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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 14:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:00 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| cloudon | hi | 14:00 |
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| sgordon | bare with me for a second here :) | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi sgordon | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | thought it was the docs meeting time right now | 14:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | US docs meeting | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | fun | 14:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | US: Wednesday, 14:00:00 UTC #openstack-meeting http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenStack+US+Docs+Meeting&iso=20150715T14&p1=1440&ah=1 | 14:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 14:02 |
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| cloudon | Steve - think we're in opentack-meeting-alt | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, indeed | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 7 14:02:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-10-07-14.00.html | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-10-07-14.00.txt | 14:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-10-07-14.00.log.html | 14:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 14:02:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello, anyone here for the US docs meeting? | 14:03 |
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| katomo | Hi | 14:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi katomo! | 14:03 |
| gmolson | Hi - I'm new around here. Just listening in. | 14:03 |
| lwilliams_ | hi, yes, here listening in on the doc mtg as well. | 14:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | welcome gmolson :) | 14:04 |
| katomo | hi gmolson. | 14:04 |
| gmolson | thanks! | 14:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok we can go ahead and get started | 14:04 |
| katomo | hi lwilliams_ | 14:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | none that I know of | 14:05 |
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| lwilliams_ | Hi Katomo! I'm here for the first time today too. Thanks. | 14:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:06 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 14:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227660/ | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | katomo thank you you already looked at that one | 14:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217711/ (Liberty - Training Labs - naming now sorted out) | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227636/ (Mitaka - Ops Guide RST conversion) | 14:07 |
| katomo | you are welcome | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224420/ (Mitaka - DocImpact) | 14:07 |
| emagana | Hi all! Joining late! | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | feel free to comment/review these | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi emagana! | 14:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok so those are all the specs, any questions on those | 14:08 |
| katomo | Hi emagana | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 14:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info HA Guide - Reviewing content. Any help appreciated. | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Install Guides - Need help testing against Liberty as packages are released: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/LibertyDocTesting | 14:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates. | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Security Guide - RST conversion complete, and live. | 14:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide reorg - big moves held over to Mitaka | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Ops/Arch Guides - Please review Mitaka specs. (I pasted the links above) | 14:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info API docs - See status update #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-September/007487.html | 14:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Config Ref - Need help testing against Liberty as packages are released: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/LibertyDocTesting | 14:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info OpenStack Training Labs - Contact Pranav Salunke #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/openstack-labs | 14:11 |
| emagana | ShillaSaebi: I have a few question about the networking guide that I would like to discuss. Let me know when will be a good time | 14:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok thats all i got on the specialty teams, let me know if there are any reps here from the teams and we can dig deeper | 14:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure thing emagana | 14:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | now is fine | 14:12 |
| emagana | ShillaSaebi: Thanks! | 14:12 |
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| emagana | I want to know how to formalize the networking guide teamr | 14:12 |
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| emagana | team* | 14:12 |
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| emagana | I want to have regular IRC meeting with the contributors but having this team as the main support | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | i think thats a good idea | 14:13 |
| emagana | basically, I am asking for direction in how to formalize the networking guide team and also following your guidelines | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | I saw some e-mails flying back and forth with regards to the network guide | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | is there a wiki page for the team | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | there should be I believe | 14:14 |
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| emagana | Yes, nick chase will have a break from leading the logistics of the team and I will be leading now | 14:14 |
| lwilliams_ | question on HA review...is that technical revew, editorial review, both? | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 14:14 |
| emagana | Yes, we have a Wiki for the ToC when we started planing the guide | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NetworkingGuide | 14:14 |
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| emagana | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC | 14:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok so what we did with the ops team was send out an email to see who is interested to the docs ML and ops ML | 14:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | naturally, we got a number of responses and we ended up documenting the names of the ppl interested in helping to the wiki page for the ops guide | 14:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | and then sent out a doodle request to see what time worked for everyone | 14:15 |
| emagana | ok | 14:16 |
| lwilliams_ | is there a wiki for the cloud admin guide reorg plans or is that just getting started? i'd be interested in finding out more there | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | so now we have biweekly meetings, in our own IRC channel on freenode and we have the info listed on the wiki | 14:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi | in a few weeks we will formalize it more and get it added to meetbot in the formal OpenStack channels | 14:16 |
| emagana | so, this team is fine if we have a separate IRC meeting, right? | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | but that's pretty much how we formed the team and how we moved forward, yeah emagana that should absolutely be fine | 14:17 |
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| emagana | Is there core members per guide? | 14:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | the contacts are listed here: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 14:17 |
| emagana | I guess not yet based on the fact that we have all guide in one repo | 14:17 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah whatever is in OpenStack-Manuals will have the same core members | 14:18 |
| emagana | ShillaSaebi: Nice, I will add my name there. | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | since it's not a sep repo | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool thanks emagana | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | and sync up with Matt K. I know he mentioned he's looking for more help | 14:18 |
| emagana | ShillaSaebi: Great, will look our path to cores ;-) | 14:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | awesome sounds good | 14:18 |
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| emagana | ShillaSaebi: Ok, I will follow these steps. Thanks. | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | lwilliams_ for the HA guide both is fine | 14:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | editorial and technical, any reviews | 14:19 |
| lwilliams_ | ok, thanks. | 14:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any other questions on the specialty teams? | 14:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright moving along | 14:20 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to Liberty | 14:20 |
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| ShillaSaebi | 7 days!!! #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20151015T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Liberty+Launch+Date&font=hand | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Release notes: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Waiting on Install Guide testing to be further along before we branch | 14:21 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Mitaka Design Summit | 14:21 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Congrats to Lana! She will remain as the PTL for Mitaka | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info We have session allocations for docs now. Feel free to add your suggestions here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tokyo-DocsSessions | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone going to Tokyo? | 14:21 |
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| katomo | I'm going :) | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool I will be there to | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | too* | 14:22 |
| katomo | oh, see you in tokyo | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | absolutely! | 14:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok anything else on Mitaka or the summit? | 14:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | if not we can move on... | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Spotlight bugs | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spotlight bugs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:23 | |
| ShillaSaebi | During Liberty we spotlighted a total of 24 bugs, exactly half of which have now been closed. | 14:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Big shoutout goes to Tom Fifield, Olga Gusarenko, Yusuke Ide, Brian Moss, Deena Cooper, and Alexandra Settle. | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info just a reminder to make sure you're having your bugs independently verified and confirmed before you create a patch | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | If it's not triaged, don't fix it! | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | any questions on that? | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok awesome | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | that concludes most of the meeting for today | 14:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open discussion | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:25 | |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 14:26 |
| katomo | o/ | 14:26 |
| katomo | Liberty release notes does not have docs project yet. | 14:26 |
| katomo | who write? | 14:26 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hmmm im not sure | 14:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can ask Lana | 14:27 |
| katomo | got it | 14:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #action katomo to check w/Lana on the release notes for Liberty (docs) | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can draft something up after this meeting | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | great question | 14:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright if there is nothing else we can go ahead and conclude this meeting | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you for joining everyone | 14:30 |
| lwilliams_ | thanks! | 14:30 |
| katomo | ok. thanks, ShillaSaebi, all. | 14:30 |
| gmolson | thanks ShillaSaebi | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | lwilliams_ and gmolson hope to see more of you and welcome again | 14:30 |
| gmolson | :) | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | bye! | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 7 14:31:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-10-07-14.02.html | 14:31 |
| lwilliams_ | thx..bye! | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-10-07-14.02.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-10-07-14.02.log.html | 14:31 |
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| SotK | Anyone here for the StoryBoard meeting? | 15:00 |
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| Zara | o/ | 15:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 15:01:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| SotK | StoryBoard now allows markdown in descriptions and comments! | 15:02 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:02 |
| Zara | nice work :) | 15:02 |
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| SotK | heh, thanks :) | 15:02 |
| * SotK doesn't think there are any urgent items beyond "please can we have reviews" | 15:03 | |
| Zara | hehe, don't think so | 15:03 |
| SotK | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:03 |
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| SotK | #info SotK is still looking at worklists and boards. | 15:03 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202989/ Spec | 15:03 |
| SotK | Finally sent patches! | 15:03 |
| SotK | Next job is sorting out detailed access control for boards and worklists. | 15:03 |
| SotK | After that I'll work on automatic worklists. | 15:03 |
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| Zara | yay :) | 15:03 |
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| SotK | Oh, also voting is open on that spec until tomorrow IIRC | 15:03 |
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| Zara | ah, thanks for reminding everyone | 15:04 |
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| Zara | I voted on it earlier but it's been updated since, so I should probably re-vote | 15:04 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient+branch:master+topic:worklists,n,z Worklists and Boards | 15:05 |
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| SotK | #undo | 15:05 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient+branch:master+topic:worklists,n,z Worklists and Boards patches | 15:05 |
| Zara | :) | 15:05 |
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| Zara | subscriptions speedup patch is finally ready and in gerrit | 15:06 |
| SotK | \o/ | 15:06 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223562/ | 15:06 |
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| SotK | #info Subscriptions speedup patch is awaiting review | 15:06 |
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| Zara | :) my next step is to look at the irritating 401 error | 15:07 |
| SotK | hooray! | 15:07 |
| SotK | got anywhere with that yet? | 15:07 |
| Zara | not really. I tried changing the value that I thought controlled when access tokens expired | 15:07 |
| Zara | from 1 hour down to 1 minute, as a test | 15:08 |
| Zara | new ones continue to last for an hour. | 15:08 |
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| Zara | so either that's not the value, or there's something else going on with it.... to use the technical term :) | 15:08 |
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| Zara | etiher way that was just an idea for a workaround. | 15:08 |
| SotK | #info Zara is now working on making the 401 errors less irritating | 15:09 |
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| Zara | the other things planned were tags and email notifications for subscribed resources, but I can't focus on too many things at once. | 15:10 |
| Zara | I guess we'll come back to that in a bit | 15:10 |
| SotK | indeed :) | 15:10 |
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| SotK | onto the discussion topic then! | 15:11 |
| SotK | #topic Summit | 15:11 |
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| Zara | hehe, sorry, I noted this about a minute before the meeting | 15:11 |
| SotK | no worries :) | 15:11 |
| SotK | what have you got planned so far? | 15:11 |
| Zara | so, as I mentioned in the infra etherpad, I'd like to run a session to work out priorities for storyboard development | 15:11 |
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| Zara | ideally, get feedback before the summit, then focus on a few key things in a session there. | 15:12 |
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| Zara | because the old priorities are very out of date and were written with a much bigger team in mind | 15:12 |
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| SotK | sounds sensible | 15:12 |
| Zara | not sure about *where* to ask, though | 15:13 |
| SotK | a mail to the infra list perhaps? | 15:13 |
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| Zara | (also not convinced this will take 40 minutes, so we might want to split the space with another project. there were no other workrooms last time I looked!) | 15:13 |
| Zara | infra workrooms, that is | 15:13 |
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| Zara | ah, there are now a couple more | 15:14 |
| Zara | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-mitaka-summit-planning | 15:14 |
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| Zara | it might not require a workroom, I just think people may be more candid in person than on a ML. :) | 15:14 |
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| Zara | yeah, I think you're right about the infra list | 15:15 |
| SotK | I suspect they may be too | 15:15 |
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| Zara | I think that's all about that. might ask for some help drawing up some questions or something, still need to think it through a bit more, really | 15:16 |
| Zara | I don't want anything long since that's just irritating! | 15:16 |
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| SotK | indeed, something which doesn't require much time to read and reply too is probably most likely to be successful | 15:17 |
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| Zara | the whole thing is a bit ironic, since storyboard itself is designed for this sort of thing | 15:18 |
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| Zara | but the mailing list is probably a better place for more detailed feedback, anyway. :) | 15:19 |
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| Zara | I think that's all (for now) | 15:19 |
| SotK | if you could persuade people in the workroom to write stories of their biggest complaints about storyboard and/or things they want out of a task tracker it would be useful perhaps | 15:19 |
| SotK | ok then, moving to open discussion | 15:20 |
| Zara | I'd rather do that bit first and use the workroom to work out what's feasible. | 15:20 |
| SotK | even better :) | 15:20 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:21 |
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| SotK | Anything to discuss? | 15:21 |
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| Zara | hmmm... | 15:21 |
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| Zara | nope, nothing relevant :P | 15:22 |
| SotK | :D | 15:22 |
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| Zara | persia sometimes comes to these meetings. | 15:22 |
| Zara | maybe I can convince him to join the choir | 15:23 |
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| SotK | OK then, the meeting ends... | 15:24 |
| SotK | .. | 15:24 |
| SotK | . | 15:24 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 7 15:24:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-10-07-15.01.html | 15:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-10-07-15.01.txt | 15:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-10-07-15.01.log.html | 15:24 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 16:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | o/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
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| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| hemna | doink | 16:00 |
| breitz | hi | 16:00 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Gah! | 16:00 |
| rhedlind | hi | 16:00 |
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| e0ne | :) | 16:00 |
| hemna | :P | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | hello :) | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
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| Swanson | hemna, put one off the upright or does that mean something else? | 16:01 |
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| flip214 | Swanson: tongue hanging out | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Any remaining Liberty announcements you want to cover? | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | .o/ | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | I can report Liberty-rc2 has been cut. This should be what goes out the door unless something Really Bad happens. | 16:02 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | Hi | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Other than that I don't have any other announcements. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Stable branches of cinderclient | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Hi | 16:03 |
| scottda | hi | 16:03 |
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| scottda | So, we have a stable branch for the cinderclient | 16:03 |
| scottda | i.e stable/kilo | 16:03 |
| thingee | nada | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Thanks | 16:04 |
| scottda | QA noticed that we've features in cinder kilo that are not supported on the cinderclient stable/kilo | 16:04 |
| scottda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-cinderclient/+bug/1503287 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1503287 in python-cinderclient "stable/kilo cinder supports incremental backups, client does not" [Undecided,New] | 16:04 |
| xyang | scottda: :( | 16:04 |
| mriedem | and? | 16:04 |
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| scottda | I'm told we don't generally backport to stable branches of the cinderclient. | 16:04 |
| mriedem | we don't | 16:04 |
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| e0ne | are we allowed to backport features into the clients? | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | no | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | use the rest API or a newer client version | 16:04 |
| hemna | well, we also have replication in the API in Liberty and not in the client....... | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | the clients are not really tied to branches for the downstream consumers | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | they are branched for our gate setups | 16:05 |
| scottda | Ok, but as a packager, we ship kilo server with kilo client | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #info Client branches are mainly to mark the point at that release. | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ummm that's VERY intentional | 16:05 |
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| hemna | yes | 16:05 |
| scottda | it's a bit confusing for the user that the client does not support features in the server. | 16:05 |
| mriedem | you should be packaging a released version that works, not stable/kilo | 16:05 |
| hemna | jgriffith, just pointing it out as a reference fwiw. | 16:05 |
| scottda | fair enough | 16:05 |
| xyang | hemna: incremental CLI change was merged at that time though:( | 16:05 |
| e0ne | scottda: +1 from the packages point of view | 16:05 |
| mriedem | according to g-r, you should package at least 1.1.0 for kilo https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/stable/kilo/global-requirements.txt#L122 | 16:05 |
| * hemna isn't being helpful | 16:05 | |
| scottda | I was basically wondering if others found this confusing, or if this was an issue or not | 16:06 |
| mriedem | it's not an issue | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #info mriedem pointed out packaging should be using a released version that works | 16:06 |
| mriedem | the bug should be marked as won't fix or invalid | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Confusing - yes. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Do you know if that is needed for gate reasons? | 16:06 |
| scottda | and 1.2.? versions are broken due to version discovery | 16:06 |
| scottda | so we don't want anyone using those | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | mriedem: Why? Having a client that is the one that supports all the features of a release, and no new ones that didn't make the release, seems very useful | 16:06 |
| scottda | And if we package a newer client version, it will have features that are not supported in the server. | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | mriedem: The fact that something is the way it is doesn't mean we shouldn't change it | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | sighh | 16:07 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1, good point | 16:07 |
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| mriedem | then don't land the server side feature until the client change is also ready to approve | 16:08 |
| mriedem | stable branches are for backporting bug fixes and cutting patch releases | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | So I just want to point something out here again... we had an issue where we didn't cut a client for K, that's why this is missing, we screwed up | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | BUT | 16:08 |
| mriedem | if you backport a feature you have to release that with a minor version bump which generally breaks jobs b/c of g-r on stable | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | there's no reason you can't/shouldn't provide the client version that works | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | the whole point is the client is always supposed to be backward compat | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | so this shouldn't be an issue | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: True, but if the two branches match, that is easier to do | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | and "missing" things shouldn't show up anyway | 16:09 |
| mriedem | jgriffith: well, within minor versoin range | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: For sure | 16:09 |
| scottda | Yes, OK. It's mostly due to the specific issue with K not getting cut. | 16:09 |
| mriedem | major version bump for backward incompatable chagnes, like dropping things or namespace changes | 16:09 |
| mriedem | like oslo did in all it's libs | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: we attempted it for V2 even... but anyway | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Out discoverability for back compat is very poor at the moment - there's no way for a client to know if some new options are supported by a given server | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: the branches WOULD match had we released a client for Kilo, but we didn't | 16:10 |
| scottda | Of course, this gets better with microversion support in client and server... | 16:10 |
| mriedem | except it doesn't | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | so this is what we have, we should learn from it, remember to actually release a client with the cinder release | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Got it. Thanks. So in future we try to make sure we release. Job done | 16:10 |
| mriedem | b/c some clouds don't provide versions | 16:10 |
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| mriedem | sdague: knows more about this | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: +1 | 16:10 |
| mriedem | on the client side with microversions | 16:10 |
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| scottda | OK, I just wanted to bring this up. Not sure if there's anything else to do. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | scottda: why not just use a newer version of the client? | 16:11 |
| scottda | Because newer client will have unsupported features... | 16:11 |
| mriedem | also, when you do microversions in the client, don't make the same mistake we did https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230024/ | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | scottda: I don't think that's true actually | 16:11 |
| scottda | mriedem: thanks for that tip | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | scottda: it reads from the Cinder api | 16:12 |
| mriedem | scottda: but the user would be opting into using htose right? if the server doesn't support them, you get a 400 or 404 | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | scottda: IIRC the "new" features won't show up if they're disabled or not in the API | 16:12 |
| mriedem | yeah, it's up to the cloud you're talking to | 16:12 |
| scottda | yes, but that's a bad experience to get a 404 | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | #info Team needs to make sure to release clients with the same cinder release | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | mriedem: You don't always get a 404 if it's a new attribute in the call | 16:12 |
| scottda | OK, well I think it's mostly a one-time thing for Kilo | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: :) | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | Just making it more visible. ;) | 16:13 |
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| scottda | You can get something like: | 16:13 |
| scottda | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3quNg4hO/ | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: When is that going to happen for Liberty? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: we already did it for L | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | scottda: umm... wait, I'm confused | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | scottda: that's an error from the shell | 16:14 |
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| mriedem | yeah | 16:14 |
| mriedem | argparse snafu | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: 1.4 went out Sept 11th. Let me know if you know of anything missed after that. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | scottda: that has nothing to do with APi vs client matching | 16:15 |
| scottda | Right, the stable/kilo cinderclient doesn't support is-public, but the server does. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | scottda: and? | 16:15 |
| scottda | so it's confusing for the user as to why the kilo client doesn't support a documented feature in the server | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Here's what was in it: https://launchpad.net/python-cinderclient/+milestone/1.4.0 | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | scottda: yea, because our Kilo version of client is actually the Juno version :( | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | but really... "cinder --help" :) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | or give them a newer client | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I think MOST people update their clients anyway | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | So we missed something and need to move on and not do it again. | 16:16 |
| scottda | Well, right. So mainly a one-time Kilo thing. So probably much-ado about nothing, but at least people should be aware of this. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Recommendation is to use the newer client. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | because the whole point is the client is often pip installed on laptop or whatever regardless of distro bundling | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | And if I understood right, no need to backport to a stable branch because it would cause problems. | 16:17 |
| scottda | Agreed. | 16:17 |
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| scottda | That's fine on the backport. Thanks mriedem for clarifying that. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | scottda: use curl :) | 16:17 |
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| scottda | hehe | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | #info Backporting to stable client release can cause problems and should not be done. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | scottda: OK, anything else? | 16:18 |
| scottda | nope. thanks | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Thank you. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | #topic Remove XML APi | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Hey | 16:18 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:18 |
| e0ne | I just want to confirm that we're on the same page | 16:18 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: Kill it, with fire IOM | 16:19 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: You posted on the ML on the 2nd. I was going to bump that thread after a week to make sure it's seen. | 16:19 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:19 |
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| e0ne | it's deleted from nova, and tempest 1 year ago | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | If no one speaks up I think we're safe removing it. | 16:19 |
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| eharney | this needs some official deprecation period, right? | 16:19 |
| mriedem | rax is still on icehouse level cinder so don't worry about rax :) | 16:19 |
| dulek | e0ne: Had you reached openstack-operators? | 16:19 |
| e0ne | dulek: yes | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | There was a TC level advice that XML can be removed too IIRC | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: LOL | 16:20 |
| hemna | smcginnis, and by "no one" you mean operators right ? | 16:20 |
| e0ne | eharney: afair, nova and tempest just deleted it | 16:20 |
| eharney | i doubt we can rip it out w/o deprecating it for a cycle | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Right | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: +1 | 16:20 |
| mriedem | e0ne: nova deleted the xml api a few release sago | 16:20 |
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| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:20 |
| hemna | deprecate it now. and in a release or 2, we'll revisit for removal | 16:20 |
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| mriedem | i think kilo | 16:20 |
| e0ne | mriedem: did they do all deprecation things? | 16:20 |
| mriedem | dims: was it kilo when you dropped xml from nova? | 16:20 |
| mriedem | e0ne: i think so | 16:21 |
| dims | y | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | #info Other projects have remove XML support already (nova) | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | So to be safe, it's sounding like we should drop the patch to remove it for now. | 16:22 |
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| dulek | It's silly that deprecation is needed for a feature if we don't even know if it works and we're not testing it. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | And spin a new one that marks it deprecated. | 16:22 |
| e0ne | we don't have tests for it | 16:22 |
| e0ne | only unit-tests | 16:22 |
| sdague | this is when we deprecated it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75439/ for reference | 16:22 |
| dulek | But rules are made to be obeyed I think. ;) | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Personally I would just like to see it removed, especially as e0ne has said it is not at all tested. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | But I think dulek makes a good point (and others). | 16:23 |
| mriedem | yeah you should deprecate for at least a release | 16:23 |
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| mriedem | we deprecated in juno and removed in kilo | 16:23 |
| e0ne | sdague: thanks. propable, we must deprecate it before removing | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #info Deprecate XML in Mitaka, remove in N. | 16:23 |
| mriedem | i doubt anyone is using it though since they'd have to be using json for nova | 16:23 |
| sdague | mriedem: we deprecated in icehouse | 16:23 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:23 |
| mriedem | sdague: so we did | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Seems like that is the 'right' thing to do. | 16:24 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:24 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1, | 16:24 |
| dulek | smcginnis: +1 | 16:24 |
| patrickeast | +1 | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Sorry, mind changing that patch to mark the deprecation? | 16:24 |
| sdague | but, yeh, the deprecation window is important because people might be using a slice of the code that works, even if it's not tested upstream. That gives them the heads up to get moving to something else. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Technically it is supposed to be two release right? But since it is untested, bend the rules? | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I think current guidance is one. | 16:25 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: I'll post a new patch for deprecation | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok. Cool. | 16:25 |
| sdague | current guidance is one | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Thank you | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | sdague: Thanks! | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: OK, anything else on this topic? | 16:25 |
| mriedem | jungleboyj just has problems letting go | 16:25 |
| e0ne | no | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Hah! | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Thank you. | 16:25 |
| * jungleboyj glares at mriedem | 16:25 | |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | replication? | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | replication! | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | aorourke: jungleboyj patrickeast around? | 16:26 |
| aorourke | jgriffith, yes | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Yes. | 16:26 |
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| patrickeast | yea (sort of) | 16:26 |
| hemna | :) | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | So aorourke pointed out some things, as well as some misunderstanding in how the spec was intended | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | I *think* we worked through most of that yesterday | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | I'll clean up docs and also get a reference up for people to look at (hopefully next day or so) | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | BUT | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | a bigger problem is some things in V1 | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | cool, i'll have to go check the logs and catch up | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | in v1? | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: yeah... it did some things in the DB on create that I hadn't noticed that make things kinda icky | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | I've also noticed looking at some of the patches up that it seems to be causing some confusion | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | There's almost a weird mix of the two approaches going on I think | 16:28 |
| patrickeast | gotcha | 16:28 |
| patrickeast | heh thats probably not good | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | anyway... I wanted to gauge interest in removal of the V1 code | 16:28 |
| Swanson | I don't support it so remove it. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I can remove it, but need input from jungleboyj / IBM though | 16:29 |
| xyang | jgriffith: so is that code that did things in DB also called by V2? | 16:29 |
| aorourke | jgriffith, remote it :) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | and what they plan to do | 16:29 |
| patrickeast | i'm for that long term... might be hard to do it super fast in M | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | So, remove it in Mitaka? | 16:29 |
| patrickeast | would we need to offer some kind of upgrade path to v2? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | xyang: yes, but V2 doesn't make some of the 'assumptions' that v1 unfortunately chose | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: yes, IBM would | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Does the v1 stuff get in the way of anything right now? | 16:30 |
| xyang | jgriffith: ok | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | which is why I raised the question here ;) | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yes | 16:30 |
| hemna | can IBM just update their drivers to use v2 ? | 16:30 |
| hemna | and be done w/ it ? | 16:30 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: hehe yea i guess by 'we' i meant in the v2 implementation, or as a standalone helper kind of deal specific to ibm | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Oh yeah, db. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | hemna: it's more complicated than that | 16:30 |
| * smcginnis pays closer attention. | 16:30 | |
| jgriffith | they need to upgrade as well as deal with a migration strategy | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Thoughts on moving to v2? | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Vincent is working on moving storwize to V2 in Mitaka. So, I see now reason to leave V1 there if we can get V2 implemented. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | The other option that I can propose... is seperate the V1 stuff into it's own module | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | that way it's isolated | 16:31 |
| hemna | does IBM care about 'upgrade' to v2 ? | 16:31 |
| hemna | vs. just move to it | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: ok... that's what i needed to hear | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | What happened to those 30+ customers that were going to start using the day after the last summit? :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I can work with Vincent on migration strategies | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Perfect. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yeah... I was going to ask but decided someobdy might think I'm being an A-hole :) | 16:31 |
| patrickeast | slightly off topic, but while we are talking about replication... have you guys looked at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219900/ ? | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: I did it for you. :] | 16:32 |
| xyang | jungleboyj: is Vincent also in charge of CG moving forward? | 16:32 |
| patrickeast | we might want to do something like that earlier before lots of implementations happen | 16:32 |
| xyang | jungleboyj: or is it still taboo? | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Vincent is out on vacation. Can we wait until he gets back before pushing up the removal patch to make sure we don't have additional concerns? | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | So if IBM is OK with moving to v2 in M, then I would love to clean out the v1 stuff right away. | 16:32 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +! | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yeah, no problem... also we can just revert anything :) | 16:33 |
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| xyang | jungleboyj: I mean taobai | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | xyang: He has been working on that as well. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: jungleboyj let's clean it out, then see what we need to do afterwards | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | xyang: I wondered what you meant. No, Tao went to Huawei. | 16:33 |
| xyang | jungleboyj: I see, thanks | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: I hadn't looked at that patch | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | I will do so shortly | 16:33 |
| hemna | patrickeast, that patch looks kinda iffy. automatically allowing things on a volume that's in error state? | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, if you are working with Vincent on bridging migration. I will give him a heads up. | 16:34 |
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| patrickeast | iirc it needs a rebase and some tlc but the gist is still there | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | sounds good | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | xyang: Vincent is bridging the gap. | 16:34 |
| patrickeast | hemna: some of the details need to be worked out, but there is definitely a problem right now with how the flow works for the volumes | 16:34 |
| xyang | jungleboyj: ok, thanks | 16:34 |
| patrickeast | hemna: its easy to get in an unrecoverable state that requires like manual db tinkering to get out of | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: it's pretty straight forward, shouldn't be an issue | 16:34 |
| hemna | I guess reset-state is the hammer that 'fixes' it | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: FYI, that's kind of intentional :) | 16:35 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: yea it makes sense to some extent | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | Ok, think that's all I had | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | unless somebody else had issues/questions on it | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | #info IBM to look at moving to repl v2 | 16:35 |
| patrickeast | i was curious if anyone had plans to make tempest tests for it | 16:36 |
| mriedem | do you guys have a reverts_task_state decorator in the volume manager like nova does in the compute manager? | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yep, that is the top of our queue right now. | 16:36 |
| patrickeast | we might step up and do it at least for internally CI testing, but if someone else already planned to we shoudl work together | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | #info If IBM moved to v2 we will remove v1 code | 16:36 |
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| aorourke | jgriffith, I do think failed-over state should allow you to enable replication on it | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: no sure if it's "like Novas" but there is a revert task | 16:36 |
| mriedem | jgriffith: and that is on things that go to error state? the problem we've had in the past is like an error/deleting vm/task state combo | 16:36 |
| eharney | do we know the migration path for people deployed on repl v1? | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | aorourke: yeah, but what does that mean :) | 16:37 |
| mriedem | where you couldn't delete the instance b/c it was already 'deleting' | 16:37 |
| mriedem | so you had to do reset-state which is an admin api | 16:37 |
| aorourke | jgriffith, it's up to the driver, right? driver detects if it is in failed-over and decides what to do from there | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | eharney: that's what I was saying we need to work with IBM on (they're the only ones that ever implemented v1) | 16:37 |
| eharney | jgriffith: ah ok | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: We don't have a lot. jgriffith can work with Vincent on that. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Taking notes for Vincent now. He is out for the Chinese holiday at the moment. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | aorourke: perhaps... question: do you then swap primary an secondary and replicate the other direction? What if it failed-over becasue primary died? What if you don't want it to replicated anymore? What if you can't replicate any more? What if what if what if | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Just FYI, he is moving to the US after the New Year so we will all see him more in real time which is awesome. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | aorourke: that's why I was pretty strict on the states and didn't get crazy with anything | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | aorourke: too many options and they're different for almost every backend | 16:39 |
| aorourke | jgriffith, there are definitely multiple options...but it would be nice if it has failed-over to be able to resume replication once you get the primary array back online. | 16:39 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, Coming in with V2 here. On failover does Nova know to attach to the replication target after failover? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | I'd much prefer a simple base to start with, then revisit some of these extra things | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | Swanson: yeah, if you read the docs the idea is you update the provider_id in the db | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | so when an attach call comes in it gets the updated info | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Is that implemented on the nova side to automatically handle that change? Or it requires admin action? | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | aorourke: I agree, there's a TON of things that would be "nice", but it's always been my argument that we should have a solid foundation that works reliably and solid before we go crazy with options and extras | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | PLEASE!! I'm begging all of you :) | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:41 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:41 |
| hemna | adding all the 'nice' things is why v1 failed | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: it's transparent to Nova, EXCEPT in the case of an attached volume, that's just what you have | 16:41 |
| xyang | jgriffith: +1 | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Lets get what we have working well. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Crawl, walk, run | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1000 | 16:41 |
| aorourke | jgriffith, i agree. maybe at a later time we can get that implemented :) | 16:42 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, the problem is that I think I can achieve the same thing with an extra spec and import volume. So I'd like to know what some of those additional features and use cases are. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | aorourke: may be sooner than you think... could be M2 :) Just saying for now, let's get our base versions in for all the various drivers | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | learn from that before going crazy | 16:42 |
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| aorourke | jgriffith, +1 | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: let's talk after meeting | 16:43 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, k | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | don't want to take up meeting time if others aren't into this | 16:43 |
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| patrickeast | jgriffith: Swanson: maybe it would be worthwhile to describe some workflow/usecase kind of things for replication somewhere | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | aorourke: and yes, you can do ALL of this with extra specs IMO | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: yeah.... sounds good | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | patrickeast: I like that idea. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | i thought I did that in the spec, but it changed so many times who knows | 16:44 |
| Swanson | patrickeast, +1. I need to discuss more internally, too. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Oh... I had one other topic | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | #topic extra cinder meetings | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | #topic extra cinder meetings | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "extra cinder meetings (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:45 | |
| smcginnis | More meetings? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | I saw something in my backscroll about some folks getting together to discuss/work on some stuff via a hangout meeting | 16:45 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, yah | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | totally cool, but I would ask that if you do stuff like that you keep it open | 16:45 |
| hemna | some of us wanted to chat about the compare/swap and locks stuffs | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | make sure everybody has a chance to participate | 16:45 |
| hemna | I was going to post the google hangout in cinder | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ahh... yeah, totally cool | 16:46 |
| hemna | anyone that wants to join can | 16:46 |
| patrickeast | any chance you could record those kind of things? | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Might be good to post an etherpad link too for those that miss the meeting to review what was captured? | 16:46 |
| hemna | can you record/post google hangout video conferences ? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: some heads up via like announcements in weekly meeting, and use of the ML would be good | 16:46 |
| hemna | jgriffith, ok will do in the future | 16:46 |
| hemna | we had no intention of making this private | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: it's important that we keep everything in the open so to speak | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I understand, and i didn't think you did | 16:47 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: It was decided on last week's meeting | 16:47 |
| eharney | iirc hangouts has a limit of 10 people or something so it may not be the thing to use for widely broadcast events | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | but I don't want anybody to ever be able to get the impression | 16:47 |
| * patrickeast likes to have logs or something to look at if i have a schedule conflict | 16:47 | |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:47 |
| mriedem | you can record hangouts in youtube, | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: oh? | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | well then never mind | 16:47 |
| hemna | mriedem, ? | 16:47 |
| mriedem | sdague used to do that with the friday bootstrapping hour | 16:47 |
| mriedem | we've talked about doing that kind of thing in nova too - so the virt driver people can discuss topics in a hangout that is recorded | 16:47 |
| mriedem | b/c we nacked a request to have a design session for virt drivers in tokyo | 16:48 |
| hemna | mriedem, ok I'll see if I can set up the hangout to record to youtube | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: checking the meeting logs | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | Thanks hemna | 16:48 |
| mriedem | hemna: maybe informative https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BootstrappingHour/HostCheatSheet | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Time to start a Cinder Youtube channel? | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | hemnaat this point, it might be beneficial to have a google hangout to hash some of this out? | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | sorry | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | that's copy/paste from the meeting logs | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | booooo | 16:50 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, +1 | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, that was from the logs. I thought that was a bad joke. | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | haha | 16:51 |
| hemna | just fwiw, the reason we wanted a google hangout is it seems that irc is a difficult place to talk about the complexities in an efficient manner wrt to the locks, etc. | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: what... you saying my jokes are always bad? :) | 16:51 |
| * jungleboyj didn't say that. :-) | 16:51 | |
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| jgriffith | (•‿•) | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else? Or should we free up the channel. | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | Look at jgriffith getting fancy. | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | º╲˚\â•á´–_á´–â•®/˚╱º Y A Y ! | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | Dang! | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:52 |
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| scottda | impressive | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | stupid pet tricks | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | (-: | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | OK, I think we've lost all productivty here. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | I can smile in two driectios. | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 7 16:53:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-10-07-16.00.html | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-10-07-16.00.txt | 16:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-10-07-16.00.log.html | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | Glad that is all captured in a log for posterity. | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:53 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Can't have a Cinder meeting without some levity. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | No spiders this time. ;) | 16:54 |
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| skraynev_ | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 20:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| skraynev_ | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
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| prazumovsky | Hello! | 20:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:01 |
| markvan | hi | 20:01 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 20:01 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 20:01 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-10-07_2000_UTC.29 | 20:01 |
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| skraynev_ | let's start :) | 20:02 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Adding items to agenda | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | some additional items ? | 20:02 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:03 |
| markvan | new lbaas v2 spec, would like to discuss how to handle with existing v1 support | 20:03 |
| markvan | for integration testing | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | markvan: ok. added | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | move to the next | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | #topic liberty rc2 status/ backporting hot fixes | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-rc2 | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: thx :) | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | looks like most part was merged | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | there is nothing of consequence left in liberty-rc-potential https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=liberty-rc-potential | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | I suppose https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1491773 could be backported, stable gates is good | 20:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491773 in heat "gate fails on test_nested_stack_adopt_fail" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to Angus Salkeld (asalkeld) | 20:06 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: +1 | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | we should look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat and see if anything else is worth putting in rc2, but generally we're looking in good shape | 20:07 |
| skraynev_ | I plan take a look this one tomorrow https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1498660 | 20:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1498660 in heat "Convergence: test_stack_update_replace_with_ip_rollback failure" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Rakesh H S (rh-s) | 20:07 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: but we can get the benefit of stable gates any time without waiting for a release, so it's nbd for rc2 | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: true dat | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | AFAIK, we have a rc for all projects and release will happen on the next week | 20:09 |
| skraynev_ | need to chat with ttx about it | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | whoa | 20:10 |
| zaneb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat/commit/?id=d07f91615a159663261091e672ce62f90e6ad607 | 20:10 |
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| stevebaker | oh, I've put the release notes in, its a bit of a novel :) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Orchestration_.28Heat.29 | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | did we seriously backport a DB migration to kilo? | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | maybe it was during the RCs | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: looks nice! thank you ;) | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: probably - yes | 20:11 |
| shardy | zaneb: I think it must've been or it wouldn't have been +A'd by ttx? | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: the author and committer dates are close | 20:11 |
| zaneb | ah | 20:12 |
| zaneb | tags: removed: kilo-rc-potential | 20:12 |
| zaneb | so yes | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic heat-templates gate fixing progress | 20:12 |
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| zaneb | it just wasn't targeted for Liberty, which is why it doesn't say Fix Released | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | update - it was fixed ;) | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | I mostly say about job for heat-templates repo | 20:14 |
| pas-ha | well, the current fix for haet-templates gates just ignores the errors in notfound endpoints | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | oh, heat templates. I can't read | 20:14 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I might add a bullet to the API additions saying PATCH is now fully implemented, if that's OK with you | 20:14 |
| skraynev_ | btw most part of these ^ bugs look like hard-reproducible | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yeah, do it | 20:15 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: good point ;) | 20:15 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: do we need another workaround ? | 20:16 |
| pas-ha | on the review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227875/ | 20:16 |
| pas-ha | but shardy had some suggestions I still haven't implemented | 20:16 |
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| pas-ha | shardy, I remember we were talking this over on irc, would you mind put your ideas on gerrit? | 20:17 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: sure will do | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | thanks | 20:18 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: thank you for the update ;) | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | np | 20:18 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic review exception for automation translation commits (+2A) | 20:19 |
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| pas-ha | let'em merge and don;t bug us? | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | yep, just like requirements changes, one core can approve | 20:19 |
| skraynev_ | it's patches introduced by Bot | 20:19 |
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| zaneb | +1 | 20:20 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: for requirements - not totally sure | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: that core should still check the requirements change for sanity | 20:20 |
| pas-ha | yes, I remember several times e.g. shardy new something bad about new lib versions we did not.. | 20:20 |
| shardy | +1 but yeah there have very occasionally been bogus requirements bot proposals | 20:21 |
| skraynev_ | sometimes it make affect us. I remember situation, when Jason asked me about delay for approve some requirements update patch | 20:21 |
| shardy | so worth paying attention ;) | 20:21 |
| * shardy remembers proposals from wrong branches | 20:21 | |
| zaneb | nobody reads the translations anyway though | 20:21 |
| pas-ha | definitely +1 for translations | 20:22 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: :) it's true ... | 20:22 |
| shardy | Yeah it's impossible to effectively review the translations anyway other than checking what files are touched | 20:22 |
| pas-ha | I would even suggest keep translations in a separate repo and pull it as submodule | 20:22 |
| pas-ha | and let translation team/bot merge to the separate repo at their will | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: could you ask about it in openstack-dev or translation team directly? | 20:24 |
| pas-ha | ok, will try. I just know many people do not like git submdules | 20:24 |
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| skraynev_ | Anyway looks like we come to agreement - one core may approve translation patch | 20:24 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: hope on you ;) | 20:25 |
| shardy | skraynev_: +1 | 20:25 |
| skraynev_ | #topic mox3 vs mock in unittets | 20:25 |
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| skraynev_ | we have this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230300/ | 20:26 |
| pas-ha | that's an interesting one. I honestly hate mox, and do not think mox3 is any better in general | 20:26 |
| * shardy is only just recovering from the mox->mock shift | 20:26 | |
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| pas-ha | so if this patch fixes some real issue - we should merge it | 20:26 |
| skraynev_ | what do you think about attempt for total migration during M? | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | isn't mox3 just a non-abandoned fork of mox which works on python3? | 20:27 |
| pas-ha | only if there are volonteers for that | 20:27 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: it's not worse though, is it | 20:27 |
| skraynev_ | I know, that it's difficult and boring... | 20:27 |
| pas-ha | not | 20:27 |
| zaneb | converting also makes backports an even bigger giant pain | 20:28 |
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| pas-ha | it's only plus it is "owned" by openstack community so that we in principle can fix things faster | 20:28 |
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| zaneb | just throwing that in there | 20:28 |
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| * zaneb just finished the most painful backport ever last night | 20:28 | |
| jdob | i'd be willing to help out with the conversion to mock | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | if someone wants to convert our tests they should go for it, but I see no issue with doing mox->mox3 in the meantime | 20:28 |
| zaneb | stevebaker++ | 20:29 |
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| pas-ha | on the other hand, patch looks small, so why not | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: exactly | 20:29 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: maybe we may create bp for this work to make this work more official ? | 20:29 |
| pas-ha | if it might help running py34 gate in the future - even better | 20:29 |
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| pas-ha | nah, just convert them case-by-case | 20:30 |
| pas-ha | those for a change are more or less independent | 20:30 |
| shardy | using it sounds fine, provided we're not going to have another giant shift to a different tool | 20:30 |
| shardy | our tests are already a mess of mox/mock mixture | 20:30 |
| pas-ha | I doubt it, mock is in stdlib | 20:31 |
| pas-ha | of py3 | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | yeah, mock isn't going away | 20:31 |
| zaneb | stevebaker and I just left exactly the same comment at the same time | 20:31 |
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| shardy | Ok, cool | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: I used less words | 20:31 |
| zaneb | you win this time baker | 20:32 |
| pas-ha | btw, if we are going to change tests en masse - should we skip the func gates on pyX jobs? | 20:32 |
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| pas-ha | ironic does that, also neutron and somebody else.. | 20:32 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: lol | 20:32 |
| pas-ha | i mean skip if only unit tests are changed | 20:33 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: I would -2 large changes, fine grained changes please | 20:33 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: oh, I see | 20:33 |
| pas-ha | no, I mean if a patch set only touches heat/tests/* - run only pep8 and pyXY | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: another orthogonal issue which would be nice to have | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: same for docs changes | 20:34 |
| pas-ha | yes | 20:34 |
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| skraynev_ | pas-ha: I ready to +2 such changes :) but suppose, that it will be different repo :( | 20:35 |
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| pas-ha | yes, project-config it is | 20:35 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: I expected something like that :) | 20:35 |
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| skraynev_ | anyway, I agree with it. looks reasonable especially in light of migrating mox to mock | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | so my favorite ... | 20:37 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Tokyo summit sessions | 20:37 |
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| skraynev_ | we have less sessions, then time slots ;) | 20:38 |
| skraynev_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-heat-sessions | 20:38 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-heat-sessions | 20:38 |
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| skraynev_ | https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/heat#.VhV05dSlykp | 20:38 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/heat#.VhV05dSlykp | 20:38 |
| skraynev_ | need a brainstorm with raising ideas for discussions :) | 20:39 |
| skraynev_ | discussions == sessions | 20:39 |
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| skraynev_ | any thought are welcome | 20:39 |
| skraynev_ | otherwise it will be convergence Phase * :) | 20:40 |
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| zaneb | lol | 20:41 |
| shardy | The crazy large sahara clusters one is interesting, I'd be interested in hearing more about that ahead of the summit | 20:41 |
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| skraynev_ | We may re-sort and split this topic on maximum 2 or 3 sessions | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | A general session on handling large stacks would be good, and we can cover sahara needs in that | 20:42 |
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| skraynev_ | but... it's still not enough | 20:42 |
| shardy | Some of that sounds similar to issues encountered by TripleO | 20:42 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1 | 20:42 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: is it separate cross-project session ? | 20:43 |
| shardy | with some definition of "large", and perhaps folks can describe their observed performance, heat deployment scale and bottlenecks | 20:43 |
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| tspatzier | I recently discussed the relation between heat and senlin with Qiming. One point is whether senlin could at some point be used transparently as scaling driver underneath current ASG resources. Just as thought, and would need input from Qiming | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: scaling large stacks? That sounds more heat-specific | 20:43 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: I think it's mostly heat specific | 20:43 |
| shardy | large resource groups, deep nesting etc | 20:44 |
| shardy | but there is the nova can't cope issue referenced as well | 20:44 |
| shardy | e.g the batched create thing | 20:44 |
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| shardy | tspatzier: +1 revisiting the autoscaling discussion would be good, particularly in the light of the steps towards an internal scaling/group lib made by zaneb and ramishra | 20:45 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: shardy: is it number 7 ? or you mean add new one ? | 20:46 |
| shardy | and, status of Senlin too, not heard much about that lately | 20:46 |
| zaneb | add a new one | 20:46 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:46 |
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| skraynev_ | tspatzier: agree with shardy, please add it ;) | 20:46 |
| shardy | skraynev_: Yeah IMO it's a new one, AutoScaling/Group architecture/roadmap | 20:46 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: we can add overlapping duplicates now, and you get to de-duplicate into available session slots ;) | 20:47 |
| tspatzier | skraynev_, I'll do | 20:47 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: ok. could you add this one? | 20:47 |
| shardy | skraynev_: added #14 | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: yeah. I like this way :) | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | fuh :) now it looks more interesting | 20:49 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: thx | 20:49 |
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| tspatzier | shardy was quicker than me | 20:49 |
| shardy | Does hooks and notifications include user-visible warnings? | 20:49 |
| skraynev_ | if you have other idea, to not hesitate to add them :) | 20:49 |
| shardy | I was discussing that today in the context of how you can deprecate/rename stack parameters, if you expect them to be widely consumed | 20:50 |
| shardy | I can add another item on that if needed | 20:50 |
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| * shardy adds & we can merge | 20:50 | |
| skraynev_ | :) | 20:50 |
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| skraynev_ | ok. last one item in agenda | 20:51 |
| skraynev_ | #lbaas spec v2 | 20:51 |
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| skraynev_ | markvan: ping | 20:51 |
| markvan | hi, with new lbass v2 resources coming: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230197/ | 20:51 |
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| markvan | was wondering about how to handle the heat integration tests with devstack. It seems that with v2 enabled, v1 has to be disabled. | 20:52 |
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| markvan | so, that would mean current autoscale lb scenario for v1 would need to be skipped when trying to run the lbaas v2 scenario. | 20:52 |
| markvan | Trying to understand how to best handle this type of case | 20:53 |
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| skraynev_ | does neutron allow to configure both versions of lbaas plugin in the same time? | 20:53 |
| skraynev_ | if not - we can not do it on the gate too | 20:53 |
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| markvan | I did not think so, but I will have to confirm that. For devstack, it seems the answer is no. | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: if I end up driving a docs and heatclient session then I wouldn't necessarily want to drive the testing one | 20:54 |
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| pas-ha | markvan, gates are running on devstack as well | 20:56 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: sorry, I am not sure, that understood you. could you re-phrase please ? | 20:56 |
| markvan | skraynev_: would it be possible to run a second interation of the integartion test to allow for this new | 20:56 |
| markvan | lbaas v2 environment? | 20:56 |
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| markvan | basically setup new devstack with v2 enabled and v1 disabled | 20:57 |
| pas-ha | not sure it would be wise to spin up an extra gate job for just couple of tests.. | 20:57 |
| skraynev_ | markvan: I'd suggest to add experimental job for it. | 20:57 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: I'm potentially a Driver for 3 of the sessions and I'm trying to share the love | 20:58 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: oh :) np. I am ready to take part of it ;) | 20:58 |
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| markvan | skraynev_: yeah, that would work. At some point I would think the old lbaas v1 will be deprecated and removed, then devstack will have v2 enabled by default for testing this. | 20:59 |
| pas-ha | markvan, is it possible to understand the version of lbaas by quering keystone catalog or the API itself? | 20:59 |
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| markvan | pas-ha: I think it's possible by calling into the neutron api, to see if that lbaas v2 extension is enabled. | 20:59 |
| shardy | pas-ha: +1 it must be possible to somehow detect that, and conditionally skip | 20:59 |
| zaneb | skraynev_: looks like we solved your more-slots-than-sessions problem | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | markvan: I would make them separate tests, and use the conf file to enable the one that has the enabled endpoint | 21:00 |
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| skraynev_ | #endmeeting heat | 21:00 |
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| zaneb | now have opposite problem | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 7 21:00:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-10-07-20.00.html | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-10-07-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-10-07-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: it's fine | 21:00 |
| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 21:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone. who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
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| wbhuber | o/ | 21:01 |
| minwoob | o/ | 21:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:01 |
| ho | o/ | 21:01 |
| hrou | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| m_kazuhiro | o\ | 21:01 |
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| kota_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:01 |
| joeljwright | hey | 21:01 |
| peluse | yo | 21:01 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:01 |
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| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | a few things added to the agenda. we'll get to those | 21:02 |
| notmyname | but first... | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic liberty release | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | good news, everyone! we've got a release! | 21:02 |
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| joeljwright | yay! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | 2.5.0 is tagged | 21:02 |
| kota_ | great | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | unless someone finds a bug and comes up with a patch in ...oh... the next 24 hours, that's what we're using for liberty | 21:03 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for working on it | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | ...sorry, kid just walked in the room ;-) | 21:04 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:04 |
| notmyname | so as a retrospective on this | 21:04 |
| notmyname | during the liberty cycle we had 2 releases | 21:04 |
| notmyname | that's lower than normal | 21:04 |
| notmyname | the first one, 2.4.0, was in development for 4 months | 21:04 |
| notmyname | then 2.5.0 was 1 month | 21:04 |
| notmyname | so if you thought it felt rushed, it did :-) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | lots of things conspired to make it a crunch, but I'll take blame for it. | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to get better at figuring out how to pace things better and avoid a friday night at midnight review session | 21:05 |
| notmyname | (or saturday am for some) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | so ideas, and all that: more than welcome :-) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | any thoughts or questions about the 2.5.0 release? | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | There should be no blame, things happen. All we can do its work together, so nice work all :) | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | I've intentionally not starred any patches yet since the release. go find something interesting or work on the stuff that needs just one more +2 ;-) | 21:08 |
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| torgomatic | you need a keyboard macro to type out "it's released when it's ready; time-based releases are awful" | 21:08 |
| torgomatic | maybe bind it to a foot pedal for easy repetition | 21:08 |
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| mattoliverau | lol | 21:08 |
| notmyname | (*or* the stuff that needs one more +2) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | thanks again. I'm actually pretty happy with what's in it. there's some things we know we need to get done, but I'm really happy we solved or mitigated all of the major stuff | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to spend some time this week on summit planning, but before we get to that, let's go to hrou and robefran for symlinks | 21:09 |
| notmyname | #topic symlinks | 21:09 |
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| hrou | robefran, do the honors ? : ) Thanks notmyname. | 21:10 |
| notmyname | robefran: hrou: you added this to the meeting. what's up? | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_symlinks | 21:10 |
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| robefran | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232162/ | 21:10 |
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| robefran | just sumbit patch with prelim symlink implementation and functests | 21:10 |
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| robefran | primary goal is to create func tests to define details of symlink behaviour | 21:11 |
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| robefran | prelim implementation is just to exercise the func tests | 21:12 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:12 |
| hrou | yep, more of just an FYI for folks and to share feedback, feel free to look at the etherpad where we have some open design questions (or the code of course). | 21:12 |
| robefran | expect lots of changes, refactorization, improvements of the implementation | 21:12 |
| notmyname | ok. are there any specific questions you'd like to discuss here today? | 21:12 |
| robefran | nothing specific, we'll work through the etherpad, and the gerrit review | 21:13 |
| robefran | just wanted to let people know that it is out there | 21:13 |
| notmyname | great, thanks | 21:13 |
| notmyname | I'm looking forward to it | 21:13 |
| notmyname | let's move on then | 21:13 |
| notmyname | #topic encryption | 21:13 |
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| mattoliverau | interesting, thanks for looking into it | 21:13 |
| notmyname | jrichli: this one is you. take it away | 21:13 |
| jrichli | ok, thx | 21:13 |
| jrichli | we are busy working tasks on the trello board | 21:14 |
| jrichli | one of them in particular is stuck until we get feedback on direction | 21:14 |
| jrichli | Conditional GETs on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_encryption_issues | 21:14 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: that's a lot of words on the etherpad about conditional gets :-) | 21:15 |
| jrichli | please feel free to add comments - leave your handle. discuss in IRC, whatever. hrou is heading that effort | 21:15 |
| notmyname | what's the summmary? | 21:15 |
| jrichli | hrou? | 21:15 |
| hrou | Thanks jrichli, yep ! Actually acoles was looking to schedule some time to meet either way, but for other folks if you have any thoughts that'd be great | 21:15 |
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| jrichli | basically, it proposes changes to the encryption of etag | 21:16 |
| jrichli | and this involves maybe deriving keys for the encryption of other things - like body and metadata so that the same key can be used without comprimising security | 21:16 |
| jrichli | hrou - anything to add to that summary? | 21:16 |
| hrou | notmyname, jrichli nope that's perfect, yea the "lots of words" : ) Is because it changes the crypto scheme somewhat, and more because there was a lot of back and forth about other options. | 21:17 |
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| acoles | it looked pretty promising when i first read a few weeks back. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | sounds like we should all (re)read over that etherpad this week | 21:18 |
| jrichli | that would be great. There are also a couple other etherpads to read: | 21:18 |
| notmyname | hrou: is there anything specific you need here today in the meeting? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | jrichli: ^ | 21:19 |
| hrou | notmyname, acoles I wonder if we should cleanup the etherpad to make that "re-reading" easier for others, there's some stuff we can remove really at this point, though if you'd like to see the history .. | 21:19 |
| hrou | notmyname, nope! | 21:19 |
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| acoles | hrou: looking... | 21:19 |
| notmyname | hrou: yeah, that might help everyone (ie me) understand what the current thinking is | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:20 |
| acoles | hrou: yes! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok, me and mattoliverau ;-) | 21:20 |
| hrou | notmyname, cool, let us crypto folks talk it over I think we can improve it : ) Make life easier on the rest. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:20 |
| jrichli | sounds good. So, there is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_production_keymaster_issues for Production Keymaster Discussion | 21:20 |
| jrichli | since we haven't talked much about what a production keymaster would be like | 21:20 |
| jrichli | hopefully we can nail down some decisions | 21:20 |
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| jrichli | an overview of what IBM has prototyped is at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_production_keymaster_overview | 21:21 |
| notmyname | great | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | if in whatever cleaned-up version you have, putting those up at the top would be helpful | 21:21 |
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| mattoliverau | phew /me got some reading | 21:22 |
| jrichli | :-p | 21:22 |
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| hrou | : ) | 21:22 |
| jrichli | that's all I got. thx! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | jrichli: hrou: thanks for driving the encryption stuff | 21:22 |
| jrichli | yw! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #topic summit prep | 21:23 |
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| hrou | thanks! | 21:23 |
| notmyname | most of us (I think) will be together in tokyo in a few weeks | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | we haven't done much by way of planning yet | 21:23 |
| notmyname | we need to get on that :-) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-summit-swift | 21:23 |
| notmyname | there's an etherpad where we can put together ideas of topics to discuss | 21:23 |
| notmyname | here's what it's going to look like, I'm told, in the sessions | 21:24 |
| notmyname | it will be similar to what we had in the vancouver workrooms, but this time there will be a screen as well | 21:24 |
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| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:25 |
| notmyname | and learning from vancouver, I'd like to group similar topics together so we can be a little more flexible with the time and not have to mentally context switch so quickly | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | great idea | 21:25 |
| notmyname | here's the schedule | 21:25 |
| notmyname | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tpLN5emWhcMmSmkn8z_HuclcjnEPevP77BhdnFN9KCs/pubhtml?gid=5&single=true | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | we have 2 fishbowl sessions. one of which we'll us for ops feedback | 21:26 |
| notmyname | so we'll have one more for a big audience | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | then we have 12 workroom sessions | 21:26 |
| notmyname | and then all day friday as free-form | 21:26 |
| notmyname | so basically, we've got all tay wednesday thursday and friday for swift stuff (except for the first 2 slots on thursday | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | also means that if you've got a talk you're giving or want to see, you'll likely miss something | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | on the etherpad we've got some ideas right now | 21:28 |
| notmyname | or proposals, rather | 21:28 |
| notmyname | and I've put down some ideas at the bottom | 21:28 |
| notmyname | what I'd like to see is that next week we have enough to build a schedule | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ie to sort them | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: I really want to spend some more time on swiftclient, so I'd love to work with you on a few topics there | 21:29 |
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| joeljwright | notmyname: unfortunately I can't make it :( | 21:29 |
| notmyname | :-( | 21:29 |
| notmyname | that is unfortunate | 21:29 |
| notmyname | I'd still love your input :-) | 21:30 |
| joeljwright | I'll do whatever I can | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | virtual joeljwright? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | dfg_: one of my ideas was to talk about the hummingbird sync protocol and what's possible there to unify things and make everything better | 21:30 |
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| joeljwright | mattoliverau: :) | 21:31 |
| notmyname | we should probably have some EC summary topics | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | if you have an idea, but you htink it might need more than one time slot, indicate that so we can schedule properly | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | I'm hoping to start some early sharding POC #3 benchmarking this/next week, so hopefuly that will go well. in any case there _should_ be something to talk about. | 21:32 |
| notmyname | any thoughts or questions? will you be able to add some ideas to the list this week? | 21:32 |
| dfg_ | notmyname: oh ok. we'd prob have enough material to talk about if you wanted | 21:33 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: good! | 21:33 |
| notmyname | dfg_: cool | 21:33 |
| notmyname | basically, you know how we do the "what are we going to talk about" at the beginning of the hackathons? that's what we've got to do on the etherpad this week | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | do we get stickers? | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:34 |
| notmyname | no stickers. but there's a tshirt | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | +1 | 21:34 |
| notmyname | http://d.not.mn/tshirt_hint.jpg | 21:34 |
| dfg_ | well i think some of the things we've seen with hummignbird have been cool and may be interesting even if you weren't running it. so if there's room for it then we could do one | 21:35 |
| acoles | notmyname: c'mon the hint should be bigger each week :P | 21:35 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:35 |
| jrichli | acoles +1 | 21:35 |
| notmyname | dfg_: yeah! | 21:35 |
| jrichli | acoles: you have already seen it! | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | how mysterious and exciting :) | 21:35 |
| notmyname | dfg_: the whole idea of "make sure we're all talking the same language on the backend" is a good one. that includes the replication protocol | 21:35 |
| notmyname | dfg_: I'm excited about what' you've found and how it's working for you :-) | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone on summit planning or prep? | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | ok then :-) | 21:38 |
| notmyname | have a good week. let's talk about ranking the summit topics next week | 21:38 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on swift | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
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