Thursday, 2015-10-08

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thinrichs	Hi all. Time for the Congress meeting.	00:01
shelleea007	hello all	00:01
thinrichs	#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting	00:01
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ramineni	hi	00:02
su_zhang	hello all	00:02
masahito	hi	00:02
su_zhang	it has been another week. time flies	00:02
jwy	o/	00:02
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thinrichs	On my agenda today…	00:03
thinrichs	1. liberty	00:03
thinrichs	2. kilo	00:03
thinrichs	3. devstack for m1	00:03
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thinrichs	4. stable maintenance team	00:03
thinrichs	5. status: distributed arch and python3	00:03
thinrichs	Anything to add?	00:04
thinrichs	If you think of anything, let me know.	00:04
masahito	nothing from me.	00:04
thinrichs	#topic Liberty	00:04
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thinrichs	I did another round of manual testing this week and found a few bugs.	00:05
thinrichs	https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs/?field.tag=liberty-rc2	00:05
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thinrichs	I decided the one with devstack we could reasonably just ignore and include a warning in the release notes.	00:06
thinrichs	The other 3 we have volunteers for.	00:06
thinrichs	Anusha, Eric: want to give status updates on those?	00:06
ramineni	thinrichs: yesterday, was trying to reproduce the issue, but didnt get the same error on my env	00:08
ekcs	yea. I commited my fix to the murano issue just now.	00:08
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ekcs	waiting jenkins to verify.	00:08
thinrichs	ekcs: great! I'll take a look in the morning. If anyone else can look at it tonight, that'd be great.	00:08
ramineni	thinrichs: but facing some other issue, will be working on it today	00:08
thinrichs	Here's the link to ekcs's patch for master:	00:09
thinrichs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232279/	00:09
thinrichs	That reminds me,,,	00:10
ramineni	thinrichs: will try to resolve by today	00:10
thinrichs	if you're using devstack, make sure to checkout the stable/liberty congress and murano branches.	00:10
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thinrichs	Neither Congress nor Murano seem to check out the proper branches...	00:10
thinrichs	unless you do it manually or include CONGRESS_BRANCH in your localrc	00:11
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thinrichs	ramineni: do you need anything from us?	00:11
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thinrichs	BTW I have a fix for one of the bugs too. So if people could review, that'd be good.	00:12
thinrichs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232022/	00:12
ramineni	thinrichs: no as of now, will ping you guys for any help , thanks :)	00:12
thinrichs	Turns out the problem doesn't exist on master, but does exist on stable/liberty.	00:12
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thinrichs	I tried to track down the commit we missed backporting to liberty, but it seemed to be spread across a couple of (larger) commits.	00:13
thinrichs	ramineni: sounds good.	00:13
ramineni	thinrichs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224985/2	00:13
ramineni	thinrichs: looks like this one on master right	00:14
thinrichs	ramineni: thanks! I cherry-picked it to stable/liberty.	00:14
thinrichs	Only downside is it doesn't include the unit test to catch the problem.	00:15
thinrichs	We can decide offline what to do.	00:15
ramineni	thinrichs: sure, np, but tests are part of larger commit	00:15
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ramineni	thinrichs: ya,ok	00:15
thinrichs	Next week we officially release Liberty	00:15
thinrichs	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule	00:15
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thinrichs	I'm hoping to get our final release candidate done this week and just do the release management stuff (bugs, blueprints, uploading code) next week.	00:16
thinrichs	Questions on liberty?	00:16
su_zhang	sorry I promised to do the tempest test. However, this week is crazy busy for me. If there is still remaining tasks, I will try my best to get it done soon.	00:16
thinrichs	su_zhang: you were looking into the kilo release, which is older.	00:17
ramineni	thinrichs: so, bugs shuld be fixed max by tomorrow?	00:17
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ramineni	thinrichs: taregted for rc2	00:17
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thinrichs	ramineni: end of week at the latest. I don't plan to do another whole round of manual testing.	00:17
thinrichs	Just some spot checking.	00:18
ramineni	thinrichs: ok	00:18
thinrichs	su_zhang: we don't have the time pressure for kilo like we do for liberty	00:18
thinrichs	Speaking of which…new topic	00:18
su_zhang	got u. thanks	00:18
thinrichs	#topic stable maintenance team	00:19
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su_zhang	I added security group management policies into congress use case doc	00:19
thinrichs	In many openstack projects there are a few people who are responsible for stable branches.	00:19
thinrichs	I'm just learning about this myself, but here's the doc I found.	00:19
su_zhang	if anyone could review it and give some comments, it will be great	00:19
thinrichs	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch	00:19
su_zhang	thanks for sharing	00:19
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thinrichs	su_zhang: Thanks. Let's all try to take a look and give feedback on the ML	00:20
su_zhang	cool, thanks	00:20
su_zhang	I will send its link through ML if needed	00:21
ekcs	sorry what’s ML?	00:21
su_zhang	mailing list	00:21
ekcs	oh ok	00:21
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thinrichs	Now that we have a couple of stable branches, it'd be good if we had a person or two for the stable maintenance team.	00:22
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thinrichs	So take some time to look over that doc and the responsibilities and let me know if you're interested.	00:22
thinrichs	Next up is the summit.	00:22
thinrichs	#topic Tokyo summit	00:23
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thinrichs	alexsyip_: how's the HOL? Get any feedback on your latest version?	00:23
alexsyip_	it’s basically done.	00:23
alexsyip_	ekcs ran through it and found two typos.	00:23
masahito	I used alexsyip_'s VM with others and it works well.	00:24
thinrichs	That's great news!	00:24
su_zhang	cool	00:24
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thinrichs	Are we planning to use the same slides as last year for an introduction?	00:25
thinrichs	Or perhaps that's up to me since I'm giving the intro.	00:25
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alexsyip_	You’re welcome to use the old slides.	00:26
thinrichs	Besides the VM and the slides, the other important thing is to have volunteers.	00:26
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thinrichs	The volunteers show up for the lab and walk around the room helping people get it running and answering questions.	00:26
thinrichs	Any volunteers?	00:26
ekcs	I’ll be there.	00:27
masahito	I'll do it.	00:27
pballand	I’ll be there	00:27
thinrichs	The more the merrier, so just show up the day-of if you feel like it.	00:28
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thinrichs	Anything else for the summit to discuss?	00:29
thinrichs	Oh—I was thinking about having a Congress dinner some night.	00:29
thinrichs	Is anyone interested?	00:29
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masahito	sounds interested.	00:29
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ramineni	sounds good	00:30
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thinrichs	I am thinking Wed night	00:30
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thinrichs	I'll ask again a bit closer to the summit, so we know when all the parties are.	00:31
thinrichs	#topic devstack	00:32
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thinrichs	Just found out that we're going to need to build a devstack plugin before the first milestone of M	00:32
thinrichs	#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076310.html	00:32
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thinrichs	If we don't, our tempest tests won't run in gate, and Congress won't work with devstack.	00:33
thinrichs	Currently we do a copy-paste to integrate with devstack	00:33
thinrichs	That will no longer work at M1	00:33
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thinrichs	Anyone want to build a devstack plugin?	00:34
ramineni	thinrichs: i can take it up, if no one wrkng on it	00:34
thinrichs	ramineni: Great!	00:34
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thinrichs	ramineni: maybe create a blueprint for it too	00:34
ramineni	thinrichs: sure	00:34
thinrichs	#topic Python3	00:35
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thinrichs	What's our status looking into antlr3 for Python3 compatibility?	00:35
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ramineni	thinrichs: https://github.com/antlr/antlr3/tree/master/runtime/Python3 ,	00:36
ramineni	thinrichs: it says python3 compatible	00:36
ramineni	thinrichs: dont we use this?	00:36
thinrichs	ramineni: there were a couple of options we discussed…	00:37
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thinrichs	moving to antlr4	00:38
thinrichs	pulling antlr out of the trunk (since we're checking in the generated code anyway)	00:38
thinrichs	This seems like a 3rd option.	00:38
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thinrichs	It would be nice to pull antlr out of the trunk	00:38
thinrichs	But someone was supposed to look into these options, I thought.	00:39
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thinrichs	Nevermind—no one volunteered to look into pulling antlr3 out. We just talked about it.	00:41
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thinrichs	Maybe I'll take a look once we get out from under the liberty deadline.	00:41
thinrichs	#topic Status updates	00:41
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thinrichs	We finally have some time to do status updates this week.	00:42
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thinrichs	Who's been making some progress they want to share?	00:42
thinrichs	And to get feedback from the group?	00:42
alexsyip_	I’ve been working on synchronizing rules and policies, but it’s not ready for review yet.	00:43
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alexsyip_	I have a change on gerrit for a startup script that is awaiting review.	00:44
thinrichs	alexsyip_: So in the new distributed arch, that addresses the problem of synchronizing multiple instances of the policy engine running on different machines but sharing the database. Right?	00:44
alexsyip_	that’s right.	00:44
su_zhang	One thing I want to mention is that update frequency should be configurable. Right now it is hardcoded in datasources.py as 1 second. This can be a DOS attack for certain environments	00:45
su_zhang	I could not find it is configurable in congress.conf	00:45
pballand	I’ve been refactoring the DseNode code to have a separate test suite, using the oslo.messaging fake driver - it’s not yet working, so nothing to share yet	00:45
alexsyip_	The synchronizer runs on a configurable interval.	00:45
alexsyip_	There is a “poll_time” configuration value in the config file.	00:46
su_zhang	okay, I will look into it. Thanks	00:46
ekcs	here are some documentation fixes that help users avoid some of the errors I ran into while following stand-alone congress install instructions. Be great if someone can review. Hoping to get it in liberty release.	00:46
ekcs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/congress+branch:stable/liberty+topic:amended-sample-conf-instruction-liberty,n,z	00:46
ekcs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/congress+branch:master+topic:amended-sample-conf-instruction,n,z	00:46
ekcs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/congress+branch:stable/liberty+topic:README.rst-install-instruction-fix-liberty,n,z	00:46
ekcs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/congress+branch:master+topic:README.rst-install-instruction-fix,n,z	00:46
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ramineni	thinrichs: working on rpcfying row model api blueprint, almost done with code, will put up for review by next week	00:47
thinrichs	ekcs: I'll make a pass through review tomorrow morning	00:47
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thinrichs	Everyone should take another look at alexsyip_'s script. Several people have commented already, and he's provided a new patchset in response.	00:48
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masahito	thinrichs: got it.	00:48
thinrichs	pballand: It's great we're still making progress on the DSENode. It's crucial to the new arch. Let us know if you need anything.	00:48
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thinrichs	ramineni: great! Having the API working seemingly over RPC puts us in a good spot to pull pballand's changes in.	00:49
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thinrichs	jwy: have you heard from Yali?	00:52
thinrichs	That change for the new UI is still sitting in review.	00:52
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thinrichs	#topic open discussion	00:52
jwy	thinrichs: not for a while. she said she'd update it soon, not sure what happened with that	00:52
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thinrichs	jwy: mind pinging her? I think she wanted to touch base in Tokyo.	00:53
jwy	sure. the last i spoke with her, she also said that she wouldn't be able to attend the summit	00:53
thinrichs	maybe I'm confused then	00:53
thinrichs	Anything else to discuss, anyone?	00:54
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ekcs	yea	00:54
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thinrichs	ekcs: what's up?	00:55
ekcs	actually nvm.	00:55
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thinrichs	OK	00:55
ramineni	thinrichs: one question on heat polling issue, once enabling heat driver, that issue sees during polling ,	00:55
ramineni	thinrichs: or any other config to be done?	00:56
thinrichs	I just created the Heat datasource and then created a deployment, I think.	00:56
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thinrichs	One minute.	00:56
ramineni	thinrichs: ok, i didnt do deployment , will try that	00:57
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thinrichs	Here's the command I think I used.	00:58
thinrichs	heat deployment-create -s 37990ba3-b816-441c-bdb6-86c2170b0bd1 doug	00:58
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thinrichs	The UUID is for a server.	00:58
thinrichs	So you may need to create a server first.	00:58
ramineni	thinrichs: stack right	00:58
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ramineni	i mean stack-create?	00:59
thinrichs	To create a server, something like...	00:59
thinrichs	nova boot beta --flavor=m1.tiny --image=cirros-0.3.4-x86_64-uec	00:59
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thinrichs	I think I did a 'deployment', not a 'stack'.	00:59
thinrichs	We should probably do both	00:59
ramineni	thinrichs: oh, ok	00:59
thinrichs	I think our driver tries to pull both of them in.	00:59
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thinrichs	Out of time.	00:59
thinrichs	Thanks all!	01:00
ramineni	thinrichs: thanks, will try that	01:00
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thinrichs	#endmeeting	01:00
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gordc	#startmeeting ceilometer	15:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Oct 8 15:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"		15:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'	15:00
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sileht	o/	15:01
ildikov	o/	15:01
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ildikov	sileht: snap ;)	15:01
eglynn	o/	15:01
pradk	o/	15:01
llu-laptop	o/	15:01
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cdent	o/	15:03
gordc	let's go	15:03
gordc	#topic liberty release	15:03
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gordc	just a heads up, we tagged rc2 earlier this week	15:03
gordc	it'll be our liberty release unless we find some huge blocker in next week or so	15:04
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gordc	now that we have that done, we need to document changes	15:04
gordc	i've started here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Telemetry_.28Ceilometer.29	15:04
gordc	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Telemetry_.28Ceilometer.29	15:04
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gordc	if you have time, take a look and add items you think are important ie. gnocchi/aodh changes	15:05
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gordc	i'm pretty much just running through the blueprints we've completed and also the deprecated items	15:05
gordc	cool?	15:05
gordc	cool.	15:05
ildikov	gordc: cool :)	15:06
cdent	cool	15:06
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llu-laptop	cool +1	15:06
gordc	awesome	15:06
gordc	now for discussion	15:06
eglynn	maybe drop the "improved" in "improved metadata caching"?	15:06
ityaptin	Hi all!	15:06
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eglynn	(since I don't think we did any caching previously)	15:06
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gordc	eglynn: sure. (i probably just copied it from bp()	15:07
eglynn	cool yeah, got it	15:08
eglynn	"declarative meters" covers both SNMP and notifications I guess	15:08
gordc	yeah, i'll add snmp explicitly	15:09
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eglynn	cool	15:09
llu-laptop	is PowerVM hypervisor support in another repo? Should we put in the ceilometer main feature list?	15:09
eglynn	pollsters-no-transform worth a mention too?	15:09
eglynn	(or more like foundational work for the mitaka agent split out?)	15:10
gordc	eglynn: yeah, i should add i didn't finish running through all the specs	15:10
eglynn	coolness	15:10
gordc	llu-laptop: i think so. we did the same when we added hyper-v/vsphere	15:10
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llu-laptop	So maybe we should put it clear that powerVM in another repo, like independant plugin?	15:12
gordc	llu-laptop: i should also mention i added a section in Ceilometer wiki to point out any 'extensions' of ceilometer	15:12
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gordc	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer#Ceilometer_Extensions	15:12
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cdent	that was a good idea	15:12
llu-laptop	gordc: nice	15:12
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gordc	cdent: we aren't allowed to put it officially in docs.openstack.org if it's not in bigtent so i put it there.	15:12
gordc	i don't know if there's a better place. feel free to move it accordingly	15:13
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ildikov	gordc: +1, we can refer to the wiki from OS Manuals I think	15:13
gordc	ildikov: sounds good.	15:13
llu-laptop	forgive my ignorance, what's the relationship between ceilometer and cloudkitty	15:13
gordc	llu-laptop: from what i know, they take ceilometer metrics and attach rating/billing rules to it.	15:14
llu-laptop	gordc: got that, thx	15:14
gordc	it's specifically to create billing reports i think.	15:14
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gordc	i guess we can move on to discussing summit	15:16
gordc	#topic design summit planning	15:16
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gordc	#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ea_P2k1kNy_SILEnC-5Zl61IFhqEOrlZ5L8VY4-xNB0/edit?pli=1#gid=0	15:16
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gordc	i didn't actually close submissions as originally planned on Monday	15:17
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gordc	but that's a list of items we have so far... it pretty much matches the number of slots we have at summit (maybe a few extra)	15:17
gordc	considering there's a pretty clean match, i don't know if we really need to vote on anything	15:17
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gordc	we might want to discuss what items we want as fishbowls	15:18
eglynn	a proposer seems to be missing from some of the proposals	15:18
ildikov	gordc: do you think the Aodh one would cover the possible Monasca joint session?	15:18
gordc	eglynn: yeah, i copied them from etherpad. i don't know who proposed them	15:18
eglynn	a-ha, k	15:18
gordc	ildikov: have you heard from them?	15:19
gordc	we can slot it in that session	15:19
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gordc	if we do, maybe it makes sense to have that as a fishbowl.	15:19
ildikov	gordc: just a few mails with it would be good	15:19
ildikov	gordc: let's try to use that session	15:19
eglynn	monasca didn't get their own track, right?	15:19
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gordc	eglynn: no. they are going to be re-evaluted by tc in a few weeks	15:20
eglynn	a-ha, k	15:20
gordc	ildikov: sure. let's target that as a fishbowl session. if anything we can hash out alarming items as is.	15:21
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nadya	eglynn: interesting Monasca session: https://openstacksummitoctober2015tokyo.sched.org/event/1deef6e168ded414c1bb65baaf7c9f89#.VfwnjXthp8A	15:21
ildikov	gordc: cool, sounds good to me, thanks	15:21
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gordc	nadya: cool	15:22
eglynn	nadya: indeed interesting ... I think they 3 conference talks in total	15:22
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gordc	did anyone have any other topics to add to google docs?	15:23
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gordc	i'm thinking since we have roughly same amount of slots and topics...	15:23
nadya	gordc: maybe event-based transformers	15:24
cdent	gordc: just to say that many of those topics originated with me but I don't think I can "own" all of them	15:24
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gordc	we just put a theme to each slot and have the topic as the main item of theeme	15:24
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gordc	cdent: maybe we don't need an 'owner' for working room	15:25
gordc	just a bunch of discussino items	15:25
nadya	gordc: I will ask Igor to care about it. When document is closed for editing?	15:25
cdent	✔	15:25
gordc	nadya: i think i already add event transformers	15:25
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gordc	nadya: you can add his name as 'owner' if you'd like	15:26
nadya	gordc: transforming events?	15:26
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gordc	nadya: yeah, that one	15:26
nadya	gordc: ok, cool	15:26
ildikov	nadya: it's there, I saw it too :)	15:26
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nadya	yep, thanks!:)	15:27
gordc	so we have two fishbowls. any ideas on what are the biggest topics?	15:27
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gordc	UI could be a fishbowl if we sync in horizon.	15:28
eglynn	yeah, sounds like we'll horizon input into that	15:28
gordc	just a teaser, the survey, a lot of comments were saying ceilometer in horizon is unusable. so ceilometer is unusable.	15:28
pradk	that could be interesting	15:28
eglynn	was that "horizon integration" proposal from the ceilo or horizon team?	15:28
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gordc	eglynn: cdent i think... or some by product of os-ceilometer ramblings	15:29
eglynn	a-ha, k	15:29
cdent	It was a recording of ramblings	15:29
gordc	i'll probably need to reach out to horizon to discuss if they can come.	15:29
david-lyle	o/	15:29
gordc	there was also another UI project that jd__ and i were added to... i forget it though	15:29
eglynn	yeah, that would be good ... IIRC lsmola did a lot of that work originally	15:29
cdent	as in: people were talking about this, it seemed like it mattered, better write it down so it comes up again	15:29
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gordc	david-lyle: would you be interested in a ceilomter/horizon session?	15:30
* jd__ wakes up		15:30
david-lyle	yes	15:30
gordc	david-lyle: cool!	15:30
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* eglynn doesn't know if Ladislav is coming to summit		15:30
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david-lyle	I fully agree that the ceilometer view in Horizon is poor	15:30
jd__	gordc: ah yeah, but I received a mail from LP that the project has been deleted	15:30
jd__	gordc: so I guess the guy rage quit early	15:31
gordc	david-lyle: i'll sync up with you to see if we can find a slot that works for both teams.	15:31
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david-lyle	gordc: +1	15:31
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gordc	jd__: lol	15:31
gordc	that's pretty quick.	15:31
jd__	let's integrate Gnocchi with Horizon, problem solved?	15:31
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jd__	then Aodh, second problem solved	15:31
gordc	david-lyle: awesome. thanks for the quick feedback.	15:31
david-lyle	O_o	15:31
david-lyle	gordc: no problem	15:31
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eglynn	yep, lsmola is not travelling to Tokyo AFAICS	15:32
gordc	jd__: yeah we can discuss how to/not to properly integrate ceilometer/gnocchi/aodh	15:32
eglynn	sounds like a good candidate for fishbowl	15:32
gordc	so alarms/monasca and UI/horizon as fishbowl topics? any other candidates?	15:33
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cdent	gordc: is there an ops feedback session planned? that would be fish	15:34
eglynn	that was seperate on the ops track in YVR?	15:34
gordc	cdent: good question	15:34
gordc	cdent: i haven't heard back from product wg when they asked if we wanted one originally	15:34
pradk	yea indeed, i think i added it to etherpad	15:34
gordc	let me follow up on that.	15:34
eglynn	(i.e. we didn't need to burn a ceilo session on it in YVR IIRC)	15:35
pradk	ops track might already have something we can participate?	15:35
gordc	do we want to burn a slot for this if there isn't an official one? i'd think it' probably be a fishbowl if we did .	15:35
gordc	pradk: i need to confirm that.	15:35
pradk	cool	15:36
gordc	#action check with product wg to see if there's a ceilometer ops session	15:36
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eglynn	gordc: yep, would be a fishbowl if not already on the operator track	15:36
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* jd__ put his name in the gdoc		15:37
gordc	also need to sync with ops to see if they'll actually come (don't usually get much responses from my messages)	15:37
gordc	alternatively, we can use contributors meetup to discuss replies from survey (if we don't do ops meetup)	15:39
llu-laptop	yeah, we need to discuss the survey replies	15:39
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eglynn	gordc: contrib meetup is morning only? (i.e. not full day on the Friday)	15:40
gordc	eglynn: yeah. i asked for half... i feel like everyone was burnt out last time (although it is a shorter summit this time)	15:40
eglynn	if so, yeah that could work for the ops discusion	15:40
gordc	eglynn: cool cool	15:40
eglynn	yeah, exactly my thought ... I wouldn't schedule the ops discussion for the last afternoon when everyone turns zombie :)	15:41
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gordc	eglynn: cool. done.	15:42
gordc	so i think we have our two fishbowls and contributors meetup.	15:42
eglynn	coolness, sounds like a plan :)	15:43
gordc	i'll just push themes/topics to the working rooms.	15:43
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gordc	feel free to put what topics you're interested in and i'll assign ordering accordingly.	15:43
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gordc	once i have that done, you can tell me what needs to be changed or what conflicts.	15:44
gordc	sound good?	15:44
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cdent	✔	15:45
ildikov	gordc: +1	15:45
gordc	#action gordc set working room slots and announce proposals.	15:46
pradk	cool	15:46
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gordc	#action gordc sync with david-lyle to see what fishbowl slot works.	15:46
gordc	cool	15:46
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gordc	#topic ceilometer mentoring	15:46
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gordc	this is just to followup i guess.	15:46
gordc	jd__: i put your name and mine as mentors	15:47
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gordc	i was thinking having gnocchi dynamic resource creation as potential work item?	15:47
jd__	would be cool, I guess it depends on the level of the mentee	15:47
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gordc	maybe we can have one medium and one hard option? i don't know where ^ falls in... medium?	15:48
jd__	for know since we don't even know how to do it… not sure I can qualify it	15:48
jd__	but I've other things that could be 'medium'	15:48
gordc	jd__: ok.. cool cool.	15:48
gordc	there's actually a lot of names for 'ceilometer' so i don't know how exactly that works	15:49
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gordc	maybe we can create a test and pick smartest ;)	15:49
nadya	lol	15:50
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jd__	haha	15:50
eglynn	this is OPW amiright?	15:50
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eglynn	(or Outreachy now, I guess)	15:51
gordc	eglynn: yep. 'outreachy' i guess they rebranded	15:51
ildikov	eglynn: yeap	15:51
eglynn	cool	15:51
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gordc	jd__: kk. i'll send you an email and we can maybe come up with list of 2-3 potentials items	15:52
* jd__ nods		15:52
gordc	#topic open dicussion	15:52
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cdent	bowling!	15:52
* cdent is kidding		15:53
cdent	but there is a bowling alley in my hotel	15:53
gibi	hi	15:53
gibi	I have a spec up in nova to make the nova notification api versioned https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224755/	15:53
gordc	there's bowling in tokyo?	15:53
gibi	As ceilometer is one of the biggest notification consumer I guess you might be interested	15:53
gibi	:)	15:53
gordc	gibi: cool. thanks for headsup.	15:53
gordc	gibi: is this related/unrelated to versionedobjects?	15:54
gibi	it is based on versionedojects	15:54
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gordc	can you explain to me versionedobjects.lol half-joking another time.	15:54
ildikov	gibi: +1, versioned notifications make the world a better place	15:54
gibi	gordc: check the spec it has nice examples ;)	15:55
gordc	gibi: there's i believe a cross-project item on this as well	15:55
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gordc	something from heat (but user facing events specifically)	15:55
gibi	gordc: do you have a reference?	15:55
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gibi	gordc: I only found old etherpad and mailing list discussion from the past	15:55
gordc	gibi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231382/	15:55
gibi	gordc: thanks!	15:56
gordc	i think it's specifically for user facing messages but it'd be nice if there was consistency on related attrs regardless	15:56
gibi	gordc: totally agree	15:56
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gordc	gibi: is your spec targeting M* or N? or O?	15:57
gibi	I will check that spec	15:57
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ildikov	gordc: I guess that's a follow up on what was started in YVR	15:57
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gibi	gordc: currently targeting M*	15:57
eglynn	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224755/5/specs/mitaka/approved/versioned-notification-api.rst ... so targeting M*	15:57
ildikov	gordc: we definitely have agreement on this point regardless	15:57
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gordc	gibi: eglynn: cool cool	15:57
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gordc	we'll keep an eye on it.	15:58
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gibi	great, thanks. That was all from me. :)	15:59
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eglynn	o.vo for the win! :)	15:59
ildikov	eglynn: lol :)	15:59
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* gordc won't lie, i still don't understand how it works from db pov.		16:00
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gordc	specfically thishttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074503.html	16:00
gordc	darn out of time	16:00
gordc	thanks everyone	16:00
gordc	#endmeeting	16:00
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sridhar_ram	#startmeeting tacker	16:01
openstack	Meeting started Thu Oct 8 16:01:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	16:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	16:01
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sridhar_ram	#topic Roll Call	16:01
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vishwana_	o/	16:01
sridhar_ram	who is here for tacker mtg ?	16:01
sripriya	o/	16:01
bobh	o/	16:01
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tbh	o/	16:01
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sridhar_ram	gud' morning co-horts!	16:02
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sridhar_ram	lets start then..	16:02
sridhar_ram	#topic Agenda	16:02
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sridhar_ram	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Oct_8.2C_2015	16:02
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sridhar_ram	#topic Announcements	16:02
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sridhar_ram	A doodle poll is up for Mitaka summit developer meetup time slot..	16:03
sridhar_ram	#link http://doodle.com/poll/yv7mr45z2qeyhtrq	16:03
sridhar_ram	Please pick a slot that you can make it .. hint: there is no main conference events on Friday :)	16:04
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sridhar_ram	nothing else from my side ..	16:05
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sridhar_ram	any general heads up from anyone ?	16:05
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: do you want to update on the gate jobs enabled?	16:05
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: sure	16:06
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Rajkumar_	Hi Everyone	16:06
sripriya	sridhar_ram: probably also let us know which is voting and non voting...?	16:06
sridhar_ram	folks - we now have many gate tests enabled for tacker repo - the check pipeline (when you upload a patchset) now runs pep8, py27 (unit tests) and dsvm-functional	16:07
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sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: hi!	16:07
sridhar_ram	dsvm-functional - will bring up a full functional devstack and run 'tox -e functional' which creates vnfd templates and starts vnfs ..	16:08
Rajkumar_	Just curious - Our tacker is on Liberty release?	16:08
sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: lets touch on that in a bit	16:08
Rajkumar_	Sure. Thanks Sridhar..	16:08
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sridhar_ram	whenever you upload a patchset make sure jenkins posts SUCCESS for all these three test runs (pep8, py27, dsvm-functional)	16:09
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sridhar_ram	dsvm-functional - is currently marked as non-voting - meaning it won't block us from merging. Cores can decide to give exceptions to merge a patchset even if dsvm-functional reports FAILURE (case-by-case)	16:10
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sridhar_ram	once we get confidence, we will switch even that to voting ...	16:11
sridhar_ram	any questions on this ?	16:11
sridhar_ram	this is actually a big deal, we were hoping to get these for a long time... thanks sripriya (for py27) and santosh (for functional) !	16:12
sripriya	sridhar_ram: thanks for the update!	16:12
sridhar_ram	#topic Liberty Release Status	16:12
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sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: we are waiting for health-mon patchset and few critical bugs to fix before we can pull a stable/liberty	16:13
sridhar_ram	the plan is do a release by end of next week.. at least pull the release branch	16:14
Rajkumar_	Ok Sridhar.	16:14
Rajkumar_	Thanks	16:14
sridhar_ram	we still haven't decided on posting the tarballs in pypi	16:14
Rajkumar_	I could not see anything about tacker in the liberty release note	16:15
Rajkumar_	that was the reason asked about it	16:15
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sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: no, given we are not in governance tent we won't be listed there anyway..	16:15
shrinathsuresh	Hello Sridhar and team	16:15
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Rajkumar_	ok. Do we have any release notes for tacker?	16:16
sridhar_ram	I'm anticipating after pulling stable/liberty we will still make dot releases ... for stability and other cross-project needs (like OPNFV-SFC needs Tacker-SFC in liberty)	16:16
Rajkumar_	Hi Shrinath	16:16
sridhar_ram	shrinathsuresh: hi there	16:16
sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: no, but that's a good point..	16:17
sridhar_ram	anyone here know the process to write a release notes for openstack projects ?	16:17
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: can we link the tar files of the 3 projects on tacker launchpad page?	16:18
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Rajkumar_	Sridhar - we're not sure. but we can help if assistance is provided.	16:18
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: I need to find that out .. will take an AI	16:18
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sridhar_ram	meanwhile I would nominate the doc sub-team - sripriya & tbh - to help out here :)	16:19
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sridhar_ram	#action - sridhar_ram to follow up with infra how to post tacker release tarballs	16:20
Rajkumar_	Sridhar - Please share us the details in mail and our team will help on release notes.	16:20
sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: sure	16:21
Rajkumar_	Thanks	16:21
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sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: we are still looking for functional tests on parameterization from your side.. it will be great to get that in before stable/liberty pull (next week)	16:22
sripriya	sridhar_ram: ack, doc sub-team hopefully grows :-)	16:22
shrinathsuresh	yes Sridhar. am working on it. will send few test cases tomorrow	16:22
Rajkumar_	Sure Sridhar. I'll update it shortly	16:22
sridhar_ram	sripriya: I'll help as much I can :)	16:22
sridhar_ram	shrinathsuresh: Rajkumar_: thanks!	16:23
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sridhar_ram	anything else related Liberty Release ?	16:23
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sridhar_ram	#topic API Deprecation	16:24
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sridhar_ram	folks here will know we still have the old servicevm based APIs (and in turn CLI cmds) for "device" and "device-template"	16:25
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sridhar_ram	they have now been superceded by new MANO contructs like "vnf" and "vnfd"	16:25
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sridhar_ram	it is time to start the deprecation process...	16:25
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sridhar_ram	had a discussion with folks from unitedstack (in our #tacker channel) and they are open to switch over to the new MANO apis	16:26
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sridhar_ram	I propose we start deprecation process in liberty - by adding the warning headers in API and CLI in liberty - and remove these API in mitaka	16:27
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sridhar_ram	anyone have concerns removing it or removing it starting Mitaka cycle ?	16:28
sripriya	sridhar_ram: does that mean we deprecate the servicevm standards from the API layer only or should it be deprecated in servicevm references too in the entire project?	16:28
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: first order of business to remove it from our external interfaces - API layer	16:28
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sridhar_ram	the rest is more a clean up and tech debt cleanups - IMO	16:29
sridhar_ram	what do you think?	16:29
sripriya	sridhar_ram: sounds good, that affects tacker and python-tackerclient projects	16:29
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: agree, it need to removed from both these projects	16:30
sridhar_ram	I'll also send a note on this to the ML	16:30
sripriya	sridhar_ram: we still have the db layer untouched then	16:30
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: we can be opportunistic there .. if we can rename our db schema away from "device*" tables we can still do it	16:31
sridhar_ram	but it is not a must for deprecation to complete	16:31
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: should be doable, but again it would require db-migration after deprecation on master	16:32
sridhar_ram	sripriya: true, I'd rather do it sooner than later before more tacker adoption w/ real operators	16:33
sripriya	sridhar_ram: agree	16:33
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sridhar_ram	lets move to bugs (the topic of the week!)	16:33
sridhar_ram	#topic Bugs	16:33
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sridhar_ram	as called out last week ... we need some serious bug squashing...	16:34
sridhar_ram	I've marked some of the critical ones using the tag "liberty-critical" ..	16:35
sridhar_ram	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bugs?field.tag=liberty-critical	16:35
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sridhar_ram	there are bunch of them related to health-monitoring and VNF states / cleanup on deletion	16:36
sridhar_ram	lets discuss few of them here...	16:37
sridhar_ram	https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1503480	16:37
openstack	Launchpad bug 1503480 in tacker "Deletion of vnf having issues when doing in between Active-->Dead State" [Critical,New]	16:37
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sridhar_ram	bobh: tbh: this seems to happen with monitoring code	16:37
sridhar_ram	after a successful respawn .. looks deletion is getting stuck in pending_delete	16:38
bobh	sridhar_ram: I tried to reproduce but could not	16:38
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bobh	sridhar_ram: if the delete is happening while the respawn is in progress that may cause the problem	16:38
bobh	sridhar_ram: we might need to have a way to 'lock' the status during the respawn and not allow the delete until it completes	16:38
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bobh	sridhar_ram: new state :-)	16:39
sridhar_ram	bobh: make sense, mark it device busy	16:39
sridhar_ram	bobh: nooooo - no new state allowed !	16:39
bobh	sridhar_ram: :-)	16:39
bobh	sridhar_ram: I'll take a look at it	16:40
sridhar_ram	bobh: just ask the operator to come back later after a coffee!	16:40
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sridhar_ram	bobh: cool, thanks!	16:40
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sridhar_ram	https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1501079	16:41
openstack	Launchpad bug 1501079 in tacker "tacker mgmt-driver support in vnf-create flow" [Medium,New] - Assigned to bharaththiruveedula (bharath-ves)	16:41
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sridhar_ram	tbh: who have any further questions on this ?	16:41
sridhar_ram	s/who/you/	16:41
tbh	sridhar_ram: Iwant to test with vnf descriptors	16:42
tbh	sridhar_ram: I tried to look at the problem in vnf create, in config_device method, it is unable to get config params	16:42
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tbh	sridhar_ram: so, if we correct that, I think we can solve that issue	16:43
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sridhar_ram	tbh: yeah, there might be two part problem here .. vnf-config correctly carried over from CLI / horizon to the backend	16:44
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sridhar_ram	(2) the backend .. shd wait for ... boot_wait and try to invoke the configured mgmt driver	16:45
tbh	sridhar_ram: I tried with hrizon, I can see the config params reaching the backend	16:45
sridhar_ram	tbh: I don't think horizon has that support yet..	16:46
Rajkumar_	Sridhar - I've few critical requirements. This is very much needed and learnt from our experience 1) Consolidated Physical & Virtual Network inventory (Standard reconciliation is needed if not consolidated) 2) Interoperability of Tacker Orchestrator across different versions of cloud (hybrid cloud also if possible) 3) Workflow management & dynamic policy management (Convergence workflow & Jboss Drools if possible) 4)	16:46
Rajkumar_	we	16:47
Rajkumar_	we'll discuss it in next topic	16:47
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tbh	sridhar_ram: config params from yaml is passed to create_vnf	16:47
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tbh	sridhar_ram: and config_device is waiting for 30 sec https://github.com/stackforge/tacker/blob/master/tacker/vm/plugin.py#L243	16:47
sridhar_ram	bobh: btw, I'm realizing the boot_wait ... monitoring delay .. needs to apply for other things as well like mgmt_driver	16:47
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s3wong	Rajkumar_: great. User requirements.	16:47
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Rajkumar_	without those functionalities zero touch NFV orchestration is tedious	16:48
s3wong	Rajkumar_: "different versions of cloud"? You mean supporting something other than OpenStack?	16:49
sripriya	tbh: config and params are 2 different attributes supported from cli	16:49
bobh	sridhar_ram: agree - there may be a need to monitor different things and trigger config after one of them	16:49
sripriya	tbh: horizon only supports param attribute support	16:49
Rajkumar_	initially within openstack (juno,kilo, liberty) and later like AWS..etc	16:49
sridhar_ram	tbh: sripriya has some insights into these code flows .. perhaps you can sync up to make some progress	16:49
sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: s3wong: folks - hang in there.. lets have one mtg please	16:50
sripriya	tbh: we can discuss it on tacker IRC after the meeting	16:50
tbh	sripriya: okay using --config ?	16:50
sripriya	tbh: yes	16:50
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tbh	sripriya: sridhar_ram sure	16:50
Rajkumar_	Sure Sridhar..	16:50
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sridhar_ram	any other high priority bug ?	16:50
s3wong	10 minutes left	16:50
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sridhar_ram	looks for folks to flag critical / high priority if you see them!	16:51
bobh	sridhar_ram: may be some global issues with delete	16:51
sridhar_ram	bobh: good point.. there is a nasty one there	16:51
* sridhar_ram looking up...		16:51
sridhar_ram	here it is ...	16:52
sridhar_ram	https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1475798	16:52
openstack	Launchpad bug 1475798 in tacker "Deleting a VNF in PENDING_CREATE state does not delete the associated VM" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to vishwanath jayaraman (vishwanathj)	16:52
sridhar_ram	vishwana_: are you actively working on this ?	16:52
bobh	sridhar_ram: definitely related	16:52
vishwana_	yes	16:52
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sridhar_ram	thanks!	16:53
bobh	sridhar_ram: vishwana_ there is no validation done when executing delete, and different things need to happen based on the current state	16:53
sridhar_ram	bobh: yeah.. needs some locks here!	16:53
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sridhar_ram	alright .. lets get the floor back to Rajkumar_ & s3wong!	16:54
sridhar_ram	#topic Open Discussion	16:54
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s3wong	Rajkumar_ put up some user requirements about 5 minutes ago	16:54
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Rajkumar_	1) Consolidated Physical & Virtual Network inventory (Standard reconciliation is needed if not consolidated)	16:55
sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: s3wong: agree, quite useful list there!	16:55
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Rajkumar_	Inventory is big issue in our experience	16:55
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sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: there are good inputs.. lets put this in the Mitaka roadmap discussion and talk it out...	16:56
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sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: any one from Comcast going to attend Tacker meetups in Tokyo ?	16:56
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Rajkumar_	Sridhar - Do you want us to schedule meeting for those requirement?	16:56
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Rajkumar_	Sridhar - Let me check with my team and update you in mail if any of us coming there	16:57
sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: I'm wondering if anyone from your team going to Mitaka summit ..	16:57
sridhar_ram	we plan to discuss many of these face 2 face	16:57
Rajkumar_	when is this happening and venue?	16:57
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s3wong	Oct. 27th, Tokyo	16:57
sridhar_ram	#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/	16:58
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Rajkumar_	Sure. We'll update it shortly	16:58
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s3wong	Our informal design session will be on Friday?	16:58
Rajkumar_	if meeting is needed, I can send out invite for those req?	16:58
s3wong	Rajkumar_: sure... I think it is fair to say we need more detail on the requirements	16:58
sridhar_ram	s3wong: doodle poll is out (discussed earlier in the mtg)...	16:59
sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: can you stick in these requirements to Mitaka etherpad..	16:59
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sridhar_ram	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-tacker-design-summit	16:59
Rajkumar_	Sure	16:59
Rajkumar_	I'm doing it	17:00
sridhar_ram	times up...	17:00
sridhar_ram	tty all next week!	17:00
sridhar_ram	bye	17:00
sridhar_ram	#endmeeting	17:00
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		17:00
openstack	Meeting ended Thu Oct 8 17:00:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	17:00
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-10-08-16.01.html	17:00
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-10-08-16.01.txt	17:00
Rajkumar_	bye	17:00
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-10-08-16.01.log.html	17:00
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s3wong	time's up, I am jumping to another meeting...	17:00
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mtreinish	#startmeeting qa\	17:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Oct 8 17:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	17:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	17:01
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mtreinish	#endmeeting	17:01
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		17:01
openstack	Meeting ended Thu Oct 8 17:01:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	17:01
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa_/2015/qa_.2015-10-08-17.00.html	17:01
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa_/2015/qa_.2015-10-08-17.00.txt	17:01
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa_/2015/qa_.2015-10-08-17.00.log.html	17:01
mtreinish	#startmeeting qa	17:01
openstack	Meeting started Thu Oct 8 17:01:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	17:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	17:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)"		17:01
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'qa'	17:01
mtreinish	ok, without the typo this time	17:01
cdent	o/	17:01
rfolco	o/	17:01
mtreinish	who's here for today's meeting	17:01
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timello	o/	17:01
mtreinish	man, you guys are faster than me :)	17:01
mtreinish	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_October_8th_2015_.281700_UTC.29	17:01
mtreinish	^^^ Today's agenda	17:01
mtreinish	sdague, dtroyer: around?	17:02
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mtreinish	well, let's get started	17:03
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mtreinish	#topic Mitaka Summit Prep	17:03
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mtreinish	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-summit-topics	17:03
dwalleck	o/	17:03
mtreinish	just a reminder to add topics to the brainstorming etherpad	17:03
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mtreinish	we've got 8 slots and 9 proposals so if you add one your odds are pretty good :)	17:04
cdent	that list reminds me of a question: is the health dashboard running somewhere for public consumption somewhere?	17:04
mtreinish	I think we'll have to do the deciding soonish	17:04
mtreinish	cdent: not quite yet, there is still a bit of work on that front	17:04
mtreinish	you can spin it up locally using real data though	17:04
cdent	cool thanks	17:05
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mtreinish	cdent: if you want to test it locally I can give you a hand with that post-meeting	17:05
cdent	I'll give it a go some time later (after this I'm off to dinner)	17:05
* mtreinish had to learn some dark secrets of js packaging to work on it :(		17:05
mtreinish	ok cool	17:05
mtreinish	ok does anyone have anything to discuss on this topic?	17:06
* andreaf lurks around for now		17:06
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dpaterson	0/	17:07
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mtreinish	ok, I guess not	17:07
mtreinish	let's move on	17:07
mtreinish	#topic Specs Reviews	17:07
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mtreinish	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z	17:07
mtreinish	we actually have a new spec proposal this week from SpamapS:	17:07
mtreinish	#link https://review.openstack.org/230183	17:08
SpamapS	o/	17:08
mtreinish	the first one in a while	17:08
* mtreinish lets SpamapS sell his spec :)		17:08
SpamapS	Lets measure things!	17:08
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SpamapS	Please have a quick read if you're interested. I'm pushing hard to give us a picture of how hard we're hammering our backend services.	17:09
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dwalleck	sounds interesting. I'll have a peek	17:10
SpamapS	The goal is to have some data about this as change ocurrs, and then start doing some large scale changes to reduce (or even in some cases _remove_) use of backend services through various means and by adding some new ones.	17:10
SpamapS	For instance, keystone is ripe for more caching.	17:10
SpamapS	But we don't have much of a picture of how hard it actually hits the database versus the hit/miss ratio on memcached.	17:10
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SpamapS	And even more fun.. we're abusing rabbitmq and mysql for locking in Cinder and Heat, but using a DLM might have a significant positive impact on how much we utilize the mq and database.	17:11
SpamapS	Also, who doesn't love more graphs?	17:12
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mtreinish	yeah, and the nice thing is this will also provide a framework and template for how to expand this for other metrics in the future when new questions arise	17:12
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mtreinish	heh, everyone likes colors	17:12
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mtreinish	ok, does anyone have anything else on specs today? (either SpamapS's or in general)	17:13
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mtreinish	#topic Tempest	17:14
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mtreinish	ok does anyone have anything to discuss about tempest this week?	17:14
rfolco	mtreinish, have a question about devstack/tempest regarding flavors, not sure if can use this time :)	17:14
mtreinish	rfolco: go for it	17:15
mtreinish	rfolco: it's not like anyone else spoke up :)	17:15
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rfolco	I have a question about flavors on devstack/tempest. Since the memory requirements changed for ppc64, I sent a patch to stop creating nano/micro flavors and to start using DEFAULT_INSTANCE_TYPE=m1.tiny, 512MB - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226905. However, the flavor_ref_alt would be m1.small - 2G, which works fine, but too large… waste of RAM.	17:15
rfolco	Would be reasonable to introduce CUSTOM_FLAVOR_ALT=<ram_size> so I can have a smaller favor_alt for resize scenarios, as 768MB ?	17:15
mtreinish	rfolco: although I'm not sure I want to here about power and how you need giant guests to work on it	17:15
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mtreinish	rfolco: sure I think that's fine	17:16
rfolco	mtreinish, thanks	17:17
mtreinish	rfolco: heh, was that it? :)	17:17
rfolco	mtreinish, will submit the patch for review on this path then.. that's what I meant	17:17
mtreinish	rfolco: heh, nm	17:18
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mtreinish	ok is there anything else on tempest for this week?	17:18
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mtreinish	I guess one thing to note is that the tempest-lib service client migrations are in full swing	17:18
andreaf	mtreinish: just a heads up I started working on the migration of cred providers to tempest-lib	17:18
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mtreinish	so if people could keep an eye on tempest-lib that'll help that move quickly	17:19
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mtreinish	andreaf: ok cool, that'll be good to have	17:19
andreaf	mtreinish: will do	17:19
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andreaf	mtreinish: the only bit that is blocked is the tenant isolation provider, which requires the identity client to be in tempest-lib	17:20
mtreinish	andreaf: on that note, I started an etherpad somewhere with things we need to migrate to tempest-lib (when I was working on the ec2 tempest plugin)	17:20
andreaf	mtreinish: but that should happen soon	17:20
mtreinish	I'll have to dig that up and put it on the ML	17:20
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andreaf	mtreinish: ok thanks	17:20
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mtreinish	andreaf: can't we pass it the client object?	17:20
andreaf	mtreinish: sure that's the way it is now, but it would be a bit odd to have something in tempest-lib which depends on an object in tempest	17:21
mtreinish	andreaf: heh, that's how the rest client was for a long time until we migrated auth	17:21
mtreinish	but I agree it is weird	17:21
mtreinish	ok, is there anything else to discuss on tempest this week?	17:22
andreaf	mtreinish: anyways the identity client should be in tempest-lib relatively soon	17:22
mtreinish	andreaf: ok cool	17:22
mtreinish	ok, lets move on	17:23
mtreinish	#topic Devstack	17:23
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mtreinish	does anyone have something to discuss about devstack this week?	17:23
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mtreinish	dtroyer, sdague: ?	17:23
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mtreinish	ok, I guess not. Let's move on	17:25
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mtreinish	#topic Grenade	17:25
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mtreinish	anyone have anything to discuss on grenade this week?	17:26
mtreinish	I guess the big news here (and for devstack too) is that we've branched eveything for liberty	17:26
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mtreinish	so now on master changes we're running liberty->master	17:26
mtreinish	which sdague drove forward, there were some headaches IIRC	17:26
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mtreinish	ok, is there anything else on grenade?	17:27
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mtreinish	#topic OpenStack Health	17:28
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mtreinish	ok so does anyone have anything to discuss on the openstack-health dashboard	17:29
mtreinish	I can run down a quick status if anyone wants	17:29
andreaf	mtreinish: that would be nice	17:29
glauco	mtreinish: it would be great	17:29
dwalleck	So I was trying to follow the dev setup and somewhere between npm and gulp, I'm failing :)	17:29
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mtreinish	dtroyer: yeah the js install stuff is awful	17:30
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mtreinish	dwalleck: improves the docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231746/4	17:30
mtreinish	because those extra steps are so obvious	17:30
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dwalleck	ahh cool, I'll take a look	17:31
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mtreinish	dwalleck: there is a follow on step for mac too :)	17:31
mtreinish	as for the status right now we're still working on getting the 3 main pages working with real data	17:31
mtreinish	the first page (an overview of all runs with per project groups) is in a good place	17:31
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ccarrara	mtreinish: maybe we need some ui/ux improvements only.	17:32
dwalleck	mtreinish: hehe :)	17:32
mtreinish	the second page has the angular pieces but still needs api query support	17:32
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mtreinish	ccarrara: sure, this is all iterative	17:32
mtreinish	we need to get a starting point running	17:32
mtreinish	then we can make lots of improvements easily	17:32
ccarrara	mtreinish: We think the second page already has api support.	17:32
dwalleck	I don't know if there's any place you guys need specific help, but this something I absolutely need and would like to throw some cycles at	17:32
glauco	mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231668/	17:33
mtreinish	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231668/	17:33
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mtreinish	yes that's the patch in progress	17:33
mtreinish	I was discussing what's already landed	17:33
ccarrara	nice	17:33
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mtreinish	dwalleck: sure, that would definitely help	17:33
andreaf	dwalleck: sure I think help is always welcome	17:33
mtreinish	dwalleck: the more hands on deck we can get things running for real	17:33
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ccarrara	the lack of information about the tasks in progress and the target to achieve in the project can be a obstacle to income helps	17:34
dwalleck	cool. I'll be lurking around more, so I'll start poking around	17:34
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mtreinish	ccarrara: well we should be using an etherpad, but that kinda fizzled away	17:35
ccarrara	I don't know if we can improve this in any way	17:35
mtreinish	I'll see if I can fix that soon	17:35
ccarrara	agree	17:35
mtreinish	the other big thing is getting the real deployment stuff working	17:35
mtreinish	there are a couple patches in progress for that:	17:35
mtreinish	#link https://review.openstack.org/232255	17:35
andreaf	mtreinish: I think once we have the fist pages up and running we could start using specs, in the meanwhile the etherpad should be good to see what's going on	17:36
mtreinish	for real config support on the frontend	17:36
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mtreinish	oh it looks like the wsgi container support landed when I wasn't looking	17:36
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glauco	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227849/9/	17:36
glauco	currently working on the improvements suggested by mtreinish	17:36
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mtreinish	glauco: yep, that'll be how we deploy it with puppet	17:37
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mtreinish	there will be a corresponding system config patch to use it when it's ready	17:37
mtreinish	andreaf: oh, yeah specs might be a good review mechanism for adding pages	17:37
mtreinish	ok, so my summary was kinda a mess :)	17:38
mtreinish	but was there anything else to discuss on this topic?	17:38
ccarrara	mtreinish: maybe we couldn't help so much :)	17:38
andreaf	mtreinish: was there any news on ci-watch?	17:38
timothyb89	to interject, here's a running snapshot of the current master branch: http://208.94.241.194:8080/#/	17:39
timothyb89	for those looking for an example	17:39
mtreinish	#link http://208.94.241.194:8080/#/	17:39
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mtreinish	timothyb89: heh, that's actually really helpful I think	17:39
glauco	cool!	17:39
mtreinish	thanks	17:39
mtreinish	andreaf: I think they're still working on that on the infra side	17:39
andreaf	timothyb89: cool thanks	17:39
mtreinish	andreaf: or did you mean the ci-watch spec?	17:39
andreaf	mtreinish: I meant the actual service	17:40
andreaf	mtreinish: from the infra folks	17:40
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mtreinish	(it's not at all confusing that the spec for this work was labelled ci-watch and the 3rd party dashboard service is called ci-watch)	17:40
mtreinish	andreaf: I haven't been following it too closely	17:40
mtreinish	but I think they're making progress there	17:40
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andreaf	mtreinish: I guess we should have a new spec, reflecting the initial 4 pages, just for sake of tracking it?	17:40
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andreaf	mtreinish: a spec in the qa-specs repo	17:40
mtreinish	andreaf: is that you volunteering to write it?	17:41
andreaf	mtreinish: yep, indeed	17:41
mtreinish	because that would probably help	17:41
mtreinish	#action andreaf to write qa spec for the work in progress on openstack-health	17:41
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mtreinish	it's all sorts of official now :)	17:41
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mtreinish	ok, is there anything else on this topic?	17:42
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glauco	andreaf: I would like to help on this spec as well, if possible	17:43
mtreinish	ok, lets move on	17:43
mtreinish	#topic Critical Reviews	17:43
andreaf	glauco: sure I'll put up an initial draft	17:43
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andreaf	glauco: and we can take it from there	17:43
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mtreinish	does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?	17:44
dpaterson	yes	17:44
dpaterson	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224338/	17:44
mtreinish	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224338/	17:44
mtreinish	oh, that's an important one	17:44
glauco	yes. If we could get some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231668/	17:44
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mtreinish	we get at least 1 question a week because the docs recommended method of running tempest fails	17:45
andreaf	mtreinish: no so critical, but this is the series for preparing the cred provider migration, at least the part I have up until now: # link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-library,n,z	17:45
mtreinish	so if people could review dpaterson's patch that would be good	17:45
mtreinish	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231668/	17:45
mtreinish	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-library,n,z	17:45
mtreinish	andreaf: I think you messed up the formatting, i'm not sure it was gonna get picked up	17:45
andreaf	mtreinish: thanks	17:46
mtreinish	and I have 1 this week too:	17:46
mtreinish	#link https://review.openstack.org/232592	17:46
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mtreinish	which is kinda simple, but something I hit in testing the tempest_ec2 plugin I've been playing with	17:46
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mtreinish	ok, are there any other reviews to bring up?	17:47
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andreaf	mtreinish: +2	17:47
mtreinish	andreaf: thanks	17:48
mtreinish	ok, lets open the floor	17:48
mtreinish	#topic Open Discussion	17:48
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mtreinish	Does anyone have anything to discuss which wasn't on the agenda?	17:48
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mtreinish	ok, I guess let's end it here today	17:51
mtreinish	thanks everyone	17:51
mtreinish	#endmeeting	17:51
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daneyon	#startmeeting container-networking	18:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Oct 8 18:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	18:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	18:00
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking'	18:00
daneyon	Agenda	18:00
daneyon	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda	18:00
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daneyon	The agenda has not changed from last week	18:01
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daneyon	This is going to be a short meeting today.	18:01
daneyon	#topic roll call	18:01
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daneyon	o/	18:01
dane_leblanc	o/	18:01
Tango	o/	18:01
eghobo_	o/	18:01
daneyon	Thank you dane_leblanc Tango eghobo_ for joining the meeting.	18:02
daneyon	#topic Review Swarm patch.	18:02
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daneyon	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224367/	18:02
daneyon	I thought the patch would be done over a week ago	18:02
daneyon	However, I have struggled rebasing multiple times due to recent merges	18:02
daneyon	First it was the tls code	18:03
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daneyon	Now it's this merge	18:03
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hongbin	o/	18:03
daneyon	#link https://github.com/openstack/magnum/commit/156e315e98dfa7a0ebe759bb78639c66eb0d8b77	18:03
daneyon	thanks hongbin for joining	18:03
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daneyon	I am having problems with the wait condition for the master node... been troubleshooting it for over a day now :-(	18:04
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daneyon	Otherwise the patch works great and all the tox tests should pass.	18:04
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daneyon	In general, our heat templates are a BIG challenge. They are very complicated with serval areas that you need to touch.	18:05
daneyon	And we have soooo many different templates.	18:05
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daneyon	each, with tons of overlap.	18:06
hongbin	agree	18:06
Tango	Hopefully the consolidation will help	18:06
daneyon	I think this is a real issue that we need to address in Tokyo	18:06
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Tango	Is it a topic yet in the etherpad?	18:07
hongbin	Yes, it is already there	18:07
daneyon	yes it is Tango	18:07
Tango	ah, #17	18:07
daneyon	I know tcammann is working on front-ending the templates with jinja templates. I think this approach has it's own problems.... mainly another layer to touch.	18:08
Tango	If it's not covered in the design sessions, I think we have a work day at the end	18:08
daneyon	The heat team has suggested using provider resources and a resource registry... this is what tripleo does.	18:08
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hongbin	I like the provider resources approach	18:09
Tango	How does that work?	18:09
hongbin	It allows us to plug in a new networking model I think	18:09
daneyon	hongbin agreed.	18:09
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daneyon	let me find and post the link to tcammann's wip patch that uses jinja	18:10
daneyon	one moment	18:10
hongbin	Tango: It works by defining custom heat resources.	18:10
daneyon	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211771/	18:10
daneyon	Steven Hardy provided some good feedback regarding an alternate approach.	18:11
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daneyon	Also capture by adrian_otto in a bug	18:11
daneyon	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1501045	18:11
openstack	Launchpad bug 1501045 in Magnum "Tech Debt: Consider nested stacks instead of generated templates" [Wishlist,New]	18:11
daneyon	I think it comes down to someone from the community really diving into the templates and refactoring them.	18:12
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Tango	Maybe we can grab Steve Hardy in Tokyo for discussion	18:13
daneyon	In general using provider resource and registry will make our templates far more compossible. This will be critical as we support multiple variations of realizing a bay.	18:13
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daneyon	Tons of options from coe, distro, network-driver, etc..	18:13
daneyon	Tango good idea	18:14
Tango	It would be good to learn from the TripleO experience	18:14
daneyon	Tango can you make note of that on the etherpad?	18:14
Tango	Sure	18:14
daneyon	#action Tango to add a request to have Steve Hardy join our discussion related to refactoring heat templates.	18:15
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daneyon	As soon as I can figure out the issue I'm having making my patch work with https://github.com/openstack/magnum/commit/156e315e98dfa7a0ebe759bb78639c66eb0d8b77 I will post a new patch set that should be ready for merge	18:16
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daneyon	#topic Review Action Items	18:16
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daneyon	ACTION: danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.	18:16
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daneyon	I have spoke to gsagie. They are still working through the details on their end	18:16
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daneyon	I have also requested that adrian_otto finalize our schedule b/c/ kuryr is interested in joining our networking related sessions.	18:17
daneyon	I will carry the action forward until we finalize the details... hopefully next week.	18:18
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daneyon	#action danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.	18:18
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daneyon	#action danehans to follow-up with adrian_otto regarding summit schedule and details.	18:18
daneyon	#topic Open Discussion	18:18
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daneyon	Is anyone interested in adding a network driver other than flannel or kuryr?	18:19
Tango	What's next after flannel has been factored for k8s and swarm?	18:19
daneyon	After flannel is implemented using network-driver and labels, is their any other networking-related work that needs to be accomplished?	18:20
Tango	What's a good driver to consider?	18:20
daneyon	Tango flannel is implemented in k8s. How it's implemented in the heat templates can be improved. That should hopefully get addressed in the larger template refactor.	18:21
daneyon	swarm should be done any day now	18:21
daneyon	I need to work on mesos	18:21
daneyon	Tango I plan to implement a driver called netplugin	18:22
daneyon	#link https://github.com/contiv/netplugin	18:22
daneyon	netplugin is applicable to all bay types	18:23
hongbin	daneyon: any reason why you choose it to be the next one?	18:24
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daneyon	hongbin I know the driver pretty well and should be able to implement it fairly easy, the maintainers have offered their support to assist me, it works with all our bay types, etc..	18:25
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daneyon	folks from cisco are involved and I work for cisco.	18:25
hongbin	I see	18:25
daneyon	I am hoping that we can get other drivers merged in the near future too	18:26
daneyon	I think Calico would be high on the list.	18:26
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daneyon	#link https://github.com/projectcalico/calico-docker	18:27
daneyon	Does anyone have connections at metaswitch?	18:27
hongbin	I think OpenVSwitch is also high	18:27
eghobo_	maybe OVN	18:28
daneyon	hongbin from my understanding ovs will come through kuryr	18:28
daneyon	maybe ovs is a libnetwork driver too	18:28
daneyon	let me double check	18:28
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hongbin	daneyon: yes, ovs as a libnetwork driver :)	18:28
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daneyon	off hand, i'm not sure if the libnetwork overlay driver uses ovs	18:28
daneyon	#link https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/blob/master/docs/overlay.md	18:28
daneyon	I don;t think so	18:29
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daneyon	I believe it uses linux bridges and vxlan from kernel	18:29
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daneyon	hongbin unless i'm incorrect about the libnetwork overlay driver, none of the native libnetwork drivers implement ovs. Therefore, someone would need to add an ovs native driver or a remote driver would need to implement ovs.	18:30
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hongbin	daneyon: ack	18:30
daneyon	netplugin implements ovs and kuryr can implement ovs if neutron is configured to use the ovs agent.	18:31
daneyon	you can see ovs as a libnetwork driver here	18:31
daneyon	#link https://github.com/contiv/netplugin/tree/master/drivers	18:31
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hongbin	I see	18:32
hongbin	BTW, I have a feeling that we don't have agreement on which one will be the third one	18:33
daneyon	eghobo_ I would like to see OVN too	18:33
daneyon	A remote driver will need to implement OVN.	18:33
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daneyon	hongbin here are my thoughts on adding network-drivers	18:34
daneyon	As with other code, I am open to anyone from the community adding a driver as long as the code is solid.	18:34
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hongbin	I agree that is the goal for long term	18:35
daneyon	I think we as a community focus on supporting 1 driver, flannel and others that add add'l drivers are responsible for maintaining the driver.	18:35
daneyon	If the person(s) that add add'l drivers do not maintain the driver code they added, it gets pulled.	18:36
daneyon	b/c i don;t think we can support every drive that can get added.	18:36
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daneyon	i think this is similar to neutron	18:36
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hongbin	My worry is that we don't have the plugable architecture ready yet, so accepting too many drivers is a burden	18:37
daneyon	IMO I don;t think we need to agee on what drivers to add beyond flannel. I think it's up to dev's to freely add drivers as long as the code is solid. I think this is a similar approach to what we take for the rest of the magnum project.	18:38
daneyon	someone please correct me if I'm wrong.	18:38
daneyon	hongbin the pluggable arch is there for k8s. Soon it will be there for swarm, then mesos.	18:38
hongbin	but our templates is not plugable yet ...	18:39
daneyon	If someone wanted to add an add'l driver for k8s, it should work. It would also be good b/c then we can truly know multiple network-drivers actually work	18:40
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Tango	Has anyone tried a different overlay network on k8s?	18:40
daneyon	right now we only test passing network-driver flannel or we don't pass anything. A 2nd driver will be good for validation purposes.	18:40
hongbin	k	18:41
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daneyon	Tango I have used both UDP and VXLAN overlay options for the flannel driver.	18:41
daneyon	both work	18:41
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daneyon	as well as passing other configurable parameters such as the subnet lnegth, etc... all works	18:42
daneyon	for k8s	18:42
Tango	Right, I mean, say using netplugin on k8s	18:42
hongbin	I am thinking to add kuryr as the 2nd driver maybe	18:42
daneyon	and swarm minus this patch: https://github.com/openstack/magnum/commit/156e315e98dfa7a0ebe759bb78639c66eb0d8b77	18:42
daneyon	Adding another driver will be good to validate multiple drivers actually work.	18:42
daneyon	Tango no.	18:43
daneyon	As drivers get added, we will truly know how well the network-driver and labels implementation actually works	18:43
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Tango	Yep, that would be a good exercise to validate the whole architecture	18:44
daneyon	i feel confident it will work. However, it will work better after we address our heat template issues.	18:44
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daneyon	hongbin I think it would be great to add kuryr	18:44
hongbin	yes, just not sure what is the state of kuryr right now	18:45
Tango	Something to consider is to document the work so far and the steps for adding new drivers	18:45
daneyon	I've been a bit disconnected from kuryr the last few weeks as I've tried to focus my time on implementing the Magnum container network model across the bay types.	18:45
hongbin	daneyon: And agree with you that addressing the heat template issues is a high priority	18:45
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daneyon	IMO I think it's still a bit early to implement kuryr. But as I said, you are free to implement any driver as long as the code is solid and it works.	18:46
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daneyon	All does everyone agree on our what I said ^ about adding drivers?	18:46
daneyon	Any recommendations?	18:47
hongbin	Agree if the new drivers is in a separated repo	18:47
Tango	How about contrib?	18:47
hongbin	or in a contrib folder	18:47
daneyon	Tango agreed 100%. I will definitly document the network-driver and labels stuff	18:47
daneyon	After I get swarm working, I will take that on.	18:47
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Tango	Good to capture the thought when they are still fresh :)	18:48
daneyon	who here knows mesos well?	18:48
hongbin	me :)	18:48
hongbin	or eghobo_	18:48
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Tango	hongbin: I would have never guessed :)	18:48
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hongbin	daneyon: Back to the new drivers staff, I think it is better to consult with Adrian before proceeding.	18:49
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daneyon	hongbin agreed	18:50
daneyon	#action danehans to address how to add new drivers with adrian_otto	18:50
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daneyon	We'll circle back on the topic next week. Hopefully I'll have feedback from adrian_otto by then.	18:51
daneyon	any other open discussion?	18:51
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daneyon	I guess that's a wrap.	18:51
daneyon	Thanks for joining and see you next week	18:52
daneyon	#endmeeting	18:52
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dtroyer	#startmeeting OpenStackClient	19:01
openstack	Meeting started Thu Oct 8 19:01:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	19:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	19:01
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'	19:01
dtroyer	anyone here?	19:01
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stevemar_	o/	19:01
stevemar_	ahoy	19:01
lhcheng	o/	19:01
stevemar_	lhcheng: do you still have conflicts wiht this meeting?	19:01
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dtroyer	alarm ping: dhellmann, briancurtin, terrylhowe, sigmavirus24, dstanek	19:01
sigmavirus24	o/	19:02
lhcheng	stevemar_: yeah after 30 mins	19:02
MeganR	o/	19:02
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stevemar_	lhcheng: ah okay	19:03
stevemar_	MeganR: you're new, welcome!	19:03
MeganR	Hi, thank you	19:03
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lhcheng	MeganR: o/	19:03
stevemar_	dtroyer: whats on the agenda today boss	19:04
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dtroyer	I didn't make one, so lets let the review queue drive us for a few minutes	19:04
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dtroyer	or maybe start with:	19:04
lhcheng	gate still failing?	19:04
dtroyer	#topic gate status	19:04
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stevemar_	lhcheng: i put in something to fix it	19:04
dtroyer	stevemar_'s fix merged, but I've seen anouther failure or two since then and haven't had a chance to check it out yet	19:05
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dtroyer	the rest of the rechecks are still running so it may be an actual problem	19:05
stevemar_	that would be unfortunate	19:05
dtroyer	stevemar_: this was due to the devstack default change, yes?	19:05
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stevemar_	dtroyer: i believe so	19:05
stevemar_	the fall out wasn't so bad this time	19:06
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stevemar_	just shade and osc broke (that i know of)	19:06
dtroyer	and was limited to our jobs, yes	19:06
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dtroyer	I think	19:06
dtroyer	#topic stevemar_'s object store additions	19:07
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stevemar_	i'm sure something else might have broke, but i haven't heard yelling yet	19:07
stevemar_	ohhh object store	19:07
dtroyer	a bunch of those finally merged, delays mostly due to me.	19:07
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dtroyer	stevemar_: is that series complete?	19:07
stevemar_	it's all good	19:07
stevemar_	i think so	19:07
stevemar_	oh, one more	19:07
stevemar_	this is actually a good topic too	19:07
stevemar_	deciding on how to show the metadata	19:08
lhcheng	dtroyer: would love to see this included too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231847/	19:08
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stevemar_	do we leave the header as is, trim the X-Container-Meta	19:08
stevemar_	or leave it as just "Meta x"	19:08
stevemar_	so if we had property X=Y	19:08
stevemar_	swiftclient shows:	19:09
stevemar_	Meta X \| Y	19:09
dtroyer	I'd say we want to shoe exactly what the user supplied in the first place	19:09
dtroyer	show	19:09
stevemar_	we could do that, or:	19:09
stevemar_	X \| Y	19:09
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stevemar_	or the ugliest one, keep the header as is	19:09
dtroyer	no no no	19:09
stevemar_	you like X \| Y eh	19:10
dtroyer	is there something keeping us from producing output formatted like other properties?	19:10
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stevemar_	the issue with that is if someone decides to name is Bytes or something	19:10
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stevemar_	or one of the fields that is normally returned	19:10
dtroyer	we have that problem elsewhere	19:10
dtroyer	or ignore it elsewhere?	19:10
stevemar_	i think that's why swftclient renames it to Meta X	19:11
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stevemar_	we actually dont have that problem else where	19:11
dtroyer	I don't think I have the full picture then	19:11
dtroyer	every other resource with —property does this	19:11
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stevemar_	it's all here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222471/7/openstackclient/api/object_store_v1.py	19:12
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dtroyer	so properties become top-level fields in the output?	19:13
stevemar_	yes sir	19:13
dtroyer	I don' tthink we do that anywhere else?	19:13
stevemar_	right	19:13
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dtroyer	if we do we have the same problem	19:13
stevemar_	we could set it to a new properties field	19:13
stevemar_	but that's tricky...	19:14
dtroyer	how so?	19:14
stevemar_	actually, nvm, i guess: If 'meta' in header, we know it's a property	19:14
dtroyer	right, we added the prefix in the first place to set it	19:15
stevemar_	dtroyer: also, what were you trying to do with meta-owner	19:16
stevemar_	it's all over the code base, and its the same as the account id	19:16
dtroyer	no idea off the top o'my head...	19:16
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stevemar_	dtroyer: can i rip it out when i fix up the 'show'?	19:17
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stevemar_	it's always the same as the account id / project id	19:17
dtroyer	I think so? I may have been trying to make this look more like the rest of the world	19:17
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stevemar_	i dunno	19:17
stevemar_	okay, i'll rip it out	19:17
dtroyer	but remember the core of that code was pulled from swiftclient and I may not have understood it well enough	19:17
stevemar_	yoiiiiink	19:17
dtroyer	more on obj-sto? lhcheng the review you noted above looks good, you'll have a follow-up soon?	19:18
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lhcheng	nope, I want to treat the header cleanup as separate bug	19:19
lhcheng	dtroyer: we might need to do something like: https://github.com/openstack/python-swiftclient/blob/master/swiftclient/client.py#L240	19:19
dtroyer	ok, fine. I wanted to make sure merging 231847 didn't leave us in a half-done state	19:19
dtroyer	so two issues then	19:19
lhcheng	yup	19:20
dtroyer	cool	19:20
stevemar_	dtroyer: nah, it's fine to go in separate	19:20
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dtroyer	#topic image updates	19:21
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dtroyer	we still have a number of these in-flight	19:21
stevemar_	we do?	19:22
dtroyer	I'd like to get to a logical breakpoint before the next release	19:22
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dtroyer	bunting has —volume for image set (https://review.openstack.org/228512) and —owner for image create (https://review.openstack.org/227845)	19:23
dtroyer	the latter may be fine to wait, I think we need at tleast the former in, —location and —copy-from may be lower priority	19:23
stevemar_	ah right	19:24
stevemar_	gah, more reviews to do	19:24
dtroyer	always more!	19:25
dtroyer	#topic other reviews	19:25
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dtroyer	any others anyone wants to raise?	19:25
stevemar_	i wouldn't mind cutting another release once image and object are settled	19:25
dtroyer	that's what I was thinking too	19:25
dtroyer	looking for where that line is…seems like —volume is the one we're mostly waiting on?	19:26
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stevemar_	i think so	19:26
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stevemar_	plugins?	19:27
stevemar_	"we need to talk about plugins"	19:27
dtroyer	#topic plugins	19:27
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dtroyer	go for it	19:27
stevemar_	zigo brought it up in the ML	19:27
stevemar_	is there a better way to handle conflicts?	19:27
stevemar_	or not-found	19:27
dtroyer	his actual problem was a plugin bug, but the command conflict is a reall issue	19:28
stevemar_	i've also gotten myself into a pretty nasty state once or twice	19:28
dtroyer	better tools for debugging entrypoints would help	19:28
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dtroyer	dhellmann has his ep tool that is a huge help, maybe a doc describing the process for finding problems would help	19:28
stevemar_	hmm, this is outside of my realm of expertise	19:29
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stevemar_	i made this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231730/	19:29
dtroyer	I actually think that overriding entry points is a feature if it can be controlled	19:29
stevemar_	but it would be nice if had a gate job or test that saw conflicts	19:29
dhellmann	stevemar_: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/entry_point_inspector	19:30
dtroyer	how? we have to find all the plugins and gate on them?	19:30
dtroyer	thanks dhellmann	19:30
stevemar_	dtroyer: yeah, just talking abstractly	19:30
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stevemar_	i have no idea how to solve that issue	19:31
dhellmann	we could set up a job that other projects could add themselves to to verify that they aren't introducing a duplicate	19:31
dhellmann	it would just need to install everything and then scan the namespace for dupes	19:31
stevemar_	dhellmann: those jobs would need to pull in other projects too	19:31
dtroyer	I think the doc you started is our interim, and for-now-best, solution	19:31
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dhellmann	stevemar_: yeah, it would be consenting co-gating	19:31
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dtroyer	that still doesn't solve the 'private plugin' case though. I have one for Nebula for example that could never run there...	19:32
dhellmann	dtroyer: how do you guarantee load order for your plugin	19:32
stevemar_	dhellmann: it sounds tricky, i just wish folks would look at a doc before doing that	19:32
dhellmann	?	19:32
dhellmann	stevemar_: yeah	19:33
dtroyer	dhellmann: I couldn't sort that out so assumed it wasn't possible. but I hadn't asked you about it yet ;)	19:33
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dhellmann	dtroyer: I don't think it's possible :-)	19:33
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dhellmann	dtroyer: if we want to support overrides, we should add that to cliff explicitly	19:33
dtroyer	there is a similar problem with making command aliases, for deprecating commands but only shoing the new one in help	19:33
* dhellmann nods		19:34
dtroyer	dhellmann: yup	19:34
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dtroyer	and that's why you haven't seen my modifed command plugin yet...	19:34
dtroyer	stevemar_: fwiw I filed a bug on cueclient for that message-broker command, haven't decided on designateclient yet on ptr_record	19:35
dtroyer	got sidetracked on the alias part last night	19:36
stevemar_	dtroyer: cueclient should be able to change, they haven't released yet AFAIK	19:36
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stevemar_	ah dammit, they did a 0.9.0	19:36
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stevemar_	dtroyer: i think keeping the "code name" in the doc makes sense	19:38
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stevemar_	there are 2 different messaging projects	19:38
dtroyer	this may be the only place I think it does, users need to know that to install the right lib	19:38
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stevemar_	right	19:39
stevemar_	dtroyer: i think that's all for me	19:39
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stevemar_	we can decide on summit stuff next week	19:39
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dtroyer	yeah. so far the two things I'm kicking around are about the command conflict and some overall multiple-project things for the fishbowl	19:40
dtroyer	and I'm shifting my conference talk away from including SDK since it is still so far off	19:41
stevemar_	for me it's: look for cinder to buy-in for osc (we're super close to parity); ask glance to implement their v3 API in OSC only; focus on keystoneauth; sdk support; neutron anything	19:41
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dtroyer	#topic open discussion	19:42
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dhellmann	stevemar_: we can try to get glance to only implement the new image import API in osc as well	19:42
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dtroyer	I'm more nervous about doing that with glance just because that client is soo different (v2 at least) I'd prefer to not need it at all.	19:44
dtroyer	unique deps like pyopenssl, warlock, etc	19:44
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dhellmann	do we not use glance's client to talk to that API?	19:44
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dtroyer	we do except for the list commands today, those are using my internal api prototype that the sdk didn't merge	19:45
dhellmann	ah	19:45
dhellmann	it looks like we're going to end up with a new API to find the preferred/supported settings in the cloud, and then another to start the import from a URL	19:45
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dtroyer	yay discovery!	19:46
dhellmann	those will be part of v2, not v3	19:46
dhellmann	v2.x or something -- we haven't figured that part out yet	19:46
dtroyer	kinda unrelated, but do you know if glance has plans for microversioning their api?	19:47
dhellmann	that's the thing we haven't worked out	19:47
dhellmann	right now we're focusing on what an api should look like, and we'll deal with the version # when we see what we need to add/change	19:47
dtroyer	ok. I want to generalize nova's negotiation and try to use it as much everywhere as possible.	19:48
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dtroyer	so if that comes up I hope it's at least similar	19:48
dhellmann	here's the spec if you want to follow it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/	19:48
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dtroyer	thanks	19:50
dtroyer	anything else?	19:50
* dhellmann has nothing		19:50
dtroyer	I'm trying to distill OSC's auth process (including cmdline/env var handling) into a single example to make it easy to seee and try both direct ksa and the sdk.	19:51
dtroyer	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232695/	19:51
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dtroyer	that should be easier to follow than jumping between clientmanager.py and shell.py and whatever else	19:52
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dtroyer	oh, one more: stevemar_, any thoughts on the discussion in https://review.openstack.org/231812?	19:53
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dtroyer	chime in there if so	19:54
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dtroyer	alrightythen… last chance…	19:55
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stevemar_	dtroyer: i'll chime in	19:56
dtroyer	ok, thanks everyone!	19:56
stevemar_	i didn't realize it was so unfinished	19:56
MeganR	thank you	19:56
dtroyer	thanks	19:56
dtroyer	#endmeeting	19:56
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mikal	Nova meeting...	20:58
tonyb	o/	20:58
mikal	mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata artom jlvillal mnestratov kashyap aloga rgeragnov bauzas xyang tpatil med_ nic scottda nagyz dannywilson belliott dguitarbite sdague jroll diana_clarke _diana_ raildo: you are all on an	20:58
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bauzas	meh, early	20:58
dansmith	dude, two minutes early	20:58
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tjones	hi	20:58
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tonyb	dansmith: makes up for my 2mins late last fortnight ;P	20:59
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mikal	Herm, my random machine with poorly configured NTP says now	20:59
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mikal	Fine. I will wait for this here google search to say its time	20:59
dansmith	tonyb: heh, you were more than two minutes late	20:59
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dansmith	tonyb: but fair enough	20:59
bauzas	20 sec	20:59
dansmith	if it means we get to end earlier... :)	20:59
bauzas	huh 10 sec	20:59
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dansmith	now	21:00
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mikal	Nope, waiting for google now	21:00
mikal	Now!	21:00
mikal	#startmeeting nova	21:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Oct 8 21:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	21:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	21:00
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'nova'	21:00
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mikal	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova	21:00
mriedem	o/	21:00
mikal	^-- agenda as usual	21:00
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edleafe	o/	21:00
jroll	\o	21:00
bauzas	\........o	21:00
ctrath	o/	21:00
dansmith	slurp	21:00
mikal	#topic RC2 status	21:00
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mikal	So, I was asleep over night	21:00
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dansmith	mikal: ttx cut rc2 this morning	21:01
mikal	Did we manage to get that thing out?	21:01
dansmith	we got the last fix in	21:01
mikal	Yay!	21:01
mikal	So nothing else to discuss there really?	21:01
dansmith	not imho	21:01
mikal	Cool	21:01
mikal	#topic Mitaka status	21:01
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dims	o/	21:01
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mikal	So, the design summit session suggestion thing is now closed	21:01
dansmith	john is going to submit the tentative schedule tomorrow morning he said	21:02
mikal	johnthetubaguy is spending some quality time staring at the suggestions and will come up with a proposal for sessions real soon now	21:02
mriedem	yeah, i don't have the etherpad anymore	21:02
dansmith	we did that this morning	21:02
dansmith	mikal: ^	21:02
mikal	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-summit-suggestions	21:02
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dansmith	it's at the bottom	21:02
mikal	Ahhh ok	21:02
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mikal	When I went to sleep it was still a todo item	21:02
dansmith	well, it still has question marks around everything, but for no reason that I know of	21:03
dansmith	johnthetubaguy likes question marks	21:03
mikal	johnthetubaguy also wants us to try and sort specs into buckets	21:03
dansmith	fear of commitment	21:03
mikal	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking	21:03
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tonyb	do we know if danpb will be there?	21:03
mikal	Which I guess is mostly about helping the review process out	21:03
mriedem	tonyb: he will	21:03
mikal	At the summit?	21:04
mriedem	yes	21:04
tonyb	mriedem: cool.	21:04
mriedem	he's doing the neutron os vif lib session	21:04
tonyb	mriedem: Oh good. that's the one I was thinking would be pointless without him	21:04
mikal	Is there any point doing a blow by blow about the process for recovering specs / patches which didn't land in Liberty? Or do we think we all understand that?	21:04
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mikal	The process is unchanged from last release	21:04
mriedem	no point	21:04
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mriedem	ping people to remove -2s	21:05
dansmith	agreed no point	21:05
mriedem	reporpose for mitaka	21:05
mikal	Cool	21:05
mriedem	done	21:05
mikal	The only other thing I can think of here is are there already any specless blueprints we need to discuss / approve?	21:05
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dansmith	I think we discussed the only ones last week	21:05
tonyb	john sent an email with the details didn't he? if we get questions we can just point at that	21:05
mriedem	there are some in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking	21:06
mikal	Yeah, it should be well known	21:06
mriedem	but i haven't looked	21:06
mriedem	would need people here to bring them up	21:06
bauzas	tonyb: yup http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075605.html	21:06
mikal	There are a few specless blueprints in the etherpad	21:06
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mikal	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking	21:06
mikal	Line 61 onwards	21:06
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mriedem	looks like a couple are just re-proposals from liberty	21:07
mikal	True	21:07
mikal	I could seven not marked as approved in the etherpad	21:07
mikal	We should discuss at least a few of those	21:07
jlvillal	o/	21:07
mriedem	i ignore those that are struck out	21:07
mikal	mriedem: yep, these are the non-struck out ones	21:08
mikal	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-block-device-mapping-support	21:08
mriedem	approved in liberty, might as well re-approve it	21:08
mikal	I think that one should get approved again	21:08
mikal	mriedem: I think we should do a ten second discussion for each	21:08
mikal	mriedem: instead of just blindly clicking	21:08
mriedem	is time up yet?	21:09
mikal	So are we still ok with the hyper-v bdm one?	21:09
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jroll	read: wait for mikal to say it should be approved again	21:09
mikal	No objections, so I shall approve it	21:09
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mriedem	it's very sparse on details	21:09
mriedem	but seems trivial	21:09
mikal	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-host-maintenance	21:09
mikal	This one has code proposed	21:09
dansmith	so	21:09
dansmith	I don't think they should do this	21:09
mriedem	i feel that needs a spec	21:09
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dansmith	host maintenance mode is currently xen-only,	21:10
dansmith	and the way we do this now is with service disable, IMHO	21:10
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dansmith	so I don't want to see this spread to other drivers, personally	21:10
mriedem	yeah, evacuate is not trivial	21:10
mikal	If you want a spec I think that's a reasonable request	21:10
mriedem	i put that in the etherpad	21:10
jroll	iirc rackspace also uses service disable for maintenance, on xen	21:10
jroll	presumably for a reason	21:10
mikal	Ok, I will note in that BP that we'd like a spec please	21:11
dansmith	right	21:11
dansmith	we should kill this with fire	21:11
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dansmith	but since we can't really, we should not spread it	21:11
mikal	Ok, move on?	21:11
dansmith	mriedem: this is unrelated to evacuate, right?	21:11
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mikal	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyperv-assisted-volume-snapshot	21:12
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mriedem	i thought host maintenance mode in xenapi triggered evacuate	21:12
mriedem	but not through the actual rebuild api	21:12
dansmith	mriedem: it does something weird and xen-specific at the lower layers	21:12
mriedem	purely orchestrated in the virt driver i thought	21:12
mriedem	yeah	21:12
dansmith	mriedem: if you have host clusters or something	21:12
dansmith	it's not our evacuate	21:12
mriedem	right	21:12
mriedem	i could see vmware wanting this too eventually.....	21:12
mriedem	although i think they already do it	21:13
dansmith	I think we should kill it	21:13
mriedem	and try to sync up later and it breaks	21:13
mriedem	i agree that it's not fun	21:13
mikal	So, moving on?	21:14
mriedem	anyway, definitely needs a spec	21:14
mriedem	yes	21:14
dansmith	vmware just sets an attribute on the host I think,	21:14
mikal	We've asked for a spec and can talk there	21:14
dansmith	whatever, okay	21:14
mikal	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyperv-assisted-volume-snapshot	21:14
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mriedem	^ was approved in liberty	21:14
mikal	Yep	21:14
mikal	I think we should approve again	21:14
mriedem	agree	21:14
mikal	Thoughts?	21:14
mriedem	code would be helpful	21:15
mikal	Next one	21:15
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mikal	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/filter-mem-bw	21:15
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mriedem	also approved in liberty	21:15
mriedem	no code	21:15
dansmith	half of it is done though	21:16
mikal	Yep	21:16
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dansmith	the metric is already reported	21:16
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mikal	Its relatively cheap to approve and wait for code	21:16
mriedem	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180983/	21:16
mriedem	yeah	21:16
bauzas	+1	21:16
mriedem	yeah	21:16
dansmith	do we even need more code for this? not sure	21:16
mriedem	approve	21:16
mikal	So approve?	21:16
dansmith	I thought there was a generic metrics filter?	21:16
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mikal	I'd have to look	21:16
dansmith	bauzas: ?	21:16
bauzas	this is more for weighers	21:16
mriedem	jaypipes: might know	21:16
bauzas	but we indeed have a filter	21:16
dansmith	do we need more code?	21:17
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mikal	Sounds like we should just approve though and let that discussion happen in the code review?	21:17
bauzas	that just checks whether the metrics are okay	21:17
dansmith	mikal: my point is, I'm not sure we have anything else to do	21:17
dansmith	mikal: approving it when nothing needs to be done in mitaka seems silly :)	21:17
mriedem	so let's post the questoin in the whiteboard	21:17
dansmith	yeah, that	21:17
mriedem	and bug sudipto in nova later	21:17
bauzas	yup	21:17
mriedem	*sudipta	21:17
mikal	Sure, works for me	21:17
mikal	Who is doing that whiteboard thing?	21:18
bauzas	I can	21:18
mikal	Ta	21:18
mikal	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/live-migration-statuses	21:18
mriedem	i did	21:18
bauzas	mmm, maybe a nova-drivers tho	21:18
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bauzas	mriedem: thanks	21:18
mriedem	holy balls https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/live-migration-statuses,n,z	21:18
dansmith	I asked in the etherpad	21:18
dansmith	ugh	21:19
mikal	Yeah, that's a lot of reviews	21:19
dansmith	-2	21:19
dansmith	ndipanov is working on a state machine for migrations	21:19
mriedem	they are 2 line changes	21:19
mriedem	but still	21:19
dansmith	these status strings should not be codified, IMHO	21:19
bauzas	agreed	21:19
mikal	Shall we ask ndipanov to take a look at this and comment?	21:19
mriedem	probably	21:20
dansmith	yes, and I -2d	21:20
dansmith	the bottom patch in the series	21:20
dansmith	MIGRATION_STATUS_DUMMY	21:20
dansmith	I mean, really	21:20
mikal	Ok, so who is going to ping ndipanov?	21:21
dansmith	I'll add him	21:21
mriedem	i commented in the etherpad also	21:21
mikal	Ok cool	21:21
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mikal	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-use-datastore-copy	21:21
mriedem	i think ^ is fine	21:21
mriedem	it's a procedural bp	21:21
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mikal	Yeah, I think we approve this one	21:22
mikal	No objections?	21:22
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dansmith	no relevant ones	21:22
mikal	Heh	21:22
mikal	Last one	21:22
mikal	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/add-swap-volume-notifications	21:22
mriedem	trivial, approve	21:23
dansmith	I wish we didn't even have blueprints for this	21:23
dansmith	but whatever	21:23
mikal	Ok, I'll approve that one too then	21:23
mikal	Wasn't that fun people?	21:23
dansmith	no	21:23
mriedem	yes!	21:23
mikal	Heh	21:23
mikal	#topic Regular reminders	21:23
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jroll	if it made dansmith grumpy it seems like fun	21:23
dansmith	jroll: I was already grumpy	21:23
mikal	There is a new priority review etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking	21:23
mikal	I'm not 100% sure that that means at this point	21:24
mikal	BUT IT IS THERE	21:24
jroll	hah	21:24
mikal	Any other things you'd like to be nagged about?	21:24
mikal	Seems not	21:24
mriedem	trivial bugs are supposed to be in there also, and virt driver reviews etc	21:24
mriedem	*subteam	21:24
mikal	mriedem: fine, be that way	21:24
mikal	#topic Gate status	21:24
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mikal	mriedem: do that thing	21:25
mriedem	idk, it's touch and go	21:25
mriedem	things are not fun	21:25
dansmith	shit has been failing a lot for me today	21:25
mikal	Sounds like rc2 was painful to get merged	21:25
mriedem	http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html	21:25
bauzas	yup	21:25
dansmith	I started insulting jenkins in my recheck comments	21:25
mriedem	yes, i've been rechecking a lot	21:25
mikal	LOL	21:25
bauzas	mostly the firewall thing AFAICT	21:25
mikal	"recheck, you useless pigdog"	21:25
mriedem	the libvirt firewall ebtables stuff is relatively new and annoying	21:25
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dansmith	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230227/	21:25
mriedem	showed up on 9/29	21:26
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* dims warns that oslo libraries will start rolling out early next week for Mitaka		21:26
mriedem	oye	21:26
mikal	Oh, we're doomed	21:26
dims	:)	21:26
mriedem	the ceph job is also spazzing now too	21:26
dansmith	I say we give up on this grand experiment	21:26
mikal	Anyways, is there anything concrete people need help with here?	21:26
tonyb	dansmith: +1	21:26
mriedem	we need help with the libvirt firewall stuff	21:27
mriedem	i did some investigation in one of the bugs	21:27
mriedem	there are 2 of them	21:27
mikal	Links?	21:27
mriedem	there was an ubuntu kernel update on 9/29 or thereabouts	21:27
mriedem	https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1501558	21:27
openstack	Launchpad bug 1501558 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-net: libvirtError: Error while building firewall: Some rules could not be created for interface: Unable to update the kernel" [High,Confirmed]	21:27
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mriedem	https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1501366	21:27
openstack	Launchpad bug 1501366 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirtError: Error while building firewall: Some rules could not be created for interface" [High,Confirmed]	21:27
mriedem	there were no nova changes around 9/29 that look related	21:28
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mriedem	or upstream deps	21:28
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mriedem	so i kind of blame the kernel update in ubuntu 14.04 on 9/29	21:28
mriedem	but idk	21:28
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mikal	I wonder if we can involve Canonical?	21:28
mikal	Start a -dev thread asking them for help perhaps?	21:28
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mriedem	so i found the kernel bug in LP	21:28
mriedem	and posted that we were having issues and they said it looked unrelated and to open a new bug	21:29
mriedem	at which point i gave up	21:29
mriedem	the links are in the nova bug report	21:29
mikal	My tame kernel dev has chosen to ride his bike all weekend, otherwise I'd throw him under this bus	21:29
mriedem	ccarmack found a change in kilo where we did some retry stuff on ebtables updates,	21:29
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mriedem	maybe we just need some other retry somewhere else, but it seems odd to have spiked on 9/29	21:30
ccarmack	mriedem: is there a way to try libvirt 2.11 as an experment to see if the concurrency issue goes away?	21:30
* tonyb wonders who mikal is talking about?		21:30
mriedem	break his legs	21:30
mriedem	ccarmack: 1.2.11?	21:30
mikal	ccarmack: that would be non-trivial	21:30
mriedem	right	21:30
ccarmack	yes	21:30
mriedem	unless it's in fedora 21	21:30
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mriedem	b/c there is a fedora 21 job in the experimental queue	21:30
tonyb	ccarmack: that's soemthign I've been workign towards for a while but it still isn't ready.	21:30
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mikal	So, we aren't going to solve this here	21:31
mriedem	however, it doesn't help the normal gate jobs that use trust 14.04	21:31
mriedem	yeah, move on	21:31
mikal	But hopefully people will help mriedem out here	21:31
mikal	Or at least give him a hug	21:31
rlrossit	ctrath: get on it	21:31
mriedem	i don't do well with hugs	21:31
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mikal	#topic Third party CI status	21:31
*** openstack changes topic to "Third party CI status (Meeting topic: nova)"		21:31
clarkb	mriedem: I know ianw and pabelanger are working to move to f22 if it helps	21:31
dansmith	"in the toilet"	21:31
mikal	Intel PCI CI was sad, yeah?	21:31
tonyb	mriedem: let me know eher you get up to over the w/e and I'll look at whatever you say is most urgent on my Monday	21:32
mriedem	mikal: t-h is off the rails	21:32
mriedem	or is at least sporadic	21:32
mikal	mriedem: oh, interesting	21:32
mriedem	and yes intel pci ci is in the toilet	21:32
mikal	mriedem: I'll poke jhesketh about that	21:32
mriedem	they replied in the ML and said their log server went down or something and were fixing it	21:32
tonyb	mriedem: jhesketh is on leave	21:32
mikal	tonyb: oh yeah, we shouldn't have let that happen	21:32
bauzas	mriedem: seems t-h was a bit better tonihgt	21:33
mriedem	http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova	21:33
mikal	I'll try to find the time to look at t-h today then	21:33
mriedem	^ shows t-h as okish, but i was seeing failures in gerrit	21:33
mikal	Anything else on CI?	21:33
mriedem	no	21:34
mikal	#topic Stable branches	21:34
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mikal	Nothing?	21:34
mriedem	kilo is still frozen	21:34
mriedem	2015.1.2 should be out soonish	21:34
mriedem	there is a thread in the ML	21:34
tonyb	juno is a mess ;P	21:34
mriedem	juno is eol in november	21:34
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tonyb	(but nothing specific to nova)	21:35
dansmith	lol -> juno	21:35
mriedem	yeah, i'm biding my time for juno to die	21:35
Vek	("long live kilo!")	21:35
mikal	Moving on	21:35
mikal	#topic Open Discussion	21:35
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* jroll glares at Vek :P		21:35
* Vek smiles back		21:36
melwitt	I put a thing in the open discussion	21:36
mikal	Its not there any more?	21:36
dansmith	we should discuss it openly	21:36
mikal	Oh, refresh	21:36
melwitt	we've been unsure what to do with this review in novaclient, wants to add more output to some CLI commands https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190111/	21:36
melwitt	someone told him to make a blueprint and he did https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+spec/enhance-commands-for-usability	21:36
melwitt	we already have this type of output for nova delete, reboot, stop, and start	21:37
mriedem	so -2 the change first	21:37
mriedem	if there is a bp	21:37
bauzas	so there was also an interest from lxsli about providing json output	21:38
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melwitt	so I wanted to find out if there's any objection to adding these outputs to more commands, and if not, if we can approve the bp and let the person's patch get reviewed	21:38
tonyb	bauzas: isn't that all part of openstack-client?	21:38
bauzas	but osc sounds good for that	21:38
bauzas	tonyb: yeah that	21:38
tonyb	melwitt: my $0.02 is add the output but also provide a way to turn it off (if that isn't already a thing)	21:39
bauzas	is there a consensus on improving the CLI output given that there is osc ?	21:39
melwitt	tonyb: that makes sense, but we're already doing it for delete, reboot, stop, and start and it's not optional	21:39
mriedem	it seems trivial enough	21:40
Vek	unless we're ready to deprecate the novaclient CLI and point people to osc...	21:40
melwitt	so it feels weird to tell him no when there's already commands doing it	21:40
mriedem	novaclient cli is not deprecated	21:40
tonyb	melwitt: then make it optional ;P consistency is worth it IMO	21:40
mikal	Vek: I can't see that happening any time soon	21:40
mriedem	so until that happens, and other commands do this, it seems trivial to add it in	21:40
bauzas	fair enough	21:40
mriedem	i can see the ux side of it	21:40
mriedem	- do thing; no response; wut?	21:41
Vek	me neither. For context, that was in response to the question about improving output, which I took to be regarding the addition of json output.	21:41
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mikal	Seems like we're ok with adding this output?	21:41
mikal	No one has strenuously objected?	21:41
bauzas	that sounds only additive, right?	21:41
* Vek is +2		21:41
mriedem	i'm fine with it	21:41
edleafe	sounds fine to me	21:41
dansmith	I am unable to care less about this topic	21:42
mikal	melwitt: make it so!	21:42
bauzas	:)	21:42
tonyb	dansmith: lol	21:42
melwitt	mikal: can you approve the bp? or does johnthetubaguy have to do it?	21:42
mikal	melwitt: I can	21:42
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mriedem	now i'd like to talk about the max lenght of commit message titles and periods at the end of a title for awhile	21:42
* dansmith punches mriedem in the face		21:42
* edleafe piles on		21:42
mikal	I think it should be no more than 4 characters	21:42
ccarmack	we are in the same room as mriedem	21:42
mikal	And always have a "!" in it	21:43
dansmith	#endmeeting	21:43
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mriedem	there was seriously that guy in channel that ! everything last week	21:43
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dansmith	mriedem: that was awesome	21:43
mikal	Anything else non-trolly here?	21:43
dansmith	mriedem: he was very excited	21:43
mriedem	i have a question!	21:43
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* Vek is glad to have missed that...		21:43
mriedem	what should i work on!	21:43
dansmith	mriedem: go away!	21:43
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annegentle	wow I love the snark in this meeting!	21:43
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Vek	mriedem: add json output to novaclient? :)	21:43
mriedem	ok, i'm done	21:43
annegentle	heh	21:43
mriedem	Vek: no	21:43
dansmith	heh	21:43
mikal	Ok, game over	21:44
mikal	#endmeeting	21:44
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openstack	Meeting ended Thu Oct 8 21:44:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	21:44
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-10-08-21.00.html	21:44
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openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-10-08-21.00.txt	21:44
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-10-08-21.00.log.html	21:44
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mikal	You can all have a 15 minute early mark	21:44
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