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| zioproto | hello, is the Scientific Working group meeting going on now ? | 05:46 |
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| zioproto | oh I messed up with the time zones | 05:47 |
| zioproto | :) | 05:47 |
| zioproto | see you in 1 hour :) | 05:47 |
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| zioproto | hello | 07:04 |
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| zioproto | hello, is the Scientific Working group meeting going on now ? | 07:04 |
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| zioproto | that is what happen when you get confused about time zones :) ok now it is 7 UTC so the meeting is in two hours | 07:06 |
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| b1airo | g'day oneswig | 08:59 |
| zioproto | hello | 08:59 |
| priteau | Hello | 08:59 |
| oneswig | hello keeners | 08:59 |
| oneswig | Ready to go? | 08:59 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 09:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
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| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 09:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 09:00 |
| zioproto | hello, here Saverio Proto from SWITCH, this is my first IRC meeting for this WG | 09:00 |
| b1airo | sure, but fyi i am fighting with some switch upgrades and they are not going well, so a little distracted sorry... | 09:00 |
| oneswig | If you get cut off, we'll know what happened | 09:00 |
| b1airo | welcome zioproto ! | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Hello zioproto, thanks for joining in | 09:01 |
| priteau | Welcome zioproto | 09:01 |
| oneswig | #link today's agenda URL https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_September_28th_2016 | 09:01 |
| oneswig | #topic Accounting and Scheduling | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | Or in today's case, identity federation | 09:02 |
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| zioproto | is anyone using identity federation in production with Horizon ? | 09:02 |
| oneswig | #link zioproto's workshop in Rome: https://eventr.geant.org/events/2527 | 09:02 |
| zioproto | yes we have this WS right before barcelona | 09:03 |
| zioproto | The main goal of the WS is the identification of the current level of integration between Identity Federations, Trust & Identity technologies, and Openstack. | 09:03 |
| zioproto | The workshop idea comes from the community of the NRENs Openstack Operators (OSO), which is an informal, hands-on meet up of NREN people dealing with OpenStack in the provisioning of NREN services. Link http://swit.ch/oso | 09:03 |
| zioproto | I would like to Write a User Story with the description of what NRENs mean by federation, to deliver to the Openstack Product WG. From the Manchester Ops-midcycle it emerged that the developers of the openstack community have very confused ideas about what is federation. | 09:03 |
| zioproto | the Workshop is open to anyone interested in the topic | 09:03 |
| zioproto | if you ahve trouble loggin in the GEANT platform just contact me | 09:04 |
| zioproto | there is a google docs with the Agenda, if you want to bring content just edit the agenda | 09:04 |
| oneswig | Do we need an account with GEANT to attend? | 09:04 |
| zioproto | no, I think you can login also with a google acount | 09:04 |
| zioproto | but I never tried :) | 09:04 |
| zioproto | I mean to register in the web site to show you are participating | 09:04 |
| zioproto | we have max room for 30 people | 09:04 |
| zioproto | so we want to collect also | 09:05 |
| zioproto | experience for people | 09:05 |
| zioproto | how do you onboard your users ? | 09:05 |
| zioproto | how do you integrate the existing identity federation mechasim that you have for the other academic services | 09:05 |
| zioproto | for example a SWITCH we have a portal where you login with your federated identity | 09:06 |
| zioproto | and then the portal creates an account into keystone | 09:06 |
| oneswig | At Cambridge we are starting to look seriously at federation but are not yet started. We authenticate the cloud with the university LDAP infrastructure, but would like to reach further | 09:06 |
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| zioproto | the final goal would be to have something like EDUROAM for openstack | 09:06 |
| oneswig | zioproto: How are the account creations themselves authorised? | 09:06 |
| zioproto | we send to the user a Voucher Link | 09:06 |
| oneswig | something like eduroam but not eduroam? | 09:07 |
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| zioproto | that would be the final Goal | 09:07 |
| dariov | hello all | 09:07 |
| verdurin | Ah - that's better. Was on OFTC by mistake. Morning. | 09:07 |
| oneswig | hello all | 09:07 |
| zioproto | I hope we get there by the 'Z' release :) | 09:07 |
| zioproto | so I just wanted to adversise this workshop, and I hope to find interested people in this topics | 09:07 |
| zioproto | also, this would remove a lot of work from operators | 09:08 |
| zioproto | now we spend a lot of time managin users | 09:08 |
| zioproto | and quota | 09:08 |
| zioproto | and so on | 09:08 |
| oneswig | zioproto: for people who aren't up to speed, can you describe what you see as the current state of the art wrt identity federation in openstack? | 09:08 |
| oneswig | and what's missing? | 09:08 |
| zioproto | yes | 09:08 |
| zioproto | sure | 09:08 |
| zioproto | we had already a first workshop | 09:08 |
| zioproto | and we have a etherpad | 09:08 |
| zioproto | hold on I have to find the link | 09:08 |
| zioproto | #link https://sandstorm.cloud.switch.ch/grain/JWSXCZnKY7tQFi2P2DfvKS/ | 09:09 |
| oneswig | it needs a sign-in, alas | 09:09 |
| zioproto | ops | 09:09 |
| zioproto | let me check | 09:09 |
| b1airo | zioproto: did Simon Leinen mention NeCTAR Research Cloud has on-boarding via Australian Access Federation? | 09:10 |
| zioproto | yes he mentioned | 09:10 |
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| zioproto | oneswig: you can sign in with a github account, any account will work | 09:10 |
| oneswig | ah ok thanks | 09:10 |
| zioproto | I have no idea why is not completely public, I think for antispam | 09:10 |
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| zioproto | oneswig: also check out this page with other useful material #link https://wiki.geant.org/display/gn41sa7/Agenda | 09:11 |
| oneswig | Got a bit further, I signed in via github but now I'm at a form where I can request access. | 09:11 |
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| zioproto | b1airo: our solution is similar to Nectar | 09:12 |
| dariov | oneswig, same here | 09:12 |
| zioproto | oneswig: I will fix this permission issue as soon as we end the meeting, sorry about that | 09:12 |
| oneswig | zioproto: Is there integration between federation solutions being developed in Europe, North America and Australasia? | 09:13 |
| oneswig | ... or is that the aim of this workshop? | 09:13 |
| b1airo | so to you does this initial bootstrapping of users into your cloud count as "openstack federation"? | 09:13 |
| zioproto | sorry I used the wrong link | 09:14 |
| zioproto | try this #link https://sandstorm.cloud.switch.ch/shared/WUO9KOOMpUqWNMphapnjSe2GpPNmTEXSP_6QzrA6pfM | 09:14 |
| zioproto | oneswig: we dont know, that is a good topic for the WS | 09:14 |
| oneswig | New link works thanks | 09:14 |
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| zioproto | oneswig: especially if you want easily access for VMs in different continent for network measurements for example | 09:15 |
| priteau | zioproto: I didn't know about ospurge, useful! #link https://github.com/openstack/ospurge | 09:15 |
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| zioproto | yes, another side goal of the workshop is to have operators meet face to face and share operations best practice | 09:16 |
| zioproto | like this tools | 09:16 |
| zioproto | We organized soon before Barcelona so we can collect good ideas from this community to bring at the devs room in BCN | 09:16 |
| oneswig | zioproto: how do you expect to organise the sessions - discussions, presentations, hands-on activities? | 09:16 |
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| zioproto | we are organizing the Agenda on a google docs #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZevFuLbumCzf1kmdBy-WkeyjWBG3PfJCuaidTcYkBb8/edit | 09:17 |
| zioproto | we have the first day presentations I guess, and the second day more hands on, on practical things | 09:17 |
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| zioproto | I would like to write following this template https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-story-template.rst | 09:18 |
| zioproto | something to give to the Product Working Group | 09:18 |
| zioproto | because the commericial companies have no idea what we meant for federation | 09:18 |
| zioproto | this emerged here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MAN-ops-Keystone-and-Federation | 09:18 |
| zioproto | when you talk with Commercial Public CLoud providers about federation they have no idea about the use case | 09:19 |
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| zioproto | sorry I give a lot of links and input, maybe too much all together, but I hope I have an idea what is the workshop about | 09:19 |
| zioproto | 1. Understand what is already available | 09:19 |
| zioproto | 2. try to give feedback upstream on our use case | 09:20 |
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| zioproto | 3. meet each other to make stronger the scientific academic openstack community | 09:20 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: this all sounds good and hopefully having the summit the following week will give you some attendees from other continents | 09:21 |
| b1airo | agreed | 09:21 |
| zioproto | yes, sorry for short notice, but is not me organizing officialy | 09:21 |
| priteau | zioproto: Are you planning to share a recap of the workshop? It would be useful to bootstrap discussion at the summit | 09:22 |
| dariov | zioproto, interesting stuff, really. | 09:22 |
| zioproto | workshop is organized by GARR | 09:22 |
| b1airo | i suspect we need to split out multiple user stories from this? | 09:22 |
| mario__ | Hi | 09:22 |
| oneswig | How does this compare with Helix Nebula (for example)? | 09:22 |
| oneswig | Hi mario__ | 09:22 |
| zioproto | they have a very large deployment but for example they are not very much in touch with the community | 09:22 |
| zioproto | so this is also a motivation to get more people in | 09:22 |
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| dariov | oneswig, Helix Nebula is something completely different | 09:22 |
| dariov | that’s mainly a talking shop between “clients” and european cloud providers | 09:23 |
| mario__ | The idea is to gather che community around the issues and desired features to integrate the openstack cluster and identity federations at large | 09:23 |
| verdurin | Yes, Helix Nebula is mainly about procuring cloud resources, as far as I know. | 09:23 |
| dariov | there’s a “huge” cloud procurement going on, and identity federation is something we asked for | 09:23 |
| zioproto | mario__ is the official organizer of the workshop. He is the local organizer in Rome. | 09:23 |
| mario__ | Openstack operators is an informal meet up of the national reserach and edutacion networks community in EU | 09:24 |
| dariov | but that’s something that is under hte “Helix Nebula” umbrella, but somewhat a separate projecty | 09:24 |
| dariov | *project | 09:24 |
| oneswig | OK thanks | 09:24 |
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| mario__ | So interested people should take a look at the proposed discussion items and the agena - feel free to add possible discussion items | 09:25 |
| mario__ | at https://eventr.geant.org/events/2527 | 09:25 |
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| zioproto | mario__: read the backlog I guess you connected a bit late :) | 09:25 |
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| mario__ | yes | 09:25 |
| dariov | anyway, zioproto, we’re come across many times the “we want to federate our OpenStack, but how the hell we do it” | 09:26 |
| oneswig | So this workshop will feed into activities in Barcelona - ops sessions? | 09:26 |
| mario__ | yes. any further additional question about it ? | 09:26 |
| dariov | I’ll ask out openstack guys to have a look at the workshop, not sure they can come as they’re all flying to Barcelona (lucky them) | 09:26 |
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| zioproto | dariov: it was very difficult to do it until the Liberty release. But now all components should work | 09:26 |
| mario__ | yes, the idea is to try to skatch a summry document, again - informally - to feed possible requests coming from the discussion in Rome and find a way to ship them to Barcelona | 09:27 |
| zioproto | dariov: the CLI is the most difficult thing to federate. Web access is easier | 09:27 |
| mario__ | also collect own developments and share them | 09:27 |
| oneswig | zioproto: Does OpenStack publish any reference on federation or is it all moving too fast to be useful? | 09:27 |
| dariov | yep, I think we managed to federate to the EGI cloud, but that’s pretty much it | 09:27 |
| zioproto | Guys I have clear in my mind that if we never write a use case for people outside of our community, federation as we mean it will never be implemented or supported. | 09:27 |
| mario__ | to make just one example : how to deal with non ephemeral users | 09:27 |
| zioproto | there is a lot of demos out there but no production stuff | 09:27 |
| mario__ | pre-procure them in keystone, using domains | 09:28 |
| zioproto | oneswig: all moving very fast. Keystone was still busy changing token format until Kilo ! Shadow users and proper LDAP support appeared only in Juno or Icehouse. :) | 09:28 |
| mario__ | there are both operational and management issues, demanding steps in terms of overall set up of a system able to accomodate users from SAML identity providers | 09:29 |
| dariov | CERN has federated the two Openstack they have, right? | 09:29 |
| daveholland | is two-factor auth something that's considered with federation or is it usually handled separately? | 09:29 |
| zioproto | dariov: not exactly. They use the CERN LDAP as far as I know. | 09:29 |
| verdurin | dariov: they use cells | 09:29 |
| dariov | ah-ah, good to know | 09:29 |
| dariov | thanks | 09:30 |
| zioproto | dariov: so they have everything attached to this external LDAP, but is only 1 as far as I know | 09:30 |
| verdurin | they contributed a lot of upstream fixes to get it working | 09:30 |
| zioproto | Guys, I dont have all the answers :) otherwise I would not push to organize the workshop :) but I feel the topic is of great interest :) | 09:30 |
| verdurin | yes, the two different sites are not visible to CERN cloud users | 09:31 |
| oneswig | daveholland: good question, my guess is that authentication is separated but can anyone comment? | 09:31 |
| mario__ | please spread information as appropriate about this workshop, we will organize and support remote participation as well, | 09:31 |
| oneswig | zioproto: definitely seems to be a relevant subject to me! | 09:31 |
| verdurin | daveholland: I'd consider that to be separate from federation, at least logically | 09:32 |
| dariov | mario__, kudos for the remote partecipation | 09:32 |
| mario__ | we have still 25 places available on Premises at GARR, Rome | 09:32 |
| dariov | zioproto: it is! | 09:32 |
| b1airo | are you all aware of the effort towards a meeting specifically around scientific cloud federation at the Boston summit? | 09:32 |
| zioproto | Again at this etherpad #link #link https://sandstorm.cloud.switch.ch/shared/WUO9KOOMpUqWNMphapnjSe2GpPNmTEXSP_6QzrA6pfM we collected the compatibility matrix of the current Identity Federation solutions until Liberty | 09:32 |
| zioproto | there is an ASCI table almost at the end | 09:33 |
| oneswig | got it thanks. | 09:34 |
| oneswig | Any more on this topic? | 09:34 |
| zioproto | b1airo: I am , are you talking about this #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/13cq5Nn-BFHbLsuw8boDLUyt291G86KbUukJws7VOHWI/edit ? | 09:34 |
| b1airo | yes | 09:34 |
| mario__ | please feel free to edit the shared agenda document proposing items you feel could be useful to discuss in Rome, propose a talk if you feel like, and, also, we have to define a skeleton for a way to tructure feedback consistently | 09:34 |
| daveholland | verdurin: yes, the question was a bit tangential, wondering about the case of federating but only allowing federated uers who have 2fa | 09:34 |
| mario__ | structure | 09:34 |
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| zioproto | move on to next topic ? | 09:36 |
| oneswig | Thanks zioproto mario__ for joining and sharing those details | 09:36 |
| zioproto | you are welcome ! | 09:36 |
| oneswig | #topic Barcelona planning | 09:37 |
| mario__ | feel free to further contact me and/or Saverio about it | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | Great thanks mario__ | 09:37 |
| mario__ | you're welcome | 09:37 |
| oneswig | So there was some discussion about posters at the WG session in Barcelona but the feeling is it may be something to plan ahead for Boston instead | 09:37 |
| oneswig | We should also start gathering agenda items for discussion at the WG meeting | 09:38 |
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| zioproto | oneswig: there is a etherpad link ? | 09:39 |
| oneswig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-barcelona-agenda - fresh out of the oven | 09:39 |
| zioproto | thanks | 09:39 |
| zioproto | oh ok it is still empty | 09:40 |
| oneswig | Given the BoF and the meeting, where do discussions on matters like federation fall? | 09:40 |
| zioproto | BoF ? | 09:40 |
| zioproto | I dont know this BoF acronym | 09:40 |
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| oneswig | Yes - Birds of a Feather (stick together) | 09:40 |
| zioproto | I am editing the etherpad with this | 09:41 |
| oneswig | In the meeting we should at least talk over the four activity areas kicked off in Austin at the meeting and talk over what has happened in the meantime | 09:42 |
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| zioproto | I was not able to join Austin. Do you have the Austin etherpad link ? | 09:43 |
| oneswig | zioproto: think you could make a lightning talk from your google-ngrams item ? | 09:43 |
| zioproto | oneswig: sure ! | 09:43 |
| oneswig | #link what happened in Austin https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-austin-summit-agenda | 09:43 |
| zioproto | do we already know the timeslot and day ? I need to make sure I have in my calendar | 09:43 |
| oneswig | zioproto: we are intending to have a set of lightning talks in the BoF, no schedule as yet | 09:44 |
| zioproto | OK, but we know on what day ? | 09:44 |
| oneswig | zioproto: all I know is Wednesday morning | 09:44 |
| zioproto | perfect, I will take a not | 09:44 |
| zioproto | note | 09:44 |
| zioproto | we are working on Scientific Dataset and Hadoop/Spark. The idea is to implement at SWITCH something similar to Amazon Public Datasets | 09:45 |
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| zioproto | I can make a presentation about where we are so far, and the lesson learned | 09:45 |
| b1airo | oneswig: i take it you have not heard anything more back from speakersupport? | 09:45 |
| oneswig | b1airo: not that I'm aware of, no | 09:45 |
| daveholland | the schedule has the BoF at Wednesday 12:15pm-12:55pm | 09:45 |
| oneswig | zioproto: interesting, and when the federation's all in place will that end up with code moving to the data? | 09:46 |
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| zioproto | oneswig: yes, you will be able to start instances to our Openstack deployment and have the Data in the same datacenter | 09:46 |
| zioproto | also together with GARR me and mario__ worked on replicating the data between SWITCH and GARR so we can host it with reduced redundancy and at a lower cost | 09:47 |
| oneswig | sounds like a good vision | 09:47 |
| zioproto | how much time is the lightnening talk ? 10 mins ? | 09:48 |
| zioproto | so I can prepare the presentation accordingly | 09:48 |
| oneswig | I would expect 5 minutes | 09:48 |
| zioproto | ok, so it will be very quick :) 3 slides I guess :) | 09:49 |
| oneswig | that kind of thing, yes | 09:49 |
| oneswig | So one other item for the agenda for the meeting was the suggestion we have 3 co-chairs, geographically spread to Europe, Americas and APAC | 09:50 |
| oneswig | In order to keep an eye on (and take part in) regional events more effectively | 09:50 |
| dariov | zioproto, beware lighting talks, they’re really crazy :-) | 09:50 |
| daveholland | we (Sanger) can offer a few slides/few minutes about the private OpenStack/VMware/CloudForms system we built as a proof-of-concept? | 09:50 |
| oneswig | daveholland: I am sure that would be interesting to many people | 09:51 |
| daveholland | OK, I will make sure we have something | 09:51 |
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| oneswig | I will start to gather items for this and mail on the ops list | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | #action Stig to mail ops for BoF lightning talk subjects | 09:52 |
| oneswig | Anyone else interested in putting in a lightning talk? | 09:53 |
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| verdurin | oneswig: possibly | 09:53 |
| oneswig | verdurin: noted - possible topic to follow :-) | 09:53 |
| oneswig | OK, last item here was the evening social on Thursday | 09:54 |
| zioproto | oneswig: I went on the eventbrite and it was already fully booked :( | 09:54 |
| oneswig | ... Which is full but we are looking to extend from 30 to 50 | 09:54 |
| zioproto | yahooo | 09:54 |
| dariov | oneswig, great! I’ll pass that on to our guys | 09:54 |
| oneswig | zioproto: I'll put you on the list (we have 10 waiting) to make sure you get space if it goes through | 09:54 |
| oneswig | 10 including EBI gang | 09:55 |
| zioproto | ok it is my + 1 | 09:55 |
| zioproto | I travel with my wife that is also Openstack operator in another istitution. She will kill me if I get the seat and she does not :) | 09:55 |
| zioproto | :) | 09:55 |
| oneswig | 2 tickets down on the list | 09:56 |
| b1airo | ha! | 09:56 |
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| dariov | oneswig, should just be one from the EBI, not a gang :-) | 09:56 |
| oneswig | Got it - David Ocana? | 09:57 |
| daveholland | I am on the list but would appreciate +1 for my boss (Pete) if space allows | 09:57 |
| dariov | yep | 09:57 |
| oneswig | Pete's down too | 09:57 |
| daveholland | brill, ta | 09:57 |
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| oneswig | So hopefully we should know the score by the weekend. If we can't subsidise 100%, I think the next best is to partly-subsidise more people rather than fully-subsidise fewer. Any views on that? | 09:58 |
| zioproto | so from SWITCH we are 4. Simon already registered on the event brite. | 09:58 |
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| oneswig | Is Mario #4? | 09:58 |
| zioproto | no Mario is from GARR | 09:59 |
| verdurin | Have to go - thanks all. | 09:59 |
| oneswig | ah, we are out of time! | 09:59 |
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| b1airo | yeah agreed, i think most people would be more than happy to attend even if they with no subsidy | 09:59 |
| zioproto | thank you for the good meeting ! | 09:59 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: Sofiane? | 09:59 |
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| zioproto | oneswig: Sofiane is from EPFL | 09:59 |
| zioproto | I dont know if he knows about this dinner | 09:59 |
| zioproto | I will tell him ! | 10:00 |
| oneswig | OK zioproto let me know | 10:00 |
| zioproto | SWITCH: Saverio Simon Valery and Harald | 10:00 |
| zioproto | we are 4 travelling to BCN for the summit | 10:00 |
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| zioproto | and also I have my wife from University of Zurich | 10:00 |
| zioproto | we all plan to attend the social dinner | 10:00 |
| zioproto | but only simon registered | 10:00 |
| zioproto | I hope this clears the confusion | 10:00 |
| oneswig | OK I've updated - 1+4 | 10:01 |
| oneswig | OK all, must wrap up | 10:01 |
| oneswig | thanks everyone, great session | 10:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 10:01:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-09-28-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-09-28-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-09-28-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
| b1airo | i'm thoroughly confused... but this is not an unusual state of affairs | 10:01 |
| zioproto | thanks ! I have to rush away for lunch, bye ! | 10:01 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting requirements | 12:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 12:01:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:01 |
| tonyb | #topic rollcall | 12:01 |
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| toabctl | hi | 12:03 |
| tonyb | toabctl: howdy. | 12:03 |
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| number80 | o/ | 12:04 |
| tonyb | number80: \o | 12:04 |
| tonyb | So lets get started .... | 12:05 |
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| tonyb | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:05 |
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| tonyb | https://review.openstack.org/374302 is up there | 12:06 |
| tonyb | y'all have any thoughts on that one? | 12:06 |
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| tonyb | 'Add pykube to global-requirements' | 12:06 |
| toabctl | hm. is pykube using k8sclient internally? | 12:08 |
| tonyb | toabctl: no | 12:08 |
| toabctl | from the description it sounds like k8sclient is autogenerated and for that reason difficult to extend. | 12:08 |
| tonyb | toabctl: pykube is an external librarry that does pretty much the same thing only from some POVs better | 12:08 |
| toabctl | toI'm reading now your comments. | 12:09 |
| number80 | well, pykube is okay-ish | 12:09 |
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| toabctl | eh, tonyb ^^ | 12:09 |
| number80 | considering k8sclient state ... | 12:09 |
| toabctl | tonyb, I agree with your comments in the review. | 12:09 |
| number80 | *nods* | 12:10 |
| number80 | let's give them time to discuss first | 12:10 |
| tonyb | I missed that k8sclient was totally autogenerated | 12:10 |
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| tonyb | anything else? | 12:11 |
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| tonyb | ok moving on .... | 12:12 |
| tonyb | #topic Barcelona Design Summit | 12:12 |
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| tonyb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-ocata-summit_ideas | 12:12 |
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| tonyb | The etherpad need work (specifially I need to flesh out those ideas) | 12:12 |
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| tonyb | but feel free to add your own | 12:13 |
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| tonyb | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tasks from Etherpad (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:13 | |
| tonyb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:14 |
| tonyb | Just the same old same old. If you have time to hack on stuff thats the *long* list of things to do | 12:14 |
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| tonyb | post summit we'll have a priority list but we can work on stuff not on the priority list | 12:15 |
| tonyb | I wanted to discuss the meeting time but with only 3 of us here that's probably best done on the list or on a doodle poll | 12:15 |
| tonyb | #topic py27-with-upper-constraints | 12:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "py27-with-upper-constraints (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:15 | |
| tonyb | So that's a pretty important test that we got 90% working and then let it rot | 12:16 |
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| tonyb | it's failign with Permission denied, and when it did run it wasn't deterministic | 12:16 |
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| tonyb | Are either of you free enough to look into it and get it working? | 12:17 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:17 |
| tonyb | (It would have caught a problem with the murano-pgk-check review if it had been working) | 12:17 |
| tonyb | hey dirk | 12:17 |
| dirk | sorry, I'm late | 12:17 |
| tonyb | dirk: no problem | 12:17 |
| tonyb | dirk: thoughts on py27-with-upper-constraints? | 12:18 |
| dirk | ehm, no | 12:18 |
| tonyb | dirk: Do you have anytime to work on it? | 12:19 |
| dirk | I can work a bit on things but not in the next 2-3 weeks | 12:19 |
| tonyb | dirk: that'd be a great one. | 12:19 |
| dirk | primary thing I'm probably interested in is the lower-constraints testing though :-) | 12:20 |
| dirk | and building more tooling around the review process | 12:20 |
| tonyb | it's an important part of our testing strategy that we're missing but at the same time assuming is working | 12:20 |
| dirk | it still feels difficult to me to judge the impact of approving a change | 12:20 |
| dirk | which is why I'm a bit hesitant on reviews, even though it greatly aligns with my day-to-day work with keeping packaged openstack running | 12:21 |
| tonyb | dirk: the lower-constraints is a good one buta lot of the design discussion around the goal will be done in Barcelona | 12:21 |
| dirk | tonyb: I probably forgot the context of the py27-with-upper-constraints, is that documented somewhere? | 12:21 |
| tonyb | dirk: Not really. just in tox and the code. | 12:22 |
| tonyb | dirk: basically it installs everythign in u-c and then verifies there are no conflicts | 12:22 |
| dirk | oh | 12:22 |
| dirk | that one | 12:22 |
| dirk | so the topic is that it doesn't apss and is not voting and we should do something about that? | 12:22 |
| tonyb | dirk: but it's failing in the early setup with permission denied so its basically doing nothing | 12:23 |
| tonyb | dirk: Yup. exactly that. | 12:23 |
| tonyb | make it work, make it pass, make it vote | 12:23 |
| dirk | yes, thats good | 12:23 |
| dirk | ok, I'll put it on my todo | 12:23 |
| tonyb | dirk: Great! | 12:23 |
| dirk | but it will be slow for the next days for sure | 12:23 |
| tonyb | dirk: No rush, it's never worked :( | 12:24 |
| * dirk checks if the error he has locally matches the jenkins error | 12:24 | |
| tonyb | but it *should* have caught a bug this week but I've trained myself to ignore it because it doesn't work and doesn't vote :( | 12:24 |
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| tonyb | okay .... | 12:25 |
| dirk | hmm, the local error is a lot more meaningful than the server one | 12:25 |
| tonyb | dirk: Yeah. I can't get the Permission denied error locally | 12:25 |
| tonyb | #action dirk to take a run at py27-with-upper-constraints | 12:26 |
| tonyb | #topic Open Discussion | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | Anything? | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | going twice ..... | 12:28 |
| tonyb | Okay Thanks everyone | 12:30 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 12:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 12:30:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-28-12.01.html | 12:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-28-12.01.txt | 12:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-28-12.01.log.html | 12:31 |
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| ronghui__ | :) | 13:00 |
| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
| ronghui__ | hello | 13:00 |
| yinxiulin | hello | 13:00 |
| WuCheng | hello | 13:00 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 13:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:00 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| ronghui__ | #info ronghui | 13:01 |
| lzy | #info liuzyu | 13:01 |
| hejiawei | #info jiawei | 13:01 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:01 |
| liukun | #info liukun | 13:01 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:01 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:01 |
| WuCheng | #info Wucheng | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic patch review before freeze date | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | as you know, we'll have a branch "Newton" on Sept.30 | 13:02 |
| joehuang | and thank you all for your hard work | 13:02 |
| joehuang | now only two "MUST to have" patches not merged | 13:03 |
| joehuang | for installation.rst, I think it looks good to me for current version | 13:03 |
| joehuang | volume basic operation needs more several round review | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | so we can focus on how to clean the current branch | 13:05 |
| joehuang | to Ronghui, Jiawei, do you have any challenge to finish this two patches? | 13:05 |
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| ronghui__ | for the installation.rst no problems | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | good | 13:06 |
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| hejiawei | I have some question about the test | 13:07 |
| ronghui__ | for the volume basic operation, we have ready for the code but some problems in the tox test | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | py27 or pep8? | 13:08 |
| hejiawei | erver_ips need implement | 13:08 |
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| hejiawei | py27 | 13:08 |
| hejiawei | sorry | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | all failed except doc test? | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326192/ | 13:10 |
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| hejiawei | server_ips need implement,but I temporary take over this patch,I have some question about nova_apigw code | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | please | 13:12 |
| hejiawei | this is the fail log AssertionError: Expected 'action_resources' to be called once. Called 0 times. | 13:12 |
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| hejiawei | I can't find the reason | 13:12 |
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| hejiawei | and for tempest test, testr result.html.ge not show what test case fail.But it fail | 13:14 |
| hejiawei | sorry,it is testr results.html.gz | 13:14 |
| zhiyuan | do you mean test_server_ips.py? | 13:14 |
| hejiawei | yes | 13:14 |
| zhiyuan | I don't see you call action_resources in the controller | 13:15 |
| joehuang | just "api.client.get("/servers/%s/ips" % self.server_id)" called | 13:16 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, so you get an AssertionError | 13:17 |
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| hejiawei | how should I do, to call action_resources | 13:17 |
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| zhiyuan | you write your test case based on your code, not write code based on your test case | 13:18 |
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| zhiyuan | so just change the assertion in your test case | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | assert the url is called | 13:19 |
| joehuang | you can refer to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369958/9/tricircle/tests/unit/nova_apigw/controllers/test_action.py | 13:20 |
| joehuang | line 384/385 | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan | for the tempest test, I am not sure if the problem is caused by your code since it doesn't pass py27 and pep8, so please pass py27 and pep8 first | 13:21 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:21 |
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| hejiawei | OK | 13:21 |
| joehuang | ok, so Jiawei please go on for the patch improvement | 13:21 |
| joehuang | hello, let's now talk about the next topic | 13:22 |
| joehuang | #topic tricircle cleaning | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | hello, patches needed to clean the tricircle | 13:23 |
| joehuang | let's list them in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleSplitting | 13:24 |
| joehuang | item 6 | 13:24 |
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| zhiyuan | Does it mean that we make a plan of patches? | 13:26 |
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| zhiyuan | Or we add the patch to the list after we submit a patch | 13:27 |
| joehuang | we list patches has been submitted and need to submit, then set a plan | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | for patches not submit yet, just leave a short description | 13:28 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | #info Try to get these above cleanning patches merged before Oct.19, before Barcelona summit. | 13:46 |
| joehuang | #info Try to get tricircle cleanning patches merged before Oct.19, before Barcelona summit. | 13:47 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | #topic summit sessions planning | 13:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit sessions planning (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:47 | |
| joehuang | we have two sessions in OpenStack design summit Barcelona | 13:48 |
| joehuang | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-tricircle-sessions-planning | 13:48 |
| joehuang | please be aware that only Tricircle (networking automation related topic) | 13:48 |
| joehuang | to be discussed in the design summit session | 13:48 |
| joehuang | #info Fishbowl (73 people) room on Thursday(Oct 27) at 5:30pm-6:10pm | 13:49 |
| joehuang | #info Workroom (20 people) on Friday(Oct 28) at 9:00am-9:40am | 13:49 |
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| joehuang | #info Use round tables room for the rest of Friday(Oct 28) at 9:40am ~ 6:10pm | 13:49 |
| joehuang | so please input the topics you want to discuss for the coming Ocata release | 13:50 |
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| zhiyuan | I have added some | 13:50 |
| joehuang | great! | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | we'll have meeting for f2f in Barcelona with onling meeting too | 13:52 |
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| Yipei | @joe, how to join online meeting? | 13:54 |
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| ronghui__ | same question+1 | 13:55 |
| joehuang | we'll provide etherpad for each topic's discussion | 13:55 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:55 |
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| joehuang | this is the way of openstack design summit, talking and writing at the same time | 13:55 |
| joehuang | f2f better, but if you were not there, you can still attend the discussion | 13:56 |
| ronghui__ | ok | 13:56 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:56 |
| joehuang | ok, please add the topics you want to discuss offline | 13:56 |
| joehuang | time is up now | 13:57 |
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| joehuang | other topics? | 13:57 |
| ronghui__ | no | 13:57 |
| Yipei | no for me | 13:57 |
| dongfeng | no | 13:57 |
| zhiyuan | no | 13:58 |
| joehuang | please keep the link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-tricircle-sessions-planning | 13:58 |
| yinxiulin | no | 13:58 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you for your attending | 13:58 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 13:58:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-28-13.00.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-28-13.00.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-28-13.00.log.html | 13:58 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 13:58 |
| hejiawei | bye | 13:58 |
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| joehuang | bye | 13:58 |
| dongfeng | bye | 13:58 |
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| lzy | bye | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 14:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
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| krotscheck | Good morning everyone! | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-09-28 | 14:00 |
| cardeois | hello | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | рш | 14:00 |
| larainema | o/ | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 14:00 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Action followup: space-before-function-parens. | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois, msmol were working on this? | 14:01 |
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| cardeois | review is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375068/ msmol did it and it's merged | 14:01 |
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| cardeois | there still is the eslint global config to update if we want to | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | Woot! | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | Right- the governance on theat project requires more votes. | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | We could just gang land it though | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | :) | 14:02 |
| msmol | sorry i'm late, we're talking about es-lint stuff? | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, we mentioned that we can do a global update. | 14:03 |
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| msmol | Yes, I meant to open a review in that project, but I just haven't had a chance yet. I'll try to get that open today or tomorrow | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | Excellent! | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | #action msmol add space-before-funcitno-parens rule to eslint-config-openstack | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: All of krotscheck's things. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Followup: All of krotscheck's things. (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:04 | |
| * krotscheck has had no time to work on anything, so I either have to delegate or punt again | 14:04 | |
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| krotscheck | Task 1: bother Ajaeger about doc publishing | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | That's my patch, I should probably just do that. | 14:04 |
| cardeois | OK where's the patch already? | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | Yeah: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346131/ | 14:05 |
| cardeois | thanks | 14:05 |
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| krotscheck | Task 2: Propagate release documentation from eslint to other projects. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356473/1/doc/source/releasing.rst | 14:06 |
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| cardeois | This one I can help if you want but I don't fully understand it | 14:07 |
| cardeois | Is that to release a version to npm? | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | No, it's to copy the documentation that betherly wrote into the other projects so we know how to do it. | 14:07 |
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| cardeois | Yeah but what's the goal of this doc? after you have a tag it will publish to npmjs ? or that's another step | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | Tagging will trigger the release workflow, which will make the infra systems publish the package to npm. | 14:09 |
| cardeois | Alright cool, so it's not complicated to do then, just copy/paste | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | I can hand that off to you then? | 14:09 |
| cardeois | Yes, can you add those 2 tasks in storyboard? | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | Roger wilco. | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck create release documentation tasks in storyboard | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: js-lib in fuel-ui | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Followup: js-lib in fuel-ui (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:10 | |
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| krotscheck | Sooooo.... keystonev2, eh? | 14:10 |
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| vkramskikh | hi, I posted an update yesterday | 14:11 |
| vkramskikh | currently fuel uses v2 api | 14:11 |
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| vkramskikh | i'm figuring out if it's possible to migrate to v3 | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | Right, and it does so in a weird way that creates a random auth domain with every instance. | 14:11 |
| vkramskikh | v3 api are available on the master node, but they require domain names which seems to be unique for every installation | 14:11 |
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| vkramskikh | I didn't see any other blockers in using js-openstack-lib, I was able to successfully include in tn the fuel build | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | Context: auth and project domains are used for auth federation - one keystone master knowing to accept tokens from a different keystone master and so forth. | 14:12 |
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| krotscheck | Nice! | 14:12 |
| cardeois | We could maybe also add support of keystone v2 in js-openstack-lib? | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | I don't see any problem with that, except that we then have to solve the "How do you pick more than one supported version" problem. | 14:13 |
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| vkramskikh | I'll try to solve issues with switching to v3 and report on the next meeting and we'll see what we can do here | 14:14 |
| cardeois | yeah true. I feel like for MVP we should focus on v3, and see if vkramskikh can figure out a way to use v3 in fuel. It's not like it's a lost of time to upgrate keystone in fuel | 14:14 |
| cardeois | cool | 14:14 |
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| krotscheck | Alrightey. | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: Get your barcelona info to yujunz! | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Followup: Get your barcelona info to yujunz! (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:15 | |
| krotscheck | Did everyone reach out to him? | 14:15 |
| cardeois | Nope I didn't but I should ! | 14:15 |
| msmol | oops, nope | 14:15 |
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| larainema | I can easily connect with him:) | 14:16 |
| vkramskikh | oh I didn't | 14:16 |
| larainema | But I will not at Barcelona | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | larainema: Yeah, I won't either. | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | #action vkramskikh Try to make fuel support keystone v3, report back. | 14:17 |
| msmol | we should start a gofundme to get you guys over there ;-) | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | #action cardeois msmol vkramskikh Get contact info to yujunz | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | msmol: Well, for atlanta I'm going to apply for a scholarship. | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | msmol: But I missed the window this time. | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | Even so, I strongly encourage everyone to hang out in the App Developer's lounge as much as possible. | 14:18 |
| cardeois | Yep will try | 14:18 |
| krotscheck | Oh, also, it looks like there _will_ be an SDK fishbowl. | 14:18 |
| * krotscheck probably mentioned that at one point. | 14:19 | |
| krotscheck | ALright, moving on. | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP Status | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "MVP Status (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:19 | |
| krotscheck | So, the biggest blocker righ tnow is nova. | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | And CORS in nova. | 14:19 |
| cardeois | Yeah did you figure it out? | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | Nope. I spent 3-4 hours trying to get nova running in a debuggable environment | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | And did not succeed. | 14:19 |
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| krotscheck | Next attempt is to modify the nova code live in a devstack instance and see if I can figure out why the CORS middleware isn't being triggered. | 14:20 |
| cardeois | Ok so I could maybe try to help you on that next week | 14:20 |
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| cardeois | (even if I don't know how to do that) | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | Yeah, I don't either. This is all new ground for me, and I don't have handy nova experts to reach out to anymore :) | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | Actually.... | 14:21 |
| * krotscheck makes a note to poke auggy | 14:21 | |
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| krotscheck | Anyay | 14:22 |
| cardeois | ok, so anyway if you want help or pair via screen sharing or whatever let me know | 14:22 |
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| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Try to unblock nova. | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | Willdo. | 14:22 |
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| krotscheck | That's all I have today. Anyone else have progress on our things in storyboard? | 14:22 |
| cardeois | for mvp neutron was merged | 14:22 |
| cardeois | networklist is open : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376997/ | 14:23 |
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| cardeois | There's a merge conflict with this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369319/ | 14:23 |
| cardeois | dong ma I guess need to rebase | 14:23 |
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| krotscheck | larainema ^^ | 14:24 |
| cardeois | And last for storyboard, I created this last week, feel free to assign any task if you want to contribute https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000729 | 14:24 |
| larainema | sure, I will do it later | 14:24 |
| vkramskikh | + I suggest to move openstack class from index.js to a separate file - since index.js contains only reexports now | 14:24 |
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| cardeois | Yeah didn't think about that but good idea | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | cardeois +2 LGTM | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | Sweet | 14:25 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, anything else Otherwise I'll end the meeting early | 14:25 |
| cardeois | Well for the readme, I created that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374220/ | 14:25 |
| cardeois | did a bunch of copy paste, english is not my native language so I'd like some reviews | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | Right! | 14:25 |
| cardeois | But this is a WIP mostly because the doc URL is not available yet | 14:26 |
| cardeois | Should I maybe remove the WIP and depend-on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346131/ ? | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | Ah, it's WIP,Looks good, actually | 14:26 |
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| krotscheck | The docs job won't publish the readme, this is the docs page for npmjs.org | 14:27 |
| cardeois | Yeah but readme contains this link: http://developer.openstack.org/sdks/javascript/js-openstack-lib | 14:27 |
| cardeois | which is 404 for now | 14:27 |
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| krotscheck | Oh. Yes. | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | Hrm. | 14:28 |
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| krotscheck | Yeah, maybe a depends-on would be good. | 14:28 |
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| cardeois | alright will do | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | Coolio. | 14:28 |
| * krotscheck makes a note to wake up at 4 tomorrow to try and debug nvoa | 14:28 | |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone, that wraps it! | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 14:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 14:29:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-28-14.00.html | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-28-14.00.txt | 14:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-28-14.00.log.html | 14:29 |
| cardeois | Yep bye ! | 14:29 |
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| SotK | no storyboard meeting today, since Zara is holidaying and there isn't anything pressing for me to discuss with myself | 15:00 |
| SotK | we'll return to normally scheduled meeting excitement next week | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu mdovgal | 16:00 |
| flip214 | hi | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:00 |
| hemna | yough | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | hi | 16:00 |
| erlon | hey! | 16:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
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| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
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| scottda | hola | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_Cinder_Team_meeting | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | goobily hoobily | 16:00 |
| baumann | Hi there | 16:00 |
| chris_morrell | \o/ | 16:00 |
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| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
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| rhe00 | hi | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| adrianofr_ | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | There was a question earlier in channel, so I'll state it here to make it official - I'd like Ocata to be mostly bugfix and stabilization. | 16:01 |
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| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | There are some features in flight that I consider part of that "stabilization". | 16:02 |
| erlon | smcginnis: +1 | 16:02 |
| _alastor_ | smcginnis: +! | 16:02 |
| _alastor_ | smcginnis: +1 | 16:02 |
| erlon | smcginnis: WILL IT BE OPEN TO NEW DRIVERS? | 16:02 |
| erlon | opss | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I'd love to see some of that get wrapped up and not be "in-progress" for another release. | 16:02 |
| dulek | :D | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | erlon: YES | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:02 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:02 |
| Swanson | erlon, inside voice. | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | can we explicitly add "testing" to that list, please? | 16:02 |
| * erlon screaams! | 16:02 | |
| smcginnis | hah! | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Yeah, I think testing will be a very important part of both stabilization and bugfixing. | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | (I'm very slow typing at the moment due to injury, sorry) | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | But I'll try to remember to call that out explicitly from now on. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: How's the hand? | 16:03 |
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| DuncanT | Not fallen off yet. Not actually working very well though | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | :/ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully it improves. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cinder-designsummit-planning Summit planning | 16:04 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | With those goals in mind - we need to plan our summit sessions. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Testing will be part of it for sure. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Please add ideas to the etherpad. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | Once we get a little closer we can prioritize and get sessions assigned. | 16:05 |
| dulek | smcginnis: I guess we need a session on all the things we're considering "in-progress"? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Sure, we could. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | dulek: It needs to be discussed somewhere at least. :) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | One more announcement before moving on with the agenda - I need to cut RC2. | 16:06 |
| dulek | And what are we actually considering in-progress besides A/A? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Maybe I'll start an etherpad. | 16:07 |
| bswartz | dulek: rolling upgrades | 16:07 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: you are talking about core features, right? new drivers and driver features are still ok? | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | xyang2: Yes, contained to drivers it should be OK. Just no changes to Cinder core that could destabilize things or slow down completion of things like HA A/A. | 16:07 |
| scottda | Cinder-Nova API changes and multi-attach are in-progress | 16:07 |
| dulek | bswartz: I would love to continue the work on stabilizing that in Ocata, but I don't think it should make a priority per-se. | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | Nova-cinder api | 16:07 |
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| dulek | DuncanT: +1000 :) | 16:08 |
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| hemna | scottda, I think multi-attach is probably out for O | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: That will be a big one. I think we're close there now. | 16:08 |
| hemna | scottda, we need to stabilize the new api first | 16:08 |
| hemna | my $0.02 | 16:08 |
| dulek | Okay, these 3 things probably will drain enough time to fill-up Ocata. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, if we can at least get the new APIs in palce, then hopefully we're in a good spot for Pike. | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | dulek: getting better validation and testing of rolling upgrade would be great to see | 16:08 |
| dulek | DuncanT: Working on it! :) | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | So on the subject of me needing to cut the RC2... | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Nooooo!!!! | 16:09 |
| dulek | hemna, smcginnis: There will be riots, you remember? ;) | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: hemna I do plan to have multi-attach shortly after the new api calls | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #topic FFE RBD Replication | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: You have the floor. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 | 16:09 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: thanks | 16:09 |
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| geguileo | Ok, so RBD replication was accepted as a FFE | 16:10 |
| geguileo | And all dependent patches have merged in master | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | Just the RBD driver patch remains | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: So you're probably not going to like this, but... | 16:10 |
| geguileo | And it needs some love | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: This has gotten late and that's a lot of changes to push in right before cutting a release candidate. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I'd actually feel better leaving that for O at this point. | 16:11 |
| geguileo | :''-( | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | geguileo: I did some testing today, it works for me | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | I'll review the code tonight | 16:11 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: In my defense all those other patches are bugs we had in Cinder | 16:11 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: So a backport and merge at this point is no longer an option? | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: If folks are comfortable with it and feel the risk is low, I can probably be convinced otherwise. | 16:11 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Should we vote or something? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: But I'd want to see those go through today if we're going to do it. | 16:12 |
| bswartz | I can't believe it's not merged already! I thought that FFE was granted more than a week ago | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Who has tested the patches in a real deployment? | 16:12 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I have ;-) | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Well that's good! :) | 16:12 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: And apparently e0ne has as wel | 16:12 |
| geguileo | s/wel/well | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | Anybody can easily test it, I provided a script to deploy everything | 16:13 |
| geguileo | 2 Ceph clusters properly configured | 16:13 |
| e0ne | geguileo,smcginnis: I tested it with multinode devstack with 2 separate ceph clusters | 16:13 |
| geguileo | Devstack with the patches, etc | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: OK, great. That does help. | 16:13 |
| bswartz | IMO it's way too late to be merging features into Newton -- I would feel nervous about even merging a bugfix this late | 16:14 |
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| hemna | bswartz, +1 | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: That's my dilemma. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | It's hopefully isolated to the driver. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | But changes should be very minimal by this point. | 16:14 |
| dulek | But it's contained to a single driver and enabled by config only, right? | 16:15 |
| bswartz | when the FFE request game through, I thought it was debatable, and I assumed it would merge immedately after it was granted | 16:15 |
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| geguileo | dulek: The remaining patch to master is | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: +1 | 16:15 |
| hemna | I think it's too late now. | 16:15 |
| geguileo | dulek: But for the backport it requires the other patches as well | 16:15 |
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| eharney | how likely are we to end up backporting the bugfix patches regardless of the rbd replication code? | 16:16 |
| dulek | geguileo: Oh, sure, I don't find them itrusive. | 16:16 |
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| e0ne | geguileo: so, we should allow FFE not only for RBD replication patch:( | 16:16 |
| geguileo | dulek: If those are not intrusive the RBD part is disabled by default | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | String changes as well... | 16:16 |
| geguileo | e0ne: Yep | 16:17 |
| geguileo | e0ne: At least 1 of the patches already has 2 +2 and +A | 16:17 |
| dulek | e0ne: Wait, bugfixes aren't features. | 16:17 |
| geguileo | e0ne: And another one 1 +2 | 16:17 |
| patrickeast | So, my 2c, I think for pretty much every driver that implemented replication there were additional fixes needed after the fact as people started using and testing it in different scenarios | 16:18 |
| e0ne | dulek: not critical bugfixes are not allowed for Newton at the moment | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Sorry, I think we're going to have to push to O at this point. | 16:18 |
| dulek | e0ne: That's a fair point. | 16:18 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: OK | 16:18 |
| patrickeast | So imo the odds of these not breaking *something* is pretty low | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'd like to withdraw my agenda item, on consideration. It's way too late. | 16:19 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: By that you mean breaking something out of the replication stuff or the replication having bugs? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: ++ | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Was wondering about that. ;) | 16:19 |
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| patrickeast | geguileo: both I suppose | 16:19 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I've not been paying enough attention to where we were in the cycle | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo, DuncanT: Both of these I think we can get going in master. But just too late with too much risk with an RC2 imminent. | 16:20 |
| geguileo | noted | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: I'll buy you a (free) beer in Barcelona. :) | 16:21 |
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| geguileo | XD XD XD | 16:21 |
| geguileo | Thanks! | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Moving on then... | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | #topic Getting ActiveActive/HA in the O release | 16:21 |
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| scottda | So, here's a chance to help geguileo mop up some of the tears shed for not getting RBD replication into Newton... | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | scottda, geguileo: | 16:22 |
| dulek | Buying a "free" beer is a paradox. :P | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: ;) | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: I'll even buy two. | 16:22 |
| scottda | We're into the 3rd? release for AA/Ha | 16:22 |
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| geguileo | scottda: Yup | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Yep | 16:22 |
| scottda | I think we've all seen the architecture, and merged a bunch of patches in N. | 16:22 |
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| scottda | IF we're committed to getting this in O, let's get it in soon. | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: +1 | 16:23 |
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| e0ne | +1 | 16:23 |
| scottda | This will allow focus on testing and finding bugs. | 16:23 |
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| erlon | scottda: +1 | 16:23 |
| geguileo | scottda: +1 | 16:23 |
| e0ne | do we want to move feature freeze to O-1 milestone? | 16:23 |
| scottda | I semi-jokingly proposed a review day and Merge Fest. But maybe that's a good idea? | 16:23 |
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| bswartz | When I look at the Ocata schedule I see 8 weeks that are not holidays between Design summit and Feature Freeze | 16:24 |
| Swanson | So with no features going in can we expect every company to pull resources? | 16:24 |
| dulek | e0ne: 0-1 is just 2 weeks after the summit. This is a bad idea IMO. | 16:24 |
| scottda | WE merged about 12 patches on the last day of the mid-cycle, and really moved this along. Should we try something like that soon? Before the summit? | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: We'll just be restrictive about what we do allow in. | 16:24 |
| e0ne | dulek: I had to agree with you | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Yeah, really short span on this one. | 16:24 |
| geguileo | scottda: +1 | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Sounds like a plan. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Good idea. | 16:25 |
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| scottda | geguileo: Can you go over the patches in the BP and make sure they are ready to go, and status updated as to which are ready for review? | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Schedule reminder for folks: https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 16:26 |
| scottda | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-volume-active-active-support | 16:26 |
| geguileo | scottda: OK | 16:26 |
| eharney | is there a clear mark at this point of when we will consider HA "complete"? (i.e. after patchsets X, Y, and Z land?) | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Good question | 16:27 |
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| geguileo | scottda: I'll work on the replication to A/A patch and create unit tests for all WIP patches by next week | 16:27 |
| geguileo | scottda: And then update the BP | 16:27 |
| geguileo | scottda: So on next meeting we should be able to set a day for the merging | 16:27 |
| scottda | Maybe geguileo can also indicate the "complete" point, as opposed to any "optional" stuff? | 16:28 |
| bswartz | eharney: how about when it's deployed in production? | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: +1 | 16:28 |
| eharney | bswartz: well i assume we will be shaking out bugs for a bit, just wondering as far as what it means to "get it in O" | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: We have other patches we can merge in the meantime, right? | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: I mean while you're working on the replication piece. | 16:28 |
| scottda | #action geguileo Will update AA/HA BP and prepare for code reviews and merging | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | The idea at the midcycle was to get things merged so they could get more runtime and shake out bugs. | 16:29 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Yeah, I'll update the BP and remove the -2 I have on the first patch | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | I think now's a good time for doing that again for O. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Cool, thanks! | 16:29 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: In the BP I'll reflect which patches are ready for merging | 16:29 |
| scottda | smcginnis: geguileo I updated that BP a couple weeks ago, just to keep Merged vs. WIp stuff up to date | 16:29 |
| xyang2 | geguileo: what your blog link on how to test AA again? Is it in one of the etherpad? | 16:29 |
| bswartz | eharney: that should be determined by the stakeholders who want this feature so badly | 16:30 |
| scottda | #link http://gorka.eguileor.com/manual-validation-of-cinder-aa-patches/ | 16:30 |
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| scottda | xyang2: ^^ | 16:30 |
| xyang2 | scottda: thanks | 16:30 |
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| geguileo | xyang2: I have to update the post, but it's this one: http://gorka.eguileor.com/manual-validation-of-cinder-aa-patches/ | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | And automated tests are also being worked on? | 16:30 |
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| geguileo | scottda: You were faster than me :-) | 16:30 |
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| xyang2 | geguileo: thanks | 16:30 |
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| hemna | I don't think there is enough detail on that blog page..... | 16:31 |
| scottda | smcginnis: We were just discussing last hour in cinder_testing how to do automated tests... | 16:31 |
| geguileo | hemna: I'll update it and add a little bit more including the API cleanup stuff ;-) | 16:31 |
| hemna | :P | 16:32 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Some of it will prove tricky. | 16:32 |
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| geguileo | Yeah, it's tricky because you can't tell if they are getting evenly distributed and if the DB is being properly cleaned up | 16:32 |
| scottda | But once code is in, we get existing Tempest testing for free. So there'll be some indication that things still work and don't get broken. | 16:32 |
| geguileo | By evenly I mean round robin | 16:32 |
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| winston-d_ | Is there a way to trigger some issues without having A/A deployment? | 16:33 |
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| scottda | winston-d_: We had discussed how some type of error-injection would be good. But there's no infra for that ATM | 16:34 |
| geguileo | winston-d_: What do you mean? r:-?? | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | Killing nodes? | 16:35 |
| winston-d_ | I mean to prove Cinder A/A works, job distribution is one thing, the other is things like DLM is working properly. | 16:35 |
| geguileo | winston-d_: Oh, yeah, that's the next step of what I want to manually test | 16:36 |
| hemna | probably need some rally runs for that | 16:36 |
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| geguileo | winston-d_: But I want to get all the cinder stuff in before focusing on the DLM part | 16:36 |
| scottda | Yeah, and some manual testing with sleeps would be good for checking the races. But hard to do in an automated infra-approved way. | 16:36 |
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| geguileo | scottda: I have some ideas on how to do that, I just have to find the time to do a PoC | 16:37 |
| scottda | OK, well it looks like some of the Cleanup patches could be reviewed and merged anytime. | 16:38 |
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| winston-d_ | I really want to see how Cinder with A/A is running differently from what it is now, e.g. using the hostname hack and rabbit to do round-robin 'A/A'. | 16:39 |
| scottda | and geguileo is going to look at some of the stuff marked WIP at the moment, and clean up the BP before next week. | 16:39 |
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| scottda | winston-d_: Look at geguileo 's blog for manual testing. | 16:39 |
| scottda | winston-d_: It show really good details. | 16:40 |
| winston-d_ | reading | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else on this we should cover in the meeting? Or just follow up in channel as we go? | 16:40 |
| scottda | Nothing more from me. | 16:40 |
| geguileo | I'm good | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Thanks guys. | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT's topic is deferred. Any other topics? | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Going once... | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Going twice... | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone! | 16:42 |
| geguileo | Thanks! | 16:42 |
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| winston-d_ | thx | 16:42 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 16:42:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-28-16.00.html | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-28-16.00.txt | 16:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-28-16.00.log.html | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:42 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 17:02:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Sorry I'm late. I was fighting with the kettle | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | Trying to get some hot water before the meeting. Failed :( | 17:02 |
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| cdearborn | o/ | 17:02 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | \o | 17:02 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | I don't have any announcements | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | Anyone else | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | ? | 17:03 |
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| jroll | grenade is down | 17:03 |
| jroll | seems relevant :) | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | As always the agenda is: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | Doop! | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #info Grenade job is broken. Unable to contact host issue | 17:04 |
| sambetts | Devstack subnet pools seems to have broken several third party CIs | 17:04 |
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| sambetts | including mine.. | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: I was asking Vasyl if he though it could be an issue. | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | s/though/thought/ | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | sambetts: Do you think it could be related? | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | And how did you fix your CI? | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade gate job broken | 17:06 |
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| sambetts | I havn't yet, its still broken, I'm waiting for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378063/ | 17:06 |
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| sambetts | if that gets accepted, otherwise I'm going to have to rework my local.conf it seems | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | #info There was a patch regarding subnetpools that 'might' be related to the breakage: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356026/ | 17:06 |
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| jroll | might be worth someone putting up an ironic patch to disable that and see what happens | 17:07 |
| rajinir | o/ | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | #info vsaienk0 is looking at it, thinks it might be neutron being too slow: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377653/ | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | I'll give it a shot after the meeting. | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | Anything else regarding broken Grenade job? | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Multi-node Grenade | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | #info Work continuing on getting patches merged. List is at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | #info Some patches have been merged. But still a lot left. | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | That's all I have. | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor) | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | I don't see krtaylor in the meeting. | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: Do you have anything? | 17:10 |
| rajinir | Is there guidelines to recheck tests that are failing ? | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | rajinir: Can I get more details? | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | rajinir: Is this in you are writing a 3rd Party CI? | 17:11 |
| rajinir | recheck patches that failed in CI. | 17:11 |
| rajinir | Yes, the CI builds are broken because of subnet pool issue | 17:11 |
| sambetts | I have pinned my version of devstack in my CI before the subnet pools merged in the hopes that I can get it working while we work out the problems with the new version | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | rajinir: Okay, that is unrelated to 3rd Party CI, I think. | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | o/ hey everybody, sorry I'm late | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | rajinir: But basically don't do 'recheck' until the issue is determined. We are not sure what is the cause of the broken grenade gate job yet. | 17:12 |
| rajinir | jlvillal: The thirdparty Ci builds are broken for us | 17:12 |
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| sambetts | rajinir: you should have a separate recheck command for your third party CI | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | rajinir: Each 3rd Party CI should expose a command to only recheck their job. | 17:12 |
| rajinir | We do, but going and rechecking every single build that failed for the past two days can be painful | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | rajinir: And that command should be stated by the 3rd Party CI in the message it posts. | 17:13 |
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| rajinir | Probably can write a script | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: krtaylor Know the command format. | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | ?? | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | well, technically, it is just recheck, it should trigger all systems | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: Right we don't want to do that. That is wasteful. | 17:13 |
| rajinir | Have fixed it now with the upstream pending review. Builds are working now | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | yes you do, you don't want to get in a situation where one passes another doesnt | 17:14 |
| sambetts | I think rajinir is asking do they need to recheck it for all the patches their CI failed on | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | and you just recheck until it passes | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: What sambetts said. | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | however, that is not done generally | 17:14 |
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| krtaylor | sambetts, it can be either the test system that rechecks or the developer | 17:14 |
| sambetts | as in is it the Third party CI maintainers responsibilty to recheck all the patches | 17:14 |
| sambetts | or the patch owners | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | rajinir: Yes you could probably right a script to figure out every patch your CI voted -1 and execute a recheck of your CI. | 17:15 |
| jroll | I'd say patch owner / reviewer | 17:15 |
| sambetts | ++ | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | there are those that believe each side is responsible, I believe it is up to the project to decide | 17:15 |
| rajinir | +1 | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | Anyway, I will let krtaylor run this part of the meeting :) | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | hehheh, it seems to be running fine :) | 17:16 |
| sambetts | I would suggest that when a third party CI has issues, an email is sent to the ML to state that people are to expect the failures so they don't spam rechecks | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | yes, a dev can also check http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic | 17:17 |
| sambetts | and then when the issues is resolved a second one is sent out to make people aware the issue is fixed and should recheck their own patches | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | it is good practice | 17:17 |
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| sambetts | I didn't know about that, that site is awesome! | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | the goal is to get the CI dashboard hosted as an official infra service, then there are things that can be automated, such as email | 17:18 |
| sambetts | #link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic | 17:18 |
| krtaylor | the effort stalled | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | there is an infra spec somewhere... | 17:19 |
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| rajinir | Link is useful. Thanks | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | we had proposed at one time for CI systems to update their status on the ThirdPartySystems wiki | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | but it is hacky at best to show that on the index page | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | and no programmatic way to do it | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | but I digress | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | anything else on CI? | 17:21 |
| sambetts | Nothing from me | 17:21 |
| rajinir | — me too | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | k, I'll turn it back over to jlvillal | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | Thanks krtaylor | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:22 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone have anything? | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | <openstackgerrit> John L. Villalovos proposed openstack/ironic: Testing a revert to see if fixes Grenade https://review.openstack.org/378928 | 17:23 |
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| jlvillal | I'll see if that makes any difference | 17:23 |
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| jlvillal | If there is nothing else... | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | I do, re: molten iron - is there enough interest in test systems using it to propose it as a sub-project? | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | rajinir, you all are using it too right? | 17:24 |
| rajinir | krtaylor: In progress, yes, would be nice to add that as sub-project | 17:25 |
| krtaylor | there are a couple of patches to add tests | 17:25 |
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| krtaylor | reviews would be nice, that will get it closer to a cookie cutter project proposal | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | Thanks krtaylor. | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | Anything else? | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371729/ | 17:27 |
| rajinir | Will review, sure, thks | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370218/ | 17:27 |
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| krtaylor | I think thats them | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | hamzy on my team is working on that | 17:27 |
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| krtaylor | well, if there is enough interest, I'll put it on the list to discuss at summit | 17:28 |
| sambetts | ++ | 17:28 |
| krtaylor | thats it for me jlvillal | 17:28 |
| rajinir | ++ | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | Thanks everyone. | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | I think we are done. | 17:29 |
| sambetts | thanks jlvillal | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | thanks! | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| rajinir | thanks | 17:29 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 17:29:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-09-28-17.02.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-09-28-17.02.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-09-28-17.02.log.html | 17:29 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 17:59:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 17:59 |
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| pcarver | hello | 17:59 |
| bh526r | Hi Paul | 17:59 |
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| bh526r | Good afternoon | 17:59 |
| krenczewski | Hello | 18:00 |
| alraddarla_ | hi | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Darla | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | Please info your names | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:01 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #info Jin Li (sits beside Bin in office) | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info Thierry has kindly assigned a session slot to Gluon project from 9:50am-10:30am on Friday Oct 28 | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info And 10:30am-11:00am is break time, so we can use the room until 11:00am | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info After that, there are roundtables set up in another room. We can continue to finish our work in one of the roundtables | 18:05 |
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| alraddarla_ | #info Darla Ahlert | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info Robert has kindly designed visual flyer of Gluon. | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info We can use this flyer in Barcelona | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin is reviewing the flyer, and will share with everyone | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #topic Tracking Progress of Neutron Plugin for Gluon | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info Task "Push code from Github to Gluon repo" is completed. Thanks to Tom and Ian | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom has submitted initial proposal describing ML2 approach | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #info This proposal was reviewed by Paul, and core team. Thank you for very good feedback. | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info The proposal was agreed and merged | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | #info Interim Gluon Neutron ML2 Plugin Code was submitted as part of code submission. | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info So this was done | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info Niko submitted proposal of Database Migration from SQLLite to MySQL | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info It was reviewed and merged | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info Ian suggested that we'll commit this now and revise it as discussed with changes to address the two points. | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | #info Nikolas has volunteered and is writing the test and setting up the CI. | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Jin is working on database testing proposal | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info Ian will be working on devstack installer this week based on code pushed to repo | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info Georg is on vacation for next 2.5 weeks. We will discuss port and service binding model after comes back to work | 18:14 |
| bh526r | Any other information and update from anyone else? | 18:15 |
| pcarver | I posted a review with some cleanup of the initial code | 18:15 |
| pcarver | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377079/ | 18:15 |
| bh526r | great. | 18:15 |
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| pcarver | mostly fixing import order per OpenStack guidelines | 18:16 |
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| pcarver | also removed an attribute on the assumption that the FIXME comment was correct, but I haven't tested Gluon with the change | 18:16 |
| pcarver | in fact, I haven't attempted to install and run Gluon | 18:16 |
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| pcarver | but the FIXME comment included a bug URL and the bug fix was released in 2015 so hopefully the bug is fixed | 18:17 |
| bh526r | Are there code changes? | 18:17 |
| pcarver | just the deletion of the __name__ attribute referenced in the FIXME | 18:17 |
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| pcarver | and a couple of whitespace fixes although I forget if those were in code or comments | 18:18 |
| bh526r | Ok, I will let Ian and Tom know | 18:18 |
| pcarver | Gerrit highlights non-PEP8 compliant whitespace in red so it's easiest just to get rid of it | 18:19 |
| bh526r | Any other update? | 18:19 |
| pcarver | I have a question, not an update | 18:20 |
| pcarver | Proton generates the API code, right? | 18:20 |
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| pcarver | Does it generate the API documentation or does that need to be written "manually"? | 18:20 |
| bh526r | Yes, kind of code. | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | That's been planned for, but not a priority now. | 18:21 |
| bh526r | We goal now is to make the whole system work | 18:22 |
| pcarver | We're going to need to publish API documentation to http://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/quick-start/index.html eventually | 18:22 |
| bh526r | Then add necessary doc stuff | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | (Ian has stolen Bin's keyboard for a moment) So Proton produces APIs on demand to the YAML files' specifications. We could make it so that a YAML file had to come with an md/rst file for documentation of the interface, or add a utility so that Proton pulled API deocumentation details from the YAML, but note that those APIs are not Proton APIs - they're APIs that Proton generates - so it's not Proton documentation itself. | 18:26 |
| bh526r | Proton has documentation but no APIs of its own | 18:27 |
| bh526r | s/has/needs/ | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | pcarver: while I'm here, did your patch get us full tox -e pep8 compliance? | 18:28 |
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| pcarver | bh526r: I didn't validate PEP8 programatically | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | OK. If I get time I'll pull it and try, but we can add compliance (and enable the test) in a future patch rather than delay yours | 18:29 |
| pcarver | and I'm not sure the import order is PEP8, I think it's just an OpenStack hacking guideline | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | Those patches cause so much disruption and conflicts that it's best to get them in early | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | It isn't pep8 but I think the tox default tests spot it | 18:30 |
| bh526r | (Ian runs away) | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | Now I am back. Any other update or topic to discuss? | 18:33 |
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| bh526r | If no other business, let us adjourn the meeting to save everyone 25 minutes | 18:35 |
| bh526r | #info meeting adjourned | 18:35 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 18:35:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-28-17.59.html | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-28-17.59.txt | 18:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-28-17.59.log.html | 18:36 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone | 18:36 |
| bh526r | bye all | 18:36 |
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| krenczewski | bye | 18:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 19:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 19:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hello everyone | 19:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | roll call? | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 19:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Hello lbragstad | 19:00 |
| vhoward | o/ | 19:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hi vhoward | 19:01 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hello! | 19:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 19:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Hi DevonBoatwright and njohnston | 19:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok looks like 5 of us are here | 19:01 |
| vhoward | ༼ノಠل͟ಠ༽ノ ︵ ┻━┻ | 19:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | lol | 19:01 |
| DevonBoatwright | ROFL | 19:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:02 | |
| ShillaSaebi | I cant remember any off the top of my head | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | but let me check | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok confirmed, none | 19:02 |
| ianychoi | Helllo :) | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi ianychoi | 19:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:03 | |
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| ianychoi | :) | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | we've got one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354093/ | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | feel free to take a look and review | 19:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:05 | |
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| ShillaSaebi | No more reports for the Newton cycle! | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | Thank you to all the specialty team leads for the work you put in, much appreciated | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | feel free to check out the link above for the latest updates | 19:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | do we have any specialty team leads here today? | 19:07 |
| DevonBoatwright | you.. | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | if so, please make sure to get your release notes in | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | hah | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | :D | 19:07 |
| DevonBoatwright | ;) | 19:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Vote for a doc team mascot by next week (closing at UTC 2200 Sept 30 2016) | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vote for a doc team mascot by next week (closing at UTC 2200 Sept 30 2016) (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:08 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-team-mascot | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | get your votes in! | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | Google form #link: https://goo.gl/forms/FJeEoWcMf6panrPr1 | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | If you haven't patched documentation in the last year and vote anyway, Anne will find you and nullify your vote hehe | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything more on that? | 19:09 |
| * njohnston proudly wears his "I voted" sticker | 19:09 | |
| ShillaSaebi | cool me too heh | 19:09 |
| ianychoi | I voted :) | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome! | 19:10 |
| DevonBoatwright | I voted! | 19:10 |
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| vhoward | me3 | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | woo hoo | 19:10 |
| vhoward | 4 | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to release | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to release (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:10 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20161006T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Newton+Launch+Date&font=slab | 19:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 19:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | 7 days until release | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Summit prep | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit prep (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:11 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ocata-DocsSessions | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | so the session suggestions are closed | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you for all of you that put in your suggestions/feedback/comments | 19:12 |
| ianychoi | Wow.. I need to encourage translators to translate Newton deliverables after 7 days later.. thank you! | 19:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anytime :) | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | take a look at the sessions | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | if you're in barcelona, would love to see you all | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | Project Team Gathering | 19:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | The Project Teams Gathering (PTG) is a new event organized by the OpenStack Foundation. Every six months (Q1 and Q3), at the beginning of the development phase of a release cycle, project teams will meet in person to discuss priorities for the upcoming cycle, iterate quickly on solutions for complex issues, and make fast progress on critical items." | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | " It is part of a reorganization of the event formerly known as the Design Summit, which is now split between our biannual Summit (where feedback listening, requirements gathering and cross-community discussions happen) and the PTG (where the actual development work is being organized.)" | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | just wanted to give you all a heads up on this | 19:15 |
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| ianychoi | Yep thanks..! | 19:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open discussion | 19:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:17 | |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone have anything they would like to bring up? | 19:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | ill give it another minute | 19:19 |
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| ianychoi | Nothing too special for me, but if anyone wants to help from translation parts, feel free to tell me. | 19:20 |
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| ianychoi | I would like to have more keeping on touch with doc teams, as my role for I18n Ocata PTL | 19:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | that would be awesome | 19:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks for joining today | 19:21 |
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| ianychoi | It's my great pleasure! | 19:22 |
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| njohnston | \o | 19:22 |
| DevonBoatwright | Thanks Shilla | 19:22 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright if nothing else we can go ahead and call it | 19:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 19:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 19:23:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-09-28-19.00.html | 19:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-09-28-19.00.txt | 19:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-09-28-19.00.log.html | 19:23 |
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| ekhugen | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 20:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: wos_mentoring)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:00 |
| ekhugen | #topic SpeedMentoring | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SpeedMentoring (Meeting topic: wos_mentoring)" | 20:00 | |
| ekhugen | hi, who's here for women of openstack mentoring? | 20:00 |
| MeganR | Hi | 20:00 |
| ekhugen | Hi MeganR | 20:00 |
| ekhugen | I think aimeeu said she'd be late | 20:01 |
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| MeganR | and I think Carol is out this week | 20:01 |
| ekhugen | ah, yes | 20:01 |
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| ekhugen | ildikov are you here? | 20:02 |
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| ekhugen | we'll give people a few more minutes | 20:02 |
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| MeganR | sure | 20:03 |
| ekhugen | thanks for volunteering to send the follow up surveys meganr | 20:03 |
| ekhugen | Hi Dlynch! | 20:03 |
| DLynch | hello | 20:03 |
| ekhugen | we're giving people a few minutes to gather, Carol's out this week and Aimee said she'd be late | 20:03 |
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| MeganR | ekhugen: no problem, I need to circle back regarding the mentors with matches that fell through, so this will work in sync. | 20:04 |
| ekhugen | cool, fyi when I send out emails I try to make sure of two things: | 20:05 |
| ekhugen | 1. I put [openstack] [mentoring] in the subject | 20:05 |
| ekhugen | 2. use bcc for everyone to avoid reply all storms | 20:05 |
| MeganR | excellent points - who do you want bcc'd on these? | 20:05 |
| ekhugen | oh the whole list I put in bcc | 20:06 |
| MeganR | ok, cool | 20:06 |
| MeganR | I don't think I did that last time :) | 20:06 |
| ekhugen | it's not bad for small groups, but I think there are like 92 email addresses in that group | 20:06 |
| ekhugen | so that could get painful if someone does a reply-all :-) | 20:06 |
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| ekhugen | okay, I think it's just the three of us at this point | 20:07 |
| ekhugen | about the only thing I have for speed mentoring is the call for mentors | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen | kendall really nicely sent out the general call for mentors to a couple listservs | 20:08 |
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| MeganR | it was great, I forwarded it two my team, and think 2 of them have signed up | 20:08 |
| ekhugen | but I'm thinking we want to do a specific call for mentor for Speed Mentoring. Ask them if they're interested in that to put it in the additional information about themselves | 20:09 |
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| ekhugen | Meganr I was hoping diablo_rojo would be in the meeting today, I don't have the link yet to the new spreadsheet for the new survey | 20:09 |
| ekhugen | but that's great, at least we know we have two signups :-) | 20:10 |
| MeganR | yes, that is a good idea, Andrew Mitry has already asked me about the speed mentoring and I would like to send that out to our team attending the summit | 20:10 |
| MeganR | yes - and you can let me know if they cause any grief! :) | 20:10 |
| MeganR | one is my boss!! | 20:10 |
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| ekhugen | lol I'm sure they won't :-) | 20:10 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: hi, I'm here, sorry for being late | 20:10 |
| ekhugen | does anyone else want to send out the call for mentors for speed mentoring? I think it should go to WOS and the general listserv | 20:11 |
| ekhugen | hi ildikov | 20:11 |
| ekhugen | and then maybe we can also pass it around our companies, if we know of people who will be at barcelona | 20:11 |
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| ekhugen | oh hi diablo_rojo_phon | 20:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 20:12 |
| ekhugen | we were just talking about the new mentoring survey, thanks so much for sending that out! | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | No problem :) | 20:13 |
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| ekhugen | is there a new google docs spreadsheet that those results are going into? | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I had some bounces for a few of the ML that I'm not apart of. | 20:13 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Yes there is. I can get you that link after the meeting. | 20:13 |
| ekhugen | okay cool, thanks! | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | If anyone is in a ML other than WoO or Dev could they forward it out? | 20:14 |
| ekhugen | sure, I can forward to the openstack general one | 20:14 |
| ekhugen | I'll also do the separate call for mentors for speed mentoring, we should also probably mention the need for mentors at upstream too | 20:15 |
| ekhugen | right ildikov, you're still looking for about 10 for that? | 20:16 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: we have about 35 people registered so far according to my last info | 20:16 |
| ildikov | we have 50 as a limit | 20:16 |
| ildikov | I'm not sure when you started to reach out to people before the earlier trainings | 20:16 |
| ildikov | just to get an idea how many will finally show up | 20:17 |
| ekhugen | I think we actually started earlier for austin, but this is basically a month before | 20:17 |
| ildikov | so if we would make it up to 50 then 10 mentors/helpers would really be needed | 20:17 |
| ildikov | we didn't have a that good show up rate for Austin IIRC | 20:18 |
| ekhugen | do mentors for upstream need to RSVP for the upstream event | 20:18 |
| ildikov | I don't know how we can do a better job to predict now | 20:18 |
| ildikov | I don't think so | 20:18 |
| ildikov | did they ever had to? | 20:18 |
| ekhugen | I'm not sure if that was clear for austin | 20:18 |
| ekhugen | but okay, I will send out a mentors needed for austin events call, and ask them to put in either (or both) speed mentoring or upstream university in the additional information field | 20:19 |
| ildikov | I will ask how big the room is, but it sounds odd to me | 20:19 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: that sounds great | 20:20 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: as I told you earlier we have current;y 19 people interested in the mentoring program too | 20:20 |
| ekhugen | anything else to talk about with the calls for mentors or the speed mentoring event? | 20:20 |
| ekhugen | yes, can you reach out to them and let them know about the new signup form, please? | 20:21 |
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| ildikov | you mean that those students should sign up on the new form for the mentoring program? | 20:21 |
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| ekhugen | if they're interested in long term mentoring, then yes, I think they should sign up for that on the new form | 20:22 |
| ildikov | ok, I will reach out to those people separately then | 20:22 |
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| ekhugen | we probably won't match them until after the summit though | 20:22 |
| ekhugen | just because we still have a backlog of other mentees to match | 20:23 |
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| ildikov | do they need to mark anywhere there that they're signed up for the upstream training? | 20:23 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: if you cannot match them before the training then we might do the registration with them there | 20:23 |
| ildikov | but well, both works for me | 20:24 |
| ekhugen | okay, that works too, whichever is easier for you | 20:24 |
| ildikov | I just don't want to flood people with too many mails | 20:24 |
| ildikov | :) | 20:24 |
| ekhugen | if you have time at the end of the training and want to point them to the form, that might work best | 20:24 |
| ildikov | just to avoid confusion, but I'll give it another tought later and let you know | 20:25 |
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| ekhugen | okay thanks | 20:25 |
| ildikov | also we might get more attention and dedication if we do that at the end of the training | 20:25 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: thanks! | 20:25 |
| ekhugen | and we would only get people who had really been through upstream training, which is good too | 20:25 |
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| ekhugen | I think this covers speed mentoring and upstream training, anything else for either of those topics? | 20:26 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: yeap, that can be beneficial also | 20:26 |
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| ekhugen | #topic Follow up survey | 20:27 |
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| ekhugen | diablo_rojo_phon very nicely got the follow up survey ready https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring_feedback_survey | 20:27 |
| ekhugen | and meganr volunteered to send it out | 20:27 |
| ekhugen | so I think we're set there, any questions/comments about it? | 20:28 |
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| ekhugen | this meeting is going fast, nice :-) | 20:29 |
| ildikov | :) | 20:29 |
| ekhugen | #topic Graduation plan | 20:29 |
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| ekhugen | I think there was a bit of a discussion last week about this when I was out | 20:29 |
| ekhugen | reading the logs I thought the discussion more focused on the follow ups than on what we should make the plan | 20:30 |
| ekhugen | do I have that right? | 20:30 |
| MeganR | sorry, I was also out last week | 20:30 |
| ekhugen | I think we had talked about a couple prong approach to graduation | 20:31 |
| ekhugen | 1. surveys to find out who's still meeting/if things ended prematurely | 20:31 |
| ekhugen | 2. graduation criteria for helping mentees realize when they're ready to be on their own | 20:32 |
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| ekhugen | 3. a time limit on mentoring in the case that the relationship doesn't reach a natural conclusion | 20:32 |
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| ekhugen | do people agree with those? | 20:32 |
| DLynch | I agree | 20:33 |
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| ekhugen | so I think we have #1 down | 20:33 |
| ekhugen | we've talked about #2 a bit, but we haven't put anything out on the wiki page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors | 20:33 |
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| ekhugen | so does anyone want to pull together some of the ideas of how a mentor/mentee should know when they're ready to graduate and how to end a relationship appropriately? | 20:34 |
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| annegentle | ekhugen hiya | 20:35 |
| ekhugen | hi annegentle | 20:36 |
| annegentle | ekhugen I'm late to the discussion, was the idea of a time limit (year or six months) brought up? | 20:36 |
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| ekhugen | yes, so that was the kind of third prong of our graduation approach | 20:36 |
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| annegentle | ekhugen ah, ok, not phases but prongs basically | 20:37 |
| annegentle | ekhugen I'm not sure a mentee ever needs to be "on their own" I guess... what's the intent, setting and meeting goals? | 20:38 |
| ekhugen | yes, we wanted to give some guidelines and criteria that maybe then a mentee/mentor could decide "we want the relationship to go until I get to this point" | 20:38 |
| annegentle | ekhugen ok that makes sense | 20:38 |
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| ekhugen | which I think someone suggested maybe one point would be that a mentee feels like they could be a mentor themselves | 20:38 |
| annegentle | ekhugen yeah we definitely want that happening! :) | 20:39 |
| ekhugen | but beyond that, if it doesn't reach that point naturally, then a time limit makes sense | 20:39 |
| ekhugen | so I don't know if maybe DLynch, you've written up some nice docs for the surveys, do you think you could take a stab at writing up some graduation criteria? | 20:40 |
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| annegentle | ekhugen I will write a para for the wiki | 20:41 |
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| ekhugen | okay, thanks annegentle | 20:41 |
| DLynch | I can take a look. to be honest I'm at a lost with this one but let me think about it. Is that ok? | 20:41 |
| ekhugen | sure, I think if you go back in the etherpad, we've had some suggestions on this | 20:41 |
| annegentle | DLynch how about you read what I write, and edit as needed -- are you "watching" the wiki page? | 20:42 |
| ekhugen | we've just never really gathered them up | 20:42 |
| DLynch | yep I'm watching :) | 20:42 |
| ekhugen | cool, thanks Dlynch and annegentle! | 20:43 |
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| ekhugen | and so what do we think for a timeframe for the outer limit of a mentoring relationship? 1 year? is that too long? | 20:43 |
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| aimeeu | Would 6 months be more realistic? | 20:44 |
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| annegentle | summit to summit is about right whether goals are technical or career related | 20:44 |
| annegentle | release to release, both about six months | 20:44 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | annegentle: +1 | 20:44 |
| aimeeu | or project teams gathering to PTG? | 20:45 |
| MeganR | I agree, summit to summit | 20:45 |
| DLynch | maybe six months with the option to renew for another six? | 20:45 |
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| MeganR | do we need to set a "no longer than" timeline? | 20:45 |
| ekhugen | okay, so do we want to adjust the program so we only put out new matches before summits or PTGs? | 20:45 |
| annegentle | ekhugen what's your cadence currently for matching? | 20:45 |
| annegentle | ekhugen and based on incoming requests what is pragmatic? | 20:46 |
| aimeeu | ekhugen: I think that would be logistically easier | 20:46 |
| ekhugen | right now we'd been matching as new mentors came in, since we had a backlog of mentees | 20:46 |
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| ekhugen | but that was more just because we were trying it out | 20:46 |
| annegentle | ekhugen how deep is the backlog nowadays? | 20:47 |
| ekhugen | doing 4 matches a year would be easier, and it would probably be good for mentees/mentors too, so they'd know when to expect to get matched | 20:47 |
| ekhugen | on the technical side, around 30 mentees | 20:47 |
| annegentle | ekhugen yeah if you don't mind air quotes deadlines :) | 20:47 |
| ekhugen | I think we're keeping up on the career side | 20:47 |
| annegentle | that seems like good cadence to me | 20:47 |
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| ekhugen | okay, yes, that definitely makes sense (and eliminates a bunch of guilt I feel in weeks when I don't check the spreadsheet) | 20:48 |
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| annegentle | ekhugen all for that :) | 20:49 |
| ekhugen | I'll add to the wiki page when the next matching is set to take place, I'll aim for October 20, since it's right before the summit? | 20:49 |
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| annegentle | ekhugen as a deadline, sure | 20:49 |
| ekhugen | anything else on graduation plans? | 20:50 |
| annegentle | ekhugen none from me | 20:50 |
| ekhugen | thanks everyone that was a really productive discussion | 20:51 |
| ekhugen | #topic Open | 20:51 |
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| ekhugen | We have 9 minutes left, any other topics? | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Do we have stats somewhere about how many people we had signup for the batch for Austin? | 20:52 |
| diablo_rojo | And how many matches we made and stuff? | 20:52 |
| ekhugen | by signup for the batch for austin, you mean how many mentors/mentees signed up before the summit and how many matches we made? | 20:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yes :) | 20:53 |
| ekhugen | I can extract that from the spreadsheet pretty easily | 20:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | I'd be interested to know. I'm writing an article for OpenSource.com about it | 20:53 |
| ekhugen | I'll put the results in our etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_mentoring_12_3 and send you a mail when they're out there? | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Perfect | 20:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | Also we have 24 people signed up already with this new round | 20:54 |
| ekhugen | yay! | 20:54 |
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| ekhugen | nice | 20:55 |
| ekhugen | any other topics? | 20:56 |
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| diablo_rojo | I got nothing. | 20:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh actually | 20:56 |
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| diablo_rojo | I asked Anne at the foundation to tweet from the OpenStack handle about the next round and she said she would in the next 48 hours or so | 20:57 |
| ekhugen | awesomesauce | 20:57 |
| diablo_rojo | So look for that so you can retweet :) | 20:57 |
| MeganR | that's great! | 20:58 |
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| ekhugen | nice! | 20:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Is there anything else we need attention drawn to or help with from the foundation ? | 20:58 |
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| ekhugen | I don't think so | 20:59 |
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| ekhugen | speed mentoring is on the agenda now, so thank you! | 20:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio. Let me know if something comes up :) | 20:59 |
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| ekhugen | will do thanks diablo_rojo | 20:59 |
| ekhugen | okay, have a good day everyone! and thank you! | 20:59 |
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| MeganR | Bye! | 21:00 |
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| ekhugen | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 21:00:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-09-28-20.00.html | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-09-28-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-09-28-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 21:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
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| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| acoles | here | 21:01 |
| kei_yama | o/ | 21:01 |
| cutforth | buenos dias | 21:01 |
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| bkeller` | o/ | 21:01 |
| sgundur | hi | 21:01 |
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| dmorita | hi | 21:01 |
| nadeem | hi | 21:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:01 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
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| jrichli | h | 21:02 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:02 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is at | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | let's dive in | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic swift release for newton | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | we've got 2.10.0 tagged and released | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | there were a couple of other things that would have been really nice to have seen land before newton, so I asked the release team to not yet make the stable branch | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | however, we're out of time for that | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | so right after the meeting, I'll ask the release team to go ahead and create the stable branch from the 2.10.0 tag | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | rather than cutting a new 2.11 or 2.10.1 release with a little more stuff in it | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | make sense? any questions on that? | 21:04 |
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| mattoliverau | cool | 21:05 |
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| acoles | makes sense | 21:05 |
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| jrichli | yep | 21:05 |
| notmyname | great | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | #topic barcelona summit | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | the summit is coming up quickly | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | I've created an etherpad where we can collect topic ideas | 21:06 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata_swift_summit_topics | 21:06 |
| notmyname | please add your topic/idea/subject as soon as possible | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | like recent summits, I want to schedule these in blocks of topics | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | I know there's some great stuff in progress and some other ideas not fully developed yet that we'll need to cover | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | any questions on the summit logistics or barcelona or anything else? | 21:07 |
| acoles | notmyname: would it be useful for people to list any summit presentations they have to help plan to avoid conflicts? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | yes | 21:08 |
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| acoles | on same etherpad? | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | yep. I just added a section to put that | 21:08 |
| acoles | i see it :) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | very good idea. thanks | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | clayg: nadeem: here yet? | 21:09 |
| nadeem | yep | 21:09 |
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| clayg | yes | 21:10 |
| notmyname | great | 21:10 |
| notmyname | any other questions/comments about the summit before we move on to a hummingbird/golang topic? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:11 |
| notmyname | #topic update on hummingbird integration | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/humming-replication-server | 21:11 |
| notmyname | clayg: you're up with nadeem | 21:11 |
| clayg | well - I mainly just wanted to broadcast a couple of updates | 21:11 |
| clayg | nadeem: has been putting the rubber to the road so to speak and few things didn't work out quite like we "planned" back in austin | 21:12 |
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| clayg | 1) it's probably not going to be useful practicle to try to make a feature/repconn branch and select just bits with from feature/hummingbird while that branch continues to live | 21:12 |
| clayg | ... instead dfg/redbo/nadeem et. al. are going to try to pair down feature/hummingbird to just the bits we want - then we'll rebase feature/hummingbird as a series of merged to master and bring over everything | 21:13 |
| nadeem | agree | 21:13 |
| clayg | unifiying dev on master - and additional experiment stuff like container servers and proxy work will happen wherever (more feature branches github w/e) | 21:13 |
| clayg | 2) the object-server will be included as part of the merge | 21:14 |
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| clayg | so this means basically we'll have two object-servers - which we wanted to avoid - but trying to seperate the code from the object engine knowning that we *want* to add it back in is not practile | 21:14 |
| clayg | practical? | 21:14 |
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| clayg | anyway - so we wanted to avoid having two object servers on master - but we not going to | 21:15 |
| clayg | instead we're going to have *the* object server (the python one) and the hummingbird object server - which will be behind some kind of "do not use" door until we finish parity work and kill the python object server | 21:15 |
| clayg | so... that was the "broadcast" - people can still complain - nothing has landed yet - we don't even know if *any* of it is *acctually* going to go on master | 21:16 |
| notmyname | well, to be fair, we were probably going to have some small bit of overlap where we'd have both object servers. this just makes that overlap longer than initially expected | 21:16 |
| clayg | but for the tim being the plan of "pulling stuff out of feature/hummingbird" only includes the parts we *don't* have a clear plan to merge | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | +1 good plan IMO | 21:16 |
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| clayg | stuff that we definately want to make feature complete and replace the python bits with hummingbird implementations are part of "the integration work" (i.e. object-replicator, object-server, and various minimal set of cli tools needed to support new replicator features) | 21:17 |
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| clayg | that's the upate | 21:17 |
| notmyname | does that make sense to everyone? | 21:17 |
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| acoles | yes. thanks for the update | 21:17 |
| clayg | again - feel free to raise concerns and ask questions complain - tell us how you would do it it different - blah blah balh | 21:18 |
| clayg | either now or async - i just didn't want anyone not knowing what's going down | 21:18 |
| * acoles notes that he is not everyone | 21:18 | |
| timburke | while we have that overlap, do we expect that operators will only ever run the python object server? | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | timburke: that's what I expect right now | 21:18 |
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| mattoliverau | I know the line where to split object server from replicator has been really difficult, so I guess it makes sense. Are we going to leave the object server out of swift-init or something? | 21:18 |
| ahale | presumably not _all_ operators ? :) | 21:19 |
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| clayg | timburke: yes, we have to code in tree - but as far as everyone who depends on swift should care there is only the one - and there will only ever *be* one - but two pieices of code will exist | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ahale: you're special ;-) | 21:19 |
| acoles | timburke: IIRC from a previous conversation the go object server would not be runnable via swift-init | 21:19 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah. that's the plan. that's the gate behind which it hides | 21:19 |
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| ahale | thx :) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ahale: what acoles just said | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ahale: which AFAIK isn't how you run it anyway | 21:19 |
| clayg | ahale: yeah I mean that's acctually the main point - most of the decision to have feature/hummingbird go away is to support cloud files not having to track patches against multiple implementation branches | 21:20 |
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| clayg | and hopefully going up until and after integration a lot of the commits on the object-server will be focused on preparing to remove the python object server | 21:20 |
| torgomatic | I thought the replicator was going to have its own replication-protocol socket that it listened on, so then replication wouldn't go through the object server at all; am I just making stuff up? | 21:20 |
| ahale | cool - sorry, i was making a kind of bad joke but its good to have the reasoning out there too | 21:20 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: so that part isn't so much part of the "update" - but that design is being debated | 21:21 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: oh, okay. I thought it was a done deal. | 21:21 |
| clayg | torgomatic: someone had that idea at one time - nadeem even wrote that implementation and if you check out feature/hummingbird right now you get that | 21:21 |
| clayg | it's not great | 21:21 |
| clayg | it also has not a lot to do with why the object-server is coming into master | 21:21 |
| notmyname | all that (in great detail) is in the etherpad, right? | 21:22 |
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| clayg | "getting rid of feature/hummingbird" instead means taking everything cloud files needs for production | 21:22 |
| nadeem | yep | 21:22 |
| acoles | I guess it might be good to document that we would not be intending to support the golang object server upstream until it is "officially" available? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | but there still isn't a final decision on where to do the object replicator listener | 21:22 |
| clayg | like it doesn't really make sense to have to pacthc the object engine on maser so you can fix a bug in the object-server that's in a different branch | 21:22 |
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| clayg | acoles: we might have the code in there but disabled with a build flag - that's TBD - the point is that fixes to the object-server will happen in the normal review process to master | 21:23 |
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| acoles | clayg: yep | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | what is the big work left to do in hummingbird object server to have parity with python object server? EC support? | 21:24 |
| clayg | acoles: but yah - docs will be part of the merge - it should be clear from multiple documents what is supported expected and how to configure it / upgrade - everyhting | 21:24 |
| clayg | if it's not crystal by the time we're trying to merge it that's a big red flag we're not doig it right | 21:25 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: yes all the stupid mime documnt handling is the big thing - needed for ec and encryption | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | did POST get in yet? | 21:25 |
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| clayg | there's some ec specific data layer object enngine stuff that's needed too obvs | 21:25 |
| acoles | optimistic GETs I assume | 21:26 |
| clayg | ... and POST - specifically fast-POST - i have some questions still about how the object engine will handle multipart timestamps | 21:26 |
| nadeem | notmyname not yet | 21:26 |
| clayg | acoles: that fucking api :) | 21:26 |
| acoles | clayg: it just got another bug fixed ! :P | 21:26 |
| acoles | clayg: you will learn to love it. you WILL. :) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: in summary: more than a little bit ;-) | 21:26 |
| clayg | hehe - probably | 21:27 |
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| tdasilva | hehe | 21:27 |
| tdasilva | notmyname, clayg thanks | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | anything else to go over on hummingbird this week? | 21:27 |
| clayg | ok so that's the update bit - there a design bit as well - but that's mostly on the etherpad and redbo & dfg will probably tell us what to do if we just let them think about it a few more days | 21:27 |
| torgomatic | for reference, if anyone's got a better thing to do than that MIME garbage, please speak up | 21:27 |
| torgomatic | I'll even help write the code | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: any update on the 'when can we merge' side of things? | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: not yet. some of that depends on the TC election and conversations in barcelona | 21:28 |
| clayg | torgomatic: sorry - i wasn'tr trying to pick on anything :\ | 21:28 |
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| torgomatic | especially if it makes the go object server easier to write | 21:28 |
| torgomatic | clayg: it's deserving of being picked on :) | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | ok, if nothing else, then let's move on | 21:29 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: my sister works on government-funded research, and I used to think it was terrible that there'd be all this uncertainty around where things were going until after Congressional elections | 21:29 |
| torgomatic | ...well, here I am | 21:29 |
| nadeem | :) | 21:30 |
| timburke | torgomatic: there's a reason my wife is looking into industry positions... | 21:30 |
| notmyname | #topic defcore updates | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | the defcore (now "interop") team is updating their definitions of the differnet openstack projects | 21:30 |
| notmyname | as a quick overview, this is something they do a couple times a year | 21:31 |
| notmyname | defcore has 2 things: capabilities (ie user-exposed features, tested via tempest) and code | 21:31 |
| notmyname | so the code part is easy. we point to our repo and say "that" | 21:31 |
| notmyname | but the capabilities is what they're updating now | 21:31 |
| notmyname | so the idea is that anyone running something called "swift" has access to the same features and running the same code from upstream | 21:32 |
| notmyname | really helps build the overall openstack ecosystem | 21:32 |
| notmyname | so, that being said, we have an opportunity to add some capabilities into the definition | 21:32 |
| notmyname | in order to add something, it's gotta have tests in tempest and it has to be something that was in liberty | 21:33 |
| notmyname | the liberty release (or sooner) | 21:33 |
| notmyname | the current swift definition is very sparse | 21:33 |
| notmyname | here's what I proposed adding to the definition (stuff I've seen that has tests in tempest already) | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | bulk support, /info, expiring objects, staticweb, *LOs, conditional requests (if-match) | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | timburke has convinced me we shouldn't add "versioning" at this time | 21:34 |
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| timburke | next year | 21:34 |
| clayg | timburke: sand baggin' | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | but the others are things that have been available for a long time and shoudl reasonably be expected to be in every swift deployment | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: something is not clear, what can be added to the definition, only stuff that is in tempest already, or can we add new tests to tempest now and add that to the defcore definition? | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | oh, if we add stuff now, it goes into "advisory" and then after (I think) 1 year it becomes required | 21:35 |
| clayg | i'm more sure about *LO's, and if-match and expiring objects - than bulk support, and staticweb | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: yes. except we also have to fit into the bi-annual defcore/BoD approval timeframe | 21:36 |
| notmyname | clayg: exactly my thoughts | 21:36 |
| clayg | /info is not so well defined - is it really a "feature" | 21:36 |
| clayg | discoverability is a feature... but we sort have a janky implementation - "here's some json; good luck" | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | there's a tempest test for it. basically that it returns something instead of an error. it doesn't parse the json | 21:37 |
| acoles | notmyname: is it ok to add capabilities that are optional in a deployment, like SLO? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | acoles: well, that's what I was getting aroudn to typign up | 21:37 |
| clayg | acoles: I think adding them to DefCore means everyone everywhere *has* to deploy them? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | there's stuff like SLO bulk and staticweb that are "optional". in that you can remove them from the pipeline | 21:37 |
| clayg | or... "interop" | 21:37 |
| notmyname | clayg: to conform to (tm) yes, that's it | 21:38 |
| notmyname | however, these things are in the recommended pipeline already | 21:38 |
| mugsie_ | If something is in interop , it has to be deployed, yes. | 21:38 |
| acoles | oic | 21:38 |
| timburke | clayg: "here's some json; good luck" -- that sounds like some other entire *services*... | 21:38 |
| notmyname | mugsie_: well, if it wants to conform ;-) | 21:38 |
| clayg | yeah like if you wannt use swift because you're awesome you can put whatever middleware you want in there - you're aweomse - swift is awesome - everyhting is awesome | 21:38 |
| mugsie_ | Well, yeah | 21:38 |
| mugsie_ | :) | 21:38 |
| clayg | you wanna call it openstack to someone branding marketing - whoa... hold the phone - not everyone is awseome where buddy | 21:39 |
| notmyname | clayg: yes, exactly | 21:39 |
| pdardeau | clayg: lol | 21:39 |
| notmyname | and if we add these things, we'll probably want to work on the pipeline (which is a mess anyway IMO) to make sure some of these are there always | 21:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's interesting collateratal damange :\ | 21:40 |
| notmyname | so adding these is ultimately about trademark compliance for things that are allowed to be called "openstack object storage" | 21:40 |
| acoles | notmyname: that was what I was wondering, if we need to auto insert SLO like DLO | 21:40 |
| notmyname | clayg: you say damage, I say "fixing" ;-) | 21:40 |
| clayg | and we all believe that a thing called "openstack object storage" is important to client application developers - and client application developers are important to people using swift - which is tanginially related to my kids super | 21:41 |
| clayg | so... interop is great | 21:41 |
| notmyname | I mean, I think the pipeline mess needs to be fixed anyway, regarless of defcore. it's too long and confusing, even for us | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | yay interop! | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: well I hadn't consider that ti would mean you "can't turn it off" - more like "the path of least resistence is conforming to the interop definition" | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | funny thing is that versioning is auto-inserted already.. | 21:41 |
| clayg | but maybe i misread what you said | 21:41 |
| timburke | tdasilva: but not necessarily enabled | 21:42 |
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| tdasilva | true true, especially for history mode | 21:42 |
| notmyname | clayg: nah, I was saying it's something we could do that's related and (IMO) makes things better. I'm not convinced it would be required b/c of something in defcore/interop | 21:42 |
| clayg | timburke: oh man - i need to add history mode checkbox to the "package-next-swift" story | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok, so here's the question: of the list of stuff I mentioned, anything on the list that should NOT be added into the list? | 21:43 |
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| clayg | notmyname: well what about not adding bulk and staticweb? | 21:43 |
| clayg | notmyname: i'm not sure either of those features really reached critical mass | 21:43 |
| timburke | tdasilva: and history mode is the main reason i feel like that one ought to be revisited later -- no sense confusing people by saying "here's this thing that must be there!" and "but wait, here's this new way of using it that may or may not be available!" at the same time | 21:43 |
| notmyname | also note that I'll be proposing the list of tested capabilities. it's the defcore team that will score them and then chose if they are required or not | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah, what timburke said. that's what convinced me | 21:44 |
| clayg | notmyname: can't we just do *LO, expiring objects and conditional requests for now? | 21:44 |
| timburke | clayg: you get it for free, as long as we explicitly put it in the pipeline! | 21:44 |
| notmyname | clayg: sure. those are very non controversial | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | does *LO also include sloranges? | 21:44 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: it should! | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | cool | 21:45 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: not yet, because of tests in tempest. it depends on what's tested | 21:45 |
| acoles | didn't notmyname say a feature had to have been in liberty? | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | oh right | 21:45 |
| notmyname | but it's easy to add tests to an existing capability | 21:45 |
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| mattoliverau | would server side copy be a thing, now that its a middleware.. or are there no copy tests in tempest | 21:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: like i don't mind having tests for staticweb - i'm just - I think it's a lot like stack versions | 21:46 |
| notmyname | clayg: if you think swift dev progress is slow, it's nothing compared to defcore. right now, this is for stuff that would first be implemented in mid 2017 and then made required in 2018. so that's why I'd push for bulk and staticweb now | 21:46 |
| clayg | idk | 21:46 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: implementation doesn't matter. the capability is tested and already there, IIRC | 21:46 |
| tdasilva | is 'swift policies' a feature? like the fact you can specify a header with a policy??? | 21:47 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah, but not a user-facing one, so won't be in defcore | 21:47 |
| tdasilva | oic | 21:47 |
| notmyname | oh. copy is tested. but not in the standard | 21:48 |
| notmyname | current definition is https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/2016.08.json#L89 | 21:48 |
| clayg | idk, they're in /info and you can create a container with different policies? | 21:48 |
| timburke | i should probably go write some tempest tests for history mode & slorange.... | 21:48 |
| notmyname | bah. object-copy is right there at the top | 21:48 |
| tdasilva | what's that deprecated test? | 21:48 |
| clayg | we got rid of object access!? | 21:48 |
| tdasilva | objectstore-object-access?? | 21:49 |
| notmyname | can't do that any more ;-) | 21:49 |
| notmyname | write-only | 21:49 |
| clayg | notmyname: nice | 21:49 |
| clayg | that will simplify a few things | 21:49 |
| notmyname | no, it was something that was related to AUTH IIRC | 21:49 |
| acoles | post is not there | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | that's torgomatic's s4 right? | 21:49 |
| clayg | notmyname: i ... do not have a good feeling for what we're talking about anymore | 21:49 |
| notmyname | I can check | 21:49 |
| clayg | you said you're going to add some stuff to this thing I know nothing about | 21:49 |
| clayg | i feel like - i should probably know more about it | 21:50 |
| clayg | ... but even *not* knowing anything about it - i feel like I have opinions about how it should work anyway!!! | 21:50 |
| clayg | ... so - i'm not helping | 21:50 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | should expiration be there? | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | it's user facing, in a way... | 21:50 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah, it's one I want to propose | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | ok, sorry | 21:50 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: there's tempest tests for it, but I haven't looked at the test implementation | 21:51 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i was just looking at that today | 21:51 |
| tdasilva | it's fine | 21:51 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:51 |
| notmyname | so clayg doesn't like making bulk and staticweb required. any other comments on that? | 21:51 |
| clayg | notmyname: and now you've got timburke running off to write tempest tests :'( | 21:52 |
| timburke | i wonder what the difference is between objectstore-object-put and objectstore-object-upload... | 21:52 |
| tdasilva | tempurl? | 21:52 |
| clayg | and we don't even know what's covered currently :'( | 21:52 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: there already | 21:52 |
| timburke | clayg: idk about "running"... | 21:52 |
| notmyname | well, assuming the names of the capabilities are close to accurate, objectstore-temp-url-get seems to cover that | 21:53 |
| clayg | this is notmyname https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/10/1b/21/101b2173a16abc64aa3dd08b52ea55aa.jpg | 21:53 |
| timburke | i *still* haven't done much about adding Session support to swiftclient, so... | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | LOL | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | and now did client sessions support come from?! get back intot he corral. we're going *that* way /me points | 21:54 |
| acoles | notmyname: object POST has tempest tests but is not in the defcore json thing AFAICT | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | acoles: ack. would be a good thing to cover too | 21:55 |
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| clayg | acoles: is there a minimum request time requirement on POST to a 2GB object? | 21:55 |
| notmyname | earlier today I told torgomatic "there's this thing I want to bring up in the meeting. I think it's probably a minor point, but I fear it might turn into this Big Thing" | 21:55 |
| notmyname | guess what? turned into the Big Thing ;-) | 21:55 |
| torgomatic | bikesheds expand to fill the space available ;) | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's wrap up this topic: I'll write up something about the defcore stuff and ping people in the -swift channel | 21:56 |
| notmyname | moving on | 21:56 |
| timburke | torgomatic: but the internal space remains constant -- it's just all of the layers of paint ;-) | 21:56 |
| acoles | clayg: idk | 21:57 |
| notmyname | #topic stuff I wanted to spend time on but we're out of time for today | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | ok, I had an idea of something to do in this meeting, based on some conversations with some of you | 21:57 |
| notmyname | I wanted to highlight 2 patches and 2 bugs to look at for this week | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | not to the exclusion of other stuff, but to shine a light on the top of the top priorities | 21:58 |
| notmyname | for this week, i chose https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1328735 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1624088 | 21:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1328735 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Object-updater gives up updating container with no success if all containers are placed at handoff" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Takashi Kajinami (kajinamit) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1624088 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC missing durable can prevent reconstruction" [High,Confirmed] | 21:58 |
| notmyname | both really need to be fixed ASAP | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | for (non bugfix-related) patches, I chose | 21:59 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210099/ -- process level concurrency for container sync | 21:59 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219165/ -- global EC work | 21:59 |
| notmyname | so I want to be better about this meeting topic next week | 21:59 |
| notmyname | and work with everyone on chosing the bugs and patches to highlight | 21:59 |
| notmyname | but this week, take a look at these | 22:00 |
| notmyname | ...and we're at time | 22:00 |
| mattoliverau | I stated looking at patch 210099 last week, so I might continue looking and playing with it this week | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you all for coming. thanks for working on swift! | 22:00 |
| mattoliverau | when I have some free cycles | 22:00 |
| acoles | I put up a fix for bug 1624088 but its not showing on launchpad, https://review.openstack.org/376630 | 22:00 |
| openstack | bug 1624088 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC missing durable can prevent reconstruction" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624088 | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 22:00:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-09-28-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-09-28-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-09-28-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah! good! | 22:00 |
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