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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 03:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-09-27_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
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| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
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| shubhams_ | shubham j | 03:00 |
| Wenzhi | Wenzhi | 03:00 |
| adisky | Aditi | 03:00 |
| yanyanhu | hi, yanyan is here | 03:00 |
| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting mkrai Namrata shubhams_ Wenzhi adisky yanyanhu | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | 1. I was told that Zun team could have 2 workroom session at Friday 9:00 - 10:30. Need to confirm if we need it. | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | Unfortuntely the time is conflicts with Senlin and Magnum | 03:01 |
| hongbin | I am not sure if we can take the offer | 03:02 |
| mkrai | Depends on if other developers are making it to summit | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | A question for you guys. How many of you will travel to Barcelona? | 03:02 |
| mkrai | I am not coming | 03:02 |
| yanyanhu | still not sure about it | 03:02 |
| Namrata | I am coming | 03:02 |
| adisky | i also | 03:02 |
| Wenzhi | i am not coming | 03:02 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:03 |
| hongbin | take it? return it? | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: hey | 03:03 |
| mkrai | hongbin: You will not be available for this? | 03:03 |
| sudipto | hongbin, hello | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: I might | 03:04 |
| sudipto | sorry a bit late. | 03:04 |
| hongbin | sudipto: np | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: we are discussing the Zun team could have session in design summit | 03:04 |
| flwang1 | session? | 03:04 |
| sudipto | hongbin, sigh! I am not gonna be able to make it :( | 03:04 |
| hongbin | the time is 9:00 - 10:30 friday | 03:05 |
| flwang1 | or a team lunch? :D | 03:05 |
| hongbin | flwang1: workroom session | 03:05 |
| flwang1 | hongbin: cool | 03:05 |
| hongbin | sudipto: bummper | 03:05 |
| flwang1 | sudipto: oh no | 03:05 |
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| hongbin | flwang1: it looks most of us are not able to join (the time is conflicts with other sessions) | 03:06 |
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| flwang1 | hongbin: then how about at least a team lunch? | 03:06 |
| sudipto | :( | 03:06 |
| hongbin | flwang1: sure :) | 03:06 |
| yanyanhu | flwang1, +1 :) | 03:06 |
| sudipto | with the hope, that i will make it on the next one. | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | ok, will think about the design summit session | 03:07 |
| hongbin | move to the next topic | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:07 | |
| hongbin | 1. adisky investigate how to support interactive mode to enter container | 03:07 |
| hongbin | adisky: ^^ | 03:07 |
| adisky | yes, i have investigated... | 03:08 |
| hongbin | adisky: any finding? | 03:08 |
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| adisky | there is no option for stdin available on docker python API | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | i see | 03:09 |
| hongbin | adisky: do they willing to add support for it? | 03:09 |
| adisky | however it is possible if we directly make request via docker REST API | 03:10 |
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| hongbin | i see | 03:10 |
| adisky | for python support, i need to ask.. | 03:10 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:10 |
| hongbin | thanks adisky | 03:10 |
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| shubhams_ | I am wondering if docker-py has that ( we are using it in docker driver as well) | 03:11 |
| hongbin | shubhams_: the python API adisky mentioned is docker-py (i think) | 03:11 |
| sudipto | i do something, though need to find out more: https://github.com/docker/docker-py/blob/e15ba7400a457ea7b605d08131eb0148c3f7528f/docker/api/exec_api.py#L28 | 03:11 |
| adisky | shubhams_ if you have any idea on that...then we can together implement the blueprint | 03:12 |
| sudipto | *see | 03:12 |
| shubhams_ | hongbin , adisky : ok | 03:12 |
| shubhams_ | suipto: yea I was talking on the same | 03:12 |
| hongbin | then, it looks it is possible | 03:13 |
| adisky | thnx sudipto...may be they have not added into the document, or i may be looking to an older version.. | 03:13 |
| sudipto | let's assume this works, would you then recommend using VNC or something to show it remotely? | 03:14 |
| adisky | if it is there it seems possible, i will do further investigation this week also.. | 03:14 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: the VNC needs to be implemented in zun-ui | 03:15 |
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| adisky | ya, we also need to figure out how to catch the stream returned by docker... | 03:15 |
| hongbin | (if we decided to do this) | 03:15 |
| sudipto | yeah - i mean, is it something like VNC that we want to use? | 03:15 |
| kevinz | o/ | 03:15 |
| hongbin | sudipto: i think it is a good idea | 03:15 |
| kevinz | sorry for joining late :D | 03:15 |
| hongbin | kevinz: welcome | 03:15 |
| hongbin | kevinz: np | 03:16 |
| sudipto | Albite, i think it would be possible then.. | 03:16 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Thanks | 03:16 |
| hongbin | ok, let's advance topic | 03:16 |
| sudipto | adisky, do follow a project called kinematic - you aren't already aware... | 03:16 |
| sudipto | *kitematic | 03:16 |
| adisky | ok sudipto, thnx | 03:16 |
| hongbin | #link https://kitematic.com/ | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | #topic Nova integration (Namrata) | 03:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova integration (Namrata) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:17 | |
| hongbin | Namrata: ^^ | 03:17 |
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| Namrata | as earlier discussed i want to discuss the sudipto's comments | 03:18 |
| Namrata | According to sudipto comment, there were 2 points that needs to be addressed. | 03:18 |
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| Namrata | 1. We should keep minimal workflow impact | 03:19 |
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| Namrata | 2. need a good solid argument over how the nova lifecycle will map against the container lifecycle as a part of this spec | 03:19 |
| Namrata | To answer point one, I feel there is nothing we can do with nova worflow but of course we can try to remove atleast one flow in zun | 03:19 |
| Namrata | that is if the req is from nova directly send it to zun-compute rather than sending to zun-scheduler as we will already have host info recieved from nova | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: i think sudipto 's point is that nova-docker already provides functionality to drive docker containers via nova api | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: the question is if Zun should do something that is duplicated with nova-docker. | 03:23 |
| hongbin | sudipto: is that your concern? | 03:23 |
| sudipto | hongbin, yeah that's one of them. | 03:24 |
| sudipto | but honestly, i don't want to be a blocker for this spec. | 03:24 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:24 |
| mkrai | We have had discussion on this that we want this bp | 03:24 |
| sudipto | If you feel it's necessary to do - and deal with the consequences later, then so be it :) | 03:24 |
| hongbin | Namrata: it looks everything is clear now. you are ready to go | 03:25 |
| Namrata | okay thanks | 03:26 |
| hongbin | ok, i will review the spec again, if no problem, will approve it | 03:26 |
| hongbin | Namrata: thanks for working on the specs | 03:26 |
| Namrata | I have updated the specs | 03:26 |
| hongbin | #topic Container image store (mkrai) | 03:26 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/glance-integration | 03:27 |
| Namrata | hongbin thanks | 03:27 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-image | 03:27 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ^^ | 03:27 |
| mkrai | Last week I submitted a patch to support glance in zun | 03:27 |
| mkrai | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374668/ | 03:27 |
| mkrai | This week I will implement the support to use glance as image repo in zun | 03:28 |
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| hongbin | cool | 03:28 |
| mkrai | shubhams_ is working on the image resource | 03:28 |
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| mkrai | shubhams_ would you like to update on your work? | 03:28 |
| shubhams_ | yeah, I am using docker-py's native api for this. I hope thats ok to use | 03:29 |
| mkrai | This mean we are going to add new resource in zun /v1/images | 03:30 |
| shubhams_ | mkrai: yes | 03:30 |
| hongbin | sound good | 03:30 |
| mkrai | Perform various action on images that we are using | 03:30 |
| sudipto | mkrai, i would like to review this one for sure | 03:30 |
| mkrai | Thanks sudipto | 03:30 |
| shubhams_ | sudipto: thanks | 03:31 |
| mkrai | That's all I guess from us :) | 03:31 |
| hongbin | thanks mkrai shubhams_ | 03:31 |
| hongbin | next one | 03:31 |
| hongbin | #topic Container network (hongbin) | 03:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container network (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:31 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/neutron-integration The BP | 03:31 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365754/ The proposed spec | 03:32 |
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| hongbin | i have update the spec to address comments | 03:32 |
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| sudipto | hongbin, i had a chat with mkrai on this yesterday - i wanted to understand a few things... | 03:32 |
| hongbin | now, it has 2 +2, the feedback looks positive so far | 03:32 |
| hongbin | sudipto: sure | 03:32 |
| sudipto | basically, when we are saying networking to the containers - docker-py would natively provide the NAT interface inside the containers for them to uplink right? | 03:33 |
| sudipto | (I couldn't exec into any of the zun containers, hence asking) | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: i am thinking it is the nova-docker solution | 03:34 |
| sudipto | the nova-docker solution is the one I am talking about you mean? | 03:34 |
| hongbin | sudipto: i am not sure the one you are talking about :) | 03:35 |
| sudipto | well so when you provision a container using docker, by default they are created on docker0 | 03:35 |
| sudipto | and it has a NAT interface inside the container. | 03:35 |
| sudipto | I am talking about that. | 03:35 |
| sudipto | The 3 types of networking that docker already provides us. | 03:35 |
| sudipto | #link: https://docs.docker.com/engine/userguide/networking/ | 03:36 |
| Wenzhi | sudipto: right | 03:36 |
| hongbin | i think nova-docker is working on a different way (although i am not sure) | 03:36 |
| sudipto | I am not thinking of nova-docker at all :-) | 03:36 |
| sudipto | I am just wondering - if we are not doing container orchestration in our first pass - why are we not thinking about exposing the containers just by port numbers on the host? | 03:37 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: i think this is good for container-in-vm use cases | 03:37 |
| hongbin | sudipto: for compute host, i am not sure if it is a good idea | 03:38 |
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| sudipto | hongbin, ok - this goes back to the container console discussion we just had a while back - the logs would be exposed via a compute host port right? | 03:38 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: i guess yes | 03:39 |
| hongbin | sudipto: however, that is under management network | 03:39 |
| sudipto | since necessarily you would never want to 'login' to a container - most likely - you would expose a 'service' - and the 'service' should have the sandbox networking i suppose? | 03:40 |
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| sudipto | but that created a conflict in my thoughts, when i realised that we aren't speaking of services as yet? Maybe i am wrong... :) | 03:40 |
| hongbin | container as a service , it is right | 03:41 |
| sudipto | Ok I know - when we do the orchestration bit, we will have to do something like this. I just didn't know the time is now :) | 03:41 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: i tried to understand your concern, but it seems i didnt' :) | 03:43 |
| sudipto | leave it :) i will put my thoughts on the spec :) | 03:43 |
| hongbin | sudipto: ok | 03:43 |
| shubhams_ | hongbin: can you explain " container-in-vm use cases" ? is it like havin zun containers in a nova provisoned vm ? | 03:43 |
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| hongbin | shubhams_: container-in-vm use case is running containers on Nova instances | 03:44 |
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| hongbin | shubhams_: another use case is container-in-compute-host | 03:44 |
| shubhams_ | Why do you think that docker network drivers can't support it or how having sanbox will be an advantage over it? | 03:44 |
| shubhams_ | I am trying to understand your view point .. so my questions | 03:45 |
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| hongbin | a sandbox is an abstraction | 03:45 |
| hongbin | how to implement it depends on the driver | 03:45 |
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| hongbin | for docker network drivers, i am not sure | 03:46 |
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| shubhams_ | FYI : I am sure that docker network driver works well inside vm as well | 03:47 |
| hongbin | shubhams_: i think the point is to connect containers to neutron, which is the feature provided by zun | 03:47 |
| hongbin | shubhams_: then, neutron integration is the problem | 03:47 |
| sudipto | connect containers to neutron for? | 03:47 |
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| * sudipto asks a silly question, he knows | 03:48 | |
| hongbin | sudipto: for eliminating overlay, use security group | 03:48 |
| hongbin | etc. | 03:48 |
| sudipto | is there really a need for security groups for containers? | 03:48 |
| * sudipto also worries that hongbin will get furious at him now - because it's super late for him. | 03:48 | |
| hongbin | i am not sure | 03:49 |
| sudipto | containers would expose ports that it wants | 03:49 |
| hongbin | but if it is not neutron, i couldn't think of anything else | 03:49 |
| sudipto | it wouldn't expose all the ports - like VMs - that you need a security group for. | 03:49 |
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| sudipto | unless i am short sighted. | 03:50 |
| hongbin | sudipto: ok, get your point | 03:50 |
| sudipto | let's talk more on the spec ... | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: ok :) | 03:51 |
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| hongbin | any other comment? | 03:51 |
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| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | 1. Zun team meetup at Barcelona | 03:52 |
| sudipto | Send me a selfie or something :) | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | :) | 03:52 |
| hongbin | flwang1 proposed to have a team lunch/dinner at a time | 03:53 |
| hongbin | want to have a team lunch ? | 03:53 |
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| hongbin | this question is for people who will be at the summit | 03:53 |
| hongbin | silent ... | 03:54 |
| mkrai | adisky: Namrata are you guys interested | 03:54 |
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| Namrata | yes i am | 03:54 |
| flwang1 | i will be there | 03:54 |
| adisky | i wont be at submit | 03:54 |
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| hongbin | it looks flwang1 and Namrata and me: three people | 03:55 |
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| hongbin | i know Qiming will be there as wel | 03:55 |
| hongbin | four people | 03:55 |
| hongbin | want to pick a date? | 03:55 |
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| hongbin | ok, let's discuss it offline | 03:56 |
| Namrata | okay | 03:56 |
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| hongbin | any other question? | 03:56 |
| hongbin | sorry, any other topic to discuss? | 03:56 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting | 03:57 |
| hongbin | see you next time | 03:57 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 03:57:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-09-27-03.00.html | 03:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-09-27-03.00.txt | 03:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-09-27-03.00.log.html | 03:57 |
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| eranrom | #startmeeting storlets | 07:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 07:59:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eranrom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 07:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storlets' | 07:59 |
| eranrom | Hi | 07:59 |
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| takashi | eranrom: Hi | 08:00 |
| eranrom | takashi: Hi, do you know if we should wait for Kota? | 08:00 |
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| takashi | eranrom: I didn't hear his plan. | 08:01 |
| eranrom | takashi: ok, so lets start | 08:02 |
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| eranrom | #topic Design Summit planning | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design Summit planning (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:02 | |
| eranrom | I have started to populate the ehterpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storlets-otaca-design-summit | 08:02 |
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| eranrom | Other then adding topics, we should probably decide on the best usage of the fb session we seem to be given. | 08:03 |
| eranrom | or might be given... | 08:03 |
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| takashi | eranrom: ok | 08:04 |
| takashi | eranrom: Can I ask the suggeed time frame for Thursday? | 08:05 |
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| eranrom | takashi: All I know is that its in the morning and conflicting with Swift. | 08:05 |
| eranrom | We could try and see the exact time where Swift has a fb session in the morning. | 08:06 |
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| takashi | eranrom: ok. will check that. | 08:06 |
| eranrom | takashi: Thanks! | 08:06 |
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| eranrom | Regarding the topic, I wanted to cover spark-storlets and you had an idea to get deeper into storlets | 08:07 |
| takashi | I'll add some topic to the etherpad. sorry to be late for that. | 08:07 |
| eranrom | takashi: sure, no problem at all! We can continue from there, keeping in mind that we may want to split the session between subjects... | 08:08 |
| eranrom | that is for the fb session | 08:09 |
| takashi | eranrom: makes sense | 08:09 |
| eranrom | takashi: ok. AFAIK, Kota will not be on Fri right? | 08:09 |
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| takashi | I think we need to ask to kota_ and Doron (and others?) to decide when we have the design summit session, | 08:09 |
| takashi | eranrom: yes, AFAIK, too | 08:10 |
| eranrom | takashi: yep, I guess that for the working sessions we should not have a space problem :-) | 08:10 |
| eranrom | BTW Doron will not attend thesummit | 08:10 |
| takashi | eranrom: ok | 08:10 |
| eranrom | anything else on this? | 08:10 |
| takashi | eranrom: I'm currently checking my schedule because there are some other sessions I need to attend | 08:11 |
| eranrom | takashi: sure. | 08:11 |
| takashi | I'll let you know if I get any updates about that | 08:11 |
| eranrom | Thanks\ | 08:11 |
| eranrom | #topic Big tent updates | 08:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Big tent updates (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:11 | |
| takashi | I'd like to let you know the latest status about package work about python storlet work. | 08:13 |
| * eranrom is all ears | 08:13 | |
| takashi | :-) | 08:13 |
| takashi | so first, about package work | 08:13 |
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| takashi | Last week I finally I passed gate functional test about my patch 370332 | 08:14 |
| eranrom | takashi: Kudos! | 08:14 |
| takashi | (Currently I got V-1, but I'd like to describe the reanson for that later | 08:14 |
| takashi | I tested in my all in one vm, and confirmed it works | 08:15 |
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| takashi | I need to test again because I rebased the patch sometime after that testing, but I think I already finished about the essential changes. | 08:16 |
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| takashi | I still have some remaining items, which is described in my comment partially | 08:16 |
| takashi | 1. Update docs: We have manuall installation doc, and I need to update it | 08:16 |
| takashi | 2. Fix ansible playbooks which is run in 'ant deploy' | 08:17 |
| takashi | 3. Fix ansible playbooks for uninstalling | 08:17 |
| takashi | 4. Test in-docker installation | 08:17 |
| takashi | 5. Fix gate job timeout caused by slow copy of the directory | 08:18 |
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| takashi | eranrom: do the above items make sense to you? | 08:18 |
| eranrom | takashi: absolutely. few comments: | 08:19 |
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| eranrom | 1. This is probably the largest "big tent" task that you have taken upon yourself to thank you very much! | 08:19 |
| eranrom | 2. I will be happy to do the doc update after an "initial landing" | 08:20 |
| eranrom | 3. If you are not using the "ant deploy" on an everyday basis (I do) I will be happy to do #2 above as well. | 08:20 |
| eranrom | 4. end of comments | 08:20 |
| takashi | eranrom: Do you think we had better keep ansible playbooks for 'ant deploy' and uninstalling? | 08:21 |
| takashi | currently it is not used at least for our development/testing | 08:21 |
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| eranrom | uninstalling is definately not used and probably outdated, so we better off just get rid of them | 08:22 |
| takashi | eranrom: +1 | 08:22 |
| eranrom | I use ant deploy. | 08:22 |
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| takashi | eranrom: ok | 08:23 |
| eranrom | I find it convenient to deploy changes during dev. I am curious to know how you are working. Say you change Sbus stuff that needs to go into the container | 08:23 |
| eranrom | what do you do? | 08:24 |
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| eranrom | Hi Kota | 08:24 |
| kota_ | hello | 08:24 |
| takashi | kota_: hi | 08:24 |
| kota_ | sorry for late | 08:24 |
| eranrom | kota_: np good to have you | 08:24 |
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| kota_ | :-) | 08:25 |
| takashi | Is it better to back to design summit topic? | 08:25 |
| kota_ | let me check current meeting status | 08:25 |
| takashi | kota_: we finished design summit topic, and talking about big tent updates | 08:25 |
| kota_ | k | 08:26 |
| takashi | kota_: about updates about package work | 08:26 |
| kota_ | nice | 08:26 |
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| eranrom | takashi: sure, lets just finish this one. so, if you are not using the deploy, I can also update them. We can discuss alternatives offline | 08:26 |
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| takashi | eranrom: When I test functional environment, I set up the whole environment using ansible | 08:27 |
| eranrom | I see, so most work is done using unittests? | 08:27 |
| takashi | I'll have a look about the playbook used in ant deploy later. | 08:27 |
| takashi | eranrom: yes | 08:27 |
| eranrom | takashi: ok gotcha. | 08:27 |
| eranrom | Should be get back to design summit? | 08:27 |
| takashi | My concern is that we currently have independent ansible playbooks | 08:28 |
| takashi | for installing whole environemnt and for installing dev env | 08:28 |
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| takashi | I'll check if I can merge them | 08:28 |
| takashi | to let us maintain them easily | 08:28 |
| eranrom | takashi: ok, as far as I recall, they do share some roles, but perhaps it can be improved. | 08:28 |
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| takashi | eranrom: Let's go back to duscussion about Design summit. It's better to decide the schedule | 08:29 |
| eranrom | takashi: agree. | 08:29 |
| takashi | as early as possible | 08:29 |
| kota_ | ok | 08:29 |
| kota_ | wow, is it possible? | 08:29 |
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| eranrom | kota_: well, we are a small team, and even if we are not allocated rooms we can find some spot to talk. | 08:30 |
| eranrom | We may get something on Fri, but then it should be for subjects where Kota can be absent | 08:31 |
| kota_ | exactly | 08:31 |
| eranrom | So I guess the main question is, when do we want to meet during the week. | 08:31 |
| eranrom | For me, I have a talk on Thu. noon (~13:00), and we may have a fishbowl in the morning. Otherwise, I plan to spend most of the time in Swift's design sessions. | 08:32 |
| takashi | kota_: FYI, currently we can have a room for fb session in Thurs. morning, and working room on Fri. | 08:32 |
| takashi | as described in the meeting agenda | 08:33 |
| kota_ | k, sounds like, we can manage a mini meeting in Tue or Wed? | 08:34 |
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| eranrom | How about adding to the Etherpad the available times each one has? | 08:34 |
| kota_ | eranrom: good thought | 08:34 |
| takashi | eranrom: +1 | 08:34 |
| kota_ | eranrom: right now i don't check summit schdule in detail except Swift desgin sessions. | 08:35 |
| kota_ | didn't | 08:35 |
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| kota_ | I think I can manage the time except Swift's slots. | 08:35 |
| eranrom | Ok, so I will also put on the etherpad the Swift design summit slots | 08:36 |
| eranrom | So here is what I suggest: | 08:36 |
| eranrom | 1. We place Swift design summit slots on the etherpad | 08:37 |
| kota_ | eranrom: ok, will confirm other schedule in this week. | 08:37 |
| eranrom | 2. Add personal conttaints to the etherpad | 08:37 |
| eranrom | 3. populate etherpad with working session subjects | 08:37 |
| eranrom | 4. next IRC meeting we can decide which topic to discuss when | 08:38 |
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| eranrom | end of suggestion :-) | 08:38 |
| kota_ | :-) | 08:38 |
| takashi | eranrom: makes sense | 08:38 |
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| eranrom | ok, so next topic? | 08:38 |
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| eranrom | #topic Release planning | 08:39 |
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| takashi | The reason why I added this one is I'm currently wondering if it is better to have 'Newton' release | 08:40 |
| takashi | while we are currently working to join to OpenStack official projects | 08:41 |
| eranrom | takashi: you mean and skip "otaca"? | 08:41 |
| eranrom | takashi: Sorry, confused the order. | 08:41 |
| takashi | eranrom: no. AFAIK the other openstack projects has Newton release in the next week (right?). | 08:42 |
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| takashi | s/in/until/ | 08:42 |
| takashi | (maybe swift has more early release | 08:42 |
| kota_ | by | 08:42 |
| eranrom | takashi: generally, I think we should, but then I ask myself, what is it that we are releasing. | 08:44 |
| eranrom | takashi: Is it a stable branch? if so should we make sure to take specific Swift version on it? | 08:44 |
| eranrom | takashi: and specific Keystone version.. | 08:45 |
| takashi | generally, when we tests master, it is tested against master version of the other project | 08:46 |
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| eranrom | takashi: right. | 08:47 |
| takashi | and when we tests one release, it makes sense to me to test it on the same release of the other project | 08:47 |
| eranrom | agree. | 08:47 |
| takashi | I'll check gate job for stable release. I think I can find some information about that. | 08:47 |
| eranrom | takashi: so you suggest that the release will be a stable branch where we fix the dependency versions? | 08:48 |
| takashi | eranrom: ideally | 08:48 |
| eranrom | takashi: sounds good to me. | 08:48 |
| eranrom | takashi: so I guess the next question is what do we want to land before that. Any thoughts? | 08:49 |
| takashi | I'm currently thinking about python storlet work, especially about the remaining documentatnion | 08:50 |
| kota_ | cool | 08:51 |
| eranrom | +1 | 08:51 |
| eranrom | I now realize that I have skipped "Remaining docs for python storlets [takashi]". Sorry! | 08:52 |
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| takashi | eranrom: np. I thought we can discuss about that in this topic, so just skipped | 08:52 |
| takashi | We need to add some more tests about that, but I think we can release it at least as beta state, if we can add that doc | 08:52 |
| eranrom | ok, so please go ahead | 08:52 |
| eranrom | takashi: sounds good to me! | 08:53 |
| takashi | the only one remaining item about doc part is the guide for developing storlet applications | 08:53 |
| eranrom | takashi: Can I help with that? | 08:54 |
| takashi | eranrom: That's the thing I would like to bring here | 08:54 |
| eranrom | takashi: I will be happy to do that. | 08:55 |
| eranrom | it will also help me get a better grip on python storlets. | 08:55 |
| takashi | eranrom: Can I ask your help about that? At least, I need a base to split doc for java and doc for python | 08:55 |
| eranrom | I can upload an initial patch by the end of the week | 08:55 |
| eranrom | takashi: sure! | 08:55 |
| takashi | eranrom: thanks for your help. If you have anything you need to confirm about python storlet, let me know | 08:56 |
| eranrom | takashi: sure! | 08:56 |
| takashi | eranrom: Or I can follow-up TODOs | 08:56 |
| eranrom | np. We are running out of time and there was a small thing I wanted to bring up - is it ok? | 08:57 |
| takashi | eranrom: ok | 08:57 |
| kota_ | sure | 08:57 |
| eranrom | #topic: Review our review process - should we change anything at this point? | 08:57 |
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| eranrom | There have been several cases where I was too eager to merge stuff that you were still reviewing | 08:57 |
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| eranrom | So the question is, until I improve/align my review skills, should we change the process? | 08:58 |
| eranrom | e.g. +1 only after 2X +2? | 08:58 |
| eranrom | or something else? | 08:58 |
| kota_ | sorry, i didn't get the suggestion | 08:58 |
| eranrom | should we merge something only after we have two reviewers giving +2? | 08:59 |
| kota_ | ah, that's the openstack style. | 08:59 |
| takashi | eranrom: I think that should be a basic rule. | 08:59 |
| eranrom | ok, Lets switch to #openstack-storlets. need to end now | 08:59 |
| eranrom | #endmeeting | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 09:00:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-09-27-07.59.html | 09:00 |
| kota_ | ok, thanks eranrom | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-09-27-07.59.txt | 09:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-09-27-07.59.log.html | 09:00 |
| takashi | eranrom: thanks | 09:00 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 13:01:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | evening | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | o/ | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | I think ethan is in vacation travel | 13:02 |
| Qiming | yes, he mentioned that | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | let's see if anyone else is joining | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | I see xinhui in senlin channel | 13:02 |
| lixinhui_ | hi | 13:03 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, xinhui :) | 13:03 |
| lixinhui_ | congratulations, Yanyan | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:03 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:03 |
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| lixinhui_ | and happy for Qiming | 13:04 |
| Qiming | for what? | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | just try to take over some work of Qiming :) | 13:04 |
| lixinhui_ | to find good successor | 13:04 |
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| lixinhui_ | and release more time for baby | 13:04 |
| Qiming | everyone deserves an opportunity to learn, to practice | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | release more time for more important work, haha | 13:04 |
| lixinhui_ | yes, haha | 13:05 |
| Qiming | let's get started? | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | or more chance | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | lets start | 13:05 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:05 |
| Qiming | could be a short one | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:05 |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems | 13:05 |
| Qiming | newton work items | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | no progress in performance test I think | 13:05 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | I feel further work on rally test could be started in next cycle | 13:06 |
| Qiming | no update on health management either | 13:06 |
| lixinhui_ | no, sorry | 13:06 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, that is fine | 13:06 |
| Qiming | ruijie started a poc of batching policy, you may want to review it | 13:07 |
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| yanyanhu | sure, will check the patch | 13:07 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376363/ | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | I think ruijie did some excellent work :) | 13:07 |
| Qiming | it looks not bad | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | he got familiar with senlin very fast | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | agreed | 13:08 |
| Qiming | documentation side | 13:08 |
| Qiming | I will check the 'cloud_backend' thing | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, that is an important item | 13:08 |
| Qiming | as for wiki page, I'll add some pointers to our developer/user documentation | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:09 |
| Qiming | we don't need to copy/paste all the docs everywhere | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:09 |
| Qiming | and there have been some disputes about whether wiki should be avoided | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | the main reason is that it is difficult to shield it from spams | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | that's true... | 13:10 |
| Qiming | keeping it up to date is also a burden | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | so ... I'd prefer leave some links there | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | but I feel wiki is still the first place that most people get information about a project | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | why we always spend time on document | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | is not good if users find IRC to ask questions | 13:11 |
| lixinhui_ | instead of read wiki or document | 13:11 |
| Qiming | for most users, docs are the starting point | 13:11 |
| lixinhui_ | we believe so | 13:11 |
| lixinhui_ | but seems most content already there | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | especially for the other semisphere, most of the developers are offline when they are trying to ask questions | 13:12 |
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| yanyanhu | agree. At least for myself, I will be very happy if there is a document has step-by-step guide when I learn something new | 13:12 |
| Qiming | yes, so ... just some pointers would suffice, I won't copy/paste things that may get outdated | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | cool, where you learned this word semisphere... | 13:12 |
| Qiming | bible | 13:13 |
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| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:13 |
| Qiming | next, container profile | 13:13 |
| Qiming | there is a patch dealing with dependencies | 13:13 |
| Qiming | after some rethinking on this, I have left some comments there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368539/ | 13:14 |
| Qiming | the dependency between one cluster/node and another cluster/node is not that straightforward | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | so it's about the handling for dependency between container cluster and VM node? | 13:15 |
| Qiming | and the current practice is to record the actual dependency | 13:15 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:15 |
| Qiming | that dependency is getting updated each time a dependent cluster/node is created/deleted | 13:16 |
| Qiming | I was trying to revisit the issue from a different angle | 13:16 |
| Qiming | even if a container cluster has 0 nodes, and it has specified host_cluster to be another VM cluster | 13:17 |
| Qiming | the VM cluster cannot be removed | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, since the container cluster could be scaled out again later | 13:17 |
| Qiming | because when you are adding nodes to the container cluster, you will find no hosting cluster/node for it | 13:18 |
| Qiming | exactly | 13:18 |
| Qiming | hope that comment can help haiwei to handle that dependency thing | 13:18 |
| Qiming | Receiver | 13:19 |
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| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373004/ | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | this patch is for notification handling | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | which closes the loop | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | the basic workflow now works as expected | 13:19 |
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| yanyanhu | also have started to work on the doc: https://review.openstack.org/377330 | 13:20 |
| Qiming | okay, will jump onto that tomorrow | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, great, looking forward to your comment | 13:20 |
| Qiming | great, definitely I'll need a doc to test it | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | really hope can finish it before final release of newton cycle | 13:21 |
| Qiming | TBH, I never got zaqar up and running | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | then we have a workable(althoug basic) message type of receiver | 13:21 |
| Qiming | okay, remind me if I forget it tomorrow | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, I will work with you together to test it tomorrow :) | 13:21 |
| Qiming | great | 13:22 |
| Qiming | event/notification | 13:22 |
| Qiming | obviously some work items for Ocata | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:22 |
| Qiming | but I have already started playing with versioned requests | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | cool | 13:23 |
| Qiming | I hope I can get one workflow landed as a show case | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | ok. | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | it will be above wraping api request params into a versioned object | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | then our engine interface will be stabilized for quite a long time, while our api interface can evolve in a controlled manner | 13:24 |
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| yanyanhu | great | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | that is part of 'versioning everything' :) | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | next time when you are adding/removing a paramter for a cluster_create call, for example, you don't have to change the rpc client | 13:25 |
| lixinhui_ | cool | 13:25 |
| Qiming | yes, versioned notification is another one | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | the json schema conversion from a versioned object is easy | 13:26 |
| Qiming | and the converted json schema can be used to validate api parameters | 13:26 |
| Qiming | e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377266/1/senlin/objects/fields.py | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | I see | 13:27 |
| Qiming | this one is about the 'name' field used in many requests | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | by referencing this field, we can check the length and contents of the name value | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | it can be treated as a smarter data type | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | so the ad-hoc param validation at api layer can be completely dropped | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | hope that work can be done in next cycle | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | yes, some basics can be started today, because we are not changing any workflow yet | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | after newton is released, we can start massging workflow | 13:31 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | the finally release is oct. 9 | 13:31 |
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| yanyanhu | and 29 this month for last rc? | 13:31 |
| Qiming | #topic high priority bug fixes for last rc | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | this is our rc2 week | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | open reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/senlin+status:open | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | I think there is no critical ones left? | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | this one? https://review.openstack.org/371922 | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | ah, yes, that one is important | 13:34 |
| Qiming | and this one is okay, imo, https://review.openstack.org/372061 | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | other than those ones, I don't think we have high priority patches to merge | 13:35 |
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| yanyanhu | will check 372061 soon | 13:36 |
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| yanyanhu | it's interesting | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | the logic is simple | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:37 |
| Qiming | the project_safe should be checked even if the requesting user is admin | 13:37 |
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| yanyanhu | the checking logic of is_admin and project_safe are different and should be done in different layers | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:38 |
| Qiming | in other words, an admin user may want to check things from a single project as well | 13:38 |
| Qiming | right | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | just checked bug list, not critical bugs either | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | it's a historical issue I think | 13:39 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:39 |
| Qiming | #topic summit prep | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | yes, didn't see critical bug left | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | already talked to eldon? | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | just started an etherpad to collect the basic idea | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona-summit-senlin-topic-cluster-1000-vms | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | yes, have told him | 13:39 |
| Qiming | the outline looks good to me | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | he hasn't got time to see it I think | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | need to work on it now | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | need some concrete result and data from them I feel | 13:40 |
| Qiming | true | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | yes, only about 2~3 weeks left | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | let's see if we can grab him online this week | 13:40 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | anything else? | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | nope from me | 13:41 |
| Qiming | next cycle I want to focus more on container clustering | 13:41 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, that's an important workitem | 13:42 |
| Qiming | it is an intersection between company agenda and community work | 13:42 |
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| yanyanhu | right, may need more thinking here | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | especially about the use case | 13:43 |
| Qiming | use case is not a problem | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | how to make the design consistent with the real demand from user | 13:43 |
| Qiming | I can see a lot out there | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | yep, users can be end users or operators | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:44 |
| Qiming | need to be a little bit careful about the differences | 13:44 |
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| yanyanhu | I see | 13:44 |
| Qiming | try something useful and get it deployed | 13:44 |
| lixinhui_ | by company agenda, could you give more information | 13:44 |
| Qiming | then move forward based on that | 13:45 |
| lixinhui_ | share more strategy or customer | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | lixinhui_, not yet | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | you will know it when they want you know | 13:45 |
| lixinhui_ | okay | 13:45 |
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| lixinhui_ | who are they | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | they are big man LOL | 13:46 |
| lixinhui_ | oh | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | just kidding | 13:46 |
| lixinhui_ | sorry for my understanding capability these days | 13:46 |
| lixinhui_ | busy and English downgrade very quickly | 13:47 |
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| yanyanhu | lol | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:47 |
| Qiming | if you need some additional nutrition, you can call me any time | 13:47 |
| Qiming | I can watch you eat | 13:47 |
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| yanyanhu | haha | 13:47 |
| lixinhui_ | Thank you, Qiming... | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | don't steal food from baby | 13:47 |
| Qiming | u r welcome | 13:47 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | guess that's all for today? | 13:48 |
| lixinhui_ | no from me | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | yes, think so | 13:48 |
| Qiming | thanks for you time | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | thanks, have a good night | 13:48 |
| lixinhui_ | have a good night | 13:48 |
| Qiming | bye, and | 13:48 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 13:48:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-09-27-13.01.html | 13:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-09-27-13.01.txt | 13:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-09-27-13.01.log.html | 13:48 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 14:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 14:00 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 14:00 |
| ihrachys | howdy | 14:00 |
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| pc_m | o/ | 14:00 |
| alraddarla_ | hello :) | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hola | 14:00 |
| hoangcx | hi | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 14:00 |
| andreas_s | hi | 14:00 |
| sbelous_ | hello | 14:00 |
| dasanind_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:00 |
| amotoki_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:00 |
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| hichihara | o/ | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:01 |
| * ihrachys notes the agenda is not really in shape for the meeting, so he will improvise a bit | 14:01 | |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| ihrachys | first, in case someone lives deep under a rock, I remind that armax is our PTL for Ocata | 14:02 |
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| rossella_s | hi | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | summit planning has already started | 14:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | moo. | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | I don't believe we had a discussion for neutron related setup for the summit yet, I bet armax will update us in next weeks. | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | but for cross project sessions, we are already collecting topics | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | make sure you walk thru the list and propose ideas for cross project sessions | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | I believe it's ~one week until the list is closed, so don't drag | 14:04 |
| lilintan | o/ | 14:04 |
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| ihrachys | as you noticed, master is open for Ocata for some time, and we land Ocata only patches already. | 14:04 |
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| ihrachys | we still have *not* released Newton final | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | so far we released RC1 only | 14:05 |
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| ihrachys | and we are looking to release RC2 in next day or two | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | after that, there is quiet period till Oct 6: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104373.html | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | on that day, the last RC we release will be considered final and will officially ship to consumers | 14:05 |
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| ihrachys | since Ocata cycle is open, I wanted to share with folks that I want to step down from being a release liaison for Ocata | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | people who feel like taking over the torch are highly welcome to step up | 14:07 |
| ajo | late o/ | 14:07 |
| amotoki_ | ihrachys: thanks you very much as release liaison so far | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | if you don't step up, you effectively make your PTL a release liaison, and he will be sad about it | 14:07 |
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| njohnston | ihrachys: thanks for all your hard work as release liaison! | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | don't make your ptl sad | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | thanks folks, I appreciate | 14:08 |
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| ihrachys | talk to me or armax if you feel you can help with the role | 14:08 |
| amotoki_ | ihrachys: if you can provide more information about the role of release liaison, it will be helpful for folks who are thinking to serve as release liaison. | 14:09 |
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| ajo | thank you ihrachys! | 14:09 |
| hichihara | amotoki_: ++ | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | I think for the most part it's covered in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Release_management | 14:10 |
| dasanind_ | amotoki_: ++ | 14:10 |
| electrocucaracha | amotoki_: ++ | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | and http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/release-management.html | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | there is more info to that, but that should give the idea | 14:10 |
| lilintan | amotoki_:++ | 14:10 |
| amotoki_ | ihrachys: thanks. that would be enough for most cases. | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | basically, it's about creating release requests for the whole stadium, plus helping armax to track release critical fixes | 14:10 |
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| ihrachys | while at it, I want to mention that I hold the oslo liaison role for several cycles already, and would be happy if someone takes that one over too, if anything, for the sake of rotation in the team. | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | that one involves in tracking 'oslo' tag in launchpad, plus attending a single oslo meeting per week :) | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | again, talk to me for details | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | do you want to be the docs liaison too? :) | 14:12 |
| johnsom | ihrachys with the chances in the stadium, how many projects do you track for release? | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: even with those off my shoulders, I still have stable liaison thing! | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | docs is moar fun! | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | johnsom: everything under https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/projects.yaml#L2810 | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | though it doesn't take too much time now because the process is more streamlined lately | 14:13 |
| johnsom | Still quite a number then. | 14:13 |
| johnsom | Yes, the release team has done a great job at making it a smooth process | 14:14 |
| ihrachys | johnsom: yeah. I believe the list may shrink though. I hope it does. :) | 14:14 |
| johnsom | I know one that will be coming off the list... Grin | 14:14 |
| ihrachys | I hope more will :) some for better some for worse | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | anyhoo | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | let's walk thru Newton release matters for a sec | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | #topic Closing Newton release | 14:15 |
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| ihrachys | the RC2 request is up but it will need a respin after I clarify with armax the final bits to include into it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376998/ | 14:15 |
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| ihrachys | fyi the dashboard to track the final bits is the same as before, https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-rc2 | 14:16 |
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| ihrachys | note that as per email from Armando you must not target any new bugs for the milestone without talking to him (or me): http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104547.html | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | if you feel like, just tag a critical bug with newton-rc-potential (and still talk to us) | 14:17 |
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| ihrachys | reminder: postmortem is still up for comments, fill your PTL in with latest state if not already: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360207/ | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | before we cut off RC2 that will probably be final, walk thru release notes for the release: | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/neutron/newton.html | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/neutron-dynamic-routing/newton.html | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/neutron-fwaas/newton.html | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/neutron-lbaas/newton.html | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/neutron-vpnaas/newton.html | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | if you see an issue there, you still have time to propose a fix today. don't loose the chance. | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | btw njohnston, I haven't seen octavia release notes at https://releases.openstack.org/newton/ is it expected? is it because the project is release:independent? | 14:19 |
| njohnston | I will check that out! | 14:20 |
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| ihrachys | ok | 14:20 |
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| amotoki_ | njohnston: neutron-lbaas-dashboard too | 14:20 |
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| ihrachys | the release brings me to the next topic which is… | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | #topic Docs | 14:20 |
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| ihrachys | we have quite some doc bugs opened | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=doc Doc bugs | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | ideally we would not have the list that huge at this point into release | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | please take a bug or two from the list and help with closing them | 14:21 |
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| ihrachys | we want our docs in shape before the release amirite? | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: since you are here, do you have any specific updates from the docs team? | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: not too much | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm still working on updating all the deployment scenarios | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | its a lot of work, but moving along. | 14:22 |
| amotoki_ | regarding docs, I send LBaaS v1 drop patch to the networking guide https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377229/ | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i hope to get it merged in time for when the docs cut newton, plus a backport to mitaka | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | its also nice to see all the contributions from neutron folks | 14:23 |
| amotoki_ | I would like to know how we can do database data migration from v1 to v2. | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | also, please tag me in any docs patches so i can help move them along | 14:23 |
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| johnsom | There is a script in the tools directory that can assist with v1 to v2 DB migrations | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | amotoki_: I think there was a conversion script, though not really tested. | 14:23 |
| johnsom | +1 | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | at this point I don't believe it would belong to official docs | 14:24 |
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| amotoki_ | johnsom: yeah, I see the script in neutron-lbaas repo, but I wonder how operators can use it. | 14:24 |
| alraddarla_ | regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376976/ : I was asked to use project_id instead of tenant_id, but this would not be consistent with the rest of the documentation. Any insight? | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: you could just track the link with all 'doc' tagged bugs for neutron to keep an eye on our backlog. wouldn't it work? | 14:24 |
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| amotoki_ | alraddarla_: sorry for late review on API reference. I will look at it soon. | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: i could do that, assuming they're all tagged :) | 14:25 |
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| amotoki_ | alraddarla_: at the moment, we use tenant_id now and would like to add project_id in a followup patch. | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | alraddarla_: I don't think the suggestion is correct: metering extension does NOT provide the project_id attribute, project_id extension does. The base metering extension supports just tenant_id | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: I think they are, at least those created by the virtue of DocImpact | 14:26 |
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| alraddarla_ | amotoki_ ihrachys : thank you! Just needs reviewed I believe then | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: even if not all of them are, the list itself is quite long to keep us busy for some time :) | 14:27 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Gate status | 14:28 |
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| ihrachys | just wanted folks to be aware of the state of the gate | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate Grafana | 14:28 |
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| ihrachys | one board that stands out is the one for unit tests in gate queue | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=3&fullscreen Unit tests gate trend | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | it shows that our unit tests are ~25% failing rate in gate (?) | 14:29 |
| HenryG | Yeah that should be 0 | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | but I suspect it's the infra issue of a breakage of zuul-cloner | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | we had one yesterday I believe | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | so I hope it will get back to normal after a while | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | though the last time I reloaded it, I saw the raising trend which made me feel uneasy. if that would be a solved issue, wouldn't it go down? | 14:31 |
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| ihrachys | (for some reason, it does not reload for me quick enough right now) | 14:31 |
| HenryG | Too many people looking | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | oh it actually started to go down | 14:31 |
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| haleyb | it was 70% last night | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | ok then we are good :) | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | other dashboards are more or less in shape | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | note we track gate failures in launchpad | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure Known gate bugs | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | if your patch failed in gate, please DON'T recheck blindly | 14:33 |
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| ihrachys | instead, look thru the logs, then the bug tracker and report a new bug with gate-failure tag if there is no existing bug for the failure you see | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | (and help driving it to a fix) | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | every time you recheck with no bug, a kitten dies somewhere | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | #topic Planning for Ocata | 14:34 |
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| ihrachys | as I said before, there are still no specific directions from armax on summit planning | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, neutron-drivers revived their meetings and will slowly process the backlog of RFEs | 14:35 |
| ajo | recheck with no bugs should be negative karma in stackalytics.... | 14:35 |
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| ihrachys | also, if you own a spec, please repropose it for ocata (there is a directory for that in the tree) | 14:35 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: haha, good idea | 14:35 |
| ajo | :-) | 14:35 |
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| mlavalle | well the dying of kittens is bad enough | 14:36 |
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| ihrachys | I see quite some blueprint specific topics in the agenda wiki page like for neutron-lib or OSC. I am not sure those should survive now that we are in Ocata mode. I will leave it up to armax to reformat the page for the new times. | 14:37 |
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| ihrachys | I will take the liberty and skip those. if anything, blame me. | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | #topic On Demand Agenda | 14:37 |
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| ihrachys | there are no new topics in the list on wiki for what I see | 14:38 |
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| ihrachys | so unless someone raises a topic of interest to majority of the team now, I will call it a day. | 14:38 |
| ihrachys | and return you back your precious 20+ mins of life | 14:38 |
| ihrachys | oki-doki, the silence says it all. go get some coffee or whiskey depending on your timezone. | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | ciao | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 14:39 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks ihrachys | 14:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 14:39:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-09-27-14.00.html | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-09-27-14.00.txt | 14:39 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-09-27-14.00.log.html | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | adios | 14:39 |
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| ajo | thank you ihrachys :) | 14:40 |
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| dasanind_ | ihrachys: thanks | 14:40 |
| ajo | mlavalle, hasta luego ;D | 14:40 |
| amotoki__ | bye! russhing into the train :) | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | ajo: buenas noches! | 14:40 |
| brianstajkowski | cya! | 14:40 |
| lilintan | thanks | 14:40 |
| rossella_s | bye! | 14:40 |
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| hoangcx | thanks | 14:40 |
| sbelous_ | до свидания :) | 14:40 |
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| hichihara | ihrachys: Bug deputy for this week? I missed it? | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | sbelous_: that's good! | 14:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:59 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | What do we have for today? | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | I don't have anything new except that I've made a little bit of progress on docs. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | ... and I won't be around for next weeks meeting. | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: in API testing, we found some unexpected behavior | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | ... and I'm going to be off most of the week until then. :) | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Let's start the meeting. | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | maybe we are misinformed | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_routed_networks | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 15:02:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_routed_networks)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_routed_networks' | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | I won't be around for this meeting next week. So, let's cancel it. Just keep going on the same trajectory. | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | ok, will do | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Newton RC-2 is imminent. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Summit is just 4 short weeks away. | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | yaaay | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | I hope to see many people there. | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | If you have docs bugs or changes that need to be done, now is a good time to do those. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | I will be off most of the next week. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | From tomorrow until next Wednesday. | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | Okay, moving on... | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Testing | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | ohhh, next week means "Routed Networks week" | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I just got that. Yes, that's what I mean. Not "calendar week" | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | as for testing | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: You have the floor now. You were mentioning some unexpected behavior... | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | we added a test case to verify the api behavior as for as the ip_allocation attribute in ports | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | we create an unbound port and we get no fixed ips | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | and ip_allocation in 'deferred' as expected | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | we then bind the port | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | we get fixed ips | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | but ip_allocation is still 'deferred' | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | is that the expected behavior? I thought at that point it should be 'immediate' | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | armax foresaw this confusion... | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | maybe it's a misunderdstanding on my part | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | We need to document this. I should create a documentation bug to ensure this doesn't get forgotten. | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | The ip_allocation attribute just reflects how the port was created. That's all. | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | ok, so a port update doesn't change what was left in ip_allocation by the create | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | correct? | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | Correcty | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | s/y// | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | cool! | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | we will fix the test case | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | I have also started digging as to how we are going to create the multinode job in jenkins for the tests | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Cool, how is that going? | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | multinode means 2 nodes | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | 2 > 1. :) | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | infra doesn't have anything larger than that | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: It is possible to do two segments with two nodes. But, I'm not sure what will do the routing. | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | so we have now a 2 node vagrant environment that Bin put together based on my original environment | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | ... if we need that in the tests. | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | we wanted to put the roiter in one of those two nodes | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | router^^^ | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | it already works | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | so we know we can have an allinone, a compute and a router in 2 vm's | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: that works. I was thinking of that but wasn't sure if there would be any issues routing traffic from the provider network on that node through the "router" on the same node. | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | what I am working on right now is in having enough interfaces in the compute / router node in the environment offered by infra | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I just hadn't thought it through all the way. | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | we have the scenario test already working in that 2 node env. It tests connectivity between two vm's | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: cool | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | the challenge nowis to translate that to what infra offers us | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb gave me some pointers yesterday that I have to follow | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Cool. haleyb is awesome that way. | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have today as far as update in testing | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else for today's meeting? | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Agenda | 15:18 |
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| * mlavalle thinks haleyb is awsome in many ways | 15:18 | |
| haleyb | mlavalle: np, you're very welcome | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | Basically, review the transcript from two weeks ago. That is still the direction we need to be moving. | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | Just to let you know that I followed up in our conversation of last week's meeting | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: ++ | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | and now we can process port events for ports with multiple fixed ips as far as the integration with NOva generic resoure pools | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | The only missing piss is the association of aggregates with resource providers | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | that hasn't merged in Nova | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | But that hasn't stopped our progress | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | I am 'mocking' it in the code | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: excellent! | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | so next step is to add unit tests | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I will do that this week and keep and I on the missing Nova bit | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | that's all I have today | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks for the report. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | ... from anyone? | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | Not from me | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | ok | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | going once... | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | going twice... | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 15:26:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-09-27-15.02.html | 15:26 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-09-27-15.02.txt | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks mlavalle and haleyb | 15:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-09-27-15.02.log.html | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: enjoy your time off! | 15:26 |
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| haleyb | adios | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | adios haleyb | 15:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 16:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| tbh | o/ | 16:01 |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:01 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 16:01 |
| janki | o/ | 16:01 |
| mike_m | o/ | 16:01 |
| n-harada | o/ | 16:01 |
| abinaya__ | o/ | 16:01 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 16:01 |
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| sripriya | o/ | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | howdy all !! | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair sripriya tbh | 16:02 |
| s3wong | o/ | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: sridhar_ram sripriya tbh | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair sripriya tbh s3wong | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: s3wong sridhar_ram sripriya tbh | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Sep_27th.2C_2016 | 16:03 |
| neel | o/ | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Annoucements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Annoucements (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:03 | |
| sridhar_ram | Tacker Newton got released, hurray !!! | 16:03 |
| vishwanathj | awesome | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-September/001665.html | 16:03 |
| janki | yyeyeyeyy | 16:03 |
| dkushwaha | congrats all :) | 16:03 |
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| sripriya | congrats team. great effort!! | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Tacker horizon vvvv | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-September/001666.html | 16:04 |
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| abinaya__ | hi all, i work for Sprint, I am new to tacker. I have just setup the dev env | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | you just need to see all those commits that went in .. that just last 4 weeks | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | abinaya__: welcome to the team! | 16:05 |
| abinaya__ | i would like to work on a bug | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | IMHO, this is one of the best release of Tacker!! Tons of things went in | 16:05 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | Agree w/ Sripriya, this was a great team effort! | 16:06 |
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| mike_m | great work, I'm very impressed with its feature set! | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: thanks! | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | abinaya__: that's a good way to start.. | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else to announce? | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | nothing else from my side.. | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Newton Restrospective | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | It make sense to pause few mins and assess what worked well in newton and what didn't .. | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | Thoughts? | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | We all should be as frank as we can be.. | 16:08 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: functional and unit tests need to go hand in hand with a feature or rfe patch | 16:09 |
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| vishwanathj | Breaking up into multiple patchsets worked well for me for the events audit plugin even though there were initial hiccups | 16:09 |
| dkushwaha | vishwanathj, +1 | 16:10 |
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| tung_doan | sripriya: +1 | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | one from my side on what-worked-well... when a feature was struggling a bit, different members naturally jumped in to help out .. a "sub-team" got organically formed, they owned the feature and most importantly delivered!! | 16:10 |
| vishwanathj | +1 | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | ^^ this happened repeated .. VNFFG, alarm-mon, audit-log, etc | 16:11 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:11 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, +1 | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | To me this is a cue for new members joining Tacker, they still can make a big by joining a "sub-team" or propose something "big" and ask for a sub-team to be formed .. | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | we can try formalizing this in Ocata.. | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: yes, unit and func needs to go hand in hand.. we still need improvements in this area | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | now, what else could be improved ? | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | I've an etherpad here for this.. | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-retrospective | 16:15 |
| vishwanathj | it might be a good idea for reviewers and coders to come up with acceptance criteria for a patch early on if possible... as soon a developer thinks he or she is done, you get a comment that was not thought through during spec time .... expect this to be improved over time though | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | if you think of anything, please capture in there.. | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: agree, the more thorough spec review can help us avoid such expectation gap between the submitters and reviewers | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | that reminds be of one more thing... the submitters of big features need to actively solicit / recruit reviewers ... | 16:18 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i guess ownership on the spec reviews can help so that the reviewer and developer can work through the spec to get it to its possible best | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | reviewer bandwidth is important along the same lines as a submitters bandwidth.. reviewing is hard work !! | 16:18 |
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| vishwanathj | I understand that not everything can be thought through at spec review .. but a running list of acceptance criteria initiated by developer during implementation and modified as per dialogue between submitter/reviewer could help get a sight on when patch can be closed | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: +1, perhaps that answers by above suggestion... to "recruit" one of the spec reviewers to be your code reviewer.. this will also alleviate the problem that vishwanathj brought up | 16:20 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: agree | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: we do have "work items" listed in the spec and we tracked that in the BP launchpad.. that was very useful. | 16:20 |
| vishwanathj | +1 on the work items, that was very helpful | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | Again, I'll capture these points in the etherpad after this meeting.. feel free to add anything else u can think of | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | we will try to incorporate in the upcoming cycle.. | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on | 16:21 |
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| vishwanathj | that helped me a lot to track my tasks, a good practice to continue | 16:22 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, instead of combining all in one patch, we should break down the large patches | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: agree.. | 16:22 |
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| vishwanathj | the core team did a great job reviewing patchsets and also guiding team members when stuck....hopefully, you folks got enough sleep in this cycle | 16:23 |
| janki | All in one patch is easy to test - like for me testing alarm-mon was easier | 16:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: .. however there were some angst what "sized" patchset is ideal... | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: too many too small patchset are pain to test, ack janki's point .. | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | we need to find a good balance | 16:24 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, janki IMO patches should be logically complete at smallest level instead of their size | 16:24 |
| diga | I prefer splitting larger patch into small will be good | 16:24 |
| vishwanathj | dksushwaha +1 ... it took a while to understand that concept for me, but was glad that I did it that way in the end | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: thanks.. credits goes to all the rock start core-team members.. | 16:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | alright folks, lots of good input.. will capture them into the etherpad.. | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | time to move to the next topic | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Barcelona Summit Planning | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-ocata-summit | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | Let's pencil in some candidate topics for the design summit... | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | Fishbowl session Wed 3:05 - 3:45pm .. is a bigger room, and probably would be widely attended | 16:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | It will be good to talk about our roadmap / vision beyond things in flight.. | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | we can take up the next working session for near term features .. either already started or just about to .. | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | any suggestions ? ideas ? | 16:28 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, I would like to talk on containarised VNF. I am working on getting the demo ready | 16:29 |
| * sridhar_ram specifically looking for folks who are going to be in barcelona | 16:29 | |
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| mike_m | sridhar_ram: multi-vim, specifically vcloud API? | 16:29 |
| sripriya | mike_m: +1 | 16:29 |
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| mike_m | sridhar_ram: I will be there. | 16:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: great... | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: sripriya: on that I've reached out to some one from VMware working on Nova .. we should plan to invite nova-vmware members to our fishbowl session | 16:30 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: yeah, that would be great idea | 16:31 |
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| mike_m | sridhar_ram: would also like to discuss the "EM" API. I'm still trying to figure out what that should look like, but would like an open discussion on that. | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: for containerized VNF .. it might be possible just w/ TOSCA VDU changes and enhancing openstack VIM driver to interface w/ Magnum / Zun through Heat | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: sure, lets pencil that in for the working session | 16:33 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, I am thinking the same - having magnum instead of heat | 16:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | i just updated the etherpad | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: dkushwaha: do you folks want to talk more on VNFC & NSD in the summit ? perhaps what can be done beyond the initial VNFC and NSD support ? | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: I'd suggest you to put together a short google doc / slides to present for EM API... it will help to trigger the conversation | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: can you take that up? | 16:37 |
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| mike_m | sridhar_ram: yes I can | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | can you folks "hear" me ? | 16:40 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram, I can | 16:40 |
| mike_m | sridhar_ram: I can, I was booted as well for a short time | 16:40 |
| vishwanathj | I am seeing the same | 16:40 |
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| sridhar_ram_alt | We have about 15mins left.. let's see if irc channel settles up | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | Folks .. i'm ending this early due to IRC issues | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 16:49:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-09-27-16.01.html | 16:49 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-09-27-16.01.txt | 16:49 |
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| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 17:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 17:00 |
| igordcard | hi all | 17:00 |
| igordcard | let's wait 2 minutes to improve the chances of everyone being around | 17:00 |
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| davidsha | hi | 17:00 |
| igordcard | hi davidsha | 17:00 |
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| davidsha | hey igordcard | 17:00 |
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| ralonsoh | HI | 17:01 |
| igordcard | hi ralonsoh | 17:02 |
| ralonsoh | problems in freenode? | 17:02 |
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| ralonsoh | maybe it's not the best day for this... too many people down | 17:02 |
| davidsha | There seems to be an excessive amount of people loosing connection | 17:03 |
| clarkb | yes freenode has said christmas has come early and they arereceiving many packets | 17:03 |
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| davidsha | kk, thanks clarkb | 17:03 |
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| igordcard | yep looks like it, and I'm also having network connectivity issues, apologies if I stay silent for a few minutes | 17:04 |
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| igordcard | anyone else here for the classification framework + ovs flow management meeting? | 17:04 |
| davidsha | *Raises hand | 17:04 |
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| * igordcard raises hand as well ... | 17:05 | |
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| igordcard | 5 minutes now, I'll go through the topics anyway to keep them documented, and we can better discuss next meeting or at the summit | 17:06 |
| igordcard | #info Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonFlowClassifier#Discussion_Topic_27.2F9.2F2016 | 17:06 |
| igordcard | we'll start with the Common Classification / Common Classifier part of the meeting | 17:06 |
| igordcard | #topic Can we converge on a first approach (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993)? | 17:06 |
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| igordcard | we have 3 approaches documented - we should vote on a specific one so we can start development asap | 17:07 |
| igordcard | any preferences towards a specific approach? | 17:07 |
| igordcard | this is one of the questions that need to be answered and agreed | 17:07 |
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| davidsha | Approach 2 seemed good, I'll need to review the spec again though to make sure I understand it. | 17:08 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: yep people seemed to lean towards that approach, overall | 17:09 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: ack, Not sure if we can make a decision for this at the moment though with only those in attendance | 17:09 |
| igordcard | no, no, I'm just documenting the topics for this meeting | 17:10 |
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| igordcard | moving on... | 17:10 |
| igordcard | #topic Next steps on the common classifier | 17:10 |
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| tamilhce | /msg NickServ identify openstack | 17:11 |
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| igordcard | next steps will be defined after we converge to an approach | 17:11 |
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| davidsha | kk, this is being developed outside of Neutron correct, it's going into neutron-classifier right? | 17:12 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: right, that's the next topic | 17:12 |
| igordcard | moving on... | 17:12 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: ack | 17:12 |
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| igordcard | #topic Repo: new repo or neutron-classifier repo? | 17:12 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: my 2 cents is use neutron-classifier, it's already set up and is meant for this purpose. | 17:13 |
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| igordcard | overall, people seem to think it's a good idea to base the new common classification framework on the neutron-classifier, independently of which approach is chosen | 17:13 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: yep I would also vote for that | 17:14 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: As in use the repo or base the approach on the existing neutron-classifier code? | 17:14 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: at least the repo... but if part of the code is already well-aligned with what we will plan to do, then code may be reused as well, sure | 17:16 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: ack | 17:16 |
| igordcard | we'll have to better figure out what to develop, and that depends on what approach gets chosen | 17:16 |
| igordcard | moving on... | 17:16 |
| igordcard | #topic Classification Framework: Barcelona Summit arrangements | 17:16 |
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| igordcard | so, for the record, I will be going the the barcelona summit | 17:17 |
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| davidsha | I'll be there as well. | 17:17 |
| igordcard | we should meet-up there to accelerate the common classification framework | 17:17 |
| davidsha | +1 | 17:18 |
| igordcard | I'm hoping that more people come to the next meeting so we can know who else is going and schedule some meetups | 17:18 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: there will be another meeting on the october 11 so we can grab more people on IRC | 17:19 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: +1 | 17:20 |
| igordcard | switching to the OVS Flow Management part of the meeting.. | 17:20 |
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| igordcard | moving on.. | 17:20 |
| igordcard | #topic Status of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439/ | 17:20 |
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| igordcard | there is good agreement on the current state of the OVS flow management spec | 17:20 |
| igordcard | davidsha: would you like to take over this topic of the meeting? | 17:20 |
| davidsha | igordcard: sure, there isn't much to add though. | 17:21 |
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| davidsha | The spec is almost merged and there seems to be an agreement on the approach | 17:21 |
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| davidsha | I'll resume the POC code I developed and aim to have it ready for Ocata-1 in November. Code reviews would be appreciated. | 17:22 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: alright, that's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323963/ right? | 17:23 |
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| davidsha | I'll need to sync with ajo as well to make sure there isn't any misunderstandings. | 17:23 |
| davidsha | igordcard: yup | 17:23 |
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| igordcard | cool | 17:23 |
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| igordcard | alright | 17:24 |
| igordcard | moving on.. | 17:24 |
| igordcard | #topic OVS Flow Management: Barcelona Summit arrangements | 17:24 |
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| igordcard | same as what I said for the classification framework part | 17:25 |
| igordcard | we'll defer this until the next meeting | 17:25 |
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| igordcard | moving on.. | 17:25 |
| igordcard | #topic Open discussion | 17:25 |
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| igordcard | anything else you want to discuss? | 17:25 |
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| davidsha | I'm good, you? | 17:25 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: great! | 17:25 |
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| igordcard | thanks all! *cough* davidsha | 17:25 |
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| igordcard | I guess this is everything for now | 17:26 |
| davidsha | Lol, thank igordcard! | 17:26 |
| igordcard | cya | 17:26 |
| davidsha | cya | 17:26 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 17:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 17:26:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2016/network_common_flow_classifier.2016-09-27-17.00.html | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2016/network_common_flow_classifier.2016-09-27-17.00.txt | 17:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2016/network_common_flow_classifier.2016-09-27-17.00.log.html | 17:26 |
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| breton | peanut butter jelly time | 17:59 |
| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
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| rodrigods | o/ | 17:59 |
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| rodrigods | that time | 17:59 |
| crinkle | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | https://manyworldstheory.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/tumblr_ndk1altiwi1r3kmkso3_400.gif | 18:00 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 18:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | \o/ | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| amakarov | hI! | 18:00 |
| henrynash | hi | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | hey | 18:00 |
| topol | o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ hi | 18:00 |
| browne | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | topol: oh great, you showed up, i put you on the agenda | 18:01 |
| stevemar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:01 |
| stevemar | agenda is over here ^ it's packed! | 18:01 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:01 |
| raildo | \o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | no ping? | 18:01 |
| stevemar | ping ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, crinkle, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, jaugustine, joesavak, jorge_munoz, knikolla, lbragstad, MaxPC, morgan, nishaYadav, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek | 18:02 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: :D | 18:02 |
| ktychkova_ | hi! | 18:02 |
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| amakarov | pong | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad: age is getting to me | 18:02 |
| topol | I see my worth these days... | 18:02 |
| stevemar | topol: <3 | 18:02 |
| topol | :-) | 18:03 |
| stevemar | i figure we got enough folks | 18:03 |
| stevemar | let's get down to business | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #topic RC status | 18:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "RC status (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| stevemar | we had a bug that needed to be fixed (thanks rderose!) | 18:03 |
| stevemar | last week I proposed rc2 of keystone, and sat on it until this week, in case we saw another bug report | 18:04 |
| stevemar | but it's been quiet, so i asked the release team to tag rc2 | 18:04 |
| rderose | stevemar: np :) | 18:04 |
| stevemar | you can see the bug here: link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/newton-rc2 | 18:05 |
| stevemar | hopefully we don't hear anything else and that'll be the level we use for the proper release | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | which means... ocata development is wide open | 18:05 |
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| * lbragstad loves the smell of open development | 18:07 | |
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| breton | cool | 18:09 |
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| breton | stevemar: still with us? :) | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | breton i wonder if he fell asleep | 18:09 |
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| topol | stevemar, you there? | 18:09 |
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| topol | I think he got disconnected | 18:10 |
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| stevemar | I added placeholder migrations: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/3a84987ce0388a7131d9f13b1ae2ced3ba083ada so we're good for ocata | 18:10 |
| stevemar | next topic, unless someone has questions? :) | 18:10 |
| stevemar | #topic Fill in all the etherpads | 18:10 |
| stevemar | why didn't the bot change the topic... | 18:10 |
| stevemar | am i disconnected? :\ | 18:10 |
| stevemar | the next topic is an announcement, i'm asking folks to fill in the etherpads: Retrospective https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-newton-retrospective and Summit discussion ideas: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-ocata-summit-brainstorm | 18:10 |
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| breton | oh wow :) | 18:10 |
| * amakarov goes develop ocata | 18:10 | |
| * amakarov goes to develop ocata | 18:10 | |
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| stevemar | got dang it | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | that was weird | 18:10 |
| stevemar | lol amakarov | 18:10 |
| stevemar | sorry! | 18:11 |
| bknudson | lol | 18:11 |
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| topol | he'ssss BAAAACK | 18:11 |
| stevemar | i got disconnected, i was talking into a void apparently | 18:11 |
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| stevemar | hokaayyyy | 18:11 |
| stevemar | so, i was going to say "next topic, unless someone has questions? :)" | 18:11 |
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| stevemar | alright, next topic | 18:12 |
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| henrynash | (I think everyone got disconnected) | 18:12 |
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| bknudson | I'm still here | 18:12 |
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| morgan_ | o/ | 18:13 |
| gagehugo | :/ | 18:13 |
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| morgan_ | i can barely get on irc | 18:13 |
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| stevemar_ | what the heck is going on | 18:13 |
| stevemar_ | morgan_: same | 18:13 |
| stevemar_ | is everyone still in the meeting? | 18:13 |
| breton | yes | 18:13 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | i'm here | 18:13 |
| * rodrigods is here | 18:13 | |
| amakarov | oh, stevemar_ is yellow! | 18:13 |
| henrynash | yep | 18:13 |
| raildo | here | 18:13 |
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| morgan_ | i've been unable to login until just now. | 18:13 |
| ktychkova_ | o/ | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | amakarov, xchat? heh | 18:13 |
| stevemar_ | sorry got all the hiccups everyone | 18:13 |
| gagehugo | Maybe freenode issues | 18:13 |
| amakarov | rodrigods, ++ | 18:13 |
| morgan_ | yeah | 18:13 |
| breton | 19:45 -christel(christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel)- [Global Notice] Hi all, it would appear that Christmas has come early and we're once more receiving a great deal of packets. We'll work with our brilliant sponsors to mitigate as best we can and apologise for the noise and disruption. | 18:14 |
| stevemar_ | gagehugo: yeah | 18:14 |
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| morgan_ | ddos/massive netsplit | 18:14 |
| breton | that was 1.5h ago | 18:14 |
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| crinkle | wheeeee | 18:14 |
| stevemar_ | well, let's keep chugging along i guess | 18:14 |
| stevemar_ | can i even change topic.. | 18:15 |
| stevemar_ | #topic Fill in all the etherpads | 18:15 |
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| stevemar_ | nope | 18:15 |
| bknudson | that's the topic already according to my ui | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | same | 18:15 |
| knikolla | that's already the topic, at least for me | 18:15 |
| stevemar_ | graet | 18:15 |
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| stevemar_ | the next topic is an announcement, i'm asking folks to fill in the etherpads: Retrospective https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-newton-retrospective and Summit discussion ideas: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-ocata-summit-brainstorm | 18:15 |
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| stevemar_ | that was it... | 18:16 |
| stevemar_ | i haven't looked at the etherpads in a while, but i'm hoping there is more content that before, it was looking rather scarce | 18:16 |
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| breton | again? | 18:19 |
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| lbragstad | looks like it | 18:20 |
| knikolla | \o/ | 18:20 |
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| stevemar____ | ugh | 18:20 |
| stevemar____ | this is terrible | 18:20 |
| stevemar____ | someone else want to chair? | 18:20 |
| stevemar | i haven't looked at the etherpads in a while, but i'm hoping there is more content that before, it was looking rather scarce | 18:20 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar____ switch your nick | 18:21 |
| knikolla | (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ | 18:21 |
| morgan | i just got booted as well | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | to stevemar | 18:21 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: and do what? | 18:21 |
| rodrigods | stevemar, it is bad to everyone i guess | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar you started the meeting as stevemar | 18:21 |
| henrynash | (me things steve is disconneced again? or maybe we all are...) | 18:21 |
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| stevemar | #endmeeting keystone | 18:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 18:21:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-09-27-18.00.html | 18:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-09-27-18.00.txt | 18:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-09-27-18.00.log.html | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | should we head over to #openstack-keystone? | 18:22 |
| gagehugo | Bot got that lol | 18:22 |
| stevemar | gagehugo: damn bot | 18:22 |
| morgan | this is bad today. | 18:22 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: we can stay here until end of hour i guess | 18:22 |
| stevemar | morgan: yeah | 18:22 |
| rodrigods | slack! | 18:22 |
| breton | like slack cannot be ddosed | 18:22 |
| morgan | oftc. | 18:22 |
| knikolla | at least not simoultaneously i guess | 18:23 |
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| stevemar | we can continue the meeting here, it just won't be logged :( | 18:23 |
| morgan | the openstack community exceeds the maximum size slack can support | 18:23 |
| morgan | ftr. | 18:23 |
| * rodrigods was kidding | 18:23 | |
| lbragstad | stevemar ok | 18:23 |
| rodrigods | --' | 18:23 |
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| stevemar | so fill in the etherpads! :) | 18:24 |
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| stevemar | Retrospective https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-newton-retrospective | 18:24 |
| stevemar | Summit discussion ideas: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-ocata-summit-brainstorm | 18:24 |
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| stevemar | next topic is ... "removing PKI" | 18:24 |
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| stevemar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374479/4 | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374479 | 18:25 |
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| breton | o/ | 18:25 |
| stevemar | so it seems like we can't remove all things PKI, just the token portion :) | 18:25 |
| bknudson | I thought this was just removing PKI token support | 18:25 |
| breton | keys in PKI are used for 2 things: PKI tokens and revocation lists signing | 18:25 |
| rodrigods | stevemar, meeting is over to me here: <openstack> Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 18:21:59 2016 UT | 18:25 |
| morgan | and without pki tokens, we shouldn't be signing the rev lists. | 18:26 |
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| lbragstad | ++ but does that mean a backwards incompatible api change? | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | for the revocation list api? | 18:26 |
| morgan | there was a fix to make it so we could still send rev list on the API without needing to configure pki tokens | 18:26 |
| morgan | well 2 things | 18:26 |
| morgan | with fernet, no one uses that API | 18:26 |
| morgan | without pki configured, it is likely unsigned | 18:26 |
| breton | no | 18:27 |
| breton | without pki configured it raises errors | 18:27 |
| morgan | then it is broken when folks do not configure pki | 18:27 |
| breton | yep | 18:27 |
| bknudson | I posted code some time ago to make it so that the revocation list didn't have to be encoded since it uses audit IDs only | 18:27 |
| morgan | then i have to [unfortunately] classify that API as PKI-token exclusive | 18:27 |
| bknudson | but I didn't finish up the auth_token part. | 18:27 |
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| morgan | and if pki tokens are removed, that api is fairly useless | 18:28 |
| bknudson | I think it's still used for uuid tokens. | 18:28 |
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| morgan | in theory it is. | 18:28 |
| stevemar____ | glad to see the convo continued! :) | 18:28 |
| morgan | but it looks like to actually use it you need to configure pki | 18:28 |
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| stevemar | the same PKI keys that we generate to use for tokens are also used to get revoked tokens | 18:28 |
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| bknudson | yes, you need the certs. | 18:28 |
| morgan | also, it doesn't matter since uuid tokens are live-validated | 18:28 |
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| bknudson | when uuid tokens are cached they're checked against the revocation list. | 18:29 |
| stevemar____ | morgan: we can't remove an API anyway :\ | 18:29 |
| breton | that is all correct. | 18:29 |
| bknudson | not sure how this works with fernet. | 18:29 |
| morgan | bknudson: it doesn't work at all | 18:29 |
| morgan | it just isn't used | 18:29 |
| morgan | if a fernet token is cached... it is cached | 18:30 |
| morgan | no rev list | 18:30 |
| morgan | it's valid until cache expiry | 18:30 |
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| bknudson | weird | 18:30 |
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| morgan | stevemar____: i'm not advocating removing it, i'm advocating making it always return an empty list | 18:30 |
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| breton | morgan: ++ to that option | 18:30 |
| stevemar____ | morgan: right, we'd have to cripple it, or change it | 18:30 |
| morgan | stevemar____: if pki tokens are removed. and document it as doing such | 18:30 |
| stevemar____ | morgan: is making it publish audit_ids an option? | 18:31 |
| breton | i wonder what is the format of its response | 18:31 |
| bknudson | you can already get revocation list with only audit ids | 18:31 |
| stevemar____ | breton: it's a signed something or other | 18:31 |
| breton | is it {'list': <encoded list>} | 18:31 |
| breton | or just <encoded stuff>? | 18:31 |
| stevemar____ | bknudson: oh right, it's a query option right? | 18:31 |
| morgan | stevemar____: totally an option but honestly i think we should get out of this mess of revocation list | 18:31 |
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| stevemar____ | breton: i believe it's just <encoded_stuff> | 18:31 |
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| morgan | published since we're dropping tokens that can be validated offline | 18:32 |
| bknudson | stevemar: yes, you need to pass a query option. | 18:32 |
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| morgan | if you cache the token's validity, cache it and keep that for ttl of the cache | 18:32 |
| morgan | the rev list was specifically for pki tokens | 18:32 |
| stevemar____ | so, for now, breton i think your patch can be merged, we'll have to clean up the lingering bits | 18:32 |
| morgan | uuid tokens just got wedged in | 18:32 |
| breton | stevemar____: can we change the format of the response? | 18:32 |
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| morgan | lol nice topic | 18:33 |
| stevemar____ | breton: nope | 18:33 |
| stevemar____ | hehe | 18:33 |
| breton | ... huh | 18:33 |
| stevemar____ | ignore the topic change :P | 18:33 |
| morgan | mordred, clarkb, fungi: ^ mind zeroing out the topic back to normal (our meeting is not happening because of netsplit, but the topic should be generally fixed) | 18:33 |
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| morgan | * our meeting via meetbot | 18:33 |
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| morgan | we're still doing meering things here | 18:34 |
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| stevemar____ | thanks morgan | 18:34 |
| anteaya | morgan: we really can't until the meeting is over | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | freenode fun | 18:34 |
| stevemar____ | anteaya: there's no meeting being run, we're just using our timeslot | 18:34 |
| morgan | so.. IMO, make the rev list an empty [] when we remove pki | 18:35 |
| anteaya | stevemar____: ah okay sorry | 18:35 |
| anteaya | stevemar____: nice tail | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | morgan ++ | 18:35 |
| stevemar____ | morgan: we can do it in the reverse order too | 18:35 |
| stevemar____ | anteaya: :) | 18:35 |
| morgan | stevemar____: sure | 18:35 |
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| morgan | but i'd just bundle the change into the same <timeframe> | 18:35 |
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| stevemar____ | breton: did you want to do that ? | 18:35 |
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| stevemar____ | morgan: right, all in newton | 18:35 |
| morgan | stevemar__________________________________________________: you should use this nick instead | 18:36 |
| morgan | :P | 18:36 |
| stevemar____ | err i mean ocata | 18:36 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 18:36 |
| breton | stevemar____: yes. But it would mean changing the format of the response | 18:36 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 18:36 |
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| breton | maybe we could hardcode the keys | 18:36 |
| morgan | breton: no. | 18:36 |
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| morgan | do not hard-code keys | 18:36 |
| morgan | leave the options to make it signed and mark them deprecated for removal | 18:36 |
| morgan | but return an empty list always | 18:37 |
| morgan | signed or not | 18:37 |
| breton | there is no option to make it signed | 18:37 |
| breton | it is always signed | 18:37 |
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| morgan | if someone doesn't configure pki it is 500'd | 18:37 |
| breton | yes | 18:37 |
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| stevemar____ | breton: i think in this case, the returned content will be useless anyway | 18:37 |
| bknudson | finally found it : http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/auth/controllers.py#n566 | 18:37 |
| bknudson | the query parameter is audit_id_only | 18:38 |
| morgan | stevemar____: actually, i think we can safely make the api simply return a 400 if pki isn't configured | 18:38 |
| breton | lets always return 400 | 18:38 |
| morgan | stevemar____: or a 403. | 18:38 |
| morgan | since a 500->4XX is a safe change | 18:38 |
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| stevemar____ | yay sane topic | 18:39 |
| stevemar____ | morgan: can you comment on the patch? | 18:39 |
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| amakarov | morgan, /stevemar_+/ | 18:39 |
| stevemar____ | since this meeting isn't logged :P | 18:39 |
| morgan | stevemar____: which patch? | 18:39 |
| stevemar____ | morgan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374479/ | 18:39 |
| morgan | i need a link. | 18:39 |
| morgan | ty | 18:39 |
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| breton | i still don't understand what we decided, but lets figure it out later | 18:40 |
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| morgan | breton: make it return a 403 when pki is not configured | 18:40 |
| morgan | instead of a 500 | 18:40 |
| breton | morgan: what will it return when pki is configured? | 18:40 |
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| morgan | basically it nerfs the api when pki is removed | 18:40 |
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| morgan | same as it does today. | 18:40 |
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| morgan | if you remove pki tokens and pki, it just 403s everytime | 18:41 |
| morgan | since uuid and fernet are live-validated | 18:41 |
| morgan | and otherwise it would 500 | 18:41 |
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| breton | no, it doesn't 403 now | 18:41 |
| morgan | anyone, please step in and tell me this is a bad idea | 18:41 |
| breton | it returnes a signed empty list | 18:41 |
| morgan | breton: it 500s now when pki is not configured | 18:41 |
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| breton | morgan: yes. it returnes a signed empty list. | 18:41 |
| bknudson | so we're changing the behavior so that uuid tokens don't check the revocation list? | 18:41 |
| morgan | so, make that case 403 | 18:41 |
| morgan | bknudson: internally it will | 18:42 |
| morgan | ust not cached | 18:42 |
| morgan | because pki is going away | 18:42 |
| morgan | breton: ok stop. | 18:42 |
| breton | morgan: that will change our existing behaviour. clients don't expect 403. | 18:42 |
| morgan | breton: when you do not configure pki | 18:42 |
| morgan | it will return a 500 | 18:42 |
| morgan | right? | 18:42 |
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| breton | yes | 18:42 |
| morgan | fix to make it do 500->403 is not API breaking | 18:42 |
| breton | i es | 18:43 |
| breton | *yes | 18:43 |
| morgan | 500 -> any other non-internal error is not breaking | 18:43 |
| rodrigods | ++ | 18:43 |
| morgan | so make it return a 403 when pki is not configured | 18:43 |
| morgan | when we remove pki tokens, it will always return a 403 | 18:43 |
| bknudson | we'll need to make sure it doesn't break auth_token middleware to get 403s all the time. | 18:43 |
| morgan | it shouldn't | 18:43 |
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| morgan | 401 would be bad | 18:44 |
| morgan | a 403 should be fine | 18:44 |
| bknudson | shouldn't auth_token stop accepting requests if it can't invalidate tokens? | 18:44 |
| morgan | sortof. | 18:44 |
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| breton | morgan: so it always will return 403, right? | 18:44 |
| morgan | the rev list is special* | 18:44 |
| morgan | breton: long term yes | 18:44 |
| breton | morgan: when pki setup is removed | 18:44 |
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| morgan | if it is going to break things horribly we can keep the options to configure pki for the rev list (pki token options) and return an empty signed list | 18:44 |
| morgan | but the provider will still go away | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | what if someone has their own token provider that relies on the revocation list? | 18:45 |
| bknudson | they need to come to meetings | 18:45 |
| stevemar____ | lbragstad: you're in open waters at that point | 18:45 |
| morgan | if they are relying on the rev list they are a: not validating tokens | 18:45 |
| morgan | or be doing very very weird things | 18:45 |
| morgan | or c: using pki tokens | 18:45 |
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| morgan | if you need hard invalidation, don't cache the validated response | 18:45 |
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| morgan | so here is the breakdown | 18:46 |
| morgan | 1) remove pki token provider | 18:46 |
| morgan | 2) keep pki token options so pki-signed rev list can be generated (deprecated) | 18:46 |
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| morgan | 3) make rev list return 403 if pki is not configured | 18:46 |
| morgan | that should maintain continuity and keep us safe for a couple cycles | 18:47 |
| stevemar____ | morgan: write that in the patch :P | 18:47 |
| breton | ok. | 18:47 |
| morgan | 4) make sure Authtoken middleware doesn't rely on the api going forward | 18:47 |
| morgan | i'll add this as comments shortly to the review | 18:47 |
| stevemar____ | thank you! | 18:47 |
| stevemar____ | lets quickly move to the next topic while we still have time | 18:48 |
| stevemar____ | #topic names in notifications | 18:48 |
| stevemar____ | lbragstad: ktychkova_ ^ | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:48 |
| stevemar____ | sorry for lack of time | 18:48 |
| ktychkova_ | o/ | 18:48 |
| stevemar____ | but i think most people have background on this topic, it's not the first time it's come up | 18:48 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar____ nope - it isn't | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | it boils down to how we want to solve it | 18:49 |
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| lbragstad | do we want to make the notification payload richer | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | or do we want to implement soft deletes | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | soft deletes have been considered low priority for a while now - but if thats the route we want to take we will need to reassess | 18:49 |
| stevemar____ | my vote is for adding to the notification payload | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | since we get this question about once a cycle | 18:50 |
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| stevemar____ | i've only ever seen requests for adding name & domain name/id | 18:50 |
| stevemar____ | not ALL the attributes | 18:50 |
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| bknudson | do cadf notifications typically include names? | 18:50 |
| ktychkova_ | no | 18:50 |
| ktychkova_ | just id | 18:50 |
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| stevemar____ | bknudson: there's a name field IIRC | 18:51 |
| morgan | stevemar____, breton: all commented on the patch | 18:51 |
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| morgan | as much as i hate soft deletes (and the name is terrible too) it is the best option | 18:51 |
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| morgan | because it solves the "recovery" issue | 18:52 |
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| lbragstad | my only concern with making notifications richer is that it's providing a second API | 18:52 |
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| morgan | and adding names to the payloads for notifications is breaking with general behavior | 18:52 |
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| stevemar____ | lbragstad: so my argument to soft deletes is that it doesn't solve the problem ktychkova_ provided | 18:52 |
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| stevemar____ | he wants to listen to the notification and get the name | 18:53 |
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| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/pycadf/tree/pycadf/resource.py#n107 | 18:53 |
| bknudson | ? | 18:53 |
| stevemar____ | with soft deletes, he'll have to listen to the notificaiton, get the id, then get the resouce that was soft-deleted | 18:53 |
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| ktychkova_ | Yes, I want to just listen notifications (*she) | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | stevemar____ right - that was the pattern we wanted when we originally implemented it | 18:54 |
| stevemar____ | ktychkova_: sorry :) | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | I just have concerns about coupling consumer applications to the payload | 18:54 |
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| morgan | regardless of including the data in the payload | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | ktychkova_ you'd be looking to do this for users initially, right? | 18:54 |
| morgan | the softdelete is likely the right plan. | 18:54 |
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| morgan | because it allows for getting the whole data bundle for a resource if needed | 18:55 |
| ktychkova_ | yes, right | 18:55 |
| * morgan can't believe he is arguing for soft deletes... | 18:55 | |
| lbragstad | then a consumer can sift through what they need | 18:55 |
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| lbragstad | morgan i know - me, too | 18:55 |
| stevemar____ | morgan: and what will be the policy for getting soft deletes? | 18:55 |
| morgan | stevemar____: all resources. | 18:55 |
| morgan | oh uh | 18:55 |
| morgan | admin. | 18:55 |
| stevemar____ | so if i call /users/&my_user_id from the payload... | 18:56 |
| stevemar____ | exactly | 18:56 |
| stevemar____ | it doesn't solve the case ktychkova_ is asking for | 18:56 |
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| stevemar____ | it's a few extra fields in the payload | 18:56 |
| morgan | stevemar____: i'm not precluding adding data to the payload as well | 18:56 |
| stevemar____ | lbragstad: you're worried about API, think of the API you'll inherit with soft deletes! | 18:56 |
| morgan | i'm saying soft delete is likelythe right answer in either case | 18:57 |
| morgan | adding or not adding | 18:57 |
| stevemar____ | right, thats what i said at the beginning, we can do both | 18:57 |
| morgan | it could also be possible to do soft delete and domain admin | 18:57 |
| morgan | or ... user in domain | 18:57 |
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| morgan | i mean, policy | 18:57 |
| morgan | right? | 18:57 |
| morgan | so... | 18:57 |
| ktychkova_ | "we can do both" - I like this :) | 18:57 |
| stevemar____ | eh... user_in_domain is not good enough | 18:58 |
| stevemar____ | anyway, 2 minute warning | 18:58 |
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| lbragstad | with soft deletes though - we'd return a user reference in the same format that we do today | 18:58 |
| morgan | and annotated as deleted | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | sure | 18:59 |
| breton | so we're going to have disabled, deleted and really-deleted | 18:59 |
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| lbragstad | anyway, i wanted to get people thinking about this | 19:00 |
| stevemar____ | no one has done any estimates on what it takes to do soft deletes, or any investigative work | 19:00 |
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| breton | lets just treat disabling as real deleting | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | stevemar____ chances are we would try it out on a common resource, like users | 19:00 |
| breton | and deleting as real-deleting | 19:00 |
| stevemar____ | #endmeeting :P | 19:00 |
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| stevemar____ | i have no power | 19:00 |
| anteaya | stevemar____: :) | 19:00 |
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| anteaya | just a long tail | 19:00 |
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| fungi | infra team, assemble! (as best you can manage anyway) | 19:00 |
| stevemar____ | anteaya: i hope you guys have better luck than we did | 19:00 |
| jeblair | o/ | 19:01 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jhesketh | Howdy | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:01 |
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| SotK | o/ | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (I'm on holiday, lurking silentlyish!) | 19:01 |
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| fungi | if this becomes untenable, i'll start a meeting thread on the openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org mailing list with subthreads for each topic in our agenda | 19:01 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | this week's topics proposed by jeblair, therve, dhellmann, zaro, fungi | 19:01 |
| clarkb | ohai I am here too | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 19:02:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #info This is the last week to suggest topics for the cross-project workshop slots in Barcelona | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104579.html Cross Project Summit Sessions Planning ML thread | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions Cross Project Session Proposals pad | 19:03 |
| fungi | #info fungi will be on vacation October 8-16; pleia2 has generously agreed to chair the October 11 meeting instead | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-09-13-19.02.html | 19:04 |
| fungi | fungi Test whether gerrit flush-caches significantly reduces memory utilization in Gerrit's JVM | 19:04 |
| fungi | i tried and it didn't make any noticeable difference either in the javamelody graphs or overall performance | 19:04 |
| clarkb | :/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | (gerrit still descended into a java gc death spiral shortly thereafter) | 19:04 |
| fungi | however, zaro has excellent news on this front! | 19:04 |
| fungi | which we'll cover later in the meeting agenda | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
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| fungi | nothing new this week | 19:05 |
| fungi | though i'm not expecting much else in the way of additions to crop up between now and the summit anyway | 19:05 |
| fungi | unless maybe someone does a cleanup patch to move some to implemented | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Zuul v3 (jeblair) | 19:05 |
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| fungi | jeblair has an update from discussions/work in walldorf and also linked the current tasks | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3 Zuul v3 tasklist | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | howdy! | 19:05 |
| jeblair | in walldorf we talked about what some zuul jobs would actually look like as ansible playbooks | 19:06 |
| fungi | more representative examples than the early mock-ups? | 19:06 |
| jeblair | yeah | 19:06 |
| jeblair | in particulary, we dived deeply into devstack gate | 19:07 |
| jeblair | and all of its uses | 19:07 |
| jeblair | both for running devstack, and other non-devstacky things | 19:07 |
| jeblair | one thing we realized is that we had not planned enough around roles in zuulv3 | 19:07 |
| jeblair | so i think i will write a spec update to try to capture that | 19:07 |
| jeblair | maybe have it ready next week | 19:07 |
| * mordred is also going to document the sample playbook things we whiteboarded | 19:08 | |
| fungi | ooh, excellent | 19:08 |
| jeblair | ^^ ++ | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | and the other thing we realized is that we could start decomposing devstack-gate into ansible roles *today* | 19:08 |
| fungi | that seems like a great way to get a head start on this | 19:08 |
| jeblair | so that will help us get a head start on having some really nice jobs ready for v3 | 19:09 |
| jeblair | yep :) | 19:09 |
| jeblair | and is nicely parallelizable | 19:09 |
| fungi | i mean, we already rely semi-heavily on ansible in d-g now | 19:09 |
| jeblair | so i have an etherpad where i jotted down things that i think people are working on | 19:09 |
| jeblair | linked earlier ^ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3 | 19:09 |
| jeblair | at the bottom of that, we itemized all the roles we can extract from devstack-gate | 19:09 |
| pabelanger | plan to work on the swap role tomorrow | 19:10 |
| jeblair | so if you want to work on those, feel free to put your name next to it, and just go ahead and do it in the devstack-gate repo | 19:10 |
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| fungi | those look like a great breakdown of the reusable/boilerplate bits that aren't necessarily devstack-gate-specific | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | yeah, we figured they would be useful in all kinds of jobs | 19:11 |
| jeblair | and would eventually live outside of the devstack-gate repo | 19:11 |
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| fungi | exactly. i think this is awesome | 19:11 |
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| fungi | modularize and simplify | 19:11 |
| jeblair | (but before zuulv3, we can evolve them inside the d-g repo) | 19:11 |
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| clarkb | probably the biggest piece of that was using composition of roles rather than templates to get many jobs that are similar | 19:11 |
| clarkb | which means we can actually start to chop up d-g into those peices before we zuulv3 | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | (and if you're interested in any of the other areas in that etherpad, check in with me) | 19:12 |
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| fungi | also i realized teh other day, d-g is still not using zuul-cloner yet except for the clone it makes of itself? | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | fungi: yup | 19:12 |
| clarkb | also woo lag | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | i *think* that's about it for zv3 | 19:13 |
| fungi | that's a lot! | 19:13 |
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| fungi | glad to see so much coming out of so few days together | 19:13 |
| jeblair | i'm super excited about the d-g stuff | 19:13 |
| mordred | it was really good to have a day in the room with people | 19:13 |
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| jhesketh | +1 | 19:14 |
| jeblair | yeah, just the thing we needed at just the right time | 19:14 |
| fungi | anybody have any lingering questions for this? | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Docs Publishing via AFS (jeblair) | 19:15 |
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| fungi | jeblair apparently has an update on current status of this effort | 19:15 |
| jeblair | i both have and am soliciting updates :) | 19:15 |
| fungi | hah | 19:15 |
| jeblair | mostly, the week in germany distracted me to the point where i need to regroup on it | 19:15 |
| jeblair | we have an etherpad here: | 19:15 |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/afs-docs | 19:15 |
| fungi | i will admit, i did nothing on this one while people were sprinting | 19:15 |
| jeblair | and i think it's up to date | 19:15 |
| fungi | but i'm curious to hear who did and what | 19:16 |
| jeblair | and from poking this morning, i think the status is that we should have the keytab files in place now, and are ready to start publishing to the afs locations | 19:16 |
| jeblair | we need to update the layout job to allow 'afs' publishers | 19:16 |
| fungi | oh, that's, like, the bulk of it other than the import/migration work | 19:16 |
| jeblair | we need to write the apache vhost defns for files.o.o | 19:16 |
| fungi | so really closing in on this quickly | 19:17 |
| clarkb | do we also need to resync the current cloud sites content? | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I guess we do taht when we cut over? | 19:17 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, but closer to the end | 19:17 |
| jeblair | clarkb: and recall, the current site content is just being used as a backup | 19:17 |
| jeblair | we're going to switch over to entirely newly created content | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | right | 19:17 |
| jeblair | http://files.openstack.org/ exists now | 19:17 |
| fungi | and redirect questions about where content went to the docs team ;) | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | that just browses our afs root | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | fungi: yeah, and then copy things over manually if needed i guess | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | i can write the jjb plugin to handle afs | 19:18 |
| jeblair | anyone want to volunteer for writing the vhosts? | 19:18 |
| fungi | looks like mordred and pabelanger were the other two primary volunteers on this | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | I can do the vhosts | 19:19 |
| mordred | yes! I volunteered and then promptly did nothing | 19:19 |
| fungi | and here's your chance! | 19:19 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think pabelanger and i will have some patches for you to +3 soon :) | 19:19 |
| fungi | so this is great, we're further along on it than i realized | 19:20 |
| fungi | i know AJaeger and the docs team will be thrilled too | 19:20 |
| AJaeger | Yeah! | 19:20 |
| mordred | jeblair: yay! | 19:20 |
| jeblair | yeah, i think the only other thing would be to start preparing patches that add afs publishers... but i think i'd hold off on that right now and wait until we see it succed for infra jobs first | 19:20 |
| jeblair | just in case we find we need to change something about them | 19:20 |
| fungi | definitely agree dogfooding this ourselves like we usually do is a smart way forward | 19:21 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, that patch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377930/ | 19:21 |
| jeblair | it needs the jjb plugin i mentioned in order to land | 19:21 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/377930 | 19:21 |
| jeblair | but i think we'll have it by eod | 19:21 |
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| fungi | #undo | 19:21 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x7f66f46cabd0> | 19:22 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/377930 Publish infra docs to AFS | 19:22 |
| jeblair | assuming my characterization of where we stand is correct, that's eot from me :) | 19:22 |
| fungi | thanks! anything else we need to cover on this? anybody have related questions at this point? | 19:22 |
| fungi | #topic Images mirror in AFS (therve) | 19:23 |
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| fungi | quoting from the agenda: | 19:23 |
| fungi | It'd be useful to have a local mirror of minimal images (but bigger than cirros) to be used in devstack test runs. Heat currently download a Fedora image every run (about 200M), and it proves to be unreliable especially at peak hours. It's also fairly wasteful of network resources. We're not particularly attached to Fedora, though it's relatively small for what we need. | 19:23 |
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| fungi | therve isn't in channel, and mentioned in the agenda he may not be around | 19:24 |
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| fungi | but we've already discussed some of this elsewhere | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | Ya, I it has been asked a few times. | 19:24 |
| jeblair | ooh it's a FAQ | 19:25 |
| fungi | i don't think there's been a lot of disagreement that a mirror volume with (reasonably small) guest images needed by infrequently-to-semifrequently-used jobs makes some sense | 19:25 |
| mordred | compared to the other things we mirror, I don't see it as being any _harder_ | 19:25 |
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| pabelanger | maybe something to try after afsdocs land | 19:26 |
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| fungi | right. i think the missing piece is some framework where we can declare what blobs we want to download/update, and arrange them in afs in a sensible fashion | 19:26 |
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| fungi | i'd imagine a couple dozen line script and a yaml config would just about cover it | 19:27 |
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| mordred | we could also write it in C++ | 19:27 |
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| mordred | but I agree with fungi's suggestion | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | mordred: or ansible? | 19:27 |
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| * fungi thinks ada is the right language for this | 19:27 | |
| fungi | do we want a spec for this? or just someone to step forward with patches? | 19:27 |
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| * fungi would also have accepted lisp | 19:28 | |
| jeblair | i would not mind a super-short spec | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | mostly just to have a place to agree on mechanism and interface | 19:28 |
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| fungi | #agreed Guest images in our AFS mirrors make sense, and should begin with a (brief) spec where we can refine the configuration and automation model | 19:29 |
| jeblair | (but will not stand on principle if someone has patches ready) | 19:29 |
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| fungi | now hopefully therve checks the meeting minutes, or we can point him at them later | 19:29 |
| clarkb | (I have missed the last ~7 minutes) | 19:30 |
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| * Shrews perks up at C++ mention | 19:30 | |
| anteaya | clarkb: welcome back | 19:30 |
| jeblair | clarkb: afs and c++ were discussed | 19:30 |
| fungi | also ada and lisp | 19:30 |
| anteaya | clarkb: agreement on the suggestion, spec desired but patches will win | 19:30 |
| clarkb | C++ for? | 19:30 |
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| fungi | clarkb: a joke | 19:30 |
| clarkb | ah | 19:30 |
| fungi | because if mordred were serious he would have said "rust" | 19:31 |
| jeblair | though... i think c++ is a joke like how we used to use afs as a joke. | 19:31 |
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| fungi | i don't mind writing c++ (or even just straight c99, and would be willing to write k&r c even), though i don't think this is a particularly sane use case for it | 19:32 |
| fungi | anyway, i think we can move on | 19:32 |
| mordred | clarkb: it likely would have been clearer if it was s/afs and c++ were discussed/afs was discussed. mordred said c++/ | 19:32 |
| fungi | #topic Infra support for final release tagging on 6 Oct (dhellmann) | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | mordred: indeed | 19:33 |
| fungi | quoting from the agenda: | 19:33 |
| fungi | It would be helpful to have someone on standby Thurs 6 Oct when we are tagging the final Newton release, just in case something goes wrong during the process. | 19:33 |
| dhellmann | fungi : o/ | 19:33 |
| fungi | dhellmann: count me as around and willing to spend the day focused on this | 19:33 |
| dhellmann | excellent, thanks | 19:33 |
| fungi | though we may want someone from apac/emea around as well to provide support before i wake up? | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | that's a normal workday for me | 19:33 |
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| dhellmann | well, we did it early last time because I was in europe, but this time I think we'll probably go back to doing it ~14:00 UTC | 19:34 |
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| fungi | yeah, i only occasionally take thursdays off to go drinking | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | I'm happy to lend a hand if needed | 19:34 |
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| mordred | I will be in Berlin - but it seems there will be other humans working and not in Berlin | 19:34 |
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| anteaya | that is the first day of your vacation too fungi according to your earlier announcement | 19:34 |
| clarkb | I will be around | 19:34 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: i expect we'll have a mostly full compliment of infra-root and other team members on hand | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | the process will be me submitting a patch to tag finals for all of the milestone projects, and then watching while the bots do their thing | 19:34 |
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| dhellmann | good, I appreciate that | 19:35 |
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| fungi | anteaya: nope, announcement said i wasn't leaving until the 8th, and i mostly trust it | 19:35 |
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| jhesketh | I'm technically on leave but happy to watch for pings/be on pager duty for apac | 19:35 |
| dhellmann | I sort of expected so, but I thought it wise and polite to officially coordinate | 19:35 |
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| anteaya | fungi: ah so you are here on the 8th, gone the 9th? | 19:36 |
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| anteaya | dhellmann: thank you | 19:36 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: also i'll make sure we're well iced over for potentially disruptive changes late in the week | 19:36 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : oh, that would be good, too | 19:36 |
| fungi | anteaya: i said "on vacation October 8-16" | 19:36 |
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| fungi | release day is october 6 | 19:37 |
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| anteaya | ah sorry thought we were discussing the 8th, my confusion | 19:37 |
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| dhellmann | I want to say last cycle it took ~2 hrs, though maybe a little more. | 19:37 |
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| fungi | well, i plan to expect you to need the entire day, just in case | 19:38 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, that's a good plan | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | and that's all I had, unless anyone has questions? | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | (and that way, if we finish early, nothing else to do but start drinking) | 19:38 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair : I'm supposed to wait until we're done? | 19:39 |
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| fungi | no questions from me, just good luck with the release, and if it catches on fire i hope it's not because of anything _i_ built! ;) | 19:39 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: and take a picture! (see ttx precedent) | 19:39 |
| fungi | indeed, table covered in diagrams and checklists and wine | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | fwiw e-r is happy again so we can use that to track last minute things | 19:39 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yay | 19:39 |
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| fungi | let's try and keep on top of diagnostic tools heading into release week, yes | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : https://doughellmann.com/blog/2016/04/07/openstack-mitaka-release-complete/ | 19:40 |
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| fungi | they're our best early warning signs of possible hiccups | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: welp, can't top that. | 19:40 |
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| dhellmann | I've been working all cycle on my costume... | 19:40 |
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| anteaya | that's a visual | 19:41 |
| fungi | a dancing martini shaker? | 19:41 |
| fungi | i'm not sure i can un-see this now | 19:41 |
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| dhellmann | heh | 19:41 |
| fungi | okay, ~20 minutes left for two topics | 19:41 |
| fungi | thanks dhellmann! | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 19:42 |
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| fungi | #topic Potential Jgit Performance Fix (zaro) | 19:42 |
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| fungi | #link https://groups.google.com/d/msg/repo-discuss/oj3h3JdioGs/_pNKjlUGBAAJ our saviors | 19:42 |
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| zaro | so i created a custom gerrit 2.11 build with custom jgit fix | 19:42 |
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| zaro | i think we should give that a try. | 19:42 |
| fungi | "custom jgit fix" meaning backporting new jgit to gerrit 2.11? | 19:42 |
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| zaro | yes, just a few changes. | 19:43 |
| fungi | and you have it running on review-dev right now, correct? | 19:43 |
| zaro | yes | 19:43 |
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| fungi | this is supposedly the version of jgit shipping in current gerrit 2.13 builds? | 19:43 |
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| zaro | no, not exactly. | 19:44 |
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| zaro | the one with 2.13 has more than the receipe on the mailing list | 19:44 |
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| fungi | oh, i see | 19:44 |
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| zaro | the custom jgit i built only contains cherry-picks specified in the mail on top of jgit 4.0.x | 19:45 |
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| fungi | so the recipe from the discussion is what you ported to 2.11, rather than pulling down jgit 4.4.1 | 19:45 |
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| zaro | jgit with 2.13 is jgit ver 4.4.x | 19:45 |
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| fungi | is this preferable over switching to 4.4.1? | 19:46 |
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| zaro | yes, you are correct. | 19:46 |
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| zaro | yes, it was what was recommended. less risky than using jgit 4.4.x with gerrit 2.11 | 19:47 |
| fungi | anyway, i guess what i wanted to get a feel for is whether we should shoot for restarting gerrit with patched/updated jgit in the next few days, before we get into release week, or wait until after newton is done (and i'm on vacation)? | 19:47 |
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| fungi | i didn't feel comfortable trying it while mostly on my own last week and unable to get a lot of input from the team | 19:48 |
| anteaya | how much time do we have after you are back from vacation before people start flying to summit? | 19:48 |
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| fungi | i think i'm home something like 4 days before i have to travel to barcelona | 19:48 |
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| anteaya | do we want to try it in that window? or too close to summit? | 19:49 |
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| clarkb | I would rather not do it nowish with the release happening and the other things we are juggling seems like it would be a lot to get in order | 19:49 |
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| fungi | my calendar says i'm home 5 days (17th through 21st) | 19:49 |
| anteaya | there is also oct 7 | 19:49 |
| anteaya | the day after release and the day before you vacation | 19:49 |
| fungi | okay, so suggestion is to keep restarting gerrit when gc load gets high, at least until after release day | 19:50 |
| anteaya | +1 don't change before release | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | also are we using the bitmapped indexes like spearce suggests? | 19:50 |
| fungi | i mean, we can also consider a gerrit upgrade to 2.13 immediately after the summit | 19:51 |
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| zaro | i think there's things to consider before jumping to 2.13 | 19:51 |
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| anteaya | is 2.13 released and in production somewhere? | 19:51 |
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| fungi | zaro: oh, as far as caveats that might cause us to want to stick with 2.11 or maybe only upgrade to 2.12? | 19:51 |
| fungi | anteaya: there's even a 2.13.1 release now | 19:52 |
| anteaya | wow | 19:52 |
| * anteaya is behind the times | 19:52 | |
| zaro | initial release was not good, already had a few patched releases i think. so we might want to wait a little | 19:52 |
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| fungi | well, "immediately after the summit" is still more than a month away | 19:53 |
| zaro | also i think we may need to do some prep stuff. like get a zuul-dev in place so we can test gerrit->zuul->nodepool testing | 19:53 |
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| fungi | anyway, i think we've at least established we'll push this jgit update test off a couple weeks or more, so good enough for today | 19:53 |
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| fungi | #agreed Wait until after Newton release day to try updating Jgit on review.openstack.org | 19:54 |
| fungi | thanks for your work on this, zaro! | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | thanks zaro | 19:54 |
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| fungi | #topic Ocata Summit Planning (fungi) | 19:54 |
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| fungi | just an update, i've got our planning pad updated with the now or soon-to-be finalized schedule | 19:55 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ocata-summit-planning Ocata Summit Planning pad | 19:55 |
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| fungi | we're short on time during today's meeting, but try and make sure to capture any additional session topic ideas you've had in there | 19:56 |
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| fungi | especially stuff that might have come up in walldorf | 19:56 |
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| fungi | also, note that most of our workroom slots cover friday morning, and are the same room as friday afternoon's sprint | 19:56 |
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| fungi | so we have the option of turning up to 4 workroom slots into additional sprint time, if we want to start the sprint earlier in the day | 19:57 |
| fungi | i'll go ahead and switch to open discussion for the next couple minutes, but we can continue talking about summit sessions during that time if people want | 19:57 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:57 |
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| anteaya | I don't know as it is realistic to expect ptls from nova neutron glance and cinder to all be able to be in the same room at summit | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | it is a timing issue | 19:59 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: it isn't, but if you can get a sampling I think that would be good and possible | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | I wrote about our thing: http://princessleia.com/journal/2016/09/openstack-qainfrastructure-meetup-in-walldorf/ | 19:59 |
| russellb | cross project session time is good for that. | 19:59 |
| anteaya | sure if you can | 19:59 |
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| fungi | yea, agree with russellb, cross-project sessions for that sort of thing. see announcement from earlier for proposing those | 19:59 |
| fungi | and we' | 20:00 |
| anteaya | russellb: would a cross project session dedicated to debugging infra cloud be accepted? | 20:00 |
| fungi | we're out of time | 20:00 |
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| russellb | i don't know, i'm not organizing it | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| ttx | anteaya: sounds like fun, why not | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 20:00:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-09-27-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-09-27-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-09-27-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| anteaya | ttx: okay great | 20:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:00 |
| dtroyer_zz | o/ | 20:00 |
| * edleafe hides under a table | 20:01 | |
| * dtroyer_zz really not _zz | 20:01 | |
| flaper87 | dtroyer_zz: sleep walking/talking ? | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:01 |
| ttx | annegentle, dims, dhellmann, johnthetubaguy, mtreinish, thingee, mordred, russellb: around ? | 20:01 |
| fungi | tc: beware the freenode ddos. meetbot could get ornery again | 20:01 |
| dims | o/ | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 20:01 |
| annegentle | here | 20:01 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 27 20:01:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
| russellb | hi | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
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| ttx | (remember to use #info #idea and #link liberally to make for a more readable summary) | 20:01 |
| ttx | #topic PTL election results | 20:01 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
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| mtreinish | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | We have a number of things to merge to officialize recent PTL election round | 20:02 |
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| ttx | * Update projects.yaml with results of the PTL elections (https://review.openstack.org/376059) | 20:02 |
| ttx | This one officializes the results. Roland Hochmuth's email is likely wrong though | 20:02 |
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| flaper87 | I guess this needs a new PS | 20:03 |
| ttx | I'd like to preserve the election officials +1 on this one so we can merge it now, so... maybe fix Roland's email in a subsequent patch ? | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | I can prepare a follow-up to revert that part of the change if we want to approve this one | 20:03 |
| sdague | there were some other questions in there from dhellmann | 20:03 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: that'd be great | 20:03 |
| sdague | it did seem like a large amount of email changes for people | 20:03 |
| sdague | anyone know the source of that? | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | tonyb_: ^ | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | ? | 20:03 |
| ttx | Roland's email change is probably wrong, and Kirill said he would rather have his other address listed | 20:03 |
| annegentle | I'm fine with merging then fixing email addresses. | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | I assumed they were being made consistent with the gerrit emails for the nominations | 20:03 |
| ttx | I asked tonyb to do a new PS but he wasn't awake | 20:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, merge then fix seems OK | 20:04 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: thx for preparing a subsequent patch | 20:04 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | doing a new PS during the meeting and merging at the end should be fine | 20:04 |
| annegentle | tonyb might still be asleep :) | 20:04 |
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| ttx | OK, approving now then | 20:05 |
| mtreinish | annegentle: tonyb sleeps? That's news to me :) | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/378007 | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/378007 | 20:05 |
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| flaper87 | oh, I misread dhellmann's comment. He said he'd work on a follow-up patch, not on a follow-up PS | 20:05 |
| annegentle | mtreinish lightly I'm sure :) | 20:05 |
| ttx | let's quick-review dhellmann's followup and merge it as typo fix | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | done | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | I only fixed 2 of them that were confirmed wrong. Should I reset the others, too? | 20:06 |
| ttx | dhellmann: no, the other email address changes have all been +1ed | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | ok | 20:06 |
| ttx | by their owners | 20:06 |
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| ttx | ok typo fix approved too | 20:07 |
| ttx | next up | 20:07 |
| ttx | * Confirm Piet Kruithof as PTL for UX (no patch needed) | 20:07 |
| ttx | Following our discussion from last week, we should officialize Piet's PTLship now | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:07 |
| ttx | No change needed since he was already there | 20:07 |
| edleafe | heh - "officialize" | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | so, voice vote? | 20:07 |
| ttx | but would like to log it in meeting logs | 20:07 |
| ttx | yes, let's do vote | 20:08 |
| * mordred thinks Piet is neat | 20:08 | |
| dtroyer_zz | ++ | 20:08 |
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| ttx | #startvote Appoint Piet Kruithof as UX PTL for Ocata? yes, no, abstain | 20:08 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Appoint Piet Kruithof as UX PTL for Ocata? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 20:08 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | #vote yes | 20:08 |
| ttx | #vote yes | 20:08 |
| sdague | #vote yes | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 20:08 |
| mtreinish | #vote yes | 20:08 |
| dtroyer_zz | #vote yes | 20:08 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 20:08 |
| dims | #vote yes | 20:08 |
| mestery | #vote yes | 20:08 |
| ttx | 30 seconds left... feels like Grizzly all over again | 20:09 |
| thingee | #vote yes | 20:09 |
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| mordred | #vote yes | 20:09 |
| ttx | #endvote | 20:09 |
| openstack | Voted on "Appoint Piet Kruithof as UX PTL for Ocata?" Results are | 20:09 |
| openstack | yes (11): ttx, mestery, mtreinish, dtroyer_zz, thingee, russellb, sdague, mordred, dims, dhellmann, flaper87 | 20:09 |
| ttx | * Remove Astara from governance (https://review.openstack.org/376609) | 20:09 |
| mordred | ttx: that takes me back to back in the day for sure | 20:10 |
| ttx | This patch removes Astara from governance, got its previous PTLs +1s | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | lgtm | 20:10 |
| ttx | anteaya raised that the file is badly named, since those are not necessarily all retired projects | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | most of the core contributors, too, it looks like | 20:10 |
| ttx | but then I can't remember why we list those in a file | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | do the election tools look at that file? | 20:10 |
| ttx | I think it was something about keeping projects for ATC elections for the time they were in | 20:11 |
| ttx | like if you removed a project just before elections | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | I thought it had something to do with ensuring that we don't invalidate electorate rolls | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | right | 20:11 |
| fungi | i think the election tools don't _yet_ look at that file and should | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | ah | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | and to also keep track of "removed" projects, I believe | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | sure, there's git but | 20:11 |
| annegentle | I think it's good to track for docs to know. | 20:11 |
| annegentle | and our future selves not to have to grep git logs? | 20:12 |
| dims | does not have dates etc | 20:12 |
| ttx | anyway, I'd rather merge that one so we record the decision there, and merge the file rename afterwards. Lets us keep the Astara ex-PTLs vote in the review | 20:12 |
| fungi | worth noting, we've also had official projects retire repos, which mighth should have gone into something similar | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | dims : good point | 20:12 |
| annegentle | fungi ah, yeah probably | 20:12 |
| fungi | as there were recent contributors to, e.g., one that fuel retried and dropped from their deliverables list recently who hadn't contributed to other official repos | 20:12 |
| fungi | s/retried/retired/ | 20:12 |
| ttx | OK, we have the votes to pass that one, objections ? | 20:13 |
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| dims | no objections | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | let's take it and figure out what we need to do with the election tools before we change the filename | 20:13 |
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| dims | +1 dhellmann | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:13 |
| ttx | yep | 20:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 20:13 |
| thingee | yes | 20:13 |
| ttx | approved | 20:13 |
| ttx | NB: As a side-effect I reassigned the Astara design summit slot to another project | 20:13 |
| ttx | (Storlets) | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | so they don't have any sessions? | 20:13 |
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| ttx | If someone there asks me some I could make that happen | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | iiuc, they were hoping to use time at the summit to coordinate the hand-off | 20:14 |
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| dhellmann | markmcclain or ryanpetrello would know | 20:14 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ok, we'll take that offline | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:14 |
| ttx | * Decide future of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams | 20:14 |
| ttx | So we had a thread | 20:14 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104170.html | 20:15 |
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| ttx | For Security, the consensus on the thread seems to be that we should keep the team | 20:15 |
| ttx | I think the crisis uncovered issues, but that the team is committed to fixing them | 20:15 |
| dims | ttx : i pinged the openstack-salt folks | 20:15 |
| ttx | dims: one at a time | 20:15 |
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| dhellmann | I also joined the security team at their meeting last week | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-09-22-17.00.log.html | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | and yes, I agree with ttx's assessment | 20:15 |
| sdague | it feels like the security team are adjusting to be more aligned | 20:15 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:16 |
| thingee | to note that this is the second time the security team has been leaderless at the time of election. | 20:16 |
| * fungi is relieved not to need to decide where the vmt moves next | 20:16 | |
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| mordred | fungi: I've got room in my backyard maybe | 20:16 |
| thingee | but happy to see people are interested in helping the security team | 20:16 |
| dims | fungi :) | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | this sounds good to me | 20:16 |
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| dhellmann | thingee : that's true. there were apparently some extenuating personal circumstances, combined with confusion, this time. | 20:16 |
| anteaya | thingee: good to raise that point | 20:17 |
| sdague | fungi: honestly, making vmt a workgroup of the TC might be more appropriate anyway | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | Glad to see the team moving forward. Hopefully this won't happen in the future | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | ttx: do we need to formally vote on having hyakuhei stay on as ptl, like we did with Piet? | 20:17 |
| ttx | yes, making VMT separate (to better reflect how the team works) can be done separately | 20:17 |
| fungi | sdague: i'm open to discussing that with the other vmt members | 20:17 |
| anteaya | does the tc have workgroups or committees? | 20:17 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes | 20:17 |
| mtreinish | sdague: wasn't a separate thing before? I thought we combined them not that long ago | 20:17 |
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| ttx | anteaya: not really | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : it used to be part of the release team | 20:17 |
| mtreinish | ah, ok | 20:17 |
| anteaya | ttx: I didn't think so | 20:17 |
| mtreinish | that;s what I was thinking of | 20:17 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: we got evicted ;) | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | anything we can't automate we're spinning out into its own team ;-) | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | ttx: anteaya we've had in the past. Like the PTG "team". More like a sprint/temporary team, though. | 20:18 |
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| ttx | #startvote Keep Security team and appoint Rob Clark as PTL for Ocata? yes, no, abstain | 20:18 |
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| openstack | Begin voting on: Keep Security team and appoint Rob Clark as PTL for Ocata? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 20:18 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:18 |
| ttx | flaper87: yes, more like subsets of members :) | 20:18 |
| anteaya | I don't recall a PTG team | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | #vote yes | 20:18 |
| dtroyer_zz | #vote yes | 20:18 |
| dims | #vote yes | 20:18 |
| sdague | #vote yes | 20:18 |
| ttx | anteaya: project team guide #acronymoverload | 20:18 |
| mtreinish | #vote yes | 20:18 |
| ttx | #vote yes | 20:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | #vote yes | 20:18 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 20:19 |
| anteaya | ttx: oh, okay thanks | 20:19 |
| ttx | 30 more seconds | 20:19 |
| mestery | #vote yes | 20:19 |
| ttx | #endvote | 20:19 |
| openstack | Voted on "Keep Security team and appoint Rob Clark as PTL for Ocata?" Results are | 20:19 |
| openstack | yes (10): ttx, mestery, mtreinish, dtroyer_zz, russellb, sdague, dims, dhellmann, flaper87, johnthetubaguy | 20:19 |
| ttx | OK, Salt now | 20:20 |
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| ttx | dims: could you give us an update there ? | 20:20 |
| annegentle | heh sorry I keep missing the vote | 20:20 |
| annegentle | I will blame my cats | 20:20 |
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| ttx | damn cats | 20:20 |
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| dhellmann | cats are definitely anti-democratic | 20:21 |
| mordred | annegentle: I also blame your cats | 20:21 |
| dims | talked to a few openstack-salt folks | 20:21 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377906/ | 20:21 |
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| mtreinish | annegentle: heh, well it's one less yes than before so you're not alone :) | 20:21 |
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| annegentle | they are needy and all | 20:21 |
| dims | looks like they are not sure what they want to to | 20:21 |
| dims | to do | 20:21 |
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| ttx | On one hand they acknowledged the issues, but there was also a feeling that community alignment was secondary to the "usefulness" of the project | 20:21 |
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| ttx | then +1ed the removal from governance | 20:21 |
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| dims | several folks already chimed in on the review | 20:22 |
| annegentle | dims nice work then | 20:22 |
| annegentle | there | 20:22 |
| anteaya | they somehow think they have to move to github | 20:22 |
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| dims | i have been guiding them that it's ok to leave repos here if they wish | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | anteaya : I think that was cleared up in the last comment | 20:22 |
| anteaya | dims: do they know that being removed from governance means they can continue to use all our services | 20:22 |
| sdague | dims: looks like a plan. | 20:22 |
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| anteaya | dhellmann: okay | 20:22 |
| dims | anteaya : yes, i made it clear | 20:22 |
| * mordred would be happy to visit them in prague to clear things up | 20:22 | |
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| anteaya | dims: great thank you | 20:23 |
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| ttx | mordred: sounds like a good idea | 20:23 |
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| sdague | for what it's worth, that confuses a bunch of people. I think I had at least 2 conversations in NYC having to explain that to folks. I'm not sure how we make it more clear. | 20:23 |
| dims | mordred : +1 if you can catch some of the higher ups, that would help too i think | 20:23 |
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| dims | sdague : true | 20:23 |
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| dhellmann | sdague : add the feature to gerrit to make renaming a repo easier so we can use a separate namespace again? | 20:24 |
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| anteaya | well renaming the file to removed from goverance instead of retired should help a bit | 20:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: that does seem to surprise everyone | 20:24 |
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| ttx | sdague: it's something we lost when we removed stackforge branding. "Unofficial" doesn't have the same effect | 20:24 |
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| dims | mordred : ttx : i think post-acquisition they are changing focus/strategy too | 20:24 |
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| annegentle | more docs? Not sure where though. | 20:24 |
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| ttx | dims: yes, I gathered that much from change of tone | 20:24 |
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| mordred | dims: yah, I could certainly see that | 20:24 |
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| flaper87 | sdague: fwiw, I've had that conversation many times too. I don't know how to make it better as of now, though | 20:24 |
| dims | i am sad, but can't help it | 20:24 |
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| anteaya | dims: you did a good job communicating | 20:25 |
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| anteaya | dims: thank you | 20:25 |
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| dims | thanks anteaya | 20:25 |
| ttx | Looks like they should be removed while they reassess their situation | 20:25 |
| fungi | i too am struggling to figure out how we make a clearer message about the lack of relationship between being an official team and being able to host in our infrastructure/ci | 20:25 |
| dims | ttx : yes | 20:25 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377906/ | 20:25 |
| russellb | it's a huge issue, i hear it all the time | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | oh, do we want this patch to be updated to move them to the retired file? | 20:26 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 20:26 |
| russellb | it really confuses people trying to figure out what is openstack | 20:26 |
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| fungi | russellb: because they should be asking "who" rather than "what" maybe? | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: good catch, I think we do | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | dims: ^ | 20:26 |
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| russellb | fungi: i don't thing consumers care about who all that much | 20:26 |
| ttx | ah, yes | 20:26 |
| dims | anteaya already alerted me to that, yes, i can fix this one up when the astara one merges based on what we decide there | 20:27 |
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| jbryce | fungi: and we don’t really get to tell people which questions they should ask…they just ask the questions they have = ) | 20:27 |
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| russellb | i tend to agree with the argument that all of this primarily benefits the dev community, and not everyone else | 20:27 |
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| fungi | jbryce: sure, but we can explain that some questions are based on false assumptions | 20:27 |
| ttx | dims: I'd rather move it to the retired file and then rename the file | 20:27 |
| russellb | our job got easier, everyone else got more confused | 20:27 |
| dims | damn the netsplit is killing me | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | dims : if you want to just add it in a follow-up, we'll retain the existing votes from the team | 20:27 |
| jbryce | russellb: +100 | 20:27 |
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| dhellmann | dims : if you want to just add it in a follow-up, we'll retain the existing votes from the team | 20:27 |
| dims | dhellmann : sounds good | 20:27 |
| mestery | jbryce russellb: +1 | 20:27 |
| russellb | just some final ranting before i drop off the TC, i guess.. | 20:27 |
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| ttx | ok, let's merge that one and then move | 20:28 |
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| ttx | russellb: ow no! | 20:28 |
| ttx | OK approved | 20:28 |
| ttx | dims: if you submit the other one we can quick-merge it | 20:28 |
| ttx | Let's move on to next topic | 20:28 |
| dims | ttx : ack after this meeting | 20:28 |
| ttx | #topic Tag neutron-lib as tc-approved-release | 20:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tag neutron-lib as tc-approved-release (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:28 | |
| * markvoelker lurks in case there are questions on this one, but sees an awful lot of RC+1's already... | 20:28 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/371777 | 20:29 |
| ttx | I think this one if a no-brainer, since it's more the result of code split than anything new. | 20:29 |
| ttx | But yes, interesting precedent to set | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we should have done this when the new repo was added, really | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | markvoelker: thanks for clarifying things there | 20:29 |
| russellb | yep | 20:29 |
| markvoelker | flaper87: sure thing | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | ttx: fwiw, I still think there is still some confusion around the purpose of that tag | 20:29 |
| ttx | any last-minute comment before we approve ? | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | we should look at glance_store, ironic-lib, etc. too | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | I'm not sure how to clean it up though | 20:29 |
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| markvoelker | dhellmann: glance_store is actually being looked at right now as a matter of fact | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | good | 20:30 |
| sdague | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374027/ | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | markvoelker: great | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | markvoelker : thanks for cleaning this up :-) | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | mtreinish: sdage has a patch that should help | 20:30 |
| ttx | mtreinish: we should do a "5 top myths about the TC" lightning talk | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | ttx: lol | 20:30 |
| fungi | sort of wondering if that interpretation also makes most of oslo tc-approved-release | 20:30 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: yep that would do it :) | 20:30 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh, although there might also be confusion about what defcore means, but that's something else | 20:31 |
| smcginnis | ttx: That's actually not a bad idea. ;) | 20:31 |
| ttx | ok, approving now based on existing votes | 20:31 |
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| sdague | fungi: maybe, that rabbit hole seems to go a long way. I think the current process of defcore telling us what they need to be effective should be the model | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | ttx: go go go | 20:31 |
| ttx | but yes, that raises questions for Oslo, ironic-lib or glance_store | 20:31 |
| mtreinish | ttx: heh, 1 myth per minute :) | 20:31 |
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| fungi | sdague: just seems like neutron-lib is not useful outside neutron and so listing it as part of tc-approved-release becomes redundant. but eh, more important battles to be fought | 20:32 |
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| ttx | OK, next topic... | 20:32 |
| ttx | #topic Write down OpenStack principles | 20:32 |
| sdague | ttx: sure, but I think our process here works. Because markvoelker and team can make the calls about what they think are needed to enforce the TM | 20:32 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/357260 | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | fungi : I think the point is that the library does (or will) implement capabilities expressed through the API, and we want our implementation used | 20:32 |
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| dhellmann | which makes it less likely that oslo is a good candidate to be added | 20:32 |
| ttx | So I think this reached a level where it's simpler to discuss future alterations as subsequent changes | 20:32 |
| * flaper87 liked jroll's comment | 20:33 | |
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| ttx | rather than wait forever for an hypothetical perfect version | 20:33 |
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| flaper87 | can we have stars/favs/hearts on gerrit ? #halfjoke | 20:33 |
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| ttx | Not saying the remaining comments do not have value, but I think it will be easier to discuss them on their own merits (and together with proposed wording changes) | 20:33 |
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| ttx | The change has majority support now, so I'll approve it unless someone objects | 20:33 |
| * flaper87 agrees | 20:33 | |
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| edleafe | "Perfection is the enemy of the good" | 20:33 |
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| flaper87 | no objections here. I'd love to see some of these principles to be improved individually | 20:33 |
| mordred | flaper87: ++ | 20:34 |
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| ttx | well, I'm a perfectionist, but also a pragmatist | 20:34 |
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| dims | flaper87 : agree | 20:34 |
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| * flaper87 will rebase his "good fatih" patch as soon as this one lands | 20:34 | |
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| ttx | Thanks to mordred for writing the initial version, even if I ended up watering it down quite a bit | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | we can have that convo later too | 20:35 |
| flaper87 | thanks mordred and thanks ttx for addressing comments | 20:35 |
| ttx | alright, it's in | 20:35 |
| mordred | thanks to everyone. I think, as dtroyer_zz says in one of the comments, I'm quite excited to see what comes next | 20:35 |
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| anteaya | ttx: thank you for all your hard work on this | 20:35 |
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| thingee | ++ | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ++ | 20:36 |
| jroll | +1 | 20:36 |
| dims | thanks ttx | 20:36 |
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| ttx | Thanks for the support everyone! | 20:36 |
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| ttx | and... moving on before flaper87 reaches me | 20:36 |
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| ttx | #topic Create a project tag for zero-downtime upgrades | 20:36 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/372686 | 20:37 |
| ttx | dolphm: around ? | 20:37 |
| russellb | similar to other upgrade tags, this stuff is likely backend dependent, and we don't have good ways of capturing that | 20:37 |
| russellb | i don't have a solution necessarily, but just a note | 20:37 |
| ttx | I think it's a great idea to raise the bar here... which projects would be expected to pass that ? | 20:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its mostly API based projects | 20:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I know OSIC is trying to help with getting more projects to zero downtime | 20:38 |
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| jroll | I believe dolphm is mostly out today, not sure if he'll make it here | 20:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think keystone is almost there | 20:38 |
| ttx | as a few noted in the comments already, we'll need some form of testing to reduce the risk of regression in that space | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | I was curious about which projects would have this, too | 20:38 |
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| ttx | I suspect keystone would work on it | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | the test job implementation will be interesting | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | Glance likely | 20:38 |
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| sdague | yeh, my biggest concern is that we have some reasonable validation here before we assert anything | 20:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the current work is around testing old and new APIs at the same time | 20:38 |
| devananda | ironic is working towards it as well | 20:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats a fair point, we are premature on that front | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | yeah, moving this forward without a good way to validate it won't add much value | 20:39 |
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| ttx | sdague: beyond validation, I'm concerned about regressing once you have it | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | I think you can build on grenade for the testing. | 20:39 |
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| notmyname | swift would pass, depending on the "control plane" wording | 20:39 |
| sdague | ttx: meaning? | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | just have to make it multinode | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I meant validation as a way to avoid regression | 20:39 |
| mtreinish | SpamapS: we run grenade multinode already | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | and upgrade one node, test, upgrade the other, test. | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | test it and watch for failures | 20:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, I know we are thinking about grenade testing old and new API nodes living side be side | 20:39 |
| jroll | devananda: ironic is working toward rolling upgrades, not zero-downtime, but that will be close and next :) | 20:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least thats where I was thinking we would be going to validate zero downtime, in some sense | 20:39 |
| jroll | just to be clear | 20:39 |
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| ttx | sdague: I think we could manually test when the tag is asserted, but it needs to be in the gate to avoid regressions | 20:40 |
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| mtreinish | SpamapS: wouldn't that be rolling upgrade, not zero downtime? | 20:40 |
| sdague | ttx: oh, sorry, when I mean validation I mean something that's running all the time validating | 20:40 |
| sdague | agreed | 20:40 |
| ttx | So I fear that the tag is the easiest part of this :) | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'd like to see a requirement that the job already exist before the tag is added | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: honestly, we should test this in gate, to some extent | 20:40 |
| fungi | jroll: how would you characterize rolling upgrades, if not some of your ironic nodes are upgraded and others aren't? | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | mtreinish: Yes, but rolling is a precursor to 0-dt isn't it? | 20:40 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: we are in violent agreement | 20:40 |
| sdague | ttx: right, the tag seems premature in that regard | 20:40 |
| devananda | jroll: right - our path to no-downtime starts with rolling. but that's the goal AIUI. | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | SpamapS: not always, depends on your architecture really | 20:41 |
| ttx | sdague: maybe they want to use the tag as the carrot to motivate people to work on that ? | 20:41 |
| sdague | lets get a CI model for testing this, especially as the techniques currently being proposed are database triggers | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | ttx: johnthetubaguy violence is not good :D | 20:41 |
| sdague | which put logic in a place we don't really have test coverage | 20:41 |
| ttx | but all that said, I think it's a nice target to shoot at | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | agreed | 20:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | so part of this is making clear rolling upgrades includes API downtime | 20:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | that was causing some confusion in internal discussions | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | I guess I never really considered a scenario where rolling upgrades with downtime is a desired outcome of development. | 20:42 |
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| fungi | johnthetubaguy: thanks, that's what i was missing i think | 20:42 |
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| ttx | Yeah, I'll admit I missed that part too (API downtime in rolling upgrades) | 20:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | SpamapS: short downtime is a heaps better than massive long downtime, thats where we were coming form before I believe | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | But yeah, in that case, one needs to have a monitoring system get involved to verify uptime. | 20:42 |
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| SpamapS | johnthetubaguy: ack, just hadn't considered it. | 20:43 |
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| SpamapS | Is there a team that is chiefly responsible for writing and maintaining tests that validate tags? | 20:43 |
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| fungi | monitoring systems based on polling won't tell you that with any reliability | 20:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think the gate verification could just be mixed API nodes working together, thats the bit that would break | 20:43 |
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| ttx | OK, so... do we want to wait until we have some plan around testing before we approve this tag ? | 20:43 |
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| sdague | and, realize, there is still individual service server downtime in this model | 20:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: that seems a good summary | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | like, does QA take up that charge or does the TC just evaluate per-project? | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: yes, let's wait for a more detailed plan | 20:43 |
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| sdague | but it depends on the idea of having multiple API servers in a load balancer | 20:43 |
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| thingee | ++ | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yup | 20:43 |
| * SpamapS apologizes for being a little uneducated on the tags system | 20:43 | |
| dhellmann | SpamapS : good question | 20:44 |
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| ttx | #info That's a great idea, but we need to nail down testing before we approve the tag | 20:44 |
| russellb | each tag has a section that describes how it's applied | 20:44 |
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| russellb | and who is responsible | 20:44 |
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| sdague | so you are really running mixed API server versions in a load balancer against the same database | 20:44 |
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| russellb | or is supposed to.. | 20:44 |
| fungi | i think it's on the shoulders of the projects who want to apply this tag to their deliverables to work out the testing for it | 20:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, there is a dependency on a load balancer, which I am OK with, but thats non obvious in the tag's current form | 20:44 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : right, I interpreted SpamapS' question as how do we know that has been done correctly? | 20:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | fungi: +1, I guess it would be good to have one project that feels like they have done it, as a starting point | 20:45 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, that should probably in there, that also informs the model for testing | 20:45 |
| fungi | dhellmann: oh, thanks | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | fungi: right, as long as they can explain how their gate verifies it to those who apply the tags (presumably the TC), that would seem like the most distributed way to handle it. | 20:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah | 20:45 |
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| fungi | right, whether that's add haproxy in devstack multi-node or what | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | SpamapS: dhellmann I think we've done it by linking infra/gate reviews so far | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | and by manually checking tests are in place | 20:45 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87 : that works | 20:45 |
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| sdague | because, honestly, I think the testing for this might be entirely orthoginal to the other upgrade testing we do, as it will be easier to test/debug ha-proxy - mixed API nodes for many things without the rest of the infrastructure | 20:46 |
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| SpamapS | Sounds like the answer is that the TC does participate actively in the validation initially. | 20:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +100 | 20:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am not sure ha proxy is "good enough yet", I should really look into that | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | SpamapS: yeah | 20:46 |
| ttx | ok, so we seem to have a way forward there | 20:46 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: yeah, that makes sense | 20:47 |
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| flaper87 | SpamapS: but no actual tests are run manually. Just validate the tests are in place, running, voting, etc | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | It would be great if we provided tools to each team to plug their testing/monitoring in so that we don't get 12 implementations though. | 20:47 |
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| sdague | ttx: well, we have an ask right. Please describe the test plan for this for services. | 20:47 |
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| sdague | before we move forward | 20:47 |
| ttx | yep | 20:47 |
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| sdague | SpamapS: sure | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | Or at least, help the teams collaborate. | 20:47 |
| jroll|dupe | fungi: sorry, freenode being freenode, I think john answered your question | 20:47 |
| fungi | jroll|dupe: indeed, thanks | 20:48 |
| ttx | I'm moving on to open discussion, we can continue talking about this one | 20:48 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:48 |
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| sdague | yeh, it should be similar between services | 20:48 |
| flaper87 | jroll|dupe: I like jroll better. No ofense, though. | 20:48 |
| ttx | #info A few days left to propose cross-project sessions | 20:48 |
| ttx | #info Reminder: cross-project workshop submissions open @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 20:48 |
| ttx | We'll look into them at next week meeting | 20:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I was thinking we could use grenade and run api on old and new side, like nova-compute, and add an old region into the keystone catalog, or something like that | 20:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: I should send a poke email on the ML about that | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | happy to help with the scheduling job | 20:49 |
| mtreinish | ttx: wouldn't that second one be a #link :) | 20:49 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: we could... but multinode is hard for local reproduce today | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | There are only really a few basic ways one validates uptime of anything. "Is it responding within latency thresholds? Is it spewing errors?" | 20:49 |
| jroll|dupe | flaper87: freenode disagrees I guess :) | 20:49 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: I did send a reminder already | 20:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: oh good point | 20:49 |
| ttx | (as a reply to your post) | 20:49 |
| annegentle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 20:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: ah, I totally missed that | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | jroll|dupe: what does freenode know anyway? It can even keep 1 connection up | 20:49 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: it would be good to figure out a model that makes it easy for projects to work on the problem in single node envs | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | heh | 20:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, good point | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | this isn't a single node problem. :-/ | 20:49 |
| sdague | SpamapS: it can be | 20:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: most folks don't need the multiple as such | 20:50 |
| fungi | SpamapS: also your polling frequency needs to be an order of magnitude finer than the outages you're hoping to catch | 20:50 |
| ttx | #info Other reminder: TC nominations are open | 20:50 |
| sdague | if you have 2 API servers on the same node with different code | 20:50 |
| ttx | with annegentle, dhellmann, mestery, mordred, russellb and sdague's seats up for renewal | 20:50 |
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| SpamapS | fungi: Yeah, that's where log error spew checking helps | 20:50 |
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| annegentle | I want to let you all know I'm not planning to run and encourage diverse candidates! | 20:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: sounds like that venv discussion | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | sdague: yeah, we could go with the port approach. | 20:50 |
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| SpamapS | or containers | 20:50 |
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| anteaya | annegentle: you are a diverse candidate | 20:50 |
| ttx | #info Joint Board/TC/UC meeting on Monday, Oct 24 afternoon in Barcelona | 20:50 |
| dims | SpamapS opens a can of worms :) | 20:50 |
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| sdague | SpamapS: yeh, venv + ports with a proxy. At least for the keystone case, I could see how that all works. | 20:51 |
| flaper87 | dims: lol, took the words right out of my mouth | 20:51 |
| jroll|dupe | annegentle: I'll miss you being part of the TC <3 | 20:51 |
| anteaya | annegentle: would be a shame to lose you | 20:51 |
| SpamapS | anyway, we fell into the implementation trap. The point is, there should be a harness or two that comes out of the first few of these, and it would be good to socialize the existence and methods | 20:51 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: :( | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | SpamapS : ++ | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | annegentle :( | 20:51 |
| SpamapS | sdague: cinder might suffer a bit | 20:51 |
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| flaper87 | annegentle: fwiw, you did an amazing job and I thank you for all the time you spent as part of the TC | 20:51 |
| sdague | annegentle: thank you for your service | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: thanks for your dedication and passion | 20:52 |
| devananda | annegentle: thank you for all your work on the TC - it was (and has continued to be) a pleasure to work with you. | 20:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | annegentle :( sorry to see you go | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | russellb : same for you, thanks for the time and energy you've given | 20:52 |
| edleafe | annegentle: aw, it's always good to have your comments | 20:52 |
| fungi | annegentle: i hope you run for the board next ;) | 20:52 |
| dims | annegentle : thanks for all your work and help and guidance | 20:52 |
| edleafe | fungi: yes! | 20:52 |
| dims | fungi : ++ | 20:52 |
| annegentle | thanks all :) | 20:52 |
| russellb | yeah, i'm out too | 20:52 |
| russellb | so long, and thanks for all the fish | 20:53 |
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| annegentle | russellb well done sir | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | russellb: indeed, thank you for all the time you've spent here. Many years of passion and sweat. | 20:53 |
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| sdague | russellb: thanks for your service as well | 20:53 |
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| ttx | russellb, annegentle: you'll both be very missed | 20:53 |
| edleafe | yes, thanks for your contributions, russellb! | 20:53 |
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| * mestery is also out as well | 20:54 | |
| * mordred hands russellb and annegentle a lightly used cake he found as a way to say thanks | 20:54 | |
| mestery | It's been fun folks | 20:54 |
| fungi | russellb: we can draft you back into the vmt! | 20:54 |
| devananda | russellb: !! ... thank you for, well, all the countless things you have done in your time on the TC | 20:54 |
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| * mordred hands some of the cake to mestery too | 20:54 | |
| dhellmann | mestery : you, too?! | 20:54 |
| russellb | mestery: annegentle thanks for all you've done | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | lots of turnover this time | 20:54 |
| mestery | <3 | 20:54 |
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| sdague | mestery: thanks you as well | 20:54 |
| dims | thanks russellb ! | 20:54 |
| edleafe | mestery: you'll be missed | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | mestery: holy moly | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | mestery: thanks for your service | 20:55 |
| devananda | mestery: ? ... thank you, too. | 20:55 |
| dims | thanks mestery ! | 20:55 |
| * flaper87 proposes another group hug and grabs ttx before he runs away | 20:55 | |
| dhellmann | mestery : thanks, it has been a pleasure serving with you | 20:55 |
| ttx | ok ok group hug | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | thanks russellb, annegentle and mestery | 20:55 |
| * dtroyer_zz trying to pick up the thread… | 20:55 | |
| flaper87 | w00000000000h0000000000000000000 | 20:55 |
| ttx | mordred: you wanted to propose community through food ? | 20:55 |
| dtroyer_zz | did I miss anyone else? mestery, russellb and annegentle? | 20:55 |
| mestery | Thanks all, it has been very fulfilling working with you all :) | 20:56 |
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| jroll | russellb: mestery: thank you as well for everything you've done | 20:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: mestery: annegentle: don't be strangers, thanks for all your hard work! | 20:56 |
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| dtroyer_zz | thanks all three | 20:56 |
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| ttx | johnthetubaguy: we are losing them all to the "management track" monster | 20:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: even worse | 20:56 |
| jroll | oh my | 20:56 |
| mestery | lol | 20:56 |
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| mordred | yah - so - if we're losing russelb and annegentle and mestery ... | 20:56 |
| russellb | drink?! | 20:57 |
| mordred | that means we're going to have some fresh fish to get to know | 20:57 |
| annegentle | ha | 20:57 |
| mestery | drink! | 20:57 |
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| mordred | should we organize a TC (and outgoing TC) gathering in Barca? | 20:57 |
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| dhellmann | mordred : ++ | 20:57 |
| * edleafe takes one | 20:57 | |
| SpamapS | we're all Salmon.. swimming upstream | 20:57 |
| * mordred would be happy to arrange | 20:57 | |
| flaper87 | mordred: ++ | 20:57 |
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| mordred | kk. I'll work on putting together an idea of something | 20:57 |
| ttx | wouldn't hurt to get to know better the newcomers | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | SpamapS: oh, that explains many things | 20:57 |
| jroll | mordred: ++ | 20:57 |
| dims | ttx ++ | 20:58 |
| ttx | mordred: I'll take my crystal ball and try to predict a good day for that | 20:58 |
| ttx | mordred: apparently the Monday night there is a 7:30-9:00pm Joint BoD / TC / UC / OS Staff Dinner | 20:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | right after the join board TC meeting? | 20:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh | 20:59 |
| ttx | at a "Nearby Walkable Restaurant" | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | ttx: is there going to be some sort of invitation/announcement/head count for that? | 20:59 |
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| russellb | are there offiicial conf parties? | 20:59 |
| russellb | or are the rest of the nights fair game? | 20:59 |
| fungi | staff too? maybe i'll be there then | 20:59 |
| Rocky_g | ++ Thanks annegentle russellb mestery for all your hard work her and other placees in OpenStack. Still look forward to seing you in the other places | 21:00 |
| mordred | russellb: I don't think I've gotten any invites to any :) | 21:00 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I guess there will be, I just happened to read it on some unofficial schedule | 21:00 |
| * flaper87 neither | 21:00 | |
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| russellb | mordred: same here, but another party organizer was asking me | 21:00 |
| * ttx will try to make sense of the party days and confer with mordred | 21:00 | |
| dims | ah i went hunting in my email folders | 21:00 |
| ttx | and that closes our meeting | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | bye everyone | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | thanks again russellb annegentle and mestery | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 21:00:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-09-27-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| mordred | ttx: thanks! | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-09-27-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| mestery | bye folks! | 21:00 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-09-27-20.01.log.html | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | BOM! made it in | 21:01 |
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| dims | flaper87 LOL | 21:01 |
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| dims | flaper87 : you had the final say | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | dims: :D | 21:01 |
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| jroll | thanks ttx :) | 21:02 |
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