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: the idea is that projects are notified in advance when they are going to be broken by next update to constraints, and we'll work on getting it fixed for both old and new. | 20:19 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: You're assuming changes being made will be back-ward compatible. I've seen one case already where that is NOT the case. | 20:20 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: hence we could get wedged. | 20:20 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: pylint? that one would be just banned from happening until upstream fixes their releases | 20:20 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: yes pylint. | 20:21 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: it's the issue in pylint upstream release process, not in openstack, so we report a bug and block the bump until it's resolved | 20:21 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Not following your point. | 20:21 |
| ihrachys | actually the same we did in the end, just in another way. | 20:21 |
| dougw2 | or just turn off pylint for a few days. it's far from a critical gate. | 20:21 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: pylint will need to fix their incompatibility issues their side, then we'll consume from them | 20:21 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: that's what we did with setting < in global reqs. same story. | 20:22 |
| pc_m | dougw2: ihrachys: I don't think you are getting my point. It's not about an issue between pylint and its dependencies. | 20:22 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Let me try to explain my point... | 20:22 |
| pc_m | We're at pylint 1.4.4. If we want to move to pylint 1.5.0, each project will need to rework their code (some quite a bit) to handle the new pylint errors/warnings. | 20:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Added constraints tox targets https://review.openstack.org/250406 | 20:23 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: no. it's easy to disable specific checks in the whole tree | 20:23 |
| pc_m | We can't do that in advance of the update, because some of the changes are not backward compatible with 1.4.4. | 20:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Added constraints tox targets https://review.openstack.org/250406 | 20:24 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: I already replied: we don't need those changes, we can ban the check in the tree. | 20:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Notify about port create/update unconditionally https://review.openstack.org/251718 | 20:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Remove check on dhcp enabled subnets while scheduling dvr https://review.openstack.org/250075 | 20:24 |
| ihrachys | then allow version to bump | 20:24 |
| ihrachys | THEN decide whether we want to enable the check | 20:25 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: So we have to ignore warnings, update to 1.5.0, fix warnings, and re-enable. I guess that would work - pretty round about way, as compared to what we have today. | 20:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas: Added constraints tox targets https://review.openstack.org/250390 | 20:26 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: so what do we have today? eventually we will still need to bump pylint version, and I would expect it to go in a separate patch from adopting the new checks anyway. | 20:26 |
| dougw2 | or kill pylint, file a bug for someone to address offline, then re-enable. this isn't a NASA critical gate job we're talking about here, so I don't think it needs heroic measures. IMO. | 20:26 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: the problem with how we manage deps is not that we need to adopt, but that we don't get notification in advance, and are forced to fix the issues not in our schedule | 20:27 |
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| ihrachys | ok I updated all the patches, hopefully they will work fine now: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I699022b285594edf3c5db10fbdac2f904dc42928,n,z | 20:28 |
| pc_m | dougw2: That would easier, than committing disables, committing 1.5.0, committing changes and enable. | 20:28 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/250564 | 20:28 |
| ihrachys | note that after that we should do some infra magic to make them in gate, and then validate for a while, then flip the switch, then remove old jobs. | 20:29 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/251656 | 20:29 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: if that's easier, I don't see a reason not to do it. but that's not always the simple case of pep8 checks that you can ignore for a while | 20:29 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: actually the next step could be maintaining the constraints file locally in neutron tree, that would solve your concerns. | 20:30 |
| regXboi | Swami: I don't think you'll find the issue - I'm seeing jobs that pass those tests, so it's not something that is consistent | 20:30 |
| Swami | regXboi: yes I do agree. | 20:30 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: so having a bot proposing updates every so often, and gate on it locally. | 20:30 |
| Swami | regXboi: I have seen different tests fail at different times. | 20:30 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: yeah, that was what I was thinking, but it requires, as you say, committing change to requirements and code together. | 20:31 |
| dougw2 | have we asked the infra/constraints implementors for input on this topic? since they're doing this openstack-wide, i'd expect them to deal with this kind of thing. | 20:31 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: not following | 20:31 |
| Swami | regXboi: but at least we should be able to find out the patch before and after that caused this problem, if it is in neutron repo. | 20:31 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: if a local constraints update fails for neutron, fine, you go and fix it your time (not fire drill mode), then merge the update to the file. | 20:32 |
| ihrachys | dougw2: I will try to follow up with Sachi | 20:32 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: re: locally maintaining constraints file. I was thinking of that, but you made the point that we want to do them sepatately. | 20:32 |
| regXboi | Swami: hopefully, but I'm not convinced :( | 20:32 |
| ihrachys | dougw2: anyway what is proposed now is already a bit better, and we may iterate with local constraints idea. | 20:32 |
| Swami | regXboi: so what would be the right thing to do . | 20:32 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: define 'them' | 20:32 |
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| pc_m | dougw2: Last I knew, lifeless had said that this was something that has been pushed off, but should be addressed. | 20:33 |
| regXboi | Swami: keep going with where you are going | 20:33 |
| regXboi | I'll chase other possibilities | 20:33 |
| Swami | regXboi: ok will do | 20:33 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: them = the change to local requirements and to the code for the new pylint version. | 20:33 |
| lifeless | hi | 20:34 |
| lifeless | sup ? | 20:34 |
| dougw2 | ihrachys, mestery: are you checking octavia for stable reviews? or do you want a different stable team on that project? | 20:34 |
| pc_m | lifeless: we were discussing how to handle version updates for pylint in the future. | 20:34 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: so we were wondering if we considered to maintain per project constraints file in project trees so that we don't get global breakage on version bumps | 20:34 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: constraints have to be centralised otherwise we deadlock on tricky updates | 20:35 |
| ihrachys | dougw2: it should be discussed in scope of armax email for stadium thing | 20:35 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: and don't actually deliver co-installability | 20:35 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: pylint(like other linters) is already blacklisted from upper-constraints.txt | 20:35 |
| dougw2 | ihrachys: ok, thanks. | 20:35 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: it would be interesting to see tricky scenarios | 20:36 |
| pc_m | lifeless: so, case in point. If we want to go from pylint 1.4.4 to 1.5.0, how do we do that, without breaking things... | 20:36 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: we gate changes to upper-constraints, so we should never have global breakage (if we do, the gate checks are broken) | 20:36 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: so we are ok with bumping a version and breaking the world? | 20:36 |
| pc_m | lifeless: given the changes needed for 1.5.0 may not work on 1.4.4? | 20:36 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: no, if it breaks the world it fails CI | 20:36 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: well, not the world but 'some projects' | 20:36 |
| lifeless | so hang on | 20:36 |
| lifeless | are we talking about constraints | 20:36 |
| lifeless | or about pylint ? | 20:36 |
| lifeless | because the answers are totally different | 20:36 |
| pc_m | lifeless: pylint as an example of update. | 20:36 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: well, let's abstract from pylint because you do some weird stuff for linters. | 20:37 |
| lifeless | they are disconnected | 20:37 |
| lifeless | you cannot use one as an examplef for the other | 20:37 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: no, let's take another example, they special case for pylint | 20:37 |
| pc_m | lifeless: but applies to constraints because of astroid | 20:37 |
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| lifeless | pc_m: because astroid has an API break, which they've said they will release a pylint 1.4.5 for | 20:37 |
| lifeless | pc_m: once they do that we can unpin astroid and its all easy again | 20:37 |
| pc_m | lifeless: still pressing on pylint because... | 20:38 |
| lifeless | and in fact they say they've done it | 20:38 |
| pc_m | lifeless: let's say we are at pylint 1.4.5 and astroid 1.3.8 and want to go to pylint 1.5.0 and astroid 1.4.1. | 20:38 |
| lifeless | pc_m: then we update pylint in requirements, and then you sync it out on a per project basis | 20:38 |
| lifeless | ignore astroid | 20:38 |
| lifeless | its irrelevant now | 20:39 |
| pc_m | lifeless: But when pep8-constraints runs, won't it become relevant? | 20:39 |
| pc_m | or am I missing something. | 20:39 |
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| lifeless | sec | 20:40 |
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| pc_m | lifeless: Won't pep8-constraints use upper-constraints file, causing an issue here? | 20:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Nate Johnston proposed openstack/neutron: WIP: DSCP QoS rule implementation https://review.openstack.org/251738 | 20:40 |
| lifeless | ok, I see what you're saying | 20:41 |
| lifeless | so | 20:41 |
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| lifeless | pragmatically we may need to blacklist astroid as well | 20:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Slawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/neutron: Add extension_manager and support for extensions in linuxbridge agent https://review.openstack.org/250542 | 20:41 |
| lifeless | I think more generally that entirely project-local things like lint probably need to be locally defined | 20:41 |
| lifeless | but we don't have a workflow for that yet | 20:41 |
| lifeless | (even before constraints we didn't) | 20:42 |
| ihrachys | dougw2: speaking of how we disabled pylint. I don't like the approach unless you follow up on it to re-enable it. it's always very easy to drop stuff during drill time, and it's justified sometimes, but we need to make sure we get back to it. | 20:42 |
| lifeless | so I think thats a thing we should do a spec on | 20:42 |
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| pc_m | lifeless: My concern is from us attempting to adopt constraints for *aas and I want to make sure we don't wedge ourselves doing an update. | 20:43 |
| pc_m | lifeless: Seems like some options are... | 20:44 |
| lifeless | pc_m: well right now you can't use pylint 1.5 anyway | 20:44 |
| pc_m | 1) make upper-constraints file project local | 20:44 |
| lifeless | pc_m: so I don't understand this concern | 20:44 |
| dougw2 | ihrachys: right, hence filing a bug. | 20:44 |
| pc_m | 2) temp turn off pylint, until update code | 20:44 |
| lifeless | pc_m: g-r specifies pylint 1.4.4 and only 1.4.4 | 20:44 |
| pc_m | 3) something else. | 20:44 |
| dougw2 | ihrachys: i do not like to leave the world burning. it blocks 30+ devs for what should be a post-it note somewhere. | 20:44 |
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| lifeless | pc_m: we don't need to talk about constraints to have that issue | 20:45 |
| ihrachys | dougw2: oh cool. haven't seen the bug mentioned in patches that disabled it. | 20:45 |
| pc_m | lifeless: I'm just trying to look to the future... would like to avoid the mess we just went through... | 20:45 |
| dougw2 | ihrachys: oh, good point. we immediately had someone working on a follow-up, but let me file anyway as good practice. | 20:45 |
| pc_m | dougw2: I did do a bug about pylint and mentioned LB | 20:46 |
| pc_m | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1521766 | 20:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521766 in neutron "pylint breakage in neutron and neutron-vpnaas" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Paul Michali (pcm) | 20:47 |
| pc_m | Most of the commits were reviewed before this was created. :( | 20:47 |
| lifeless | pc_m: sure, but I don't understand | 20:47 |
| lifeless | pc_m: right now, pylint is pinned | 20:47 |
| lifeless | pc_m: the fire drill resulted because upstream broke us and aas were *not* constrained | 20:48 |
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| pc_m | lifeless: Was thinking of the future, and how we handle if/when pylint is updated. | 20:48 |
| * pc_m hoping to be a pro-active worrywart :) | 20:48 | |
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| dougw2 | ihrachys: bug filed and assigned. | 20:48 |
| * ihrachys bows | 20:49 | |
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| pc_m | lifeless: understood. In light of the move to constraints, that ihrachys is doing right now, I wanted to have a warm fuzzy that we won't have problems updating things later. | 20:49 |
| pc_m | lifeless: Maybe I'm worrying unnecessarily? | 20:50 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: we will have problems, that's for sure. maybe not as painful as now, on average. | 20:50 |
| lifeless | pc_m: we won't have firedrills | 20:50 |
| lifeless | pc_m: we may have to do N step dances | 20:51 |
| ihrachys | though some scenarios may be indeed painful. I still would like to see some detailed rationale on why not keeping constraints locally. | 20:51 |
| lifeless | pc_m: and I think a spec to revisit how we manage tree-local / dev-only dependencies is a good idea | 20:51 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: its in the requirements-management spec from liberty | 20:51 |
| ihrachys | ok I am heading for wisdom | 20:51 |
| ihrachys | it's openstack-specs? | 20:51 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: but the tl;dr is that deployments are cross-project, so constraints that specify a known-good set of versions are also cross-project and centralised | 20:52 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: yes | 20:52 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: | 20:52 |
| lifeless | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/requirements-management.html | 20:52 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: ping | 20:52 |
| mlavalle | pong | 20:53 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: pong | 20:53 |
| lifeless | we haven't done some of the detail in that spec yet | 20:53 |
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| lifeless | like loosening the sync process to just require compatibility | 20:53 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: can you take a look at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-December/009042.html | 20:53 |
| lifeless | dims: ^ FYI that code you've been hacking on... | 20:53 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: based on the work you've done, it's still not possible to having different suffixes per subnet/port/whatever, right? | 20:54 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: yours was just to set the hostname, or am i misunderstanding? | 20:54 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: hmm, theres less exposition there than I remember.. maybe its in g-r | 20:54 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: all I see is 'Encourage convergence/maintain co-installability' | 20:54 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: what's Sachi nick btw? | 20:56 |
| lifeless | Nakato: | 20:56 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/252614 <- pylint 1.4.5 | 20:56 |
| ihrachys | ah right. I always forget those original nicknames :( | 20:56 |
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| pc_m | lifeless: sweet! | 20:57 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: so seems like constraints patches now pass the gate. | 20:58 |
| ihrachys | (still no votes in gerrit, just checked in zuul) | 20:58 |
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| ihrachys | dougw2: armax: please check constraints patches for *aas when you have time (and don't tell me it's 'never'!): https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I699022b285594edf3c5db10fbdac2f904dc42928,n,z | 20:59 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: right now I am working on debbuging my next change, which is the integration with Designate (external DNS). I am leveraging my previous effort, so I have an example handy: http://paste.openstack.org/show/480676/ | 20:59 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: I'll tryt o look today, or early AM tomorrow - it's getting late. | 21:00 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: thanks! | 21:00 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Will do VPN now, as I can +2 that. | 21:00 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: in a nutshell, it shows what I already merged. that dns_assignment get pushed to the agent now | 21:00 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: makes sense! | 21:00 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: makes sende? | 21:00 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: yeah. hint: to validate it works as expected, you can generate both envs, then compare pip freeze from inside of them. | 21:01 |
| ihrachys | the one from -constraints should reflect what's in upper-constraints.txt | 21:01 |
| ihrachys | I did it locally, seems to work | 21:01 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: in that example, I changed the global neutron domain to 'my-domain.org.' | 21:02 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: What are your thoughts about mapping pep8 to do same as pep8-constraints in tox.ini, like I proposed for neutron? | 21:03 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: you mean before/after idea? | 21:04 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: makes sense | 21:04 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: As it is now, pep8 and pep8-constraints could have different dependencies. | 21:04 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: once we implement constraints. | 21:04 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: :-) | 21:04 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: so that operator won't be able to set different suffixes then, right | 21:04 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: oh that one... I think we should talk to Nakato and lifeless | 21:04 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: the my-domain.org is basically a global setting | 21:04 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: correct | 21:05 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: so pc_m suggested we may want to make pep8 and pep8-constraints identical in tox, so that devs don't need to learn new CLI, and so that they run what's in gate. any obstacles? | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: i will suggest for him to file an RFE then since it's basically orthoganal to your work. | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | stepping out for a bit | 21:06 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: for the Neutron internal dns, that is correct. When we go to the external dns, then you can have many domains assigned | 21:06 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: that is the next step I will merge (in the next 2 or 3 weeks hopefully) :-) | 21:06 |
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| kevinbenton | mlavalle: so with designate, does it let you set these suffixes then/ | 21:07 |
| pc_m | lifeless: Nakato: ihrachys: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252072/ | 21:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Remove pylint from the default list of tox targets https://review.openstack.org/252619 | 21:07 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: sorry, I got disconnected | 21:07 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: oh, i just asked if with designate instead of neutron internal resolution if what he wants is possible | 21:08 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: yeah, that one. so I don't have immediate 'no' answer, but I am not informed enough to consider 'yes' either. we should talk to constraints folks. | 21:08 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: anyhow the thing is that if you have per-project constraints, devstack can't ever work | 21:11 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: because if they're not the same, when you install say nova then neutron, you change other versions of common dependencies | 21:11 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: ah right. that's a good argument. | 21:12 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: and if haven't tested the same version, you get all those little random breakages that we *don't have anymore* | 21:12 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: this is an example of the functionality I am debuging right now: http://paste.openstack.org/show/480678/ | 21:12 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: as you can see you can define the dns domain and dns name at the fip level. Your fip gets published to the external dns service under that domain and name | 21:13 |
| regXboi | amuller: the answer on 252589 is that it doesn't | 21:13 |
| regXboi | amuller: see https://jenkins05.openstack.org/job/gate-neutron-dsvm-functional/3464/consoleFull | 21:13 |
| regXboi | amuller: specifically this line "2015-12-02 21:11:54.005 | 2015-12-02 21:11:54.012 | {0} neutron.tests.functional.agent.l3.test_dvr_router.TestDvrRouter.test_dvr_router_fip_late_binding [2711.989928s] ... ok" | 21:14 |
| amuller | man wtf | 21:14 |
| regXboi | I completely agree :) | 21:14 |
| amuller | regXboi: ok, it is failing other tests | 21:14 |
| amuller | just not those | 21:14 |
| regXboi | amuller: yes, so it's not universal | 21:14 |
| regXboi | amuller: which is .... suboptimal | 21:15 |
| regXboi | and .... annoying | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: ack | 21:15 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: you can do something similar with ports. A port can have a dns_name assigned to it and its network a dns_domain. If the networks is visible outside, the data also gets pushed to the external dns service with A, AAAA and PTR records | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: makes sense | 21:16 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: son as long as the domains are valid and preperly set in designate, you can have as many suffixes as you want (tryingto go back to your question | 21:17 |
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| amuller | regXboi: oh I just noticed that took took 2711 seconds then passed lol | 21:18 |
| amuller | regXboi: that's even weirder | 21:18 |
| regXboi | amuller: yes | 21:18 |
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| regXboi | amuller: and in your cited links in the bug, I found other examples | 21:19 |
| regXboi | amuller: so it's not at all consistent | 21:19 |
| amuller | regXboi: there's nothing special about the dvr test class setup, it does setup the timeout fixtures | 21:19 |
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| amuller | I guess sometimes that fixture doesn't work | 21:19 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: cool. thanks for the info! | 21:19 |
| regXboi | amuller: ack - yes - but I'm still rather stumped as to the root cause | 21:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Ryan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: Add explicit address family to AddressScope https://review.openstack.org/233317 | 21:19 |
| ihrachys | amuller: so per test limit not working? I saw functional tests taking 2h+ these days :-| | 21:20 |
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| amuller | ihrachys: it's working, apart from specific dvr functional tests | 21:20 |
| amuller | ihrachys: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252589/ | 21:20 |
| amuller | I changed the global timeout to a few seconds | 21:20 |
| amuller | and it works | 21:20 |
| amuller | ... apart from some dvr tests... | 21:20 |
| amuller | that can take thousands of seconds then either pass (!) or fail | 21:20 |
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| amuller | ihrachys: regXboi: This means that something in those DVR tests is spawning a process that is hanging, and fixtures.Timeout doesn't work in that case (from https://pypi.python.org/pypi/fixtures docs) | 21:22 |
| ihrachys | amuller: where can I see the logs? | 21:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-neutronclient: Trivial: Fix a typo in class ListCommand https://review.openstack.org/251055 | 21:22 |
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| amuller | the fixtures Timeout can only work if there's Python code running | 21:22 |
| amuller | ihrachys: https://jenkins05.openstack.org/job/gate-neutron-dsvm-functional/3464/consoleFull | 21:23 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: on the constraints stuff. | 21:23 |
| ihrachys | amuller: so the process should block operation? | 21:23 |
| amuller | ihrachys: and the bug report has console outputs of finished runs with the default global test timeout | 21:23 |
| * regXboi reads | 21:23 | |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Something looks wrong...or I'm tired. | 21:23 |
| ihrachys | amuller: how do you determine what hangs there? | 21:23 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: tell me. or have a rest. | 21:23 |
| amuller | ihrachys: I don't, I'm just writing down a scenario that must have happened to satisfy a test running over 180 seconds | 21:24 |
| regXboi | ihrachys: in that log, search for TestDvrRouter | 21:24 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: I did pep8 and did pip freeze, when I look at packages, the versions match what are in upper-constraints. | 21:24 |
| regXboi | you'll find a test that passes in over 2000 seconds | 21:24 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: all of them, or most? | 21:25 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: most versions should indeed be the same | 21:25 |
| Swami | regXboi: in your setup, what happens if you just run the "dvr" functional tests, are you getting the same results. | 21:25 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: since we move versions quite oftne | 21:25 |
| regXboi | Swami: they all pass | 21:25 |
| regXboi | Swami: in reasonable time | 21:25 |
| pc_m | Did a diff of packages between pep8 and pep8-constraints. | 21:25 |
| regXboi | amuller: are you implying rootwrap daemon is having issues? | 21:26 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: When I checked the diffs, the versions in pep8 match upper-constraints. | 21:26 |
| amuller | regXboi: could be any non-python process | 21:26 |
| Swami | the issue is when we run the complete suit, is when the dvr tests are delayed. | 21:26 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: I'm confused. | 21:26 |
| regXboi | Swami: i can spin a full suite, but it will take a while | 21:27 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: probably. so when you compare two freezes, aren't they different? | 21:27 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: yes | 21:27 |
| Swami | regXboi: thanks | 21:27 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: but, the packages that are different, all the ones in pep8 freeze match what is in upper-constraints.txt | 21:28 |
| ihrachys | amuller: so it would be enough to call to agent.utils.execute() and that would defeat the timeout? | 21:28 |
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| regXboi | Swami: I may not have an answer before tomorrow | 21:28 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: not sure where the other ones come from. | 21:28 |
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| regXboi | Swami: but things are running now | 21:28 |
| Swami | regXboi: no problem, I was just checking it out if you have already compared the full suit versus the dvr only tests. | 21:28 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: it's weird. in my case it's constraints deps that are more old, and it seems in your case it's different? | 21:28 |
| amuller | ihrachys: That may be true | 21:28 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: http://paste.openstack.org/show/480682/ | 21:28 |
| regXboi | Swami: I *thought* I had, but I don't see the results locally, so I'm running it again | 21:29 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: seems legit? | 21:29 |
| roaet | ihrachys: hey! the OVO stuff: were you targetting mitaka or N... or further? | 21:29 |
| ihrachys | roaet: we target asap aka 'everyone is busy with other stuff, but we try hard' | 21:29 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: So pep8 has never versions, but they match what is in upper-constraints.txt | 21:29 |
| roaet | ihrachys: haha yup. just checking :) | 21:30 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: lemme check that | 21:30 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Shouldn't the packages in pep8-constraints match what is in upper-constraints.txt? | 21:30 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: enum34==1.1.1 for pep8, and that is what is in upper-constraints.txt | 21:30 |
| pc_m | ditto on other ones. | 21:30 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: you seem right. | 21:31 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Where do the other ones come from? | 21:31 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: so how is it possible that if I use upper constraints file during pip install, I get versions that are different from what is in requirements repo upper constraints file?.. | 21:33 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: I think I see issue. | 21:34 |
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| pc_m | Need == in if clause of shell. Commented in review. | 21:35 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: is that happening? | 21:35 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: no. it's shell, it has single = in test tool aka [ | 21:36 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: for what I experience in *aas repos | 21:36 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: ass isn't using constraints yet though is it? because of the replacement install_command issue you were working on | 21:37 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: yeah, but I updated the patches now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250406/3/tox.ini | 21:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-neutronclient: Remove py26 support https://review.openstack.org/252278 | 21:38 |
| regXboi | Swami: this looks like it's going to pass - the longest test I've seen run so far is one of the upgade tests which took 150 seconds | 21:38 |
| regXboi | yep - it passed | 21:38 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Ah. was thinking bash. In any case seems reversed. | 21:38 |
| regXboi | Swami: longest test was neutron.tests.functional.db.test_migrations.TestModelsMigrationsMysql.test_models_sync at 133.768s | 21:38 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: why? you mean the result of the logic in the code? | 21:38 |
| ihrachys | s/of/or | 21:39 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: ugh - I thought the plan was to delete tox_install.sh ? | 21:39 |
| ihrachys | amuller: do we have specific log for a test that hanged as we collect per test? | 21:39 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Seems like installed packages are reversed. | 21:39 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: well it's easier to make it that way instead of setting a pile of new infra jobs and play with it | 21:40 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: you mean constrained in pep8 and unconstrained in pep8-constraints? yes. | 21:40 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: anyhow, whats the concrete thing you are seeing ? | 21:41 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: my first reaction is that you'er running a pip install without -c somewhere | 21:41 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: I think so... but not sure, as I don't know the source of versions for unconstrained. | 21:41 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: I see that with the patch, when I execute pep8 I get deps from constraints, and when I execute pep8-constraints, I don't know what I get but it's not in upper constraints AND not latest | 21:44 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: Checking in antoher VM with latest VPN on master | 21:44 |
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| amuller | ihrachys: we don't have logs for these failures. The tests that are hanging are doing so for thousands of seconds, and the global timeout for the job kills everything aggressively so we don't get logs | 21:45 |
| amuller | ihrachys: fun eh :) | 21:46 |
| ihrachys | amuller: oh right. meh. | 21:46 |
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| ihrachys | amuller: do we have time known when it started to hit? | 21:46 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: when I respin constraints target, I see that in the output: | 21:48 |
| ihrachys | pep8-constraints installdeps: -r/home/vagrant/git/neutron-vpnaas/requirements.txt, -r/home/vagrant/git/neutron-vpnaas/test-requirements.txt | 21:48 |
| ihrachys | does it suggest we install from requirements without constraining? | 21:48 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: I ran with master, and the versions seem to be the same as in upper-constraints (for the few I checked). Questions are 1) when doing pep8, where are the versions defined, and 2) when doing pep8-constraints, why don't they match upper-constraints.txt | 21:48 |
| lifeless | yes | 21:48 |
| amuller | ihrachys: yeah regXboi narrowed it down to a specific hour yesterday | 21:48 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: perhaps | 21:48 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: check the tox logs more closely | 21:48 |
| ihrachys | amuller: so how about starting to revert stuff that seems relevant and merged around that time? | 21:48 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: like, whats the install_command there | 21:49 |
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| amuller | ihrachys: cause nothing merged to Neutron that seems even remotely relevant | 21:49 |
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| regXboi | ihrachys: and it's not a 100% hard failure | 21:50 |
| regXboi | amuller: although - the lb, dvr, and mv-dvr jobs are all going off to insanity in the same time frame | 21:51 |
| amuller | one guess would be a platform dependency change that happened yesterday. New package version of... something | 21:52 |
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| regXboi | amuller: could be - I just looked at the other jobs to see if something else was being impacted | 21:53 |
| ihrachys | amuller: there are apt logs in console.html, that could be compared | 21:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Add native of_interface fullstack tests https://review.openstack.org/216991 | 21:56 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: you mean under .tox/pep8-constraints/log/ ? | 21:56 |
| lifeless | yeah | 21:57 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: I see cmdargs there only, if that's what we would ned | 21:57 |
| ihrachys | *need | 21:57 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: is that still using install_tox.sh ? | 21:57 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: yes. | 21:57 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: does it call pip, does it use -c ? | 21:57 |
| ihrachys | and for what I wonder, it calls proper args | 21:57 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: it should call it inside the script, but there is no output from the script in those logs. | 21:58 |
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| regXboi | Swami, amuller, ihrachys: I have to go do the domestic thing for a while - I'll check the defect and eavesdrop once I'm done | 21:58 |
| ihrachys | regXboi: slacker! :D | 21:58 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: how can I reproduce this? | 21:58 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: fetch the patch, run tox -e pep8-constraints, check the pip freeze | 21:59 |
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| lifeless | whats the patch? what repo? | 21:59 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250406/3 neutron-vpnaas | 21:59 |
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| ihrachys | ok I see the output of the tox install script, it's in /tmp/tox_install.sh | 22:00 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: hm, now I see enum34==1.1.1 installed in constraints | 22:02 |
| ihrachys | :-| | 22:03 |
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| ihrachys | respinning the envs again to make sure I am not mixing some things here | 22:03 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: argh | 22:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/neutron: Hyper-V: remove driver from the neutron tree https://review.openstack.org/250363 | 22:04 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: now the only diff I see is pycadf 2.0.0 vs 2.0.1 | 22:06 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m: and it's as per upper constraints | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | wtf | 22:07 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: that exec > /tmp/tox_install.txt 2>&1 | 22:07 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: is unsafe in concurent use, you shouldn't do it | 22:07 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: tox takes care of hiding logs itself | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: I will try to kill it. it also hides output | 22:07 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: It would really be a lot better to just fix this | 22:08 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: I realise infra changes are needed | 22:08 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: but this indirection makes the stadium stuff awkward and different to everything | 22:08 |
| dougwig | lifeless: that exec was commented out, and not meant for regular use. i wonder how it got uncommented. | 22:08 |
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| ihrachys | dougwig: I will kill it | 22:09 |
| dougwig | it's there because tox_install.sh stdout/stderr gets eaten by tox, so the only way to see it is to redirect. but it shouldn't be there all the time. | 22:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: tox_install.sh: don't hide output from tox logs https://review.openstack.org/252654 | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: if you want to see it, you check tox logs | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: inside the venv | 22:10 |
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| ihrachys | dougwig: it was enabled in vpnaas only | 22:11 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: EWith pep8, install does -U -e /opt/stack/neutron-vpnaas | 22:11 |
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| dougwig | ihrachys: ahh, didn't know that. cool. | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: as part of 'Support for VPN functional tests on Neutron commits' | 22:12 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: With pep8-constraints, install does -chttps://.... -U --no-deps -e /opt/stack/neutron-vpnaas | 22:12 |
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| lifeless | dougwig: tox writes it to a log file | 22:14 |
| lifeless | dougwig: you can always get that log file | 22:14 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: the only issue i had with your constraints review is that we went to a lot of trouble to avoid referencing remote git url's, and you added another. and that file almost certainly exists locally for dsvm nodes. | 22:14 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: dougwig: it does; the job definitions in infra set the variable; (and again, lets fix this -right- ) | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: oh right! | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: I should restore that, I completely forgot about that | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: that was for local testing mostly :) | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: but we indeed must use what is passed in gate | 22:15 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: what difference should I be looking for in the freeze output ? | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: it was similar to http://paste.openstack.org/show/480682/ to me | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: but note that for late respins I don't see that output, and the output I get seems correct | 22:17 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: I don't understand what you are diffing there | 22:17 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: the neutron pep8-constrained job? | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: pip freeze outputs from inside the venvs | 22:17 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: sure, but one side is neutrin-vpnaas pep8-constrainted | 22:18 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: whats the other side? | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: the other vpnaas unconstrainted | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | pep8 | 22:18 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: oh, so they should be different | 22:18 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: why wouldn't they be? | 22:19 |
| ihrachys | they should, the point is that the versions in constraints pip freeze were not the same as in upper constraints file in requirements rep | 22:19 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: for what packages? | 22:19 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: Did you see my note above of the install command? | 22:20 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: ah, so keystoneauth1 is indeed different | 22:20 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: yeah though I don't get the results locally. or I look wrong direction | 22:21 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: I did another run of pep8-constraints target and I removed {opts} from tox.ini so that the --no-deps option was not specified. Doing that, I get different package versions | 22:21 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: Now, pep8 == pep8-constraints, except for pycadf package | 22:22 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: My guess is that the --no-deps option is interfering | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: maybe. I hope lifeless will have a clue on what's going on and why it's not consistent. | 22:23 |
| lifeless | just rerunning without that exec | 22:23 |
| lifeless | since there are two pip runs | 22:24 |
| lifeless | it destroys evidence on the first one | 22:24 |
| pc_m | I think --no-deps is the issue. | 22:24 |
| pc_m | I've got to go, but look at the install command output I mentioned (can see in /tmp/tox_install.sh) | 22:25 |
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| lifeless | develop-instgets it wrong | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: ping | 22:26 |
| carl_baldwin | pong | 22:26 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: pong | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: do we have any special topics for tomorrow? | 22:26 |
| lifeless | pc_m: I'm not sure thre is an issue | 22:26 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: fun with the envvar: we hit that old tox 2.2.0+ issue with recursive variables | 22:26 |
| lifeless | keystoneauth1 now says 2.0.0 in git | 22:26 |
| lifeless | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/plain/upper-constraints.txt | 22:26 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: that would work if we would calculate it inside e.g. install_command as we do in neutron tree. but not for setenv | 22:27 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I don't. | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: ok, I will update the agenda accordingly. talk to you tomorrow | 22:27 |
| pc_m | ihrachys: I'll ping you tomorrow for the td;lr. Gotta sign off... | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | pc_m: ack | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: so it's just changes in flight that we thought showed difference from what is in upper constraints? | 22:28 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: so what is stopping removal of tox_install.sh? | 22:28 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: the need to set a bunch of infra stuff to get rid of it? | 22:28 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: so, 99% of CI changes need that | 22:29 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: and none of them should be deep | 22:29 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: what I'm getting at is that tox_install.sh is a liability today | 22:29 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: we should fix the bug | 22:29 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: it may sound easy for you, but not for me. | 22:29 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: ok, so lets step through it | 22:29 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: first, what specific infra bits do you need set? | 22:30 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: I suspect it would involve getting new jobs that would pre install proper neutron for us; then there is a question on how we run it locally when it's not set for us in gate. | 22:31 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: we use setenv ? | 22:32 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: just like we do for constraints | 22:32 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks, talk to you tomorrow. | 22:33 |
| lifeless | (or the inline syntax) | 22:33 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: deps = {env:TEST_NEUTRON:git+https://git.openstack.org/....} | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: ok that part is clear. it's still a bunch of new jobs and friends. | 22:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Model changes to support routed network groups https://review.openstack.org/225384 | 22:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Salvatore Orlando proposed openstack/neutron: Pecan: fix quota management https://review.openstack.org/234466 | 22:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Salvatore Orlando proposed openstack/neutron: Pecan: Fixes and tests for the policy enforcement hook https://review.openstack.org/234457 | 22:36 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: I don't understand why its new jobs ? | 22:36 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: because we would need to run zuul-cloner somewhere, and that probably does not belong to existing jobs that are set from the same common macro? | 22:37 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: we already run zuul-cloner on those jobs | 22:39 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: zuul-git-prep-upper-constraints | 22:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Added constraints tox targets https://review.openstack.org/250406 | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: yeah, but for what? neutron? | 22:40 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: we need to find a way to tweak the clonemap is all | 22:40 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: for all -constraints jobs | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: dougwig: ^ another version that should probably allow us to set the constraints file from gate | 22:41 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: and the goal is to get rid of the non constrainted ones, right ? | 22:41 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: yea, eventually. for neutron we don't have them. | 22:41 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: right, but this work is about getting them... | 22:41 |
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| lifeless | ihrachys: so we can assume we have them for it | 22:41 |
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| lifeless | (or am I confused ?) | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: no, I mean non-constrained jobs, we don't have them in gate | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: in neutron core gate, not *aas | 22:42 |
| lifeless | right, -core has migrated | 22:44 |
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| lifeless | aas hasn't | 22:44 |
| lifeless | we want aas to migrate | 22:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Added constraints tox targets https://review.openstack.org/250406 | 22:45 |
| lifeless | to migrate they need constraints by definition, and constraints already zuul-clone | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: zuul clone WHAT? | 22:45 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: the -constraints job template in project-config invokes zuul-cloner | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | they do it for requirements I guess, so that's common to all jobs. | 22:46 |
| lifeless | jenkins/jobs/macros.yaml line 48 | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | but neutron fetching from git is not something you want in all jobs | 22:46 |
| lifeless | it clones $ZUUL_PROJECT and openstack/requirements | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | right | 22:46 |
| lifeless | all we need is a parameter to pass down to expand the clonemap | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | so we would need a new set of neutron stadium macros that would do the thing | 22:46 |
| lifeless | are there stadium macros already? | 22:46 |
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| ihrachys | no, but that's what I would expect if we want to get rid of tox_install.sh | 22:47 |
| ihrachys | something that you would have just for neutron stuff, that would clone neutron in addition to what you linked to | 22:47 |
| lifeless | I was thinking just a parameter | 22:48 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: special casing neutron? does not sound really decoupled | 22:48 |
| dougwig | tox_install doesn't exist because of missing macros. it exists because devs still run thing outside jobs. | 22:48 |
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| ihrachys | dougwig: yeah, but we could use tox.ini to set the default value for variable that would be used to fetch neutron. in gate it would be smth zuul cloner prepares for us; locally it's git:/// | 22:49 |
| amuller | lifeless: sorry, random question, if I change DEVSTACK_GATE_TIMEOUT in a patch to project-config then use Depends-On in a Neutron patch, would the CI jobs off that Neutron patch use the modified DEVSTACK_GATE_TIMEOUT? (Let's assume I have a good reason for doing this) | 22:49 |
| ihrachys | amuller: no | 22:49 |
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| dougwig | ihrachys: that would be infinitely better, yes. | 22:49 |
| ihrachys | sadly | 22:49 |
| lifeless | amuller: no, but you might be able to do it using a depends-on against devstack-gate | 22:50 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: so that's what lifeless advocates for. it's just that from my perspective it's personally painful for me. but if someone is willing to heavy lift that, I would be glad to see that. | 22:50 |
| lifeless | amuller: but! that timeout is just ffractionally less than the jenkins timeout that will hard kill you | 22:50 |
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| lifeless | dougwig: huh? I don't understand your statement about devs | 22:51 |
| amuller | lifeless: ok so there's a jenkins timeout defined in addition to DEVSTACK_GATE_TIMEOUT? Where is that one set? | 22:51 |
| amuller | not in devstack-gate I guess | 22:51 |
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| lifeless | amuller: indeed not | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: you voted -1 on vpnaas. have you checked the *latest* version of it? | 22:52 |
| lifeless | amuller: the point of devstack's gte timeout is to let us get logs from stuck things before jenkins kill -9's the processes | 22:52 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: that was the lateste version | 22:52 |
| amuller | lifeless: yeah, that's not working for me =p | 22:52 |
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| lifeless | amuller: oh, so you want to set it lower ? | 22:52 |
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| amuller | lifeless: higher | 22:53 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: yeah, it's just that your comment does not relate to latest I believe | 22:53 |
| ihrachys | lifeless: since there I use the UPPER_CONSTRAINTS from gate | 22:53 |
| amuller | lifeless: check out http://logs.openstack.org/89/252589/1/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-functional/e348692/logs/, lots of logs missing because it hit DEVSTACK_GATE_TIMEOUT | 22:53 |
| amuller | lifeless: it's very hard knowing why some of those tests run for so long without logs, kinda of a chicken and egg thing | 22:53 |
| openstackgerrit | yalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Add network_update RPC into sriov agent https://review.openstack.org/233499 | 22:54 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: but I thought you were not going to use the constraints macros? | 22:54 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: I am confuse | 22:54 |
| lifeless | amuller: :/ | 22:54 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: why not? as long as it works for me, I don't see my interest in getting rid of tox_install.sh now. | 22:54 |
| lifeless | I need to grab some food before my brain shuts down, back soon | 22:54 |
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| ihrachys | lifeless: ok I need to run so please check whether latest thing really needs -1. cu! | 23:02 |
| lifeless | ihrachys: if its going to use the constraints macros, no its likely ok | 23:02 |
| ihrachys | ok, now that it's Thu locally, I gotta have some sleep :) | 23:03 |
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