| ujuc | o/ | 00:00 |
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| Daisy | good morning, ujuc! | 00:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 00:00:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 00:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 00:00 |
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| ujuc | Good moning, daisy :) | 00:00 |
| Daisy | welcome | 00:00 |
| Daisy | let's start while we are waiting for others. | 00:01 |
| epico | morning | 00:01 |
| Daisy | good morning. | 00:01 |
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| ujuc | good morning :) | 00:01 |
| Daisy | #topic Issues collection and progress check for "Installation guide" translation | 00:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Issues collection and progress check for "Installation guide" translation (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 00:01 | |
| stevebaker | hmm, this was meant to be heat's meeting slot | 00:01 |
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| Daisy | stevebaker: Is this? | 00:02 |
| Daisy | stevebaker: now it's I18n meeting, and we had been there for meeting for a long time. | 00:02 |
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| stevebaker | hang on, ignore me for a sec | 00:03 |
| randallburt | oh good. thought I'd screwed up my calendar. | 00:03 |
| Daisy | ujuc just reported an issue of http://docs.przytulnoc.pl/ | 00:03 |
| Daisy | related with ko_KR doc | 00:04 |
| stevebaker | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings says that i18n is at 0100UTC, which I believe is in an hour | 00:04 |
| Daisy | ujuc: please send an email to ML, I'm sure Deejay1 will follow up. | 00:04 |
| ujuc | yeap | 00:05 |
| stevebaker | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ | 00:05 |
| sdake | that timeanddate site must get alot of traffic from nerds everywhere :) | 00:05 |
| Daisy | oh. Sorry, stevebaker. | 00:05 |
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| stevebaker | no problem | 00:06 |
| Daisy | We moved our meeting 1 hour early several months ago, but I forget to update the wiki. | 00:06 |
| Daisy | I only updated our wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | we've had 2 meetings in this slot, but you may have been taking a break | 00:07 |
| Daisy | stevebaker, is it possible for you to use another channle? I remember there is another channel. | 00:07 |
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| Daisy | #openstack-meeting-alt? | 00:07 |
| Daisy | Every third Thursday, we have I18n meeting here. | 00:08 |
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| Daisy | And every first Thursday, we have meeting in another time slot. | 00:08 |
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| Daisy | That may cause the misunderstanding. | 00:08 |
| stevebaker | heaters, lets go to #openstack-meeting-alt | 00:08 |
| Daisy | sorry, heaters. | 00:09 |
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| ujuc | sorry, heaters..... | 00:09 |
| Daisy | let's continue then. | 00:09 |
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| ujuc | gogo | 00:10 |
| Daisy | ujuc: I see you make good progress in installation guide translation. Do you plan to finish the translation in this month? | 00:10 |
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| ujuc | may be..... :3 | 00:10 |
| Daisy | good. | 00:11 |
| Daisy | Chinese translation is far way from the goal. I will try my best too. | 00:11 |
| ujuc | :) | 00:12 |
| Daisy | I will check with German and Portuguese (Brazil) to see their plan. | 00:12 |
| Daisy | I'm good with the first topic now. | 00:13 |
| Daisy | Let's move to next. | 00:13 |
| ujuc | lol | 00:13 |
| Daisy | #topic: Synchronization processes for Horizon messages translation | 00:13 |
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| Daisy | As my previous discussion with amotoki, two ways of syncronization between Transifex and git for Horizon messages will be autoamtica till the first RC1. After RC1, Transfiex resources will continously be automatic updated, yet po files in git won't. So the job to update po files in git has to be stopped. | 00:13 |
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| Daisy | any questions? | 00:14 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: are you around? | 00:14 |
| ujuc | good :) | 00:14 |
| Daisy | ok. | 00:15 |
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| Daisy | #topic open discussion | 00:15 |
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| Daisy | I think it's a quite small meeting. | 00:15 |
| ujuc | me too | 00:15 |
| ujuc | ;) | 00:15 |
| Daisy | The Atlanta summit will be held from May 12 to May 16. | 00:16 |
| epico | :) | 00:16 |
| Daisy | I have sent a email to our ML to introduce the travel support program. | 00:16 |
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| Daisy | I know most of translators are not sponsored. | 00:16 |
| Daisy | If our translators want to join, we may consider this program. | 00:16 |
| ujuc | oh :) | 00:17 |
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| Daisy | The program will support "key contributors" who has sessions in the design summit. | 00:17 |
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| Daisy | I welcome any ideas related with our translation platform and translation process. | 00:18 |
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| Daisy | If you have, let's have a discuss, we can polish these ideas together. | 00:18 |
| ujuc | um... daisy, you say make translation tool ...? | 00:18 |
| Daisy | I welcome any feedback related with I18n and L10n for openstack too. | 00:18 |
| Daisy | yes, ujuc | 00:19 |
| ujuc | doing? | 00:19 |
| ujuc | um ... | 00:19 |
| Daisy | the platform includes Transifex, and the synchronization scripts. | 00:19 |
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| Daisy | The process may include the translation process, the synchronization process, the review process, the bug report process, and etc. | 00:20 |
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| ujuc | oh~ | 00:20 |
| ujuc | :) | 00:20 |
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| Daisy | Think about them. | 00:21 |
| ujuc | How can I see the prototype? | 00:21 |
| Daisy | I think we are using it, ujuc. | 00:21 |
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| ujuc | :) | 00:22 |
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| Daisy | The current tools and processes are what we are using now. | 00:22 |
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| Daisy | If you are not satisfied with anything, think about how to improve them. | 00:22 |
| Daisy | Even you have only a requirement, we can have a discussion and figure out a possible solution. | 00:22 |
| Daisy | same with you, epico. | 00:23 |
| ujuc | 好 | 00:23 |
| ujuc | ;) | 00:23 |
| Daisy | I know your interests are I18n and L10n. If you have any ideas to improve I18n and L10n of openstack as a software, let's have a discussion. | 00:23 |
| epico | okay :) | 00:23 |
| Daisy | good. | 00:24 |
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| Daisy | I'm going to send an email to our ML and ask for the translators email who contributed to installation guide translation. | 00:25 |
| Daisy | Those translators should be recognized. | 00:25 |
| Daisy | I'm done. | 00:26 |
| Daisy | Anything else to discuss? | 00:26 |
| ujuc | no :) | 00:26 |
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| Daisy | epico, how about you? | 00:26 |
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| epico | no | 00:26 |
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| Daisy | ok. so let's close the meeting. | 00:27 |
| Daisy | Thank you for attending. | 00:27 |
| ujuc | :) | 00:27 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 00:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 00:27:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-02-20-00.00.html | 00:27 |
| Daisy | 再见 | 00:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-02-20-00.00.txt | 00:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-02-20-00.00.log.html | 00:27 |
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| ujuc | :) have a good day :) | 00:28 |
| epico | thanks :) | 00:28 |
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| jgriffith | jog0: It'll be funny if nothing breaks :) | 00:45 |
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| jgriffith | jog0: just sayin | 00:45 |
| jog0 | jgriffith: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74786/ ? | 00:47 |
| jog0 | jgriffith: I already ran unit tests locally it breaks things ;) | 00:47 |
| jgriffith | jog0: I know.. but it sure would be funny :) | 00:47 |
| jgriffith | jog0: I tried it a while back, it was ugly | 00:48 |
| jog0 | heh yeah | 00:48 |
| jog0 | so not sure how much you saw in -dev | 00:48 |
| jog0 | but I have in idea I want to try out in nova | 00:48 |
| jog0 | start a nova/oslo sync team | 00:48 |
| jog0 | to centralize effort | 00:48 |
| jgriffith | jog0: interesting | 00:48 |
| jog0 | and get low hanging fruit out of the way | 00:48 |
| jog0 | and then when we find the hard parts we can either fix nova | 00:49 |
| jog0 | or push back on oslo for backwards compat | 00:49 |
| jog0 | as needed | 00:49 |
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| jgriffith | jog0: the only thing that worries me about that is not doing it in paralell with other projects | 00:49 |
| jgriffith | know what I mean? | 00:49 |
| jgriffith | jog0: so my beef all along is that we kinda seem to be just shifting the copy/past of oslo | 00:49 |
| jgriffith | jog0: used to be everybody copied from nova to xxxx | 00:50 |
| jgriffith | jog0: now we have oslo which is goodness | 00:50 |
| jog0 | jgriffith: so to your first concern, | 00:50 |
| jgriffith | jog0: but it's very much nova-centric so to speak... not saying that's bad | 00:50 |
| jog0 | the first big sync will find some oslo bugs | 00:50 |
| jog0 | so figure one project should bite the bullet | 00:50 |
| jgriffith | ahh... hopeuflly pave the way so to speak | 00:50 |
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| jog0 | yup | 00:51 |
| jgriffith | jog0: seems like a descent strategy | 00:51 |
| jog0 | so the copy/paste issue I agree | 00:51 |
| jog0 | this is a short term solution while oslo librarifies | 00:52 |
| jgriffith | makes sense | 00:52 |
| jgriffith | So etherpad to track for now? | 00:52 |
| jog0 | so I picked nova here because I have a bit of karma saved up to get reviews | 00:52 |
| jgriffith | jog0: :) | 00:52 |
| jog0 | so started a etherpad for the cinder patch, but that patch is a throw-away | 00:53 |
| jog0 | just a thought exercise | 00:53 |
| jog0 | to see the scope etc | 00:53 |
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| jog0 | drafting a ML email to announce the nova push | 00:53 |
| jgriffith | Yeah.. so I was leaning towards some sort of documentation/guide for the synch from the oslo/nova team to help the *next* project | 00:53 |
| jgriffith | working off of merge history/diffs is *ok* but might be valuable things learned | 00:54 |
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| jog0 | jgriffith: I like that idea | 00:54 |
| jgriffith | jog0: I'll look for your ML post, think this sounds like a good effort all the way around | 00:55 |
| jog0 | now I just have to write it ;) | 00:55 |
| jgriffith | jog0: details | 00:56 |
| jgriffith | :) | 00:56 |
| jgriffith | jog0: thanks for stepping up on this | 00:56 |
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| jog0 | I complained too much to not do anything :( | 00:58 |
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| jog0 | jgriffith: thoughts, comments : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/wergdse | 01:11 |
| jog0 | email draft | 01:11 |
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| jgriffith | jog0: reading... | 01:11 |
| jgriffith | jog0: me likes | 01:12 |
| jgriffith | jog0: and the last two bullet items you have are perfect IMO | 01:12 |
| jog0 | those are the hard ones | 01:13 |
| jgriffith | jog0: indeed | 01:13 |
| jog0 | and sent | 01:13 |
| jgriffith | jog0: but just stating it's a goal is a start | 01:13 |
| jog0 | yeah | 01:13 |
| jgriffith | jog0: and something is better than nothing | 01:13 |
| jgriffith | iterative processes | 01:13 |
| jog0 | amen | 01:13 |
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| jog0 | jgriffith: I may have gotten the unit tests to pass | 01:50 |
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| enikanorov_ | neutron lbaas meeting in 3 minutes | 13:57 |
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| sballe | enikanorov_, morning :-) | 13:59 |
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| enikanorov_ | hi, sballe! | 14:00 |
| enikanorov_ | who's online for the meeting? | 14:00 |
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| sbalukoff | Howdy! | 14:00 |
| vjay | Hi Everyone! | 14:01 |
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| obondarev | o/ | 14:01 |
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| edhall | hi | 14:01 |
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| sballe | hi | 14:01 |
| enikanorov_ | hi all | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov_ | #startmeetng neutron lbaas | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov_ | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 14:01:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| xuhanp | hello | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | today we're going to finalize what has been discussed recently over ML | 14:02 |
| obondarev | great | 14:02 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov_ | i've just updated the wiki page on the discussion | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/LoadbalancerInstance/Discussion | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | thanks sbalukoff for cool pictures | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov_ | so far we agreed to go with model number 3 | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | so I'll start with basic terminology to set things clear | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | main configuration objects in model #3 that are changed in comparison to existing model are VIP, Pool, Listener | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | I'm not talking right now about instance/loadbalancer, we'll discuss that later | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | so one of the concerns that was discussed the most is that we are mixing implementation detail with public API | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | and impl details are, in particular, a deployment scheme of logical config to a backend | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | so, VIP in new model #3 is the new root object | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | so any kind of bindings, and association which users does or doesn't controll are attached to VIP | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | Listener represent a listening socket on the same address but possibly with different port/protocol | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | Pool mostly remains the same, however it looses its 'root' role | 14:11 |
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| enikanorov_ | To describe the essense of the change, let me provide you a workflow example | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | so tenant wants to create 2 pools and 2 listeners, 1listener will point to 1 pool (default) ,and another lsitener will point to 1st pol as a default and to another pool via l7 rules | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | the sequence canl be the following: | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | 1) create pool1 | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | 2) craete pool2 | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | pools creation doesn't effect in scheduling and backend consumption | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | 3) create VIP | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | 4) create listener 1 for VIP | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | 5) create listener 2 for VIP | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | 6) set pool1 as default pool for listener1 | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | 7) set pool1 as default pool for listener2 | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | 8) set pool2 as L7 pool for listener2 | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | some of those steps can be combined in one | 14:15 |
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| sbalukoff | No problem! | 14:15 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: loadbalancer and cluster are HA related in your proposal, right? | 14:15 |
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| sbalukoff | Yes. | 14:15 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: I think HA may be added to the model at any moment and that can be done in a backward compatible way | 14:15 |
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| vjay | enikanorov: It might be trivial, but could we have quick recap, of why new object model. | 14:15 |
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| vjay | It started with having pools in the same device for L7 config. | 14:15 |
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| vjay | Moved to EndPoint IPs / Virtual IPs have to be hosted in same device and the drive was proposed to make IP the focal point for placement. | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | obondarev: By delegating HA to the driver? | 14:16 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: no | 14:16 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: not necessarily | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | obondarev: Could you please explain how? Would adding HA require a model change? | 14:16 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: it might require, but that would be backward compatible additions to the model | 14:16 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: so, #3 picture seems enough to me at the moment | 14:16 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: as we can add HA later | 14:16 |
| edhall | what prevents us from adding it to the model now? | 14:16 |
| obondarev | sbalukoff: as we can add HA laterI know you have concerns that #3 model doesn't handle HA | 14:16 |
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| iwamoto_ | how do you maintain backward-compat with #3? | 14:16 |
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| obondarev | iwamoto_: it can be done | 14:16 |
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| enikanorov_ | when you attach the pool to a listener, it starts to belong to a backend, and cant be shared by another backend (that's the API limitation we'd like to preserve) | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | so one of the discussion points was around the ability of sharing pools between VIPs (which may represent different backends) | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | vjay: right | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | let's not interleave threads; we can discuss HA later | 14:16 |
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| enikanorov_ | so, are there questions on object model? | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | about vip-pool-listener relationships? | 14:16 |
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| enikanorov_ | network is stormy today | 14:16 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. wondering if we want to defer | 14:16 |
| markmcclain | I'm only getting half of the conversation | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | iwamoto_: mostly the visible API change is around 'provider' attribute | 14:16 |
| markmcclain | and the eavesdrop logs seem incomplete | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: you're getting in and out | 14:16 |
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| enikanorov_ | honestly i'd be glad to defer, because i'm not feeling well. | 14:17 |
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| sbalukoff | I'm OK with deferring, eh. People haven't had much time to think of implications of new model anyway. | 14:18 |
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| sballe | enikanorov, sorry to hear that you are not doing well | 14:18 |
| iwamoto_ | enikanorov: backward-compat API doesn't have listener. how can listener be handled? | 14:18 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: sorry you're sick | 14:18 |
| iwamoto_ | +1 for deferring | 14:18 |
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| enikanorov_ | thanks, no prob folks :) | 14:18 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, let me find the slot | 14:18 |
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| sbalukoff | Feel better, dude! | 14:19 |
| markmcclain | we can just meeting next week at the scheduled time | 14:19 |
| markmcclain | s/meeting/meet/ | 14:19 |
| sbalukoff | I'm OK with that. | 14:19 |
| enikanorov_ | hm, ok then. it will give more time for everyone to dig through our large poems in ML | 14:19 |
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| vjay | take care enikanorov | 14:20 |
| sballe | me too. I need exra time to catch-up. | 14:20 |
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| enikanorov_ | ok. thanks every one for joining. lets end the meeting | 14:20 |
| s3wong | Thanks | 14:20 |
| sballe | bye | 14:20 |
| iwamoto_ | enikanorov: hope you get well soon | 14:20 |
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| enikanorov_ | thanks! | 14:20 |
| avishayb_ | bye | 14:20 |
| vjay | bye | 14:20 |
| enikanorov_ | #endmeeting | 14:20 |
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| edhall | bye | 14:20 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 14:20:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:20 |
| enikanorov_ | good bye | 14:20 |
| obondarev | bye folks | 14:20 |
| sbalukoff | Bye! | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-02-20-14.01.html | 14:20 |
| markmcclain | bye | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-02-20-14.01.txt | 14:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-02-20-14.01.log.html | 14:20 |
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| vjay | markmcclain: Are you still there? Youcef has uploaded latest patch will all fixes to NetScaler driver. Would you be having time to have a look? | 14:22 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 15:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| jd__ | hi everyone | 15:00 |
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| nsaje_ | hi! | 15:00 |
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| ildikov_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| nealph_ | o/ | 15:00 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| nprivalova | o/ | 15:01 |
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| gordc | o/ | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | o/ | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | #topic Milestone status icehouse-3 | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 15:03 |
| ildikov_ | kind reminder: link# https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ceilometer+branch:master+topic:bp/complex-filter-expressions-in-api-queries,n,z | 15:03 |
| jd__ | So I've already removed all unstarted blueprint this week | 15:03 |
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| ildikov_ | we also started to implement the client part: link# https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74463/ | 15:03 |
| jd__ | now it's unlikely we'll complete in that list anyway, so if you know you won't finish patches by the end of this week it's better to say so now and remove the blueprint from the roadmap | 15:04 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: likely I'd remove https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/decoupled-source-sink-discoverable-resources no? | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | jd__: I'm making progress on it, proposed a WIP patch earlier https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75006/ | 15:05 |
| jd__ | sileht: what do you think about oslo.messaging portage? | 15:05 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: are you confident the whole bp will be implemented for i3? | 15:05 |
| eglynn | jd__: that just addresses the resource discovery, but will have another tmrw with the pipeline breakout | 15:05 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep I am confident | 15:05 |
| jd__ | ok | 15:05 |
| eglynn | jd__: I've just got 100% of my time ring-fenced off for i3-focus until March 6th | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | jd__: ... so should all be do-able without the distraction of productization work | 15:06 |
| nsaje_ | jd__, eg: sorry for missing out the last meeting, but https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/time-constrained-alarms should be ready for review today, is it possible to re-add it for i3? | 15:06 |
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| jd__ | nsaje_: ok but at least update the status | 15:06 |
| eglynn | nsaje_: cool, thanks! | 15:06 |
| nsaje_ | jd__: will do | 15:06 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ok | 15:07 |
| jd__ | eglynn: let me know if anything won't make it, we already have too many blueprints | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | jd__: sure, I'll keep the status in launchpad current | 15:07 |
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| jd__ | awesome thanks | 15:07 |
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| jd__ | likely, whatever is not proposed by the end of the week or early next week will be postponed | 15:08 |
| jd__ | anythone else otherwise? | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | #topic Tempest integration | 15:09 |
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| nprivalova | hi all! | 15:09 |
| jd__ | nprivalova: around? | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | great :) | 15:09 |
| nprivalova | Not too much to say actually. CRUDs fro alarms were merged | 15:10 |
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| nsaje_ | nprivalova: great! | 15:10 |
| nprivalova | and on this week we were trying to make notifications work but still in progress | 15:10 |
| eglynn | nsaje_, nprivalova: nice work, kudos! | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | cool | 15:11 |
| nprivalova | sileht is fixing nova AFAIK | 15:11 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:11 |
| nprivalova | so I hope that he will make notifications work :) | 15:11 |
| jd__ | yeah | 15:12 |
| jd__ | nother good idea for having tests :) | 15:12 |
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| nprivalova | I think that we should merge notification tests in I-cycle (at least) | 15:12 |
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| nprivalova | because all of them are ready | 15:13 |
| eglynn | sileht: that strange oslo-messaging issue with a circular ref in the scheduler run_instance RPC call? | 15:13 |
| sileht | eglynn, yes | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | sileht: ... seemed to completely break nova scheduler in devstack for me earlier in the week | 15:13 |
| nprivalova | I think that's all from my side | 15:13 |
| eglynn | sileht: ... but then disappeared for no good reason after I did a git ftech/rebase in nova | 15:13 |
| sileht | eglynn, I have enhanced the mock of the notifier into the unit to reproduce the issue | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | sileht: cool ... I couldn't understand why things worked after a rebase in nova as none of the commits looked relevant | 15:14 |
| sileht | eglynn, from what I have seen it occur when an Exception is embedded into the notification payload | 15:14 |
| sileht | eglynn, you need to have something else that fail to see the failure | 15:15 |
| * jd__ nods | 15:15 | |
| eglynn | sileht: a-ha, maybe just a restart of the nova scheduler was enough to avoid a NoValidHost exception occurring | 15:15 |
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| jd__ | failing the failure, basically | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | yeap, got it | 15:15 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:15 |
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| nprivalova | the problem that we have is 'environment repro'. We were trying to simulate env but got rebasing issue | 15:15 |
| eglynn | no need AFAIK | 15:15 |
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| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | (feel free to continue :) | 15:16 |
| sileht | I'm close to have my latest oslo.messaging patches needed for ceilometer merged ! | 15:16 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann: have you seen my comment on the trailing slash bug? | 15:16 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann: link# https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1202744 | 15:16 |
| jd__ | sileht: so are we likely to switch for i3? | 15:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1202744 in ceilometer "Final "/" when requesting meters: unexpected behaviour" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | ildikov_: looking now | 15:16 |
| eglynn | a heads-up that voting has opened today for the Atlanta conference track | 15:16 |
| eglynn | (... as opposed to the design sessions, that'll be later) | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/SearchForm | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | ildikov_: the pecan release with the fix is out now, and the change to the global requirements list just landed | 15:17 |
| eglynn | ^^^ search for ceilometer and you'll get about a dozen related abstracts | 15:17 |
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| sileht | jd__, how does many time remaining ? one week ? | 15:17 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: I assume https://review.openstack.org/#q,topic:bp/monitoring-physical-devices,n,z will have conflict/dependency on your decopule pipeline thing, right? | 15:17 |
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| jd__ | sileht: 2 weeks before the release, but I'll likely postpone things before next week | 15:18 |
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| nprivalova | guys, I need your heads in HBase reviewing, I have 3 patches without review for a long time https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68583/ and 2 about alarming | 15:18 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann: I was just wondering that it would be still better to remove the trailing slash from the doc | 15:18 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: yeap, the resource loader aspect will be replaced by the resource discovery logic | 15:18 |
| jd__ | I'll take a look nprivalova | 15:18 |
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| jd__ | I'll try to spend the rest of the week reviewing code on Ceilo and Oslo | 15:18 |
| sileht | jd__, if markmc is ok with my latest update this morning, it should be ok | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ildikov_: I need to look at the pull request again, to make sure it's not going to break cases where the slash should be present, but probably | 15:19 |
| jd__ | sileht: ok, great | 15:19 |
| nprivalova | oh, sorry https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68641/7 have higher priority | 15:19 |
| nprivalova | jd__, ^^ thanks! | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | ildikov_: that may not happen for ~24 hrs | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | ildikov_: dhellmann: I had this discussion with ryanpetrello already, and I think we all agree the doc should not have a final / | 15:19 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: but at least the snmp inspector patch https://review.openstack.org/43073 shouldn't dependend on that, I think | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: ok, cool | 15:19 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann: thanks for the pecan fix and release info | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: agreed that should be independent | 15:20 |
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| ildikov_ | jd__: thanks, sounds good, I have a fix for sphinxcontrib-pecanwsme already uploaded | 15:21 |
| jd__ | ildikov_: is there a review I can +2? | 15:22 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann, jd__: I will close that Ceilo bug about trailing slash, if the doc question was solved | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | jd__, ildikov_ : we should chat about the slash thing before taking any other action | 15:22 |
| jd__ | as you wish | 15:22 |
| ildikov_ | jd__: link# https://github.com/dreamhost/sphinxcontrib-pecanwsme/pull/12 | 15:22 |
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| llu-laptop | ok, so i'm calling for more reviews on https://review.openstack.org/43073, it's been there for the whole I cycle | 15:23 |
| llu-laptop | thanks | 15:23 |
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| ildikov_ | dhellmann: fine with me, I linked the related chapter of the RFC in my comment on that bug about this | 15:23 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann: if we can identify exceptions, then it can be handled in sphinxcontrib | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | ildikov_: i just want to make sure an api doc change isnt seen as "breaking" | 15:24 |
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| ildikov_ | dhellmann: sure, I totally agree | 15:25 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann: in my opinion the only question is, when the webprefix is empty do we need a slash there or not | 15:26 |
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| dhellmann | ildikov_: I agree we don't need the slash, but changing the published API endpoints could be interpreted as a change to the API, so we want to be careful | 15:27 |
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| ildikov_ | dhellmann: that pecan fix has changed the behavior of Ceilometer's API already | 15:29 |
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| ildikov_ | dhellmann_: do you mean the change here that if we change the API doc, then it will describe another behavior than before? | 15:30 |
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| dhellman_ | ildikov_: not a different behavior, but the URLs are (slightly) different -- does that count as an API change? perhaps not, since both versions of the API work | 15:31 |
| dhellman_ | llu-laptop: good, at least it isn't just me | 15:32 |
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| ildikov_ | dhellman_: I think it is not an API change | 15:33 |
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| dhellmann | ildikov_: I am leaning toward agreeing, but I want to make sure -- I don't know how strict those rules are | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | jd__? | 15:34 |
| eglynn | so fixing previously incorrect/unintended behaviour is not really an API change surely? | 15:34 |
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| ildikov_ | dhellman_: for me it seems a bigger API change that the v2/meters/ endpoint now behaves differently, than before the pecan fix, but it's just my point of view | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: both forms of the urls will still work | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | ildikov_: ok, that is a surprise to me | 15:34 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: aha, ok | 15:34 |
| ryanpetrello | how does the v2/meters/ endpoint now work differently? | 15:35 |
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| dhellmann | the endpoint shouldn't behave differently? | 15:35 |
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| jd__ | I don't think it's an API change since both will work | 15:35 |
| ryanpetrello | what I did was I took the bug fix out of ceilometer and put it into pecan :) | 15:35 |
| jd__ | we just fix the doc | 15:35 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann, ryanpetrello: now v2/meters/ returns the list of meters, before the bugfix, it returned the list of samples for all meters | 15:35 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: what was the old behaviour that appears different to you now? | 15:35 |
| jd__ | the question is more likely: was it a good idea to put this fix in Pecan, and I'm not sure it was | 15:36 |
| jd__ | because the bug is in the doc generator originally, not in the code, to me | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | ildikov_: what is v2/meters/ documented to return? | 15:36 |
| ryanpetrello | so the *expected* behavior is that the same URL with a slash on the end returns different results? | 15:36 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann: it was documented to return meters, so it works now correctly, but behaves differently | 15:36 |
| eglynn | so the prior returning of all samples for all meters smells like unintended behaviour that a client shouldn't have relied on | 15:37 |
| ryanpetrello | I see | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: certainly if that's not what we documented | 15:37 |
| eglynn | ... i.e. it was bug, not an implicit part of the API contract IIUC | 15:37 |
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| ildikov_ | it was a bug, that could be used as a feature | 15:39 |
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| dhellmann | does our python client use the "feature"? | 15:39 |
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| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines | 15:40 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: I don't think so | 15:40 |
| ildikov_ | and as the trailing slash is not part of the URL, it was also a bug in the documentation | 15:40 |
| eglynn | ^^^ doesn't really add an clarity | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | acceptable == "Fixing a bug so that a request which resulted in an error response before is now successful" | 15:40 |
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| dhellmann | that sounds somewhat applicable in this case | 15:41 |
| eglynn | whereas we have "Fixing a bug so that a request which resulted in an unintended response before is now returnin the intended data" | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | dhellmann: yeah, following the spirit of the guideline I guess | 15:41 |
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| dhellmann | I think it's probably ok to update the doc tool, which will update the docs | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | yeap ... if a gun was put to my head, I would go down on the side this not being an API-breaking change, so just an doc update for clarity would be acceptable | 15:44 |
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| * jd__ nods again | 15:44 | |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:44 |
| ildikov_ | dhellmann: according to what eglynn linked here, I think so too | 15:44 |
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| ildikov_ | eglynn: +1 :) | 15:45 |
| jd__ | anything else? | 15:45 |
| eglynn | nope, nowt from me ... let's get back to churning out the code for i3! | 15:45 |
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| eglynn | ... and the reviews! ;) | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 15:46 |
| ildikov_ | +1 | 15:46 |
| jd__ | ack! | 15:46 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 15:46:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-02-20-15.00.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-02-20-15.00.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-02-20-15.00.log.html | 15:46 |
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| jd__ | happy hacking | 15:47 |
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| ildikov_ | thanks guys, bye | 15:47 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 18:00:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | Hi OSSG | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | #topic Rollcall | 18:00 |
| bknudson | bdpayne: hi | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:00 | |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 18:00 |
| nkinder | o/ | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | ok, looks good | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | #topic Agenda | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | I have a few things on my mind today... open to others as well | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | OSSG Leadership | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | Summit Talk Voting | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | any other topics? | 18:01 |
| nkinder | nothing major, just small updates we can discuss in open-discussion | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | sounds like you guys are more tired than me :-) | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | sure, sounds good nkinder | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | #topic Summit Talk Voting | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | So, I know that many people submitted talks | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | And now voting has started | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | So I just wanted to give people a brief opportunity to advertise their talk here | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | feel free to paste in a link to your talk so the group can be aware and vote on it | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | here's mine: | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/openstack-security-group-ossg-an-update-on-our-progress-and-plans | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | and | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/security-for-private-openstack-clouds | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | the first one is an OSSG talk with Nate, Rob, and myself | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | we should all vote for that one! | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | the other one is just me... but I'd be happy for votes if you like the idea :-) | 18:04 |
| nkinder | I voted for both of those earlier this morning | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | cool, thanks | 18:04 |
| nkinder | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/dogtag-and-barbican-open-source-key-management | 18:05 |
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| nkinder | That's from one of my co-workers. It's related to barbican, which should be interesting from a security perspective | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | cool, sounds interesting | 18:05 |
| nkinder | Here's one of mine: | 18:05 |
| nkinder | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/openstack-security-crunchy-on-the-outside-with-a-chewy-center | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | ah nice | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | like a yummy candy bar | 18:06 |
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| paulmo | :) | 18:06 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei had a talk I voted for too | 18:07 |
| nkinder | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/state-of-openstack-security | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | great, so this is a nice selection here | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | #topic OSSG Leadership | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSG Leadership (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:08 | |
| bdpayne | So I'd like to take a moment to discuss this one | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | As many of you know, Rob and I started OSSG about 1.5 years ago | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | it has come a long way since then | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | but one theme has remained constant... Rob and I are both *very* busy | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | and neither of our jobs are making it easy for us to devote lots of time to this leadership role in OSSG | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | I spoke with Rob this week and we believe that this time is right for us to step down as leaders of this group | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | the goal here would be to hold an election to fill the role with a single person | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | I think that this is an important next step for the continued growth of the group and to ensure that we can have the kind of impact in the community that we desire | 18:10 |
| nkinder | hopefully the two of you are still planning to be involved as your availability permits? | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | yes, we are | 18:10 |
| nkinder | ok, great | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | in fact, this whole thing kind of makes us sad :-( | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | but I believe it is the right step | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | OSSG is important to us, and we certainly won't be just walking away | 18:11 |
| nkinder | growth of the group is key right now | 18:11 |
| paulmo | I haven't been here long but thanks for the effort and above and beyond to keep things moving! :) | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | we just want to make sure that someone at the top has the time to make this group solid | 18:11 |
| nkinder | by growth though, it's getting people involved. There are alot of members, but there isn't a lot of involvement. | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | paulmo thanks | 18:11 |
| paulmo | nkinder: I'm successfully convincing our Product Security team to join (probably one active member) if that helps. | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | nkinder yes, it is growth like that, but also growth in the sense of maturity | 18:11 |
| nkinder | paulmo: that would be great | 18:12 |
| malini1 | sad announcement | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | in my view, we need to concentrate on a few areas that provide value to the community and do them well | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | and work to really be recognized as a full part of the OpenStack community | 18:12 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: +1. We need a clear charter so be can be a legitimate pare of OpenStack (as opposed to a side group that is thought of as unofficial) | 18:13 |
| nkinder | s/pare/part/ | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I actually view this as a time for us to show how healthy we are as a community | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | we should get some strong candidates to put their names forward and really push this group to the next level | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | so... I'm now stepping away immediately | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | and I intend to stay a part of this group well into the future | 18:14 |
| nkinder | s/now/not/ ? | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ha, not | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | yea | 18:14 |
| nkinder | whew... :) | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | I'm *not* stepping aside immediately | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ;-) | 18:14 |
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| malini1 | whew indeed!! | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | I will help ensure that the election happens smoothly | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | and I'm thinking that perhaps the handoff should happen at the summit in May | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | which should provide time for elections and some transition | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | with all of that, I'd like to hear your thoughts | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry, I'm here now! | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | I presume you've mentioned something about us being very busy bdpayne ;) | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | perfect timing! | 18:16 |
| nkinder | I'm in basic agreement with all of that, though sad that you and hyakuhei have to step back. | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry I'm late, damned customers wanting to know about security etc. | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | hyaluhei yeah, just finished laying out a path forward for leadership elections | 18:16 |
| nkinder | Having a clear lead role is a good idea. | 18:16 |
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| nkinder | My largest concerns are having enough team involvement to do the things we set out to do well. | 18:17 |
| malini1 | I understand the sentiment too. But question one leader only .. is that to be in sync with PTLs on other projects, one voice kind of thing | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | so... to ensure that everyone sees this, I will be sending out an email to the mailing list | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | just reading through the log, thanks bdpayne I think you've covered it all. | 18:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Personally I'll look to be involved in a couple of key projects that I hope I can dedicate some more time to | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | malini1 yes, I'm trying to mirror the PTL model | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | as I think that an elected "PTL" will be most easily accepted by the openstack community | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | so that should help OSSH gain acceptance with the larger community | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | Having a single poc is sometimes a good thing | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | *OSSG | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | Although they're also a single point of failure | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | and yeah, a single POC is useful | 18:18 |
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| hyakuhei | moving away from our current, dual points of failure ;) | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | but, there's plenty of room for all of us to contribute | 18:18 |
| nkinder | We can have a PTL set a clear charter of the things we want to accomplish as a group, but we really need to deliver on those goals to gain acceptance. | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | exactly | 18:19 |
| hyakuhei | Agreed. | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | and delivery is for the whole group to do | 18:19 |
| nkinder | +1. | 18:19 |
| malini1 | Give me a break you guys. You pulled off a book, cover OSSA and OSSNs -- not a single point of failure, all meetings covered between the two of you | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | ok, so stay tuned on the email list for most details, a timeline, etc | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | malini1 thanks... yeah, and we're pretty tired now too ;-) | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:20 |
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| hyakuhei | malini1: Thanks, it's nice to be appreciated but I have high hopes for this group and I think that someone other than me (or perhaps someone without the same commitments) can move the group along | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | Has anyone had a look at the Keystone threat analysis stuff? | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | link? | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | I had a look but couldn't comment on the document. It looks like a good start and clearly borrows from the security guide in places - which is a good thing | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: one sec | 18:21 |
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| hyakuhei | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1aEVfmQtqnoMmpPZ3hmUHpBa1k/edit?usp=sharing | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry, I thought that the email about that stuff had gone to the whole distro, maybe it was just those that showed an earlier interest | 18:22 |
| bknudson | who's putting this document together? | 18:22 |
| malini1 | Just a quick comment .. the book linked me to some folks at McAfee for a firewall as a service network-virtual-function POC for Neutron | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei I think this may be the first I've heard of this document? | 18:23 |
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| nkinder | yes, first I've heard of this doc too | 18:24 |
| bknudson | I didn't know you were going to start with keystone. | 18:24 |
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| hyakuhei | This isn't my baby | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | One second, I can't see what this shouldn't be shared with the whole group (email on route) | 18:25 |
| malini1 | :-) Keystone is a logical starting point .. we all think of login/password as a first step | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | Logical, big and scary | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | I might have been inclined to do Glance first | 18:26 |
| nkinder | This look similar to an analysis of keystone that was done back in Folsom | 18:26 |
| bknudson | if it's big and scary then it's doing too much | 18:27 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: meet keystone. Keystone, bknudson | 18:27 |
| paulmo | Is there a threat model repo (or previous analysis)? | 18:27 |
| hyakuhei | Not much that I'm aware of. | 18:27 |
| paulmo | I might be weird but I really want to make a Solum threat model very prominent on the site. | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | hyakuhei so is there an action here? is there a person that is pushing this work forward and in need of help or ?? | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | It seems to be organised largely by email at the moment. There's a call/meeting for this, possibly tomorrow I'm going to attend that and see how itgoes | 18:29 |
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| bdpayne | cool, sounds good | 18:29 |
| nkinder | I would hope that whoever is preparing this is getting engaged with the keystone devs (like bnkudson) | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | malini1: re McAfee can you send me the link please? | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | keep us posted | 18:29 |
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| malini1 | On the starting-point .. how often is keystone replaced with a plugin and all that is really used are its tokens and access policies, it is more likely that glance is not plugged-out | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | malini1 some people do use keystone... but certainly not everyone | 18:30 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: I agree, getting in with the devs is very important and having someone like bknudson who has a foot in both camps is incredibly valuable to a project like this | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | +1 | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | malini1 I'm happy to help with the book question, but I don't fully understand it | 18:31 |
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| bdpayne | malini1 given the time, could we take that discussion to the mailing list? | 18:31 |
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| malini1 | bdpayne -- no book question | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | ah ok! | 18:32 |
| bdpayne | so... any other discussion for today? | 18:32 |
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| nkinder | we're out of time, but still pushing the OSSN stackforge repo thing forward | 18:32 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: let me know how/if I can help with that | 18:33 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: will do | 18:34 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone | 18:34 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 18:34:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-02-20-18.00.html | 18:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-02-20-18.00.txt | 18:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-02-20-18.00.log.html | 18:34 |
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| bknudson | thanks | 18:34 |
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| nkinder | thanks | 18:36 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I think neutron core was added as reviewers on all of them | 22:06 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, consider me dumb, but on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52994/ where do we ever release those? | 22:06 |
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| dkranz | afazekas: ^^^^ | 22:07 |
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| sdague | dkranz: right, but realistically you actually need to find willing reviewers, not just spam them :) | 22:07 |
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| sdague | oh, the cidr one is now actually doing an active list. I'm ok with this now | 22:07 |
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| dkranz | sdague: This is actually a big problem. I brought this up before and the answer was "just add neutron-core" | 22:08 |
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| afazekas | sdague: I was wrong, I did not recreated the set in the class init, but yairs change is ok | 22:08 |
| dkranz | sdague: which of those folks should we ping, and how often, and for which reviews? | 22:08 |
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| sdague | we should ask markmcclain who would be good to get in on these | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on the neutron scenario bp? | 22:09 |
| sdague | dkranz: or, realistically, I'm fine with red hat folks approving them through | 22:09 |
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| dkranz | sdague: ok | 22:10 |
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| sdague | I just don't have any bw to personally review those patches | 22:10 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I understand. Reviewing neutron is a big commitment | 22:10 |
| jaypipes | sdague: sorry, I net split earlier. which patches? I can do reviews. | 22:10 |
| sdague | jaypipes: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/neutron-advanced-scenarios,n,z | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: the network scenario bp in the agenda | 22:10 |
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| sdague | the neutron advanced scenarios | 22:11 |
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| jaypipes | you got it. I'll review today and tomorrow morning. | 22:11 |
| sdague | jaypipes: thanks! | 22:11 |
| jaypipes | np | 22:11 |
| dkranz | jaypipes: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/neutron-advanced-scenarios,n,z | 22:11 |
| masayukig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/neutron-advanced-scenarios,n,z | 22:11 |
| dkranz | masayukig: :) | 22:11 |
| masayukig | :) | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | ok andreaf did you have anything to say about your multi-auth bp? | 22:11 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: re the multi-auth bp, there is a couple of patches maurosr submitted | 22:12 |
| andreaf | mtrenish: I depend on them to continue with the unit tests and switch to Credentials class | 22:12 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: also 73704 already has a +2 (manager refactor) | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, I'll try to take a look at the series later today | 22:13 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: thanks | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other bps that people wanted to mention before we move on to the next topic? | 22:14 |
| sdague | mtreinish: how would you characterize the unit tests? | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | slowly making progress we've started to get some basic coverage | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | but we're not quite as far along as I was expecting at this point | 22:15 |
| sdague | do we have coverage reporting on the job? | 22:15 |
| jaypipes | mtreinish: what module you want me to take? I can push another patch or two with unit tests. | 22:15 |
| sdague | that might be interesting and handy to map out where we stand | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I think I turned it on but I can't remember | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | I know I enabled it in tox and run_tests | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | sdague: either way I can check and make the config change if it's not enabled in infra | 22:16 |
| sdague | mtreinish: cool, that would be great | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: awesome anything listed on the bp is probably fair game | 22:17 |
| sdague | so I'm going through the other high blueprints | 22:17 |
| jaypipes | kk | 22:17 |
| sdague | negative-tests - dkranz where do you feel we stand on that? | 22:17 |
| dkranz | sdague: unit tests, or in general? | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: I think the only things in progress right now are one from me on image waiters and maurosr's on the auth stuff | 22:17 |
| sdague | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/negative-tests | 22:17 |
| sdague | it's your blueprint :) | 22:18 |
| jaypipes | mtreinish: k | 22:18 |
| sdague | or, I guess it's marc's | 22:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think the basic stuff is all there. What is needed now is to create more negative tests. | 22:18 |
| jaypipes | BTW, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69567/11 is already reviewed by me and salvatore. It's good to go, IMO. just needs core love. | 22:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: I was going to do some for different services to see if we missed anything | 22:18 |
| sdague | ok, are we getting to the point where we could start purging some of the manual negative tests? | 22:18 |
| sdague | which would make me super happy | 22:19 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 22:19 |
| dkranz | sdague: Definitely if we are willing to run a bunch more | 22:19 |
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| dkranz | sdague: One issue with auto-gen is there is less control over how many there are, or at least it is less obvious | 22:19 |
| dkranz | sdague: I hope to get some time for this tomorrow or next week | 22:19 |
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| sdague | dkranz: ok, lets see how it goes, because I'd really like to make some progress there before the cycle is out | 22:20 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Sure. Any one can make progress using the examples that are there now. | 22:20 |
| jaypipes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73973 has 2 +2Rs, but needs a +1A from a non-RH core. | 22:20 |
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| dkranz | sdague: The "core" work for this is done unless we find new api issues that need some more support. | 22:21 |
| dkranz | sdague: At summit I would like to discuss how we can make a real schema part of the service apis | 22:21 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, can you carve off some directions on how people could jump in and grind through? | 22:21 |
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| sdague | because I bet a bunch of folks would do that as low-hanging-fruit | 22:22 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, I'll send something to the list | 22:22 |
| sdague | last item on bp I think we should figure out where we stand is heat - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-heat-integration | 22:22 |
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| sdague | dkranz: that looks like a real pass | 22:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: ++ | 22:37 |
| sdague | approx right number of tests | 22:37 |
| afazekas | sdague: ++ | 22:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: I had no idea we were there | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah, ok I'll add that the set of config changes I have in progress | 22:37 |
| sdague | mtreinish: cool | 22:37 |
| sdague | I can see about baby sitting them through review tomorrow, make me a reviewer on all of them, and I'll bug infra folks | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok | 22:37 |
| sdague | that's probably the best news all week :) | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | I'm just wondering how we got there :) | 22:38 |
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| sdague | well lots of folks were working on things | 22:38 |
| sdague | when in doubt assume salv-orlando fixed the world | 22:38 |
| dkranz | That is with parallel and tenant isolation too | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: just tenant isolation | 22:39 |
| sdague | mtreinish: so that should be the parallel job | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: no you're right | 22:39 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: It is not running pretty_tox_serial | 22:39 |
| sdague | oh wait, that's parallel passing? | 22:40 |
| dkranz | sdague: Looks like it | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah http://logs.openstack.org/49/63449/16/experimental/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full/d79c078/console.html#_2014-02-16_11_27_49_459 | 22:40 |
| sdague | yeh, it's interleaved | 22:40 |
| dkranz | sdague: but we are only at 2x, right | 22:40 |
| sdague | yes | 22:40 |
| sdague | well cpu / 2 | 22:40 |
| sdague | so 4x on rax nodes | 22:40 |
| sdague | 2x on hp nodes | 22:40 |
| dkranz | sdague: ah | 22:41 |
| sdague | ok, we can probably move on from this one | 22:41 |
| dkranz | Great news though | 22:41 |
| sdague | #action mtreinish to propose neutron full on check | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | ok well the topic is now Bugs | 22:41 |
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| sdague | non voting | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | sdague: everywhere or just on neutron and tempest? | 22:41 |
| sdague | yeh, but list is up to 151 again | 22:41 |
| sdague | mtreinish: everywhere | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok | 22:42 |
| sdague | if we are this close, put it everywhere | 22:42 |
| sdague | then we'll build a good er backlog to deal with races | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok sounds good | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | sdague: so we're back up to 151 bugs | 22:42 |
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| mtreinish | I know that I haven't given the bug list enough attention lately | 22:42 |
| sdague | yeh, me either, there is a bunch of pruning to do again on it | 22:43 |
| sdague | from what I can see | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | yeah it looks like most of them are still listed as undecided | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | so maybe another bug day in the future | 22:44 |
| sdague | yeh, agreed | 22:45 |
| boris-42_ | hi all one more time, is somebody interested in progress of integration of rally & tempest? | 22:45 |
| * boris-42_ sorry for off top | 22:45 | |
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| sdague | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:48 |
| sdague | as I don't know if we lost mtreinish or not | 22:48 |
| jaypipes | these net splits are getting increasingly annoying. | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | sorry I'm still here | 22:48 |
| sdague | agreed | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | so does anyone have any reviews they would like to bring up? | 22:48 |
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| sdague | dkranz: were you going to do a TRACE log one, or should I redo mine? | 22:48 |
| sdague | the one I had up was a random morning thing before we talked about adding TRACE log dumps | 22:48 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I can do it | 22:49 |
| sdague | dkranz: cool, I'll abandon mine | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | ok I guess no one has any reviews to bring up today | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | so let's move on | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | #topic Service dependency decorators in tests (andreaf) | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | afrittoli: so this is yours | 22:50 |
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| afrittoli | mtreinish: follow up from the discussion in the mailing list | 22:50 |
| afrittoli | mtreinish: I know it's not the highest prio - but it's probably also little effort to add and review them | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | afrittoli: yeah anyone is free to add the tags and the reviews should be easy | 22:51 |
| afrittoli | mtreinish: ok | 22:51 |
| boris-42_ | afrittoli is there any list? | 22:51 |
| boris-42_ | afrittoli to coordinate work | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: there was one in the bp | 22:51 |
| sdague | afrittoli: sure, and honestly with some of the 3rd party ci systems, it's probably a good time to do it | 22:52 |
| boris-42_ | I will try to help with this part | 22:52 |
| sdague | I know citrix was hitting volume fails, so it would be helpful to them to just be able to turn that off | 22:52 |
| afrittoli | boris-42_: all the API tests needs checking | 22:52 |
| boris-42_ | afrittoli yep | 22:52 |
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| sdague | afrittoli: while you are going through the tests and annotating can you also delete the gate tags? | 22:52 |
| sdague | which are hold over crud | 22:52 |
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| afrittoli | sdague: ok | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | afrittoli: honestly I don't know how many are left though because it's only for when the service is called and it's not in the path | 22:53 |
| sdague | which we've never gotten around to purging | 22:53 |
| afrittoli | mtreinish: possibly not too many indeed, but for instance volume tests for attach detach | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | afrittoli: yeah but aren't those in a path that includes volume? | 22:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: Since the api tests are already segregated by directory, do we really need to tag all of them? | 22:54 |
| afrittoli | mtreinish: possibly let me check (offline) | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: no it's only for places that touch services that aren't in the path | 22:54 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, that's not very many | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: the biggest thing was for the scenarios | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | which it's required for (there's a hacking rule | 22:55 |
| afrittoli | dkranz, mtreinish: yep probably it's not many but then we can close the topic :) and I'll do the gate tag cleanup as well | 22:55 |
| cyeoh | probably increasingly common with say the V3 compute api tests too because we're not proxying anymore | 22:55 |
| dkranz | afrittoli: You mean get rid of it? | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | cyeoh: oh yeah that's a good point | 22:55 |
| afrittoli | dkranz: yep | 22:56 |
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| dkranz | And once neutron full is in the gate, we can make 'smoke' actually mean something useful. | 22:56 |
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| mtreinish | ok I think we can move on to open discussion now | 22:57 |
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| boris-42_ | oh can i?) | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | so in the last ~3min are there any topics people would like to bring up | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: sure | 22:57 |
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| boris-42_ | Yep Rally & Tempest integration | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | but time is short... | 22:57 |
| boris-42_ | stuff | 22:57 |
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| boris-42_ | so we already merged first patch | 22:58 |
| boris-42_ | that allows to run | 22:58 |
| boris-42_ | rally verify <deployment> | 22:58 |
| boris-42_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74076/ | 22:58 |
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| boris-42_ | now we are working around rally verify <deployment> --set=nova/any_other_project | 22:58 |
| boris-42_ | stuff | 22:58 |
| boris-42_ | So it seems like already work | 22:59 |
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| boris-42_ | so now we will have 2 directions | 22:59 |
| boris-42_ | 1) Using stress stuff inside rally | 22:59 |
| boris-42_ | tempest stress stuff | 22:59 |
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| boris-42_ | so we will be able to use as well any tempest test as a benchmark | 22:59 |
| boris-42_ | but with measuring all times / graphics / storing results to db | 22:59 |
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| boris-42_ | and so on on | 22:59 |
| dkranz | boris-42_: sounds great | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: ok cool | 23:00 |
| boris-42_ | and another one is storing in DB results of tempest | 23:00 |
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| mtreinish | so we're out of time now | 23:00 |
| boris-42_ | oh we can continue in QA chat=0 | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| dkranz | boris-42_: Let's more to qa channel | 23:00 |
| boris-42_ | if somebody is interesteed | 23:00 |
| dkranz | \move | 23:00 |
| afrittoli | bye | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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