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ekcs | time for congress meeting. thinrichs ramineni_ masahito aimeeu | 00:00 |
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ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 00:01 |
ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 00:01:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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ekcs | hi ramineni_ . welcome back! | 00:01 |
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ekcs | Hi all! as usual, the proposed topics are here. please take a few moments to take a look and feel free to add more. | 00:02 |
ekcs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:02 |
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masahito | hi | 00:03 |
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ekcs | hi masahito ! | 00:05 |
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ekcs | ok let’s get started then. | 00:06 |
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ekcs | #topic announcements | 00:06 |
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ekcs | Pike-1 was released last week. We got a fair amount of stuff in there, but definitely a lot more to be done in the next two milestones =) | 00:07 |
ekcs | Not much more to say there. | 00:07 |
ekcs | Any other announcements? | 00:07 |
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ramineni_ | ekcs: when is pike2 targted? | 00:08 |
ekcs | ramineni_: week of Jun 5 | 00:08 |
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ramineni_ | ekcs: ohok | 00:09 |
ekcs | ok moving on then. | 00:10 |
ekcs | #topic patches | 00:10 |
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ekcs | ramineni_: we discussed your datasource page layout patch last time. | 00:11 |
ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445371/ | 00:11 |
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ekcs | we can continue today. | 00:11 |
ramineni_ | ekcs: yes | 00:11 |
ekcs | To summarize, I think most of us thought it’s great to separate the datasource tables into their individual datasource pages. | 00:11 |
ekcs | ekcs and thinrichs also think that the current Service Status portion of the datasources page is important and it’d be great to keep that information around in one page. | 00:12 |
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ramineni_ | sounds good. until I find a way to add service status into the first table, i can keep the service status table also listed | 00:13 |
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ekcs | Both thinrichs and ekcs suggested that if it’s not easy to rework the new datasource listing to display the status info like before, we can just display the old Service Status table on top, in addition to the new datasouce listing. | 00:14 |
ekcs | Right. | 00:15 |
ekcs | So anything else to discuss there? | 00:15 |
ramineni_ | ekcs: ok, sure, will update that | 00:15 |
ramineni_ | ekcs: no | 00:15 |
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ekcs | awesome. | 00:16 |
ekcs | ok any other patches we’d like to discuss here? | 00:16 |
ramineni_ | ekcs: need one help | 00:16 |
ekcs | yups. | 00:17 |
ramineni_ | ekcs: devstack patch I have added for dashboard project, works fine for me . Can anyone test it out the same for confirmation before merging , Ill update the patch today | 00:17 |
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ekcs | This one? #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453474/ | 00:18 |
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ramineni_ | ekcs: yes | 00:18 |
ramineni_ | ill fix the jenkins today | 00:18 |
ekcs | Silly question: how do you test it? | 00:19 |
ekcs | If I ./stack in devstack, it’ll grab the plugin from github repo right? | 00:20 |
ramineni_ | ekcs: :) | 00:20 |
ekcs | But we want it to grab the plugin from this unmerged code. | 00:20 |
ramineni_ | ekcs: i did with OFFLINE=True, it took the unmerged code | 00:20 |
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ramineni_ | ekcs: If you dont keep RECLONE=True, it desnt checkout the new code i guess, so takes the changes | 00:21 |
ekcs | I see. Could you add a comment or commit message in gerrit telling someone exactly how to do it? it’ll save like at least half an hour of someone else trying to figure it out. | 00:21 |
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ramineni_ | ekcs: sure, will do that | 00:22 |
ekcs | thanks! | 00:22 |
ekcs | any other patches to discuss? | 00:22 |
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ramineni_ | nothing from my side | 00:23 |
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ekcs | ok let’s move on then. | 00:23 |
ekcs | #topic policy library | 00:24 |
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ekcs | ok back at policy library again! | 00:24 |
ekcs | I’ve been working on a spec for the policy library. Here are some issues/questions that came up as I did that. | 00:24 |
ekcs | I’ll put them down here and if there are thoughts now, please discuss. | 00:24 |
ekcs | If not, we can move on and leave discussion to gerrit. | 00:25 |
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ekcs | policy library spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457880/ | 00:25 |
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masahito | I'll check the spec | 00:25 |
ekcs | So the questions are: | 00:26 |
ekcs | 1. Assuming we want the policy files in yaml format, should we make the API itself accept yaml? or let GUI, client, and other users of the API convert yaml to json (straightforward)? | 00:26 |
ekcs | 2. If we decide for the API to accept yaml, when POSTing to ../policies?format=yaml, should the whole body be in yaml? or just the rules part? | 00:26 |
ekcs | 3. If we want policies in the library to be automatically updated in response to changes in the library directory, what do we do with multi-PE conflicts? | 00:26 |
masahito | For #1 it's better to only accept json format in server side. | 00:27 |
ekcs | masahito: makes sense. | 00:28 |
masahito | GUI and client parse the yaml to json and send a request. | 00:28 |
ekcs | Is thinrichs around? He suggested accepting yaml in API. | 00:28 |
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thinrichs | Yep | 00:28 |
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thinrichs | I guess I hadn't thought that far along | 00:29 |
thinrichs | The main thing to me was that people could write the policies in YAML | 00:29 |
thinrichs | But JSON seems a good approximation of that | 00:29 |
thinrichs | One thing I'm unclear on skimming thru the spec... | 00:30 |
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thinrichs | If someone adds a policy to the library via the API, is that getting saved to files on disk? | 00:30 |
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thinrichs | Or are the files on disk only useful for devstack/etc. to load the policy library? | 00:31 |
ekcs | So assume we write the policy files in YAML, there’s a choice between letting the API accept YAML, or letting the GUI/client/API caller convert the YAML to JSON. The main consideration is whether there would be an API caller that can’t easily to that conversion before calling. | 00:31 |
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ramineni_ | and one question, how are users going to custoimize the policicies in library, just editing the files in library? | 00:32 |
thinrichs | I think the YAML question might be answered by understanding how the files on disk relate to the policies in servers | 00:32 |
thinrichs | s/policies/policy libraries/ | 00:32 |
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thinrichs | One option is to create DB tables that store the policy library, and the files on disk are just used to populate that library. | 00:33 |
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thinrichs | So that would involve persisting the policy library via the DB, just like we persist the regular policies (and rules) today. | 00:33 |
ekcs | thinrichs: ok. I’m not sure yet. If we want a changed/added file to be reflected in the server library (as bryan_att suggested), then it seems we would also want to sync the changes to the server library back to the files. | 00:34 |
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thinrichs | I could imagine giving people an API that lets them download the current policy library and store them as YAML files. | 00:34 |
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thinrichs | But esp. with multiple policy servers, persisting to files sounds unwieldy | 00:35 |
ekcs | But the syncing can lead to complications when there are multiple PEs. So I’m not sure we should really do the syncing at this point. (we all see dropbox and services like that occassionally encountering conflicts that required manual resolution) | 00:35 |
ekcs | right. | 00:36 |
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ekcs | Personally I see the automatic update from changed files as a second/third order feature we could dispense with for now. | 00:37 |
thinrichs | I'd lean toward a model where we have APIs that make it easy to upload/download the files, but that the source of truth is always the DB | 00:37 |
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ekcs | thinrichs: I’m thinking the same way. | 00:37 |
masahito | I haven't read the spec yet, but the libraries store policy as a file? | 00:38 |
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masahito | I imagine DB only has a map, library name to policy/rule id and vice verse. then API only returns the collection of the policy/rule. | 00:39 |
ekcs | Here’s a good place to look at first real quick. #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/12f1VciulhT9yCYOc7jiulGiLT-tFpffLxNOpr-2QX2I/edit# | 00:39 |
ekcs | thinrichs put down proposed workflows. | 00:39 |
masahito | oops, ok. I'll also check. | 00:39 |
ekcs | masahito: that’s kind of like the short version of the spec. I’m writing the spec based on that short sketch. | 00:40 |
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ramineni_ | i think yaml accepts the customizable input through command line also? | 00:43 |
ramineni_ | but may be ill also check the spec first, confused why storing library in DB is required | 00:43 |
ekcs | masahito: What I put in the spec is there are two new DB tables. | 00:43 |
ekcs | * A librarypolicies table to store the policies in the policies library. | 00:44 |
ekcs | * A libraryrules table to store the rules in the policies in the policies library. | 00:44 |
ekcs | The question is whether to keep that in sync with the files on disk in the policy-library directory. | 00:45 |
masahito | I thought congress server only keeps the uri of the libraries. like file:///foo or http://bar | 00:46 |
ekcs | ramineni_: I suppose we don’t technically need both DB and file. Perhaps we could just have one of the other. | 00:46 |
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thinrichs | One thing I just realized: in the library we're thinking about policy+rules as the thing we are CRUDing, but in the existing policy API it's just the policy (not the rules) that we CRUD | 00:47 |
masahito | and reads the file from the uri, then it only create the library id in the table and use current policy/rule. | 00:48 |
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ramineni_ | and library policies are only templates , storing in file makes sense? and loading them with actual values can be stored in DB | 00:49 |
ekcs | masahito: I’m a littel confused. maybe tell us what tables and column you envision in your thinking? | 00:50 |
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ekcs | ramineni_: in thinrichs ’s sketch, the idea is to forgo the concept of templates for now, but store actual concrete policy rules in the policy library. then let the user simply edit the policy rules before importing into policy engine. | 00:51 |
masahito | ekcs: new tables are "policy library" table and "map of a policy library to a rule" to handle the new APIs. and using existing 'policies' table and 'policy_rules' table to handle rules in the library. | 00:52 |
masahito | ekcs: I'll comment details in the spec | 00:53 |
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ekcs | thinrichs: Not exactly sure what you mean. We do have CRUD of rules. #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/14hM7-GSm3CcyohPT2Q7GalyrQRohVcx77hxEx4AO4Bk/edit# The difference is before when you create a policy, it’s always empty. Now we want to allow creation of a policy with rules also provided in the request. Right? | 00:53 |
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ekcs | masahito: ok. one quick clarification, in what you’re describing, every rule in the policy library is also stored in the policy_rules table right? So it needs to have a flag saying it’s not enabled? | 00:54 |
masahito | ekcs: yes. | 00:55 |
thinrichs | Right. But we need to be careful when saying "policy": are we talking about the policy metadata that's stored in the DB today in the policy table, or are we talking about the policy metadata plus the rules and their metadata | 00:55 |
ekcs | Ok. glad we’re having this discussion because we have like 3-4 different understanding of how it’s done. | 00:56 |
ekcs | thinrichs: right. | 00:56 |
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ekcs | great start. let’s continue in gerrit =) | 00:56 |
ekcs | last 4 minutes anything else to talk about? | 00:56 |
ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:56 |
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ekcs | ok then =) | 00:59 |
ekcs | More next week? | 01:00 |
ekcs | bye all. | 01:00 |
thinrichs | Bye | 01:00 |
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ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 01:00:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-04-20-00.01.html | 01:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-04-20-00.01.txt | 01:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-04-20-00.01.log.html | 01:00 |
masahito | bye | 01:00 |
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zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 02:01:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:01 |
liusheng | o/ | 02:01 |
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zhenguo | liusheng, Xinran_, zhangyang: o/ | 02:02 |
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zhangyang | o/ | 02:02 |
Xinran_ | o/ | 02:03 |
zhenguo | seems others will be late | 02:03 |
zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:03 |
zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:03 |
zhenguo | let's jump in | 02:04 |
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zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:04 |
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zhenguo | The tempest gate is still broken :( | 02:04 |
zhenguo | sorry for the inconvenience | 02:04 |
liusheng | any ironic guy tring to fix that ? | 02:05 |
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zhenguo | liusheng: seems some gates turns to green, but still some fails | 02:05 |
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liusheng | zhenguo: :( | 02:06 |
zhenguo | liusheng: I will try to look into it today | 02:06 |
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zhenguo | another thing is we have replaced /types with /flavors in our URI. | 02:07 |
zhenguo | maybe also need to change /instances to /servers. | 02:07 |
liusheng | zhenguo: we can try to skip the tempest test if we are urgent to merge something | 02:08 |
liusheng | zhenguo: that is cool | 02:08 |
zhenguo | liusheng: hah, let's try to fix it instead make it non-voting :D | 02:08 |
liusheng | zhenguo: lol | 02:08 |
zhenguo | Mogan UI is comming, I will try to add the instances panel by this week | 02:09 |
zhenguo | maybe we need a separated panel group like Compute | 02:09 |
zhenguo | I would like to call it Bare Metal Compute | 02:09 |
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liusheng | zhenguo: awesome! | 02:10 |
zhenguo | with some panels like Compute, overview, instances, images, keypairs | 02:10 |
liusheng | zhenguo: you are horizon expert! | 02:10 |
zhenguo | liusheng: ol | 02:10 |
zhenguo | lol | 02:10 |
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zhenguo | but not sure if it's a good idea to totally separated from Compute | 02:11 |
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zhenguo | let's try to review the dashboard when it's ready | 02:11 |
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zhenguo | as we don't have any moganclient released, I added the python-moganclient repo to mogan-ui test requirements | 02:12 |
zhenguo | and a seperated devstack plugin like other horizon plugins | 02:13 |
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liusheng | zhenguo: maybe we can release moganclient in pypi | 02:13 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes, but maybe it's better to wait for the new flavor, wdyt? | 02:14 |
liusheng | zhenguo: yes, sure | 02:14 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: liusheng: I'm here | 02:14 |
shaohe_feng | morning all | 02:14 |
zhenguo | liusheng: as there's a way to add non released client to requirements, it's not that urgent :D | 02:14 |
liusheng | zhenguo: yes, I know that | 02:15 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:15 |
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zhenguo | shaohe_feng: hi, do you have anything want to talk in this topic :D | 02:17 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: Let me go through the msg | 02:17 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: what's change, about client? | 02:18 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: not client, we talk about whether we need to release the client | 02:19 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: does the OSIC affect you Intel guys :P | 02:19 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: waiting for msg :) | 02:20 |
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zhenguo | shaohe_feng: hah | 02:20 |
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shaohe_feng | zhenguo: we defer the client release just for the new flavor? | 02:21 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: not only | 02:21 |
zhenguo | as we still have many things to refactor maybe | 02:21 |
zhenguo | it's not stable | 02:21 |
zhenguo | and we don't have a strong requirement to release the client | 02:21 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: how many works for the client? | 02:22 |
liusheng | the releasing is also easy | 02:22 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: not much works, but we need to increase the client version number | 02:22 |
zhenguo | liusheng: sure | 02:23 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: OK. So it it not a emergency thing. | 02:23 |
zhenguo | yes, I think so | 02:23 |
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zhenguo | ok, if there's no other things, let's move on | 02:24 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: OK. maybe we can focus on the high priority | 02:24 |
zhenguo | yes | 02:24 |
zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:24 |
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zhenguo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mogan-task | 02:24 |
* zhenguo gives folks a few minutes to review | 02:24 | |
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zhenguo | for the new flavors, I would like to add a POC patch first | 02:26 |
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zhenguo | and I find we have a instance type projects table, but no access control exposed to users, really weired, hah | 02:28 |
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shaohe_feng | zhenguo: who will improve it? | 02:29 |
liusheng | zhenguo: I found that long ago | 02:29 |
liusheng | zhenguo: and seems I have asked some guy | 02:29 |
liusheng | zhenguo: lol | 02:30 |
zhenguo | hah, we can add that support first | 02:30 |
zhenguo | if there's no one want to take it, I will :D | 02:31 |
liusheng | zhenguo: do we need a separated instance type project table ? | 02:31 |
zhenguo | the access control URI may look like /flavors/flavor_uuid/access, wdyt? | 02:31 |
liusheng | zhenguo: or just add a column in instance_type ? | 02:32 |
zhenguo | liusheng: maybe it's better to be separated, for indexing | 02:32 |
liusheng | zhenguo: will check it more when reviewing :D | 02:33 |
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zhenguo | liusheng: and I'm thinking to make cpus, memory, disks, nics all inseperated tables from flavors | 02:33 |
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zhenguo | the keypairs patch is blocked by the gate | 02:34 |
liusheng | zhenguo: that may cause many tables association | 02:35 |
liusheng | zhenguo: yes | 02:35 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes, but not sure the advantages and disadvantages | 02:35 |
liusheng | zhenguo: but you can download the mogan patch and client patch to test the keypars commands :D | 02:35 |
zhenguo | liusheng: do you know why nova make all things separated from instances | 02:35 |
zhenguo | liusheng: sure, thanks for the big patch! | 02:36 |
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liusheng | zhenguo: np | 02:36 |
liusheng | zhenguo: not all things in Nova are separated from instances I think, may need to dig more. | 02:36 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes, let's look into it | 02:37 |
zhenguo | after the keypair patch landed, I will add it to configdrive | 02:37 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: Good. Keypair is too important to users. | 02:38 |
liusheng | zhenguo: that will be convenient for functionalities testing | 02:38 |
shaohe_feng | liusheng: Good job. | 02:39 |
zhenguo | but users may need to import nova keypairs to mogan, it's somewhat convoluted | 02:40 |
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zhenguo | but we can't use nova keypairs directly :( | 02:41 |
liusheng | hah, the keypair-create api provide two functionalities, 1. create a new keypair; 2. import an existing keypair | 02:41 |
liusheng | zhenguo: may that can help | 02:42 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: do you means user will deploy both nova and mogan? | 02:42 |
shaohe_feng | liusheng: import the existing keypair from nova? | 02:42 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes, they can import the keypairs for vm to mogan | 02:42 |
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zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes, nova for vms and mogan for bms, in a hybrid env | 02:43 |
liusheng | shaohe_feng: yes, the mogan db or Nova db only record the public key, and can be query | 02:43 |
shaohe_feng | then I think maybe keypairs put in nova DB is a not a good idea. | 02:43 |
shaohe_feng | myabe another project should take care keypairs. | 02:43 |
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zhenguo | yes, but we can't rely on nova keypairs API, as Mogan env is not with Nova always | 02:45 |
liusheng | shaohe_feng, zhenguo yes, we should consider the standalone scenario of mogan deployment | 02:45 |
zhenguo | yes | 02:45 |
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zhenguo | ok, instance fault patch seems ready | 02:46 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes. | 02:46 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: do you know why luyao implement the hasattr built-in function ? | 02:46 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes. | 02:47 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: the build_in method hasattr for python3 has different action with python2 | 02:47 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: it has side-effect | 02:47 |
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zhenguo | shaohe_feng: oh, | 02:48 |
zhenguo | do other projects implement it again? | 02:48 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: it try to load the "fault" attr, if can not load, py3 throw a exception. | 02:49 |
zhenguo | sorry, I don't get time to look through the whole patch | 02:49 |
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shaohe_feng | zhenguo: but python2 just pass it, and return false. | 02:49 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: you mean hasattr will raise exception? | 02:49 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes. just for py3 | 02:49 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: oh, tha't odd | 02:49 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: we can check other project. | 02:50 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: ok, thanks | 02:50 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: oh, maybe we can improve the version object lib. | 02:50 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: luyao's way can work around. | 02:50 |
liusheng | shaohe_feng: really, I just tested in py3, it return a False | 02:50 |
zhenguo | liusheng: you mean no exception? | 02:51 |
liusheng | zhenguo: yes | 02:51 |
liusheng | Python 3.5.2 (default, Nov 17 2016, 17:05:23) | 02:51 |
shaohe_feng | liusheng: zhenguo: we can check the py3 doc for hasattr | 02:51 |
liusheng | [GCC 5.4.0 20160609] on linux | 02:51 |
liusheng | Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. | 02:51 |
liusheng | >>> class test(object): pass | 02:51 |
liusheng | ... | 02:51 |
liusheng | >>> a=test() | 02:51 |
liusheng | >>> hasattr(a, 'aa') | 02:51 |
shaohe_feng | liusheng: yes, this example can work. | 02:52 |
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zhenguo | ok, we can check after the meeting | 02:52 |
zhenguo | seems no much time left | 02:52 |
zhenguo | zhangyang: hi, any update for cloudboot driver? | 02:53 |
zhenguo | Xinran_: how's the attach/detach interfaces work? | 02:53 |
shaohe_feng | liusheng: but fault field it use also python reflect to add it. some different with your test. | 02:53 |
liusheng | shaohe_feng: oh, got it. | 02:54 |
zhangyang | zhenguo: going to have a meeting with cloudboot guys today, and start coding next week. really slow :( | 02:54 |
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zhenguo | zhangyang: hah, | 02:54 |
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zhenguo | zhangyang: we can have a deep discussion during the bug smash. | 02:55 |
zhangyang | zhenguo: yeah, really expect that. | 02:55 |
zhenguo | zhangyang: :D | 02:55 |
zhenguo | liusheng: maybe you can update the eptherpad to move console task to Done :D | 02:56 |
Xinran_ | I plan to apply these two fonctions in the class InstanceNetworksController. Is it possible ? | 02:56 |
zhenguo | XinRan_: sure | 02:57 |
liusheng | zhenguo: oh, ok | 02:57 |
zhenguo | Xinran_: maybe networks/interfaces ? | 02:57 |
zhenguo | ok, we can discuss this more after the meeting | 02:59 |
zhenguo | anything else here? | 02:59 |
shaohe_feng | no | 02:59 |
zhenguo | ok | 02:59 |
zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 03:00 |
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zhenguo | who's got a thing:) | 03:00 |
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zhenguo | ok, It's almost time, thanks everyone for joining the meeting! | 03:00 |
zhenguo | #endmeeting | 03:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 03:01:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:01 |
liusheng | bye | 03:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-04-20-02.01.html | 03:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-04-20-02.01.txt | 03:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-04-20-02.01.log.html | 03:01 |
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ianychoi | Anyone for I18n meeting today? | 07:02 |
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tono | ok I am coming | 07:02 |
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jpich | Good morning | 07:03 |
ianychoi | tono, hi! jpich: hello :) | 07:03 |
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tono | good afternoon from Jakarta | 07:03 |
tono | Hello jpich | 07:04 |
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jpich | Hi tono :) Good morning from Ireland | 07:04 |
ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 07:04:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:04 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:04 |
ianychoi | #topic user survey translation support | 07:05 |
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ianychoi | During the 1st PTG, I met Lauren and after coming to my country, I started to talk with Heidy for user survey translation | 07:06 |
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tono | I have done the survey | 07:07 |
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ianychoi | tono, yep but it was in English | 07:07 |
ianychoi | s/Heidy/Heidi | 07:07 |
tono | They send me in bahasa Indonesia | 07:08 |
ianychoi | #link https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/survey-2017/landing?BackURL=/user-survey/survey-2017/ | 07:08 |
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ianychoi | tono, really? the link is in English but you saw questions in Indonesian? | 07:08 |
tono | Yep | 07:09 |
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ianychoi | That looks so nice :) At least, I saw questions in Korean | 07:10 |
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ianychoi | On early March, Heidi organized a meeting with me and Jimmy - www.openstack.org developer | 07:10 |
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ianychoi | At that time, we thought that translating user survey questions in Zanata would be so nice | 07:11 |
tono | I am still browsing the user survey | 07:11 |
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ianychoi | And a few hours ago, I have just seen that smarcet - also a developer on www.openstack.org and also openstackid authentication started work to create a pot file for user survey | 07:12 |
ianychoi | #link https://raw.githubusercontent.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/feature/survey_translation/gettext/pot/survey.pot | 07:12 |
ianychoi | I have heard that the pot file is not currently uploaded into Zanata but hope that it will be solved soon and then I think Zanata will support translation for user survey | 07:13 |
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tono | the user survey does not work very well in my PC | 07:13 |
ianychoi | tono, how the user survey did not work well? Not it does not work because the survey period was already finished | 07:14 |
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ianychoi | s/Not/Now | 07:14 |
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ianychoi | jpich, I have a question. How did you extract pot files from json files? Using some sort of Python libraries? | 07:17 |
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tono | I mean the link of the user survey not working very well, the link from yours | 07:18 |
jpich | ianychoi: It's a nodejs library (tripleo-ui runs on nodejs) of some sort, called json2pot. It's made to work specifically with the format used by react-intl though | 07:18 |
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ianychoi | jpich, aha.. I see thanks :) I am not sure how OpenStackWeb team created the pot file but I was curious because tripleo-ui and openstackweb are both in web sides | 07:20 |
ianychoi | tono, I see. It does not work well since the survey was finished | 07:20 |
jpich | :) | 07:20 |
ianychoi | Okay.. | 07:20 |
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ianychoi | #topic Zanata survey | 07:21 |
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ianychoi | #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeqxia866yOv1GZEmCqCenzT31RO6gzndJ1w7QetRr6NvGvfQ/viewform?usp=sf_link | 07:21 |
ianychoi | Please do this survey - the survey was initiated from Zanata development team. | 07:21 |
ianychoi | I will distribute it to openstack and openstack-dev mailing lists | 07:22 |
ianychoi | #action ianychoi will distribute Zanata survey questionnaires to openstack and openstack-dev mailing lists | 07:22 |
ianychoi | I hope that our feedback will improve Zanata better :) | 07:23 |
tono | I had filled the survey, and submitted | 07:23 |
ianychoi | tono, wow good :) | 07:23 |
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ianychoi | #topic Summit presentations | 07:25 |
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ianychoi | Since Summit presentations are not here, I would like to skip this topic. | 07:26 |
tono | ok | 07:26 |
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ianychoi | #topic Review on the last meeting items | 07:26 |
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ianychoi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-04-13-13.07.html | 07:27 |
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ianychoi | This is the last meeting minute and I have mentioned Stackalytics, python 3 support, and tagging for i18n | 07:27 |
ianychoi | For Stackalytics, I asked my colleague in Korea to see Stackalytics source codes. | 07:28 |
ianychoi | He is looking Stackalytics to support to see statistics by languages. | 07:28 |
ianychoi | By the way, during Forum, one interesting topic has been rised: "Should we kill Stackalytics ?" by ttx | 07:29 |
tono | what is the issue in those topics ? | 07:29 |
ianychoi | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/78 | 07:29 |
ianychoi | #link http://stackalytics.com/?metric=translations&language=indonesian | 07:30 |
ianychoi | tono, the link should list Indonesian translators but you now see all translators | 07:30 |
tono | Other Indonesians do not actively translate | 07:31 |
ianychoi | tono, yep but that would be another issue | 07:32 |
ianychoi | For python 3 support, AFAIK amotoki started his working. Let's more wait for such support during Pike cycle | 07:33 |
amotoki | it seems I was pinged. what? | 07:34 |
tono | stackalytics do not connect very well to other document menu | 07:34 |
ianychoi | amotoki, just informational : you are doing Python 3 support in I18n repository | 07:34 |
amotoki | ianychoi: actually it was blocked by 'importable python path' | 07:34 |
ianychoi | tono, would you identify which translation projects are not listed? | 07:34 |
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amotoki | i have no idea on python3 testing at now. without python 3 test, the blueprint is already completed. that's all | 07:35 |
tono | still trying to find them | 07:35 |
ianychoi | amotoki, oh really? Sorry I have not tracked with such thing. Okay.. You mean that Python 3 gate job with Jenkins for i18n repository is needed? | 07:36 |
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ianychoi | tono, yep if you find them later, please share to me or i18n mailing list | 07:37 |
amotoki | ianychoi: without testing, how can we prevent regressions? | 07:37 |
amotoki | we support python3 NOW, but I am not sure a new change is compatible with py3. | 07:37 |
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tono | ok, I got problem on my internet connection | 07:38 |
ianychoi | amotoki, agreed. So currently, my understanding is that i18n repository is needed to support to add Python 3 testing jobs - 1) in tox.ini and 2) adding Jenkins gate job | 07:39 |
ianychoi | And source codes are now compatible with Python 3. | 07:39 |
amotoki | ianychoi: but we need to import python modules to be tested into unit test codes | 07:40 |
ianychoi | amotoki, aha.... unit test codes... I see. Thanks - much clearer now | 07:40 |
amotoki | I proposed to move the code to importable paths but IIRC it was blocked by a discussion on i18n-tool? repo | 07:41 |
amotoki | and I abandoned my patch to keep my review list clean | 07:41 |
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ianychoi | amotoki, yep the things are related with i18n-tools. Now I think that adding more repositories is not a good idea. I will make it clearer soon. | 07:43 |
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ianychoi | amotoki, thanks. I might have missed some details. | 07:44 |
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amotoki | no problem. I am okay with either way | 07:44 |
ianychoi | amotoki, I see :) | 07:44 |
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ianychoi | And.. for i18n tagging (in openstack/governance to see which projects are managed with translations), I need to propose such tag in openstack/governance repository. | 07:45 |
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ianychoi | Recently, Docs team's "docs:follows-policy" tag has been merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445536/ | 07:46 |
ianychoi | I will propose i18n tagging similar with the details in that link | 07:46 |
ianychoi | #topic open discussions | 07:46 |
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jpich | Great :) | 07:46 |
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ianychoi | jpich, my English prevents me speeding up such work although we already discussed around two months ago (Pike PTG) :( | 07:47 |
jpich | No problems, these things take time | 07:47 |
ianychoi | But now the link is a good reference how to propose a tag | 07:47 |
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ianychoi | Any issues, topics, or questions on today meeting? | 07:48 |
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ianychoi | And.. personally, I have got a new job. | 07:50 |
jpich | Congratulations! | 07:50 |
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ianychoi | jpich, thanks you :) | 07:50 |
tono | For Indonesia translation, doc.oprnstack.org does not link very well to other document menu | 07:51 |
ianychoi | So I need to travel to Oslo next week to more discuss my responsibility in my new job | 07:51 |
ianychoi | After then, I will go to Boston Summit and come back to Korea | 07:51 |
jpich | Oslo!! Busy times | 07:52 |
ianychoi | It will be a long trip - total 3 weeks and I might not run IRC meetings for next 3 weeks. | 07:52 |
ianychoi | For the next IRC meeting, I will ask other meeting chairs to run the IRC meeting | 07:53 |
ianychoi | jpich, yep it would be much nearer to your country than Korea :) | 07:53 |
jpich | Yes!! Only one timezone apart I think (...or maybe two??!) | 07:53 |
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ianychoi | tono, which link? Please specify documents then I18n people can help your problems | 07:53 |
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ianychoi | tono, you better know Indonesian document status but i18n people from other countries have difficulty in seeing Indonesian documents. If you have such problems, please specify the document and say that you want to link such documents to docs.o.o. Then other i18n people will help you :) | 07:55 |
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ianychoi | jpich, I think so! | 07:55 |
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ianychoi | tono, your Internet connections seems not good today but fine :) | 07:56 |
tono | yep, | 07:56 |
ianychoi | tono, you better know Indonesian document status but i18n people from other countries have difficulty in seeing Indonesian documents. If you have such problems, please specify the document and say that you want to link such documents to docs.o.o. Then other i18n people will help you :) | 07:56 |
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ianychoi | (copying and pasting) | 07:56 |
tono | For Indonesia translation, doc.openstack.org does not link very well to other document menu | 07:57 |
ianychoi | tono, you want to link more documents in docs.openstack.org/id ? | 07:57 |
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ianychoi | tono, or Indonesian people usually see docs.openstack.org not docs.openstack.org/id ? | 07:58 |
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ianychoi | I originally understood the former | 07:58 |
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tono | OK, I will share the problems in i18n | 07:58 |
ianychoi | tono, thanks a lot :) | 07:59 |
tono | ok | 07:59 |
ianychoi | Thank you for participating in today irc meeting - tono, jpich and amotoki | 07:59 |
tono | By | 07:59 |
ianychoi | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 08:00:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-04-20-07.04.html | 08:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-04-20-07.04.txt | 08:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-04-20-07.04.log.html | 08:00 |
jpich | Thanks ianychoi :) | 08:00 |
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gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 09:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
gmann | who all here topday | 09:00 |
jordanP | o/ | 09:00 |
andreaf | o/ | 09:00 |
martinkopec | o/ | 09:00 |
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chandankumar | \o | 09:01 |
gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_April_20th_2017_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:01 |
gmann | ^^ today agenda | 09:01 |
gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 09:01 |
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gmann | seems like no open action item from last meeting | 09:01 |
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gmann | #topic The Forum, Boston | 09:01 |
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gmann | we have 1 sessions approved | 09:02 |
gmann | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/openid/login/?next=/cfp/details/111 | 09:02 |
andreaf | gmann: yeah I'm curious to see how that one turns out | 09:03 |
gmann | andreaf that was decided by TC? | 09:03 |
jordanP | I've just read the proposal, lgtm | 09:03 |
andreaf | there was a sessions review committee | 09:03 |
jordanP | I know Tempest is used in production at several places | 09:03 |
gmann | other seems rejected #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/openid/login/?next=/cfp/details/112 http://forumtopics.openstack.org/openid/login/?next=/cfp/details/113 | 09:03 |
andreaf | I don't think it was the TC | 09:03 |
gmann | ohk | 09:03 |
gmann | andreaf: whats the plan for that? | 09:04 |
andreaf | for the rejected ones? | 09:04 |
gmann | no approved one | 09:04 |
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gmann | andreaf: that is 40 min or 15 one? | 09:05 |
* gmann still get confused with Forum and onboard sessions | 09:05 | |
andreaf | I think it's a 40min one | 09:05 |
gmann | ok | 09:05 |
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chandankumar | gmann: andreaf what about hosting a hangout session or recorded session for the rejected forum topics after the summit and put it on youtube. just a thought | 09:06 |
andreaf | I plan to leave it really open ended - if no-one has feedback we can use it to answer questions | 09:06 |
gmann | andreaf: i see, any presentation etc from our side? | 09:07 |
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andreaf | gmann: I think this is more like a design session in the old summit - I will setup an etherpard with some details about our projects but that's about it | 09:08 |
gmann | chandankumar: we can see how much space/time we have in summit but not sure about recording | 09:08 |
gmann | andreaf: i see. cool | 09:08 |
andreaf | chandankumar: heh I was thinking about starting in the ML | 09:08 |
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andreaf | chandankumar: if there is enough interest we can setup some kind of meeting, IRC or hangout or whatever works best | 09:08 |
chandankumar | andreaf: that will be good. | 09:09 |
gmann | #action andreaf to setup etherpad for Forum session | 09:09 |
gmann | andreaf: ^^ | 09:09 |
andreaf | chandankumar: the main idea behind this cross-session is to have interactive discussion with folks so a recorded session might not be that effective | 09:09 |
gmann | Onboarding session: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-QA-onboarding | 09:09 |
chandankumar | andreaf: then ML would be a better idea | 09:09 |
andreaf | chandankumar: if there is enough to discuss when we get to the next PTG we will re-submit them there | 09:10 |
chandankumar | +1 | 09:10 |
gmann | feel free to put ideas on Onboarding etherpad | 09:10 |
gmann | andreaf: chandankumar yea. that will be nice | 09:10 |
gmann | i am hoping to have at least half a day for code sprint in summit or at least QA area with feature discussions | 09:11 |
gmann | including new developers | 09:11 |
andreaf | gmann: heh yeah I think there will be some space for unconference type of meetings | 09:11 |
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gmann | yea. | 09:12 |
gmann | i have my presentation on Monday so free for next 3 days :) | 09:12 |
gmann | till my boss doe not bother me :) | 09:13 |
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gmann | #topic Gate Stability - status update | 09:13 |
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gmann | something goes up in check queue | 09:13 |
gmann | #link https://goo.gl/ptPgEw | 09:13 |
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gmann | this one #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1355573 | 09:14 |
gmann | but i did not get chance to look into detail | 09:14 |
gmann | andreaf: jordanP any updates from your side | 09:14 |
jordanP | first I think we can say that most of the libvirt issues are gone | 09:14 |
jordanP | thanks to the usage of UCA packages | 09:14 |
jordanP | so the situation is much much better now | 09:14 |
gmann | \o/ | 09:14 |
andreaf | \o/ | 09:15 |
chandankumar | yay!! | 09:15 |
gmann | ceph job is failing due to pre merge of infra patch | 09:15 |
gmann | i am reverting that #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458349/ | 09:15 |
gmann | in case anyone curious about failure. | 09:15 |
gmann | i replied on ML also | 09:16 |
jordanP | we also have a couple of periodic job with 100% failure, but it's not a big deal to fix them | 09:16 |
gmann | yea 'all' job was broken since long and nobody noticed | 09:16 |
gmann | any suggestion to track those? track status in weekly meeting? | 09:17 |
jordanP | periodic jobs are not top priority, not sure it's worth to talk about them in meetings | 09:17 |
jordanP | just have a look at them from time to time | 09:17 |
gmann | at least we will have eyes on periodic job status | 09:17 |
jordanP | yeah | 09:17 |
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gmann | may be just status not any further discussion which take time in meeting | 09:18 |
jordanP | ok | 09:19 |
gmann | may be under gate stability we can check. and in agenda we can have link to have a glance | 09:19 |
gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:19 |
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andreaf | jordanP, gmann: we might want to have something like a periodic job liason or a rotation like for bug triage - I'll think about it | 09:19 |
gmann | andreaf: how about merging that in bug triage | 09:19 |
andreaf | gmann: yeah we could do that | 09:19 |
gmann | and same people can provide status instead of tracking separately | 09:19 |
gmann | ok | 09:20 |
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andreaf | gmann: ok can you add that on to the bug etherpad? | 09:20 |
gmann | sure | 09:20 |
gmann | #action gmann to add periodic job status tracking on bug triage etherpad | 09:20 |
gmann | on specs | 09:21 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:21 |
* andreaf forgot the power adapater and will run out of battery at some point... | 09:21 | |
gmann | we have HA testing spec updated from samP | 09:21 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443504/ | 09:21 |
gmann | i doubt i can have look into before summit | 09:21 |
gmann | if anyone else have time feel free to provide feedaback | 09:22 |
gmann | feedback | 09:22 |
andreaf | ok will do I didn't manage this time | 09:22 |
gmann | andreaf: thanks | 09:23 |
gmann | anything else on specs? | 09:23 |
andreaf | btw, the upgrade testing tools spec was abandoned - I assume the entire osic crue was affected by Intel pulling the plug on osic | 09:23 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449295/ | 09:23 |
andreaf | I didn't manage to talk to castulo yet though | 09:23 |
gmann | andreaf: yea, thats was not good for upstream | 09:23 |
gmann | OSIC folks doing great contribution on nova side too | 09:24 |
gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:25 |
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gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 09:25 |
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gmann | open review ^^ | 09:25 |
gmann | 1 thing we should merge first is cinder API version things | 09:26 |
gmann | i saw 1 patches doing cinder v3 tests and adding duplicate client for v3 also | 09:26 |
gmann | i hope we will go with non version client but its not clear that based on catalog_type is best approach | 09:27 |
gmann | oomichi might have something thinking about those | 09:27 |
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andreaf | gmann: ok I need to check back on those | 09:29 |
gmann | mainly we need to merge the v2 and v3 clients in single place and continue on v3 testing without adding duplicate client for v3 | 09:29 |
andreaf | ideally the catalog should be unversioned and a version list can be retrieved and cached or so (but it must be project independent) | 09:29 |
gmann | andreaf: yes, | 09:29 |
andreaf | I'm not quite sure what the status is on the catalog work | 09:29 |
gmann | currently those are version ed and devstack register diff endpoints for v2 and v3 under different catalog_type | 09:30 |
andreaf | yeah in devstack - that is not very nice | 09:30 |
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andreaf | from a Tempest side we still replace the version in the URL - an alternative could be to pull the list of versions and cache it somewhere to avoid the extra round trip every time | 09:31 |
gmann | #link https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/cinder#L383-L398 | 09:31 |
andreaf | but for now I think rewriting the version in the URL is still the best bet | 09:31 |
andreaf | I haven't heard of anyone having issues with that | 09:31 |
gmann | andreaf: and version things will be fetched from test case or clients? | 09:32 |
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gmann | andreaf: if from client then we have to have separate client classes with version overridden which i do not like actually | 09:32 |
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andreaf | gmann: if we wanted to avoid rewriting the version in the URL we could have a singleton which fetches the versioned URLs the first time | 09:33 |
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gmann | like this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442691/18/tempest/lib/services/volume/v3/volumes_client.py | 09:33 |
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gmann | andreaf: you mean depends on which version people/job want to run tests can be loaded on url at starting ? | 09:34 |
andreaf | gmann: yeah basically we can continue to assume that the URL contains v2 or v3 and just append that to the base URL like we do today | 09:34 |
gmann | andreaf: but that need dummy client class for each version like - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442691/18/tempest/lib/services/volume/v3/volumes_client.py | 09:35 |
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andreaf | gmann: I"m just talking about how we obtain the version specific endpoint | 09:36 |
gmann | ok. | 09:36 |
gmann | anyways let's discuss that separately. we know the where the prob is and we can find best solution | 09:36 |
andreaf | gmann: the proper way would be to get it from the catalog - but I think it's fine if we continue to just build it by hand like today | 09:36 |
andreaf | gmann: yeah let's move on | 09:36 |
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gmann | yea | 09:37 |
gmann | next is Bug Triage: | 09:37 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-qa-bug-triage | 09:37 |
gmann | it was mkopec turn this week | 09:37 |
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martinkopec | yes, I've confirmed two bugs | 09:37 |
martinkopec | and created a report in the etherpad | 09:37 |
gmann | thanks. | 09:37 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 09:37 |
gmann | martinkopec: anything urgent we need to check on any bug, like critical one etc | 09:38 |
andreaf | wow 8 high importance and 145 open! | 09:38 |
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martinkopec | gmann, I think it would be good to finish some bugs | 09:39 |
andreaf | martinkopec: thank you for doing the bug triage! :) | 09:39 |
martinkopec | because the number is quite huge | 09:39 |
andreaf | martinkopec: +1 | 09:39 |
martinkopec | *the number of open bugs | 09:39 |
gmann | martinkopec: yea. thanks a lot. | 09:39 |
gmann | open bugs we should kill | 09:39 |
andreaf | martinkopec: did you look in new bugs only or old ones as well? | 09:40 |
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martinkopec | andreaf, I looked on new bugs mainly | 09:40 |
andreaf | martinkopec: ok | 09:40 |
gmann | next turn is oomichi | 09:41 |
andreaf | we might want to do a bug smash at some point because the back log is growing too much now | 09:41 |
gmann | +1 | 09:41 |
andreaf | and I'm really sure the data is valid anymore - e.g. how can we have 8 high importance issue which are not addressed? | 09:41 |
gmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=High&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed | 09:42 |
gmann | ^^ high importance one | 09:42 |
gmann | few of them are very old | 09:42 |
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andreaf | for instance, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1609156, I forgot to mark it as resolved :P | 09:43 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1609156 in tempest "Test accounts periodic job is broken" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Andrea Frittoli (andrea-frittoli) | 09:43 |
gmann | heh. \o/ 1 less now :) | 09:43 |
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gmann | some are pending on patches side like #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392464/ | 09:44 |
gmann | let's move next | 09:44 |
gmann | #topic patrole | 09:44 |
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gmann | patrole team need suggestion on patrole release model | 09:45 |
gmann | there is ML #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115624.html | 09:45 |
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andreaf | is anyone around from Patrole? | 09:45 |
andreaf | gmann: yes thanks for replying to that | 09:45 |
gmann | i think they | 09:45 |
gmann | are online on 17utc | 09:46 |
gmann | IMO it should be brachless and release same way as Temepst | 09:46 |
andreaf | gmann: I guess patrole should run the release job eventually | 09:46 |
gmann | but more feedback suggestion are welcome | 09:46 |
gmann | +1 | 09:46 |
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andreaf | gmann: yeah branchless it to ensure consistency across releases which applies to policy testing as well | 09:47 |
gmann | yea. | 09:47 |
andreaf | gmann: one thing I'm really worried about patrole though is that there is all done by folks working from the same company | 09:47 |
andreaf | gmann: and the rest of us really as little involvement / insight into it | 09:48 |
gmann | only burden might be feature flag but policy things change very rarely in those term. at least i can tell from nova perspective | 09:48 |
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gmann | andreaf: yea thats true | 09:48 |
andreaf | gmann: we need to change that before we start investing more in Patrole I think | 09:48 |
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andreaf | but that's just my feeling | 09:48 |
gmann | andreaf: i occasionally review there but we should start putting review bandwidth there | 09:49 |
andreaf | well I would like for the Patrole folks to actively seek for new non-at&t contributors :) | 09:49 |
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andreaf | I will raise the point at the next meeting | 09:49 |
andreaf | honestly I won't have much bw to review patrole code myself | 09:49 |
gmann | true, contributor from different companies are key in upstream | 09:50 |
gmann | 10 min left let's move next | 09:50 |
gmann | #topic DevStack | 09:50 |
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andreaf | jordanP patch about swift services was merged :) | 09:51 |
jordanP | yeah, that's good | 09:51 |
gmann | nice. | 09:51 |
andreaf | jordanP: also sdague did a lot of work around uswgi | 09:51 |
gmann | yea | 09:51 |
jordanP | I think we are back to a normal memory consumption, but we should always be aware of it | 09:51 |
jordanP | I am not sure what the impact of uwsgi will be | 09:51 |
jordanP | in terms of memory | 09:52 |
jordanP | also, given that I feel we should stick to serial scenarios run and concurrency = 2 for api, we also should be very aware of the overall run time of our jobs | 09:52 |
jordanP | 1h20 is a lot already. And it's super hard to delete tests, so when new tests are added, we should make super sure it's not a duplicate test | 09:53 |
gmann | yes, +1 for serial on scenario | 09:53 |
andreaf | jordanP: yeah well it depends a lot on the test node, it can be below 1h in the best case | 09:54 |
andreaf | but I agree 1h 20' is a lot | 09:54 |
jordanP | for instanc https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458092/, it's all over 1hour | 09:54 |
andreaf | jordanP: if we manage to make gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-multinode-ubuntu-xenial-nv voting we could move all scenario tests there | 09:54 |
jordanP | 1h05 is the fastest job | 09:55 |
jordanP | yeah | 09:55 |
andreaf | jordanP: but I'm not sure having two jobs is really ideal either | 09:55 |
jordanP | but that multinode job is already slow, so not sure it will help | 09:55 |
jordanP | no, we have already too many jobs :) | 09:56 |
gmann | we should merge both | 09:56 |
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gmann | will it be too slow? | 09:56 |
andreaf | gmann: well we just separated them I don't think we should merge them back | 09:56 |
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gmann | not curerent scenario one. i mean multinode and scenario multinode | 09:57 |
andreaf | gmann, jordanP: if we increased concurrency to two in gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-multinode-ubuntu-xenial-nv, or even better if we removed some unnecessary scenario tests, the job would be much faster | 09:57 |
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gmann | if there is coverage somewhere else then we can remove otherwise we should not i think | 09:57 |
jordanP | andreaf, +1. We should skip some scenarios | 09:58 |
gmann | we should get rid of slow API tests if somehow we can | 09:58 |
gmann | 2 min left | 09:58 |
gmann | let's move | 09:58 |
jordanP | gmann, it's hard, slow api tests make sense, | 09:58 |
gmann | i will skip grenade and o-h | 09:58 |
jordanP | we can merge some API tests to not pay the setup cost twice | 09:58 |
jordanP | but this as some side effects | 09:58 |
jordanP | *has | 09:58 |
gmann | jordanP: humm | 09:58 |
gmann | #topic Destructive Testing | 09:59 |
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gmann | we already talked about it | 09:59 |
gmann | @topic open discussion | 09:59 |
andreaf | jordanP: perhaps we should have a review of our jobs with some proposals and discuss about it in the next meeting | 09:59 |
gmann | anything on open | 09:59 |
andreaf | jordanP: can you setup an etherpad for that? | 09:59 |
gmann | #topic open discussion | 09:59 |
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jordanP | andreaf, yes ! | 09:59 |
jordanP | will do | 09:59 |
andreaf | gmann: Tempest 16.0.0 is out | 10:00 |
gmann | jordanP: thanks | 10:00 |
andreaf | jordanP: thanks | 10:00 |
gmann | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 10:00:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-04-20-09.00.html | 10:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-04-20-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-04-20-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
andreaf | gmann: we use the release repo now | 10:00 |
gmann | andreaf: sorry let's jump to QA | 10:00 |
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mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 14:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
efried | \* | 14:00 |
lyarwood | \o | 14:00 |
edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
jaypipes | yo. | 14:00 |
johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:01 |
cdent | \o/ | 14:01 |
alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
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takashin | o/ | 14:01 |
mriedem | alright let's get started | 14:01 |
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mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
mriedem | #topic release news | 14:01 |
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mriedem | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
dansmith | o/ | 14:02 |
mriedem | #info Blueprints: 69 targeted, 63 approved, 3 completed | 14:02 |
jaypipes | no news is good news with gary gnu. | 14:02 |
mriedem | #link pike-1 recap and pike-2 focus: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115700.html | 14:02 |
mriedem | questions about release things? | 14:02 |
* bauzas waves a bit late | 14:02 | |
mdbooth | o/ | 14:02 |
johnthetubaguy | I like the checkpoint email, no real questions from me | 14:02 |
jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 14:02 |
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efried | +1 | 14:03 |
mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
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mriedem | no critical bugs in LP | 14:03 |
mriedem | new untriaged numbers have gone down, thanks in large part to efried going through those last week | 14:03 |
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mriedem | gate status is ok'ish | 14:04 |
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mriedem | there have been some nova py35 unit test failures, | 14:04 |
mriedem | melwitt has a fix for one | 14:04 |
mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458161/ | 14:04 |
mriedem | someone should +W that | 14:04 |
dansmith | oh I was going to ask | 14:04 |
dansmith | I'll look | 14:04 |
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mriedem | the other is some odd python stack dump / infinite recursion problem with oslo.confg | 14:04 |
mriedem | *config | 14:04 |
mriedem | i don't have a bug for that yet | 14:05 |
sfinucan | mriedem: example? | 14:05 |
mriedem | not handy | 14:05 |
sfinucan | (y) | 14:05 |
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mriedem | check the irc nova logs from yesterday where i'm talking to gcb | 14:05 |
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* sfinucan will take a look at that later | 14:05 | |
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mriedem | third party ci doesn't have much news, except jaypipes (and others) would like to know who's running the intel nfv 3rd party ci now that wznoinsk is gone | 14:06 |
efried | Somewhere around here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2017-04-19.log.html#t2017-04-19T14:44:18 | 14:06 |
mriedem | i'll try to follow up with sean mooney about the intel ci | 14:06 |
sfinucan | mriedem: Last I heard, it was another Intel team in...Poland | 14:07 |
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mriedem | ok | 14:07 |
jaypipes | sfinucan: no, it's the Irish team still I think. | 14:07 |
mriedem | i care less about ownership, | 14:07 |
mriedem | and more about what the status is | 14:07 |
jaypipes | sfinucan: sean was getting info on it for me. | 14:07 |
johnthetubaguy | good to have a contact when it breaks | 14:07 |
jaypipes | ya | 14:07 |
mriedem | yeah, true | 14:07 |
mriedem | final thing for bugs | 14:07 |
* johnthetubaguy notes the lack of "if" | 14:08 | |
mriedem | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115704.html Launchpad bugs cleaning day on Tuesday 4/25 | 14:08 |
mriedem | this is not the bug smash | 14:08 |
mriedem | this is going through old bugs in LP | 14:08 |
mriedem | and cleaning house | 14:08 |
mriedem | we did this almost exactly a year ago | 14:08 |
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mriedem | so mark your calendars | 14:08 |
mriedem | for fun | 14:08 |
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mriedem | i'll bring donuts | 14:09 |
mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:09 |
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mriedem | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:09 |
mriedem | #link Forum planning: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston2017 | 14:09 |
edleafe | mmmmm... donuts | 14:09 |
mriedem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming Forum discussion planning for nova (add your name if you are going) | 14:09 |
mriedem | #info Forum sessions: https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=forum | 14:09 |
mriedem | ^ is the actual for real schedule | 14:09 |
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efried | mriedem I had a question there. | 14:10 |
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mriedem | i'd encourage everyone to go through and start adding to their schedule | 14:10 |
johnthetubaguy | I wanted to advertise the VM & baremetal sessions | 14:10 |
mriedem | it's like 2-3 sessions to choose from for any given time slot | 14:10 |
efried | Other than sessions listed on the schedule, are there any general nova team meetups happening? | 14:10 |
mriedem | efried: nope, unless impromptu | 14:10 |
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johnthetubaguy | hoping to have groups of projects, including ourselves getting feedback from operators and API users | 14:10 |
efried | k, so the BOS-Nova-brainstorming etherpad topics will be covered... when? How? | 14:10 |
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mriedem | efried: honestly i haven't looked at the schedule from a high level to see if there are any big blocks of time where we won't be in scheduled sessions | 14:11 |
mriedem | efried: some of it is in existing sessions | 14:11 |
mriedem | when i filled out my M-Th schedule though i think there was only 1 slot where i didn't plan on going to anything | 14:11 |
efried | k, prolly that etherpad needs to be gone through and links to those sessions added where available. | 14:11 |
mriedem | sure | 14:11 |
johnthetubaguy | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18750/operating-the-vm-and-baremetal-platform-12 | 14:11 |
mriedem | #action mriedem to update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming with actual session links | 14:12 |
johnthetubaguy | just advertising that one, lots of nova things in there, I hope | 14:12 |
mriedem | the vm/bm ones are on my schedule | 14:12 |
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mriedem | anything else for the forum? | 14:13 |
mriedem | #topic Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 14:13 |
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mriedem | stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:13 |
mriedem | #help Need these stable/ocata backports merged for a regression fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata+topic:bug/1682693 | 14:13 |
mriedem | lyarwood already +2'ed those | 14:13 |
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mriedem | so need another stable core to take a look, dansmith / johnthetubaguy / bauzas | 14:13 |
* johnthetubaguy nods | 14:14 | |
bauzas | on it | 14:14 |
mriedem | stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:14 |
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mriedem | not a ton there, but same regression fix | 14:14 |
mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:14 |
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mriedem | dansmith: cells v2 | 14:14 |
dansmith | we had a meeting | 14:14 |
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mriedem | which i guess i missed... | 14:15 |
mriedem | oops | 14:15 |
dansmith | discussed the stuff that is open, like the quotas set | 14:15 |
dansmith | assigned all reviews to mriedem | 14:15 |
dansmith | that was pretty much it | 14:15 |
mriedem | ok | 14:15 |
mriedem | edleafe: scheduler | 14:15 |
edleafe | Spent nearly the entire meeting discussing the spec for claiming in the scheduler. | 14:15 |
edleafe | Very productive discussion; led to better understanding of the overall process. | 14:15 |
edleafe | Not much time for anything else :) | 14:15 |
edleafe | EOM | 14:15 |
jaypipes | assigned all work to mriedem. EOM. | 14:15 |
jaypipes | job done. | 14:15 |
edleafe | jaypipes: :) | 14:16 |
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mriedem | for those interested, the current snag is being discussed in the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437424/5/specs/pike/approved/placement-claims.rst | 14:16 |
* alex_xu just added another idea afernoon | 14:16 | |
mriedem | tdurakov: live migration? | 14:16 |
cdent | "current snag" sounds scary | 14:16 |
mriedem | there have been a few snags | 14:17 |
mriedem | this is the most recent | 14:17 |
mriedem | there is a reason we haven't done claims in the scheduler before... | 14:17 |
mriedem | alex_xu: api subteam meeting highlights? | 14:17 |
alex_xu | Talk about Johnthetubaguy and sdague works with keystone team on the new design of policy stuff | 14:17 |
alex_xu | Talk about Johnthetubaguy and sdague works with keystone team on the new design of policy stuff | 14:18 |
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alex_xu | cdent brings the patches for nova-api under wsgi up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457283/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457715/ | 14:18 |
alex_xu | sorry, copy failed | 14:18 |
alex_xu | that is all | 14:18 |
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mriedem | ok thanks | 14:18 |
mriedem | we have a few api deprecation changes up for review too, so making progress early on those | 14:18 |
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alex_xu | https://review.openstack.org/457181 and https://review.openstack.org/456504 | 14:19 |
mriedem | i should probably also bring up the list migrations API discussion from the ML in open discussion too... | 14:19 |
mriedem | alex_xu: also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457008/ is ready | 14:19 |
alex_xu | mriedem: cool | 14:20 |
mriedem | moving on | 14:20 |
mriedem | gibi: notifications meeting highlights? | 14:20 |
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mriedem | maybe he's not here - it was a productive meeting, | 14:20 |
mriedem | we settled on what to do about instance tags in notification payloads | 14:20 |
mriedem | and we're just going to put them in the instance.update payload for now | 14:20 |
mriedem | and the instance.create payload when Kevin_Zheng adds support to tag an instance at create time | 14:21 |
mriedem | gibi is going to take over putting bdms into the payload (needed for searchlight) | 14:21 |
mriedem | we sorted out what to do with soft_delete notifications in the local delete case in the api | 14:21 |
mriedem | with osic being done, we're going to have a slump in the versioned notification work | 14:22 |
mriedem | so that's an opportunity for people looking for something to work on | 14:22 |
mriedem | efried: powervm? | 14:22 |
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efried | No change since last week. https://review.openstack.org/438119 has mriedem +2, needs other core reviews; https://review.openstack.org/438598 is ready for core reviews. | 14:22 |
efried | I know these _seem_ intimidating, but the code is SO clean and pretty; they're a joy to review. | 14:22 |
efried | No, really. | 14:23 |
mriedem | sdague: want to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/438119 ? | 14:23 |
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mriedem | i'll just start harassing cores | 14:23 |
efried | Per mriedem http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115700.html we ought to be able to get up to console support in pike - those changes are all proposed and queued up. | 14:23 |
sdague | mriedem: will do | 14:23 |
efried | Thanks guys. | 14:23 |
mriedem | nova/cinder - current focus is still on starting the detach flows https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438750/ | 14:23 |
mriedem | ^ will probably be approved today | 14:24 |
mriedem | but there are a series of these since we do detach/terminate_connection all over the place | 14:24 |
mriedem | think swap volume, migration, rebuild, etc | 14:24 |
mriedem | (not shelve offload because we're dumb...) | 14:24 |
mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:24 |
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mriedem | nothing on the agenda | 14:25 |
mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:25 |
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mriedem | lyarwood: you're up | 14:25 |
lyarwood | I have a specless bp for https://review.openstack.org/391597 to remove duplicate encryptor code from nova that needs approval if anyone has time - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/switch-to-os-brick-encryptor-classes | 14:25 |
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mriedem | -1 on the patch :) | 14:26 |
lyarwood | but +1 on the bp? ;) | 14:26 |
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mriedem | probably | 14:27 |
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mriedem | are there any upgrade implications with this? | 14:27 |
* johnthetubaguy is curious about any config changes | 14:27 | |
mriedem | or is it just the same code, but from a library now? | 14:27 |
lyarwood | mriedem: nope, it's the same code in nova and os-brick | 14:27 |
lyarwood | johnthetubaguy: AFAIK there shouldn't be any introduced by this | 14:28 |
mriedem | i don't think we had any config for any of this before anyway | 14:28 |
mriedem | this actually removes some rootwrap entries which is nice, | 14:28 |
mriedem | since brick uses privsep | 14:28 |
johnthetubaguy | I guess with both use castellan, which has the conf | 14:29 |
mriedem | ok i'm +1 on the specless bp, albeit it's late | 14:29 |
mriedem | yeah the key manager is the only thing i think | 14:29 |
mriedem | the key manager is passed into brick it looks like | 14:29 |
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mriedem | johnthetubaguy: you ok with the specless bp? | 14:30 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, happy with the concept | 14:30 |
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mriedem | ok approved | 14:30 |
lyarwood | cool thanks | 14:30 |
mriedem | ok so the other thing i wanted to bring up, since it's block takashin, | 14:31 |
mriedem | is we had approved his spec to update the server migrations API to return all migration types, not just live migration | 14:31 |
mriedem | that's good, | 14:31 |
mriedem | but it also only returns in-progress live migrations, | 14:31 |
mriedem | in the ML i proposed that we return migrations of any status, and allow for a status filter query parameter if the client wants to filter on the server side | 14:32 |
mriedem | operators seemed to like that idea | 14:32 |
mriedem | since instance actions doesn't provide the same level of detail that we get from the migrations api | 14:32 |
johnthetubaguy | yes, I think sdague mentioned it was originally planned not to replace instance_actions or the "forth coming" tasks API | 14:32 |
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mriedem | after 3 years of hearing about the tasks api, | 14:32 |
mriedem | i don't give it any mind anymore | 14:33 |
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johnthetubaguy | but give thats a touch delayed... yeah, all status makes sense, if we are careful defining the different status codes and what they mean | 14:33 |
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mriedem | i figured we'd have a meta value for the status filter parameter called "inprogress" or something | 14:33 |
mriedem | since there are a few migration states that fall under that umbrella | 14:34 |
mriedem | i guess i'm looking for general agreement, and if so, i can amend the spec | 14:34 |
mriedem | i agree it's late, but we already approved takashin's spec but i've -2ed the code until we sort out this amendment idea, | 14:34 |
mriedem | in other words, i don't want to land this microversion, just to add another microversion later to expose all statues | 14:35 |
mriedem | *status | 14:35 |
mriedem | alex_xu: takashin: do you have any thoughts? | 14:35 |
alex_xu | I'm ok with that | 14:35 |
takashin | mriedem: the spec is for "abort cold migration" function. | 14:36 |
mriedem | takashin: the abort cold migration spec is for abort cold migration :) | 14:36 |
mriedem | this spec is about listing migrations | 14:36 |
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mriedem | we shouldn't munge the two concepts in my opinion | 14:36 |
mriedem | as it makes for a bad api experience | 14:36 |
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takashin | mriedem: We have to list the migrations to abort cold migration. | 14:37 |
mriedem | takashin: i agree | 14:37 |
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takashin | mriedem: So "in-progress" migration should be listed. | 14:37 |
mriedem | takashin: and it will be | 14:37 |
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mriedem | but so will completed migrations if you don't filter on status | 14:37 |
mriedem | ^ is what i'm proposing | 14:38 |
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mriedem | so that we can get out of this meeting, i can work on amending the spec with how i think this should look, and we can discuss it in the review | 14:38 |
alex_xu | or in default we only show in-progress migration, with flag all=true to show all the migrations | 14:39 |
alex_xu | yea | 14:39 |
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mriedem | alex_xu: i'm not a fan of that - we don't only list ACTIVE servers by default | 14:39 |
mriedem | anyway, we can discuss when i actually write something up | 14:39 |
takashin | There is a os-migrations API. | 14:39 |
mriedem | takashin: which says it's frozen | 14:39 |
takashin | It has been frozen. | 14:39 |
mriedem | takashin: alex_xu: let's discuss this in -nova after the meeting | 14:40 |
mriedem | did anyone have anything else? | 14:40 |
mriedem | nope. ok, thanks everyone | 14:40 |
mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 14:40:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-04-20-14.00.html | 14:40 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-04-20-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-04-20-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
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kevinbenton | armax, ihrachys, amotoki, mlavalle ping | 22:02 |
mlavalle | o/ | 22:02 |
ihrachys | o/ | 22:02 |
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kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 22:02:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:02 |
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trevormc | o/ | 22:03 |
armax | hi | 22:03 |
haleyb | hi | 22:03 |
kevinbenton | let's cruise through some RFE's | 22:03 |
kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:03 |
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kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1558812 | 22:05 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1558812 in neutron "[RFE] Enable adoption of an existing subnet into a subnetpool" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 22:05 |
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kevinbenton | this one has been discussed before and Carl gave a nice outline of what needs to be done | 22:05 |
mlavalle | yep, really nice | 22:05 |
armax | I thought that was approved at some point | 22:06 |
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mlavalle | and there is a patchset that was started by tidwellr | 22:06 |
armax | yeah | 22:06 |
kevinbenton | armax: looks like it went from approved to postponed | 22:06 |
armax | well the implementation is hairy | 22:06 |
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armax | and it stalled in making it robust enough to races etc | 22:06 |
kevinbenton | was the issue locking? | 22:07 |
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armax | I don’t recall, but Ryan struggled for a while | 22:07 |
armax | since we lost both carl and ryan in the process this stalled | 22:07 |
kevinbenton | the revision plugin may now offer us more guarantees with protection from races now | 22:07 |
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kevinbenton | since all subnet updates increment the network revision as part of their update | 22:08 |
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kevinbenton | i'm okay with approving this and re-examining the implementaiton | 22:09 |
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armax | I am thinking if we want to take a step back | 22:10 |
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armax | and look at all RFEs on the radar and try to stab at giving priorities | 22:10 |
mlavalle | yeap, I was about to propose the same | 22:10 |
armax | and then assess only those we feel like are higher priority for us | 22:11 |
mlavalle | with all the causalties lately, we need to look at the big picture | 22:11 |
armax | as much as I still believe that priorities are hard to estimate | 22:11 |
mlavalle | and regroup | 22:11 |
armax | mlavalle: exactly | 22:11 |
armax | I was ognna say | 22:11 |
ihrachys | right. we need to understand what's the state for things like port bindings and such. | 22:11 |
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armax | the landscape changed drastically in just a few months | 22:11 |
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mlavalle | just in this week | 22:12 |
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armax | we can’t just let folks work on what they fancy | 22:12 |
armax | as much as it’s useful | 22:12 |
kevinbenton | well we can | 22:12 |
armax | we have stuff that’s standing incomple | 22:12 |
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armax | incomplete | 22:12 |
kevinbenton | and they won't necessarily work on what we fancy is the issue | 22:12 |
armax | and that hurts more than something that’s not even started | 22:12 |
armax | kevinbenton: I understand | 22:13 |
armax | we can force people to work on stuff we want them to work | 22:13 |
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mlavalle | can't^^^ I think | 22:14 |
armax | what I am saying is that out of the lot of open RFEs | 22:14 |
armax | rather than treating them at the same priority, we should perhaps look at those that are more critical | 22:15 |
kevinbenton | isn't that what the priority field is for on blueprints? | 22:16 |
armax | at this point these are not blueprints yet though | 22:16 |
kevinbenton | i like to think of RFEs as sanity checks to see if we can allow them in the platform | 22:16 |
armax | ok | 22:16 |
kevinbenton | setting to rfe-approved doesn't mean we need to land them all | 22:16 |
armax | sure | 22:16 |
armax | but we approved this one already | 22:16 |
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armax | so it already makes sense | 22:17 |
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kevinbenton | ok, then we should get rid of rfe-postponed tag probably | 22:17 |
armax | no | 22:17 |
kevinbenton | and just track that with blueprint status | 22:17 |
armax | if we have an owner it shoudl go straight back to approved | 22:17 |
armax | there’s no point in going back to rfe | 22:17 |
armax | the discussion has already happened | 22:17 |
kevinbenton | then why did we spend 5 minutes talking about approving it? | 22:18 |
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kevinbenton | :) | 22:18 |
armax | not this one | 22:18 |
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armax | never mind, carry on | 22:19 |
kevinbenton | so what would you like to spend the meeting doing? | 22:19 |
kevinbenton | we can prioritize blueprings | 22:19 |
kevinbenton | blueprints | 22:19 |
kevinbenton | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron | 22:20 |
kevinbenton | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 22:20 |
armax | that’s fine, let’s go back to RFEs | 22:20 |
kevinbenton | so this one got hit pretty hard by cut back of intel/rackspace | 22:20 |
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kevinbenton | ihrachys: how many people do we have left working on OVO? | 22:21 |
ihrachys | 1.5 | 22:21 |
ihrachys | me and manjeet (I am .5 if you ask) | 22:22 |
kevinbenton | ack | 22:22 |
ihrachys | but that I am going to close. but I will fall back on some other upgrade related things. | 22:22 |
ihrachys | like the api extensions convergence | 22:22 |
ihrachys | I am going to postpone/defer/abandon that one | 22:22 |
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mlavalle | wasn't manjeets hit by the OSIC debacle? | 22:22 |
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ihrachys | mlavalle, he is one of those lucky who are not OSIC | 22:22 |
ihrachys | but ODL | 22:22 |
kevinbenton | electrocucuracha has this handy spreadsheet he sent me https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=1434170112 | 22:22 |
ihrachys | so he stays (for now) | 22:22 |
mlavalle | ahhh nice! | 22:22 |
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kevinbenton | ihrachys: is it possible for you to write-up an email highlighting what patches need volunteers to take over? | 22:24 |
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kevinbenton | ihrachys: and send it to the list | 22:24 |
ihrachys | ok ok | 22:24 |
kevinbenton | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-lib-networking-l2gw | 22:25 |
kevinbenton | armax: that is still in progress, right? | 22:25 |
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ihrachys | the link doesn't reflect the title | 22:25 |
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armax | let me fix tht | 22:25 |
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armax | I am heavily behind | 22:26 |
armax | but I still intend to work on it | 22:26 |
armax | if time lets me | 22:26 |
kevinbenton | do you think high priority status is necessary? | 22:26 |
armax | kevinbenton: btw we should bump the milestones | 22:26 |
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armax | we’re in p-2 right? | 22:26 |
kevinbenton | this isn't blocking anything other than stopping neutron imports | 22:26 |
kevinbenton | armax: you broke that link above | 22:27 |
armax | I did | 22:27 |
kevinbenton | armax: share us the new one please | 22:27 |
armax | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-lib-dynr | 22:27 |
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kevinbenton | armax: so what do you think about lowering the priority of this one since it's not operator/user visible | 22:28 |
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kevinbenton | ok | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | leaving it for now | 22:29 |
armax | fine by me | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | this one is the worrying one now | 22:30 |
kevinbenton | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/live-migration-portbinding | 22:30 |
armax | the sense of urgency came from the idea of accelerating the adoption of neutron-lib | 22:30 |
armax | but that’s not going to happen | 22:30 |
kevinbenton | i think we need to higher the priority of this portbinding work | 22:30 |
kevinbenton | because it's actually going to address multiple things | 22:30 |
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ihrachys | ++ | 22:30 |
kevinbenton | migrations between vif types IIUC requires this | 22:30 |
mlavalle | and Anindita was affected by the OSIC stuuf | 22:30 |
kevinbenton | and we need migrations between vif types to switch between mech drivers (as part of an upgrade) | 22:31 |
ihrachys | and also firewalls afaik | 22:31 |
kevinbenton | or as part of a switch between technologies (e.g. ref impl to OVN) | 22:31 |
kevinbenton | (iptables -> ovs native) | 22:31 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: ++ | 22:31 |
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ihrachys | I totally agree that should get High, but we need to understand if nova still thinks the same about it. | 22:32 |
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kevinbenton | johnthetubaguy: you awake? | 22:32 |
armax | probably not | 22:32 |
armax | we should ask ijw if he has resources he can spare | 22:33 |
armax | to work on this | 22:33 |
armax | he has a stake in this | 22:33 |
kevinbenton | +1, he was adamant at the PTG that all was needed was approval of the work | 22:33 |
ihrachys | armax, we may also have someone for the cause | 22:33 |
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armax | woot | 22:34 |
ihrachys | but not nova side :) | 22:34 |
ihrachys | (at least I am not aware of anyone yet) | 22:34 |
kevinbenton | i would like to put the priority of this one at medium | 22:35 |
kevinbenton | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/instance-ingress-bw-limit | 22:35 |
ihrachys | kevinbenton, I think Anindita is with us till end of next week, so it may make sense to dump her brain on the matter before she potentially leaves us | 22:35 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: ack | 22:36 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: i will reach out to her | 22:36 |
armax | kevinbenton: two priorities to chose from | 22:36 |
armax | low and higj | 22:36 |
armax | high | 22:36 |
kevinbenton | i see more | 22:36 |
kevinbenton | i will use more! | 22:36 |
ihrachys | for that qos one, we have a patch I believe | 22:36 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: right | 22:37 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: i've looked at it a couple of times | 22:37 |
ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449831/ | 22:37 |
ihrachys | yeah, it's pretty good | 22:37 |
ihrachys | I did too | 22:37 |
armax | kevinbenton: it’s pointless to use more than two | 22:37 |
kevinbenton | armax: well pretend all of them are low that aren't high | 22:37 |
kevinbenton | armax: problem solved | 22:37 |
ihrachys | it doesn't implement backend though I believe | 22:37 |
armax | (facepalm) | 22:37 |
ihrachys | oh there is another one for ovs bits https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457816/ | 22:38 |
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kevinbenton | i've heard multiple requests for this qos one, so it would be good if we can land it | 22:39 |
ihrachys | re prio, I am fine with High but will review nevertheless | 22:39 |
kevinbenton | MEDIUM | 22:39 |
mlavalle | que qos guys have a bi-weekly meeting, which I've been attending lately | 22:40 |
mlavalle | next one is this coming Tuesday | 22:40 |
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mlavalle | I can communicate to them | 22:40 |
mlavalle | this bump in priority | 22:40 |
armax | I am moving them back to LOW :) | 22:40 |
kevinbenton | mlavalle: looks like they are moving along pretty well already, but yeah tell them we are targeting PIke for sure | 22:41 |
kevinbenton | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/port-data-plane-status | 22:41 |
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kevinbenton | IIRC this merged | 22:41 |
mlavalle | yes, it is done | 22:41 |
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ihrachys | docs/tests/all good? | 22:41 |
kevinbenton | hmm, not sure about docs | 22:41 |
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kevinbenton | i think tests and whatnot were part of it | 22:41 |
ihrachys | api-ref? | 22:42 |
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mlavalle | api ref was merged | 22:42 |
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ihrachys | yeah I see it | 22:42 |
mlavalle | in neutron lib before the neutron side | 22:42 |
armax | as this is assigned to me as approved | 22:42 |
ihrachys | then I guess can be closed | 22:42 |
armax | approver | 22:42 |
armax | I should know the answer to these questions | 22:42 |
armax | I’ll find out and provide an update on teh whiteboard | 22:42 |
kevinbenton | armax: ok, i'll let you go through and identify the gaps | 22:42 |
mlavalle | the only missing piece is docs | 22:42 |
kevinbenton | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/native-l2pop | 22:43 |
kevinbenton | this may need a priority bump | 22:43 |
armax | is the assignee still around? | 22:44 |
kevinbenton | i'm still working out the issues, but trying to trigger l2pop functionality inside of push notiifcations is becoming really hacky and burdensome | 22:44 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: we still have venkata right? | 22:44 |
kevinbenton | or is he OVN? | 22:44 |
ihrachys | kevinbenton, ofc | 22:44 |
ihrachys | I think he is mostly with us | 22:44 |
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ihrachys | but I can check | 22:44 |
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kevinbenton | ack | 22:44 |
armax | I’ll like you to expand on teh hackiness but offline | 22:44 |
kevinbenton | well the issue is l2pop does things based on a magical hidden state machine of (STATUS, host_id) tuples | 22:45 |
armax | OFFLINE! | 22:45 |
kevinbenton | so if you fail to perform the correct incantations, the doors to connectivity fail to open | 22:45 |
kevinbenton | ok :) | 22:46 |
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kevinbenton | everything else on that list is fine with me for priority | 22:46 |
kevinbenton | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fetch-hostkey-from-port | 22:46 |
kevinbenton | that belongs to an RFE mlavalle and i discussed last week a bit | 22:46 |
kevinbenton | monty has even volunteered to help work it | 22:47 |
mlavalle | modred showed up yesterday in the Neutron channel | 22:47 |
mlavalle | thinking the meeting was yesterday | 22:47 |
armax | not sure what that means | 22:47 |
ihrachys | do we have anything written beyond this one sentence description? | 22:47 |
armax | is there more documented somewhere? | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: yeah | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | rfe | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | one sec | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1682247 | 22:48 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1682247 in neutron "Neutron should be able to fetch hostkeys for ports" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:48 |
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clarkb | tl;dr is give users of booted instances a secure ish way to get the hostkey so that you don't have to blindly trust on first boot | 22:48 |
kevinbenton | which has a link to an even more detailed spec | 22:48 |
mlavalle | yeah, he submitted the spec before the rfe | 22:48 |
armax | I am not sure I appreciate why that service must be neutron | 22:48 |
armax | I’ll look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456394/ | 22:49 |
kevinbenton | it requires a network probing of some sort | 22:49 |
kevinbenton | here is the digital ocean RFE :) https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/9307569-return-the-droplet-s-ssh-public-key-as-part-of-api | 22:49 |
armax | kevinbenton: probing such as? | 22:50 |
kevinbenton | armax: connecting to the instance on a TCP port to retrieve the ssh key | 22:51 |
ihrachys | so something from inside neutron (that would guarantee correct endpoint) fetch ssh fingers and expose via api? | 22:51 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: yep | 22:51 |
kevinbenton | ssh-keyscan as a service | 22:51 |
kevinbenton | SKaaS | 22:51 |
mlavalle | lol | 22:51 |
armax | kevinbenton: this makes no sense | 22:51 |
armax | at least at first glance | 22:52 |
kevinbenton | armax: i want an API to retrieve the ssh key of a server | 22:52 |
armax | you poke a TCP port and an ssh key is handed over to you? | 22:52 |
kevinbenton | armax: yes, this is how ssh works | 22:52 |
armax | but then why neutron? | 22:52 |
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armax | this might as well be nova | 22:52 |
ihrachys | armax, I am not sure you can safely do that from outside neutron (or nova) perimeter. | 22:52 |
kevinbenton | armax: neutron is the thing with access to the network | 22:52 |
kevinbenton | armax: nova does not have access | 22:53 |
armax | the service runs in a vm | 22:53 |
ihrachys | unless it doesn't | 22:53 |
kevinbenton | armax: what service? | 22:53 |
kevinbenton | the scanning thing? | 22:53 |
armax | assh | 22:53 |
armax | ssh | 22:53 |
armax | that’s ok, I’ll look at the spec | 22:53 |
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armax | no need to digress here | 22:53 |
kevinbenton | I, as a user, want to know the SSH hostkey of a new instance so I don't have to trust the first thing i get when i connect | 22:54 |
armax | I understand, all I am wondering at this point is whether this logic actually resides in neutron or not | 22:54 |
armax | I can have many ports connected to a VM | 22:54 |
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armax | wouldn’t I get the same key for if two ports were connected to the same VM? | 22:55 |
kevinbenton | most of the time, yes | 22:55 |
ihrachys | I suspect it's configurable | 22:55 |
kevinbenton | i'm sure you could configure sshd to listen differently on different ports | 22:55 |
armax | dunno if I ever saw that in practice | 22:56 |
armax | sounds like a nightmare | 22:56 |
ihrachys | quoting someone from stackoverflow "You can actually change where the SSH server looks for the key in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file with the HostKey /path/to/host/key setting." | 22:56 |
armax | anyway I am surprised we bypassed the RFE process altogether and give this blueprint for granted | 22:56 |
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kevinbenton | we didn't | 22:56 |
kevinbenton | pay attention! | 22:56 |
armax | I see no RFE bug | 22:56 |
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armax | linked here | 22:56 |
armax | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fetch-hostkey-from-port | 22:57 |
kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1682247 | 22:57 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1682247 in neutron "Neutron should be able to fetch hostkeys for ports" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:57 |
mlavalle | armax: that is because modred didn't know about the RFE process | 22:57 |
mlavalle | so he submitted the spec first | 22:57 |
armax | I see | 22:57 |
mlavalle | in fact, he wants to attend the meeting next week | 22:57 |
mlavalle | he couldn't make it today (he thought it was yesterday) | 22:57 |
mlavalle | and discuss the rfe | 22:58 |
kevinbenton | well that will give everyone time to read the RFE and think about it | 22:58 |
armax | sounds good | 22:58 |
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kevinbenton | a project could potentially live outside of neutron an leverage the neutron interface drivers to attach to tenant networks with admin privileges | 22:58 |
ihrachys | kevinbenton, or os-vif? :) | 22:59 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: yeah, if they are willing to accept use cases that aren't VMs | 22:59 |
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ihrachys | time | 23:00 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: early on i had suggested in a review to address agent-style plugging and they weren't interested | 23:00 |
kevinbenton | ack | 23:00 |
kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 23:00:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
armax | bye | 23:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-04-20-22.02.html | 23:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-04-20-22.02.txt | 23:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-04-20-22.02.log.html | 23:00 |
ihrachys | armax, glad to see you back | 23:00 |
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trevormc | kevinbenton, mlavalle I updated bug 1662650 like requested last week. | 23:00 |
openstack | bug 1662650 in neutron "[RFE] Advance configuration of SR-IOV ports- api extension" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662650 - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016) | 23:00 |
armax | I was never going away without saying goodbye | 23:00 |
armax | ;) | 23:00 |
armax | mine was just a temporary lapse of the reason | 23:01 |
mlavalle | o/ | 23:01 |
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ihrachys | that's cool | 23:01 |
kevinbenton | trevormc: thanks, we should be able to check it out next week | 23:01 |
mlavalle | armax: good to have you here :-) | 23:01 |
trevormc | awesome | 23:01 |
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armax | mlavalle: thanks! | 23:04 |
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