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| loquacities | #startmeeting DocTeam | 03:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 03:03:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 03:03 |
| loquacities | hi everyone! | 03:03 |
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| slong | hi everyone! | 03:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello! | 03:04 |
| brucer | hello | 03:04 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:05 | |
| loquacities | no action items from last meeting, from what i can see | 03:05 |
| * loquacities goes to look at the previous meeting | 03:05 | |
| * slong is told | 03:06 | |
| slong | that she has the only item, to do the Tox HowTo. | 03:06 |
| slong | I did do that, asked Andreas for a review. | 03:06 |
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| slong | No answer back BUT in the meantime Tox installation had difficulties with my next PC install. | 03:07 |
| loquacities | slong to update the howto with the new tools update | 03:07 |
| loquacities | sorry guys, i'm really laggy | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: did you try caffeine? | 03:07 |
| slong | So, am not sure whether to include those detailed steps, or whether to leave it to Andreas to say something. | 03:07 |
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| loquacities | lol, blame the red hat network :P | 03:09 |
| loquacities | #topic Doc tools update - 0.6 release of openstack-doc-tools | 03:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools update - 0.6 release of openstack-doc-tools (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:09 | |
| slong | loquacities: I'm on the same network...blame the MAC | 03:09 |
| loquacities | yeah, yeah, ok :P | 03:09 |
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| slong | Tox=tools...anything else? | 03:11 |
| brucer | no-one blames the Mac | 03:11 |
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| loquacities | ok, moving on | 03:12 |
| loquacities | #topic Style Guide for config strings going into HACKING.rst | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Style Guide for config strings going into HACKING.rst (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:12 | |
| slong | Does anyone know what that is? | 03:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i suspect andreas would | 03:13 |
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| slong | who is still sleeping | 03:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah :/ | 03:13 |
| loquacities | i don't know what that is | 03:13 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: any clues? | 03:13 |
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| loquacities | ok, np | 03:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont know what it is either | 03:13 |
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| loquacities | #topic Next APAC docs meeting f2f in Brisbane | 03:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next APAC docs meeting f2f in Brisbane (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:14 | |
| loquacities | well, we're doing that now | 03:14 |
| slong | :) | 03:14 |
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| loquacities | hi brisbane people! o/ | 03:15 |
| loquacities | ok, next | 03:15 |
| loquacities | #topic Operations Guide edits from O'Reilly, master and feature/edits branches | 03:15 |
| loquacities | i believe they're in progress, i've seen patches | 03:15 |
| loquacities | and reviewed them | 03:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Operations Guide edits from O'Reilly, master and feature/edits branches (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:15 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | i've gone through a few cycles too | 03:16 |
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| slong | what's the end date for that? | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think end of this week for this round | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | it was last week, and i think anne pushed it out | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | which was a Good Thing | 03:16 |
| slong | I didn't realise the edits were going through openstack, thought it was internal to O'Reilly | 03:17 |
| notloquacity | yeah, i heard that too | 03:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm | 03:17 |
| loquacities | #topic Proposals for OpenStack Summit due 2/14, Design Summit tracks will be set in April | 03:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposals for OpenStack Summit due 2/14, Design Summit tracks will be set in April (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:18 | |
| Sam-I-Am | do you want me to ask anne? | 03:18 |
| loquacities | i think that's over | 03:18 |
| slong | Will there be any doc pressies? | 03:18 |
| loquacities | anne put something in, AFAIK | 03:18 |
| slong | tom is still on vacation? | 03:19 |
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| loquacities | #topic API Docs blueprint updated: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-os-api-docs | 03:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API Docs blueprint updated: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-os-api-docs (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:20 | |
| annegentle | yeah I put in a proposal | 03:20 |
| annegentle | slong: we'll have a doc track like last time | 03:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: tom is around, but traveling iirc | 03:20 |
| slong | woohoo! | 03:20 |
| slong | We're trying to get someone there, no idea if it will work. | 03:21 |
| loquacities | heya annegentle :) | 03:21 |
| annegentle | heya | 03:21 |
| loquacities | anything on the API blueprint? | 03:22 |
| slong | anything on API work? | 03:22 |
| slong | :D | 03:22 |
| * annegentle lurks and tries to get kids to go to sleep! | 03:23 | |
| loquacities | #topic Giveaways: Oxygen licenses are available, Travel Program for Summit, and Write the Docs in Budapest | 03:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Giveaways: Oxygen licenses are available, Travel Program for Summit, and Write the Docs in Budapest (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:23 | |
| annegentle | not really much, other than to note that Diane's not going to do the movement of all those api spec/references to the project repos | 03:23 |
| martinlopes | annegentle: is there perhaps a chance I could get my hands on an Oxygen license? | 03:24 |
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| annegentle | martinlopes: YES! | 03:25 |
| annegentle | martinlopes: pm me your email | 03:25 |
| loquacities | :D | 03:25 |
| martinlopes | aww yiss | 03:25 |
| brucer | annegentle: did you get my email some weeks ago also asking for Ox lic? | 03:26 |
| brucer | can't find reply... | 03:26 |
| loquacities | #topic Installation guide updates for Icehouse | 03:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Installation guide updates for Icehouse (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:26 | |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: updates? | 03:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah.. | 03:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | i split up the huge neutron source file | 03:27 |
| loquacities | ... | 03:27 |
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| loquacities | nice | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks to anne for approving it quickly... only had 2 merge issues. | 03:27 |
| slong | !! | 03:27 |
| openstack | slong: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats the first step to cleaning up the content | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: ? | 03:27 |
| slong | Congrats on only 2 merge issues :) | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | it was... "fun" | 03:28 |
| slong | Martin had a monster merge issue yesterday, we all had fun. | 03:28 |
| annegentle | brucer: looking... sorry! Email has been a challenge lately | 03:28 |
| martinlopes | we had our finest minds working on the issue. | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | also, the ubuntu packages for icehouse are "more fixed" | 03:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so i was able to build a basic system with nova-network | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, horizon is hosed | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i e-mailed chuck short, but havent heard anything | 03:29 |
| slong | I haven't installed icehouse at all yet. Waiting for the next RDO package. | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i think i cc'd you on those emails | 03:29 |
| martinlopes | a patch was commited while mine was under review, with the result that git review was unable to resolve the conflict. had to manually add the updated xml during rebase, push the change, then do another push with my new content | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | martinlopes: a patch was committed to a file that my patch deleted :/ | 03:30 |
| slong | It's those things that make us crazy! | 03:30 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah I saw the chuck short ones... | 03:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont think anyone expected the massive neutron changes | 03:30 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: it's good ubuntu's on it, they're usually the trailing :) | 03:31 |
| zul | Sam-I-Am / annegentle: send me another email i might have missed it | 03:31 |
| ddomingo | the cloud admin guide's networking intro file's too big, IMHO. | 03:31 |
| annegentle | zul: the one I saw you had responded to :) | 03:31 |
| zul | annegentle: oh never mind then :) | 03:31 |
| annegentle | ddomingo: yeah is that the one you'd split out into a new networking guide Sam-I-Am? | 03:31 |
| slong | RDO has put out a couple of packages, but I hit issues. Blame the user. | 03:31 |
| annegentle | zul: but do you know if horizon is still hosed? Sam-I-Am may know | 03:32 |
| ddomingo | ah good | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | zul: i sent two out last week regarding horizon and some dependency problems | 03:32 |
| zul | annegentle: could be i havent looked at it | 03:32 |
| zul | yeah i was sprinting last week so i might have missed them | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i split the install guide's neutron source file, not the cloud admin guide. | 03:33 |
| ddomingo | annegentle, is the new networking guide coming out in Icehouse? | 03:33 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah just thinking of the direction the subteam mentioned | 03:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | zul: i sent them on feb 12th and 13th | 03:34 |
| annegentle | ddomingo: depends on how far they get on install arch really... it wasn't planned for but the demand is high :) | 03:34 |
| loquacities | #topic Docs core, docs team | 03:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs core, docs team (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:34 | |
| loquacities | annegentle: did you want to speak to that item? | 03:34 |
| ddomingo | thanks annegentle | 03:34 |
| annegentle | loquacities: sure, basically just wanted to give a chance for people to talk about my reluctance to move to voting :) | 03:34 |
| loquacities | for docs core? | 03:35 |
| annegentle | loquacities: yeah, so the -infra team uses an invite system and has stuck with 4-5 core folks | 03:35 |
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| zul | Sam-I-Am: ill check tomorrow | 03:35 |
| annegentle | loquacities: I've found their model works well for docs too | 03:35 |
| loquacities | how many core do we have? | 03:35 |
| annegentle | loquacities: but I can easily be swayed | 03:35 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:35 |
| slong | How many do you want? | 03:35 |
| loquacities | do we have many inactive core? | 03:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | zul: thanks a bunch | 03:35 |
| annegentle | loquacities: way more than 4-5 right now, more like 18, but not active | 03:36 |
| annegentle | slong: I think it's nice to rotate reviewers so we don't burn people out | 03:36 |
| annegentle | slong: so I don't have a number in mind other than probably smaller than we have now :) | 03:36 |
| loquacities | we probably need to clear out the chaff then | 03:37 |
| annegentle | slong: I also look for long-term rather than short bursts | 03:37 |
| slong | annegentle: makes sense | 03:37 |
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| annegentle | loquacities: yeah I've been taking people off who aren't active, emailing to let them know | 03:37 |
| loquacities | nice | 03:38 |
| loquacities | i don't think i hold an opinion between invite and voting, i'd be happy with either | 03:38 |
| annegentle | slong: loquacities: and always looking for input -- do we need more reviwers? Do we need "book owners"? Do we need project doc leads who would also be on coare? | 03:38 |
| annegentle | core (can't spell!) | 03:38 |
| loquacities | that's a much bigger conversation | 03:39 |
| annegentle | the way I've done it so far is to invite people and check with current core to make sure the addition is a match | 03:39 |
| slong | annegentle: we had a conversation here about book owners before. | 03:39 |
| annegentle | loquacities: slong: yeppers | 03:39 |
| slong | The way there's a tech lead for the project. | 03:39 |
| slong | but, yes, very big convo. | 03:39 |
| loquacities | i wonder if having book owners would create fiefdoms | 03:39 |
| slong | Back to the invite, isn't it based anyway on how much people have done? | 03:39 |
| loquacities | and then you end up with style/convention conflict between books/projects | 03:39 |
| annegentle | slong: totally | 03:40 |
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| slong | annegentle: so, to that, am fine with invite, shows what people have been doing. I'd have no idea if had to vote. | 03:40 |
| annegentle | slong: cool | 03:40 |
| ddomingo | on a related note, are there no rules/responsibilities for staying core? as in, "to stay core, you have to approve/deny X number of patches within Y time" (RE: keeping a more updated list of core members) | 03:41 |
| loquacities | ddomingo: not specifically, but generally, yes | 03:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i think we need more contributors :/ | 03:42 |
| ddomingo | i mean an automated process, so we don't have to manually review each core member every period | 03:42 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: +1 | 03:43 |
| annegentle | ddomingo: not that I know of (not for docs for sure, also not sure if any project's doing that) | 03:43 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: agreed | 03:43 |
| brucer | ddomingo votes to write a script :-0 | 03:43 |
| loquacities | not that i've heard of | 03:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's just so much to do | 03:43 |
| slong | annegentle: get andreas to write a vote-stats tool :) | 03:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | someone earlier pinged me about the training guides | 03:43 |
| loquacities | ok, i might do this ... | 03:44 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 03:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: DocTeam)" | 03:44 | |
| annegentle | heh loquacities :) | 03:44 |
| ddomingo | what about if gerrit automatically nominates someone for Core once he/she has merged X number of patches? or something. | 03:44 |
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| loquacities | that could be dangerous ... | 03:44 |
| slong | but nominating isn't giving | 03:45 |
| ddomingo | ^ true | 03:45 |
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| annegentle | ddomingo: have you seen http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/docs-reviewers-90.txt -- that's helpful | 03:45 |
| loquacities | a private email to core once someone hits X merged patches could work | 03:45 |
| annegentle | ddomingo: and each project has stats like that | 03:46 |
| annegentle | loquacities: ddomingo: yeah interesting | 03:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: heh, the usual suspects are in there. | 03:46 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah we do have new contributors, but just a few (and they're gems really). I'm not too worried about microcosmic numbers as the year over year trends are encouraging. | 03:48 |
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| annegentle | I'm not discouraged at all by our contributor numbers, they are trending up and high quality which is best :) | 03:48 |
| loquacities | awesome | 03:48 |
| slong | yes, very nice. | 03:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | how is quality measured? | 03:49 |
| loquacities | objectively ;) | 03:49 |
| ddomingo | Sam-I-Am, i would think that if a patch is merged, then it meets upstream standard. | 03:49 |
| loquacities | yeah, merged patches is a reasonable metric | 03:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 03:49 |
| slong | annegentle: just wanted to let you know that we'd thought here that 'reviewing' was an activity left until we had a bit under the belt. | 03:50 |
| slong | Have been disabused of this notion, and will start reviewing more. | 03:50 |
| annegentle | slong: that's good to know. | 03:50 |
| slong | All of us... | 03:50 |
| annegentle | slong: yeah that's not my intent at all, but perception is reality so let's give that boost :) | 03:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have trouble keeping up with the different things. | 03:51 |
| annegentle | slong: honestly I wish more openstack community members would feel confident enough to review docs... had a similar conversation with Rackers too. | 03:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | patching seems to come first, then reviewing... and lately i'm forgetting to take a look at new bugs | 03:51 |
| slong | annegentle: yes, it just wasn't talked about when I first started, so assumed (silly me). | 03:52 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: oh me too, dangit. Need to triage those doc bugs, I've relied on Tom forever. | 03:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: in my case, a lot of the patches i see involve either a) languages i'm not familiar with b) concepts/projects i'm not familiar with | 03:52 |
| annegentle | he was so darn quick at it | 03:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | did he just stop? | 03:53 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah apparently drowning in projects after coming back from holiday | 03:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah | 03:53 |
| ddomingo | the slack seems to have been picked up, i see a reasonable turnaround on my patches still | 03:53 |
| loquacities | ok, i think we can probably call it a meeting ... | 03:54 |
| annegentle | I'm going to a Trove meetup tomorrow afternoon, they have a tech writer attending remotely, Laurel Michaels | 03:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | this all goes back to "need more bodies" ... particularly bodies who live and breathe this stuff. | 03:54 |
| annegentle | (Trove is Database as a service) | 03:54 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: and write and stuff :) | 03:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | right | 03:54 |
| loquacities | ok, any other comments ... ? | 03:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm good. productive meeting. | 03:55 |
| loquacities | awesome :) | 03:55 |
| loquacities | thanks everyone | 03:55 |
| annegentle | nope! Thanks y'all! | 03:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm more awake at 8pm than 7am | 03:55 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 03:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 03:55:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-02-19-03.03.html | 03:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-02-19-03.03.txt | 03:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-02-19-03.03.log.html | 03:55 |
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| andreaf | afazekas, dkranz: if you have time for a review today, the next part of the multi-auth bp is available here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73704/11 - it's a relatively small patch this time | 11:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 15:00:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello, how is around this week? | 15:00 |
| matel | I am here for a short time. | 15:01 |
| leifz | I am around. | 15:01 |
| sandywalsh_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| BobBall | I am also here | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Ok, so lets jump to matel | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic XenServer CI | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XenServer CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:01 | |
| johnthetubaguy | matel BobBall : tell me good news :D | 15:02 |
| BobBall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/67274/ | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | … and any bad news | 15:02 |
| BobBall | That's the good news | 15:02 |
| matel | Okay, I guess I'll do it with Bob. | 15:02 |
| BobBall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/67277/ is the bad news | 15:02 |
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| matel | So We are commenting on successful runs | 15:02 |
| BobBall | {'Collected': 31, 'Finished': 142, 'Running': 14, 'Queued': 62} are the current queue stats | 15:03 |
| BobBall | difference between "Collected" and "finished" is that collected has got the results, and finished has posted them | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, cool, are we getting complete within the correct timeframe? | 15:03 |
| BobBall | we are not posting about failures ATM | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | It's complete now. | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: totally makes sense right now | 15:03 |
| BobBall | I can post failures now if we want | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, do we know what they are yet? | 15:04 |
| BobBall | but I personally want verification of most of the failures before I turn on auto failure posting | 15:04 |
| BobBall | That was the bad news | 15:04 |
| BobBall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/67277/ | 15:04 |
| BobBall | Those are the 30 failures | 15:04 |
| BobBall | some are real (e.g. 73539 | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 15:04 |
| BobBall | some are not real | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | BUT all that we've looked at so far have corresponding defects in the gate | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess it would be good to see that jenkins signature match | 15:05 |
| BobBall | I do not know yet whether we are suffering a higher hit rate of those defects - and if we are whether they are related to the environment | 15:05 |
| leifz | Was wondering if this was just current stability ranking. Is that what you are saying Bob? | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | sorry leifz ? not sure I understand? | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | {'': 14, 'Failed': 30, None: 62, 'Passed': 139, 'Aborted: Unknown': 4} | 15:05 |
| leifz | Is the failure rate in line with current gate failure rate. | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | is what bob posted | 15:06 |
| BobBall | ah yes - I don't know leifz | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, its usually under a few percent, good question though | 15:06 |
| BobBall | I asked yesterday what the current rate was but didn't get an answer and haven't saked again / chased | 15:06 |
| leifz | Thanks. | 15:06 |
| BobBall | There are other issues we've been fixing in the last couple of days to get the stability of the system fixed | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | Do we think its just code issues at this point? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | everything is just code john :) | 15:07 |
| BobBall | We're certainly at the point where we should be trying to track down the failures that I've listed in that page | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | We seem to be hitting test_basic_scenario frequently | 15:08 |
| leifz | LOL stepped into that one. How close do we need to be to be non-voting reporting? | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I would rather we don't report crud, people just assume the thing is broken then | 15:08 |
| BobBall | and while it's an acknowledged gate bug I suspect we're hitting it more, possibly because of slower volume provisioning or something | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so, can we look at getting the gate bug patterns tested against a fail run? | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | see if we hit a gate bug signature, etc | 15:09 |
| BobBall | I'm not giong to look at automating that now | 15:09 |
| BobBall | that's a nice-to-have | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | Manual inspection of the tests for why they are failing is what we should do to get the rates up | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sure, for now it makes sense | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so do we have a public source for this data you are generating? | 15:10 |
| BobBall | Anyway - I'd be happy to argue that we've satisfied what's needed for I-3 | 15:10 |
| BobBall | All passed tests get voted on | 15:10 |
| BobBall | all logs are public | 15:10 |
| BobBall | but these lists are not public, no | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, one more request... | 15:11 |
| BobBall | We could easily create a cronjob to post them somewhere if you want the latest details | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | can we just report the errors as "hmm, we found a problem, we are checking it out" | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | until we have more confedence? | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: cron job of stats would be idea, just so people can check the queue length / status | 15:12 |
| BobBall | We can do that, but I think the current volume means that we will not be able to check out + post on each test - I suspect "we're checking it out" could be seen as a suggestion that they will get another update. | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | An alternative would be to automatically requeue failed jobs once or twice | 15:12 |
| BobBall | but that'll take ages to report on failures | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, I recon, "hmm, we found a bug, we are rechecking" | 15:13 |
| BobBall | Perhaps the first failure we comment on it then say we'll requeue and re-test. | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | "hmm, we still found a bug, we will look into this for you soon" | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | No - not the second one - that doesn't scale | 15:13 |
| BobBall | the patch submitter must be the one who looks into any failures | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, I don't mind us not looking into any of those right now | 15:13 |
| BobBall | on a patch-by-patch basis | 15:13 |
| matel | Idon't think, we are offering any kind of service like "look into this for you soon" | 15:13 |
| BobBall | we can look into more common failures | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the issue is, if we don't have the gate bot to tell us about errors, then we can't ask the patch submitter to do it yet | 15:14 |
| BobBall | One thing that I would like to add is "Patch failed tests XYZ" which should be easy to grep | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:14 |
| BobBall | and if we get that info - even if it's just internal - then we can easily group failures. | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | So the big think I would love is just warn people we are still testing the system, and we found an error, just it might not be an error | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I don't understand that sentence john? ^^ | 15:15 |
| leifz | Dumb question: do we run current trunk (no patches) on any period? | 15:15 |
| matel | I think, instead of throwing in ideas, we would need to really ask, what needs to be done to protect XenAPI's place in the trunk. | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | leifz: who is we? | 15:15 |
| BobBall | No leifz, not currently | 15:15 |
| BobBall | but patches continue to pass | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | if all patches start to fail then it'll be a trunk thing | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: let me try again | 15:15 |
| leifz | Any of the reporting tests. | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | So the big thing I would love is: warn people we are still testing the system, but still tell them we found an error, just it might not be an error, it could the test system that is a bit funny | 15:16 |
| BobBall | 15:14 < johnthetubaguy> so the issue is, if we don't have the gate bot to tell us about errors, then we can't ask the patch submitter to do it yet | 15:16 |
| BobBall | That sentence | 15:16 |
| leifz | I agree with matel on ^^ | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh I see | 15:17 |
| BobBall | Agreed with matel too - just didn't see his msg. Sorry matel. | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: its the stuff that tells you which bug you hit | 15:17 |
| BobBall | ATM we need to be focused on the minimum. | 15:17 |
| BobBall | e-r makes people lazy | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | It's not unreasonable to expect people to look at logs without e-r. | 15:17 |
| matel | It's OK, and I think it's fun to spend time with CI systems, but we really have to align our efforts with the requirements. | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, I am about setting expectations | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need to report errors | 15:18 |
| BobBall | e-r doesn't comment on any other third party systems does it? | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I would rather we told people we are not sure about them | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | until the point where we are more sure it is an error | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | hang on, let me re-read the wiki page | 15:18 |
| BobBall | Where does other third party system do that? | 15:18 |
| BobBall | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#requirements for others | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats not the Nova one | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix/DeprecationPlan | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | So, to meet #1 you need to report errors | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | for #2 we need a cron job to show the status of our queue | 15:20 |
| BobBall | Fine - so we can do all of that now. | 15:20 |
| BobBall | I'No we don't | 15:20 |
| BobBall | Cron job is extra | 15:20 |
| BobBall | If it does it then that satisfies the requirement. | 15:20 |
| BobBall | But I agree that we should have a cron job so you at RAX can monitor the queue too. | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, lets go through those requirements, just to check | 15:21 |
| matel | The job need not be voting, but must be informational so that cores have an increased level of confidence in the patch | 15:21 |
| matel | Results should come no later than four hours after patch submission at peak load | 15:21 |
| matel | Tests should include a full run of Tempest at a minimum, but may include other tests as appropriate | 15:21 |
| matel | Results should be accessible to the world and include log files archived for at least six months | 15:21 |
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| matel | The tempest configuration being used must be published | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we don't reports errors, we don't meet #1 right? | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | I can turn on reporting of errors immediately | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | how can we prove #2 without some kind of heath of queue status page? | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | by looking at the times we reported on the patch. | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: that sounds good, just can we make a note saying we are not sure yet? | 15:22 |
| BobBall | it's very obvious from the patch whether we met the 4 hour or not. | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: thats a bit nuts though | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we publish our localrc config and list of tempest skips (assuming there are none?) | 15:23 |
| BobBall | #link http://ca.downloads.xensource.com/OpenStack/xenserver-ci/refs/changes/00/73000/2/ | 15:23 |
| BobBall | We publish the same logs collected by the gate. | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats not what they mean | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | do we have our localrc and list of tempest tests anywhere? | 15:23 |
| BobBall | Yes - check that URL I just posted. | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, hang on | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am blind | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Ok, we just need a wiki page describing how we meet all those points | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | then we can remove that dodgy log message | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | then we are good | 15:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Before the nova meeting tomorrow would be awesome | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall matel: life savers by the way, this is awesome stuff | 15:25 |
| BobBall | The thing that we really need is help looking into the failures | 15:25 |
| BobBall | I don't want to say "We're not sure about the failures" | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help need help to look into the failures | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: but its true right? we are not sure? | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I would rather say we are not sure for a few weeks while we prove the stability, so people don't just ignore the xenapi test results | 15:26 |
| BobBall | I'm saying I don't know if the failures are more likely in XenAPI | 15:26 |
| BobBall | they are all failures | 15:26 |
| BobBall | but just like every gate failure isn't related to the patch, the same is true of XenAPI failures here. | 15:26 |
| BobBall | Gate doesn't say "might not be your fault" | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, but its not new | 15:27 |
| BobBall | nor do other CI's that I've seen? | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just want to be sure they are not new false positives | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, go with what you think is best | 15:27 |
| BobBall | Perhaps if I phrased it differently.... | 15:28 |
| BobBall | Every failure that we have should correspond to a bug in launchpad - and one that should be fixed. | 15:28 |
| BobBall | I don't know if we are hitting more bugs or bugs more often than KVM or A.N.Other driver | 15:28 |
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| BobBall | but they are all real | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't disagree with you, I just don't want people to start ignoring the XenAPI tests | 15:29 |
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| BobBall | Which they will if we put a comment saying "Might not be you" | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, my hope is we prove the system, then remove that phrase | 15:29 |
| BobBall | People who get used to the phrase will not notice when it's gone | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | when we have more confidence that its gate bugs, probably via using the gate bug signature thingy | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:30 |
| matel | Okay, I need to go, sorry. | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | Thanks matel | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | now worries, top work | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | no^ | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | Have fun with people poking in your mouth. | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | nice | 15:31 |
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| BobBall | Anyway | 15:31 |
| BobBall | I've asked Ant for an increase in our quota | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so help with the failures, I would love to jump on that asap | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | Oh, cool, he is the right guy for that, makes sense | 15:32 |
| BobBall | we're currently restricted to 128GB RAM which, at 8GB instances, is 15 total (it's just under 128G I think) | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | I know that we've got a giant queue at the moment, but I've been keen to re-process jobs that failed | 15:32 |
| BobBall | so I'm a long way from hitting the 4 hour rate | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | with 50% more or double the VMs we'll get back very quickly. | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, totally makes sense | 15:33 |
| BobBall | and I think that while we're catching up ATM we won't cope with 15 VMs under peak load | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | certainly will not, we should increase that for you | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | are we spreading across regions yet? | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | that might help a little | 15:34 |
| BobBall | No - but we've had that at one point | 15:34 |
| BobBall | it's easy to do and I've suggested as much to Ant | 15:34 |
| BobBall | currently all in IAD | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think your quota is per region, but I could be wrong | 15:34 |
| BobBall | but we've also had it working with DFW | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | LON is the other good choice | 15:34 |
| BobBall | Oh? in which case I might have misunderstood | 15:34 |
| BobBall | I'll try setting up multi-region as another job for me | 15:34 |
| BobBall | that might resolve our quota issue today | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | Can I access LON in the same way? | 15:35 |
| BobBall | I know it's separate from the web interface... | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, different account still, bummer, maybe ask for one of those from Ant too | 15:35 |
| BobBall | Where are performance flavors currently? | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would do IAD, DFW, ORD as a starting point anyway | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | most places now | 15:36 |
| BobBall | OK - I'll add ORD too. | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | not HKG and SYD | 15:36 |
| BobBall | If it's per-region then adding DFW and ORD would more than make up for the issues | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | its worth a whirl, I think it is per region, but I could be wrong | 15:36 |
| BobBall | OK | 15:36 |
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| BobBall | So - tasks so far... | 15:37 |
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| BobBall | Bob: Cron job, post -ve comments, multi-region | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, that sounds good | 15:38 |
| antonym | BobBall: you should have gotten the quota increase btw | 15:38 |
| BobBall | John: Investigate some of the failures from http://paste.openstack.org/show/67277/ to match against bugs / or ideally propose fixes to reduce failure rate | 15:38 |
| BobBall | perfect! thanks ant! | 15:38 |
| BobBall | I'll try to go multi-region first | 15:38 |
| antonym | think i shot a mail over yesterday | 15:38 |
| BobBall | since that'll be lighter on you | 15:38 |
| antonym | if they only did it in one region, let me know and i'll get it set for the others | 15:38 |
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| BobBall | sorry - I may have missed it with the fun we've been having | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, more independent failures too, when we do a deploy, etc | 15:38 |
| antonym | no problem :) | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Bob: write up wiki page with links to tempest config, etc | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | add wiki page into: | 15:39 |
| BobBall | Failed deploys show up as "Aborted" :) | 15:39 |
| BobBall | Good point. | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the above wiki | 15:39 |
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| BobBall | Will do. | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, sounds like we are almost there | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am going did into errors tomorrow I am afraid, got blueprints to sort out this afternoon | 15:40 |
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| BobBall | OK | 15:41 |
| BobBall | well I won't have time to look at them based on the list of things I've got to do :D | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed | 15:42 |
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| BobBall | OK - that's all for the CI I think | 15:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its awesome to see it going | 15:42 |
| leifz | Real quick is there a quick link to look at errors in general? | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I actually found a team that might help maintain it in Rackspace, once we have it proven, if thats helpful | 15:42 |
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| BobBall | What do you mean leifz ? | 15:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #action look into XenAPI build errors: http://paste.openstack.org/show/67277/ | 15:43 |
| BobBall | Should b e easy to do johnthetubaguy - it's all up in github | 15:43 |
| leifz | you said you needed help looking at failures. Was curious if that easy to look at. | 15:43 |
| BobBall | Ah yes - the link that John gave includes the log files for the errors | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so lets move on.. | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic AOB | 15:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyone else got anything to talk about? | 15:44 |
| BobBall | We want to add to those log files to include the host logs (matel is working on this) as there is important info in those for some errors | 15:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 15:44 |
| BobBall | No AOB from me | 15:45 |
| BobBall | And I have to jump away now | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | its blueprint cut off day, patch up today, else your blueprint gets defered | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, thanks BobBall | 15:45 |
| BobBall | I'll be back in a few minutes | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | nothing from me | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 15:46:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-02-19-15.00.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-02-19-15.00.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-02-19-15.00.log.html | 15:46 |
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| jgriffith | hey everybody | 16:00 |
| thingee | yo | 16:01 |
| glenng | Hola | 16:01 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hey. | 16:01 |
| akerr | hello | 16:01 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:01 |
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| ameade | hey hey | 16:01 |
| guitarzan | yarr | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | hey | 16:01 |
| japplewhite | hi | 16:01 |
| mtanino_ | hello | 16:01 |
| rushiagr | heylo! | 16:01 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:01 |
| akasha_ | hello | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 16:01:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| coolsvap | Hello | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | pheww... quite a week | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | and it's only Wed :) | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Indeed. | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Ok... we've got a number of things on the agenda so let's get on it | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic I3 Status check/updates | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "I3 Status check/updates (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| jgriffith | IMO there's a ton of cruft in here | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 16:03 |
| thingee | I agree. | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | The BP and bug list should be frozen at this point | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | no new proposals | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | bugs we can slip to RC's of course | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | but feature proposals are done | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | so let's focus on those fornow | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | for now | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | The way I've been doing this is sort on priority | 16:04 |
| thingee | with the number of reviews already in, I worry about the things that are just "started" | 16:04 |
| kmartin | should any BP not in Needs Code Review be pushed to Juno? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | thingee: understood | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I think we may want to propose dumping some of these | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: let's start with yours | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: are you actually working on this? | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/filtering-weighing-with-driver-supplied-functions | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | Yes. I've got code that works but needs tidying up for submission | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | Realisitically if it isn't in tomorrow it is not going to be in | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Ok... fair enough | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'm going to hold you to that when I wake up in the AM :) | 16:06 |
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| DuncanT | Fair enough | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-backup-recover-api | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | rohit404: is this you? | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | ^^ | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | or dosaboy ? | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | or nobody | 16:07 |
| rohit404 | jgriffith: not me | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | rohit404: sorry.. Ronen Kat | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | anyway... it's proposed since Jan | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69351/ | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | IMO this one is higher on the priority list for this week | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I think we need to break the BP though between the metadata and export/import | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I have a list of reviews to take a look at. I should add this. | 16:08 |
| thingee | got some drafts on that one. | 16:08 |
| thingee | mostly the body key export-import confuses me | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | thingee: can you point us to the part you're thinking of? | 16:09 |
| thingee | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69351/5/cinder/api/contrib/backups.py | 16:10 |
| thingee | l325 | 16:10 |
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| avishay | whoops sorry i'm late | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: doesn't seem to be around | 16:11 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: implementing import/export without metadata would kind of be a regression since you would not be able to import/export e.g. bootable volumes | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: oh... there he be | 16:11 |
| dosaboy | aye aye | 16:11 |
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| dosaboy | i've not had a chance to review that patch yet tbh | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: yeah | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | so ok let's review see if we can get info from Ronene | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | ronen | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: my question is the missing parts to complete the BP | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I agree we need to get the metadata import/export landed still | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I will make sure Ronen is aware we have Qs. | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: It's just unclear of what actually constitutes this bp being "implemented" | 16:13 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: which bp? | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-backup-recover-api | 16:13 |
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| ik__ | I'm a newbie here :) | 16:14 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: ok i'll see if I can get that clarified | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: thank you sir | 16:15 |
| dosaboy | ik__: welcome | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I'd like to separate it out to what we're going to do in Icehouse and reference maybe what's still ongoing | 16:15 |
| dosaboy | ok sure | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | ik__: Welcome to the party! | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | we've got a number of bp's that we aren't very clear on "when is it done" | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | Next... | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: you here | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/multiple-capability-sets-per-backend | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | BP proposed and approved in Dec but no activity | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | considering this will not make it | 16:17 |
| kmartin | nope, push to Juno, next | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | I'll get with bswartz when he's around | 16:17 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i think we spoke about this a few weeks ago and bswartz said it was more complicated than he thought, and it would be juno | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | He's said before that he's stuck trying to get a clean implementation | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | K... done | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | thanks | 16:18 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: yes | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: too late we figured it out without you :) | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: shout if we're wrong | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Next... | 16:18 |
| bswartz | hah yes thank you | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/per-project-user-quotas-support | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | I'm not happy with this one | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | two things... | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | 1. It's ugly | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | 2. Is it really needed | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66772/ | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | Don't know if anybody else has any thoughts on this? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | I have concerns about it for a number of reasons | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | It certainly is ugly, and the quota code has proven to be fragile in the past.... | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | not the least of which being we have existing quota consistency issues, and piling user quotas (which I don't know how valuable that is anyway) on top of it makes things worse IMO | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | and I'm not sure about the implementation anyway | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | Anybody object to pushing it? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | I mean, pushing it out | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | I can see the value of the feature but I think we should punt to J since the implementation is not ready | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | anybody else? | 16:21 |
| avishay | jgriffith: how can you object to its usefulness? nova has it! :) | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: thanks | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | avishay: very very poor argument | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | avishay: although it's getting used more and more lately | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: has a great cartoon of that | 16:22 |
| avishay | jgriffith: agree. we should invest a bit of effort to clean up quotas first. | 16:22 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: :) | 16:22 |
| ameade | what is the usefulness of it exactly? why don't project level quotas suffice? | 16:22 |
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| DuncanT | ameade: Allowing the tenant to do finer grained quotas inside their tenant is something some users like, e.g. in a public cloud context - means one account can be shared more widely | 16:23 |
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| avishay | I think push to Juno .. given that quotas are a bit broken, this will also be broken | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | Done | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: +2 | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | Sorry.. I'm slow because i'm typing notes, updating reviews and bp's :) | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:24 |
| avishay | jgriffith: your secretary took the day off? :) | 16:24 |
| dosaboy | hehe | 16:25 |
| * jungleboyj is slow because I am laid out with a stomach bug. Was so nice of my boys to share. | 16:25 | |
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| jgriffith | avishay: yeah... :) | 16:25 |
| * DuncanT is just slow. | 16:25 | |
| avishay | hah | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Ok, there's two more mediums that I think we need to talk about | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/local-storage-volume-scheduling | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | and | 16:26 |
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| dosaboy | avishay: you think this is gonna make I-3 and could it include the meta support? (see comment in BP) | 16:26 |
| dosaboy | this being - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73456/ | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-force-host | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | both have code proposed | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | both are kinda fugly | 16:27 |
| avishay | dosaboy: TSM driver will not have metadata support in icehouse | 16:27 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: can we start with the 2nd (force host)? i think that's easier because nobody liked it | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | I'm extremely concerned that the local scheduler is not solving a clearly defined problem and should be thought about more carefully | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: :) sure | 16:28 |
| dosaboy | avishay: okey | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I think that impl gets kicked | 16:28 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: i think we had a round of discussions for force-host | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | I like the idea of force host, but not if the implementation is anything other than clean, simple and unobtrustive | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | avishay: but we look at doing an exception to get the feature for Icehouse still | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ^^ | 16:29 |
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| bswartz | I don't see why force host is needed when volume types can achieve the same effect? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | and figure out who/when somebody rewrites it | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | The proposed implementation is fugly | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | bswartz: admin/testing/similar - nothing tenant facing | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: yes, that's a debatable point | 16:29 |
| avishay | I think that winston put forth some very good objections in the review | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | So there are some "holes" here as well | 16:30 |
| avishay | bswartz: i agree | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | keep in mind we don't expose "host" anywhere really either | 16:30 |
| bswartz | DuncanT makes a excellent point | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | at least not a mapping | 16:30 |
| * jgriffith only sees this as something for admin, and still limited | 16:30 | |
| bswartz | I do get the need for testing | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | I think we need to build some better admin tools | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | Certainly it isn't worth ugly code | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | so I guess this falls lower on priority list | 16:31 |
| avishay | I could live without this ever being implemented | 16:31 |
| avishay | And if yes, clean and admin-only | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: bswartz avishay OK... I'm going to say we punt, but if someobdy cares enough to write a clean admin interface into this we can look at it | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | and it would be this week or early next | 16:31 |
| avishay | jgriffith: how far can you punt it? :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | otherwise it's not something we seem to really "need" | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | avishay: depends on how long of a running start I get | 16:32 |
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| thingee | avishay: +1 I could live w/o it | 16:32 |
| avishay | haha | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | If somebody really needs it, they've got to pony up good code... | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | ok.. | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | I'm just going to defer it then | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | we need to remember to detail the bp better in Juno (I'll forget) :) | 16:32 |
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| avishay | back to local-storage-volume-scheduling? | 16:33 |
| thingee | sure | 16:33 |
| avishay | i think thingee and DuncanT had comments here? | 16:33 |
| thingee | spoke to jgriffith about it. THis seems aligned with what vishy was talking about, along with jgriffith talking about brick | 16:33 |
| thingee | if we want to help nova in this regard, this is something we have to move towards. | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | I'm concerned that the semantics just aren't defined anywhere... they seem to want ephemeral volumes from the commit message, but aren't implementing that | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | So it's not what we actually talked about in Portland and want | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | but it's a start | 16:34 |
| avishay | DuncanT: why ephemeral? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: it's no ephemeral (even if it reads that way) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: it's really about local attached for perf reasons | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that's really it in a nut-shell | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | The ability to schedule local disk resources on the compute node for an instance to use | 16:35 |
| avishay | does nova support booting a VM on the same host as a cinder volume? | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | But what happens when the instance dies? What are the rules for connecting the volume to a new instance? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | instead of san attached | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: same as they are today | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: It's still a Cinder volume | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | avishay: there's no coorelation | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I mean... there's no shared knowledge | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: so you /can/ remote attach it afterwards, on any compute host? That's better... maybe just a docs problem then | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | avishay: all this patch does is provide that | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Well... no :( | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: so remember we have a "block" driver now that's a local disk only | 16:37 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i meant to ask what DuncanT asked - if you shut down the VM, can you bring another one up to attach to your volume? | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | no iscsi, no target etc | 16:37 |
| thingee | jgriffith: oh, well then perhaps I'm still not understanding :) | 16:37 |
| bswartz | there was a plan to add the so-called "shared knowledge" to one or both schedulers though wasn't there? | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | HOWEVER you make an interesting point | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: IMO that isn't a cinder volume... | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | it would be interesting to extend the abstraction | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | treat it more like a real cinder vol | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Or at least we don't have a rich enough interface to express that | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | difference is if it's "local" to the node your provider_location and export is just the dev file | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | instead of a target | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | 'Island' tried that, right? | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: I never really figured out what they were trying ;) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: but yes, I think it was along the same lines | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | So anyway... | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | My problem is that there's nothign in the return of 'cinder list' that tells me which vms I can / can't connect to | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | My thoughts on this are: | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | Useful features, needs a bit of thought and cleaning | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | I'm ok with letting it ride til the end of the week | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | if it's not cleaned up and made mo'betta then it gets deferred | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Yeah... to your point | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | I'd really like to hear in detail what is supposed to happen after detach | 16:39 |
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| thingee | DuncanT: the cinder list comment is good. I think you should raise that in the review | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'd say go back to my suggestion about how to abstract it so it "CAN" have a target assigned and work like any other cinder volume | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | thingee: DuncanT I don't want to do that :( | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | thingee: DuncanT I'd rather make it more "cinder'ish" | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | I agree - make it more cinderish | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | So the patch looks different this way | 16:40 |
| avishay | jgriffith: +1 | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | It becomes more of a filter scheduling deal | 16:41 |
| bswartz | My understanding of the proposal was to make it like a regular cinder volume with a hint that allowed you to bypass the iscsi layer when the target and initiator would be on the same box | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | So the hint applies, but in every other respect except performance, it is a normal cinder volume | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | and attach then determines "hey... can I just do a local attach or do I need an export" | 16:41 |
| avishay | i think nova also needs a similar way of saying "launch a VM on the same host as this cinder volume" | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: for the most part | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | The call out to the nova API in the API server still worries me too | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah, it probably needs to go both ways | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | But that is an implementation detail | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | I don't want to go too deep on this | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | I've been going back and forth on the idea for a about a year | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | this was what we were aiming for with brick | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | but that got completely side ways | 16:42 |
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| bswartz | whatever happened to brick | 16:43 |
| bswartz | is it split out from cinder yet? | 16:43 |
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| thingee | :) | 16:43 |
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| DuncanT | I think a discussion about local volumes needs to start with answering the question how cindery do you want them? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | and there's new stuff in the works for cross project communicatiion and scheduling | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | that solves alot of this problem | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | so I hate to get carried away and invest a ton because I think that stuff is going to land in J | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | alright... I'll take a look at this later and update the BP and review | 16:44 |
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| kmartin | bswartz: not yet, WIP | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | if we get it great, if we don't we don't | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | agreed? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: no, I flat out haven't gotten around to it | 16:44 |
| avishay | jgriffith: sounds good | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and the LVM code kept changing so much this past cycle I didn't feel it was stable enough to break out | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: It's J-1 now though :) | 16:45 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: timecheck 15 minutes left | 16:45 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: so when can we push the nova guys to use it instead of their crappy attach code? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | Ok.. sorry I took all the time up here | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I think hemnafk ported most of the initiator/attach stuff already? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | one more | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/when-deleting-volume-dd-performance | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | descent enough idea | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | but it's been stagnant since october | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | defer | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | IMO | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | not to mention as eharney points out there are considerations here | 16:47 |
| thingee | sure | 16:47 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: +1 defer | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | If there's no code and nobody offering it, defer | 16:47 |
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| avishay | even though the BP seems to contain code, there's no patch :) | 16:48 |
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| bswartz | I think the patch is in the BP -- it's literally 2 lines | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | Needs a config option too | 16:48 |
| avishay | and unit test | 16:48 |
| bswartz | even so eharney's alternative suggestion seems reasonable | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +2 | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | I'll look at it later and consider implementing it | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | but for now it's off the table | 16:49 |
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| avishay | that works | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | I'll get with eharney on his stuff later | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | My stuff is on the way (need one good day of no crisis or not being sick) | 16:50 |
| guitarzan | do people use the cfq scheduler on their volume nodes? | 16:50 |
| ik__ | jgriffith: need any helping hand there? I've not started here yet. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | ik__: reviews would be fantastic :) | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | cfq scheduler? | 16:50 |
| guitarzan | for ionice on taht blueprint | 16:51 |
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| ik__ | jgriffith: even if I'm novoice? :) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: sorry.. .don't know what you're saying :) | 16:51 |
| avishay | guitarzan: i would assume so | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | ik__: best way to learn the code is review :) | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | ik__: We will help you learn! | 16:51 |
| guitarzan | avishay: I guess if it helped for that person with the blueprint | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +2 | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | Ok, so wer'e about out of time and I hogged the entire meeting | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | thingee: | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | You ahd some items | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | ik__: -1 is the best review you can provide | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | ik__: be critical | 16:52 |
| thingee | yes | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | not typos etc but in the code quality | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | we've been getting bad about writing ugly code lately IMO | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | ok... | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | thingee... all yours | 16:53 |
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| kmartin | driver maintainer: please review and update your cert results here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/certified-drivers#Most_Recent_Results_for_Icehouse | 16:53 |
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| thingee | topic change? | 16:53 |
| thingee | milestone consideration for drivers | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | #topic milestone consideration for drivers | 16:54 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73745 | 16:54 |
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| thingee | I want to propose something written on how we allow new drivers in. | 16:54 |
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| thingee | to avoid a backlog in milestone 3 when we should be focusing on stability | 16:55 |
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| thingee | and documentation | 16:55 |
| avishay | thingee: +1 | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | hear hear | 16:55 |
| hemna_ | +1 | 16:55 |
| kmartin | thingee: +1 | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | Thnk we all agreee, and stated this before but never wrote it in stone :) | 16:56 |
| thingee | This is being more strict with maintainers, but in return we should be better on reviews in milestone 2 of getting a driver through | 16:56 |
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| avishay | thingee: no arguments here :) | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Yeah, that means we have to be better about tackling the hard reviews. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | What about requiring a cert run for new drivers? | 16:57 |
| * ameade is curious about the cinder hackathon | 16:57 | |
| jungleboyj | :-) Badges for the cores! | 16:57 |
| akerr | ameade: +1 | 16:57 |
| avishay | DuncanT: different topic - see the wiki | 16:57 |
| avishay | DuncanT: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/certified-drivers | 16:58 |
| thingee | DuncanT, avishay: you both asked about the cert tests. I have a review for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73691/ | 16:58 |
| thingee | needs to be more helpful as pointed out by jgriffith, otherwise, good | 16:58 |
| avishay | thingee: cool | 16:58 |
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| thingee | so please comment on those two. let me know what wording should be fixed up. I would like to have this settled before J | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | thingee: coolio? | 16:59 |
| thingee | and finally hackathon | 16:59 |
| avishay | thingee: 2 minutes - want to advertise your cinder 3-day super coding thing? | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | thingee: next topi | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | #topic hackathon | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "hackathon (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:59 | |
| thingee | so hangout will probably be it. unfortunately spots are limited. | 16:59 |
| thingee | if you are going to be dedicated, please join the hangout :) | 16:59 |
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| thingee | I'll post a link to the room | 16:59 |
| hemna_ | ok | 16:59 |
| thingee | topic or whatever for people to join | 17:00 |
| * hartsocks waves | 17:00 | |
| avishay | thingee: can you post before monday? other time zones can start earlier | 17:00 |
| thingee | I would really like to see us get through reviews together and finish some stability bugs. | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | hartsocks: :) | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | we're going we're going | 17:00 |
| thingee | yes! | 17:00 |
| avishay | bye all! | 17:00 |
| thingee | avishay: I'll be likely up late to start | 17:00 |
| thingee | ok done! | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | :) | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks | 17:01 |
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| jgriffith | clear out for hartsocks | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 17:01:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-02-19-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-02-19-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-02-19-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| rushiagr | thanks all | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 17:01:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | Hi folks, who's around? | 17:01 |
| ik__ | when is hackathon? | 17:01 |
| browne | i'm here | 17:02 |
| * rgerganov is here | 17:02 | |
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| rgerganov | garyk told me that he won't make it | 17:02 |
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| hartsocks | ik_: sorry to run you off. | 17:02 |
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| tjones | hi | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | rgerganov: I got a note too. Short meeting then? | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | :-) | 17:04 |
| rgerganov | hartsocks, agree | 17:04 |
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| ssurana | :) | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Agenda | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | I think most folks were aware that the FF for blueprint proposals passed around the time of our last meeting (back on Feb 05) | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | What this means is we have to stop proposing new BP to Nova. | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | That doesn't mean code has to be perfect today though. (but perfect is nice) | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | Feature Freeze is actually March 4th. | 17:07 |
| browne | side note: the agenda link has a dead link to https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=NovaVMware/AdministratorGuide&action=edit&redlink=1 | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | #action clean out dead link in wiki | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | browne: thanks. | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | So, March 4th if your code isn't "perfect" it's not getting in. | 17:08 |
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| browne | hartsocks: does that mar 4th date apply for bugs too? | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | FF is for BP but... | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | it's probably a good idea to have the bugs ready too. | 17:10 |
| browne | ok | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | Once that deadline hits it's really hard to get attention. | 17:10 |
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| hartsocks | The rule on Bugs is you may backport them if you can get reviews and cycles to do it. | 17:10 |
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| tjones | browne: keystone may have different rules than nova too | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | It's better to have the bug fix in before the version is cut. | 17:11 |
| browne | ok thx | 17:11 |
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| hartsocks | Oh, yeah. Each project can have different internal deadlines. The link is for OpenStack in general. A project's deadline won't be any *later* than the posted deadline on the wiki. | 17:12 |
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| hartsocks | So, for example, Nova has moved up its deadlines for the sake of reviewer sanity. | 17:12 |
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| hartsocks | So after typing all of that... | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | I took some time this AM to update our etherpad. | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | I will try to keep that up-to date on where things are in icehouse. | 17:14 |
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| hartsocks | I usually do an update pass every Wednesday morning. With the deadlines looming I will try to be more frequent. | 17:14 |
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| hartsocks | There's a section in there for critical bugs. These are intended to free Minesweeper. | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | Okay. | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:15 |
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| tjones | that is very good. the core reviewers tend to jump on those bugs that will help minesweeper | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | I've only identified two so far. There's bound to be more. | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | Just for the record: | 17:17 |
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| tjones | should we be also calling out dependencies? Im concerned about our long dependecny chains | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/autowsdl-repair | 17:17 |
| hartsocks | (the reason Minesweeper was not accepting the patch is that Minesweeper uses proxies and I never tested in a proxied environment.) | 17:17 |
| hartsocks | tjones: I could do the homework for dependencies | 17:18 |
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| hartsocks | Does anyone have a BP that they need to talk about before we move to bugs? | 17:19 |
| sabari | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-spbm-support | 17:19 |
| sabari | needs some reviews. | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/vmware-spbm-support,n,z | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | That's a *number* of patches | 17:20 |
| rgerganov | I will take a look at these | 17:20 |
| sabari | Thanks Rado. | 17:21 |
| rgerganov | I want to restore my patch for favoring shared datastores and this is somehow related | 17:21 |
| rgerganov | I mean we need to come up with good DS selection algorithm | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | I'm already concerned that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66666/12/nova/virt/vmwareapi/vim.py interacts with what I'm trying to do. | 17:21 |
| sabari | So that was you, I remember to have seen that patch, but couldn't relate to who was working on it. | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | rgerganov: yes, I remember we figured out we need to rank the DS somehow but we never fleshed out how to do it. | 17:22 |
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| sabari | the change was need to make use of the vim as a base class for pbm connections. | 17:22 |
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| sabari | hartsocks: can you post the link for the change that you are doing. | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | how does that affect the normal vSphere WS SDK interactions? | 17:23 |
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| hartsocks | sabari: this is that autowsdl business. It seems to be continually blocked or ignored. | 17:23 |
| sabari | it doesn't affect the standard connection mechanism. For SPBM, we need to connect to a new endpoint using a new wsdl. | 17:24 |
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| hartsocks | yes, but you've modified the soap connector code… | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | soap URL code | 17:24 |
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| hartsocks | so what I'm concerned about is that this might accidentally mean if my patch merges I will break your SPBM support. | 17:25 |
| sabari | kind of just a tweak so that we can get the url's for both code flows properly. | 17:25 |
| sabari | I view the change by pbm code to be a bit cosmetic. | 17:25 |
| sabari | it doesn't change a lot of semantics. | 17:26 |
| sabari | i will take a look at your code. | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | thanks. Looks like Jenkins doesn't like my tests anymore. | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | Okay, so moving on... | 17:28 |
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| vuil | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-vsan-support has a couple of patches | 17:28 |
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| vuil | available for review as well | 17:28 |
| vuil | though I'd say wait a day or two as a few of the patches can use another round of update of the oslo vmware lib | 17:29 |
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| rgerganov | vui, what kind of infrastructure do I need to test vsan? | 17:29 |
| tjones | vuil: is that moving along ok? | 17:29 |
| tjones | the oslo stuff | 17:29 |
| rgerganov | tjones, we have the repository created -- oslo.vmware | 17:30 |
| vuil | same for spbm, kinda :-) | 17:30 |
| vuil | I can walk you through it later. | 17:30 |
| rgerganov | vuil, thanks | 17:30 |
| tjones | rgerganov: when i checked last week it was blocked on an infra issue. is it unblocked? | 17:31 |
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| rgerganov | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.vmware | 17:31 |
| rgerganov | fresh and clean | 17:31 |
| tjones | awesome | 17:32 |
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| tjones | um… there is nothing in there yet… | 17:32 |
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| tjones | i mean other than the directory structure and stuff | 17:32 |
| vuil | The action is happening here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.vmware,n,z | 17:33 |
| rgerganov | yes but Vipin resubmitted his patches | 17:33 |
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| hartsocks | wow. lots of action. | 17:33 |
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| tjones | gr8 | 17:33 |
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| vuil | looks like dims is helping with bringing the dependencies needed | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | Is this work still going to make icehouse-3? | 17:34 |
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| rgerganov | not sure, we should talk to Vipin | 17:35 |
| vuil | Think the library is in good shape, we just need to get the project set | 17:35 |
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| vuil | up properly for review/verification | 17:35 |
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| hartsocks | okay, lots to stay on top of then. | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | Anything else on blueprints? Anything on blueprint priority? | 17:38 |
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| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:40 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse | 17:40 |
| hartsocks | I ran my bug priority report this morning. | 17:40 |
| hartsocks | The report itself has some bugs. | 17:40 |
| tjones | looks like we need to do some triage | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | as far as what's tagged vmware, 6 un-triaged isn't so bad… | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1278149 | 17:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1278149 in nova "VMware: InstanceNotRescuable hit during rescue tempest tests" [Critical,Fix committed] | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | Should that be tagged for our sub-team list? | 17:42 |
| tjones | yes - but there are 200 in nova and now that i am the "bug czar" i'd love our list to be 0 :-D | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | heh. | 17:43 |
| tjones | i'll take a look at that one | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | So, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-vmwareapi-team this still useful? | 17:44 |
| tjones | yes it should. I will add it. yes the project is very much used by our customers and partners | 17:44 |
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| hartsocks | okay. | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | We can do bug-triage outside the meeting in #openstack-vmware | 17:45 |
| tjones | ok | 17:45 |
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| hartsocks | open discussion or is there a bug someone needs to bring to our group attention? | 17:46 |
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| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:46 |
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| hartsocks | okay, any topics at all? | 17:47 |
| tjones | ok sure | 17:47 |
| tjones | i want to make sure i know what our top 5 critical bugs are for icehouse. so i look at your list…. *loooking* | 17:48 |
| tjones | and i see ordered by prio - but that is nova prio which may not be our customers prio | 17:48 |
| tjones | right? | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | it's a combination | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | it's nova priority + vmwareapi subteam priority | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | the sum of the two priorities is the overall rank. | 17:49 |
| tjones | ok great! so high/critical is high for nova, critical for our customers - correct? | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | right | 17:49 |
| tjones | excellent! that is exactly what i need | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | That lets us follow the rule that a driver that's non-gating literally can *never* rise to Critical/Critical | 17:50 |
| tjones | right | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | The Nova core are trying to conserve "Critical" to mean "breaks *all* of OpenStack" … but you knew that. | 17:50 |
| tjones | yep | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | I have a separate list for "blocks Minesweeper" but I've not figured out how to fold the three different priorities together (or whether I should bother) | 17:51 |
| tjones | i don't think it is needed. when we have minesweeper blockers i ask the core guys to take a look and they are very responsive | 17:52 |
| tjones | so i'd just bring those 2 to their attention either IRC or ML | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | cool | 17:52 |
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| hartsocks | A note on testing... | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | Unit testing. | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | I have been trying to improve my use of mocks and I did something a little rude this morning … I dropped a test on someone-else's patch. | 17:54 |
| hartsocks | I handed over the original patch so I felt it wasn't too terrible | 17:54 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73865/8/nova/tests/virt/vmwareapi/test_driver_api.py | 17:54 |
| hartsocks | Starting at line 462 | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | I managed to mock out all the API except for the code under test. | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | Then I used asserts to do assertions on wether the API was used correctly. | 17:55 |
| hartsocks | I couldn't figure out how to explain this without code. | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | But, using the mocks, we can assert that a task is created and waited on. | 17:56 |
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| hartsocks | I would like to do more testing in this direction because I feel it will allow us to cover more branches and scenarios. | 17:56 |
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| rgerganov | the problem with mocking is that creates tight coupling between tests and code under tests | 17:57 |
| rgerganov | but it is the way to go in most of the cases | 17:57 |
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| hartsocks | Compared to writing a fake.py which has to cover all possible use scenarios the Mocking could actually be less coupling. | 17:57 |
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| hartsocks | The problem with the fake.py is that as you increase the number of scenarios it can cover you come closer and closer to building a simulator of the system under test. | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | Perhaps I can learn to do better Mocks. | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | But in the test I've linked... | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | I get to actually initialize the real object under test. | 17:59 |
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| hartsocks | A reviewer can come in and see… yes… that's the object under test, not a fake version. | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | That's my soap box on the topic anyhow. | 17:59 |
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| tjones | i'd like to be able to write better tests. i will spend some time looking at this | 18:00 |
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| hartsocks | It's not what I would call good code, but I'm trying. :-) | 18:00 |
| browne | i definitely like using mock over mox or fakes | 18:01 |
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| hartsocks | This particular set of mocks I wrote because instead of pulling serviceContent the code was pulling the Vim object… it made the wrong API calls. | 18:01 |
| hartsocks | The test enforces call order. | 18:01 |
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| hartsocks | Looks like we're out of time. | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 18:02:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-02-19-17.01.html | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-02-19-17.01.txt | 18:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-02-19-17.01.log.html | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hartsocks: thanks, we have a FWaaS meeting | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan SridarK garyduan yisun there? | 18:02 |
| SridarK | Hi | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: hi | 18:03 |
| SridarK | Hi Sumit | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 18:03:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic gate and temptest testing | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | last week we again brought up the enabling FWaaS at the gate with the PTL | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the current plan is that we are waiting for a final nod from the PTL on this thursday | 18:05 |
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| SridarK | So after that the tempest tests can get pushed up ? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, we need this to be enabled so that the FWaaS tempest tests can be run in the gate | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | EmilienM: there? | 18:06 |
| RajeshMohan | Hi al | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: hi, thanks for joining | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | EmilienM: posted the patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65744 | 18:07 |
| SridarK | Hi RajeshMohan: | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which targets the FWaaS API | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | however there was already a patch posted by yair: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64362 | 18:07 |
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| SridarK | Hmm! yes that is what confused me | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | just wanted to check with EmilienM if his patch supersedes the other one | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to check with EmilienM, Yair and mlavalle regarding the FWaaS API patch | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | : #action SumitNaiksatam to check with EmilienM, Yair and mlavalle regarding the tempest FWaaS API patch | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in addition we would need to add scenario tests as well | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | let me know if there is interest | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we can coordinate accordingly | 18:11 |
| SridarK | Are we time barred for this already ? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: not that i am not aware of | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i think earlier is always better | 18:12 |
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| SridarK | ok so for tests the review cut off of Feb 18 does not apply ? | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to also check if there are cut off dates for tempests tests | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything more on gate or tempest tests? | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK RajeshMohan garyduan: once we enable fwaas in the gate, we will have to be on the lookout of any issues that may crop up and break the gate | 18:15 |
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| SridarK | ok will do | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 18:16 |
| RajeshMohan | ok | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so we need to be watching closely on the day we turn it on, and at least a couple of days after | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: there? | 18:17 |
| SridarK | ok - is there an email list or some thing to subscribe to to know if there is an issue | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: not that i am aware of | 18:18 |
| SridarK | ok | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think we should join the openstack-ci IRC channel | 18:18 |
| SridarK | ok thanks SumitNaiksatam: | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or rather chat room | 18:19 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: Is there a way to run these tests manually - so that we know how to debug | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: good question | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i believe you documented at least some of this, right? | 18:19 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: RajeshMohan: we can do the tempest runs manually | 18:20 |
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| SridarK | yes i had sent out an email to all on that | 18:20 |
| SridarK | but now figuring out and debugging is some deep magic. :-) | 18:20 |
| SridarK | I will invest some time on this | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks, can you post the wiki page link again? | 18:22 |
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| SridarK | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Quantum/FWaaS/Testing | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Quantum/FWaaS/Testing | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 18:23 |
| SridarK | will keep updating that as we add more things into tempest with some of these new patches | 18:23 |
| SridarK | np SumitNaiksatam: | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok next topic | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i don't see garyduan so let's go to the fwaas insertion | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Insertion and Firewall | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62599/ | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: thanks for updating the patch | 18:25 |
| RajeshMohan | I added unit tests to the patch | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: do we have the end to end flow working? | 18:25 |
| RajeshMohan | I believe I have good coverage - if not let me know | 18:25 |
| RajeshMohan | Yes - tested with service context and verified | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: nice | 18:26 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I will do more testing | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tanks | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *thanks | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: I had one suggestion on the validation | 18:26 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: currently we are passing the key_specs | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | routers, networks, etc | 18:27 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is good in a way since its flexible | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | however, it also introduces the possibility of some service introducing a context that is different from the others | 18:27 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was thinking that if we don't pass the key_specs but embed the validation inside the validation method, it will be good | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | that way, if some service wants to pass something else, they will have to modify the validation method | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and is more apparent during the reviews | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and also we have one place which clearly enumerates all the supported contexts | 18:29 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: when you some other service - you mean like vpnaas, lbaas? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, or any others in the future | 18:29 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: so u mean that the keyspecs is just a string | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps, the key specs can be defined as constants in the attributes module | 18:30 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I am ok with that - I did this foe flexibility (as you mentioned) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the key specs is optional right? | 18:30 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: Yes | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i was thinking that we don't use it | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | instead always check against a fixed list of strings (routers, networks, subnets, ports) | 18:31 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I thought -not requiring to change attribute file - will be a good thing | 18:31 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: but if you think it helps in reviews, I can make the change | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: at this point i am not sure what others think, i am coming from the perspective of there being a standard contract for all services | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it makes it easier from the user's standpoint to understand the semantics | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | do you guys agree? | 18:33 |
| SridarK | Hmm i still a bit on the wall | 18:34 |
| SridarK | it is more flexible for sure | 18:34 |
| SridarK | but potentially some anbiguity for the end user | 18:34 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: in service context chain - some common definition of all possible service context makes sense | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: thats a good point | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks for posting the CLI patch | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: you had some issues with using the CLI? | 18:37 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: No worries - i am doing the validation for now - but we can discuss ur suggestion to defer resource validation to the backend | 18:37 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: yes I tried and it did not work for me - send email to Sridar | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: before that, garyduan had some concerns on the terminology and the db model | 18:38 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: RajeshMohan: I tried to check on the msg formatting to make sure that it is aligned with the backend | 18:38 |
| SridarK | still debugging some UT issue | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks, let us know when you think its working | 18:38 |
| SridarK | will sync with RajeshMohan: on this patch and then make sure it works | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: earlier question | 18:39 |
| SridarK | *his | 18:39 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: you mean the review comments from Gary | 18:40 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: or was there some offline comments? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as regarding service_context versus insertion_context, that evolved from a discussion with nati_ueno | 18:40 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:41 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I saw the review comments - I will follow up with Gary. Was busy with unit tests | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe service_context terminology should be good | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there was a suggestion on reducing the number of tables | 18:43 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I liek service_context | 18:43 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: there is many-to-one relation. THat was one of the reasons for multiple table | 18:44 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: Gary's comments were not complete - atleast I could not see how it would be done with one table | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: yeah, i am not sure we can group everything into the same table | 18:45 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I will get more information from him | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: let me think about it as well | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: thanks | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action RajeshMohan to follow up on garyduan's comments on reducing the number of tables | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: we don't need any devstack changes, right? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: default is still all routers | 18:46 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: yes - not changes | 18:46 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I mean, no changes | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything more to discuss on this? | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic service_type framework | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60699 | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe garyduan is still not around | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he posted a new patch with more UTs | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK RajeshMohan can you take a quick look at his patch? | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: you might also need to rebase your patch (it shows that its out of sync) | 18:48 |
| RajeshMohan | I rebased last night | 18:48 |
| RajeshMohan | let me check | 18:48 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will do - was tied up with the CLI stuff but will review now | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ah ok, i probably checked before that | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: it currently says outdated | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: np | 18:49 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: It is current | 18:49 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: oh | 18:49 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I did not refresh | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on gerrit it says outdated | 18:49 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I will rebase in next 30 min | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: np, take your time | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: amotoki has some comments on garyduan's patch | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: perhaps we can expect the same for your patch as well, so we can preempt those | 18:50 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I will look at those comments | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: thanks | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i don't think Yi is here either | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything more to discuss today? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or we can get a few minutes back | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | btw, there are some discussions going on in the context of group policy that require service insertion/chaining | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have pointed to RajeshMohan's patch | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you guys can also chime in | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok thanks guys, bye! | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:55 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: This is good if we can get synergy across these | 18:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 18:55:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-02-19-18.03.html | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-02-19-18.03.txt | 18:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-02-19-18.03.log.html | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: absolutely | 18:55 |
| SridarK | ok lets talk offline more on this | 18:55 |
| SridarK | bye Sumit, Rajesh | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sure | 18:55 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 19:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here? | 19:00 |
| peluse | yo | 19:00 |
| tristanC | hi! | 19:00 |
| keving | hey | 19:00 |
| * creiht queues swift meeting music | 19:00 | |
| torgomatic | $character_sequence_indicating_presence | 19:00 |
| donagh | hi | 19:00 |
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| gvernik_ | hello | 19:00 |
| acoles | hi | 19:01 |
| cschwede_ | hello! | 19:01 |
| notmyname | hi everyone. great to have you all here! | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
| notmyname | agenda for the meeting ^ | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | let's start off with storage policies | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #topic storage policy status | 19:01 |
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| creiht | official swift meeting music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx5n21zHPm8 | 19:02 |
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| peluse | acct roll up was done til I just got feebdack from torgomatic :) | 19:02 |
| notmyname | we're still out on account updates and the reconsiler | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | peluse: ok, what's next there? | 19:02 |
| peluse | shouldn't take long though.... | 19:02 |
| peluse | reviews | 19:02 |
| peluse | I have 2 up for review (one small, one medium) and torgomatic has a series of patches that need another core on them | 19:02 |
| peluse | and then the acct rollup later today | 19:02 |
| notmyname | creiht: nice :-) | 19:02 |
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| torgomatic | I could use a cup of coffee the size of my head... | 19:03 |
| peluse | ditto | 19:03 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: twist. it is your head (in lego world) | 19:03 |
| notmyname | peluse: cool. I'll look for those updates later today then | 19:03 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: tell me about the reconciler | 19:04 |
| peluse | so can we get another core on the remaining reviews up there? that's wrap us up for merge to master unless you want to hold off on docs | 19:04 |
| torgomatic | so I wrote this thing for a proposed design | 19:04 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ready to share your dissertation with everyone else? ;-) | 19:04 |
| torgomatic | #link https://gist.github.com/smerritt/2d7f46fd48426ef258c0 | 19:04 |
| torgomatic | and what I'd like is for people to poke all kinds of holes in it | 19:04 |
| notmyname | peluse: reconciler first, then merge :-) | 19:04 |
| peluse | agreed | 19:04 |
| peluse | nice write-up, will have to read after meeting to digest | 19:05 |
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| torgomatic | with one caveat: if you don't like the timestamp hack, please suggest a viable alternative... just saying "don't do it because the timestamp hack is ugly" isn't especially helpful | 19:05 |
| notmyname | creiht: I'd love for you gholt and redbo to read over torgomatic's link | 19:05 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: how do you want feedback? IRC? comments on the gitst? | 19:05 |
| torgomatic | doesn't have to be a fully-fleshed-out alternative, just some thoughts | 19:05 |
| creiht | notmyname: passing the link around | 19:05 |
| notmyname | creiht: thanks | 19:05 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: I'll take feedback via IRC or email; I don't think the gist takes comments | 19:06 |
| creiht | torgomatic: can someone take a sec to state what the misplaced object problem is? | 19:06 |
| notmyname | I see a comment field at the bottom | 19:06 |
| torgomatic | creiht: sure | 19:06 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: well, TIL :) | 19:06 |
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| torgomatic | step 1: partition your cluster by hosing the network | 19:06 |
| torgomatic | step 2: on side A, create a container in policy 1 and upload an object | 19:07 |
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| torgomatic | step 3: on side B, create the same container with policy 2 and upload an object | 19:07 |
| creiht | ahh | 19:07 |
| torgomatic | step 4: unhose the network | 19:07 |
| creiht | ok this is due to the policies | 19:07 |
| torgomatic | yup | 19:07 |
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| creiht | k | 19:07 |
| notmyname | gholt: welcome :-) | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | any other questions on the purpose of the reconciler? | 19:09 |
| zaitcev | this is why I hate the so-called "replication network" that we accepted | 19:09 |
| peluse | the name? | 19:09 |
| notmyname | torgomatic's patches right now that are up for review on the feature/ec branch are for the reconciler work (ie groundwork) | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | yes; all the Python code I've written for the reconciler can be found at the linked gist | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | and the astute observer will note that it's all English text and no Python | 19:10 |
| cschwede_ | zaitcev: hmm, but a network split (and misplaced objects) is possible no matter if you use a separate replication network or not - or am i wrong? | 19:10 |
| peluse | it is | 19:10 |
| zaitcev | cschwede_: yes, but recovery occurs by our old mechanisms without reconciler, does it not | 19:10 |
| peluse | not w/the policy scenario just decribed | 19:11 |
| torgomatic | zaitcev: storage policies introduce a brand new failure mode that the reconciler fixes | 19:11 |
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| zaitcev | torgomatic: okay, I'll read the gist | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: thanks | 19:12 |
| cschwede_ | torgomatic: are there plans to include the reconciler into the container updater? | 19:12 |
| * cschwede_ also reads later | 19:12 | |
| notmyname | cschwede_: also bug chmouel about it :-) | 19:12 |
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| cschwede_ | notmyname: ok, will do :) | 19:12 |
| torgomatic | cschwede_: new daemon, not part of container updater | 19:12 |
| notmyname | portante: welcome. just finishing up reconciler discussion | 19:13 |
| portante | k, sorry I'm late | 19:13 |
| portante | thx | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | looking at dates, we will need to have the Icehouse RC at the end of March. that gives us about 6 weeks (a little less) from now to get the reconciler, account updater, and it merged to master | 19:14 |
| notmyname | I'd like to see the merge to master happen sooner than later so we can suss out anything that shows up at the end | 19:14 |
| notmyname | but I realize that the merge will take time | 19:14 |
| peluse | you mean acct rollup patch I assume - the updater was already merged to the EC branch | 19:14 |
| notmyname | peluse: yes, that | 19:14 |
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| peluse | note that we've been keeping the EC branch in sync w/master weekly so it shouldn't be so bad | 19:15 |
| notmyname | peluse: well not too many merge conflicts. that's not what I'm worried about :-) | 19:15 |
| peluse | hehe | 19:15 |
| notmyname | any other questions on storage policies for the meeting today? otherwise discussion can continue in -swift | 19:16 |
| peluse | quick EC update if interested | 19:16 |
| notmyname | yes, that would be good | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | peluse: keving: EC update? | 19:16 |
| peluse | keving tushar and I met in San Jose yesterday for a half day and white-baord the PUT/GET paths, more good detail coming out of that. keving is writting up a doc/picture | 19:17 |
| notmyname | great! | 19:17 |
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| peluse | also we talked about the next level of detial on the reconsitructor and I'm going start on that once the acct rollup on policies is done | 19:17 |
| keving | oh sorry… stepped away | 19:17 |
| keving | (what paul said) | 19:17 |
| peluse | that's all - just twanted to mention those two things (unless keving or tushar wants to add something) | 19:17 |
| creiht | can we call it the reconstitutor? :) | 19:18 |
| keving | the EC lib is done for now | 19:18 |
| peluse | we can call it Julie for all I care :) | 19:18 |
| creiht | haha | 19:18 |
| notmyname | keving: good to hear | 19:18 |
| peluse | rock on keving! | 19:18 |
| keving | i think we have a handle on PUT/GET/Reconstructor | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | we've already got a replicator; we can use whatever sci-fi sounding names we want now ;) | 19:18 |
| peluse | I kinda like the rehydrator | 19:19 |
| zaitcev | reintegrator | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | keving: I had a few general questions I wanted to ask about the EC stuff. can you join #openstack-swift? it's not really important stuff for this meeting | 19:19 |
| peluse | regurgitator | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ok, so no more on EC or storage policies? ;-) | 19:20 |
| peluse | nope | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | #topic python-swiftclient status | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | this is a fun* one. *fun not applicable in all areas | 19:20 |
| notmyname | so we had a big release last week | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | and it broke all the things | 19:21 |
| notmyname | but AFAIK, we're stable now. back to the way things should be | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | I send a post-mortem out (don't have the link handy now) | 19:21 |
| portante | yes, would like to see that, thanks | 19:22 |
| zaitcev | okay, we're shipping 2.0.2 in RDO. next topic. | 19:22 |
| notmyname | but the essence is that the cert checking wasn't properly tested and it was proken | 19:22 |
| cschwede_ | http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg16575.html | 19:22 |
| notmyname | broken, even | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | cschwede_: thanks | 19:22 |
| notmyname | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg16575.html | 19:22 |
| notmyname | tristanC is working on some further testing (starting with unit tests) for swiftclient | 19:23 |
| notmyname | and we also need some functional tests there | 19:23 |
| zaitcev | more like that other guy (other than Tristan) almost got it all working but security experts say that it's still too hazardous to reimplement, so let's use Requests. | 19:23 |
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| cschwede_ | notmyname: I'm working on functional tests | 19:23 |
| notmyname | ah cool | 19:24 |
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| cschwede_ | and tristanC and me were discussing these earlier | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to see the testing for swiftclient improve before we jump into the py3 changes | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | many of the existing tests aren't doing much "eg foo function returns any string" rather than actually checking it's doing the right thing | 19:25 |
| notmyname | so that's gotta improve | 19:25 |
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| cschwede_ | the question is: should we actually use a swift cluster for testing? | 19:25 |
| cschwede_ | or just a simple http server that behaves like a swift cluster? | 19:25 |
| cschwede_ | (for functional testing) | 19:25 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: swift functional tests require a swift cluster to be running | 19:26 |
| notmyname | seems reasonable to require the same for swiftclient | 19:26 |
| tristanC | Here are some unit test I wrote for the bugs that hit the gate friday: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74328/ | 19:26 |
| cschwede_ | notmyname: ok, i was thinking the same. thus i'll use a swift cluster like in swift functional tests | 19:26 |
| notmyname | tristanC: thanks | 19:26 |
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| tristanC | But I think we really need functionnal tests, it's not enough to unit test a network client | 19:27 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: and like swift itself, using a test config file is a sane option to allow testing against different clusters | 19:27 |
| notmyname | tristanC: agreed | 19:27 |
| cschwede_ | notmyname: ok! | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | any more questions on swiftclient, last weeks release, or plans there? | 19:27 |
| tristanC | well some performance concern have been raised on #openstack-swift | 19:28 |
| mjseger_ | that was me | 19:28 |
| mjseger_ | but I'm happy now ;) | 19:28 |
| notmyname | yes. mjseger_'s been doing a good job there :-) | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | and mjseger_ is happy, so that's good :-) | 19:29 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on then | 19:29 |
| notmyname | #topic make pbr an opt-in thing | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | pbr has always been another fun* topic. *again, fun not available in all areas | 19:30 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73738/ | 19:30 |
| creiht | hehe | 19:30 |
| notmyname | creiht has written a patch | 19:30 |
| notmyname | and I think most of us like it as-is. (well, I may add a few comments) | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | my plan is to make sure we are good with it (to avoid many needless patch sets) and then bring it up with the -infra team | 19:31 |
| notmyname | my goal is to make pbr and opt-in thing so as to reduce the packaging burden on deployers | 19:31 |
| creiht | if this goes through, then I will do the same as well for swiftclient | 19:32 |
| notmyname | creiht: thanks | 19:32 |
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| torgomatic | creiht: note that swift-bench is already just setuptools sans pbr, so you can skip doing that one | 19:32 |
| notmyname | any questions on this or concerns with the patch right now? | 19:32 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: or maybe add a setup.cfg | 19:33 |
| creiht | heh | 19:33 |
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| creiht | i'll wait until that is *required8 | 19:33 |
| creiht | *required* | 19:33 |
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| creiht | ;0 | 19:33 |
| creiht | ugh | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | #topic the review queue | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | I think we've been getting better here | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | the review queue is still long, but it's shorter than it was | 19:34 |
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| * portante has been staying away to keep this trend alive ... ;) | 19:34 | |
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| notmyname | links like https://review.openstack.org/#/q/-reviewer:torgomatic+AND+-reviewer:notmyname+AND+-reviewer:gholt+AND+-reviewer:peter-a-portante+AND+-reviewer:darrellb+AND+-reviewer:chmouel+AND+-reviewer:clay-gerrard+AND+-reviewer:zaitcev+AND+-reviewer:david-goetz+AND+-reviewer:cthier+AND+-reviewer:redbo+AND+-reviewer:greglange+AND+status:open+AND+-status:workinprogress+AND+(project:openstack/swift+OR+project:openstack/python-swiftclient+OR+proj | 19:35 |
| notmyname | ect:openstack/swift-bench),n,z | 19:35 |
| zaitcev | I wasn't reviewing squat this week, because reasons (becoming an expert in Glance and such). Will get better. | 19:35 |
| notmyname | are helpful | 19:35 |
| notmyname | ie stuff with no core reviews | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | something else that I've noticed is that when any one of us goes away and then comes back, things temporarily get better | 19:36 |
| creiht | haha | 19:36 |
| notmyname | eg, creiht's extra reviews recently have really helped out | 19:36 |
| notmyname | and I'd expect portante and zaitcev being more active in the next few weeks will help too | 19:36 |
| notmyname | I've seen similar things with swifterdarrell | 19:36 |
| notmyname | point being, it seems we're just under a critical mass of review velocity that we seem to break through occasionally | 19:37 |
| notmyname | dfg: your cors patch expired after you added your owm -1 | 19:37 |
| notmyname | what's the status of that? | 19:38 |
| notmyname | dfg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69419/ | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | ... | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | we've also got 2 competing patches up for the same issue | 19:39 |
| zaitcev | "there's a problem with this- will put up a new patch in a bit" (Jan 31) | 19:39 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74417/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74459/ | 19:39 |
| notmyname | from acoles and otherjon | 19:39 |
| notmyname | acoles: otherjon: anything to report there? any agreement on a direction? | 19:40 |
| otherjon | notmyname: I haven't heard from acoles | 19:40 |
| acoles | i put a new version up just before meeting | 19:40 |
| otherjon | acoles: I'll take a look | 19:40 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:40 |
| acoles | agree with your comment but found anothe rissue in process | 19:40 |
| zaitcev | both look fine at first glance | 19:40 |
| notmyname | either of you starting to like the other patch better? | 19:40 |
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| zaitcev | oh now what | 19:41 |
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| zaitcev | { } is still a dict isn't it. so they shouldn't conflit... right? | 19:41 |
| dfg | notmyname: sorry had to do something real quick. | 19:41 |
| acoles | zaitcev: i found { } (space significant) returned a 400 | 19:42 |
| acoles | zaitcev: so 2nd patch fixes that too | 19:42 |
| acoles | otherjon: let me know your thoughts | 19:42 |
| otherjon | acoles: I like your idea -- I was hoping to implement that change in parse_acl_v2 return value myself, but the ACL patch went through so many changes that it felt too risky to destabilize it with a non-trivial change in behavior | 19:42 |
| portante | dfg, folks, notmyname's computer just froze, rejoining shortly | 19:43 |
| dfg | notmyname: anyway- the cors is a pain because i think I have to keep things as backwards compatible as possible even though the existing cors behavior is pretty crappy | 19:43 |
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| otherjon | (re: returning None for invalid input) | 19:43 |
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| acoles | otherjon: ;) | 19:43 |
| otherjon | acoles: I haven't looked at the code yet, but if that's what you implemented, expect a +1 from me. :) | 19:43 |
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| acoles | otherjon: ok. thx. | 19:43 |
| notmyname | hmm...that was weird | 19:44 |
| notmyname | computer froze. had to restart | 19:44 |
| notmyname | acoles: otherjon: good there for now? | 19:44 |
| notmyname | I think I missed a couple of lines) | 19:44 |
| acoles | notmyname: yep. hope so. | 19:44 |
| otherjon | notmyname: I think we have agreement on how to proceed -- I'm a fan of acoles's idea, we just have to make sure we catch all the edge cases | 19:45 |
| notmyname | great to hear. thanks | 19:45 |
| notmyname | other reviews to discuss in the meeting this week? | 19:45 |
| dfg | notmyname: anyway- the cors is a pain because i think I have to keep things as backwards compatible as possible even though the existing cors behavior is pretty crappy | 19:45 |
| dfg | notmyname: did you see that? i'll try to get around to fixing it pretty soon | 19:45 |
| donagh | dfg: do we think anyone is *really* using the existing cors behavior (i.e., does it matter if break backwards compat [shock, horro]) | 19:45 |
| notmyname | dfg: ok. is it something you're actively working on or something that you'l get to at some point? | 19:45 |
| dfg | donagh: i don't know.. | 19:46 |
| notmyname | donagh: ya, I think some people are. but part of the issue is that we know that clusters support them and have not idea what the users are actually doing | 19:46 |
| donagh | ok. I can never get my head around it | 19:46 |
| donagh | ...so can't tell potential impact | 19:47 |
| notmyname | well, I do agree with dfg's commit message: "cors, a standard designed to annoy people" | 19:47 |
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| dfg | well- right now if you are relying on cors headers to be present for normal non-options calls they are just magically there- even if you never set up container lvl cors | 19:48 |
| zaitcev | we should have kept a hold of that boooi guy from Crunchy | 19:48 |
| zaitcev | interrogate him about actual practices | 19:48 |
| dfg | the change i made made that not true for static web | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | hmm | 19:48 |
| dfg | which seems harmless enough... but | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | dfg: I'm glad you were thinking about it | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | any other patches to bring up this week? | 19:50 |
| gvernik_ | container migration. acoles review it so far and provided me valuable comments. But I still need a core to review it. | 19:50 |
| dfg | the if-match thing for slos | 19:50 |
| zaitcev | well, there's 47713 as always... But I promised peluse to trade some Policy reviews for it and was pretty much failing it this week | 19:50 |
| notmyname | dfg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73162 ? torgomatic has that as WIP | 19:51 |
| torgomatic | dfg: yeah, I need to rework that one; you and gholt are right about the whitelist stuff | 19:51 |
| * torgomatic just needs some round tuits | 19:52 | |
| dfg | like- i don't know what the best solution is right now but i guess i'd like to note that we're kinda waiting on it for our release. which means whatever... | 19:52 |
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| torgomatic | dfg: you're waiting on if-match support, or a fix for the 500? | 19:52 |
| zaitcev | There's also a "WIP" 70513 "Guru Meditation" (idiotic name for a state dump) | 19:52 |
| zaitcev | I hoped someone would find it useful, but Greg said he moved beyond the pressing need for it | 19:53 |
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| zaitcev | I need to find someone who I can sell on goodness of it, otherwise Abandon officially. Anyone who's running a big enough cloud where replicators hang mysteriously might be interested, I think. Like anyone from HP perhaps? | 19:54 |
| dfg | torgomatic: i think the 500 one- but doesn't it depend on the other one? | 19:54 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: is it still WIP? | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | dfg: yeah, but that's because I suck at patch ordering :| | 19:54 |
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| zaitcev | notmyname: It's only marked WIP per your message, but I'm not actually working on it. It's ready to be used. | 19:54 |
| creiht | zaitcev: link? | 19:54 |
| dfg | oh ok- well i don't like patch ordering. i didn't really look to see what the actual dependencies are or anything | 19:55 |
| notmyname | dfg: ok, good to know you are waiting on that one. I'll add it to the priority review page | 19:55 |
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| zaitcev | creiht: like https://review.openstack.org/70513 ? | 19:55 |
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| creiht | zaitcev: ahh | 19:56 |
| donagh | zaitcev: "...replicators hang mysteriously..." Yes. HP interested. Will take a look | 19:56 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: I honestly don't remember what I said on that | 19:56 |
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| creiht | zaitcev: i'll try to poke at it | 19:56 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: if it's ready to be reviewed, please remove the WIP | 19:56 |
| notmyname | donagh: creiht: thanks | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | anything else in the last few minutes? | 19:58 |
| donagh | I have a FYI about the API docs | 19:58 |
| zaitcev | do tell | 19:58 |
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| donagh | Diane Fleming has done a major update http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-object-storage/1.0/content/ | 19:58 |
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| notmyname | ok | 19:59 |
| donagh | Actually two changes: the WADL and the spec | 19:59 |
| donagh | Chapter 2 of spec is the same as api ref on docs.openstack.org | 19:59 |
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| donagh | chapter 1 has lots more concept info (taken from old chapter 2) | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | donagh: are there some specific things we should look at? | 20:00 |
| donagh | plus stuff I wrote | 20:00 |
| notmyname | "Read the whole thing" is kinda hard to digest :-) | 20:00 |
| donagh | Understood. | 20:00 |
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| donagh | I guess if there is an area you know something about, it might be worth looking over | 20:01 |
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| zaitcev | donagh: but the Revision table is not updated, last entry une 10, 2013 • Corrected delete container to be delete object. | 20:01 |
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| donagh | e.g., StaticWeb | 20:01 |
| donagh | Things that changed: | 20:02 |
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| notmyname | donagh: it looks like that is already published? or is there an outstanding patch for it all? | 20:02 |
| donagh | Bulk upload, bulk deletem forport, tempurl, container quota | 20:02 |
| donagh | Its published. The doc people seem to do things differently | 20:02 |
| notmyname | looks like a section on the /info controller too | 20:02 |
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| donagh | Had some review by Sam | 20:03 |
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| donagh | Also an update to authentication -- makes Keystone and tempauth peers | 20:03 |
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| notmyname | ah, interesting | 20:03 |
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| cschwede_ | account quota is missing? | 20:03 |
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| donagh | Not there because users cant set account qoota | 20:04 |
| donagh | ..need to be reseller admin | 20:04 |
| donagh | dito account create/delete | 20:04 |
| notmyname | (FYI no meeting behind us today, so I didn't cut us off 4 minutes ago) | 20:04 |
| cschwede_ | ah, ok, only user part - sorry for that | 20:04 |
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| notmyname | donagh: thanks for mentioning the doc updates | 20:05 |
| zaitcev | I immediately squirreled away that API doc for my collection. | 20:05 |
| donagh | tks | 20:05 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming to the meeting today. see you all here next week | 20:06 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 20:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 20:06:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-02-19-19.00.html | 20:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-02-19-19.00.txt | 20:06 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-02-19-19.00.log.html | 20:06 |
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