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garyk | is there the vmware meeting | 17:01 |
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arnaud | I guess so | 17:01 |
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tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 13 17:02:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
tjones | sorry | 17:02 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:02 |
tjones | im late | 17:02 |
tjones | who's here? | 17:02 |
vuil | o/ | 17:02 |
thangp | o/ | 17:02 |
arnaud | o/ | 17:02 |
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garyk | i am here | 17:03 |
tjones | so i have a dentist appt at the top of the hour - so i will drop off about 15 min early. feel free to go on without me if you have stuff to discuss | 17:03 |
tjones | lets get started with... | 17:03 |
garyk | matt apologizes he will not be able to make | 17:03 |
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tjones | #topic BP | 17:03 |
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tjones | thats our approved BP of which we only have 3 | 17:04 |
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tjones | lets talk about our fav spawn refactor 1st | 17:04 |
garyk | i need to leave in about 30 minutes | 17:04 |
tjones | vui? | 17:04 |
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garyk | tjones: sadly at the moment stuff is blocked by MS | 17:04 |
garyk | ESX deprectaion bit us in the behind | 17:04 |
tjones | yeah - that is such a pain | 17:04 |
vuil | it's still under review. Some phase 2 stuff left. I need to update some of the phase 3 patches as well. | 17:04 |
tjones | sorry vui my eye is off that ball - how many total have not yet merged ? | 17:05 |
vuil | a sec | 17:05 |
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garyk | we need a MS for https://review.openstack.org/113923 | 17:05 |
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tjones | garyk: i thought that was actally blocking MS? | 17:06 |
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vuil | * could find the fancy gerrit query * | 17:06 |
vuil | but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104145/16 is the next in line | 17:06 |
vuil | that and 4 more makes ph 2, and 6 more for ph 3 | 17:07 |
garyk | tjones: that patch should address the MS problem. we need a MS run on it ASAP | 17:07 |
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vuil | among them there are about 3-4 sizeable ones, the rest are small | 17:07 |
tjones | garyk: does rhsu know? | 17:07 |
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tjones | vuil: so im assuming all you need from us is reviews and reviews and reviews? | 17:07 |
garyk | tjones: yes. | 17:07 |
vuil | yes I told ryan. | 17:07 |
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vuil | yes, but some work to rebase/update some ph 3 patches. | 17:08 |
vuil | But clearing all the ph2 stuff for a start would be great | 17:08 |
tjones | ok s lets focus on getting the phase 2 pathces reviewed. I'll find the link and post it here in a sec | 17:09 |
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vuil | we will probably discuss next, but I think equally hi priority | 17:09 |
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tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/vmware-spawn-refactor,n,z | 17:09 |
vuil | is getting the oslo.vmware integration patch reviewed. | 17:09 |
tjones | yes lets talk about that one now | 17:10 |
vuil | If it merges, it will give some clarity on how the update the patches depending on them. | 17:10 |
tjones | that is just this one | 17:10 |
tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/use-oslo-vmware,n,z | 17:10 |
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tjones | but it's a big one | 17:10 |
vuil | yeah's its big, but mostly mechanical stuff | 17:10 |
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tjones | i saw johnthetuba guy was reviewing it for a while but looks like he stopped | 17:11 |
garyk | yeah, we really the oslo stuff - it will make life a lot easier | 17:11 |
vuil | the issue is that several patches that addressed approve BP need its and arguably should be updated on top of the refactored code. | 17:11 |
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vuil | It hard to post review that depends on two unmerged branches | 17:12 |
tjones | yes | 17:12 |
tjones | do you recommend rebasing oslo on top of the phase 2 refactor then - is that what you mean? | 17:12 |
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tjones | or the other way around | 17:12 |
vuil | it has been rebased consistently to account for the merged refactored code. | 17:12 |
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vuil | if and when it gets in, we rebase the rest of the unmerged refactored code on it one time,... | 17:13 |
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vuil | then we allow dependent work to be build off one patch chain | 17:13 |
tjones | ok i see. so then what you are saying is that we should put reviewing oslo ahead of the other patches | 17:13 |
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vuil | if possible, yes. Or at least get the ball rolling | 17:14 |
tjones | get that in and then start again with the rest of the refactors | 17:14 |
tjones | ok let me ping johnthetubaguy and see if i can get him engaged again | 17:14 |
vuil | otherwise it's just constant rebase (path 39 and counting) for nothin | 17:14 |
tjones | yes i know - frustrating and boring | 17:14 |
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tjones | ok anything else for those 2 before we move on? | 17:15 |
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tjones | garyk: v3 diags? | 17:16 |
garyk | tjones: done and dusted. | 17:16 |
tjones | and spbm? | 17:16 |
tjones | merged? | 17:16 |
garyk | justthe libvirt patch is pending review | 17:16 |
tjones | awesome! | 17:16 |
garyk | spbm needs to be rebased on to of the oslo stuff. hopefully tomorrow or day after | 17:16 |
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tjones | and ephemeral? | 17:16 |
garyk | last in the refactor list | 17:16 |
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garyk | code is up, just need to be revieweed | 17:17 |
tjones | ok - anything i missed? | 17:17 |
tjones | for approved BP? | 17:17 |
garyk | not that i am aware of | 17:17 |
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tjones | if not - if everyone here can spend some cycles reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70175/ it sounds like it will really help us get over a number of humps. Please review so we can ping the core guys | 17:18 |
vuil | vsan/ova - those are the ones I was mentioning that depended on the oslo.vmware change. | 17:18 |
vuil | I held off rechecking 70175 due to the MS issues yesterday, but we should do one today | 17:18 |
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tjones | vuil: since the status in launchpad is "not started" i fear they will not make it… | 17:19 |
tjones | the cores look at the state to decide what to review - if they are far enough along, please adjust the status | 17:19 |
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vuil | I will, I thought I saw a list that said they are started. I just need to update them and am kinda in a bind as to how. | 17:19 |
vuil | I have been testing them internally, but I had the luxury of merging different branches of functionality I need | 17:20 |
tjones | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware i think a number of states are stale. lets clean this up. sorry i should have been on this before but got a little disrtracted by other work | 17:20 |
tjones | ok lets move on to bugs | 17:20 |
tjones | #bugs | 17:21 |
garyk | i went over the bugs and did a little cleanup | 17:21 |
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tjones | garyk: you are the proud owner of 2 critical bugs | 17:21 |
tjones | congrats! | 17:21 |
tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware | 17:21 |
tjones | we are at 64 bugs | 17:22 |
tjones | 10 more than last week i think | 17:22 |
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tjones | wow - we need to do some triage (later) | 17:23 |
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tjones | garyk: these critical bugs are moving? just waiting on MS? | 17:23 |
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tjones | BTW - my battery is close to dead so if i suddenly drop you will know why | 17:24 |
garyk | i am not sure. i will check the bugs again tomorrow | 17:24 |
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vuil | maybe there went the battery | 17:26 |
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tjones | no i am here | 17:26 |
tjones | was looking at the bugs | 17:26 |
vuil | k | 17:26 |
tjones | sorry | 17:26 |
tjones | got caught up | 17:26 |
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tjones | i meant to spend some time looking at bugs before this meeitng but did not have time so i'll do it offline. | 17:27 |
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tjones | anything else we need to talk about ? | 17:27 |
tjones | im happy to end early if not | 17:27 |
vuil | not for me | 17:27 |
tjones | please take this extra 1/2 hour and review oslo :-D | 17:28 |
tjones | that's what i am going to do | 17:28 |
tjones | *listening* | 17:28 |
tjones | ok lets end then | 17:29 |
tjones | *see* you next week | 17:29 |
tjones | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 13 17:29:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-08-13-17.02.html | 17:29 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-08-13-17.02.txt | 17:29 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-08-13-17.02.log.html | 17:29 |
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notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:01 |
mattoliverau | woo | 19:01 |
notmyname | woo! | 19:01 |
notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 13 19:01:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
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notmyname | hello, everyone. who's here for the Swift team meeting? | 19:02 |
cschwede_ | o/ | 19:02 |
mattoliverau | o/ | 19:02 |
cutforth | o/ | 19:02 |
kota_ | o/ | 19:02 |
tdasilva | hello | 19:02 |
hurricanerix | hi | 19:02 |
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acoles | here | 19:02 |
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gvernik | hello | 19:02 |
torgomatic | hi | 19:02 |
notmyname | agenda for today is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
notmyname | "normal" stuff :-) | 19:03 |
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notmyname | first up, hackathon | 19:03 |
* notmyname notes "hackathon", not "hackathong" | 19:03 | |
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notmyname | #topic hackathon | 19:03 |
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notmyname | tdasilva: hello | 19:03 |
tdasilva | no speedos please | 19:04 |
tdasilva | hello | 19:04 |
mattoliverau | lol | 19:04 |
notmyname | the fall hackathon will be during the bridge week between september and october | 19:04 |
notmyname | before the paris summit | 19:04 |
notmyname | in general, there are a couple of primary reasons that we do these | 19:04 |
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notmyname | first, it's a good chance to see each other in person and talk face-to-face. this becomes terribly useful, especially when discussing designs and future plans | 19:05 |
notmyname | it's also nice for doing in-person code reviews for big stuff | 19:05 |
notmyname | second, the summits are hard to get stuff done, and not everyone can get their company to pay to go to the summits, so the hackathons are a place where we can focus on the code, rather than the social part of openstack | 19:06 |
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notmyname | I've had some people express concern that it seems like there are now requirements to travel around the world 4 times a year (2 summits, 2 hackathons) | 19:06 |
notmyname | although it's nice to go to all of them, certainly don't consider it a requirement. the hackathons are great for code progress. the summits are great for community progress | 19:07 |
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notmyname | so, that all being said... | 19:07 |
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notmyname | Red Hat is hosting the fall hackathon, and tdasilva is coordinating logistics form their side | 19:08 |
notmyname | thanks tdasilva! | 19:08 |
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notmyname | tdasilva: I believe the invites are publicly open now? | 19:08 |
tdasilva | ur welcome :) | 19:08 |
tdasilva | yes | 19:08 |
tdasilva | https://swift-hackathon.eventbrite.com/ | 19:08 |
notmyname | #link https://swift-hackathon.eventbrite.com/ | 19:08 |
tdasilva | I tried to add info there regarding airports, hotels, etc | 19:09 |
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tdasilva | if people have questions feel free to reach out to me | 19:09 |
mattoliverau | Is easier to get to for some :P Seeing as it's so close to the summit (for traveeling 1/2 round the world) it may or maynot be possible to trick work into sending me to both the hackathon and summit (but I'll ask) ;P | 19:09 |
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notmyname | mattoliverau: I'd love to see you there if you can make it | 19:10 |
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cutforth | notmyname: how far in advance are hackathon dates scheduled? I ask cuz I will miss out on this one due to a conflict. I'd like to plan to make the next one. | 19:11 |
notmyname | so, to everyone, sign up ASAP if you are able to go. there are a limited number of places | 19:11 |
notmyname | cutforth: mostly it's "hey we want to sponsor, when do you want it?" in an email to me :-) | 19:11 |
notmyname | cutforth: that being said, I'd like to have the one after before the "L" summit in the spring. I've already got a volunteer to host it on the US West coast | 19:12 |
cutforth | ok, if there were a general time frame, that could help with planning | 19:12 |
tdasilva | notmyname: is the location for the "L" summit already defined too? | 19:13 |
tdasilva | and date? | 19:13 |
notmyname | cutforth: there isn't yet. I'd guess likely in the march(ish) timeframe | 19:13 |
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notmyname | tdasilva: no, not that I know of. dates will be in May (it's always May and November) | 19:13 |
tdasilva | ok, thanks | 19:13 |
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notmyname | any questions around the fall hackathon? | 19:14 |
cutforth | notmyname: thank you, no more questions | 19:14 |
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notmyname | ok, moving on | 19:14 |
notmyname | #topic swift gap analysis follow-up | 19:15 |
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notmyname | now for the "fun" topic | 19:15 |
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notmyname | as I mentioned last week, the TC has done a "gap analysis" of Swift wrt its integration with the rest of OpenStack (all currently-integrated projects have gone through this--we aren't singled out) | 19:15 |
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notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_gap_analysis is a high-level summary, but the real juicy details are in the meeting logs from the TC meeting last week. if you're curious, then go read those | 19:16 |
notmyname | but, here's the summary (again) | 19:17 |
notmyname | there are 2 "gaps" identified | 19:17 |
notmyname | quotation marks are intentional, because these may not in fact be gaps | 19:17 |
notmyname | but they are points of investigation | 19:17 |
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notmyname | the first is about the use of oslo libraries | 19:17 |
notmyname | the second is about releases and versioning | 19:17 |
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notmyname | I've talked with various people about all this, including emaisl with swift-core. | 19:18 |
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notmyname | importantly, I don't want to characterize this as a "fight" | 19:18 |
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notmyname | but it is important to realize that this is unresolved differences that have existed for the past 4+ years. so there is, unfortunately, baggage on each side of the debate | 19:19 |
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mattoliverau | What do the *'s mean in the etherpad next to a few of the oslo libraries? | 19:19 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: I'll get there :-) | 19:20 |
mattoliverau | sorry :) | 19:20 |
notmyname | basically, the situation is that we should either adopt more of the oslo libraries and the common release cycles or convice the TC that it's ok that Swift not do this | 19:20 |
notmyname | so, as mattoliverau referred to, there is an entherpad where we can collect our thoughts and use as a common scratchpad | 19:21 |
notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_gap_scratchpad | 19:21 |
notmyname | I've started it with the 2 issues bolded and then some subpoints under each | 19:21 |
notmyname | today in this meeting I want to focus a little on the oslo usage | 19:21 |
notmyname | I've listed what I think are the 3 big questions that need to be answered for each oslo library | 19:22 |
notmyname | (I found the list of oslo libraries by searching pypi for "oslo" | 19:22 |
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notmyname | so for each, I'd like to answer what the library is doing, what are we doing (ie what would it replace in swift), and what's the impact of using it | 19:22 |
notmyname | some of them (oslo.vmware being the simplest) are just silly to consider for swift | 19:23 |
notmyname | that's why I put a strikethrough on oslo.vmware | 19:23 |
notmyname | the ones I put a * on are the Big Ones (tm). | 19:23 |
notmyname | ie those are the ones that people have specifically called out | 19:23 |
notmyname | config, messaging, and logging | 19:24 |
notmyname | logging is sorta special because it's not a separate library at this time, but I still want to see an analysis of it | 19:24 |
notmyname | here's what I would like to see | 19:24 |
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notmyname | I'd like us, as a group, to each take one or two of these oslo libraries and answer the questions for them | 19:25 |
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notmyname | eg with oslo config, figure out what it would look like to use it, what the impact to swift deployers is, migration paths, gaps in the oslo library, etc | 19:25 |
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notmyname | the ones with a * are bigger, and therefore I think that if one person takes it, that's the only one they should take | 19:26 |
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notmyname | make sense? | 19:26 |
notmyname | (I'm about to ask for volunteers) | 19:26 |
notmyname | any questions so far? | 19:26 |
cschwede_ | makes sense to me. should we add ourselves to the etherpad to the libs we are going to investigating? | 19:27 |
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cschwede_ | s/investigating/investigate | 19:27 |
notmyname | cschwede_: yes, feel free to add yourself to the etherpad. also, say somethere in here now when you do :-) | 19:27 |
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notmyname | that's my call for volunteers. who wants to look at what oslo libraries | 19:28 |
mattoliverau | re: logging, it seems a bit dirty to me as its still incubated but is suppose to be treated as released. But incubated means no pip.. so does that mean a copy and paste job? | 19:28 |
cschwede_ | notmyname: k. i’ll have a look at oslo.serialization first | 19:29 |
acoles | i'll look at oslo.config | 19:29 |
acoles | made a start already on that | 19:29 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: we're not going to use copy/paste code that is externally managed in swift. so that's a non-starter. but assuming that it will be released, the common perspective will be that we should use it until we convince the TC it's ok that we don't | 19:29 |
notmyname | acoles: thansk | 19:29 |
notmyname | cschwede_: thanks | 19:29 |
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torgomatic | let's put our names by our comments; I also have stuff to say about oslo.config, and I don't want to put words in acoles's mouth | 19:30 |
notmyname | yes, good point | 19:30 |
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notmyname | it's hard to track who said what on an etherpad. | 19:30 |
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notmyname | torgomatic: what about simply writing your name at the top so there is a color match to your name? | 19:31 |
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acoles | isn't there an oslo.nametracker? | 19:31 |
torgomatic | lol | 19:31 |
notmyname | heh | 19:31 |
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notmyname | yes, please put your name next to your comments in the etherpad | 19:32 |
notmyname | cschwede_: can you take another one too? I think i18n is small. also rootwrap | 19:32 |
cschwede_ | notmyname: yes, i was thinking about i18n | 19:32 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: hurricanerix: gvernik: cutforth: any you can look in to? | 19:33 |
notmyname | and kota_ :-) | 19:33 |
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notmyname | oh, now maybe we can volunteer zaitcev for one :-) | 19:33 |
portante_ | oslo.db | 19:34 |
gvernik | i will look over it also | 19:34 |
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notmyname | portante_: is that for you? | 19:34 |
mattoliverau | I'm happy to look at any, I guess I'll start with logging as it's highlighted then maybe using oslo.db and see how it could connect to sqllite etc | 19:34 |
portante | for zaitcev ... :) | 19:34 |
portante | happy to volunteer others ... | 19:34 |
cschwede_ | heh! | 19:34 |
notmyname | hurricanerix: thanks for taking logging. I think there's a lot to consider there. let me know if you have any questions | 19:34 |
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notmyname | portante: heh | 19:34 |
zaitcev | That "db" thing sounds like a database. | 19:34 |
zaitcev | Are we importing a database from Oslo now? | 19:34 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: hurricanerix got logging. can you take messaging? | 19:35 |
mattoliverau | sure | 19:35 |
torgomatic | zaitcev: how else will we store all our container listings in Mongo? /s | 19:35 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks. also, I think that one is kinda big, so please talk to me at any time about it | 19:35 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: specifically, the point made by the TC is that we aren't using oslo.messaging and are instead using statsd | 19:35 |
kota_ | I'll take oslo.rootwrap | 19:36 |
notmyname | torgomatic: can you take 3 small ones? db, rootwrap, and oslotest | 19:36 |
notmyname | kota_: ok. can you also look at middleware? | 19:36 |
mattoliverau | notmyname: k, may need to talk to you about it then.. when I'm more awake :P | 19:36 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: no worries :-) | 19:36 |
kota_ | notmyname: k | 19:36 |
torgomatic | notmyname: sure, I can look at those... I think portante is taking db though | 19:37 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: or maybe you can ask torgomatic nicely and he can do messaging and you can take a few smaller one s: -) | 19:37 |
torgomatic | unless I misunderstood what he said | 19:37 |
torgomatic | (which is entirely possible) | 19:37 |
notmyname | I think portante has only volunteered others | 19:37 |
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torgomatic | nobody told me he got promoted to management! congratulations! ;) | 19:37 |
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notmyname | lol | 19:37 |
mattoliverau | lol | 19:37 |
notmyname | torgomatic: db and oslotest are all that's left | 19:38 |
mattoliverau | torgomatic: if you want messaging it's yours, but happy to give it a whirl. If you do take it I'll take the smaller ones that are left :) | 19:38 |
torgomatic | notmyname: I can take a look at those two, sure | 19:38 |
portante | torgomatic: yes, thanks, it is great feeling ... | 19:38 |
notmyname | torgomatic: thanks | 19:39 |
mattoliverau | cool, done then | 19:39 |
notmyname | thanks, everyone | 19:39 |
* portante would like to take a minute at the end of the meeting to esplain ... | 19:39 | |
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notmyname | I'm going to the openstack ops meetup in san antonio in a few weeks. I'm specifically going to bring up some of these things to get feedback there | 19:39 |
notmyname | dhellmann: you're editing stuff now? | 19:40 |
notmyname | dhellmann: we already use pbr, that's why it's not on the list (like oslosphinx) | 19:40 |
zaitcev | we aren't going to use stevedore and taskflow, are we | 19:40 |
dhellmann | notmyname: ah, sorry, I was filling out your list when I saw you said you'd only searched for "oslo" on pypi | 19:41 |
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notmyname | I'll look at stevedore and taskflow | 19:42 |
dhellmann | zaitcev: stevedore would be used if you're loading driver code, but I don't know if swift does that | 19:42 |
notmyname | zaitcev: I have no diea | 19:42 |
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notmyname | I've talked to clayg briefly about stevedore. I'll ping him again about it | 19:42 |
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notmyname | dhellmann: what is taskflow? | 19:42 |
dhellmann | it manages multi-step processes in a way that lets you pause, restart, and roll them back | 19:43 |
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dhellmann | josh harlow can fill in more details, he manages that | 19:43 |
notmyname | dhellmann: ok, thanks | 19:43 |
dhellmann | np | 19:43 |
notmyname | ok, let's move on | 19:44 |
notmyname | thanks everyone for taking these. please try to have some information for next week's meeting (some, not all) | 19:44 |
notmyname | peluse: around? | 19:44 |
notmyname | I don't think he's here today | 19:44 |
notmyname | #topic reviews | 19:45 |
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notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:45 |
notmyname | thanks for working on the migration middleware and the keystone reviews. I've seen a bit of back and forth on those this week | 19:45 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: you assigned the affinity+DELETEs bug to yourself on LP. are you working on that? | 19:46 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: if so, what's the status? | 19:46 |
notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1318375 | 19:46 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1318375 in swift "DELETE operation not write affinity aware" [High,New] | 19:46 |
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zaitcev | maybe he stepped off to get a sandwich | 19:47 |
notmyname | or went back to sleep :-) | 19:47 |
mattoliverau | lol i'm here | 19:47 |
notmyname | heh, ok | 19:48 |
kota_ | lol | 19:48 |
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notmyname | mattoliverau: are you working on that bug? | 19:48 |
notmyname | ie a patch | 19:48 |
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mattoliverau | yup, I've just thrown together a swift multi region SAIO for testing it. Will get a version 0.1 up today for a flaming | 19:48 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: awesome. thanks | 19:49 |
mattoliverau | sorry, irc decided to hang | 19:49 |
notmyname | I understand. been there :-) | 19:49 |
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notmyname | the other bug that was reraised this week is addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113180/. several people have looked at it | 19:50 |
notmyname | I think the only outstanding question there is to prove one way or another if a circular logging reference is properly GC'd or not | 19:50 |
notmyname | which seems like a big deal :-) | 19:50 |
notmyname | so if you like such things, I'd appreciate your comments on the patch :-) | 19:51 |
torgomatic | not for a logger whose lifetime virtually matches the process's lifetime | 19:51 |
torgomatic | IMO | 19:51 |
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notmyname | as to other patches, the migration middleware has had some back and forth from acoles and torgomatic with gvernik | 19:52 |
notmyname | is there anything on that to bring up in the meeting? | 19:52 |
portante | can somebody dump the gerrit link here for convenience? | 19:53 |
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notmyname | yes, sorry | 19:53 |
portante | thanks | 19:53 |
notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64430/ | 19:53 |
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kota_ | Hi, I would like to get core review about EfficientReplication | 19:53 |
kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99824/ | 19:53 |
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notmyname | kota_: yes, me too :-) | 19:54 |
kota_ | It's writtend down in PriorityReviews on wiki | 19:54 |
notmyname | (Hi, pot. I'm kettle) | 19:54 |
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kota_ | mattoliverau: thanks for a review! | 19:55 |
notmyname | kota_: I think that one is pretty important. I like the ideas, and I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to look at it personally yet | 19:56 |
kota_ | notmyname: ok, | 19:56 |
mattoliverau | kota_: of course, we've had some back and forths on it, but looks good to me now :) | 19:56 |
notmyname | to all, please keep looking at the priority reviews page, and work your way down it | 19:56 |
kota_ | notmyname: no worries | 19:56 |
notmyname | just a few minutes left... | 19:57 |
notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:57 |
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notmyname | anything else to bring up in the meeting this week? | 19:57 |
torgomatic | the SwiftService patch for python-swiftclient could still use another set of eyes | 19:57 |
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notmyname | torgomatic: can you add that to the priority reviews page, please? | 19:58 |
portante | notmyname: working on keystone V3 review for python swift client | 19:58 |
notmyname | portante: thanks | 19:58 |
torgomatic | notmyname: will do | 19:58 |
acoles | just fyi, i will be away 8/15 - 9/1 | 19:58 |
notmyname | acoles: ah, ok. thanks for the head's up | 19:58 |
notmyname | acoles: vacation? | 19:58 |
portante | it will be one of my last reviews for a while, as my role going forward on the performance team is changing to more consulting and less development work on swift | 19:58 |
acoles | notmyname: yep, italy | 19:58 |
notmyname | acoles: enjoy! | 19:59 |
cschwede_ | acoles: enjoy your vacation! | 19:59 |
notmyname | portante: we'll try to keep finding ways to pull you back! | 19:59 |
acoles | thanks | 19:59 |
mattoliverau | portante: :( that's a shame | 19:59 |
portante | notmyname: thanks | 19:59 |
acoles | portante: appreciate your efforts on that review | 19:59 |
portante | acoles: welcome | 19:59 |
notmyname | last 30 seconds for comments in the meeting.... | 20:00 |
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portante | and for others, if I have dropped the ball on anything, please let me know so that I can wind that down properly ... | 20:00 |
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notmyname | time's up | 20:00 |
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notmyname | thanks, everyone, for coming today | 20:00 |
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notmyname | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 13 20:00:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-08-13-19.01.html | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-08-13-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-08-13-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:01 |
mattoliverau | thanks notmyname | 20:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 13 20:01:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:01 |
zaneb | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
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* jpeeler is here | 20:01 | |
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pas-ha | o/ | 20:01 |
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shardy | o/ | 20:01 |
ryansb | o/ | 20:01 |
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spzala | Hi | 20:01 |
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jasond` | o/ | 20:02 |
zaneb | stevebaker? | 20:02 |
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skraynev | o/ | 20:02 |
tspatzier | hi | 20:02 |
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randallburt | hello | 20:02 |
zaneb | ok, let's get into it | 20:03 |
zaneb | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:03 |
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zaneb | zaneb check with stevebaker about progress on gap coverage plan | 20:03 |
zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Heat_Gap_Coverage#Improved_functional_testing | 20:04 |
zaneb | the plan is up | 20:04 |
stevebaker | Done | 20:04 |
zaneb | we just have to execute | 20:04 |
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zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:04 |
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zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-08-13_2000_UTC.29 | 20:04 |
zaneb | any other topics? | 20:04 |
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stevebaker | Reviews on the functional test changes please | 20:05 |
stevebaker | I do, just getting a keyboard | 20:05 |
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* shardy wonders how stevebaker is typing without a keyboard ;) | 20:06 | |
stevebaker | right | 20:06 |
stevebaker | (phone) | 20:06 |
stevebaker | agenda item: icehouse issues | 20:06 |
shardy | ah | 20:06 |
tspatzier | siri? | 20:06 |
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skraynev | looks very fast... | 20:06 |
zaneb | ok | 20:07 |
zaneb | #topic Mid-cycle meet-up | 20:07 |
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zaneb | Reminder: this is next Mon-Wed | 20:07 |
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zaneb | #action zaneb to email out details of when/where to meet up | 20:08 |
stevebaker | tripleo had a good format, spread the formal topics over the mornings, then hackfest for the rest of the time | 20:08 |
skraynev | zaneb: so the next meeting will be skipped? | 20:08 |
shardy | Do we need to revisit the discussion re stevedore for resource plugins, or has the decision been made now? | 20:08 |
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shardy | I see asalkelkd still has a patch up and IIRC it was somewhat in-flux before I went on PTO | 20:08 |
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zaneb | skraynev: that's probably a good idea... it will be 8am there | 20:09 |
randallburt | shardy: I was going to start looking at those next once the client plugin stuff finally landed | 20:09 |
zaneb | #info next week's Heat IRC meeting is cancelled | 20:09 |
shardy | randallburt: Ok thanks for the info | 20:09 |
skraynev | zaneb: thx | 20:10 |
zaneb | so, spoiler alert: it will be 9am in the lobby of Red Hat Tower on Monday | 20:10 |
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zaneb | #topic Feature Proposal Freeze | 20:10 |
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zaneb | next Thursday is the Feature Proposal Freeze deadline | 20:11 |
skraynev | randallburt: I will try to not block merging of client-plugin patches :) | 20:11 |
randallburt | lol, thanks skraynev ;) | 20:11 |
zaneb | that means that if you want to introduce new features in Juno, there must be patches up for review by then | 20:11 |
mspreitz | zaneb: FPF is deadline for approval? | 20:11 |
mspreitz | oh, got it | 20:11 |
zaneb | mspreitz: no | 20:11 |
stevebaker | zaneb: by when? | 20:11 |
stevebaker | oh, next thursday | 20:12 |
zaneb | stevebaker: next Thursday | 20:12 |
skraynev | randallburt: so for questions only +1 :) | 20:12 |
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randallburt | skraynev: sounds good | 20:12 |
zaneb | this has been your public service announcement | 20:12 |
zaneb | #topic Update replace with dependencies | 20:12 |
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zaneb | I don't know who added this | 20:12 |
mspreitz | what does it mean? | 20:12 |
pas-ha | skraynev | 20:12 |
zaneb | ah, skraynev | 20:12 |
skraynev | it is mine | 20:12 |
skraynev | yes. | 20:13 |
skraynev | it's more similar on one question about bug | 20:13 |
skraynev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1356084 | 20:13 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1356084 in heat "Cannot delete the stack after replacing image during stack-update" [Undecided,New] | 20:13 |
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skraynev | IMO, it's not duplicated, the real problem in resource port and our update replace | 20:13 |
zaneb | so I think that's the same bug as https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1334514 | 20:14 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1334514 in heat "cannot delete the stack after heat-engine down in middle of stack-update" [Medium,Fix committed] | 20:14 |
zaneb | (which is fixed) | 20:14 |
pas-ha | UpdateReplace behavior when the replaced resource has dependencies that allow for only 1 "dependent" | 20:14 |
skraynev | Yes, I saw your comment.. | 20:14 |
pas-ha | like port on Server | 20:14 |
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skraynev | during replace we create second server and try to use old port | 20:15 |
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skraynev | but according to neutron model it's not possible | 20:15 |
stevebaker | nova/neutron port interaction is a mess right now | 20:15 |
zaneb | ah yes, I see your point | 20:15 |
skraynev | to have two servers with same port | 20:15 |
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shardy | skraynev: should you be using the rebuild image update policy? | 20:16 |
stevebaker | we should be able to detach the port from the old server at some point in the update process | 20:16 |
shardy | instead of replacing the server? | 20:16 |
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pas-ha | I think it is more than port, I presume the same would go for volume attached (can not attach to two servers at once) | 20:16 |
skraynev | stevebaker: +1 for this idea | 20:16 |
mspreitz | stevebaker: but timing is wrong, update makes new before deleting old, right? | 20:16 |
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zaneb | didn't we do something like this already for another type of resource? | 20:16 |
zaneb | pas-ha: I suspect that's why VolumeAttachment exists | 20:17 |
pas-ha | true | 20:17 |
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stevebaker | mspreitz: the port would have to be attached to the new post-create | 20:17 |
zaneb | maybe we need a PortAttachment :( | 20:17 |
stevebaker | gah | 20:17 |
skraynev | shardy: hm... I don't think about this case, but as I understand it's different solution which can not help with current bug | 20:18 |
stevebaker | or we deprecate the port resource and make it possible to specify all port details in the server networks list | 20:18 |
zaneb | please nobody implement PortAttachment | 20:18 |
shardy | skraynev: I'm just suggesting it might be a workaround | 20:18 |
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zaneb | stevebaker: that might also eliminate the opposite problem we also have, of Nova deleting the port from under us | 20:18 |
mspreitz | yes, +1 on stevebaker's suggestion | 20:19 |
pas-ha | stevebaker, detaching port from old during update has potential to have a old instance without ports if rollack happens | 20:19 |
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pas-ha | s/rollack/rollback | 20:19 |
stevebaker | zaneb: it gets better, currently nova *doesn't* always delete ports that it creates, resulting in undeletable stacks! | 20:19 |
skraynev | shardy: may be. I think about some hacking of update replace process. | 20:19 |
zaneb | stevebaker: what, do they just roll some dice??? | 20:20 |
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stevebaker | I was going to suggest a summit session on a rich server networks property | 20:20 |
pas-ha | may be smth like post/pre-replace | 20:20 |
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skraynev | zaneb: it's destiny ... :) | 20:20 |
zaneb | I'd like to have a summit session on a sensible API for neutron | 20:20 |
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stevebaker | zaneb: and now they're talking manging port lifecycle in novaclient ;) | 20:21 |
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stevebaker | managing | 20:21 |
zaneb | when it's easier to store state in the client(s) than your server, you know you've taken a wrong turn | 20:21 |
skraynev | pas-ha: do you mean this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89363/19 ? | 20:22 |
stevebaker | anyhoo, arosen has a change to fix the port deleting which is still in review | 20:22 |
zaneb | because nobody ever uses clients on different machines... | 20:22 |
pas-ha | skraynev, not really, more of resource (not stack) plugpoints | 20:23 |
pas-ha | and not really plugs, just another function of the Resource class | 20:23 |
skraynev | pas-ha: only for port resource? | 20:24 |
pas-ha | which if implemented makes what's needed during update-replace | 20:24 |
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zaneb | #action skraynev document mob wisdom on bug 1356084 in launchpad | 20:24 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1356084 in heat "Cannot delete the stack after replacing image during stack-update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1356084 | 20:24 |
zaneb | moving along.... | 20:24 |
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pas-ha | well, if it is only port that misbehaves, than I'd vote for stevebaker proposition | 20:24 |
zaneb | #topic icehouse issues | 20:24 |
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zaneb | stevebaker: we have icehouse issues? | 20:24 |
stevebaker | I don't have the link, but search for "heat rstrip" on ask.openstack.org | 20:25 |
zaneb | aha, I know it well | 20:25 |
stevebaker | there seems to be many people getting this | 20:25 |
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zaneb | does anyone remember which patch fixed it in Juno? | 20:26 |
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zaneb | #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/44120/heat-and-image-nontype-object-has-no-attribute-rstrip/ | 20:27 |
zaneb | #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/22518/failed-to-create-stack-got-error-nonetype-object-has-no-attribute-rstrip/ | 20:27 |
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zaneb | I'll take that as a no | 20:28 |
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zaneb | #action stevebaker raise a launchpad bug for rstrip(None) issue from ask.openstack | 20:29 |
shardy | Looks a lot like https://answers.launchpad.net/heat/+question/232632 | 20:29 |
zaneb | since apparently none of the people asking are going to do it | 20:29 |
stevebaker | the other issue is that the install guides (and installers like packstack) are not setting up the stack domain, and lots of people are having auth issues, which I assume is just them not using an admin user | 20:30 |
shardy | It's not folks upgrading and using havana config files is it? | 20:30 |
shardy | stevebaker: recent packstack does create it | 20:30 |
stevebaker | oh, good | 20:30 |
zaneb | ooh, could be | 20:30 |
shardy | stevebaker: I can take an action to contribute docs, after FPF | 20:30 |
shardy | I blog-documented it, but need to refactor into official docs | 20:31 |
stevebaker | shardy: there is a docs bug to do that. | 20:31 |
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zaneb | #topic Critical issues sync | 20:34 |
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zaneb | we have one open at the moment | 20:34 |
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zaneb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1356097 | 20:34 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1356097 in heat "stack-update from a non-HOT stack to a HOT stack fails" [High,In progress] | 20:34 |
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zaneb | I approved stevebaker's fix | 20:34 |
zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113739/ | 20:35 |
zaneb | not sure what will happen if he doesn't remove W-I-P | 20:35 |
stevebaker | I can do that | 20:35 |
skraynev | we can wait and will see result :) | 20:35 |
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zaneb | it definitely isn't in the gate atm | 20:36 |
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stevebaker | I have approved myself | 20:36 |
zaneb | w00t | 20:36 |
zaneb | Starting gate jobs. | 20:37 |
zaneb | sorted. | 20:37 |
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zaneb | lifeless: ^ FYI | 20:37 |
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zaneb | anything else critical? | 20:38 |
zaneb | we've discussed a couple already | 20:38 |
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stevebaker | could we quickly talk about the review queue? | 20:39 |
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zaneb | it sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1354962 is fixed at least | 20:39 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1354962 in heat "stack-update adding a parameter leads to heat stack-list breaking" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 20:39 |
zaneb | ok yes, let's talk about the review queue | 20:39 |
stevebaker | its big. | 20:39 |
stevebaker | next topic! | 20:39 |
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randallburt | review the last few client plugin patches please? | 20:40 |
randallburt | we're almost there. | 20:40 |
stevebaker | I wonder if we should have a curated list of priority reviews, like swift does | 20:40 |
zaneb | it's big all right | 20:40 |
ryansb | +1 for priority review queue | 20:40 |
pas-ha | how is this one sorted? http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#heat | 20:41 |
stevebaker | because as a core its hard to know where my reviewing effort is best applied | 20:41 |
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skraynev | agree about priority | 20:42 |
zaneb | it's my impression that the stuff that would go in a priority review queue is actually being reviewed | 20:42 |
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stevebaker | pas-ha: that is things which are ready for review attention, but it makes no distinction between priority, bugs, features, strategic vs tactical | 20:42 |
zaneb | and the backlog is of stuff that is not going to be regarded by core as priority | 20:42 |
zaneb | mostly because it comes from people outside core | 20:42 |
zaneb | I'm not holding this up as an example of the system working, btw | 20:43 |
zaneb | just as a reason that a priority queue might not improved it | 20:43 |
randallburt | probably more the opposite | 20:43 |
lifeless | zaneb: wicked thanks | 20:43 |
shardy | zaneb: I agree, I think most of us are vaguely aware of the priorities for the looming milestone and review accordingly, but it's the remaining stuff which can fall through the cracks | 20:43 |
zaneb | I'd be interested in hearing different opinions though | 20:43 |
stevebaker | zaneb: I think I'm suggesting we add to your busylist as the owner of the curated list | 20:43 |
shardy | which a priority list will probably make worse | 20:44 |
zaneb | I know stevebaker is keen to get his client patches merged soon ;) | 20:44 |
randallburt | I look at them more as "ours" at this point ;) | 20:44 |
zaneb | stevebaker: -2 | 20:44 |
shardy | that said, with finite time before the release, perhaps we should priotitize between now and FF | 20:44 |
randallburt | joint custody | 20:44 |
stevebaker | zaneb: if so, I would be volunteering to curate ;) | 20:44 |
randallburt | maybe something to discuss more at the mid-summit? | 20:44 |
zaneb | stevebaker: but it's the low-priority stuff I am most worried about | 20:45 |
zaneb | we are not being very friendly to new contributors | 20:45 |
zaneb | or, more accurately, to the majority of our non-core contributors | 20:46 |
stevebaker | randallburt: good idea. Long term I'd like a purely technical solution to prioritising review order | 20:46 |
randallburt | stevebaker: very agreed | 20:46 |
stevebaker | zaneb: having a list doesn't preclude other things being reviewed | 20:46 |
zaneb | btw if people want me to review stuff, add me to the review in Gerrit | 20:47 |
mspreitz | zaneb: I have been assuming that would be rude.. | 20:47 |
pas-ha | zaneb, be careful with that :) | 20:47 |
mspreitz | assuming everyone is busy already | 20:47 |
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zaneb | so, ideally you know who in core is an expert in the area of the code you're changing | 20:48 |
stevebaker | I need to go soon | 20:48 |
zaneb | and you add them to the review | 20:48 |
randallburt | not rude at all. its gotten to the point where I have people emailing me directly asking for reviews. bad sign if you ask me. | 20:48 |
shardy | mspreitz: actually, provided you do it in a targeted way, it's appreciated, as it makes finding reviews relevant to you easier | 20:48 |
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zaneb | I don't think it's rude, because I can easily remove myself again :) | 20:48 |
mspreitz | zaneb: great | 20:48 |
mspreitz | I will try to do some of that judiciously | 20:48 |
stevebaker | I won't tell you all about the secret feature to add all heat-core ;) | 20:49 |
zaneb | for new contributors, it may be hard to know who the expert is in a particular area | 20:49 |
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shardy | stevebaker: sssh! ;) | 20:49 |
zaneb | I would rather people ask on IRC who the experts are than to ask on IRC for reviews | 20:49 |
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zaneb | stevebaker: no, don't tell us about that | 20:49 |
mspreitz | good clues here, thanks | 20:49 |
randallburt | zaneb: +1 to that. | 20:49 |
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randallburt | gotta run a little early. later, heaters. | 20:50 |
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zaneb | pinging for reviews interrupts people and it only a one-off | 20:50 |
zaneb | adding folks in Gerrit is sticky | 20:50 |
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shardy | zaneb: +1, particularly if, as some folks are doing, it's pinging multiple times a day :( | 20:50 |
mspreitz | So I have one other topic for opens | 20:50 |
zaneb | shardy: yes, we want to discourage that | 20:51 |
* zaneb has been known to ignore reviews from folks who ping/email too much | 20:51 | |
zaneb | btw any email is too much | 20:51 |
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zaneb | #info if you need reviews, add the core team members who are experts in the domain of the patch to the review in Gerrit | 20:52 |
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zaneb | #info if you don't know who the experts are, ask on IRC - that's better than asking for reviews on IRC | 20:53 |
zaneb | #topic Open Discussion | 20:53 |
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zaneb | mspreitz: you had something | 20:53 |
mspreitz | Simple, really: does anybody have any template that uses Neutron LBaaS, and works? | 20:53 |
skraynev | zaneb: what about old review, where all experts were added ? will be enough to rebase this change? | 20:53 |
pas-ha | I had one for havana | 20:53 |
zaneb | skraynev: that generates a notification, so usually yes | 20:54 |
mspreitz | pas-ha: pls share | 20:54 |
mspreitz | or do you know it's broken now? | 20:54 |
pas-ha | https://github.com/pshchelo/stackdev/tree/master/templates/demo | 20:54 |
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pas-ha | look there, I was doing demo HEat vs Murano and was asked for some templates | 20:54 |
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pas-ha | this one https://github.com/pshchelo/stackdev/blob/master/templates/demo/demo-neutronlb.yaml was working during Icehouse cycle, not havana | 20:55 |
mspreitz | pas-ha: will try, thanks | 20:56 |
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skraynev | mspreitz: I had one more form this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60078/10/tempest/scenario/orchestration/test_loadbalancer.yaml | 20:56 |
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ryansb | (beep, 4 minute warning) | 20:57 |
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mspreitz | skraynev: what uses TestFIP? | 20:57 |
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skraynev | mspreitz: it was used for test | 20:58 |
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pas-ha | mspreitz, ping me if smth not clear | 20:58 |
mspreitz | my question is: I do not see it attached to anything | 20:58 |
mspreitz | pas-ha's example has an attachment | 20:59 |
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skraynev | mspreitz: to send request to lbaas from external network | 20:59 |
zaneb | ok, let's jump back to #heat | 20:59 |
mspreitz | I will follow up directly, thanks | 20:59 |
zaneb | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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