Wednesday, 2017-04-19

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gongyshhi05:29
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gongyshhi05:29
tbhhi gongysh05:30
gongysh#startmeeting tacker05:30
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 05:30:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.05:30
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:30
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tacker'05:30
jankigongysh, tbh hi05:30
tbhhi janki05:30
gongysh#topic roll call05:30
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jankio/05:31
gongyshwho are you guys here for tacker meeting?05:31
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gongyshhi, janki tbh05:31
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tbho/05:31
YanXing_ano/05:31
sridhar_ramo/05:31
tung_doano/05:31
gongysh6 of us.05:32
gongysh#topic BP05:32
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gongyshfor the vim rechability monitor05:32
gongyshI am trying to fix it via mistral05:32
gongyshhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/457140/05:33
gongyshit is still in progress.05:33
sridhar_ramgongysh: +1 for a mistral based approach !05:33
gongyshhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/457843/05:33
gongyshsince we will use mistral lots, I think we need to pull up mistral related codes into a top dir.05:34
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gongyshtung_doan, you said it is not good for separating vnfo and vnfm. I don't think so.05:34
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gongyshsridhar_ram, yes, I agree not to introduce more third party component, such as zookeeper if we can do on current components.05:35
sridhar_ramtung_doan: gongysh: what is the context for such a statement - nfvo & vnfm separation?05:36
sridhar_ramgongysh: ack!05:36
gongyshtung_doan, do you have any thing to say about 'seprate nfvo and vnfm"?05:36
tung_doangongysh: Mistral is one of openstack drivers, I just think we should consider where we should place mistral driver :)05:36
gongyshtung_doan, mistral will be a part of tacker, not a driver.05:37
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gongyshwe have vim driver, not workflow driver.05:38
sridhar_ramtung_doan: gongysh: we need to clearly differentiate what belong to VIM driver and what is tacker's functional dependency05:38
sridhar_rammistral is tacker's functional dependency (just like keystone)05:38
trinathso/05:38
sridhar_ramit has nothing to do with target VIM driver ..05:38
gongyshsridhar_ram, yes, it is so at least until now.05:38
sridhar_ramcurrently the code is poorly organized .. hence the confusion05:38
tung_doansridhar_ram: gongysh : ok. got it05:39
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sridhar_rami started an attempt to cleanup in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450487/05:39
sridhar_ram.. but need to find some time to finish that effort05:39
gongyshthis is good.05:40
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gongyshsridhar_ram, you should push a new patch at midnight. :)05:40
sridhar_ramgongysh: :)05:41
gongyshtung_doan, what is your progress on mistral for vnf policy?05:41
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gongyshtung_doan, hi05:42
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tung_doangongysh: i still look into this feature: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/mistral-specs/specs/newton/approved/event-notification-trigger.html05:42
gongyshtung_doan, ok, if it is complex, you can put a spec on it.05:43
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tung_doangongysh: yes. thanks :)05:43
gongyshalso I am thinking about our customized 'mistral action' in tacker.05:43
sridhar_ramgongysh: for what purpose ?05:44
gongyshI think one principle is: not use db connection in action code since the action code is running at mistral engine.05:44
gongyshsridhar_ram,   to use mistral, means we need to have our own actions.05:44
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gongyshsridhar_ram https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457140/2/tacker/mistral/mistralactions/pingaction.py05:45
sridhar_rami get that, is it intended for scaling, respawn, etc?05:45
gongyshsridhar_ram,  https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/mistral-specs/specs/newton/approved/event-notification-trigger.html05:46
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gongyshtung_doan is looking into it to see if vnf policy can use this mistral feature.05:46
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sridhar_ramokay, good.. i like the approach..05:46
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tung_doangongysh: +105:46
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gongyshok,  move to next topic05:47
gongyshYanXing_an, hi05:47
YanXing_angongysh, hi05:47
gongyshI have seen you have updated the barbican spec.05:47
YanXing_anhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/445543/05:47
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gongyshI think it is almost done. we can get it merged soon.05:48
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gongyshsince dharmendra kushwaha is not online, sridhar_ram, can you review it?05:48
gongyshI can give my +2.05:49
sridhar_ramgongysh: will review.. looks close to me05:49
YanXing_anDuring coding, i can update the merged spec later?05:49
gongyshsridhar_ram, thanks05:49
YanXing_anif something changes05:49
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gongyshYanXing_an, no need to update the spec, spec is just drafting overview.05:50
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gongyshwe allow some gap between spec and implementation.05:50
YanXing_angongysh, got it.05:51
gongyshstorage BP05:51
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gongyshhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/453442/05:52
gongyshis zhou zhihong online?05:52
YanXing_anZhouZhihong is on business, he will update the patch soon according the review comments05:52
gongyshthat spec is not updated last few days.05:52
gongyshAPI spec05:52
gongyshjanki,05:52
gongyshI have see your first draft framework05:53
gongyshsorry,  it is from diga05:53
gongyshhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/442887/05:53
gongyshit is very basic.05:53
jankigongysh, Mine is containarization one05:54
gongyshneed more work.05:54
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gongyshjanki, do you have a spec on it?05:54
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jankigongysh, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397233/05:55
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jankigongysh, need to update it. WIll do it this week05:55
gongyshjanki, wow, a lot of reviews.05:55
gongyshjanki, thanks05:55
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gongyshjanki, can you move it into pike?05:56
jankigongysh, ya. will give it best shot05:56
jankiwhen is the pike release?05:56
sridhar_ramjanki: try reducing the scope ..05:56
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sridhar_ram.. it will help to make it to pike05:56
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jankisridhar_ram, as in?05:57
gongyshjanki, p3 is on July05:57
jankiI am currently targetting just spawning vnf as container. no scaling or anything05:57
gongysh2405:57
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jankigongysh, good amount of time in hand. I will do it05:57
sridhar_ramjanki: make some assumptions - just VDU support using Heat05:57
gongyshjanki, but you should think about the scaling.05:57
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jankigongysh, scaling can come in second iteration05:58
gongyshto avoid later large redo.05:58
sridhar_ramthe design shd factoring in things like scaling but i think implementation should experiment with limited scope to make it05:58
gongyshsridhar_ram, +105:58
tung_doansridhar_ram: agree.  i hope to see this feature in pike05:59
gongyshlets move to next topic05:59
gongysh#topic bugs05:59
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gongyshI thing I ran into a bug which causes all functional test fail.06:00
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gongyshthe trial fix is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457852/06:00
gongyshit seem devstack removs the 5000 port?06:01
gongyshbut I need to watch more.06:01
gongyshdo you guys have any other bugs to talk about?06:01
sridhar_ramvim-update fix from trinaths06:02
trinathsyes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449956/06:02
gongyshtrinaths it is a long story06:02
trinathsgongysh: very long story06:02
trinathsalso, the BP, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455188/06:03
sridhar_ramtrinaths: gongysh: let's write an ending to that story here :)06:03
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trinathssridhar_ram: :)06:03
gongyshsridhar_ram, please start with your ideas06:04
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sridhar_ramtrinaths: gongysh: bottomline - we need to support update of all attrs except auth_url06:04
sridhar_ramname/desc/is_default will result in local db level update / validation06:04
sridhar_ramanything more shd result in register-vim06:05
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trinathssridhar_ram: then, will this bug also, redirects to vim-config.yaml validation.06:05
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sridhar_ramtrinaths: yes, it needs to .. it seems the above logic is poorly implemented and needs to be fixed.06:06
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sridhar_ramit is better to fix all vim-update bugs as part of this06:07
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gongyshsridhar_ram, agree, we should make the vim-update works just as the api defined.06:07
trinathssridhar_ram: okay. Let have vim-update bugs detailed of their issues and be fixed. that way we can have certain scope of fixes and reviews.06:07
sridhar_ramtrinaths: thanks.. didn't mean to do a scope-creep :)  but this will help us all to knock this one off06:08
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trinathssridhar_ram: agree.06:08
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trinathssridhar_ram: we need to include deep_update modification to this commit ?06:09
gongyshYanXing_an, seems jimmy is not here.06:09
sridhar_ramtrinaths: i'm fine removing it as long as the original functional intent as i described is taken care06:10
gongyshsome vnffg bugs are still hanging there.06:10
YanXing_angongysh, jimmy is also on business for long time06:10
tung_doangongysh: sridhar_ram: scaling and monitoring are not working now. The reason is tosca-parser was released last week06:10
trinathssridhar_ram: ok. we need to move all the changes from nfvo_db to nfvo_plugin.?06:10
gongyshhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/451827/06:11
sridhar_ramtrinaths: yes, let's consolidate validation in nfvo_plugin06:11
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trinathssridhar_ram: okay. agree.06:11
gongyshYanXing_an, could you have a look at this patch?06:12
YanXing_angongysh: i will look at this patch06:13
gongyshok, thanks06:13
gongyshtbh, hi06:13
gongyshabout ns with vnffg bp06:13
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trinathsgongysh: sridhar_ram: this BP requires your review. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455188/06:14
tbhI haven't checked that gongysh  assuming dkushuwaha looking into it06:14
gongyshtbh,  aren't you work with dharmendra kushwaha?06:14
sridhar_ramtrinaths: i'm already on it .. please see the email thread in ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115601.html06:14
tbhgongysh, not yet, I will look into it06:14
sridhar_ramjay has some suggestion .. that i latched on .. please see the email thread06:15
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trinathssridhar_ram: yes. With the ML discussion, I have updated the BP.06:15
sridhar_ramtrinaths: cool.. you are fast! will take a look06:16
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trinathssridhar_ram: I'm observing the ML and doing the changes as appropriate. Once the BP is approved, I can start the coding. planning to target some command-plugins to P-3.06:17
sridhar_ramtrinaths: sounds good ..06:17
gongyshsridhar_ram, who is responding in the mail?06:17
sridhar_ramgongysh: what do you think about the 'openstack vnf'  suggestion? It is a reasonable compromise IMO06:18
gongyshwho is Jay Pipes jaypipes at gmail.com ?06:18
trinathsI need gongysh to bless me for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455188/06:18
gongyshI am thinking if he knows what is vnf, what is nfv.06:18
sridhar_ramgongysh: Jay Pipes .. OpenStack veteran, ex-TC member... nova contributor06:19
trinathsgongysh: https://launchpad.net/~jaypipes06:19
gongyshsridhar_ram, he is not from nfv domain.06:19
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gongyshall guys know SDN & NFV, not SDN & VNF.06:20
sridhar_ramgongysh: he is quite knowledgable in NFV .. though we significantly disagree with him on few things .. in a healthy way :)06:20
gongyshusing vnf as prefix, it is narrowing our project's scope.06:20
gongyshwe are doing nfv, not vnf.06:20
sridhar_ramgongysh: the CLI keyword doesn't determine our project's scope06:20
sridhar_ramkeep in mind the idea with OSC is to make openstack behave as "one product" using all the features coming from different projects06:21
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sridhar_ramthe keyword just determines the "resource" that is being created using tacker project ..06:22
sridhar_ramvnf, collection of vnfs, graph on top of vnfs, etc.06:22
gongyshsridhar_ram,   osc commands are what users are see  what our tacker does.06:22
gongyshall commands are 'vnf xxx', it seems we are doing vnf, not nfv.06:23
sridhar_ramgongysh: yes, for demo purposes .. but in real world deployments OSS/BSS will invoke Tacker API06:23
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gongyshwe have to vote at next meeting06:24
sridhar_ramgongysh: it doesn't negate us in any way we are doing NFV by using vnf keyword06:24
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gongyshsridhar_ram, I even cannot know what is mean by 'vnf service'06:25
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digasorry got late06:25
gongyshall our tacker documents and industry standards is network service, not vnf service.06:26
sridhar_ramgongysh:  it is just the restriction coming from being an openstack citizen06:26
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gongyshok, let move it to tacker channel.06:26
gongysh#topic open discussion06:27
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gongyshwe have 3 mins.06:27
sridhar_ramwhat is the plan for tacker related activities in openstack boston summit?06:27
sridhar_rami'm still tentative attending the summit :(06:27
digaI have started pushing patches on api-framework branch, please take a look at it06:27
gongyshsridhar_ram, we have a forum room booked for us.06:27
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digaI have changed the directory structure for API06:28
sridhar_ramwho is planning to attend the summit?06:28
gongyshme06:28
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digaI am not able to make it this time06:28
sridhar_ramanyone else ?06:28
sridhar_rami guess rest is all waiting to go to australia ;-)06:29
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gongyshif just me is on the summit, I have to cancel the room.06:30
gongyshdiga, I will put my eyes on the api patches.06:30
gongysh#endmeetings06:30
digagongysh: ok06:30
gongysh#endmeeting06:30
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gongyshthanks everyone06:30
trinathsthanks gongysh06:31
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joehuanghell14:00
joehuanghello14:00
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 14:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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longxiongqiuhello14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tricircle'14:00
hejiaweihi14:01
joehuang#topic rollcall14:01
yinxiulinhi14:01
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joehuang#info joehuang14:01
Yipei#info Yipei14:01
dongfeg_1#info dongfeng14:01
longxiongqiu#info longxiongqiu14:01
hejiawei#info hejiawei14:01
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yinxiulin#info xiulin14:01
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan14:01
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joehuang#topic feature implementation review14:02
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joehuanglet's have a brief review on our feature implementation, please describe in short14:02
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RongHui11hello14:03
joehuanghi, ronghui14:03
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dongfeg_1for me, 1) the async job api is still under test, when apply multiple filters it will fail. 2) doc for async job api also needs modification.14:04
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Yipeifor lbaas, already complete the operation of creating lb14:04
Yipeitry creating a listener for lb14:05
zhiyuan(1) flat network support is merged, but a patch need to be added to support the same physical network in different regions (2) multi-gateway support is updated to create local network/subnet before VM creation14:05
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joehuangto zhiyuan, for same physical network, I just find that we can simply catch the exception FlatNetworkInUse in central Neutron, and then do nothing, just let the local Neutron to judge again14:06
joehuangok, Dongfeng, functest is needed for API14:07
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RongHui11the network of longqiu is not good and he have updated a very simple qos patch, after merged,i will update others patch one by one.14:08
joehuangYou can refer to pod functest, it's using restful request to do functest14:08
dongfeng_1ok, got it.14:08
hejiaweifor me, spec for metering needs update. this week I'm not update it due to my math test. It will be update in this weekend.14:08
joehuangok14:09
joehuanggood14:10
joehuangthe milestone pike-1.5 will be on May.214:10
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joehuangso if your feature plans to land in pike-1.5, please update in time, so that review can be done ASAP14:11
zhiyuanto Joe, I am afraid that if the database record can be correctly restored.14:11
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zhiyuanthough we can create both external networks, when query one of the network, the physical network field may be missing14:12
joehuangFlatNetworkIn use only happen for physical network name duplication14:12
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joehuangneed to dig into in more detail14:14
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joehuangFor QoS spec14:15
zhiyuanI am afraid that we can not associate one physical network with more than one network, we ignore the exception, at the same time the necessary database record is also missing14:15
joehuangI found that there is misunderstanding on the comment14:15
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joehuangthere is no existing async job to do QoS disassociation14:16
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joehuang@XiongQiu?14:18
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joehuangxiongqiu, are you online?14:19
longxiongqiuyes14:19
joehuangdo you mean dissassociation need no async. job14:20
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joehuangfor network-qos disassociation, in sync way or async way? for port-qos disassociation, it'll be done in sync or async way?14:21
longxiongqiui mean disassociation will be done by update network async job14:22
joehuangI don't understand your comment14:22
joehuangthen how about port14:23
longxiongqiuOpenstack qos API conference dont provide qos disassociation API,it is supported by network API14:23
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joehuangin update_network aync job https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/common/xrpcapi.py#L10014:24
longxiongqiuThe implementation is in my new patch14:25
joehuangok, will review your patch14:25
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longxiongqiui have tested,it is successful14:25
longxiongqiuok14:26
joehuangfor port, it'll be don in sync way or async way14:26
joehuangI meant the port-qos disassociation14:26
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longxiongqiuit is similar with network in Neutron source code , so it use async job as network14:29
joehuangno port_update async job14:29
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longxiongqiui will add in new patch and test14:30
joehuangand for port, it's clear where the pod is, so sync disassociation is enough14:30
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joehuangfor async job, it's mainly for long run task, and make it more reliable14:32
joehuangif sync operation is ok, it's better to use sync operation14:32
longxiongqiuIf it use sync way,i just add some code in update port interface, i will consider the two ways14:32
joehuang@zhiyuan, your idea?14:33
joehuangand on the other hand, async job is to avoid deadlock14:34
joehuangbetween local plugin and central plugin, if deadlock operation is possible14:34
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zhiyuanI think the above approach is fine, we just handle policy disassociation in network/port update.14:35
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zhiyuanjust add a new part of code in network/port udpate to process policy disassociation14:36
joehuangplease have further investigation and verification offline14:36
longxiongqiuyes14:36
joehuang#topic weekly meeting time14:37
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joehuanghello, OSIC event also brings impact in tricircle14:37
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joehuangsome contributors from OSIC will have to work on other area14:37
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joehuangso we can reschedule the weekly meeting, it's inconvenient for us to have a meeting at current time14:38
joehuangwhat's your proposal?14:39
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dongfeg_1do you mean the intel developers will not review our patches?14:39
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joehuangthey will reduce effort for they may have new job responsibility14:40
dongfeg_1it's a pity, more reviewers will accelerate the pace. I always expect there will be more comments.14:41
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joehuangfor sure14:41
dongfeg_1for me 9:00 PM is ok14:42
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RongHui119:00 PM in Wednesday14:43
hejiaweiit's ok to me14:43
joehuangyou mean restore to previous time slot14:43
dongfeg_1yes,14:43
RongHui11+114:43
dongfeg_1+114:43
joehuangok14:43
WuCheng+114:43
RongHui1110:00 pm is a little late for us14:43
yinxiulin+114:43
Yipei+114:43
hejiawei+114:43
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longxiongqiuagree14:43
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zhiyuanthe time is fine for me14:44
joehuangOK, I'll create a new doodle, and send in the mail-list, please vote in the doodle14:44
dongfeg_1ok14:45
joehuang#topic open discussion14:45
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joehuangany topic?14:45
dongfeg_1no for me14:45
RongHui11no for me14:45
zhiyuanno14:45
Yipei no14:46
yinxiulinno14:46
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hejiaweino14:46
joehuangok, thank you for attending the meeting14:46
joehuang#endmeeting14:47
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Apr 19 14:47:01 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:47
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-04-19-14.00.html14:47
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-04-19-14.00.txt14:47
joehuangbye14:47
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-04-19-14.00.log.html14:47
dongfeg_1bye.14:47
RongHui11bye14:47
longxiongqiugood night14:47
Yipeibye14:47
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 16:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
smcginnisping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov16:00
geguileoo/16:00
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smcginniswxy viks ketonne abishop sivn breitz16:00
jungleboyjo/16:00
xyang1Hi16:00
mdovgalhi16:00
hemna\o/16:00
eharneyhi16:00
scottdahi16:00
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e0nehi16:00
smcginnisHi everyone.16:00
wxy|hello16:00
bswartz.o/16:00
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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kaisersHi16:01
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smcginnisJust a few weeks out from the Summit/Forum.16:01
DuncanTHi16:01
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smcginnisLooking forward to seeing folks there. Hopefully we have enough from Cinder that could make it.16:02
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smcginnisWe're well into the second milestone phase.16:02
smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus16:02
smcginnisPlease take a look at the specs out there. I think there's at least a couple that can probably be approved.16:03
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smcginnis#topic os-brick CI requirements16:03
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smcginnisSo this came up in a recent patch.16:04
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Will try to look through those.16:04
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smcginnisWe've talked about CI for os-brick in the past.16:04
smcginnisjungleboyj: Cool, thanks.16:04
smcginnisI think we pretty much agreed it's a good thing to run CI against os-brick patches if you could,16:04
e0nesmcginnis: IMO, 3rd party CI for this stuff would be great16:04
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smcginnisAnd very strongly encouraged if you have a custom connector.16:04
SwansonHello.16:04
geguileoe0ne: +116:05
smcginnise0ne: I agree, it would be good to know if we break anything before we actually release a new version.16:05
smcginnisWhile we stated it was important for custom connectors, we never made it a strict requirement or wrote down anywhere that it was needed.16:06
smcginnisJust wondering if we should do that now.16:06
smcginnisOr we can just leave it as is with a strong recommendation to have it.16:06
jungleboyjWell, we have made other things a strict requirement, so it would be consistent.16:07
xyang1jungleboyj: +116:07
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jungleboyjReduce confusion and questions though it may not make everyone happy.16:07
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kaisersAs a note, if you've got a Cinder 3rd party CI running an os-brick instance largely similar and has much less traffic (resource usage)16:08
smcginnisOK, I can try to update our wiki soon to add that to our CI requirements.16:08
smcginniskaisers: +1 - that's the good thing I think with os-brick. It's really low volume.16:08
jungleboyjYep.16:08
smcginnisOK, cool. Just wanted to publicly raise it here before doing anything.16:09
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Does this impact anyone immediately?16:09
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jungleboyjIs there anyone that doesn't have CI running that will now need to add it?16:09
smcginnisjungleboyj: No, I think just for any new connectors we will need to see CI results before approvinng.16:09
e0nejungleboyj: we should follow the same way, as we did for drivers16:10
smcginnisjungleboyj: And we'll have to review what existing ones do not have CI.16:10
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Ok.  Sounds good.16:10
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smcginnisI do think eventually we should make it more strict and deprecate/remove connectors that do not meet the requirement.16:10
smcginnisJust don't want to do that immediately.16:10
e0nesmcginnis: +116:11
tommylikehu+116:11
jungleboyjYeah, phase it in.  That makes sense.16:11
kaisers+116:12
smcginnisMaybe a good thing for queens.16:12
smcginnisOK, that's all I had.16:12
smcginnisAgenda really light today.16:12
smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:12
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dulekCan I chime in then?16:12
smcginnisdulek: Please do!16:12
dulekJust wanted to raise this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453654/16:12
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dulekI've started working on OpenStack-Helm chart for Cinder.16:13
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dulekAnd I've discovered all of the backend options are placed into [DEFAULT] section in config sample.16:13
dulekWhich was fine when we've supported single backend, but is totally wrong now.16:13
smcginnisdulek: I think that patch makes sense.16:14
smcginnisdulek: It's W-1. Still work to do there?16:14
dulekThe patch basically creates an artifical [backend] section that will aggregate backend config options.16:14
smcginnisdulek: Probably a fair enough way to do it.16:14
dulekYeah, unit tests. I'm running last of them right now - I've spent today fixing them.16:14
smcginnisGreat!16:14
dulekSo you can expect new patchset today.16:15
mdovgaldulek, looked through the patch, the idea is great, actually16:15
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jungleboyjYeah, I think that approach makes sense.16:15
dulekAlso note that there are 3 patches on the bottom of the chain that remove CONF usage from 3 drivers.16:15
smcginnisNice.16:15
jungleboyjThe [backend] section then doesn't really get used, just there for reference.16:15
dulekRBD, XtremIO, and DISCO is comming.16:15
dulekOkay, so if there isn't a lot of controversy with my work - that's the heads up I wanted to give. :)16:16
smcginnisdulek: Thanks, I think it's a good call.16:17
jungleboyjI just added a note.  I think it should also have a release-note please.16:17
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* dulek was thinking about that too.16:17
* jungleboyj thinks great minds think alike16:17
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smcginnisAnybody have anything else?16:18
tommylikehusmcginnis I happened to have one. I am working on the generalized resource filtering these days.16:18
tommylikehuso anyone have interests on this , please take a look : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444598/16:18
smcginnistommylikehu: Great!16:18
tommylikehusmcginnis:  hoping I am heading the correct way16:19
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smcginnistommylikehu: Last time I looked, I think it was in good shape. Thanks for working on that.16:19
jungleboyjtommylikehu: Thanks for all the efforts.16:19
tommylikehusmcginnis, jungleboyj  it's almost done now :)16:20
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smcginnisOK, anything else?16:20
kaisersIf i may also add a point16:20
smcginniskaisers: Definitely16:20
kaisersProbably i'll have stones thrown at me, but still:16:20
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kaisersPls a second core for review at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455256/ , CIs affected are down for two weeks now and it would be good to have them back.16:21
kaisersThat's all :)16:21
jungleboyjkaisers:  Looking.16:21
smcginnisAlright, I think we can cut it short today.16:21
smcginnisThanks everyone.16:22
tommylikehuthanks16:22
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geguileothanks16:22
xyang1smcginnis: the Cinder on boarding meeting happens at the same time as Cinder as nova ephemeral storage16:22
xyang1At the summit16:22
kaisersThanks16:22
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smcginnisxyang1: Oh, shoot. I wonder if we can ask for a schedule change?16:23
xyang1smcginnis: that will be nice16:23
jungleboyjkaisers: Done.16:23
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kaisers...and there was much rejoicing :)16:23
jungleboyjxyang1:  Good catch.  That isn't good!16:23
smcginnisOK, really done now. Thanks again. :)16:23
smcginnis#endmeeting16:23
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 18:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'gluon'18:00
pcarverhi18:00
bh526r#topic Roll Call18:00
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bh526rHi Paul18:00
krenczewskiHi18:00
bh526r#info Bin Hu18:00
bh526rHi Kamil18:00
krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:00
pcarver#info Paul Carver18:00
bh526rGeorg is on vacation, so he will be absent from meeting18:01
bh526r#topic Admin Update18:01
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bh526r#info No specific update18:01
bh526r#info But our Gluon demo will be shown on various places in Boston18:02
bh526r#info including Open Source Days Mini Summit on Monday, AT&T Booth, Ericsson Booth and OPNFV Booth18:03
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bh526r#info We are looking for volunteer to man the booth.18:03
bh526r#topic PoC Status18:03
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bh526r#info Scenario is stable18:04
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bh526r#info Bin is working on a demo script, and will share with everyone asap18:04
jinliHi all18:04
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bh526rHi Jin18:04
jinli#info JinLi18:04
bh526rKamil, how about Contrail?18:05
krenczewskiYes18:05
krenczewskiI've resized the disk space, but had to reinstall Contrail18:05
krenczewskiIt is same state as it was previously, but last time I was wrong that is is working correctly18:06
bh526rI see18:06
bh526rso you are still working to make Contrail work correctly18:06
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krenczewskiI need to investigate this little more as this is very strange behaviour18:06
bh526rI see.18:06
krenczewskiYes18:06
bh526rThanks for update18:07
bh526r#info Kamil has resized disk space and reinstalled Contrail18:07
bh526r#info Now it is the same state as it was previously. Contrail is not working properly yet18:07
krenczewskiIts is weird, every service is up and running but Vrouteere and Contrail-Control appears as non-functioning18:07
bh526r#info Kamil will investigate it a little more as this is very strange behavior18:08
krenczewski*Vrouter18:08
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bh526r#info It is weird, every service is up and running, but vRouter and Contrail Control appears non-functioning18:08
bh526r#info So Kamil will keep on investigation18:09
bh526rBTW, Kamil, did you report Contrail issue to Sukhdev and/r Nachi?18:09
krenczewskiNot, yet. I'll write e-mail today. I've just finished re-deployment today18:10
bh526rI see. Great, and hopefully they can assign someone to help you investigate and debug18:11
bh526rThank you Kamil for hard work18:11
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bh526r#info Kamil will also report to Contrail team to get more expert help.18:12
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bh526r#info BGP Peering YAML was approved and merged last week18:12
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bh526r#info SFC YAML was under review, and will be submitted soon by Georg once he is back from vacation18:13
bh526r#info Robert has drafted a simple P2P YAML, and asked Ian for review and comment. No feedback yet18:13
pcarverwhere did the BGP peering YAML end up?18:13
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bh526rIt was approved and merged18:14
pcarverI don't see it under https://github.com/openstack/gluon/tree/master/gluon/models are models going somewhere else?18:14
bh526rhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/450917/18:14
pcarveroh, I see. You mean as part of the l3vpn API not as a separate model18:15
bh526rIt updates the original models/net-l3vpn/api.yaml18:15
pcarverwhat's the review URL for the SFC one?18:15
bh526rYes, as part of L3VPN API, not a separate model. But new parameters related to BGP peering is added18:15
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bh526rSFC is not submitted yet18:15
pcarveroh, I thought you said it was under review18:16
bh526rGeorg is on vacation this week, and the draft is under Ericsson's internal IPR review18:16
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bh526r#info No update of ELAN either18:18
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bh526r#info We may use Robert's simple P2P YAML for demo purpose, i.e. add/remove from models/ directory at backend. But it may not be necessary to submit to our repo18:19
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bh526rThat's all of PoC update18:20
bh526rany other update from everyone?18:20
pcarverIs any of the PoC dependent on Nova or Neutron changes?18:20
bh526r#topic Pike Plan18:20
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bh526rNo, no dependency as far as I know18:21
bh526r#info Thanks Jin for submitting version management design doc18:22
bh526r#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456772/18:22
bh526r#info It has been reviewed a few times.18:23
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bh526r#info It is in good shape.18:23
bh526r#info Bin and Jin also had a call offline this morning, and Jin will have another patch to make it more complete18:23
bh526r#info Once Jin's new patchset is submitted, give all core reviewers 72 hours to have more comments/opinions18:24
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bh526r#info If no more other opinions, Bin will take the action to approve and merge it. Meanwhile, Jin can start to implement it in parallel to save time.18:25
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bh526ranything else?18:26
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bh526rOk, if nothing else, we can adjourn the meeting and give back everyone 32 minutes18:28
bh526r#info Meeting adjourned18:28
bh526r#endmeeting18:29
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bh526rthank you everyone, and bye all18:29
krenczewskiBye18:29
jinlibye18:29
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SotKanyone here for the storyboard meeting?19:00
zara_the_lemur__I AM19:00
zara_the_lemur__HI19:00
SotKHI THERE19:00
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard19:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 19:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'19:00
SotK#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda19:00
SotKI've not got round to updating that but I don't think much has changed19:00
SotK#topic Announcements19:01
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SotKI think there is nothing today19:01
SotK#topic Urgent Items19:01
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SotKAgain, nothing today19:01
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SotK#topic In Progress Work19:01
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* SotK has sadly failed to do much useful this week, it was Easter and I took a break for the most part19:01
zara_the_lemur__same. I got a little done before Easter.19:02
zara_the_lemur__I tested 3 of the 6 migrations I wanted to test and updated the story19:02
zara_the_lemur__watcher and octavia imported fine, though I didn't test against the production db19:02
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zara_the_lemur__the import for Charms failed19:03
zara_the_lemur__it tried to import a user whose name started with a tilde19:03
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zara_the_lemur__and the script couldn't handle it19:03
SotKinteresting, I wonder if what data type we use for user names19:04
zara_the_lemur__'importing user 'https://launchpad.net/~landscape-builder'19:04
SotKhuh, isn't that tilde just how launchpad urls work?19:04
zara_the_lemur__I think it was the tilde, anyway19:04
zara_the_lemur__maybe that wasn't the issue19:04
SotKas in https://launchpad.net/~adam-coldrick19:04
zara_the_lemur__if so, then hah, it's not that19:04
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zara_the_lemur__I've put the full traceback in the story, hang on19:05
zara_the_lemur__I only had time to glance at it19:05
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zara_the_lemur__(we can also debug it after the meeting if that makes more sense, but might as well link it now)19:05
SotKboth of those statements make sense to me19:06
SotKI did basically none of the things I said I would19:06
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SotKI had a look at the project name patches but held off merging until I would be somewhat around19:06
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diablo_rojo_phonI'm on my phone at docker con so I'm only half paying attention19:07
zara_the_lemur__ah, I wondered about that, thanks for holding off in that situation19:07
SotKso I will actually do that after the meeting this week19:07
zara_the_lemur__(also thanks for chairing; it's totally my turn again)19:07
SotKyw :)19:08
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zara_the_lemur__#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200087619:08
zara_the_lemur__is the story19:08
zara_the_lemur__and19:09
zara_the_lemur__#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/607044/19:09
zara_the_lemur__is the traceback19:09
zara_the_lemur__for the failed import19:09
zara_the_lemur__if it makes you feel any better, I got round to testing exactly 0 of the boards speedups patches19:09
zara_the_lemur__but I have > 6 million points on rocksmith19:10
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* SotK will look closely after19:12
SotKthat seems like a decent trade for holiday time :)19:12
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zara_the_lemur__:)19:13
zara_the_lemur__I will aim to review at least one boards patch tonight19:13
zara_the_lemur__and I'm running another project import now19:13
zara_the_lemur__oh it finished successfully, neat19:13
SotK\o/19:13
SotKoh I will sort out getting the db dump to folks tonight or tomorrow19:14
SotKthanks fungi for that19:14
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zara_the_lemur__+119:14
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zara_the_lemur__I think diablo_rojo_phon has updated her branches patch19:14
zara_the_lemur__ah yes, pep8 is angry for some reason19:15
SotKoh excellent, I'll look over that today too19:15
SotKthanks diablo_rojo_phon19:16
zara_the_lemur__yes, thanks!19:16
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zara_the_lemur__my webclient update is still awaiting review, but I'd rather prioritise fabien boucher's patches for projects and project groups above that if people are stretched for time19:17
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zara_the_lemur__since those have been waiting longer19:17
* SotK will try to find time for both19:17
diablo_rojo_phonI have updated that patch.19:18
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SotKAnything else in progress?19:20
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zara_the_lemur__I haven't spotted anything in review19:21
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zara_the_lemur__I saw diablo_rojo_phon had sent a patch to add storyboard to the training guides, nice!19:21
diablo_rojo_phonYep :)19:22
diablo_rojo_phonFigured it was time to start educating the newbies19:22
SotK\o/ nice19:22
SotKthat seems like a good plan19:22
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diablo_rojo_phonStill teaching lp right now, but also sb now19:23
zara_the_lemur__yeah, it's a good step! :)19:23
zara_the_lemur__well of course I'd say that19:23
zara_the_lemur__I haven't reviewed it since I thought I'd just be like '10/10 what an excellent patch'19:24
zara_the_lemur__and you'd get more sensible feedback with people more involved in the training19:24
zara_the_lemur__but I'm happy to see it19:24
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* SotK too19:28
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SotKlets move onto discussion19:28
SotK#topic Open Discussion19:28
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zara_the_lemur__something something talk in boston storyboard panic something19:28
jpmaxmanlol19:28
zara_the_lemur__:)19:29
jpmaxmanI have some general questions - we've been reviewing StoryBoard a bit more in depth since Barcelona19:29
diablo_rojo_phonYeah we should do the slides.19:29
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jpmaxmanWe have a version up that uses OpenStackID for auth - pretty simple switch19:30
SotKjpmaxman: nice!19:30
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clarkbbiggest thing for us is likely going to be mapping all existing openids to new openid?19:31
clarkband update the db accordingly19:31
jpmaxmanyeah I think the first step would be to simply allow the user to use either19:31
jpmaxmanyou can technically associate multiple logins with one account19:32
SotKyup, I think that would be a sensible first step19:32
jpmaxmannot sure it is entirely necessary to completely remove launchpad unless you just wanted to19:32
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SotKunless my brain is totally asleep we'll need a bit of work in storyboard to support multiple openids per user19:33
jpmaxmanoh yeah not out of the box as is :)19:33
jpmaxmanI'll dig into it a bit19:34
jpmaxmanbut the main thing I wanted to bring up here19:34
jpmaxmanis a feature we'd really like to build / contribute to story board would be one of time tracking19:34
jpmaxmanI'm not sure how valuable anyone else but, maybe me, would find that19:34
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jpmaxmanbut I thought I'd get a temp reading and see19:35
* SotK expects it would be useful to some folk19:36
SotKdo you have an idea of how you see it working?19:36
jpmaxmanwell that was my next question - I'm fairly familiar with the gerrit code review process19:37
jpmaxmanbut if we were to comp up some visual screens for how something like that might look / work19:38
jpmaxmanhow is that circulated / reviewed / commented on?19:38
SotKin the past we've just done it fairly ad-hocly in channel19:38
zara_the_lemur__in the past we've either mocked it up in CSS directly, or used a mix of things (even asciiflow or imgur, haha)19:38
jpmaxmanok so its sort of whatever tool works then?19:39
SotKa somewhat more permanent process would be to upload mockups somewhere (jsfiddle, imgur, or such) and link them in a story19:39
SotKyeah, basically19:39
zara_the_lemur__yeah, if it's linked in a story then people can find it later19:39
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zara_the_lemur__the main thing is to get it somewhere it can be found by interested people19:39
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jpmaxmanok cool - well I think it can be valuable - even if it doesn't really matter how long something actually takes, it's nice to know a general idea of how much effort things would take when analyzing priorities19:41
jpmaxmanok then - we'll start by sketching something up and getting some feedback if that makes sense19:42
zara_the_lemur__I don't have the data on whether time-tracking in task-trackers leads to more accurate estimates or not, so I can't comment really, but best thing is to put it before an audience who have more knowledge than I do19:42
SotKI don't know whether it leads to more accuracy, but I feel like it can make things somewhat smoother if done right19:42
jpmaxmanin my experience with most task trackers I've seen it is done as an after thought19:42
* SotK has the same experience19:43
jpmaxmanright SotK I think it would be valuable if done right :)19:43
SotKits probably worth bearing in mind the way storyboard handles priority these days19:43
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SotK(as in, with orderable worklists allowing complex priority, rather than a global field)19:44
jpmaxmanyeah I do really like that19:44
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* SotK is glad :)19:46
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SotKI look forward to seeing what you come up with then, thanks!19:46
jpmaxmanyeah cool - looking forward to it... I really want to adopt it as the tool for all the various projects we work on19:47
diablo_rojo_phonI might missed it, but how is testing of various projects going?19:47
jpmaxmanso I'm very excited to start getting more involved here19:47
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zara_the_lemur__diablo_rojo_phon: the lp imports? I've been running some just now, on 5/6 at this point19:48
zara_the_lemur__2/5 have failed19:48
zara_the_lemur__updating a story now19:49
SotKdiablo_rojo_phon: I didn't manage to get any of mine tested I'm afraid, but will do soon19:49
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zara_the_lemur__the latest traceback is.. exciting19:49
SotKjpmaxman: that would be excellent :)19:49
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SotKanyone got anything else?19:57
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zara_the_lemur__I'm good19:58
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SotKif anything comes up, we can always be found in #storyboard!19:58
SotKthanks for coming all19:58
SotK#endmeeting19:58
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clayg#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 19 21:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clayg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
claygwho's here for the swift meeting?21:00
jungleboyjo/21:00
joeljwrighto/21:00
cschwedeo/21:00
m_kazuhiroo/21:00
rledisezo/21:00
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pdardeau_hi21:01
kota_hello21:01
clayg#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:01
jrichlio/21:01
mattoliverauo/21:01
kota_oh, clayg chiars the meeting today21:01
acoleshi21:01
claygGreat thanks everyone - notmyname isn't here today - there's a few things on he agenda - let's do our best21:01
clayg#topic swift 2.14 - let's fix some bugs21:02
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claygI tried to grab all of the priority bugs that I'm aware of being worked on from lp and group them here -> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews21:02
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claygI think a few things that people were already looking at and working on have landed - great work!21:02
claygI'd like to know what I'm missing?21:03
claygor if anything on there isn't at the right priority21:03
claygit's just a wiki page - I think really anyone can edit it?21:03
rledisezif that’s ok i would like to add https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1683689 as i feel it’s at least a « high » bug21:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1683689 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "ssync fails to replicate an object that had x-delete-at removed" [Undecided,New]21:03
timburkei just did not long ago :-)21:04
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rledisezthere is still work to do on it, i’ll look at it tomorrow. (thx acoles for your work on the unit test)21:04
claygrledisez: I agree that's high! and thank you for working on it.  I think we're still trying to work through the details21:04
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acolesrledisez: I looked at that today, agree it's high21:04
claygyes, thanks acoles, and rledisez for updating the bug21:05
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claygif we know more it might be better/worse than it looks at first - I'll put it and the related change under the HIGH section for now21:05
claygwho else is working on some bugs?  Or even just know of one they feel guilt about *not* working on?21:05
acolesI put together a fix for EC gets leaking Connection headers21:06
acolesoh I see that's on the wiki under medium. great21:06
claygacoles: that's on the list under medium - I think it's a bothersome bug21:07
claygthere's no relative priority currently with-in the sections - if stack ranking is something that would help folks I can put my opinion behind it21:07
claygI think the bug severity is sort of objective - I think between one medium bug and the next it just depends on personal priorties - but I'm happy to lend my opinon only if folks think that's useful21:08
claygI think it's ok just to leave medium un ordered and let folks spend there time as they can where they think it's most useful21:08
mattoliveraunah its fine, critical are critical and high are high, no point in ordering them.. hopefully there wil never be too many :)21:08
claygif you want to side channel me that something is misprioritized I'd be happy to take that too21:08
claygcool!21:08
claygummm... also I guess... just if you think of somethign else lets try to get it on there21:09
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claygnow that the criticals are closed we could cut a release at any moment - notmyname might start that when he gets back21:09
claygnext topic?21:09
clayg#topic follow-up from last week21:10
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claygI think it's just https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448480/21:10
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claygwhich is related to a follow up for a critical/high fix we just landed21:10
kota_yup21:10
claygI personally tend to push pretty hard to keep critical bug fixes tight - helps reviews grok thing quickly, find them to be "obviously correct", validate the fix and *backport*21:11
claygbut all to often our really bad bugs are in code that is a mess21:11
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kota_clayg: that patch looks still labeled as WIP?21:11
claygin this case Pavel really wants to follow through and clean up some of the other mess (thank you so much!)21:11
kota_patch 44848021:11
claygI don't have a great answer on how to do better, but generally the idea is "after a critical fix try to make some follow through"21:11
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claygkota_: afaik he needs some help with tests21:12
clayghe might be working on them, or he might be blocked, not sure21:12
kota_clayg: oic21:12
acolesI only looked at the overview but it seems to address several things - can it be broken up or os that just making work?21:12
claygacoles: great question - it's less work for the *reviewer* to keep changes tight?  I think different authors have different thresholds for how much it "costs" to split things up21:13
clayghow we can web accommodating and encouraging21:13
acolesI guess I need to review it to know!21:14
claygok, great - if anyone else has some followup patches that got lost try and track them down and let me know21:14
claygif we have a systemic failure of "make this change do only the minimum fix; and do the rest in the followup" - but then we don't *land* the followup21:15
clayg... could be an issue!21:15
claygnext topic?21:15
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acolesI think we're almost done with the follow ups from EC fragment duplication :P21:15
claygacoles: I think we recently landed some follow from the get_hashes fixes ;P21:15
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acolesyep, that too :)21:16
kota_acoles: :D21:16
claygmaybe long tail of the cleanup is just ... long21:16
clayg#topic Swiftclient patch to use generic Keystone client21:16
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claygjoeljwright: you about?21:16
joeljwrightyeah, I'm here21:16
* clayg has no idea what this is - didn't even read it21:16
joeljwrightbeen updating the bullets as this evolved this week21:16
claygi hope timburke and joeljwright will tell us what we need to know/do21:16
joeljwrightbasically it started as a patch to use the generic keystone client rather than version specific ones21:17
joeljwrightmattoliverau and cschwede gave it +2's but it broke me21:17
joeljwrightwhen I started digging I noticed some subtle behavioural changes21:17
mattoliverauoh yeah thats right21:17
joeljwrightso it all got stuck21:17
cschwedehmm21:17
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joeljwrightjaosorior has proposed a different approach after talking to they keystone peeps21:18
joeljwrightbut it needs a fair bit of work21:18
joeljwrighthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/45620521:18
claygstrangely I sort of do think I knew some of this...21:18
claygmaybe I did read something21:18
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joeljwrightthe big question really is - we probably need to do this at some point, so how do we handle the possible breakages and subtle behavioural issues21:19
claygmattoliverau: cschwede: can you confirm what joeljwright is saying?  did the original patch need to be dropped?21:19
joeljwright?21:19
timburkei think the behavioral changes are mostly OK, though? like, keystoneclient is going to be smart enough to *use a version that seems like it should work* even if it isn't the version you explicitly requested21:19
cschwedeclayg: i need to have a closer look again first21:19
joeljwrighttimburke: yes, but it's also a **lot** more picky about keystone configuration issues21:19
claygmattoliverau: cschwede: is there any chance we could make python-swiftclient undeniably better even if it has some "subtle behavioural changes" in some cases (not *great* granted, but it's relative yeah?)21:20
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claygjoeljwright: "how do we handle the possible breakages and subtle behavioural issues21:20
clayg"21:20
joeljwrightI was really worried about client breakage when the user cannot force a keystone reconfig (and it works atm)21:20
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timburkeand with keystone-on-devstack moving to uwsgi (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456344/ and how it broke both client and server gates)... being able to just use the auth_uri like in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456791/ seems nice?21:20
clayg^ sounds like a good question?  do we have any example of handling that in the past?  or does swiftclient always work the same for everyone forever?21:20
timburkejoeljwright: yeah... true21:21
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mattoliverauit worked in my basic keystone setup, but seems in others its flaky. Like cschwede I'd need to relook. But also lets take a look at the new approach, if its got keystone by in, it might be better21:21
joeljwrightat the very minimum it seems like major version upgrade and explicit "we changed this" docs21:21
claygjoeljwright: sounds like your saying the value of "doing it the right way" is less than the cost of "breaking someone" - i tend to agree21:21
joeljwrightmattoliverau: +121:21
joeljwrightclayg: yes, I want to do it right, but without pissing everyone off :)21:22
timburkejoeljwright: did you ever get your keystone properly configured? i.e., do we at least have an idea of what to tell people if they're having troubles?21:22
claygjoeljwright: I like major version upgrade and start doing way better - esp if it really helps our maintance burden and the cost for the app developer to upgrade is offset with new velocity in making things awesomesause in the future!?21:22
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joeljwrightI got some information from jaosorior and I know what the issue appears to be21:23
joeljwrightthe thing is I can force a fix on mine21:23
claygtimburke: that ++ is there a work around for a swiftclient user that upgrades swiftclient (to a major version upgrade) and finds the new version doesn't work with their weird keystone config "out of the box"21:23
claygjoeljwright: but you're saying it *always* requries a reconfig of the *keystone*21:23
joeljwrightclayg: no21:24
claygphew ;)21:24
timburkefwiw, we might be forced into a major version bump if/when we land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448978/ and have our list of supported pythons better reflect what we're actually testing...21:24
joeljwrightjust when you've done it wrong and don't notice atm21:24
claygtimburke: seems orthogonal - but if we start seriously talking about a release that bumps a major version we *should* try to find/remember stuff like that21:24
claygjoeljwright: but you an change your swiftclient config/options and somehow make it talk to your keystone again - even if it's not seemlessly backwards compatible?21:25
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joeljwrightokay, seems like we have an approach, now we just need to look at how much work is required on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456205 to 'do it right'21:25
timburkeclayg: agreed; i just wanted to point out that a major version bump is probably coming *anyway* -- they forced our hand on it last time for exactly this reason21:25
joeljwrightI'm not sure we can force the old behaviour21:25
joeljwrightbut we can see...21:25
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claygjoeljwright: can you clarify (perhaps just for me)21:26
claygjoeljwright: is there a keystone configuration that you think might be *incompatible* with the new (possibly major) version of swiftclient?21:26
claygor just that the swiftclient user has to update some config/option/kwarg to make it work21:27
acolesjoeljwright: I was wondering that too - right now the CLI requires explicit flag to use keystone v3. AFAICT that would go away and you get whatever API version is discovered. But could a flag force back to a specific API version?21:27
clayg... and that's only assuming it didn't work seemlessly for them in the first place - which in some cases at least it would?21:27
joeljwrightclayg: I don't think we can force the old behaviour with any args after switching to the generic keystone client21:27
joeljwrightit work work or not work, the only solution would be 'use an older version until your keystone works'21:28
clayg*gotcha* - that sounds pretty rough21:28
joeljwrightacoles: I really need to look into that21:28
timburkeacoles: doesn't require, as i recall -- should be on-by-default if you provide a domain21:28
joeljwrightclayg acoles: maybe there *are* forcing options, but we need to work that out21:28
claygok, i'll leave a follow up for next week21:29
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joeljwrightclayg: agreed21:29
claygif we don't know the answer (hopefully the author can help)21:29
joeljwrightyeah, he seems helpful21:29
acolestimburke: ok I was going by the doc examples but I can believe we quietly allow domain to force to v321:29
claygthen we'll make a call to either hold off or get some more folks to start asking questions21:29
joeljwrightjust busy21:29
* clayg would not be surprised if acoles figures everything out as always21:29
claygnext topic?21:30
timburkejoeljwright: i think our method of forcing will basically be, "go instantiate a version-specific plugin" :-/21:30
acolesclayg: do not hold breath21:30
claygumm... I think that's it?21:30
joeljwrightyup21:30
claygi'm freaking good at meetings21:30
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jungleboyjOne quick thing.21:30
clayg#topic open discussion21:30
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claygjungleboyj: has the floor21:30
jungleboyjclayg:  Thank you.21:30
jungleboyjThe Upstream Institute is looking for representatives from each of the different projects to be available at the training for people who are interested in/curious about Swift.21:31
jungleboyjAnyone going to be in Boston on Sunday who is willing to help mentor people?21:31
claygjungleboyj: Sunday... the 7th of March?  or like *this* Sunday?21:32
claygderp May21:32
jungleboyjclayg:  Sunday the 7th of May21:32
claygi think i get in late21:32
acolesjungleboyj: sorry, get in later21:32
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claygjungleboyj: could you send more details to the ML with [swift] - maybe we can move flights?  everyone here should be on the lookout.21:33
claygjungleboyj: do you have limit on the number of swift devs that you could use help from?  Do you have a deadline to get a minimum number of volunteers?21:33
jungleboyjclayg:  Sure I can do that.21:33
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jungleboyjIn the past I have covered storage in general.21:34
timburkeget in around 6 :-/ otherwise i'd be happy to -- i'm looking forward to being around for the project-onboarding stuff wednesday21:34
jungleboyjI will also find out what kind of interest participants have indicated in Swift.21:34
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jungleboyjWill send a note to the ML with details and we can figure out the priority.21:35
clayggotcha, well I'd definately be interested in stopping by even if i'm late, and might try to wiggle my flights - it sounds like ahoot21:35
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claygjungleboyj: thanks for raising awareness about that!  look forward to anymore details.21:35
jungleboyjclayg:  It really is.  It is a good opportunity to get to meet people interested in learning about OpenStack and develop interest.21:35
kota_jungleboyj: can i get the time for that, I may be there at the morning or noon21:35
kota_whole day? or afternoon or evening...21:36
jungleboyjhttps://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/21:36
claygjungleboyj: thanks, sounds like there is definately some intrest - I'll ask to follow up in the next meeting too if anyone has follow up questions that don't get answered int he ML thread21:36
clayg@here doesn't anyone else have some open topics they need to bring up?21:36
mattoliverauOn that note, I wont be at Forum.. no travel for me, even asked (very late) for travel assistance.. no dice :(21:36
kota_jungleboyj: thx, it looks whole day21:37
jungleboyjkota_: Would be Sunday afternoon.21:37
claygmattoliverau: :\21:37
jungleboyjkota_ The more focused discussions will be in the afternoon.21:37
kota_jungleboyj: ok, I'll check my schedule in detail later21:38
jungleboyjIf we know we have someone coming we can hold questions on Swift until someone is there.21:38
jungleboyjkota_:  Thanks21:38
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claygoh, I have a question - did anyone look at storyboard?21:39
rledisezjust a quick question about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-object-server-tests21:39
rledisezwe’re getting dangerously close to the point we need them, so is that ok if we start writing tests like proxy is tested right now? or do you have some other ideas before we write some code21:39
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mattoliverauclayg: not yet.. was there ever a response to notmyname's ML email?21:40
jungleboyjclayg:  We have a bit on it in the education and I know there is going to be sessions on it in Boston.21:41
claygmattoliverau: not unless they sent it directly to him21:41
acolesrledisez: when you say "like the proxy" do you mean like functional tests, but targeted at object server?21:41
rledisezacoles: yes, exactly21:41
claygrledisez: I will try to put some ideas on the etherpad - you should definately start writing code if you see a blocker down the road21:42
mattoliveraurledisez: if you start with potentially the tests that can be re-purposed, then start adding more, and your starting to need it.. then go for it. Sorry the etherpad hasn't gotten much love21:43
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acolesrledisez: InternalClient might be useful. we need to avoid re-implmenting proxy behaviour to generate realistic backend requests21:43
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rledisezacoles: right, good idea21:44
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mattoliveraufor those not following along, the the etherpad is being updated while it seems we are paused here ;)21:46
clayghehhee21:46
claygi'll keep working on that after the meeting21:47
timburkemattoliverau: thanks. i thought it got quiet :-)21:47
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claygrledisez: thanks for raising awareness about that - it seems like pleanty of people are curious what you plan and will be able to accomplish on that topic21:47
clayghopefully we can translate that curiosity to contribution as you get closer to landing something21:47
claygkeep bugging folks!21:47
clayganyone else have some other topics - we still have 10 mins21:48
m_kazuhiroUmm... I want opinions or questions about tiering topic <http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/37>. If you are interested in automated tiering, please visit the url and leave your opinions or questions..21:48
rledisezthx for the feedback. we will propose something small at first and see how it goes21:48
acolesrledisez: +121:48
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claygrledisez: IIRC in ATL you had some feedback for m_kazuhiro regarding tiering - the topic will be discussed more in Boston - I think you will be there?21:49
rledisezclayg: m_kazuhiro yep, i’ll be there21:50
timburkeas i mentioned earlier, our gate got busted. fixed following https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457868/ but judging by the failures on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456791/ the gate-swift-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial job we've got for swiftclient doesn't actually use the in-review swiftclient :-(21:50
clarkbtimburke: I can help sort that out. We possibly need LIBS_FROM_GIT=python-swiftclient21:50
timburkeif anyone knows more about dsvm tests and how to actually test the in-review patch, help there would be much appreciated21:50
timburkewhooo!21:51
clarkbping me after meeting if you like and I can help out with making sure the change in review is what gets tested21:51
claygso swift functests use *released* swiftclient - does that sound so insane?  should they use *master*?21:51
acolestimburke: thanks for your efforts to sort out the gate21:51
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timburkeclayg: not insane for the swift gate. definitely insane for the swiftclient gate21:51
mattoliverau+121:51
claygtimburke: sounds right - thanks for being awesome21:51
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mattoliverauand thanks clarkb for always being round when we need you :)21:52
claygmattoliverau: sounds right - also clarkb thanks for being awesome21:52
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clayglet's end this thing early?  I want to brag to notmyname!21:52
mattoliverauclayg: nice work today, you rocked it!21:53
clayg#endmeeting swift21:53
m_kazuhirorledisez: Great. Let's discuss tiering in Boston.21:53
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