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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 03:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-04-18_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:00 |
| shubhams | Shubham | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| * eliqiao eli lurk | 03:00 | |
| FengShengqin | FengShengqin | 03:00 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining kevinz shubhams mkrai eliqiao FengShengqin | 03:01 |
| shu-mutou | Shu Muto | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining shu-mutou | 03:01 |
| lakerzhou | lakerzhou | 03:01 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: thanks for joining | 03:01 |
| hongbin | ok, let's get started | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| diga | o/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | 1. We will have a "Boston Summit" release by the end of April | 03:01 |
| hongbin | there are several patches i want to include in this release | 03:02 |
| hongbin | 1. the interactive execute feature | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445234/ | 03:02 |
| hongbin | 2. the kuryr integration patch | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #linkhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/453387/ | 03:02 |
| hongbin | would appreciate reviews on those two patches (although they are both big patches) | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | anything else that you want to be included? | 03:03 |
| mkrai | hongbin: can we get through all the patches for kuryr integration? | 03:03 |
| diga | we can include cinder-integration patch also | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: this is the kuryr integration patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453387/ | 03:04 |
| pksingh | Hello All | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: hey, welcome back | 03:04 |
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| pksingh | :) | 03:04 |
| hongbin | mkrai: from my point of view, merge this patch would be good enough: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453387/ | 03:05 |
| mkrai | hongbin: I see, will review it | 03:05 |
| hongbin | mkrai: there should be a few network api patches that are optional IMO | 03:05 |
| hongbin | mkrai: and i rely on you for the network api design :) | 03:05 |
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| mkrai | Sure will start working on it | 03:06 |
| hongbin | diga: for the cinder integration, we can include it if it can make it before the release | 03:06 |
| diga | hongbin: yeah, I need your time to bypass the gate, let me know so that we can work on it | 03:07 |
| hongbin | mkrai: thanks | 03:07 |
| diga | hongbin: may be today/tomorrow, anytime | 03:07 |
| mkrai | +1 for cinder integration if we can make it | 03:07 |
| hongbin | diga: sure, i will help you for that | 03:07 |
| hongbin | ok, any other announccement from you guys? | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | ok, advance topic | 03:08 |
| diga | hongbin: thank you | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:08 | |
| hongbin | 1. Hongbin help diga to get the cinder integration patch passed the gate (PENDING) | 03:09 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429943/ | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | #action hongbin help diga to get the cinder integration patch passed the gate | 03:09 |
| hongbin | will do that this week | 03:09 |
| hongbin | 2. Everyone review the zun ui ehterpad | 03:09 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-zun-ui | 03:09 |
| diga | hongbin: I will update the PS in sometime, so that we can work gate job process | 03:09 |
| hongbin | do everyone have a chance to look at the etherpad? | 03:10 |
| hongbin | diga: ack | 03:10 |
| pksingh | looking the etherpad | 03:10 |
| mkrai | Looking at it now | 03:10 |
| hongbin | ok, let's pause for a minute | 03:11 |
| hongbin | thanks shu-mutou for fixing the two high priority item | 03:11 |
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| shu-mutou | sure! | 03:12 |
| hongbin | i will figure out how to fix the third one | 03:12 |
| mkrai | shu-mutou: after we support the image panel, will it show up the available images in drop down menu? | 03:13 |
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| shu-mutou | mkrai: yes. | 03:13 |
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| mkrai | Ok | 03:14 |
| mkrai | Rest looks good to me. Thanks shu-mutou | 03:14 |
| pksingh | i need to install latest UI in my devstack | 03:14 |
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| hongbin | ok, are everyone happy with the list in the etherpad | 03:14 |
| shu-mutou | thanks everyone! | 03:14 |
| pksingh | +1 | 03:14 |
| mkrai | +1 | 03:14 |
| shubhams | +! | 03:15 |
| shubhams | +1 | 03:15 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:15 |
| hongbin | seems the etherpad is good for everyone | 03:15 |
| diga | +1 | 03:15 |
| hongbin | 3. Shunli created a bp for descriping anti-infinity scheduling use cases (DONE) | 03:15 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/container-anti-affinity-policy | 03:15 |
| hongbin | that conclude the action items | 03:16 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (diga) | 03:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (diga) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:16 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration The BP | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | diga: seems we already talk about this bp, anything else you want to add? | 03:16 |
| diga | nothing from my side | 03:16 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:17 |
| hongbin | then, let's advance topic | 03:17 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr integration (hongbin) | 03:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kuryr integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:17 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/kuryr-integration The BP | 03:17 |
| hongbin | here is the first patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453387/ | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453387/ | 03:17 |
| hongbin | this patch is big, let me explain what it does | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | basically, when a user create a container, this patch will try to find an available neutron network (i.e. private) | 03:18 |
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| hongbin | then, find its subnets/gateway/cidr etc | 03:18 |
| hongbin | use all the information to compile a list of parameter for a api call to docker to create a docker network | 03:19 |
| hongbin | when the container is joining the network, zun will create a neutron port | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | then, pass the ip address of the port on the container creation | 03:20 |
| hongbin | as a result, kuryr will pick up the pre-created neutron port and plug the container to it | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | so far, everything is done in the backgroup, the api is the same as before | 03:21 |
| hongbin | in the future, we might need an option to specify the neutron network to create the container (right now, it is auto-select) | 03:21 |
| hongbin | then, it might need a network api to manage the created docker network | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | however, that is optional for the demo in boston summit | 03:22 |
| hongbin | that is everything from my side | 03:23 |
| hongbin | questions? | 03:23 |
| pksingh | hongbin, so each container may be created in different network? | 03:23 |
| mkrai | How is the private network selected in case of multiple network? | 03:24 |
| hongbin | pksingh: it will be created in the same network if they are in the same tenant | 03:24 |
| pksingh | ok, my next question would be same as mkrai :) | 03:24 |
| hongbin | mkrai: it will choose the first available network | 03:24 |
| hongbin | the logic is in the method: _get_available_network | 03:25 |
| hongbin | at here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453387/9/zun/container/docker/driver.py , line #500 | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | the chosen network don't have to be 'private' | 03:26 |
| hongbin | however, it will be a usable network | 03:26 |
| hongbin | (the network selection logic was copied from nova) | 03:26 |
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| hongbin | however, it would be nice if there is an option to select the network | 03:27 |
| hongbin | which is a future work | 03:27 |
| mkrai | Then we would end up to land all the containers in only one network | 03:27 |
| mkrai | Yes I also think so | 03:27 |
| hongbin | mkrai: yes, if auto-select, all containers will be on the same network | 03:27 |
| pksingh | nets[0] would be same for all containers? | 03:28 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: what is nets[0]? | 03:28 |
| pksingh | what if some networrks are added? | 03:28 |
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| pksingh | line #507 in same file | 03:28 |
| mkrai | that is the first available network as you said | 03:29 |
| hongbin | pksingh: i see, if some networks are added, it might pick another network | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | it just pick the first network at the time the container is created | 03:29 |
| pksingh | so it may be different for different containers, do we need to fix it or it is not necessary as of now? | 03:30 |
| diga | pksingh: we can keep same network for host containers | 03:31 |
| hongbin | i think the fix would be adding an option like "zun run --net=xxx nginx ..." | 03:31 |
| diga | yeah | 03:31 |
| pksingh | for time being in auto select can we sort by creation time? | 03:32 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: what if the container have more than 1 nics/network? | 03:32 |
| hongbin | pksingh: yes, that is an option | 03:32 |
| hongbin | pksingh: however, the first created network will be deleted later | 03:32 |
| hongbin | pksingh: so there is no way to pick the same network as before | 03:32 |
| pksingh | ok | 03:33 |
| shu-mutou | hongbin: does it not use kuryr for now? | 03:33 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: right now, container can have only 1 nic | 03:33 |
| eliqiao | ok. | 03:33 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: containers with multiple nics is future work | 03:33 |
| eliqiao | good to know, thx hongbin | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | shu-mutou: it use kuryr as a docker network driver | 03:34 |
| pksingh | hongbin: will look into PS today, will put my thoughts there | 03:34 |
| hongbin | pksingh: thx | 03:34 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Also do we go and use the next available network, if we have used up all the ips in one network? | 03:35 |
| shu-mutou | do you mean that available nets are using kuryr? | 03:35 |
| hongbin | mkrai: that might be a good idea, i would leave it as future work | 03:35 |
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| mkrai | hongbin: Ok | 03:36 |
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| hongbin | shu-mutou: the available net is a neutron net | 03:36 |
| hongbin | shu-mutou: however, zun passes it to docker and docker calls kuryr-libnetwork to create the container network | 03:37 |
| shu-mutou | hongbin: are they bridged to kuryr nets? | 03:37 |
| hongbin | shu-mutou: kuryr doesn't have network | 03:37 |
| hongbin | shu-mutou: i guess you mean docker net? | 03:37 |
| shu-mutou | ah, yes. created by kuryr. | 03:37 |
| hongbin | shu-mutou: docker-net is basically a wrapper of neutron net (if powered by kuryr) | 03:37 |
| hongbin | from end-users point of view, they only see the neutron network | 03:38 |
| hongbin | docker network is somehow internal to zun | 03:38 |
| hongbin | ok, we need to advance topic for new | 03:39 |
| hongbin | now | 03:39 |
| shu-mutou | hongbin: thanks. I'll be proceeding more to investigate kuryr. | 03:39 |
| hongbin | please leave your comments in the review if you have further question | 03:39 |
| hongbin | shu-mutou: ack | 03:39 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition | 03:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:39 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437759/ | 03:39 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:39 |
| kevinz | Hi all | 03:40 |
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| kevinz | I've upload all the info (about capsule yaml format, API) to this spec. | 03:40 |
| kevinz | So it will be great if you can give a review about this :-) | 03:41 |
| kevinz | The capsule format is mostly like Pod in K8s. | 03:41 |
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| hongbin | yes, the sample yaml file explains the format very well | 03:43 |
| hongbin | i like that | 03:43 |
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| pksingh | kevinz: i will try to review by today | 03:43 |
| kevinz | pksingh: Thx a lot | 03:43 |
| hongbin | yes, another big patch to review, i could imagine zun cores will be very busy these weeks :) | 03:43 |
| mkrai | :) | 03:44 |
| kevinz | HaHa | 03:44 |
| hongbin | ok, any further question about bp ? | 03:44 |
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| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:45 |
| hongbin | #topic Reset the state of container | 03:45 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456172/ | 03:45 |
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| hongbin | i am not sure about this one, want to bring it up to discuss | 03:45 |
| pksingh | i looked into the issue, | 03:46 |
| hongbin | basically, this patch proposed a command to set the state of the container directly into the db | 03:46 |
| pksingh | as much i know, we can delete any container with force option? | 03:46 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:46 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: what do you think about the idea | 03:48 |
| hongbin | pksingh: good idea? bad idea? | 03:48 |
| pksingh | hongbin: i was thinking now we can start/restart container in error state, and we can delete any container using force option | 03:48 |
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| pksingh | hongbin: i think its not necessary | 03:48 |
| hongbin | pksingh: ack | 03:48 |
| hongbin | mkrai: kevinz what do you think? | 03:49 |
| mkrai | hongbin: this sets the state to ? | 03:49 |
| mkrai | I didn't get the use case properly | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | basically, this command can set the container to any state | 03:49 |
| mkrai | I need to look into the spec and will post my thoughts there | 03:49 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | then, let's table this one | 03:50 |
| kevinz | hongbin: if just set status in db, I think I agree with pksingh | 03:50 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ack | 03:50 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:51 |
| pksingh | hongbin: why PAUSED state is not there in force delete https://github.com/openstack/zun/blob/master/zun/common/utils.py#L40 | 03:51 |
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| pksingh | any specific reasons | 03:51 |
| hongbin | pksingh: because docker doesn't allow it | 03:51 |
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| pksingh | hongbin: ok | 03:51 |
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| mkrai | From the discussion, it seems it is not making much sense | 03:52 |
| hongbin | ok, then i will comment on the patch about that | 03:52 |
| hongbin | i am not sure why nova has the reset-state command | 03:53 |
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| pksingh | hongbin: may we can ask from them and then we take action on our patch | 03:53 |
| hongbin | pksingh: sure | 03:54 |
| hongbin | i will ask the nova core i know | 03:54 |
| pksingh | hongbin: that would be great :) | 03:54 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:54 |
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| FengShengqin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/zun/+bug/1682011 | 03:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1682011 in Zun "Check the status of sandbox container" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to <email address hidden> (feng-shengqin) | 03:55 |
| hongbin | all, any other topic that needs a team discussion? | 03:55 |
| hongbin | FengShengqin: reading the bug | 03:56 |
| FengShengqin | need check sandbox when check the state of container? | 03:56 |
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| hongbin | this is odd | 03:58 |
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| hongbin | if the sandbox is stopped, the real container is supposed to be stopped | 03:58 |
| hongbin | no idea why it still alive | 03:58 |
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| hongbin | anyway | 03:59 |
| hongbin | FengShengqin: i need to give it more thoughts | 03:59 |
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| hongbin | FengShengqin: let's continue the discussion at openstack-zun channel | 04:00 |
| FengShengqin | OK | 04:00 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining | 04:00 |
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| hongbin | see you | 04:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 04:00:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-04-18-03.00.html | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-04-18-03.00.txt | 04:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-04-18-03.00.log.html | 04:00 |
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| sagara | hi | 04:02 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi all | 04:03 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:03 |
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| abhishek_k | o/ | 04:03 |
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| samP__ | hi..o/ | 04:05 |
| tpatil | o/ | 04:05 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | hi | 04:05 |
| rkmrHonjo | hi | 04:05 |
| sagara | ih | 04:05 |
| sagara | hi | 04:05 |
| samP__ | sorry.. I will be bit late.. could some one please start the meeting? | 04:05 |
| samP__ | hi all.. | 04:05 |
| samP__ | for python-masakariclients, pip package versions are fixed.. | 04:06 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samP: thanks. | 04:06 |
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| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Do you want to chair today's Masakari meeting? | 04:07 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: OK, I do it. | 04:07 |
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| rkmrHonjo | #topic High priority items | 04:08 |
| tpatil | #startmeeting masakari | 04:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 04:08:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tpatil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:08 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:08 |
| rkmrHonjo | Oh, sorry... | 04:08 |
| rkmrHonjo | #topic High priority items | 04:09 |
| rkmrHonjo | Do you have high priority items? | 04:09 |
| tpatil | https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1663513 | 04:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663513 in masakari "Masakari failed to rescue PAUSED instances" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:09 |
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| tpatil | There is one minor comment from you on patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454721/ | 04:09 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: yes. | 04:10 |
| tpatil | I don't see that's a big issue, I think Dinesh intention to put instance uuid in single quote is to highlight uuid in the log message which looks good to me | 04:10 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: hm...OK, I add +1 to that patch. | 04:11 |
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| tpatil | Thank you | 04:11 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:11 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Can we go to next topic? | 04:12 |
| tpatil | yes | 04:12 |
| sagara | yes | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | thanks. | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 04:12 |
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| rkmrHonjo | There are some patches that aren't reviewed. Please review if you can. https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/masakari | 04:14 |
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| rkmrHonjo | e.g. Use DDT to reduce test code duplication https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424549/ | 04:14 |
| tpatil | Sure | 04:14 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Thank you. | 04:15 |
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| rkmrHonjo | any other bugs? | 04:15 |
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| sagara | no | 04:16 |
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| rkmrHonjo | #topic Discussion points | 04:17 |
| rkmrHonjo | "recovery method customization" and "Pike work Items" are written on wiki, but wiki was not updated sicne last week. | 04:17 |
| rkmrHonjo | Do you want to discuss about those items? | 04:17 |
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| sagara | last week, Sampath-san created a draft version of it. | 04:18 |
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| sagara | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-recovery-method-customization | 04:18 |
| sagara | I will add it to masakari-spec repo later. | 04:18 |
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| tpatil | Abhishek has completed a POC to read YAML file in which actions will be added by Operator for each notification type | 04:19 |
| tpatil | this YAML information will be used to create task workflow | 04:19 |
| rkmrHonjo | #action sagara add masakari-recovery-method-customization spec to masakari-spec repo | 04:19 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Great. Will Abhishek push it to gerrit? | 04:20 |
| sagara | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:20 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: yes | 04:20 |
| tpatil | He will cover the specs for the existing workflow in the master code. | 04:21 |
| tpatil | There are several new action added in the above etherpad url which needs discussion | 04:21 |
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| tpatil | He will cover all actions added in "Current recovery action in Masakari" section | 04:23 |
| tpatil | Some of the action added "Other possiable recovery actions" are self-explanatory, except last one "triggering crash dump in a server" | 04:24 |
| rkmrHonjo | Is changing host aggregate unnecessary? | 04:24 |
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| abhishek_k | tpatil, rkmrhonjo: As this workflow is configurable, so when operator changes the workflow in configuration file then he needs to restart the engine servuce | 04:25 |
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| abhishek_k | s/servuce/service | 04:25 |
| tpatil | That can be handled in SIGHUP signal, we can reload the config file by handing this signal | 04:26 |
| abhishek_k | tptil: ok | 04:27 |
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| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: host Aggregate code will remain as it is | 04:27 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Is it configurable? | 04:28 |
| tpatil | yes using add_reserved_host_to_aggregate option | 04:28 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: ok. thank you for explaining. | 04:28 |
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| rkmrHonjo | any other discussions? | 04:29 |
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| tpatil | triggering crash dump in a server: does that mean we should take kernel crash dump of the specified server | 04:31 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Sorry, what is that topic...? | 04:33 |
| tpatil | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-recovery-method-customization, Line #24 | 04:33 |
| rkmrHonjo | Ah, I find it in Other possiable recovery actions section. | 04:33 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: thanks. | 04:34 |
| sagara | tpatil: I think so, but I think we had better confirming it Sampath-san | 04:34 |
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| tpatil | sagara: Ok | 04:34 |
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| rkmrHonjo | ok, let's go to next topic. Please talk in AOB if you have other topics. | 04:37 |
| rkmrHonjo | #topic AOB | 04:37 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Do you want to finish this meeting? Or wait for samP until UTC 5:00(=JST 14:00)? | 04:37 |
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| tpatil | We will discuss with samP on openstack-masakari channel about recovery_method_customization topic | 04:40 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: OK. Then can we finish this meeting? | 04:41 |
| sagara | yes | 04:41 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | yes | 04:42 |
| rkmrHonjo | Thanks. I finish this meeting after that. Let's go to openstack-masakari channel. | 04:42 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | thank you all | 04:42 |
| sagara | thanks | 04:42 |
| tpatil | Thanks | 04:42 |
| rkmrHonjo | thanks. | 04:42 |
| rkmrHonjo | #endmeeting | 04:43 |
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| tpatil | I have to end this meeting as I had started it | 04:44 |
| tpatil | #endmeeting | 04:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 04:44:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-04-18-04.08.html | 04:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-04-18-04.08.txt | 04:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-04-18-04.08.log.html | 04:44 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Oh, thank you... | 04:45 |
| sagara | tpatil, rkmrHonjo: I've learned it, thank you | 04:46 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 13:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:01 |
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| XueFeng | hi,all | 13:03 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:03 |
| Qiming | hi | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | yanyan just texted me that he won't be able to join us today | 13:04 |
| XueFeng | ok | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | #topic pike work items | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:05 | |
| Qiming | let's get started | 13:05 |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-pike-workitems | 13:05 |
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| XueFeng | ok | 13:05 |
| Qiming | API version conversion bug has been fixed | 13:05 |
| Qiming | so .. I'm removing that item | 13:06 |
| Qiming | VDU profile i.e. feature rich server | 13:06 |
| Qiming | any update, elynn ? | 13:06 |
| elynn | No update... | 13:06 |
| elynn | haven't got time to do it... | 13:06 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:06 |
| elynn | I will try to upload patches before summit | 13:07 |
| Qiming | cluster check redesign, no progress afaik | 13:07 |
| XueFeng | yes, Qiming | 13:07 |
| XueFeng | debug tacker+senlin | 13:07 |
| XueFeng | these day | 13:07 |
| Qiming | node adopt, two patches for review | 13:07 |
| XueFeng | with xuhaiwei | 13:08 |
| XueFeng | ok, will review | 13:08 |
| Qiming | good, you may want to write another article when the integration is done, :) | 13:08 |
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| XueFeng | and CMCC yaofenghua send a mail to me | 13:08 |
| XueFeng | about node adopt the also need | 13:09 |
| Qiming | from suzhou or beijing? | 13:09 |
| XueFeng | haha,Qiming, yes | 13:09 |
| XueFeng | We will write | 13:09 |
| Qiming | cool, will be good news for NFV users | 13:09 |
| XueFeng | Maybe suzhou | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | alright, pls help review the two patches | 13:10 |
| XueFeng | ok, I will:) | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | then I'll proceed on the api level changes | 13:10 |
| Qiming | scaling improvements, mostly by ruijie | 13:10 |
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| lixinhui | hi | 13:11 |
| Qiming | haven't heard a thing from him | 13:11 |
| XueFeng | hi,xinhui | 13:11 |
| Qiming | oh, our godess finally shows up | 13:11 |
| lixinhui | Sorry for the late dail in | 13:11 |
| elynn | haha | 13:11 |
| lixinhui | :) | 13:11 |
| XueFeng | ruijie also have serval patches need to be review | 13:12 |
| Qiming | we are on senlin pike work items, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-pike-workitems | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | I think I have left comments to most of his patches if not all | 13:13 |
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| XueFeng | yes | 13:13 |
| XueFeng | I also reviewed some of them:) | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | about adding health check before deletion or scaling, I think we have reached a common understanding | 13:14 |
| XueFeng | Yes, the cluster.health_check has been merged | 13:15 |
| Qiming | he was tring to do the invocation from policy side, while I am more inclined to make them part of the node logics | 13:15 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | the policy decides whether health should be checked, but the actual check logic still should be part of cluster_action or node_action | 13:16 |
| Qiming | that was something we have spent time digging into | 13:16 |
| Qiming | I believe he is still on it these days | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:16 |
| Qiming | next thing is about RDO | 13:17 |
| XueFeng | So this pathch still need updte https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456453/ | 13:17 |
| XueFeng | No update for RDO this week | 13:17 |
| * Qiming is looking | 13:17 | |
| Qiming | right, XueFeng, that one should be reworked | 13:17 |
| XueFeng | Ok, I got the point you mentioned | 13:18 |
| Qiming | I believe he was more affected by the load-balancing policy, where we embedded many operations into the policy itself | 13:18 |
| XueFeng | yes | 13:18 |
| Qiming | however, our design philosophy for polices are just some rules to be checked/enforced before/after action execution | 13:19 |
| Qiming | it doesn't mean policies should intiate some operations on physical resources unless the policy is owning that resource, e.g. lb policy | 13:19 |
| Qiming | next thing | 13:20 |
| Qiming | health management | 13:20 |
| Qiming | two patches about workflow support are in now | 13:20 |
| Qiming | need to enable them in health policy and recover action | 13:20 |
| Qiming | I have moved the logic from nova server up, to the general node level | 13:21 |
| Qiming | because I think workflows are generic enough to invoke many openstack services | 13:21 |
| XueFeng | ok | 13:22 |
| Qiming | xinhui approved that change | 13:22 |
| XueFeng | :) | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | I have moved the load-balancer check and event emitting work back to FEATURES.rst, if you haven't noticed | 13:22 |
| Qiming | this is a sad move | 13:22 |
| Qiming | we hoped that Octavia is open to such a change | 13:23 |
| XueFeng | I know that | 13:23 |
| Qiming | however, ... things didn't go smooth although I know xinhui and friends have tried hard on that | 13:23 |
| Qiming | the whole thing has been there for one year, no comment to the BP, no comment to the patch | 13:23 |
| XueFeng | Maybe we can have another choice to do this thing | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | if BP is not approved, patch won't be reviewed, (according to one of the reviewers) | 13:24 |
| Qiming | we really don't want to do ping or HTTP get by ourselves | 13:24 |
| XueFeng | en | 13:24 |
| Qiming | it is not a big deal from implementation's perspective | 13:24 |
| Qiming | just we don't want to reinvent the wheel, let the right service do the right thing | 13:25 |
| Qiming | we want to be good citizen | 13:25 |
| XueFeng | right | 13:25 |
| Qiming | anyway, we can live with it | 13:25 |
| Qiming | when we get more urgent requests, we can quickly stand up our own version of health checking | 13:26 |
| lixinhui | yes, Qiming | 13:26 |
| Qiming | the only barrier is that we need a place to issue the ping or HTTP GET call | 13:27 |
| Qiming | that 'place' must be on the external subnet | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | ping the nodes from private subnet is not optimal, but it is better than nothing | 13:28 |
| Qiming | moving on | 13:28 |
| XueFeng | ok | 13:28 |
| Qiming | tempest test | 13:28 |
| Qiming | the local test for non-admin account is done, XueFeng ? | 13:28 |
| XueFeng | Yes | 13:29 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:29 |
| XueFeng | I think so | 13:29 |
| XueFeng | :) | 13:29 |
| Qiming | I'm seeing that the whole patch is not breaking the gate | 13:29 |
| XueFeng | Yes | 13:29 |
| Qiming | bravo | 13:29 |
| XueFeng | We also can pass in local | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | we have not yet started senlinclient functional tests | 13:29 |
| XueFeng | for 21:25 < Qiming> just we don't want to reinvent the wheel, let the right service do the right thing | 13:29 |
| XueFeng | yes | 13:30 |
| XueFeng | no | 13:30 |
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| XueFeng | no time to to it now | 13:30 |
| Qiming | ? | 13:30 |
| XueFeng | to do | 13:30 |
| XueFeng | It's priority is low | 13:31 |
| XueFeng | About senlinclinet I think | 13:31 |
| Qiming | questions on my previous sentence? | 13:31 |
| XueFeng | So we need do senlin+tacker firslty | 13:31 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:31 |
| Qiming | just from service/client stability's point of view | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | having functional tests there will ensure that any breaking changes between the server/client will bubble up quickly | 13:32 |
| XueFeng | yes | 13:32 |
| Qiming | e.g. changes to sdk | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | sometimes break us in an unnoticeable way | 13:33 |
| XueFeng | Yes, it is necesary | 13:33 |
| Qiming | next thing is about cluster-recover improvement for lb policy | 13:34 |
| Qiming | I know ruijie still have some ideas to improve it | 13:34 |
| Qiming | so we'd better leave that item there | 13:34 |
| Qiming | besides items on the etherpad | 13:34 |
| Qiming | I'm looking into the performance overhead problem | 13:34 |
| XueFeng | We can add to etherpad | 13:34 |
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| XueFeng | Some patches about these need review as well | 13:35 |
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| XueFeng | This one | 13:35 |
| Qiming | elynn previously reported that scaling a cluster takes time | 13:35 |
| XueFeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455151/ | 13:35 |
| Qiming | it is mostly related to the cluster.rt and node.rt | 13:36 |
| elynn | yes | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | we instantiate Cluster and Node instances | 13:36 |
| Qiming | each instantiation of a Node in turn instantiates a Profile ... | 13:36 |
| Qiming | when revisiting the code, my feeling is that we can avoid db calls in many places | 13:37 |
| XueFeng | elynn, give a bug link | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | we can even avoid instantiate nodes and still break nothing | 13:37 |
| Qiming | just populate cluster.rt['nodes'] with senlin.objects.node.Node instance is enough | 13:37 |
| elynn | https://bugs.launchpad.net/senlin/+bug/1677268 | 13:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1677268 in senlin "scale-out API will take a long time to response when too many nodes in a cluster" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Ethan Lynn (ethanlynn) | 13:38 |
| Qiming | and that operation takes only one ovo call | 13:38 |
| Qiming | if we still have performance problems, we can take a further step, recording only node ids in the runtime data | 13:38 |
| Qiming | I'm not referencing that bug number in my patches | 13:39 |
| Qiming | although ... they are actually remotely related | 13:39 |
| Qiming | e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457493/ | 13:40 |
| elynn | :) I concern if these series of patches can back port to ccata... | 13:40 |
| Qiming | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457508/ | 13:40 |
| Qiming | patch 457508 directly exposes profile.created_at into node dict, so that we don't need to visit node.rt['profile'] when searching nodes with the oldest profile | 13:41 |
| Qiming | we can use ovo Node object in cluster.rt['nodes'] | 13:42 |
| Qiming | will propose related patches to get this whole thing done | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | em, I self appoved #457493 | 13:43 |
| Qiming | :P | 13:43 |
| Qiming | it is in now | 13:43 |
| XueFeng | hh | 13:43 |
| elynn | great | 13:43 |
| lixinhui | cool | 13:43 |
| Qiming | that's all for pike work items so far | 13:43 |
| Qiming | moving on | 13:43 |
| Qiming | #topic boston summit prep | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | where are we? | 13:44 |
| Qiming | our godess? | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | XueFeng, yours? | 13:45 |
| XueFeng | May 11 | 13:45 |
| XueFeng | afternoon | 13:45 |
| Qiming | I mean how are the preparation now? | 13:46 |
| Qiming | do you need any help? | 13:46 |
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| XueFeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449471/ | 13:46 |
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| XueFeng | In tacker ,this patch is in review | 13:47 |
| Qiming | yes? | 13:47 |
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| XueFeng | And about demo | 13:47 |
| XueFeng | debuging | 13:47 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:48 |
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| XueFeng | We can deploy VNF from tacker+heat+senlin | 13:48 |
| Qiming | do you guys think it necessary to spend some time together, maybe later this week or early next week for a face to face discussion? | 13:48 |
| XueFeng | And now we change to the real image | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | ya, an imporant step | 13:49 |
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| XueFeng | I can come | 13:50 |
| Qiming | by the way, yanyan is being relocated to Singapore | 13:50 |
| lixinhui | I am on-site service these days | 13:50 |
| lixinhui | I heard about that | 13:50 |
| lixinhui | happy for him | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | we are "cheaping hime away" | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | jian4 xing2 | 13:51 |
| lixinhui | we should dinner together before his leaving | 13:51 |
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| XueFeng | haha | 13:51 |
| Qiming | em, he told us not to mention this to anyone, and he at the same time has already told everyone, :D | 13:51 |
| elynn | glad he have a better future | 13:52 |
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| elynn | haha | 13:52 |
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| XueFeng | what is jian4 xing2? | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | 贱行, in Chinese | 13:53 |
| XueFeng | oh:) | 13:53 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:54 |
| lixinhui | 豁出去了 | 13:54 |
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| lixinhui | 不减肥了 | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | if you need any helps on preparing the talks, you can reach out to the team | 13:54 |
| elynn | 哇 | 13:54 |
| Qiming | you were never on that direction as far as I know it | 13:54 |
| lixinhui | ... | 13:55 |
| Qiming | *never* | 13:55 |
| elynn | Nice job | 13:55 |
| lixinhui | Will send out a draft agenda for your comments | 13:55 |
| Qiming | top priorities in life: 1 eat, 2 eat, 3 goto 1 | 13:56 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:56 |
| Qiming | I'm mostly stuck by Go and k8s these days | 13:56 |
| Qiming | it is a bigger ... mess | 13:56 |
| XueFeng | hhh | 13:56 |
| lixinhui | you need more coffee | 13:56 |
| XueFeng | Qiming | 13:57 |
| Qiming | no .... I need more sleep, seriously | 13:57 |
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| XueFeng | Another thing | 13:57 |
| Qiming | my girl is too naughty | 13:57 |
| * Qiming listening | 13:57 | |
| XueFeng | Can senlin run in openstak K version | 13:58 |
| Qiming | not quite sure, but we did successfully get it up in Juno | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | you need to mind the sdk version used | 13:58 |
| lixinhui | XueFeng | 13:58 |
| lixinhui | Senlin can | 13:58 |
| XueFeng | ok | 13:59 |
| XueFeng | good news | 13:59 |
| lixinhui | I once tried and ran up senlin with VIO K version | 13:59 |
| Qiming | we are not bound to any specific version of any services, except for sdk | 13:59 |
| Qiming | thanks for the confirmation, xinhui | 13:59 |
| lixinhui | my pleasure | 13:59 |
| Qiming | we are running out of time, thanks for joining, boys and girls | 13:59 |
| Qiming | good night | 13:59 |
| XueFeng | Ok, if need in K version, will ask you guys | 13:59 |
| Qiming | sure | 14:00 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| XueFeng | good night | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 14:00:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-04-18-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-04-18-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-04-18-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
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| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 14:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:00 |
| davidsha | Hey | 14:00 |
| igordcard | hey davidsha | 14:00 |
| igordcard | hi all | 14:00 |
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| bcafarel | howdy | 14:00 |
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| igordcard | what's up bcafarel | 14:01 |
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| igordcard | agenda: | 14:01 |
| igordcard | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework#Discussion_Topic_18_April_2017 | 14:01 |
| reedip_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| igordcard | hi reedip_ | 14:02 |
| davidsha | hey | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | let's dive in | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | #topic Closing the spec | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | a new spec was uploaded: | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/14 | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | but I've set W-1 recently to rework the database schema again | 14:03 |
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| igordcard | it has come to my attention that the AND/ORing of classifications isn't particularly easy for some basic scenarios, and that the fixed nature of the qos-inspired model makes it difficult to make that easy or make changes in the future | 14:04 |
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| igordcard | I'm interested in knowing more about what makes base/child classifications create problems when using OVO | 14:05 |
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| igordcard | see comment at line 236 of: | 14:06 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/13/specs/pike/common-classification-framework.rst | 14:06 |
| davidsha | Ihar seems to be offline and he'd be the expert. | 14:06 |
| igordcard | davidsha: yep probably the best is to reach out to him and ask for more details - I don't want us to commit to a model that will bring us deep trouble with OVO, but would like to have this flexible enough | 14:07 |
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| igordcard | apart from that, after the change regarding the schema (that will be up today), I believe the spec is essentially done | 14:07 |
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| davidsha | that's good. | 14:08 |
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| bcafarel | kind of same comment as the db, in REST api I did not see how to get the sub groups for a CG | 14:10 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: there are no "sub groups", what do you expect them to be? | 14:10 |
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| bcafarel | igordcard: sorry I may still be catching up on these, the terminology says a CG is a grouping Classifications, or other Classification Groups | 14:12 |
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| bcafarel | so I was seeing it as visible in the group itself (as "sub groups") | 14:13 |
| bcafarel | or is it just up to the service to implement the logic? | 14:13 |
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| igordcard | bcafarel: nice catch! | 14:14 |
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| igordcard | bcafarel: seems I wrote that while I still a different model in mind (which I will likely bring back on the next patchet) | 14:14 |
| igordcard | * while I still had a | 14:15 |
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| igordcard | what I'm thinking is that groups can include other groups | 14:15 |
| igordcard | that way, you can indeed mix and match ORs and ANDs | 14:15 |
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| igordcard | so you can say "match on this ip address, OR that ip address, AND make sure either is tcp port 80 traffic" | 14:16 |
| igordcard | this would be an AND-group made of 1 classification and 1 OR-group | 14:17 |
| igordcard | with the OR-group having 2 classifications inside | 14:18 |
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| bcafarel | ack, that was what I had in mind | 14:19 |
| bcafarel | if that is for a later patchset no problem then :) | 14:19 |
| igordcard | in terms of the database schema this should be neat and easy to model, but I have to investigate a bit more the API and OVO consequences | 14:19 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: yeah I'll post something today | 14:20 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: but the current patchset only has single-level grouping of either all-AND or all-OR | 14:21 |
| igordcard | and if a CS wanted, it could consume multiple groups to create complex expressions | 14:21 |
| igordcard | seems I don't have a topic for the PoC, so I will integrate it | 14:22 |
| igordcard | davidsha: how's it going? | 14:22 |
| igordcard | integrate it *here | 14:22 |
| davidsha | igordcard: Going well, I'm just filling out the PoC at the moment. I'm starting looking into the classification groups as well but only very early stuff. | 14:23 |
| davidsha | Less Pep8 fails for sure anyways :P | 14:23 |
| igordcard | great | 14:24 |
| igordcard | the classification groups is the core open debate right now | 14:24 |
| igordcard | we start implemeting too early and we'll end up wasting effort if we can't get enough agreement on the spec | 14:24 |
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| igordcard | so please, all review the spec after the next patchset (due today) so we can more confidently implement a grouping model | 14:25 |
| davidsha | ack | 14:26 |
| igordcard | I'll talk to Ihar about the OVO issue | 14:26 |
| reedip | ack | 14:26 |
| igordcard | moving on | 14:26 |
| igordcard | #topic Rights to the/a repo | 14:26 |
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| igordcard | for context: | 14:26 |
| igordcard | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1476527 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1476527 in neutron "[RFE] Add common classifier resource" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Igor Duarte Cardoso (igordcard) | 14:26 |
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| igordcard | so with agreement on the spec we can be given a repo and a subteam to work on and merge the code | 14:28 |
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| igordcard | it's probably going to be neutron/classifier and me + davidsha as the initial team (spec and poc authors respectively), we can then grow the team as other dedicated contributors arrive | 14:29 |
| davidsha | ack | 14:29 |
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| igordcard | while there's no clear agreement on the spec, I'll simply wait until any of the cores review the spec and decide to give us the repo/rights | 14:31 |
| igordcard | once we have agreement I will actively ping them to set this up | 14:31 |
| reedip | igordcard : subteam is a good idea | 14:31 |
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| igordcard | good good | 14:33 |
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| igordcard | alright, moving on.. | 14:33 |
| igordcard | #topic Open discussion | 14:33 |
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| igordcard | whatever you folks want to chat about | 14:34 |
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| bcafarel | except the weather | 14:34 |
| davidsha | Naturally :P | 14:35 |
| bcafarel | I still have to look at the poc (now that I am back up to date on the spec), sorry been busy elsewhere | 14:35 |
| igordcard | where's free speech? :'( | 14:35 |
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| bcafarel | ok weather topics allowed then :) | 14:35 |
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| davidsha | I was hoping to have another PS for the classifier up by the end of the week, but It will probably be a bit off while I wait for the dust to settle around classification_groups. | 14:36 |
| igordcard | davidsha: yeah... I might ping the most prominent voices around classification grouping after I submit my new PS | 14:37 |
| davidsha | igordcard: ack | 14:37 |
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| igordcard | we'll never totally agree on the grouping, but I'm hoping we can at least have a solution with no major drawbacks | 14:38 |
| davidsha | k | 14:38 |
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| igordcard | having said that my biggest concern is really the OVO issue at this point | 14:38 |
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| igordcard | bcafarel: any plans on turning networking-sfc into a CS? | 14:40 |
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| bcafarel | igordcard: climbing up the todo list, I'd like to get at least some minimal poc up soon | 14:41 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: oh great! | 14:41 |
| bcafarel | (when the unit tests stop breaking during the week-ends) | 14:41 |
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| igordcard | bcafarel: one of the things I forgot in the spec was to add ip/mac addr masks.. possibly there are other gaps there (when comparing to the Flow Classifier) | 14:42 |
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| igordcard | bcafarel: if I don't fix all the gaps, please leave a comment there | 14:43 |
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| bcafarel | igordcard: oh ok noted, I did not check thoroughly the details in the type tables | 14:45 |
| igordcard | btw, stealing the topic from the fwaas meeting - who is going to the summit? | 14:45 |
| igordcard | I wasn't originally going to, but am now | 14:45 |
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| davidsha | I'm not, good luck with the trip! | 14:46 |
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| bcafarel | I won't go either, we count on you to market the CCF concept! | 14:48 |
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| igordcard | :( | 14:49 |
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| bcafarel | I wonder how many engineers will turn up at the summit in the end (it is the first one after the PTG split) | 14:50 |
| reedip | lol igordcard :) | 14:50 |
| igordcard | are you reedip ? | 14:51 |
| reedip | NOPE ... | 14:51 |
| reedip | I have more dangerous missions to go through :) | 14:51 |
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| igordcard | alright dear contributors, let's finish the meeting | 14:58 |
| igordcard | bye all | 14:58 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 14:59:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-04-18-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-04-18-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-04-18-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| chenying_ | #startmeeting karbor | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 15:01:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is chenying_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 15:01 |
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| chenying_ | hi | 15:01 |
| zhonghuali | hi | 15:01 |
| chenhuayi | hi | 15:01 |
| chenying_ | Hi all, welcome to Karbor's weekly meeting | 15:01 |
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| chenying_ | #topic Open Discussion | 15:02 |
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| chenying_ | There is no topic on the agenda right now, Do you have anything want to talk about ? | 15:02 |
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| zhonghuali | nothing to me | 15:03 |
| chenying_ | chenhuayi about th work OpenStack Ansible | 15:03 |
| chenying_ | , do you have any progress？ | 15:03 |
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| chenying_ | ping chenhuayi | 15:05 |
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| chenhuayi | chenying_, proxy setting still have problem. | 15:05 |
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| chenying_ | If the work can not continued because of the network, we can suggest that yuval could do this wokr. | 15:06 |
| zhonghuali | that may be a trouble | 15:06 |
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| chenhuayi | I will have another shoot tommorow. | 15:06 |
| chenying_ | S/wokr/work. | 15:06 |
| chenhuayi | https://blog.christophersmart.com/2016/08/09/setting-up-openstack-ansible-all-in-one-behind-a-proxy/ | 15:06 |
| chenhuayi | follow this link, hope will work tommorow. | 15:07 |
| chenying_ | It can not be installed without proxy? | 15:07 |
| chenhuayi | the proxy setting need some changes. | 15:07 |
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| chenhuayi | yeah, proxy is needed. | 15:08 |
| zhonghuali | chenhuayi, what's the main question, it does not work or it works slowly | 15:08 |
| chenhuayi | it does not wor | 15:08 |
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| chenhuayi | k | 15:08 |
| chenhuayi | it can't reach the resource. | 15:08 |
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| zhonghuali | ohh | 15:09 |
| chenying_ | oh I know. | 15:09 |
| chenying_ | the config of proxy is not ok? | 15:09 |
| chenhuayi | may it will work well next time. | 15:09 |
| chenhuayi | today i had try once. but the proxy setting is some diff from the link told. | 15:10 |
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| jiaopengju | hi | 15:11 |
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| chenying_ | hi jiaopengju welcome. | 15:12 |
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| chenying_ | Do you have anything want to talk about - now is the time | 15:12 |
| jiaopengju | how about file backup in vm? | 15:13 |
| chenying_ | I am thinking about this scene. | 15:14 |
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| chenying_ | The common scene about the file in vm, we think that the file is writed in the manila share. | 15:15 |
| zhonghuali | chenying_,do you mean share? | 15:15 |
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| chenying_ | Yes in the above scenem we can consider backup the share. | 15:16 |
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| zhonghuali | jiaopengju, could you please explain more case from you here? | 15:16 |
| jiaopengju | I think manila share is one use case | 15:16 |
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| zhonghuali | what's your case | 15:17 |
| jiaopengju | currently, most openstack environment do not use manila | 15:18 |
| chenying_ | if the file is writed in mounted volume in the vm, this scene only backup this file, that mean we may need a backup tool(like a agent in the vm) to backup this file. | 15:18 |
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| jiaopengju | yes | 15:20 |
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| chenying_ | one solution introducing a opensource backup software, deploy the agent to this vm to backup the file. what's your opinion about it? | 15:21 |
| zhonghuali | chenying_, do you think the agent is one part of Karbor? | 15:21 |
| chenying_ | zhonghuali I don't think so. | 15:22 |
| jiaopengju | it's a solution, but it is difficult to manage the file uniformly as volumes or nova instances | 15:22 |
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| chenying_ | jiaopengju that may be the quesiton. The file is not managed my openstack directly like the volume or share. | 15:23 |
| chenying_ | S/my/by | 15:23 |
| zhonghuali | so karbor only contains the plugin of open source backup,am I right? | 15:23 |
| jiaopengju | I guess you are right. | 15:24 |
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| chenying_ | introducing a opensource backup software to karbor to backup the file is one optional solution, but we also need think carefully about it. | 15:25 |
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| zhonghuali | what's yuval's opinion on this? | 15:26 |
| chenying_ | If use this one, that mean evey vm need deply the agent one by one to backup the file, it may be unacceptable. | 15:26 |
| jiaopengju | It's difficult to choice about using open source backup software directly or using karbor to manage the backups uniformly. | 15:27 |
| chenying_ | yuval suppose one use case, restore the file from the backup of volume. | 15:28 |
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| chenying_ | But we may talk about this use case about backuping file in vm with him next time. | 15:28 |
| zhonghuali | another question is who will do the deployment work? user or manager? | 15:28 |
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| zhonghuali | chenying_, +1 | 15:29 |
| jiaopengju | I think the vm user will do the deployment work. | 15:29 |
| chenying_ | using karbor to manage the backups uniformly---- the file is not managed by openstack, it may be difficult for karbor. | 15:30 |
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| jiaopengju | I means the backups, not file in vm | 15:30 |
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| chenying_ | we can manage the backups of file like the volume, when backup a file and produce a checkpoint records. | 15:32 |
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| zhonghuali | what i am thinking about is where to find the backup targets? | 15:35 |
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| chenying_ | you mean that get the file list resouces want to backup? | 15:36 |
| chenying_ | how to get the file resouces in the vm? | 15:36 |
| zhonghuali | it is the same question as chenying_ said. the files don't manage by OpenStack | 15:36 |
| zhonghuali | chenying_, yes | 15:37 |
| chenying_ | jiaopengju can you give some use case about backuping the file in the vm from the view of user? | 15:38 |
| jiaopengju | I think the targets is the vms with open source backup software deployed. When users using file backup, he should configure the backup path or some ohter info? | 15:38 |
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| jiaopengju | A simple scene, A vm user want to backup the config files in his vm of some software. | 15:39 |
| zhonghuali | jiaopengju, so, the user choose the vm first, then give an address for file location in this vm, right? | 15:41 |
| jiaopengju | yes | 15:41 |
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| zhonghuali | make sense | 15:42 |
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| zhonghuali | jiaopengju, what kind of guess os do you want to use in your case? | 15:43 |
| zhonghuali | windows or kinux? | 15:43 |
| jiaopengju | linux prefer | 15:43 |
| zhonghuali | ok | 15:43 |
| chenying_ | Usually karbor backup the resources managed by openstack, about this usecase file in the vm, we may need think carefully about it. | 15:45 |
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| chenying_ | how the get the file resouces in the vm, how the backup them, how to managed the backups of files. | 15:46 |
| zhonghuali | jiaopengju,could you please give more detailed description of the use case so that we can discuss further next time? | 15:46 |
| zhonghuali | chenying_, +1 | 15:46 |
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| jiaopengju | It's not difficult to implement the file backup with open source bakcup software, the difficult point is how to mange the backups in openstack | 15:47 |
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| jiaopengju | I think the backups management is the key point | 15:47 |
| chenying_ | yuval is not online today, Can you write some detail info about this use case, so we can talk about it with him next time. in the karbor's irc channcel or irc meeting. | 15:48 |
| chenying_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Karbor | 15:48 |
| zhonghuali | what's the backups management real meaning? | 15:48 |
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| chenying_ | you can add this use case description to this page. | 15:49 |
| jiaopengju | A tenant to manage all his backups | 15:49 |
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| jiaopengju | ok | 15:49 |
| zhonghuali | do you mean how to manage the records? | 15:49 |
| jiaopengju | yes | 15:49 |
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| zhonghuali | I do not think that is a question. please let know if I misunderstand something | 15:50 |
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| zhonghuali | let me | 15:51 |
| jiaopengju | ok , I will write the detailed requirements, so we can talk about it next time | 15:51 |
| chenying_ | do you mean how to manage the records? --- using the checkpoint records like volumes backups | 15:51 |
| chenying_ | jiaopengju +1 thanks | 15:51 |
| zhonghuali | jiaopengju, thanks so much | 15:51 |
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| jiaopengju | you are welcome | 15:52 |
| zhonghuali | :) | 15:52 |
| chenying_ | So If we don't have any topic to talk about, this meeting will be ended. | 15:52 |
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| jiaopengju | ok | 15:53 |
| chenying_ | Thanks, all. | 15:53 |
| zhonghuali | thank you all,see you | 15:53 |
| chenying_ | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 15:53:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-04-18-15.01.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-04-18-15.01.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-04-18-15.01.log.html | 15:53 |
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| jlibosva | o/ | 16:00 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 16:01:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | hi everyone | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Action items from prev meeting | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | "ihrachys to report bugs for fullstack race in ovs agent when calling to enable_connection_uri" | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | I did, just need to find a link | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1682202 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1681945 in neutron "duplicate for #1682202 Neutron Agent error "constraint violation"" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | oh and I see it's a dup :) | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | the right one is then https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1681945 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1681945 in neutron "Neutron Agent error "constraint violation"" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, were there any plans/patches to make ovs agent gracefully handle existing manager? | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess he is not avail | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | so folks, if someone wants to pick it up, you're welcome | 16:06 |
| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, what do you mean? | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, hi! https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1681945 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1681945 in neutron "Neutron Agent error "constraint violation"" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:06 |
| otherwiseguy | That *is* graceful. | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | multiple agents trying to add same manager, clashing on constraint | 16:06 |
| otherwiseguy | It is supposed to fail. | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | it says ERROR | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | it shouldn't | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, does it bubble up anywhere, or it's contained? | 16:07 |
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| otherwiseguy | Probably possible to adust the log message by doing log_errors=False, but check_error=False so no exception raised. | 16:07 |
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| ihrachys | ok makes sense | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | so it should probably be Low and not gate-failure tagged | 16:08 |
| otherwiseguy | In truth, I'd rather we didn't even attempt it. But, that's just my preference in general--let installers do the right thing. :p | 16:08 |
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| otherwiseguy | I can also see the value in less ideological approaches. :) | 16:09 |
| otherwiseguy | But yes, not a gate failure. Just a logging issue. | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy, thanks for clarification, I updated the bug so that it's not tracked as CI issue | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | next item was "jlibosva to follow up on py3 plan for pike" | 16:10 |
| jlibosva | argh | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | we have this ether: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py3-neutron-pike | 16:10 |
| jlibosva | I didn't get any time though I saw kevinbenton reporting a tracker bug | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | and I think kevinbenton acknowledged the goal at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457200/ | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, do you think you will have time for that next weeks, or we should find someone to take over? | 16:11 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: I will sync with kevinbenton, I hope I'll have time. I forgot that I was working only 3 out of 5 working days since last mtg | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | ok makes sense. keep us in the loop. | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | we will revisit the goal later in the run but for the time being it seems like we should not raise it every mtg :) | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | next was "ihrachys to update wiki with the link to gerrit CI dashboard" | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | I did | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | moving on :) | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | next was "jlibosva document current openvswitch requirements for fullstack/functional in TESTING.rst" | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, I think there was a patch? | 16:13 |
| jlibosva | yes, I sent something | 16:13 |
| jlibosva | let me find link | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456219/ | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | merged, good | 16:14 |
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| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456219/ | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | yep | 16:14 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, btw we also switched to ubuntu cloud archive in master | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, does it change anything for us? | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | I think we can e.g. enable the func tests? | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: afaik it doesn't have the newer kernel, right? | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | wasn't that an issue in userspace? | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | appctl | 16:15 |
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| ihrachys | I talk about test_install_flood_to_tun | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: it should be triggered automatically if the version meets the requirement | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | oh right | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | let's check | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: yep, it passes | 16:16 |
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| jlibosva | e.g. here: http://logs.openstack.org/22/457422/1/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial/41dd5db/testr_results.html.gz | 16:17 |
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| jlibosva | OVSFlowTestCase | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | yeah, executed | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | nice | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | then we should probably revise the doc again? | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | yep :) | 16:18 |
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| ihrachys | should we leave the skip check, or we can also kill it now? | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | I would leave it | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | ok ok, maybe someone sticks to stock ubuntu | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | it can produce false negative results to those who run with 2.5.0 | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:18 |
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| jlibosva | and the error is not in produciton, it's just the test | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to revise TESTING doc to update about test_install_flood_to_tun gate status with UCA used for Pike | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | next was "ihrachys to figure out why gerrit dashboard seems to not show some gate-failure fixes" | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | I did not :-x | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | lemme follow up after the mtg | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to figure out why gerrit dashboard seems to not show some gate-failure fixes | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | last item was "ihrachys to review fullstack and scenario health before next meeting" | 16:20 |
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| ihrachys | I checked fullstack, it's 100% failure mode, example http://logs.openstack.org/65/404265/15/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-fullstack-ubuntu-xenial/a48bd9f/testr_results.html.gz | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | it seems like the same issue for all failures | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | some connectivity breakage | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | we need a volunteer to report a bug for that and ideally dig it to a fix | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | but at least a bug report | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | I see lots of volunteers, but I will probably take it myself! | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to report a bug for fullstack connectivity failures | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | as for scenarios, they are not 100% but close. | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | both flavours | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | an example of the failure | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | http://logs.openstack.org/65/404265/15/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-scenario-ubuntu-xenial-nv/8f457d5/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | it seems like it's always the same test (test_subport_connectivity for trunks) | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, I think you were looking at that one in the past. any lead? | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | it seems that vlan interface doesn't get any address | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | or could it be that the timed out command breaks connectivity? | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | it could be caused by https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1626010 | 16:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1626010 in neutron "OVS Firewall cannot handle non unique MACs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Thomas Morin (tmmorin-orange) | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | I have a fix here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385085/ | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | there is still one scenario that ovs fw won't work with vlan and local network types | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, I see the test failing with the patch | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | ehm | 16:27 |
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| jlibosva | it shouldn't be :) | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | bad, bad test! | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | we probably should start at least with reporting a bug for the failure | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | I'll have a closer look | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, can you take that? | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | I will | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to report a bug for scenario failures | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | thanks | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | ok we can now take a look at patches in review | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | #topic #topic Patches in review | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Patches in review | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | the review dashboard has an issue that I need to look at (discussed before), so I am gonna look through my queue that hopefully captures some fixes | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | there were quite some gate bugs in last days, but most are squashed now | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | most of the most pressing I mean | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | one standing right now is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1679775 | 16:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1679775 in neutron "test_network_list_queries_constant fails with testtools.matchers._impl.MismatchError: 28 != 13" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | this should be solved by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457515/ | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | it's a test only fix | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, please have a look | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | will do | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | I am also cleaning up subunit forks that allowed to slip some test coverage degradation in branches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++topic:remove-subunit-trace-fork | 16:33 |
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| ihrachys | some are stadium projects there so have a look | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | we will also need to land https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Icef59a03184473476e0657334bcc30dc7bf4f9ff,n,z to fix periodic neutron-lib jobs for stadium projects | 16:34 |
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| ihrachys | there is https://review.openstack.org/447781 but I need to have a look why it still fails. | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | I know that jlibosva was working on fixing dhcp agent deployment for fullstack at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455790/ | 16:37 |
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| jlibosva | this one doesn't cause much failures | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | yeah, but we need that to unblock work on provisioning blocks | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | yep | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | I am not aware of other pressing fixes | 16:39 |
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| ihrachys | I gotta do another cleanup round of gate-failure tagged bugs | 16:39 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to clean up gate-failure tagged bugs list | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | seems like some should now go since we landed fixes | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | also seems like kevinbenton has a lead on linuxbridge multinode instability: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683256 | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683256 in neutron "linuxbridge multinode depending on multicast support of provider" [Critical,New] | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | (no patch so far) | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | any other patches you are aware that may need attention? | 16:41 |
| jlibosva | not from me | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:41 |
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| ihrachys | nothing major there that we haven't discussed | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | except one thing that I wanted to run | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | I see that functional job is now on par with e.g. -api job in terms of stability | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=7&fullscreen | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | it leads it pretty close | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | I wonder if we are close to the time where we could pull the trigger | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | I see that at least 2 weeks in the past | 16:43 |
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| ihrachys | I am keen to just post a patch against project-config and spur discussion :) | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | thoughts? | 16:44 |
| jlibosva | there is small a functional peak yesterday | 16:44 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, I don't recollect what was that | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | was busy with other gate breakages yesterday :) | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | maybe I should look first | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to look at what the functional spike yesterday was | 16:45 |
| jlibosva | I agree with the patch tho :) we'll see what others say as I think this meeting attendance doesn't belong to the highest | 16:45 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, agreed. (it doesn't, but it helps to have it right?) | 16:45 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to propose voting for functional job | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | sure, I'm just saying that we will get more voices there | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | I will ofc WIP it and ask for comments during a team meeting and ML | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | ok I have nothing else | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, do you? | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | nopes | 16:47 |
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| ihrachys | great, then ciao! :) | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 16:47:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-04-18-16.01.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-04-18-16.01.txt | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-04-18-16.01.log.html | 16:47 |
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| breton | hi keystone | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 18:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping antwash, ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, notmorgan, ravelar, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla | 18:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| breton | ping list is so small | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | not much on the agenda, so we can have a quick meeting to give people some time back | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| lbragstad | #info we are in spec proposal freeze - but spec reviews are still wide open, let's continue firming those up | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | #info Boston is only 20 days away | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | if you need anything for Boston that I can be of help with, please let me know | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | #topic VMT coverage | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VMT coverage (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| lbragstad | gagehugo knikolla o/ | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | hey all! \o/ | 18:02 |
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| gagehugo | Just an update with the VMT coverage stuff | 18:02 |
| gagehugo | gonna talk about it at the OSSP meeting thursday @ 1700 UTC | 18:03 |
| ayoung | Oh yeah | 18:03 |
| samueldmq | what is VMT ? | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | vulnerability management | 18:03 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 18:03 |
| gagehugo | I don't have the etherpad link on me atm from Atlanta | 18:04 |
| gagehugo | but there is more details on there samueldmq | 18:04 |
| ayoung | THe T is there just to make it into a TLA | 18:04 |
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| gagehugo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447139/ please feel free to look at that and let us know if anything needs fixed | 18:05 |
| gagehugo | I think most of it is ok, just gonna figure out what the next steps are for getting it reviewed by security | 18:05 |
| gagehugo | I think that's it | 18:05 |
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| knikolla | thanks gagehugo for keeping a tab on this while i was busy with other things. | 18:07 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: gagehugo thanks | 18:08 |
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| gagehugo | :) | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:10 | |
| lbragstad | anyone have anything? | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | Reminder that tomorrow's policy meeting is a video chat. Max 10 people until we need to bump to a bigger tool than Google Hangout | 18:14 |
| gagehugo | yeah I need to put a note on my calender for that | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | I'll send out a note for sure today | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | thanks folks | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 18:15:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-04-18-18.00.html | 18:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-04-18-18.00.txt | 18:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-04-18-18.00.log.html | 18:15 |
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| clarkb | fwiw the infra pbx server's only limit to users is what the cpu can handle | 18:49 |
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| fungi | (and whether we've topped up the account for its dial-in trunk) | 18:52 |
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| fungi | (also, it's not a video chat, in case people are concerned some participants may be talking dogs) | 18:53 |
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| mordred | fungi: concerned - that sounds amazing | 18:56 |
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| fungi | infra team, concatenate! | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by SpamapS, AJaeger and fungi | 19:00 |
| jeblair | #startsandwich fried chicken | 19:01 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:01 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | (also maybe pabelanger if he adds one in the next few minutes) | 19:01 |
| olaph | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | cons clarkb infra | 19:01 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | jeblair: traditional bone-in fried chicken sandwich? | 19:01 |
| mordred | jeblair: let me know how that command works! | 19:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | fungi, mordred: mmmrphmmmm | 19:01 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 19:02:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| fungi | #info Infra contributor bootstrapping intro 16:40pm EDT Monday at the OpenStack Forum in Boston | 19:02 |
| fungi | 90-minute window shared with some other horizontal teams, so we have about 15 minutes for a quick intro and some questions from the audience | 19:03 |
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| fungi | i could use some volunteers to help out with our section of that | 19:03 |
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| fungi | get up with me if you're interested, we'll probably just rehash a few slides we have from our infra overview and talk about systems administration as code for a bit | 19:04 |
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| fungi | also worth noting, in case you're torn between the two, it overlaps with the session about getting rid of stackalytics | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | hah | 19:04 |
| fungi | so, um, choose wisely | 19:05 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-11-19.01.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:05 |
| fungi | #action fungi put forth proposal to flatten git namespaces | 19:06 |
| fungi | i'm still pondering this one, but will likely take the form of an infra spec | 19:06 |
| fungi | pabelanger Open an Ubuntu SRU for bug 1251495 | 19:07 |
| openstack | bug 1251495 in mailman (Ubuntu Trusty) "Lists with topics enabled can throw unexpected keyword argument 'Delete' exception." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251495 | 19:07 |
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| pabelanger | yes! I hope to have this created this week. I've started on packaging already | 19:07 |
| fungi | cool, i was not seeing it in the bug | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #action pabelanger Open an Ubuntu SRU for bug 1251495 | 19:07 |
| pabelanger | yes, no bug yet. Was going to do it all in one shot | 19:07 |
| fungi | clarkb to add citycloud to nodepool | 19:08 |
| fungi | i know you're working on that one, though i'm guessing no config change proposed yet | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I've made an account and have sent its info back to citycloud so they can "verify" the account and set quotas | 19:08 |
| fungi | oh, right, you cc'd me on that | 19:08 |
| clarkb | no config change proposed yet beause I can't create the two infra users in the account until after it gets verified | 19:08 |
| fungi | yep, makes total sense | 19:08 |
| fungi | #action clarkb to add citycloud to nodepool | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | basically the we aren't spammers step | 19:09 |
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| fungi | (speak for yourself!) | 19:09 |
| * fungi is kidding, of course ;) | 19:09 | |
| clarkb | passwords file is up to date with current info and I will add the users once we have them | 19:10 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval: PROPOSED: Zuulv3 Executor Security Enhancement (SpamapS) | 19:10 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/444495 Zuulv3 Executor Security Enhancement | 19:10 |
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| fungi | this was discussed at last week's meeting with a council voting deadline of about 12 minutes ago | 19:11 |
| fungi | so i'm approving it now | 19:11 |
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| fungi | #info APPROVED: "Zuulv3 Executor Security Enhancement" spec | 19:12 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:12 |
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| fungi | nothing called out specifically here this week, though the above approved spec is certainly associated with the Zuul v3 priority effort | 19:12 |
| clarkb | I haven't had time to work on gerrit upgrade stuff in the last week unfortunately | 19:13 |
| fungi | yep, lots of people are spread thin | 19:13 |
| fungi | #topic Mitaka EOL: When to remove which changes? (AJaeger) | 19:13 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/project-config+branch:master+topic:mitaka-eol Current list of changes | 19:13 |
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| fungi | looks like there are two pending | 19:14 |
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| AJaeger | Just want to know how to move forward - we have some changes proposed and merged already like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455637/ (twice proposed) and others proposing changes | 19:14 |
| * AJaeger started with those two | 19:14 | |
| fungi | for python 3.4 job removal (mitaka was the last release before we switched to 2.5) and stable/mitaka bitrot job removal | 19:14 |
| fungi | s/2.5/3.5/ | 19:15 |
| AJaeger | Do we want to wait for tagging the branches - or start with some cleanups slowly? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | we can also drop trusty jobs | 19:15 |
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| AJaeger | And what to do with projects that still have mitaka branches and use trusty jobs? | 19:15 |
| fungi | well, except for infra's testing on trusty since we still deploy things on trusty at the moment | 19:15 |
| pabelanger | all or them? | 19:15 |
| pabelanger | of* | 19:15 |
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| AJaeger | we need trusty for grenade from mitaka to newton, so cannot retire it completely | 19:16 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: we stop testing mitaka to newton when we drop mitaka | 19:16 |
| * AJaeger already -1s all changes that add new trusty jobs | 19:16 | |
| AJaeger | clarkb: ah, good | 19:16 |
| clarkb | so that shouldn't be an issue. Guessing its just going to be deployment related thigns that will have trusty (infra, maybe osa?) | 19:16 |
| fungi | AJaeger: i think openstack-ansible at least expressed a concern because their plan (up until the ptg when we discussed it anyway) had been to perform upgrade tests of stable/newton on trusty servers (they apparently test in-place upgrades of the distro along with openstack) | 19:17 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: ya, I think deployment jobs might still want trusty. | 19:17 |
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| pabelanger | I'm personally not in a rush to remove trusty, I feel nodepool-builder is now working great and current breakages have been minimal | 19:18 |
| mordred | yah - as long as it's not difficult to keep around, I don't feel a strong urge to remove it | 19:18 |
| clarkb | that certainly helps. I mostly want it gone because upstart | 19:18 |
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| mordred | yah. much as I hate systemd, I prefer _one_ init system to multiple | 19:19 |
| clarkb | eventually I won't have to think about multiple init systems | 19:19 |
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| mordred | I will also admit that sdague's systemd logging changes in devstack are nice | 19:19 |
| fungi | well, what i told them is that we'll be stuck keeping trusty around for a while due to the infra team's needs | 19:19 |
| mordred | we've got another year until there is a new lts to replace xenial, right? so we can tweak the policy between now and then based on what we learn from trusty perhaps? | 19:20 |
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| fungi | but that 1. it's possible stable/newton of some projects may cease working on trusty at any time because they don't gate on it any longer, and 2. wait times for trusty nodes could be long under heavy ci load | 19:20 |
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| pabelanger | right | 19:21 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:21 |
| fungi | also i strongly encouraged them to consider the qa team's distro alignment where grenade is concerned (i.e., stop testing upgrades for the oldest stable branch) | 19:21 |
| AJaeger | So, if we keep trusty jobs for deployment projects what are we doing for non-deployment projects that won't EOL directly? | 19:22 |
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| clarkb | AJaeger: I think we remoev all instances of trusty tied to mitaka which is teh vast majority of them | 19:22 |
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| pabelanger | ++ | 19:23 |
| fungi | i guess the hard part of that is probably figuring out which ones aren't running trusty because of mitaka | 19:23 |
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| fungi | so that they don't get removed | 19:23 |
| clarkb | ya you'll have to check against the regex in layout.yaml that specifies based on branch | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | anything that matches the mitaka side can be removed | 19:24 |
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| AJaeger | we have a default regex for trusty jobs to run only on mitaka, so unless that's overwritten for a specific job... | 19:25 |
| fungi | do we have enough info/consensus to be able to move forward? i mean, we should still wait to drop jobs until the bulk of the eol tags are pushed i think | 19:28 |
| AJaeger | so, shall I WIP my two changes? | 19:28 |
| fungi | for example, i saw a thread where teh glance team (i think it was glance) was requesting a delay because they had a stable/mitaka fix they want to land | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | ya I think we wait for eol then make our changes | 19:29 |
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| pabelanger | wfm | 19:29 |
| clarkb | because once eol happens no more changes can come in so safe to remove jobs | 19:29 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115529.html Tagging mitaka as EOL | 19:29 |
| fungi | yeah, it was indeed glance | 19:29 |
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| fungi | there's some question as to whether it's a valid stable branch change, but i don't think discussion has concluded | 19:30 |
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| fungi | my point being, if we drop their jobs, it'll be hard for them to test and land that (if they do wind up moving forward pre-eol) | 19:31 |
| clarkb | note that it will be hard for them to test if everyone eols and they don't | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | as devstack won't do things | 19:31 |
| fungi | right | 19:31 |
| AJaeger | so far the jobs proposed, will not block merging any changes - but at one might that might indeed happen... | 19:31 |
| fungi | but it looks like eol hasn't happened anywhere _yet_ | 19:31 |
| fungi | at least nova, for example, doesn't have a mitaka-eol tag that i can see | 19:32 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, indeed, tags are not done yet. | 19:32 |
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| pabelanger | ya, I think our move is wait for the moment | 19:32 |
| AJaeger | fungi, we can move on to next topic and discuss further once the first tags have been done... | 19:33 |
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| fungi | #agreed Wait for the main batch of EOL tagging/branch deletion, then remove mitaka-specific jobs (including some trusty-specific or Python 3.4-based jobs if only needed by stable/mitaka branches) | 19:33 |
| fungi | that sum it up? | 19:34 |
| AJaeger | +1 | 19:34 |
| fungi | thanks for bringing it up~ | 19:34 |
| fungi | ! | 19:34 |
| fungi | #topic Scheduling proposed project renames (fungi) | 19:34 |
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| fungi | the defcore working group changed their name to the interop working group a while ago and wants to rename their repo | 19:35 |
| fungi | i also have a change to push for renaming a couple of infra repos specific to the user story dashboard (now the feature tracker) | 19:35 |
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| fungi | any infra-root planning to be around, say, this friday and interested in helping rename a handful of repos? | 19:36 |
| clarkb | I'm free | 19:37 |
| pabelanger | as am I | 19:37 |
| fungi | i'm happy to do the bulk of the work and announcing, just want to make sure i'm not flying solo in case things go terribly wrong and we need some extra hands | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | i'll be around | 19:37 |
| fungi | shall we say 20:00 utc? | 19:38 |
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| fungi | a one hour window (with the gerrit/zuul outage expected to conclude early in the window)? | 19:38 |
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| mordred | I'll be around | 19:39 |
| clarkb | wfm | 19:39 |
| fungi | i'll whip up the task tracker change in the next day or so | 19:39 |
| fungi | #info Gerrit and Zuul will be offline for project renaming maintenance Friday, April 21, 20:00-21:00 UTC. | 19:40 |
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| fungi | look right? | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | are we doing online reindexes now? | 19:41 |
| clarkb | yes | 19:41 |
| clarkb | (upgrade to 2.13 is special case where we can't but general rename project should be fine) | 19:41 |
| fungi | yep | 19:41 |
| jeblair | neat. then lgtm. :) | 19:41 |
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| fungi | so, for example, we can bring gerrit and probably zuul back online right away, but some jobs may get incorrect results due to git replication delays (so we'd want to avoid tagging releases during that window) | 19:42 |
| * fungi consults release schedule real quick | 19:42 | |
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| fungi | yeah, milestone 1 was last week. this is a dead week on the schedule from what i can see | 19:43 |
| fungi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html Pike Release Schedule | 19:43 |
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| fungi | ttx: dhellmann: dims: ^ heads up, lmk if that's a no-go for a maintenance window and i can readjust | 19:44 |
| * dhellmann looks at scrollback | 19:44 | |
| dhellmann | this week or next seems fine to me, but maybe get ttx to sign off | 19:45 |
| fungi | no problem, it's never etched in stone ;) | 19:45 |
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| dhellmann | this is r-19, next is r-18, and r-17 is the week before summit so it's probably best not to do it then | 19:45 |
| fungi | #topic Attending September 2017 PTG in Denver, CO, USA (fungi) | 19:45 |
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| ttx | fungi: sounds good to me | 19:46 |
| fungi | i've been asked by the ptg organizers to attempt to gauge how many infra team members want to attend the ptg in denver this september (week of september 11 i believe) | 19:46 |
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| fungi | really just trying to get a rough count so they can start planning sizing for our room and whatnot | 19:47 |
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| * mordred will be there - although would like to complain now that he'll miss opening night of the symphony season | 19:47 | |
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| jeblair | o/ | 19:47 |
| clarkb | I'll be there | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | travel budget pending, plan on attending | 19:47 |
| fungi | so even if you don't think you have funding from your employer to attend but might want to take advantage of travel support or something, that's fine | 19:48 |
| fungi | slight overestimation is better than significant underestimation | 19:48 |
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| fungi | mordred: should we plan a group outing to see the colorado state symphony or something? | 19:49 |
| * olaph hopes to attend | 19:49 | |
| * cmurphy will try to be there | 19:49 | |
| * zara_the_lemur__ is also hoping | 19:49 | |
| mordred | fungi: :) maybe so | 19:50 |
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| fungi | okay, so including me and those speaking up in the meeting, that's at least 8 so far | 19:50 |
| fungi | #info Let fungi know if you hope to attend the PTG in Denver this September so he can get a rough head count | 19:51 |
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| fungi | i'll reach out a few other ways, i don't need to have numbers back to diablo_rojo just yet | 19:51 |
| fungi | glad so many people might be coming! | 19:51 |
| fungi | i love hanging out with all of you and getting things done together | 19:52 |
| fungi | and seeing no other last-minute topics on the agenda... | 19:52 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:52 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: you had something to bring up during open discussion, you said | 19:52 |
| pabelanger | Ah, just wanted to gauge interested about starting infracloud upgrades, we'd likely bring down a region at a time to rebuild everything | 19:53 |
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| pabelanger | also, wouldn't mind trying to land https://review.openstack.org/455480/ today. Adds infra-root-keys to nodepool (we need a stop / start first on nodepool.o.o) | 19:53 |
| clarkb | would be a good time to make sure we don't ahve the same kernel issue that baremetal had on the other servers | 19:54 |
| clarkb | linux-image-generic needs to be installed | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | should be able to fix that | 19:54 |
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| fungi | we should probably start with whichever region is smaller (chocolate?) | 19:55 |
| pabelanger | if we do chocolate first, it will be a good time to split strawberry too | 19:55 |
| fungi | timing might also coincide with bringing osic offline... i assume everyone's heard the news about osic wrapping up a year ahead of schedule... so not taking the larger of the two offline right when that happens might help us better gauge the impact | 19:56 |
| clarkb | and maybe see if we can't get citycloud up first just to offset | 19:56 |
| pabelanger | Right, this would depend on OSIC timing also | 19:56 |
| fungi | yes, that | 19:56 |
| pabelanger | not a rush, just something we've talked about | 19:56 |
| fungi | as i said earlier in #openstack-infra, if it's something you want to work on then let's do it | 19:57 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:57 |
| fungi | has to happen sometime, after all | 19:57 |
| clarkb | once I get citycloud account verified and quota'd it shouldn't take more than a day to get it running so that will be quick once ready | 19:59 |
| clarkb | so shouldn't be a big speedbump here | 19:59 |
| fungi | a the a the a the a that's all folks! | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 20:00:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-18-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-18-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-18-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| ttx | alright! | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:00 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dims, dtroyer, fungi, johnthetubaguy, mtreinish, sdague, stevemar: around ? | 20:00 |
| * fungi unsurprised to find tc members in this channel | 20:00 | |
| * mordred waves at flaper87 in meatspace | 20:00 | |
| ttx | EmilienM and thingee are excused | 20:00 |
| fungi | dockercon? | 20:01 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:01 |
| mordred | ttx: I don't know that we voted to approve that excusal | 20:01 |
| * edleafe hangs out on the side | 20:01 | |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| * rockyg takes usual spot in back | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 20:01:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| * flaper87 hands mordred some actual steak | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| mordred | mmmm | 20:01 |
| ttx | Hi everyone! | 20:01 |
| ttx | Last meeting for the current membership before the election results Friday | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today is at: | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| * mordred has enjoyed all of these humans | 20:01 | |
| ttx | #topic Add TC repo project-navigator-data | 20:02 |
| cdent | mordred: are you eating humans? | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add TC repo project-navigator-data (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/453867 | 20:02 |
| dtroyer_zz | o/ | 20:02 |
| * ttx checks there were no last-minute objections before approving | 20:02 | |
| mordred | cdent: yup | 20:02 |
| ttx | there were none, so approving now | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | ship it | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Resolution on OpenStack's mission for cloud applications | 20:02 |
| mordred | ttx: while we're on that - I'm about to send out an email requesting people add information to the repo | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Resolution on OpenStack's mission for cloud applications (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #undo | 20:02 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Resolution on OpenStack's mission for cloud applications | 20:02 |
| ttx | mordred: oh right, want to say more on that ? | 20:03 |
| mordred | ttx: I'm assuming "just send it" is fine with everyone? | 20:03 |
| ttx | mordred: fine by me | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | yup | 20:03 |
| mordred | tl;dr "hey everybody, send patches with versions" | 20:03 |
| mordred | cool | 20:03 |
| ttx | the sooner the better | 20:03 |
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| mordred | bombs away | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Resolution on OpenStack's mission for cloud applications | 20:03 |
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| ttx | zaneb: sorry for false start | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/447031 | 20:03 |
| zaneb | no worries :) | 20:03 |
| ttx | this one seems to have passed the community RFC bar | 20:03 |
| ttx | I think we can finally approve it now ? | 20:04 |
| mordred | zaneb: thanks for writing that zaneb | 20:04 |
| mordred | gah | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | ship it | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | what's the next step after this resolution? what change are we hoping to trigger? | 20:04 |
| mordred | zaneb: I'm going to refer to you by name twice in all sentences now zaneb | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | also, yeah, thanks zaneb | 20:04 |
| zaneb | mordred: no worries mordred | 20:04 |
| * ttx approves before discussing the next move | 20:05 | |
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| zaneb | thanks everyone! | 20:05 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I read it more as a statement to clarify the direction, rather than an action plan | 20:05 |
| ttx | but maybe zaneb has more up his sleeves | 20:06 |
| mtreinish | ttx: yeah, ditto | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | ttx: that's how I read it too | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | dhellmann: stuff in the footnote would be a good start | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | I believe johnthetubaguy already has some discussions set up for the forum | 20:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was hoping the VM & BM working group session at the forum would be a great place to continue the conversation about making progress on that | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | ok. I thought maybe it was tied to some specific feature requests, like -- ok, cool, thanks zaneb | 20:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I should dig out the link | 20:07 |
| ttx | I think it will facilitate a number of discussions, by providing a reference | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | I believe we may also have some free session slots, if we want a session devoted to this | 20:07 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy, zaneb I think I have that on my calendar already, but link would be nice | 20:07 |
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| * ttx waits for link before moving to next topic | 20:07 | |
| ttx | https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18749/writing-applications-for-the-vm-and-baremetal-platform maybe | 20:08 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: I'd be happy to help facilitate a session like that | 20:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the one | 20:08 |
| ttx | or is it https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18750/operating-the-vm-and-baremetal-platform-12 | 20:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: thank you! | 20:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | its writing applications ones | 20:08 |
| mordred | yes! on my schedule already | 20:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least, that was my intention with those | 20:08 |
| ttx | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18749/writing-applications-for-the-vm-and-baremetal-platform | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | zaneb : great, maybe you can check in with Tom F? | 20:09 |
| mordred | possibly also related I have a"Exposing deployer choices to end users without death" on Tuesday | 20:09 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: ack | 20:09 |
| ttx | #topic Add a "docs:install-guide-verified" tag | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add a "docs:install-guide-verified" tag (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:09 | |
| dhellmann | zaneb : feel free to cc me | 20:09 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/445536 | 20:09 |
| ttx | Alexandra and Doug worked on this new version which should avoid most of the objections imho | 20:09 |
| sdague | ttx: well, it's now docs:follow-policy | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | yes, the idea here was to structure this tag similar to the other policy tags defined by teams like stable and vmt | 20:10 |
| fungi | (with an s) | 20:10 |
| sdague | fungi: yep, my typo | 20:10 |
| ttx | sdague: I think it's clearer now yes | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | where the general stuff is here, and the details are defined in the doc team contributor guide | 20:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | zaneb: I am struggling to work out if I can still get to the summit, but I would love to help with the prep either way | 20:11 |
| ttx | so any last-minute objection before we approve ? | 20:11 |
| * flaper87 likes this version better | 20:11 | |
| sdague | nope, I did kind of find the other name more meaningful, but I get why this matches the other pattern | 20:11 |
| fungi | i can get behind the name on the grounds that it indicates a deliverable's documentation is developed and released following the docs team's policy | 20:12 |
| ttx | pretty much yes | 20:12 |
| ttx | OK, let's approve it now then | 20:12 |
| sdague | fungi: yeh, just policy is one of the most overloaded terms in openstack land :) | 20:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, seem really useful to tell folks, whatever we call it | 20:12 |
| ttx | 30 revs should be enough | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | sdague, fungi: I think asettle and I would be happy with a name change if you have an alternative to suggest | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | we could do that as a separate patch | 20:13 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, I'm fine with moving forward | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | ttx, there's a typo patch on top of this one that I think we can probably fast-approve | 20:13 |
| * ttx pushes the blue button | 20:13 | |
| fungi | suggesting new names violates my personal no-bikeshed policy ;) | 20:13 |
| ttx | typo patch approved too | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | fungi: ++ | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | thanks, everyone | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | we'll probably have one of these from the i18n team, soon, too (I need to talk with Ian) | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: thank you and thanks asettle | 20:14 |
| mtreinish | fungi: just suggest docs:not-a-bikeshed :) | 20:14 |
| ttx | dhellmann: thanks to you for helping push it through the finish mine | 20:14 |
| ttx | and thanks asettle for driving it | 20:14 |
| mordred | fungi: what color do you think the bikeshed would be if it existed? | 20:14 |
| ttx | finish line. finish line. Not mine. | 20:14 |
| ttx | finish mine sounds dangerous | 20:14 |
| mordred | finish mine seems like a thing | 20:14 |
| ttx | #topic Remove App Catalog from official projects | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove App Catalog from official projects (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:14 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/452086 | 20:15 |
| ttx | This seems to have gathered enough approvals from the current membership | 20:15 |
| ttx | But since it is a first for a project team that is still alive, I was wondering if we should throw it on the ML again before pushing the button | 20:15 |
| fungi | one thing that feels missing here (and why i haven't rollcall-voted yet) is that it's missing input from the ptl (either for or against) | 20:15 |
| ttx | There was a thread already, which quickly went off-topic | 20:15 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113362.html | 20:15 |
| mordred | olaph: ^^ | 20:16 |
| mtreinish | olaph: ^^^ | 20:16 |
| mtreinish | mordred: err, you win | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | ttx: for the sake of openness and over-communication, I'd send one more email | 20:16 |
| mordred | mtreinish: you used more carets than I did, I think you win this one | 20:16 |
| olaph | i've abstained because of conflict of intrest :) | 20:16 |
| ttx | yeah, I understand how it can be difficult to vote on that for olaph | 20:16 |
| mordred | indeed | 20:16 |
| fungi | you're willing to defer to the tc's judgement in this matter and have no input into it? | 20:16 |
| ttx | I think it's more, "I understand why you're doing it", based on past discussions with olaph and doaceado | 20:17 |
| fungi | i mean, that is also a position | 20:17 |
| fungi | and nice to have recorded (now it is, i suppose!) | 20:17 |
| olaph | sure, I can at least put something to that affect in the patch | 20:18 |
| ttx | We could also wait for the next membership to confirm this, and/or start a new thread | 20:18 |
| fungi | certainly doesn't need a -1 or +1 if you don't feel like adding one | 20:18 |
| ttx | But then it's not as if it was hard to reverse it | 20:18 |
| fungi | but a sentence in a comment would be helpful to me at least | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it would be nice to have the abstention recorded formally | 20:19 |
| fungi | mostly just so there's a record that someone representing that team is aware of the proposed change | 20:19 |
| ttx | Would you rather approve it now, and let it simmer for one more week and get the next membership to approve it ? | 20:19 |
| fungi | if nothing else | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I don't really see significant objections from any of the folks running for the TC. Do we need to wait? | 20:19 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'm fine with approving now, just checking the rest of the TC's view | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | I'm not opposed, just wondering. | 20:20 |
| ttx | if all approvers are fine with approving this week (once olaph's comment is posted), I'm fine too | 20:20 |
| fungi | and only ~half the tc's up for reelection | 20:20 |
| * flaper87 is fine w/ approving | 20:20 | |
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| ttx | Alright, let's give some time to olaph and revisit at end of meeting | 20:21 |
| ttx | #topic Propose the addition of an status:maintenance-mode | 20:21 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/449925 | 20:21 |
| ttx | amrith: around ? | 20:21 |
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| amrith | yup | 20:22 |
| ttx | Last time we discussed this, and in mtreinish's recent review, the objection is that it conflates two different cases | 20:22 |
| amrith | hello | 20:22 |
| ttx | 1/ being under maintenance mode because the team is struggling and can't really add features | 20:22 |
| ttx | 2/ being under maintenance mode because the deliverable is feature-complete | 20:22 |
| ttx | In (1) the tag communicates the need for more contributors, while in (2) it communicates that the project is done | 20:22 |
| ttx | which is arguably two different things | 20:22 |
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| dhellmann | if I can break fungi's bike-shedding rule, I think this name should be reserved for case 2 | 20:22 |
| ttx | mtreinish: you would rather have this one explicitly targetr only (1) ? | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | it seems that amrith's need is to cover case 1 | 20:23 |
| amrith | dhellmann, help me understand this please. | 20:23 |
| fungi | dhellmann: it's just my personal policy for not involving myself in bikeshed discussions. feel free to adopt it yourself or not as you see fit ;) | 20:23 |
| mtreinish | ttx: yeah, the way everything is worded in the tag it definitely seems to be targetted to #1 | 20:23 |
| amrith | what would you like the proposal to state? that the reason for this state (to-be-named) is because we need more contributors? | 20:23 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: yeah and I think maintenance should be reserved for #2 | 20:24 |
| ttx | status:dying-please-help | 20:24 |
| amrith | sure, works for me, just tell me what you want. Personally, I think the distinction being made here is highly academic. We are making the perfect be the enemy of the good (IMHO). | 20:24 |
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| sdague | I kind of feel like it's a bit of an artificial distinction | 20:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, I was going to ask, where is the action different, I guess is the contributor side, one project is asking for help, the other is saying "we are done" | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | yeah, if you're looking for more help I don't think this tag name is going to get it | 20:25 |
| sdague | just based on motivation. Everything could get more features with more people. | 20:25 |
| ttx | sdague: yeah, me too, was fine with conflating the two. For /users/, the end result is the same | 20:25 |
| sdague | yep | 20:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, for users it seems the same | 20:25 |
| amrith | dhellmann, we're not looking for the tag to suggest that more help is needed; more that people shouldn't expect too much | 20:25 |
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| fungi | so the suggestion is to make it more obviously a help-wanted sign? | 20:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the contributor side I wasn't so sure about | 20:25 |
| ttx | and tags are for users | 20:25 |
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| mtreinish | for users it might be the same. But it depends on the audience, because one is actually looking for contributors to step up | 20:25 |
| ttx | personally I would keep it as is, and create a priority list of help wanted | 20:26 |
| amrith | again, let me reiterate, my desire is to communicate what Mad TV called "lowered expectations". | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | amrith : I guess it's the difference between "don't expect too much" and "we wish we could do more" | 20:26 |
| sdague | I think the only other thing I might suggest is that the TC membership is added as core to any project that ends up in this state, so that critical stuff has someone around to make sure things get through | 20:26 |
| ttx | i.e. we could put a project in maintenance-mode *and* on the priority list of things needing urgent help | 20:26 |
| amrith | Yes, I intend "don't expect too much". of course the corollary is "if you expect more, step up". | 20:26 |
| mtreinish | and as a random person looking to contribute if I saw maint-mode, I wouldn't even try to contribute | 20:26 |
| sdague | because we've definitely gotten into weird states where litterally there was no one around that could approve on a project like sqlalchemy-migrate | 20:26 |
| amrith | mtreinish, we aren't looking for random people | 20:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: as apposed to just doing self-approvals, which I presume is the alternative? thats interesting | 20:26 |
| amrith | to contribute | 20:26 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: there might not even be a self | 20:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: good point | 20:27 |
| amrith | but to a person interested in trove; who sees the maintenance mode, it would mean "if I want more, I have to step up" | 20:27 |
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| dhellmann | I don't feel that strongly about it, but it's not clear to me what outcome you want from having the tag so I'm trying to weigh the various possible interpretations. | 20:27 |
| amrith | dhellmann, I'm looking for the tag to be an acknowledgement of "lowered expectatins" | 20:27 |
| ttx | amrith: ++ | 20:27 |
| sdague | amrith: ++ | 20:27 |
| dtroyer_zz | I see the reason for wanting the distinction, and it may make a different to the user if they can sort out _why_ this tag was added. | 20:28 |
| ttx | I think the right place to put that distinction is in a help wanted list, not in a tag | 20:28 |
| sdague | dtroyer_zz: maybe, but we have a commit message on the tag add | 20:28 |
| ttx | just because tags are mainly for users, while help wanted lists are mainly for contributors | 20:28 |
| dtroyer_zz | sdague: yes, how many users will now how to find that? | 20:28 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that assumes someone goes and digs it up from the log | 20:28 |
| sdague | mtreinish: it does | 20:28 |
| edleafe | fwiw, "maintenance" suggests to me being complete, not in need of help | 20:28 |
| fungi | i have a dream that users will become our contributors, but i understand the concern | 20:29 |
| dtroyer_zz | edleafe: ++ | 20:29 |
| amrith | edleafe, let's leave the name out of it; let's call it 'tag-whose-name-is-tbd' | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | I do think there's a difference between saying expectations are low and will stay there, and expectations can go up with more help, and I'm not sure that this tag description clearly says the latter as it seems to do for some of the rest of you. | 20:29 |
| rockyg | dtroyer_zz, ++ you need to say somewhere for the guy who wants more, how to step up | 20:29 |
| ttx | fungi: not saying those are not highly-overlapping groups. But it's still two different hats | 20:29 |
| amrith | status:lowered-expectations | 20:29 |
| dtroyer_zz | ameade: the name matters because it carries connotation, which may be different from what you intend | 20:29 |
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| amrith | agreed dtroyer_zz | 20:29 |
| amrith | hence I'm un-entangling the name conversation from the intent | 20:30 |
| amrith | once we agree on intent, we can bikeshed the name | 20:30 |
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| sdague | so, having become accidental maintainer of a number of projects, inside and outside of openstack, I totally think tagging them as maintenance mode only is a good idea | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | that said, the current description is better than having no tag at all | 20:30 |
| sdague | because people do have expectactions | 20:30 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ++ | 20:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | ++ | 20:30 |
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| sdague | like, sqlalchemy-migrate and grenade would be great candidates for this tag | 20:30 |
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| mordred | sdague: ++ ... people don't really always know that mox3 was intended for transition, for instance | 20:30 |
| ttx | I think it's fine to merge this and refine | 20:30 |
| mordred | yah. and sqlalchemy-migrate | 20:30 |
| sdague | mordred: ++ on mox3 | 20:31 |
| ttx | as dhellmann said, something is better than nothing here | 20:31 |
| fungi | and we get tons of drive-by feature additions for git-review as another example | 20:31 |
| sdague | there is a whole lot of stuff that people assume there is a much deeper bench than there really is | 20:31 |
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| mordred | fungi: ++ | 20:31 |
| smcginnis | mordred: mox3 info later? | 20:31 |
| amrith | sdague, ++ | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | ttx: though once the tag is applied we have to be careful with redefining it | 20:31 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I'm onboard with this tag, but want to be clear since we're talking about expectations that it may not set the intended ones all the way around | 20:31 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: ++ | 20:31 |
| mtreinish | sdague: but in most of those cases we don't intend this to be a transient state | 20:31 |
| sdague | mtreinish: some times | 20:31 |
| fungi | granted, the people who are submitting features to a repo and aren't aware of its development status aren't likely to know to look for our governance tags either | 20:32 |
| amrith | ttx, and others, if we are ok with the intent of the tag (lowered expectations), can we now discuss names? | 20:32 |
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| mtreinish | like sqlalchemy-migrate is always in maint-mode | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : ++ | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can take that transient part out | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | in a revision | 20:32 |
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| ttx | status:currently-in-maintenance-only-mode | 20:32 |
| sdague | maybe, I think projects get to this state for a lot of reasons | 20:32 |
| amrith | dhellmann, I don't follow the take out transient part in a revision comment | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | fungi : we could have a bot automatically comment on patches when a repo has this tag | 20:33 |
| sdague | and I think it's fine to suggest that more contributors could move things out of there, it's definitely a case by case basis | 20:33 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that's my point, but the tag is clearly written with a very specific case | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | amrith : if we're going to apply this to projects that we want to stay in maintenance mode, then we don't want to say the tag is always transient | 20:33 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yep, or a gerrit hook | 20:33 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : tomato, tomato :-) | 20:33 |
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| ttx | amrith: I'm fine with it the way it stands | 20:34 |
| ttx | waiting for alternate proposals | 20:34 |
| fungi | there is plenty of negative sentiment expressed when we have automation reply to patches contributed on github saying nobody's going to look at them, but not getting any feedback at all is definitely worse | 20:34 |
| sdague | yeh, I feel like this is fine as is, I think the coming out of it is more implied, and I think this is better than just silently dropping things | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | yeah, let's move ahead with this and we can propose updates to address the issues we've raised here | 20:35 |
| dtroyer_zz | ++ | 20:35 |
| ttx | yes, nobody said a lowered-expectations tag was a bad idea. Just details on how to phrase it | 20:35 |
| amrith | to a point raised in an earlier discussion, do we want to give the new TC a voice here? | 20:35 |
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| * flaper87 already voted on the tag | 20:35 | |
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| ttx | I'm fine waiting for one more week | 20:36 |
| dtroyer_zz | If we want the new TC to handle things today, we should have just deferred them | 20:36 |
| ttx | but at this point, simpler to amend it after it landed | 20:36 |
| fungi | the new tc always has a voice. they (well, we for those not up for reelection) can always modify this | 20:36 |
| sdague | amrith: I can propose that as a follow on | 20:36 |
| edleafe | I think postponing sets a bad precedent | 20:36 |
| ttx | fungi: exactly | 20:36 |
| edleafe | You guys are the TC today | 20:36 |
| ttx | ok, I'll approve it now | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | edleafe: yup | 20:37 |
| mordred | edleafe: I feel like that's a t-shirt | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | we've postponed approvals in the past but for some specific cases | 20:37 |
| mordred | "TC (today)" | 20:37 |
| fungi | deferring a decision to the next leadership can be an attractive means of avoiding making decisions | 20:37 |
| amrith | ok, thx sdague fungi ttx dhellmann dtroyer_zz mtreinish flaper87 smcginnis ... | 20:37 |
| ttx | and done | 20:37 |
| amrith | heads-up folks, trove gets this tag (patch being proposed) | 20:37 |
| ttx | #topic Remove App Catalog from official projects (final discussion) | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I'm working on a follow-up right now with some of the things we said | 20:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove App Catalog from official projects (final discussion) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:38 | |
| edleafe | flaper87: sure, but there should be specific reasons, and not just as a matter of informal policy | 20:38 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok | 20:38 |
| ttx | We got the comment from olaph | 20:38 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: heh, I'll close my editor then :) | 20:38 |
| olaph | yep, i've recorded my abstention | 20:38 |
| ttx | so i'm ready to approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452086/ | 20:38 |
| sdague | dhellmann: the tc with commit is maybe specific enough to want to debate that on it's own, your call | 20:38 |
| ttx | since <edleafe> You guys are the TC today | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | ttx: go | 20:38 |
| ttx | and done | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | sdague: maybe you want to add that one? | 20:39 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, I'll do it as a dedicated add on patch, we'll see how it goes | 20:39 |
| fungi | thanks olaph! | 20:39 |
| ttx | olaph: thanks | 20:39 |
| ttx | #topic Stalled reviews | 20:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stalled reviews (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:39 | |
| ttx | OK, stalled reviews... We had a few more on the agenda, but those were unblocked and merged since then | 20:40 |
| ttx | * Add monitorstack to OpenStack-Ansible (https://review.openstack.org/444325) | 20:40 |
| ttx | This one is blocked waiting for clarification on what monitorstack is (as it sounds a bit orthogonal to OSA's goals) | 20:40 |
| ttx | I'm concerned about scope creep here, I like teams dedicated to one specific goal/scope | 20:40 |
| ttx | If the same group of people wants to tackle another goal, that's fine, they can just create another team with roughly the same people in it | 20:40 |
| ttx | But maybe I don't understand what monitorstack is | 20:40 |
| fungi | can even have the same ptl if they want ;) | 20:40 |
| ttx | (which is why I left an open question there) | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems a good question to ask | 20:41 |
| ttx | Next step there is to chase down the PTL for an answer | 20:41 |
| ttx | * Add tag assert:never-breaks-compat (https://review.openstack.org/446561) | 20:41 |
| ttx | mordred: what's the next step here ? | 20:41 |
| mordred | ttx: I should probably make a new version at some point | 20:41 |
| ttx | ok :) | 20:42 |
| mordred | ttx: otoh - in general people seemed fairly skeptical about it - so I'll likely wait until after the summit at the very earliest | 20:42 |
| ttx | I'll keep it in the pressure cooker until then | 20:42 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:42 |
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| mordred | that'll maybe give some facetime to socialize the thoughleader synergy | 20:42 |
| ttx | A few things I wanted to cover... and rosmaita posted one to the -tc list recently | 20:42 |
| ttx | First quick reminder that the TC election is going on, last days to vote | 20:42 |
| ttx | #info TC election is going on, last days to vote | 20:42 |
| mordred | (also the release naming election for r) | 20:42 |
| ttx | yes, some people were still complaining of not having received the R naming poll stuff | 20:43 |
| * smcginnis waves | 20:43 | |
| ttx | mordred: you on those ^ | 20:43 |
| mordred | oh - awesome. well, they've all gone out as far as I'm concerned | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | ttx: and one person that I know of about the TC election email | 20:43 |
| ttx | mordred: see complaints on the ml | 20:43 |
| mordred | oh - neat | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | not sure if that was a corner case but diablo_rojo_phon was on it | 20:43 |
| ttx | flaper87: ask them to contact election officials | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I did :) | 20:43 |
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| ttx | Second, due to unfortunate timing I'm on family vacation next week | 20:43 |
| mtreinish | mordred: it's probably time we start working on deploying are own civs... | 20:44 |
| ttx | So if I end up being elected I'll very likely miss the first meeting on the new membership | 20:44 |
| mtreinish | s/are/our/ | 20:44 |
| ttx | I'll push all the regular administrative stuff to be ready for review, and prepare the usual welcome package content | 20:44 |
| ttx | Anyone up for chairing that meeting ? | 20:44 |
| mordred | mtreinish: yes. I believe we do want to discuss that | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I can help | 20:44 |
| * rockyg waves too | 20:44 | |
| fungi | ttx: happened to me last election. i was on a boat in the middle of the atlantic with no internet access when the election concluded | 20:44 |
| ttx | (someone not standing for reelection ideally) | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | mordred : I have not received any email about that poll | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | oh wait | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | I'm up for election | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | ROFL | 20:44 |
| mordred | anybody know what the subject is on the list? | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | if I'm elected, I can help, I guess. | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | well, I could help even if not but | 20:44 |
| * flaper87 stfu | 20:44 | |
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| ttx | mordred: it's your thread | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I should be able to do it | 20:45 |
| ttx | "Emails for OpenStack R Release Name voting going out - please be patient" | 20:45 |
| sdague | mordred: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115077.html | 20:45 |
| sdague | and follows | 20:45 |
| mordred | thanks | 20:45 |
| ttx | dhellmann: OK, you're around on Friday ? I'll pass the package to you then | 20:45 |
| fungi | thanks dhellmann! (you saved me from having to volunteer to chair two meetings back-to-back next tuesday) | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: thanks | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, we can talk friday | 20:45 |
| ttx | sdague: wanted to discuss TC vision feedback & next steps ? | 20:45 |
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| ttx | then rosmaita wanted to talk glance | 20:46 |
| sdague | right, the vision has been out for 2 weeks now, we've definitely been getting some feedback via various channels | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I don't see rosmaita around | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | :( | 20:46 |
| ttx | I feel like a lot of it were complaints around the format | 20:46 |
| sdague | one thing I noticed was there was definitely some confusion on framing of it, I've had a few conversations with folks where until I explained the process it didn't click | 20:46 |
| ttx | flaper87: I can parrot the email he just sent, once we are done with vision | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should amend with a preamble explaining the format | 20:47 |
| fungi | i was thinking about the framing... if it just started out with a "picture this, if you will..." | 20:47 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, or a blog post on the TC blog around it | 20:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, seems we need a preamble | 20:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: maybe both? | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | sdague : if we're going to send people to this document, it probably makes sense to do it inline where they'll see it | 20:47 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: ++ to both | 20:47 |
| sdague | dhellmann: maybe, I found the explaination that I gave was nearly as long as the vision itself | 20:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so there is a summit presentation with ttx gothicmindfood and I think me, I guess that needs to cover that explaination | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | sdague : ok. maybe something in the repo we can link to from this page, then? I just don't like the context being hosted separately. | 20:48 |
| rockyg | agree with dhellmann | 20:49 |
| fungi | i think we could probably find ways to make the intent of the choice of format more explicit without adding too much prose to the start of the existing narrative | 20:49 |
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| fungi | doesn't have to be a painfully verbose description of the reasons and process for it (which i agree is also necessary but can be somewhere separate/parallel) | 20:50 |
| ttx | ok, anything else on the feedback, beyond format confusion ? | 20:50 |
| sdague | well, I think there is the more general next steps question | 20:50 |
| sdague | we're collecting various feedback now | 20:50 |
| fungi | the "after it's approved, what now?" | 20:50 |
| sdague | we're going to get some in Boston | 20:50 |
| ttx | sdague: next step after Boston is formal approval | 20:51 |
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| dhellmann | somewhere in there we should look at the feedback and decide if we want to make changes based on it :-) | 20:51 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh ++ | 20:51 |
| ttx | then starting to do things, yes | 20:51 |
| ttx | ah, yes :) | 20:51 |
| ttx | I included that in formal approval. Obviously iterate on the review and contact back people that had given specific feedback | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | so maybe that's the next step, after the forum, to have all of the feedback gathered in one place to make reviewing it easier? | 20:52 |
| sdague | I think there are some interesting bits that have popped up that demonstrate need for clarity. I guess I wonder if it makes sense to try to gather in some way in boston to discuss that feedback that we've gotten thus far to figure out if there are any major things we need to move forward | 20:52 |
| sdague | or at least have a subteam assessing that | 20:52 |
| ttx | I'll be around | 20:52 |
| ttx | We could do a late Thursday Forum discussion on the rev2 | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | sure, at the forum makes sense, too | 20:53 |
| * flaper87 will be there | 20:53 | |
| dhellmann | will we have the feedback collected in one place by then? | 20:53 |
| ttx | mostly meant as a workgroup thing but fine if people join too | 20:53 |
| * mtreinish has both his talks thurs. afternoon :( | 20:53 | |
| ttx | mtreinish: what time ? | 20:53 |
| mtreinish | err, one sec | 20:53 |
| fungi | mtreinish: our firehose talk is 4:10pm-4:50pm | 20:54 |
| * ttx doesn't have anythign yet on Thu afternoon | 20:54 | |
| ttx | it's a weird feeling | 20:54 |
| mtreinish | my laundrycloud talk is at 2:20-3:00p | 20:54 |
| ttx | ok, so the 5:00pm slot is available | 20:54 |
| sdague | when is the feedback seesion? | 20:55 |
| ttx | general feedback ? Thursday noon | 20:55 |
| ttx | Would like to go through rosmaita's email before we close | 20:55 |
| mtreinish | ttx: heh, last session of the week :) | 20:55 |
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| sdague | ttx: ok, I ceed the floor | 20:56 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2017-April/001362.html | 20:56 |
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| ttx | Basically most of the remaining Glance contributors were wiped out by the recent events | 20:56 |
| ttx | including the PTL | 20:56 |
| ttx | We might need to put it in status:maintenance-mode and appoint a PTL | 20:57 |
| ttx | to cover the basic stuff | 20:57 |
| amrith | ouch | 20:57 |
| ttx | We'll see how that goes, but it's a good hedas-up | 20:58 |
| ttx | heads-up | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | ttx: fwiw, jokke will still be around. maintenance-mode might make sense but I could ask him if he's up for the job and see if we can find a "solution" | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | but yeah, that's a terrible hit | 20:58 |
| ttx | oh sure. I'm not saying we'll have to do it. But we might | 20:58 |
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| ttx | And thanks to Brian for keeping us in the loop | 20:58 |
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| flaper87 | ++ | 20:59 |
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| ttx | On this sad note we'll close the last meeting of this membership | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | thanks everyone | 20:59 |
| fungi | rough stuff | 20:59 |
| ttx | For the next membership we'll probably reconsider the need for a meeting | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | and good luck to all the candidates | 20:59 |
| rockyg | Dang! I'm sad. But thanks, everyone. See the next team next week! | 21:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 21:00 |
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| amrith | \. | 21:00 |
| amrith | bye bye all (for now) | 21:00 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! It was a pleasure working with all of you these last 6 months | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| fungi | likewise | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 21:00:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-04-18-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-04-18-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-04-18-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | Thanks ttx | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 21:01:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Greetings all | 21:01 |
| trandles | hello | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | #link Agenda for today is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_April_18th_2017 | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hi trandles | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Martial is at DockerCon and will join intermittently | 21:02 |
| trandles | I presume b1airo is on a bus ;) | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | We've heard of stranger things! | 21:03 |
| oneswig | trandles: should we jump to the evening social while people gather? | 21:04 |
| trandles | sure, I can update | 21:04 |
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| trandles | A contract has been signed and a deposit paid for The Chart House | 21:05 |
| trandles | 70 person attendance is no problem | 21:05 |
| trandles | We've got the space from 7:00-10:00 pm | 21:05 |
| oneswig | trandles: can you share a link to the Chart House? | 21:05 |
| trandles | #link http://www.chart-house.com/locations/boston/ | 21:06 |
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| oneswig | Aha, thanks | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Do we get the outside space too? | 21:06 |
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| trandles | We have several "levels" of menu available based on $/person. From those levels we have to do something like "pick 3 of the following 4 entrees." I was planning to put the entrees up for a vote. | 21:07 |
| trandles | Not sure about the outside space. I have an email in to their coordinator already and will follow-up with that. | 21:08 |
| oneswig | trandles: might be one of those times when democracy is not the optimal outcome. I might consider choosing a balance yourself as nobody's going to put the salad as #1, you may otherwise end up with 3x dishes of fried stuff | 21:09 |
| trandles | lol, ok | 21:09 |
| trandles | I think we'll end up with 1 vegetarian option (pasta) and 2 others | 21:09 |
| trandles | The menu has to be set by April 26 | 21:10 |
| oneswig | Thanks BTW for doing so much legwork on this. An inclusive spread of options like that seems good | 21:10 |
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| trandles | no problem | 21:10 |
| oneswig | flanders_: are you there David? | 21:10 |
| flanders_ | Hi | 21:11 |
| trandles | Heyo | 21:11 |
| oneswig | Hi Flanders! | 21:11 |
| oneswig | Top of the morning to ya | 21:11 |
| trandles | I've asked their coordinator if the sponsors can send the money straight to the Chart House. Waiting to hear back on that. | 21:11 |
| flanders_ | G'Day to all yoos | 21:11 |
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| oneswig | trandles: great idea that. Much much simpler. I really hope they can | 21:11 |
| trandles | It would be easier if it went straight to them and we worked out the menu, etc. before hand and didn't have to muck about with it the night of | 21:12 |
| trandles | So long as no one in our group starts smashing up the place. :P Which I think is highly unlikely. | 21:12 |
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| oneswig | trandles: with this approach there's the question of rounding error. Say we get 65 tickets but budget for 70. That's money that ought not have gone to the venue. Could get tricky | 21:13 |
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| trandles | True. And I was wondering what we'd do with leftover funds if that happened. | 21:14 |
| oneswig | In Barcelona Colin picked up the rest of the tab, which worked out (mostly by luck) to be about $4 within budget. | 21:14 |
| oneswig | trandles: best avoided by design | 21:14 |
| trandles | indeed | 21:14 |
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| trandles | I'm not positive that all sponsors will have someone present either | 21:15 |
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| oneswig | trandles: and miss the chance to make an after-dinner speech? Unthinkable :-) | 21:15 |
| trandles | I'd like to have the financials worked out ASAP and go back and request what we need within their offers | 21:15 |
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| trandles | But that's waiting on hearing back from the coordinator... | 21:16 |
| trandles | Anyway, I'll get some marketing logos in the next day or two and get the eventbrite page up and going | 21:16 |
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| oneswig | me too, makes sense to work it out in advance. Ideally I'd keep >=1 vendor present and paying on the night. Helps with taking up any slack | 21:17 |
| oneswig | let me know what I can do to help | 21:17 |
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| oneswig | OK, we should cover the rest of the summit too... | 21:18 |
| trandles | I'll email RE: vendor reps. My vendor isn't sure who is attending from his company... | 21:18 |
| oneswig | trandles: I'm pretty sure there will be staff present from the other two | 21:18 |
| trandles | thx...that's all I have... | 21:19 |
| oneswig | OK, let's move on. Thanks Tim | 21:19 |
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| oneswig | #topic Meeting agenda | 21:19 |
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| oneswig | OK so we also have business to discuss and ought to start thinking about what to put into the meeting agenda. | 21:20 |
| oneswig | #link All summit planning goes under here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston | 21:20 |
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| oneswig | I think it's a good idea to start from the previous summit agenda and adapt | 21:22 |
| oneswig | I'll see if I can dig it up | 21:22 |
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| oneswig | #link last summit agenda here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-barcelona-agenda | 21:23 |
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| oneswig | Hi Martial, you there? | 21:24 |
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| martial | Hi stig, yes, I am here | 21:24 |
| oneswig | We are just looking at agenda items for Boston | 21:24 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:24 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:24 |
| martial | will be a little distracted likely, but will be around | 21:24 |
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| martial | #chair b1airo | 21:27 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:27 |
| oneswig | OK I added 3 core items | 21:27 |
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| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 21:27 |
| trandles | oneswig: do you want to ask if there is any activity/resolution to the follow-up to Austin items or are they "ancient history?" In particular I was thinking of Tim's accounting/quota stuff. | 21:28 |
| b1airo | Hi all, apologies - this is proving a difficult time for skool mornings | 21:28 |
| oneswig | Understandable. Agenda item for new time slots perhaps? | 21:28 |
| oneswig | trandles: I think that's a good idea for completeness | 21:29 |
| oneswig | I just fouled up the formatting, will fix.. | 21:29 |
| b1airo | trandles: yes perhaps we can link to the specs / user-stories (or whatever we are calling them now)? | 21:29 |
| trandles | that topic has received some attention lately on the mailing list | 21:30 |
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| trandles | I'll look for the thread | 21:30 |
| oneswig | er... do you remember what our activity areas were back then?? | 21:30 |
| trandles | they were listed on the Barca etherpad | 21:31 |
| martial | I think Tim had his own slot in the forum at this point on that topic | 21:31 |
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| oneswig | Ah, quite so! | 21:31 |
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| martial | I remember seeing an email thread from speaker support on this | 21:31 |
| jmlowe | I actually had to start reporting usage since Austin, I can let people know what I did | 21:31 |
| b1airo | Austin? That's where we set them for the first time? Federation, HPFS, high-performance networking, ... ? | 21:32 |
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| trandles | I linked his forum session on the agenda | 21:32 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: User stories | 21:33 |
| jmlowe | rbudden sends his regrets for not being able to make today's meeting, btw | 21:33 |
| oneswig | Ah, too bad | 21:34 |
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| oneswig | OK, what more to add on the etherpad for the Boston meeting agenda? | 21:35 |
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| jmlowe | looks kind of full for 40 minutes to me | 21:35 |
| oneswig | I think so too... | 21:36 |
| oneswig | #topic Boston lightning talks | 21:37 |
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| oneswig | OK so we ought to start casting the net for talks, right? | 21:37 |
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| oneswig | Is it too early? | 21:37 |
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| martial | oneswig: can you please reshare the link for the etherpad | 21:38 |
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| b1airo | Only 3 weeks away! | 21:38 |
| oneswig | martial: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston | 21:38 |
| oneswig | b1airo: as soon as that? OK, lets go for it. | 21:39 |
| oneswig | Is the best plan a mail to openstack-operators for this? | 21:39 |
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| martial | oneswig thanks | 21:39 |
| oneswig | And should we see about a small prize to sharpen the interest | 21:39 |
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| martial | fti, I will also have the cyborg team make a small 5 minute into so that the few of us that want to talk to them can do so on their own time | 21:40 |
| martial | fyi | 21:40 |
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| oneswig | I think it'll take several channels of publicity to raise awareness but mailing list is a start | 21:40 |
| oneswig | martial: sounds useful to me | 21:40 |
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| jmlowe | I did very well the last time I went up for a small prize | 21:41 |
| b1airo | So long as it doesn't require any branding | 21:41 |
| oneswig | aha, think your luck's still in, eh? | 21:41 |
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| martial | jmlowe: what my line ... ah yes "poster" :) | 21:41 |
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| b1airo | oneswig: u could present remotely!? | 21:42 |
| oneswig | "and now, by live satellite linkup, through at least seven openstack clouds ... ... ... and next ..." | 21:42 |
| jmlowe | second time he's been asked that today | 21:42 |
| oneswig | I perfect this, and I get to live on a desert island - deal? | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | I'm not sure it'd work for a lightning talk, although the consequences could be hilarious | 21:43 |
| b1airo | Could pre record if u have material | 21:44 |
| oneswig | b1airo: will consider it... | 21:44 |
| martial | oneswig: do a demo :) | 21:44 |
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| oneswig | I can take the task to mail on the lists, and ask around re: prize | 21:45 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: I've heard one should have three watches to truly know the time, right? | 21:46 |
| jmlowe | I'll let you know when I get the third | 21:46 |
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| oneswig | (for the rest of the room, jmlowe attends a conference in Switzerland, and wins a watch - he's lucky it wasn't a cuckoo clock) | 21:47 |
| jmlowe | Although I could offer it up a la stanley cup, winner of the best talk keeps it till the next summit | 21:47 |
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| jmlowe | much easier to pack than the second prize drone | 21:48 |
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| trandles | congrats jmlowe | 21:48 |
| oneswig | indeed! | 21:48 |
| trandles | I'm sure you declared it to customs ;) | 21:48 |
| jmlowe | I was just under the limit | 21:48 |
| trandles | \o/ | 21:49 |
| trandles | it's a free-for-all! | 21:49 |
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| oneswig | OK, I'll take an action on that. More for lightning talks? | 21:49 |
| b1airo | How many? | 21:49 |
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| oneswig | 5 minutes apiece? 10? | 21:50 |
| b1airo | 4... 10mins each? | 21:50 |
| oneswig | Oh hang on, it's 40 mins... | 21:50 |
| oneswig | 10 mins is on the long side I'd say | 21:50 |
| jmlowe | 5 @ 8 min would be my vote | 21:50 |
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| b1airo | Going by last time, 6 mins was problematicly short I recall? | 21:51 |
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| martial | being on those presenters, 6 minutes was short :) | 21:51 |
| b1airo | Question time? | 21:51 |
| oneswig | 8 mins looks good to me. | 21:51 |
| oneswig | Questions in the BoF? | 21:51 |
| jmlowe | speaking of short, we are almost out of time today if there is anything pressing | 21:52 |
| oneswig | good grief you're right | 21:52 |
| b1airo | Maybe 4x 8mins then, to leave question/discussion time at the end and house keeping | 21:52 |
| jmlowe | also I hear my children have arrived | 21:52 |
| oneswig | #topic cloud congress | 21:52 |
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| oneswig | OK, couple of quick points here: | 21:52 |
| oneswig | #link do register on Eventbrite: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/boston-open-research-cloud-workshop-tickets-31893256589 | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | #link do review the agenda taking shape: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4Y7flFgUgf9dElkaFkwbUhKblU?usp=sharing | 21:53 |
| oneswig | Any updates on the cloud congress? | 21:54 |
| martial | nothing that I saw | 21:54 |
| oneswig | OK, let's wrap up | 21:54 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | I saw this - http://intel.cmail20.com/t/ViewEmail/d/C316287F828160FA/ | 21:55 |
| oneswig | Intel are open-sourcing all their lustre work and discontinuing commercial support | 21:55 |
| trandles | I read last week's logs. +1 a scientific-wg IRC channel. Any updates on that? | 21:55 |
| oneswig | A good thing? | 21:55 |
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| jmlowe | trandles beat me to it | 21:55 |
| oneswig | trandles: ah, forgot, whoopsy | 21:55 |
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| oneswig | apologies, will follow up for next time | 21:55 |
| martial | trandles: like that | 21:56 |
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| b1airo | If it makes their support better then it's a good thing | 21:56 |
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| trandles | b1airo: +1 support | 21:56 |
| b1airo | Seems to suck at the moment | 21:56 |
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| b1airo | In APAC anyway | 21:57 |
| trandles | if it's going to be opensource I'm probably not going to fry for saying that we're working to get lustre 2.9+ on linux version 4 kernels | 21:57 |
| oneswig | I think they are withdrawing the enterprise support, not sure where that leaves their subscribers | 21:57 |
| jmlowe | bring on the ceph? | 21:57 |
| oneswig | trandles: with CentOS 5 run time? | 21:57 |
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| b1airo | Ceph FTW | 21:57 |
| martial | :) | 21:57 |
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| trandles | oneswig: nothing before CentOS 6 unfortunately | 21:57 |
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| trandles | although my need is for CentOS 7 | 21:58 |
| oneswig | phew... | 21:58 |
| oneswig | there was also this, did you see they are pulling the plug on OSIC: http://fortune.com/2017/04/14/intel-openstack-project-rackspace/ | 21:58 |
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| oneswig | And no IDF: https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intel-developer-forum-idf/san-francisco/2017/idf-2017-san-francisco.html | 21:59 |
| oneswig | The new broom sweeps clean at Intel... | 21:59 |
| trandles | indeed | 21:59 |
| flanders_ | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2017-April/002484.html | 21:59 |
| trandles | flanders_: thanks for that, had been wondering... | 22:00 |
| martial | when should I tell the cyborg team that they should be availble btw? | 22:00 |
| martial | (which of our 3 slots?) | 22:00 |
| oneswig | martial: for the lightning talks I'd say | 22:00 |
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| martial | okay | 22:00 |
| oneswig | flanders_: thanks | 22:01 |
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| flanders_ | Intel and Rax are divorcing, both are committed to Openstack still FTR | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Ah, out of time. It's going to be an interesting summit! | 22:01 |
| b1airo | martial: probably also the BoF | 22:01 |
| flanders_ | +1 | 22:01 |
| oneswig | gotta close up | 22:02 |
| oneswig | Thanks everyone | 22:02 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 22:02:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-04-18-21.01.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-04-18-21.01.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-04-18-21.01.log.html | 22:02 |
| martial | so both time slots? | 22:02 |
| martial | okay will let teh team know | 22:02 |
| trandles | ttfn o/ | 22:03 |
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| oneswig | cheers y'all | 22:03 |
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