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| enikanorov | hi | 13:57 |
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| enikanorov | neutron lbaas subteam meeting in 2 minutes | 13:58 |
| iwamoto | hi | 13:59 |
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| enikanorov | #startmeeting neutron-lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 14 14:00:30 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| obondarev | hi | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron-lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
| enikanorov | hi, who;s around? | 14:00 |
| obondarev | o/ | 14:01 |
| iwamoto | me too | 14:01 |
| ilyashakhat | enikanorov: what's the agenda? | 14:02 |
| enikanorov | ok, not too many of us | 14:02 |
| enikanorov | the agenda for the meeting is | 14:02 |
| enikanorov | 1. BPs to be proposed for I-1 | 14:02 |
| enikanorov | 2. QA and 3rd party testing | 14:02 |
| enikanorov | 3. Dev resources evaluation | 14:03 |
| enikanorov | 4. Additiona lbaasl features to consider in Icehouse | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov | #topic Blueprints to be proposed for Icehouse-1 | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov | we've got big plans for Icehouse in terms of features | 14:04 |
| enikanorov | even more in terms of blueprints | 14:04 |
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| enikanorov | and even more in terms of expected patchsets | 14:04 |
| enikanorov | however currently we experience problems with neutron gating | 14:05 |
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| enikanorov | lots of patches baing stuck | 14:05 |
| obondarev | is there anything already proposed for I1? | 14:05 |
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| obondarev | I mean blueprints | 14:05 |
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| avishayb | hi - i just joined | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | yeah, from my side it would be: | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-service-instance | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-extensions | 14:06 |
| obondarev | do you plan this for I1? | 14:06 |
| obondarev | ore for I2 maybe? | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | I plan that implementation will be ready in I-1 | 14:07 |
| avishayb | from radware side: SSL + L7 | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | however since we only have 3 weeks left in I-1 | 14:07 |
| obondarev | yeah | 14:07 |
| iwamoto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-support-routed-service-insertion | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | i doubt that everything will land | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | regarding SSL and L7 | 14:07 |
| avishayb | lots on the plate .. :-) | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | these are two different features | 14:08 |
| obondarev | avishayb: can you provide links? | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | so their bp are separate | 14:08 |
| avishayb | let me try and do that.. sam created the BP's - i will find it | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | i think those are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-neutron-lbaas | 14:09 |
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| obondarev | from my side I have registered l7 rules for haproxy | 14:09 |
| enikanorov | so while I'd encourage you to work on SSL or L7, both features have dependency on some others | 14:09 |
| Vijay_ | Hi Avishay, Eugene; Vijay from Citrix. We would also be able to contribute to SSL + L7 | 14:09 |
| obondarev | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-l7-rules-haproxy | 14:09 |
| obondarev | it depends on generic L7 rules blueprint | 14:10 |
| enikanorov | ok, let me explain the dependencies | 14:10 |
| Vijay_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-ssl-termination | 14:10 |
| avishayb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-l7-rules | 14:10 |
| Vijay_ | is the SSL termination blue print | 14:10 |
| enikanorov | L7 feature depends on multiple pools per vip, which has to be implemented first | 14:10 |
| obondarev | yeah | 14:11 |
| Vijay_ | yeah | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | so in order to go in parallel, we may start with API changes | 14:11 |
| obondarev | it wasn't listed by the way | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | which one? | 14:11 |
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| obondarev | multiple vips per pool | 14:11 |
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| obondarev | I mean the link | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | i will not propose it for I-1 | 14:12 |
| obondarev | oh, ok | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | it's more complex than service instance | 14:12 |
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| enikanorov | and it's design is not yet agreed on | 14:12 |
| obondarev | yeah, but with many dependencies - isn't it better to implement it first of all? | 14:12 |
| ilyashakhat | but service instance will also require lots of changes from db to client | 14:13 |
| ilyashakhat | isn't it? | 14:13 |
| Vijay_ | The basis for all this is the loadbalancer container object implementation, right? | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | multiple pools/vips depend on 'loadbalancer instance' that's why it goes first | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | Vijay_: correct | 14:13 |
| obondarev | oh, got it, right | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | So, again, we could propose everything for I-1 | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | but realistically, it's only 3 weeks left | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | and we have all those gating problems | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | and hundreds of patches on review | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | so it's better for us to work on code without pushing core team too much | 14:14 |
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| ilyashakhat | enikanorov: let's start with loadbalancing instance, l7 staff depends on it | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | but ahving our code ready and covered by tests | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | *having | 14:14 |
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| enikanorov | also, important note: | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | #action everyone proposing BP for the sprint needs to have wiki page with design description | 14:15 |
| Vijay_ | ok | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | Vijay_: avishayb: please keep in touch with each other and colalborate on ssl feature | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | ssl will depend on extension framework, but it's minor dependency, i'd say | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | any questions/announcements on Icehouse-1 plans? | 14:17 |
| avishayb | OK | 14:17 |
| Vijay_ | sure we will co-ordinate between ourselves. | 14:17 |
| Vijay_ | Citrix's NetScaler , Driver can be sent for review next week. | 14:18 |
| iwamoto | l7 could be implemented without service instances ithink | 14:18 |
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| s3wong | Is there any particular areas/implementations of these bps that need help on? | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | I'll appreciate if you also will keep us in the loop :) | 14:18 |
| iwamoto | just to make later changes easier? | 14:18 |
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| enikanorov | s3wong: that will be the next topic :) | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | iwamoto: l7 depends on multiple pools per vip which depends on serviec instance | 14:19 |
| s3wong | enikanorov: Cool :-) | 14:19 |
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| enikanorov | #topic QA & third-party testing | 14:19 |
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| avishayb | question: whay ssl has dependency on extension framework? I thought this it is not related to extension. | 14:19 |
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| avishayb | *why | 14:19 |
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| enikanorov | avishayb: that's the decision from the design session | 14:19 |
| enikanorov | so, going back to QA | 14:20 |
| avishayb | ok.. I wans not aware. | 14:20 |
| enikanorov | obondarev started to work on adding scenario tests to tempest for lbaas | 14:20 |
| enikanorov | obondarev: do you want do update us with your progress? | 14:20 |
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| obondarev | well, work in progress:) | 14:20 |
| obondarev | want to implement basic lbaas workflow | 14:21 |
| enikanorov | good to know :) | 14:21 |
| obondarev | and validate loadbalancing is happening actually | 14:21 |
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| obondarev | IOW automate this test: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/HowToRun#Validation | 14:21 |
| enikanorov | ok, cool | 14:21 |
| enikanorov | avishayb: do you guys start working on setting up smoke test system in your environment? | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 14:22 |
| avishayb | no - not yet | 14:22 |
| s3wong | obondarev: there is a periodic task pulling stats, right? Should that be exposed to verify LBaaS instance is working and doing something? | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | it's expected at I-2, which is actually just 2 months away | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | obondarev: btw, don't forget that test should not be haproxy-specific | 14:23 |
| sgran | sorry I'm a bit late, I'm running between rooms at a conference. I'd have a few things on my mind if there is time. I see there is already a pretty full agenda, so please get to me last :) | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | since we are going to run the same tests for all vendors | 14:23 |
| obondarev | s3wong: not sure | 14:23 |
| obondarev | enikanorov: yeah | 14:24 |
| enikanorov | sgran: i guess we will have time for the open discussion | 14:24 |
| sgran | great, thanks | 14:24 |
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| Vijay_ | obondarev: will the tests check the data path by sending traffic to the the VIP ? | 14:25 |
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| enikanorov | it should | 14:26 |
| obondarev | Vijay_:yes, as it described on the wiki | 14:26 |
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| enikanorov | ok, i suggest we count our heads and see who's doing what | 14:26 |
| enikanorov | #topic dev resources evaluation | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov | i'll start with myself | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov | as i said, i'm going to work on service instance and extension framework | 14:27 |
| enikanorov | obondarev: ? | 14:27 |
| obondarev | I need to wait untill can start working on lbaas-l7-rules, now working on the tests | 14:28 |
| obondarev | can help with any bp for I1 | 14:28 |
| enikanorov | ok, good to know | 14:28 |
| enikanorov | avishayb: ? | 14:28 |
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| Vijay_ | eugene, just for my own clarity; service instance is the loadbalancer container/wrapper instance right? | 14:28 |
| enikanorov | Vijay_: correct | 14:28 |
| avishayb | we are two people working on the SSL and L7 blueprints | 14:29 |
| s3wong | I can help with any bp for l1 as well | 14:29 |
| enikanorov | avishayb: who is the other one? | 14:29 |
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| avishayb | Evgeny Fedoruk | 14:30 |
| enikanorov | i see, good | 14:30 |
| Vijay_ | from my side, i will work with avishayb to cleanup the blueprint on SSL & L7 BluePrints and design doc | 14:30 |
| enikanorov | Vijay_: cool | 14:30 |
| enikanorov | s3wong: sgran: you guys? | 14:30 |
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| sgran | hi | 14:31 |
| sgran | I'm writing a plugin for the neutron LBaaS, to manage stingray loadbalancer | 14:31 |
| enikanorov | s3wong: I'll see if I could share something to help me with | 14:31 |
| s3wong | enikanorov: please let me know where I can lend my hand | 14:31 |
| enikanorov | sgran: i guessed that! :) | 14:31 |
| sgran | http://www.riverbed.com/products-solutions/products/application-delivery-stingray/Stingray-Traffic-Manager.html | 14:32 |
| sgran | :) | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | so then one of the tasks will be to keep your code in sync | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | with the master | 14:32 |
| sgran | I'm watching https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40381/ with interest, so that I know what to sync | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | good | 14:32 |
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| sgran | my concern at the moment (I left a note at the bottom of that review) is that the in-memory cache in the agent_manager looks to me like it will make it difficult to have multiple agents for HA | 14:33 |
| enikanorov | sgran: you are also required to setup test environment for your driver, you know | 14:33 |
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| enikanorov | sgran: yeah, let's discuss it at the end of the meeting | 14:33 |
| sgran | you mean make a test environment available? | 14:33 |
| obondarev | sgran: yeah, working on that comment.. | 14:33 |
| sgran | I have a test environment at work that I'm using to test my code | 14:33 |
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| enikanorov | sgran: right, implement http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 14:33 |
| enikanorov | should be fairly simple if you pass your company's security hounds :) | 14:34 |
| sgran | I doubt that that will be possible, but I have contacts at riverbed. I'll see what they can do for us | 14:34 |
| sgran | I don't actually work for riverbed, so this would mean my company would be paying licensing costs to bring one up to run gate tests on | 14:35 |
| sgran | I don't think they'll like that :) | 14:35 |
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| enikanorov | i see | 14:36 |
| sgran | but yeah, looks straight forward enough | 14:36 |
| sgran | maybe I can do it with a dev licensed model | 14:36 |
| sgran | I'll ask riverbed, and ask what we can do | 14:36 |
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| enikanorov | isn't riverbed insterested in adding support for their solution to neutron? | 14:37 |
| sgran | they are, yeah, but they seem to be moving slowly, which is why I'm ending up writing it :) | 14:37 |
| enikanorov | i see | 14:37 |
| sgran | as I say, I'll talk to them. They have some people at this conference, so I may be able to get a fast answer | 14:38 |
| enikanorov | ok, i think we can move to the next topic | 14:38 |
| enikanorov | #topic Additional features requested by users. | 14:38 |
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| enikanorov | those are the features that we missed in the design session and in our vendor discussions | 14:38 |
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| enikanorov | but folks raised them at the lbaas presentation | 14:39 |
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| enikanorov | one is to add HA for at least HAProxy provider | 14:39 |
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| enikanorov | that is one of the most expected feature | 14:39 |
| obondarev | can you please clarify? | 14:39 |
| enikanorov | high availability | 14:40 |
| obondarev | yeah) | 14:40 |
| sgran | haproxy driver is a SPoF - you lose the host, you lose the LB | 14:40 |
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| enikanorov | users want haproxy to be highly available, which means that you have more then one balanecer | 14:40 |
| obondarev | currently we can run multiple agents | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | if one fails another one picks up the traffic | 14:40 |
| sgran | but each vip/lb/pool is only on one host | 14:40 |
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| sgran | this touches on my concern about the in-memory cache in the agent_manager | 14:41 |
| obondarev | sgran: right | 14:41 |
| s3wong | enikanorov: Is that just having the ability to bind frontend VIP to two haproxy instances? or do people expect things like sticky entries to be in sync between the two haproxy instances? | 14:41 |
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| enikanorov | sgran: there are secveral approaches to this | 14:41 |
| enikanorov | since currently HAProxy VIP is on tenant network | 14:41 |
| enikanorov | HA could be done with switching Floating IP from failed haproxy VIP to active one | 14:41 |
| enikanorov | but that's kinda external monitoring | 14:41 |
| enikanorov | I'd like to see generic HA design for lbaas | 14:42 |
| sgran | you don't want to use a floating IP, do you? You'd want another adress on the same port | 14:42 |
| enikanorov | that could be implemented withing the service | 14:42 |
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| enikanorov | sgran: i'm not saying that | 14:42 |
| enikanorov | i'm saying that solution for HAProxy will be HAProxy-specific | 14:42 |
| enikanorov | and it looks like a 'foreign' system to neutron (at first glance) | 14:43 |
| enikanorov | anyway | 14:43 |
| sgran | enikanorov: so I think that there are two parts here: whether there are any design decisions that make it hard to have HA LBaaS agents | 14:43 |
| sgran | and then how to make the implementation itself HA | 14:43 |
| enikanorov | if someone is willing to design and implement this feature - you're welcome! | 14:43 |
| s3wong | enikanorov: agree, the LBaaS HA framework should allow driver to specify how they want to sync dynamic states | 14:43 |
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| obondarev | o/ | 14:44 |
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| enikanorov | sgran: i think it's more about HA balancers than agents | 14:44 |
| obondarev | want to work on this | 14:44 |
| enikanorov | because we already may have several lbaas agents | 14:44 |
| enikanorov | and if some agent fail, neutron-server is notified about it | 14:44 |
| sgran | not really | 14:44 |
| sgran | we can have multiple agents managing different sets of LB/pool/VIP | 14:44 |
| sgran | not managing the same set | 14:44 |
| s3wong | enikanorov: what is the monitoring framework to detect LBaaS instance failure? | 14:45 |
| enikanorov | sgran: correct | 14:45 |
| obondarev | can think of HA for agents in terms of handling one lbaas instance by multiple agents | 14:45 |
| enikanorov | s3wong: there is none | 14:45 |
| obondarev | as a first step at least | 14:45 |
| * sgran nods obondarev | 14:45 | |
| sgran | that is exactly what I'm thinking of | 14:45 |
| enikanorov | ok, it seems that HA agents is a separate topic | 14:45 |
| sgran | the implementation I'm working on configures the appliance via a rest api | 14:45 |
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| sgran | so in theory, any agent could pick up the update and configure the appliance | 14:46 |
| sgran | it doesn't need a cache of running processes or anything | 14:46 |
| obondarev | sgran: yeah, that what your comment was all about) | 14:46 |
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| enikanorov | sgran: right, for such case it's a bit easier | 14:47 |
| enikanorov | but still, HA is for balancers themselves, agents is different topic | 14:47 |
| sgran | that's it exactly - I'm trying to make sure that we don't accidentally design the higher level classes in such a way that it makes the implementation classess harder | 14:47 |
| enikanorov | IMO | 14:47 |
| sgran | fair enough, splitting the topic makes sense | 14:47 |
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| obondarev | agree | 14:48 |
| enikanorov | ok, so would be good if someone could pick this up. | 14:48 |
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| enikanorov | this is really expected | 14:48 |
| obondarev | I'm ready | 14:49 |
| s3wong | I can help here also | 14:49 |
| enikanorov | ok, good | 14:49 |
| obondarev | I'll register a bp for this | 14:49 |
| sgran | I am happy to be part of it. I've started an etherpad with a braindump | 14:49 |
| sgran | great, thanks | 14:49 |
| enikanorov | cool | 14:49 |
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| enikanorov | any other items? | 14:49 |
| enikanorov | #topic Open discussion | 14:50 |
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| iwamoto | is anyone planning router type loadbalancers (i.e. LVS-like)? | 14:52 |
| iwamoto | I wonder if I'm alone | 14:52 |
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| enikanorov | it's up to vendors | 14:53 |
| Vijay_ | Are there enhancements planned on the Horizon side for LBaaS? Currently it restricts to configure VIPs only in Pool Networks. | 14:53 |
| enikanorov | i think driver framework and extension framework should allow you to do any wiring you want | 14:53 |
| enikanorov | Vijay_: it could be filed as a bug, because it's really should not be so | 14:53 |
| sgran | there's no such restriction in neutron, so yeah, that's a horizon bug | 14:54 |
| enikanorov | that was implementation hardcoded to available provider (at grizzly point) | 14:54 |
| enikanorov | now it should be changed | 14:54 |
| sgran | time for me to run to another room | 14:55 |
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| sgran | obondarev: if you can leave a note with your thoughts on that change, I'm happy to help | 14:55 |
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| obondarev | enikanorov: can add an action iten on it | 14:55 |
| sgran | thanks for your time, everyone | 14:55 |
| Vijay_ | can the same driver be loaded as two providers? | 14:55 |
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| enikanorov | #action file a bug for horizon project to change restriction for the VIP subnet | 14:56 |
| sgran | for differnt load balancers? Yes | 14:56 |
| Vijay_ | sure | 14:56 |
| enikanorov | Vijay_: not at this point | 14:56 |
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| enikanorov | Vijay_: why are you asking? | 14:56 |
| Vijay_ | we have management layer between which sends the calls to the ultimate device. | 14:57 |
| Vijay_ | would like to ideally give choices to user | 14:57 |
| Vijay_ | to pick providers | 14:57 |
| enikanorov | how those providers differ one from another? | 14:57 |
| Vijay_ | and accordingly configure the VIP/Pools in a device which is according to the provider selection | 14:57 |
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| Vijay_ | currently we are subclassing the plugin driver and created 2 drivers. | 14:58 |
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| Vijay_ | because provider and driver are one to one mapping | 14:59 |
| enikanorov | yeah, so what will be the difference between providers utilizing the same driver? | 14:59 |
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| enikanorov | we have 1 minute left | 14:59 |
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| enikanorov | we can continue on #neutron-lbaas | 14:59 |
| Vijay_ | ok | 15:00 |
| enikanorov | let's go there | 15:00 |
| enikanorov | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 14 15:00:06 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2013/neutron_lbaas.2013-11-14-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2013/neutron_lbaas.2013-11-14-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2013/neutron_lbaas.2013-11-14-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 14 15:00:30 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| lsmola_ | hello | 15:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:00 |
| nsaje | o/ | 15:00 |
| nadya_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| zhikunliu | o/ | 15:01 |
| jd__ | hi everybody | 15:01 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| thomasem | o/ | 15:01 |
| jun | o/ | 15:01 |
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| jd__ | #topic Pick our official name | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55877 | 15:02 |
| llu-laptop | Is it approved? | 15:02 |
| jd__ | so there's a little issue around what should be Ceilometer official name | 15:02 |
| eglynn | the plural form of Measurements seems odd to my ears | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | I agree with eglynn | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | Measurement itself sounds odd to my ears | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | networking vs. networks | 15:03 |
| terriyu | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglynn | Orchestration versus Orchestrations ;) | 15:03 |
| jd__ | I was happy with Metering, but as a non-native speaker… | 15:03 |
| jd__ | 15:03 | |
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| dhellmann | I think the idea was that metering doesn't cover the new monitoring and alarming stuff, right? | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | the problem with Metering was that it didn't fully reflect the expanded mandate right? | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | although I could go with metering myself | 15:04 |
| eglynn | yep | 15:04 |
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| thomasem | What about just Monitoring? | 15:04 |
| jd__ | Measurement would cover alarming? | 15:04 |
| eglynn | again doesn't cover the full range of the project | 15:04 |
| ildikov | Is Ceilometer a monitoring tool, or will it be ever? | 15:04 |
| eglynn | (Monitoring that is ...) | 15:04 |
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| dhellmann | we do enough monitoring for alarms | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | and that involves collecting more and different data than metering | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | yep, so measurement (of resource usage and performance) covers both bases | 15:05 |
| thomasem | Monitoring - we monitor usage, we monitor watermarks for alarming, we will soon have events to monitor arbitrary things defined by the deployers. I don't see how monitoring misses anything? | 15:05 |
| ildikov | Until we just trying to use aeras for names we will face with the same "not covering all" problem | 15:05 |
| jd__ | what about "OpenStack: The Missing Piece"? :) | 15:05 |
| ildikov | :) | 15:06 |
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| sileht | :) | 15:06 |
| llu-laptop | :-) | 15:06 |
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| terriyu | "Project X" ? | 15:06 |
| jd__ | haha | 15:06 |
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| jd__ | shall we vote on Measurement then? | 15:06 |
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| sandywalsh | measurements doesn't cover events | 15:06 |
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| terriyu | I dunno, as a native English speaker, measurement doesn't sound that different from metering | 15:07 |
| sandywalsh | collection? | 15:07 |
| jd__ | OpenStack Slurp? | 15:07 |
| nadya_ | we have processing too | 15:07 |
| jd__ | "monitoring" may cover events? | 15:08 |
| ildikov | Maybe an abstract name would be better | 15:08 |
| jd__ | ildikov: right, like "Ceilometer" for example? :) | 15:08 |
| eglynn | like "ceilometer" ;) | 15:08 |
| eglynn | snap :) | 15:08 |
| ildikov | exactly ;) | 15:08 |
| jun | i think the name ceilometer is ok | 15:08 |
| jd__ | "OpenStack Ceilometer, codenamed Ceilometer, a project that ceilometer your OpenStack cloud." | 15:08 |
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| jd__ | jun: that's not the point, we'll keep the code name | 15:09 |
| lsmola_ | +1 to Ceilometer | 15:09 |
| jd__ | we just need an official name | 15:09 |
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| lsmola_ | :-( | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we need to pick the name we'll use for trademark purposes | 15:09 |
| lsmola_ | then Openstack Slurp :-) | 15:09 |
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| dhellmann | what about "metrics"? | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | so given that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55375/ has landed already, the scope for change is fairly narrow, or? | 15:10 |
| apmelton | what about Analytics? | 15:10 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: no, we can "bug fix" the resolution | 15:10 |
| gordc | eglynn: was going to ask the same question. | 15:10 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: cool | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | apmelton: we *do not* do analytics | 15:10 |
| nadya_ | I like 'monitoring' :) I think if Ceilometer becomes real 'monitoring' tool it will be great | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | that was specifically restricted from our charter | 15:11 |
| eglynn | we more enable the doing of analytics by someone else | 15:11 |
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| dhellmann | right | 15:11 |
| jd__ | OpenStack Enabler then? | 15:11 |
| sandywalsh | Data Collection | 15:11 |
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| gordc | i'm ok with Measurements but i agree with sandywalsh, it doesn't really cover events well. | 15:11 |
| jd__ | Auditing? | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | Diagnostics? | 15:11 |
| eglynn | Telemetry? | 15:12 |
| jd__ | telemetry's nice | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | I sort of like telemetry | 15:12 |
| ildikov | Telemetry sounds good :) | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | cool :) | 15:12 |
| thomasem | A bit esoteric | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | very rocket-sciencey | 15:12 |
| jd__ | thomasem: like us | 15:12 |
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| nsaje | telemetry o/ | 15:12 |
| jd__ | and it makes me think of teletubbies | 15:13 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:13 |
| apmelton | +1 telemtry | 15:13 |
| sileht | Telemetry sounds good | 15:13 |
| eglynn | what's not to like about teletubbies? ;) | 15:13 |
| sandywalsh | +1 Telemetry | 15:13 |
| terriyu | I'm with thomasem , feel like "telemetry" is unnecessarily esoteric | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | as long as we get teletubbies on our new logo, I'm good with it | 15:13 |
| thomasem | No! | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | esoteric? | 15:14 |
| thomasem | Teletubbies are the most frightening thing on this planet... | 15:14 |
| jd__ | #startvote Should Ceilometer pick "OpenStack Telemetry" as it's official project name? Yes, No, Abstain | 15:14 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should Ceilometer pick "OpenStack Telemetry" as it's official project name? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 15:14 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:14 |
| sandywalsh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemetry | 15:14 |
| jd__ | let's vote on this :) | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | #vote Yes | 15:14 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn, lol | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | point of order: should we vote on one name, or vote on the selections? | 15:14 |
| sandywalsh | yes | 15:14 |
| sandywalsh | #vote yes | 15:14 |
| sileht | #vote yes | 15:14 |
| apmelton | #vote yes | 15:14 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I think it'll be simpler to vote on a name, otherwise we're going Condorcet :) | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 15:15 |
| nsaje | #vote yes | 15:15 |
| thomasem | #vote no | 15:15 |
| yassine | #vote yes | 15:15 |
| ildikov | #vote yes | 15:15 |
| nadya_ | #vote no | 15:15 |
| terriyu | #vote no | 15:15 |
| lsmola_ | #vote yes | 15:15 |
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| llu-laptop | #vote yes | 15:15 |
| jd__ | #vote yes | 15:15 |
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| thomasem | Fair enough. =] | 15:15 |
| jun | #vote yes | 15:15 |
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| jd__ | vote ending in a few seconds | 15:16 |
| jd__ | tic-tac-tic-tac | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | #endvote | 15:16 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should Ceilometer pick "OpenStack Telemetry" as it's official project name?" Results are | 15:16 |
| openstack | Yes (12): ildikov, apmelton, sileht, sandywalsh, jd__, eglynn, jun, llu-laptop, yassine, dhellmann, lsmola_, nsaje | 15:16 |
| openstack | No (3): nadya_, thomasem, terriyu | 15:16 |
| jun | looook like we are going to have this Telemetry | 15:16 |
| jun | haha | 15:16 |
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| dhellmann | is this binding, or is this just polling the room so to speak? do we have anyone else who should be allowed to chime in? nijaba? | 15:17 |
| sandywalsh | well done eglynn | 15:17 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: I don't think we have any written procedure for that, so… | 15:17 |
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| dhellmann | this feels like a big enough decision that we shouldn't make it just based on who can attend this meeting | 15:17 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: shall we ask the TC for a procedure? :) | 15:18 |
| terriyu | dhellmann: +1 | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | it's good to see that there's a certain amount of consensus | 15:18 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: well this meeting probably good enough to propose a patch on gerrit | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: that sounds like a good next step | 15:18 |
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| dhellmann | and a mailing list thread | 15:18 |
| eglynn | (then nijaba can -2 the patch if he no likee ...) | 15:18 |
| jd__ | I think I'd go for a patch and add ceilometer-core as reviewer waiting for everyone to +1 | 15:18 |
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| jd__ | I'm ok doing that if that fits for you dhellmann | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | anyone can propose a patch to openstack/governance? | 15:19 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I'd hope so :) | 15:20 |
| eglynn | (or just TC/board members) | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | yes | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | anyone | 15:20 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:20 |
| jd__ | #action jd__ propose a patch to governance for Telemetry and add ceilometer-core as reviewers | 15:20 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: link to it on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55877 | 15:20 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: ack | 15:20 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | no need that I'm aware of | 15:21 |
| jd__ | me neither | 15:21 |
| jd__ | #topic hardware agent and central agent | 15:21 |
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| jd__ | llu-laptop go ahaed | 15:22 |
| lsmola_ | is llu around? | 15:22 |
| llu-laptop|2 | just lost the internet connection. back just in time | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | he was | 15:22 |
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| llu-laptop|2 | i'm here now | 15:22 |
| lsmola_ | nice | 15:22 |
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| llu-laptop|2 | first question, should we get hardware agent merged into central agent first, because I think improving central agent might take some time? | 15:23 |
| lsmola_ | so we need to move the whole baremetal agent into the Ironic codebase? | 15:23 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop|2: I'd say enhance the central one so it supports hardware, yes | 15:24 |
| jd__ | lsmola_: no | 15:24 |
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| lsmola_ | llu-laptop|2, given the last conversation about the hardware agent, I understood Ironic guys wants to have it in ironic | 15:24 |
| eglynn | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-ceilometer-hardware-sensors | 15:24 |
| jd__ | the main need for hardware is the ability to provide resources in the pipeline and to make pollster protocol handle taht | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | "ceilometer agent running next to ironic conductor" | 15:24 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn, ok, that explains a lot | 15:25 |
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| jd__ | and there's not only Ironic, there's a more general approach too | 15:25 |
| jd__ | which is what llu is trying to cover here | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | ... "running next to" == "separate process, same host"? | 15:25 |
| llu-laptop|2 | jd__: ok. things of the 'enhancement' in my mind is 1) 'resources' entry 2) membership and task distribution 3)abstraction layer of pipeline definition loading | 15:26 |
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| lsmola_ | eglynn, well what I understood it should run with ironic, be scalable with ironic, etc. | 15:26 |
| llu-laptop|2 | do we agree that we need that part 3)? | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | what usecase would the abstarction layer enable? | 15:27 |
| eglynn | *abstraction | 15:27 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop|2: point 2) is not of your concern directly here, it concerns a larger part of Ceilometer so don't worry about it | 15:27 |
| llu-laptop|2 | That's Dan Dyer from HP proposed in the design summit. Maybe loading it from DB other than the file? | 15:27 |
| lsmola_ | llu-laptop|2, are you considering connectiong to tripleo ? | 15:28 |
| llu-laptop|2 | maybe a low priority of part 3? | 15:28 |
| eglynn | OK, nice-to-have, but I don't see a really compelling usecase for that | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop|2: yep, agreed | 15:28 |
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| lsmola_ | llu-laptop|2, if deployed via tripleo, you can obtain baremetals and their IPs from nova, and IMPI credentials from Ironic | 15:28 |
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| lsmola_ | llu-laptop|2, that is what we want to be configurable, so it automatically polls all resources available | 15:29 |
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| jd__ | lsmola_: that work will help in this regard anyway | 15:30 |
| jd__ | llu: anything else or are you clear enough? | 15:30 |
| llu-laptop|2 | lsmola_: yes using tripleO+Ironic seems good for ipmi data collection. But what about the situation of not having tripleO? | 15:30 |
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| lsmola_ | llu-laptop|2, for for SNMP, you will have to get the IPs from somewhere, defining them by hard will be painfull | 15:31 |
| jd__ | not everybody will use Ironic so we'll support that too | 15:31 |
| lsmola_ | llu-laptop|2, and you would also define the IPMI credentials by hard | 15:31 |
| jd__ | no point in arguing about that | 15:31 |
| llu-laptop|2 | I'm not an advocate of SNMP. it's just from the original author, toni | 15:31 |
| eglynn | lsmola_: "defining baremtals by hand" == "listing IPs in the pipeline.yaml" | 15:31 |
| eglynn | ? | 15:32 |
| lsmola_ | jd__, well as Tripleo will be official deployment program, and Ironic will become officila in Icehouse too, we should definitely support that, right? | 15:32 |
| jd__ | eglynn: and credentials if needed yeah | 15:32 |
| jd__ | lsmola_: yes, but not only | 15:32 |
| eglynn | k, that does seem like badness | 15:32 |
| eglynn | way too static to be useful IMO | 15:32 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn, yes basically | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: until OpenStack provides an inventory service, that may be a good solution for a lot of corner case | 15:33 |
| lsmola_ | jd__, yeah agree, it should be matter of configuration of agent | 15:33 |
| eglynn | so wouldn't we have to restart the agent everytime a new baremetal hosts appears? | 15:33 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn, yeah :-D | 15:34 |
| eglynn | (i.e. to force a re-read of the pipeline.yaml) | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | didn't the ironic guys say they wanted to be the only thing talking ipmi, since there are security risks with spreading those credentials around? | 15:34 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep, that rings a bell | 15:34 |
| llu-laptop|2 | sorry guys, I'm having internet jag here. maybe slow in response | 15:34 |
| lsmola_ | dhellmann, exactly | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | so maybe we just need to talk to the ironic service to get the data we want? | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | sorry, I'm catching up on this issue, so I apologize if I'm restating the obvious | 15:34 |
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| lsmola_ | dhellmann, well i am not sure about the connection, all I heard is that the Agnet will be part of Ironic (or running next to) so it can access ironic | 15:35 |
| eglynn | so I think the concern was not to limit to ironic only, or? | 15:35 |
| jd__ | no, the Ironic guy points is that *if* ironic is used, Ceilometer should ask Ironic, and not talk SNMP/IPMI directly and ask for the credentials Ironic knows | 15:35 |
| jd__ | but please, don't mix the "I use Ironic" and "I don't use Ironic" use-cases | 15:35 |
| lsmola_ | dhellmann, from what I know, originally Ironic should expose the data via API | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, well, talking to ironic seems like a good starting place at least | 15:36 |
| lsmola_ | dhellmann, but it's not the case anymore | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | oh, when did that change? | 15:36 |
| llu-laptop|2 | lsmola_: what's the case now? | 15:36 |
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| lsmola_ | dhellmann, apparently on the conference :-) | 15:36 |
| lsmola_ | well ndipanov told me that they don't want it, they rahter want to run an agent somewhere next to Ironic | 15:37 |
| lsmola_ | I am not sure what exact architecture it should be | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | are they expecting us to write that agent, or is it just something different from their current agent that they are going to write? | 15:37 |
| eglynn | lsmola_: run an agent next to the ironic conductor that depends on an API exposed by ironic, right? | 15:38 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I think so | 15:38 |
| lsmola_ | dhellmann, hmm not sure, I have to ask ndipanov again | 15:38 |
| jd__ | but really, this topic is not about Ironic | 15:38 |
| lsmola_ | dhellmann, because it seemed to me like the Ironic IPMI API idea died | 15:39 |
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| lsmola_ | jd__, ok so lets talk about what we want to support | 15:39 |
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| jd__ | can I say "no"? :) | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | lsmola_: we don't need an IPMI API, we need a monitoring API | 15:40 |
| lsmola_ | jd__, for me minimum seems, defining it by hard, + option to allow agent to get the IP's and IPMI credentials from Nova and Ironic | 15:40 |
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| lsmola_ | dhellmann, yeah I just named it badly | 15:40 |
| jd__ | lsmola_: agreed, but I don't think that was llu's questions initially | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | lsmola_: ok, just making sure we're clear :-) | 15:41 |
| eglynn | if relying on defining by hand, then in the least case we need some way of avoiding the agent restart on pipeline.yaml change | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | (e.g. detecting a change in the file timestamp and re-reading in that case) | 15:41 |
| jd__ | eglynn: we have a reload system via SIGHUP | 15:41 |
| llu-laptop|2 | do we want the restart or avoid the restart? | 15:42 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn, yeah that makes sense | 15:42 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop|2: avoid | 15:42 |
| llu-laptop|2 | SIGHUP I think is the restart system | 15:42 |
| eglynn | jd__: send a SIGHUP to the process and that forces a re-read? | 15:42 |
| jd__ | eglynn: IIRC yes | 15:42 |
| eglynn | jd__: k, I wasn't familiar with that | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: what if we put that info in a different file from the pipeline, and just read that file in the pollster(s) (with caching) | 15:43 |
| lsmola_ | jd__, also we will want to get list of switches and routers from Neutron later | 15:43 |
| jd__ | sure | 15:43 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep, that would be neater | 15:43 |
| jd__ | I'm restating that this is not the subjet of llu intervention here | 15:43 |
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| llu-laptop|2 | jd__: I think our current SIGHUP implementation is to automatically restart the service, so new pipeline definition applies | 15:44 |
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| jd__ | llu-laptop|2: don't have details in mind, that may be :) | 15:44 |
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| llu-laptop|2 | Fengqian did this in Havana cycle. I'll ping him to double check | 15:44 |
| llu-laptop|2 | tomorrow | 15:45 |
| jd__ | is there any more question than you need an answer llu or can I move on to the next topic? | 15:45 |
| llu-laptop|2 | please move on, thanks | 15:45 |
| jd__ | #topic integration tests discussion | 15:45 |
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| jd__ | nadya_: floor is yours | 15:45 |
| nadya_ | yep, thanks | 15:45 |
| nadya_ | so the first item is resolved. As I see all crd were restored and is being reviewed now | 15:46 |
| lsmola_ | llu-laptop|2, would be great if you could ping ndipanov and devananda | 15:46 |
| nadya_ | JFYI I will care about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55276 | 15:46 |
| lsmola_ | llu-laptop|2, to make sure if we are thinking about it correctly :-) | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | might be useful to do a show of hands as to who is interested in beefing up ceilo coverage in tempest? | 15:47 |
| eglynn | then maybe do a rough division of functional areas to concentrate on? | 15:47 |
| nadya_ | I guess we've covered all tempest crs | 15:47 |
| eglynn | (to avoid possible duplication) | 15:47 |
| jd__ | I think yassine is | 15:47 |
| eglynn | o/ ... I am also | 15:48 |
| yassine | o/ | 15:48 |
| nadya_ | me too o/ | 15:48 |
| zhikunliu | me too | 15:48 |
| litong | @eglynn, certainly, yes. | 15:48 |
| jd__ | using the blueprint whiteboard or todo list to state what people are working on could be a good idea | 15:48 |
| jd__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/add-basic-ceilometer-tests | 15:49 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep, good call | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | will one blueprint suffice? | 15:49 |
| eglynn | that one is skewed a bit towards the more basic functionality | 15:50 |
| jd__ | I've no opinion, but it's possible to create sub-blueprints with dependencies | 15:50 |
| eglynn | also doesn't tempest use its own client layer? (not sure that fits with "CLI basic functionalities") | 15:50 |
| nadya_ | agreed. So will we determine any period of time within which test plan should be completed? | 15:50 |
| eglynn | nadya_: let's aim for early next week | 15:51 |
| eglynn | say Monday? | 15:51 |
| nadya_ | ok | 15:51 |
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| nadya_ | should we write in email?? Or let's refuse amount of letters? :) | 15:52 |
| nadya_ | *reduce | 15:52 |
| eglynn | nadya_: an etherpad is probably better suited to getting multiple contributions lined up | 15:53 |
| zhikunliu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-test-plan | 15:53 |
| eglynn | (i.e. better than an email thread) | 15:53 |
| eglynn | zhikunliu: thanks! | 15:53 |
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| nadya_ | oh, I saw this doc, yes | 15:53 |
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| nadya_ | ok. So Monday is the day when we have test-plan for Ceilometer+Tempest | 15:54 |
| lsmola_ | have to run, see you all next week, we have angularjs beer meeting :-D | 15:54 |
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| zhikunliu | :) | 15:55 |
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| nadya_ | and one more question from me about devstack+ceilometer. Who is an expert in this area? We started to look into devstack issues | 15:55 |
| jun | :) | 15:55 |
| jd__ | I think sileht knows a lot | 15:55 |
| jd__ | though feel free to ask to everybody on #openstack-metering | 15:55 |
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| eglynn | nadya_: yep re. the test plan ... I'll start by setting out the areas that I intended to concentrate on, and also some general thoughts on the approach | 15:55 |
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| eglynn | the devstack+ceilometer issue is the sqlalchemy connection pooling thingy, right? | 15:56 |
| terriyu | nadya_: I complain a lot about devstack+ceilometer -- i.e. report bugs | 15:56 |
| sileht | nadya_, I have made the lists of the pendings review to have a working devstack in gate in the bp | 15:56 |
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| nadya_ | eglynn, sure. I'm planning to work on test-plan tomorrow too | 15:57 |
| eglynn | nadya_: cool | 15:57 |
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| nadya_ | terriyu, sileht, great, will keep in touch | 15:57 |
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| jd__ | PA: meeting is ending on a few minutes | 15:57 |
| nadya_ | I think we can move on to general discussions | 15:58 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:58 |
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| nadya_ | jd__, when bps from design sessions should be finished? | 15:59 |
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| jd__ | nadya_: as soon as possible, especially ones targetting icehouse-1 | 15:59 |
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| eglynn | let's try to get blueprints filed by next week's meeting if poss | 16:00 |
| eglynn | (while the summit is still fresh in the mind ...) | 16:00 |
| jd__ | good idea | 16:00 |
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| litong | I always wonder which db ceilometer wants to use as the first option. | 16:00 |
| eglynn | so icehouse-1 is due when, Dec 4th? | 16:00 |
| ildikov | Is there a schedule available for icehouse? | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | that's not final yet | 16:01 |
| litong | devstack config for ceilometer shifts from mongodb to mysql. | 16:01 |
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| ildikov | Thanks | 16:01 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yess | 16:01 |
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| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 16:01 |
| eglynn | cool, we get "Off" weeks this time :) | 16:02 |
| litong | anyone know why devstack setup for ceilometer uses mysql now vs using mongodb before? | 16:02 |
| jd__ | I'm closing the meeting as we already late, please follow up in #openstack-metering as needed | 16:02 |
| eglynn | litong: issue with mongodb 2.4 on precise | 16:02 |
| jd__ | litong: discussed during the summit btw | 16:02 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| eglynn | litong: (only available in the ubuntu cloud archive) | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 14 16:02:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-11-14-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-11-14-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-11-14-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| jd__ | thanks everybody! | 16:03 |
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| thomasem | cheerio! | 16:03 |
| eglynn | thanks all! | 16:03 |
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| terriyu | thanks everyone | 16:03 |
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| haypo | "Python3 Compatibility Team meeting: Bi-Weekly (every other week) meetings on Thursdays at 1600 UTC" does anyone know when is the next meeting and if there are logs of previous meetings? | 16:29 |
| haypo | i'm interested to work on Python3 :) | 16:30 |
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| sdague | who's arround | 17:00 |
| mkoderer | hey there | 17:00 |
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| sdague | dkranz you about? | 17:01 |
| dkranz | Here | 17:01 |
| mkoderer | he there I spoke to him | 17:01 |
| mkoderer | :) | 17:01 |
| sdague | cool, let's start the meeting | 17:01 |
| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 14 17:02:03 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:02 |
| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_November_14_2013 | 17:02 |
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| sdague | quick roll call of who's here via: o/ | 17:02 |
| sdague | (meetbot actually records that) | 17:02 |
| dkranz | o/ | 17:03 |
| mkoderer | o/ | 17:03 |
| sdague | afazekas: ? | 17:03 |
| sdague | I know mtreinish is popping around in .jp this week on vacation | 17:03 |
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| sdague | #topic Possible Meeting Time change to include .jp (sdague) | 17:03 |
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| sdague | ok, so this is something I know we talked a bit about at the summit | 17:04 |
| mkoderer | +1 for that | 17:04 |
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| mkoderer | I think we should ask giulivo | 17:04 |
| sdague | agreed | 17:04 |
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| sdague | just pinged him to jump in channel | 17:04 |
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| sdague | I expect the tz shift might have made people forgetful :) | 17:05 |
| dkranz | morning in us is the only time that works for us/europe/jp | 17:05 |
| sdague | hey giulivo | 17:05 |
| sdague | dkranz: well, the .jp folks said they could do 6am - 9pm their time | 17:05 |
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| mkoderer | so which timeframe are we talking about | 17:05 |
| mkoderer | ok | 17:05 |
| sdague | so what I was actually thinking might be best is to do the oscilating meeting | 17:06 |
| mkoderer | it's UTC+09:00 | 17:06 |
| sdague | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Metering_team_meeting | 17:06 |
| sdague | is how Ceilometer does it | 17:07 |
| sdague | so I was thinking maybe do those same time blocks that they use, but on the alternate weeks | 17:07 |
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| sdague | which would make every other week work for .jp | 17:07 |
| sdague | and not make the .eu people stay up super late all the time, just on some weeks (if they can make it) | 17:08 |
| sdague | and as long as we take votes to the ML, instead of in IRC, it would be inclusive | 17:08 |
| dkranz | So for us east that would be 10am and 4pm, plus one hour when DST? | 17:08 |
| mkoderer | I am fine with that | 17:08 |
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| sdague | dkranz: yes | 17:08 |
| sdague | giulivo: you have an opinion here? | 17:09 |
| dkranz | So the europe night owls could do both :) | 17:09 |
| sdague | yes, exactly | 17:09 |
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| sdague | it feels like it would be a more global friendly way of handling it, and let us bring on more folks from around the globa | 17:09 |
| sdague | globe | 17:09 |
| giulivo | well I'm a bit worried oscilating meetings | 17:09 |
| dkranz | sdague: Works for me | 17:10 |
| giulivo | could be forgiven | 17:10 |
| sdague | giulivo: ok, please share the concerns | 17:10 |
| dkranz | giulivo: I think oscilating is ok as long as it is easy to remember | 17:10 |
| sdague | that's why I brought it up for discussion | 17:10 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I presume the ceil thing means "date is odd" or "date is even" | 17:10 |
| giulivo | what would be an alternative timeframe anyway? | 17:10 |
| sdague | does everyone use google calendar? I could make sure that we have an updated calendar entry | 17:11 |
| sdague | dkranz: no it's on ISO-week % 2 | 17:11 |
| dkranz | sdague: urck | 17:11 |
| mkoderer | so if we take 6am jp time this will be 11pm euope time right? | 17:11 |
| sdague | mkoderer: yes | 17:11 |
| sdague | so the other alternative is to fix to that schedule I think | 17:11 |
| giulivo | auch, that probably won't work for jp anyway | 17:11 |
| sdague | because I really do want to be inclusion of the .jp team | 17:11 |
| sdague | giulivo: they said they could do 6am | 17:12 |
| sdague | but that's the earliest they could do | 17:12 |
| giulivo | I could manage to do it later actually | 17:12 |
| sdague | which we could do, but that will force the .eu folks to be up all the time. | 17:12 |
| dkranz | Understandable :) | 17:12 |
| mkoderer | I am for oscilating it | 17:12 |
| giulivo | afazekas, ? | 17:13 |
| sdague | giulivo: yeh, I pinged afazekas earlier, did get a response, not sure if he's on right now | 17:13 |
| sdague | if the concern is forgetting the meeting, is that addressable via a google cal + a reminder? | 17:14 |
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| sdague | ok, so because we're a little low on quorum, how about we agree to take to the list, to get other feedback from folks | 17:14 |
| mkoderer | giulivo: what is your concern with oscilating the meetings? | 17:14 |
| giulivo | sdague, well it's about organizing things around it to avoid conflict | 17:14 |
| giulivo | but it's three of you voting for oscilating so, np with that | 17:15 |
| mkoderer | sdague: yes let's take it to the ML and we vote there | 17:15 |
| sdague | giulivo: well, we should at least make sure either of those schedules do actually work for the .jp team :) so I'll take to the list anyway | 17:15 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sounds good. | 17:15 |
| sdague | #action sdague to take schedule change proposals to the list for -qa meeting | 17:15 |
| sdague | #topic Blueprints | 17:16 |
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| sdague | ok, first off, I haven't started digesting blueprints yet out of our sessions | 17:16 |
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| sdague | I was talking with russellb this morning, and this afternoon I'm going to work on a purge script to drop the old bp so we don't have untargetted crud in our tracker | 17:17 |
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| mkoderer | sdague: I already added the negative test bp | 17:17 |
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| sdague | mkoderer: awesome | 17:17 |
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| sdague | yeh, any help in creating blueprints out of the etherpads would be awesome | 17:18 |
| sdague | even for areas that you aren't the one directly working on | 17:18 |
| sdague | next week I'm largely out of commission, so I won't be able to do it until the week after | 17:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: Is this the slot to discuss how we coordinate new scenario tests? | 17:18 |
| sdague | dkranz: just about | 17:18 |
| sdague | or... actually mkoderer put the negative testing one in here | 17:19 |
| sdague | mkoderer: was there something specific on that? | 17:19 |
| dkranz | sdague: Just an update I think | 17:19 |
| mkoderer | sdague: yep just a update | 17:19 |
| sdague | ok, mkoderer fire away | 17:19 |
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| mkoderer | dkranz and I started with some design sessions | 17:20 |
| mkoderer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bp_negative_tests | 17:20 |
| mkoderer | we agreed to start on a prototype implementation which will be available next week hopefully :) | 17:21 |
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| sdague | nice, that looks really cool | 17:21 |
| sdague | that would be awesome | 17:21 |
| sdague | you guys rock | 17:21 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Marc is going to put some prototype code | 17:21 |
| sdague | I like the declaritive language for it | 17:21 |
| dkranz | sdague: And I am going to make sure the other apis don't have complexity that is missing from this mode. | 17:21 |
| mkoderer | sdague: I think we could also produce positive tests with it | 17:21 |
| dkranz | sdague: ^^ model | 17:21 |
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| sdague | I think my only suggestion is whether we could declare relative to the REST end point, instead of our internal code | 17:22 |
| dkranz | sdague: We discussed exactly that issue | 17:22 |
| sdague | even if that required another mapping layer from rest end point to internal client / library | 17:22 |
| sdague | because it would be easier to onboard folks then | 17:22 |
| dkranz | sdague: I was intially inclined toward rest but there are two issues | 17:23 |
| sdague | and know relative to the API how we were doing | 17:23 |
| dkranz | sdague: 1. The way it is now covers json and xml | 17:23 |
| dkranz | 2. The way it is now avoids the problem that in the http, some arguments are embedded in the url and some in a json dict | 17:23 |
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| mkoderer | but the drawback is that json schemas are more problematic to link | 17:24 |
| dkranz | Should get some more thought perhaps | 17:24 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure, it just means there is a lot of tempest specific context in the definition. It would be nice to hide that if possible | 17:24 |
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| sdague | anyway, just a thought, I don't want it to derail the great work here | 17:24 |
| dkranz | sdague: I agree if there was a use case outside of tempest. Not sure there really is at the moment. | 17:24 |
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| sdague | dkranz: honestly, I'm less concerned with the use case outside of tempest, as it meaning if we refactor tempest internals the defs break | 17:25 |
| dkranz | sdague: Anyway, we are talking a small prototype now | 17:25 |
| sdague | yep, agreed | 17:25 |
| mkoderer | let's bring the prototype up and we discuss it in more detail | 17:25 |
| mkoderer | yep :) | 17:25 |
| sdague | I think that prototype will make things clearer | 17:25 |
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| sdague | but nice start regardless | 17:25 |
| dkranz | ok, I think that's it. | 17:26 |
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| mkoderer | yes thats it | 17:26 |
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| sdague | ok, lets do the scenario planning at the end, as it's not on the agenda | 17:26 |
| sdague | #topic Neutron | 17:26 |
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| sdague | EmilienM said he wouldn't be able to make it, but he provided some status in -qa earlier | 17:27 |
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| sdague | he's got some reviews up for negative tests that salvatore thinks the neutron team needs to nail down behavior | 17:27 |
| sdague | but it's not quite ready for review yet | 17:27 |
| sdague | I would just say in general, please prioritize neutron reviews | 17:28 |
| mkoderer | yes maybe the guys making those test could directly ping in IRC if they want | 17:28 |
| sdague | as that team is working really hard now to fix neutron issues, and we'd really like to be part of the solution | 17:28 |
| sdague | mkoderer: yes, good point | 17:28 |
| dkranz | sdague: +1 | 17:28 |
| mkoderer | so I will directly have a lool | 17:28 |
| mkoderer | s/lool/look/ | 17:29 |
| sdague | #info please prioritize neutron reviews to help close neutron qa gaps | 17:29 |
| sdague | also, there will be a code sprint in Montreal in Jan | 17:29 |
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| sdague | the details are starting to show up on the ML | 17:29 |
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| sdague | the intent being a neutron / qa push to close remaining gaps before icehouse-2 | 17:29 |
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| sdague | so if anyone wants to participate, just keep an eye on it on the ML | 17:29 |
| anteaya | mkoderer: I will send them over | 17:29 |
| sdague | anteaya: thanks | 17:30 |
| dkranz | sdague: I saw that. Hoefully there is a way for those not in Montreal to join, at least for part of it. | 17:30 |
| mkoderer | anteaya: great | 17:30 |
| anteaya | dkranz: can you attend? | 17:30 |
| sdague | dkranz: it's going to be a code sprint, so joining will probably just mean staying active on IRC | 17:30 |
| anteaya | would love to have lots of qa there | 17:30 |
| sdague | dkranz: it's only a 5 hr drive for you, right? :) | 17:30 |
| dkranz | sdague: Right | 17:30 |
| anteaya | so come | 17:30 |
| anteaya | email me your email address | 17:30 |
| dkranz | sdague: If the roads are clear | 17:30 |
| sdague | montreal was chosen for proximity reasons to mtreinish and I | 17:30 |
| anteaya | anteaya at anteaya dot info | 17:31 |
| sdague | dkranz: that's why I have a subaru | 17:31 |
| dkranz | sdague: :) | 17:31 |
| anteaya | dkranz can you take the train? | 17:31 |
| dkranz | anteaya: No | 17:31 |
| anteaya | :( | 17:31 |
| dkranz | THere is none | 17:31 |
| sdague | the train lines around here to montreal are pretty odd and slow | 17:31 |
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| dkranz | anteaya: I'm not sure if I can make it or not. | 17:32 |
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| anteaya | fair enough, please email me anyway | 17:32 |
| * sdague grew up in vermont, understand the weird trains pretty well | 17:32 | |
| anteaya | then we can firm up later | 17:32 |
| sdague | ok, I think we can move on to next topic | 17:32 |
| sdague | #topic How should we sync the teams (neutron/scenario test)? One BP with work items, bugs or ML? (mkoderer) | 17:32 |
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| sdague | mkoderer: you are up | 17:32 |
| mkoderer | so I just added this topic since I saw the discussion about syncing all the teams | 17:33 |
| mkoderer | so EmilienM asked about neutron testing and on the ML was about scenario testing | 17:33 |
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| mkoderer | I have the feeling nobody want to track it in launchpad | 17:34 |
| sdague | yeh, I think we're going to need to limp through with various ad-hoc things in this cycle until we get enough of storyboard working to run with it | 17:34 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: Is this the same issue I sent to the ml yesterday, about tracking scenario work in general? | 17:34 |
| sdague | so at this point, I'm completely happy with various groups picking whatever works for them to be productive | 17:35 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: yes, there was the very same discussion with neutron testing | 17:35 |
| sdague | if that's a google doc, cool. etherpad, cool. wiki, cool. | 17:35 |
| dkranz | I didn't see the message from EmilienM | 17:35 |
| sdague | I think we should have 1 high level blue print for each of these efforts, just so we can keep an overall eye on progress | 17:36 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: it was on irc about how we want to sync the effort in neutron | 17:36 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: o | 17:36 |
| giulivo | sdague, that means you won't use gerrit and text files for that though, correct? | 17:36 |
| sdague | but the details should be wherever the people doing the work want to | 17:36 |
| sdague | giulivo: that's an option too | 17:36 |
| sdague | but again, I feel like we don't have an efficient standard way to manage the details, so I don't want to impose one on people | 17:36 |
| dkranz | sdague: Right | 17:37 |
| mkoderer | sdague: ok so if I have time I will open up these bp's tomorrow | 17:37 |
| sdague | I'm completely ok with a blueprint with a description, and a link to however the group is managing the details | 17:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: How about either doing what we talked about yesterday using gerrit, or a blueprint named "Scenario: ..." | 17:37 |
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| sdague | dkranz: are you talking about 1 blueprint per scenario? | 17:38 |
| sdague | because I think that will be too heavy | 17:38 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes. | 17:38 |
| dkranz | sdague: That's why I suggested the gerrit thing. | 17:38 |
| dkranz | sdague: I was just agreeing we should not impose it. | 17:38 |
| mkoderer | mhh I think it should be one bp with different work items | 17:38 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, I think we are on the same page | 17:38 |
| giulivo | I'm with dkranz on the gerrit idea, scenarios usually have good descriptions so that should be the first "patchset": a description of the scenario test | 17:39 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: We are talking about all scenarios. Many are not specific to a project. | 17:39 |
| sdague | just to be clear, we really do need a blueprint for each high level thing. Like "Scenario Test Additions in Icehouse" | 17:39 |
| dkranz | sdague: That's fine. | 17:39 |
| sdague | but the details really can be elsewhere | 17:39 |
| sdague | mkoderer: right, the problem is the only way to do work items in blueprints is the whiteboard, which is pretty wonky | 17:40 |
| mkoderer | sdague: I know :| | 17:40 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I was more concerned with avoiding dup and allowing for comments | 17:40 |
| giulivo | dkranz, +1 | 17:40 |
| dkranz | But a master blueprint should be fine | 17:40 |
| dkranz | And completed scenarios can be added so we have a list | 17:40 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, so if the top level blueprint takes you to an etherpad or file in gerrit, or however the team wants to manage that, it should funnel everyone there | 17:40 |
| dkranz | sdague: Right | 17:41 |
| sdague | so a unified entry point to get folks to the right detailed discussion | 17:41 |
| dkranz | Yes | 17:41 |
| mkoderer | that's sounds like a plan | 17:41 |
| sdague | and then agressively go close new blueprints that pop up that look like dups, and drive those folks in through the master blueprint | 17:41 |
| giulivo | 12 | 17:42 |
| sdague | policing that second bit is going to be important to make sure we don't fragment | 17:42 |
| dkranz | +1 | 17:42 |
| mkoderer | +1 | 17:42 |
| sdague | cool | 17:42 |
| giulivo | actually I don't have credentials in launchpad for that | 17:42 |
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| sdague | giulivo: ok, lets fix that after the meeting | 17:42 |
| sdague | everyone with +2 should have that, but it's not automatic | 17:43 |
| mkoderer | ok don't know if I have these permissions | 17:43 |
| sdague | fwiw, the new thinking on storyboard that mordred and I are pushing is make storyboard a rest api first | 17:43 |
| sdague | with sample scripts to manipulate it | 17:43 |
| sdague | and let people build UIs later | 17:44 |
| sdague | which I think would work really well in our workflow | 17:44 |
| sdague | and ensure we can write lots of scripts to support the workflows we need | 17:44 |
| sdague | ok, next topic | 17:44 |
| sdague | #topic Onboarding documentation - where should we put it? (mkoderer) | 17:44 |
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| sdague | mkoderer: you up again :) | 17:45 |
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| mkoderer | I got these action item from the summit | 17:45 |
| mkoderer | any ideas where this document should be stored? | 17:45 |
| mkoderer | wiki? | 17:45 |
| sdague | mkoderer: actually, I'd suggest putting it in tree | 17:45 |
| giulivo | yeah in tree | 17:45 |
| sdague | doc/source | 17:45 |
| dkranz | sdague: +1 | 17:45 |
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| mkoderer | sdague: ok cool | 17:45 |
| sdague | publishes to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/ on merge | 17:46 |
| mkoderer | great I will have a look | 17:46 |
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| sdague | awesome | 17:46 |
| mkoderer | if I find some time I will push it | 17:46 |
| mkoderer | :) | 17:46 |
| sdague | nice :) | 17:46 |
| sdague | +1 to more docs | 17:46 |
| mkoderer | thats all | 17:46 |
| giulivo | sorry guys, how is the onboarding different from the README? | 17:47 |
| sdague | I was actually thinking that maybe we need a REVIEWING.rst as well, which I might bang out a proposed version on the airplane some time next week | 17:47 |
| sdague | just to make sure we write down all our assumptions about reviewing, and that we are on the same page | 17:47 |
| sdague | giulivo: I think it's more extensive than what's there | 17:48 |
| sdague | README is mostly a quickstart kind of approach | 17:48 |
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| sdague | but with the docs tree we can have more complicated chapter model to target different audiences | 17:48 |
| sdague | which is good | 17:48 |
| mkoderer | yes it will have a lot of details that arent needed in readme | 17:48 |
| sdague | there is plenty of confusion, and writing things down will help | 17:48 |
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| sdague | mkoderer: thanks again for championing this | 17:48 |
| sdague | ok, last topic | 17:49 |
| mkoderer | I am quite sure it will cause a lot of discussions | 17:49 |
| mkoderer | yep | 17:49 |
| sdague | mkoderer: yep, and it will be great :) | 17:49 |
| sdague | #topic Critical Reviews (sdague) | 17:49 |
| EmilienM | mkoderer: o/ | 17:49 |
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| mkoderer | should we quickly talk again about neutron testing? | 17:50 |
| sdague | mkoderer: we can take that to -qa I think | 17:50 |
| mkoderer | sure | 17:50 |
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| sdague | anyone have some reviews they need eyes on that are falling behind? | 17:51 |
| sdague | in general I'd like to see the Nova v3 reviews make more progress, though it looks Ken'ichi has been all over those over night | 17:51 |
| sdague | which is awesome | 17:51 |
| mkoderer | I have a trouble with a review | 17:51 |
| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51122/ | 17:51 |
| mkoderer | seems that it's a problem due to py2.7 | 17:52 |
| sdague | ok, is it debug issue? | 17:52 |
| sdague | ok, that's something we should try to sort out | 17:52 |
| mkoderer | afazekas told me that I should skip one test for py2.7 | 17:52 |
| mkoderer | I need to have a closer look | 17:52 |
| sdague | I'd rather not skip 2.7 | 17:53 |
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| sdague | that seems like the wrong approach | 17:53 |
| mkoderer | sdague: I know ;) | 17:53 |
| sdague | so let's try to get to the bottom of the issue | 17:53 |
| sdague | after lunch I'll try to help loook | 17:53 |
| mordred | sdague: what did I do? | 17:53 |
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| mordred | ah. nm | 17:53 |
| * mordred read scrollback | 17:53 | |
| sdague | ok, any other critical reviews? | 17:53 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: There actually aren't any that are old. | 17:54 |
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| giulivo | an on-the-fly topic | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: But the queue is still pretty long | 17:54 |
| dkranz | giulivo: Go ahead | 17:54 |
| giulivo | I noticed the ironic tests addition | 17:54 |
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| sdague | dkranz: yeh, the queue is long, I was going after it oldest to newest, but I think a lot was lag leading up to summit | 17:55 |
| sdague | giulivo: go for it | 17:55 |
| giulivo | but that doesn't seem easy to gate, anyone looking into that? | 17:55 |
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| sdague | giulivo: they have a virtual bare metal setup ... which I thought landed in devstack | 17:55 |
| sdague | maybe not yet | 17:55 |
| sdague | they will also be doing real baremetal on some tripleo clouds, and report as 3rd party testing | 17:56 |
| dkranz | The last comment says there are patches after which this can run | 17:56 |
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| sdague | so once they get that, we could use the 3rd party testing results to help us know the code runs as well | 17:56 |
| giulivo | need to learn what that 3rd party directory is :) | 17:57 |
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| sdague | giulivo: so our 3rdparty directory is for 3rdparty APIs | 17:57 |
| dkranz | sdague: mtreinish pushed the config sample file change which will cause more pain. It is blocked on rebase. | 17:57 |
| sdague | but this is going to be like SmokeStack | 17:57 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Are you able to push it? | 17:57 |
| sdague | dkranz: I can rebase it | 17:57 |
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| dkranz | sdague: How do you do that? | 17:58 |
| sdague | git review -d ##### | 17:58 |
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| sdague | then rebase on master | 17:58 |
| sdague | then repush | 17:58 |
| dkranz | sdague: Oh, I thought you had a way without "taking" it | 17:58 |
| dkranz | sdague: That's fine | 17:58 |
| sdague | it only changes the committer, he'll still get author for it | 17:58 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Got it. We should do that more often. | 17:59 |
| sdague | yeh, typically I only do that if I know the person is going to be away for a week | 17:59 |
| sdague | because I really want folks to come back around and pay attension to their patches | 17:59 |
| sdague | and when people don't, I use it as a signal to not prioritize reviewing their code | 18:00 |
| sdague | because they aren't attentive | 18:00 |
| sdague | ok, I think we're at the end of time | 18:00 |
| sdague | so thanks for coming, see you on -qa | 18:00 |
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| sdague | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 14 18:00:45 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-11-14-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-11-14-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-11-14-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes, it would be great if the gerrit ui could encourage review efficiency instead of the opposite. | 18:00 |
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| dwalleck | mlavalle: I think we failed at time zones | 18:02 |
| mlavalle | dwalleck: yes we did | 18:03 |
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| shohel_ | Hi, is there anyone from OpenStack Security Group | 18:04 |
| joel-coffman | me | 18:05 |
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| nkinder_ | It's the right meeting time for OSSG, isn't it? | 18:05 |
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| joel-coffman | yes | 18:05 |
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| shohel_ | It should be | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 14 18:06:57 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | hi everyone | 18:07 |
| joel-coffman | hey | 18:07 |
| shohel_ | hi | 18:07 |
| nkinder_ | hello | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | sorry about the delay... I hadn't updated my calendar for US daylight savings time | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | heh | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | ok, so let's get right into it | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | first I'd like to do a quick brain dump on the summit | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | and some of the next steps | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | feel free to chime in with additional details and/or to add things that I miss | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | after that, I believe shohel_ wanted to talk a bit about threat modeling | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | #topic Summit Wrapup | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | So, the summit was busy and a lot of fun, as usual | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | From an OSSG perspective, I have started to push my agenda for Icehouse: Scaling out OSSG | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | in particular, I'll be working to get more participation and to spread some of the leadership load | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | and that should free me up to contribute in other ways a bit too | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | more tactically, here's some of the areas the group discussed working on | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | OSSN | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | the security notes could be ramped up | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | perhaps up to 1 / week | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | based on the email thread, I think we have some volunteers to take that on | 18:11 |
| nkinder_ | bdpayne: I reached out to Robert to volunteer. | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | great | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | for the book, I'd like to find 2-3 people that can serve as editors | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | these people would drive the improvement of the content | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | and there was some talk of doing a 2nd edition at some point as well | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | (fwiw, I'll be sending out these requests for volunteers to the mailing list as well) | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | for the volume encryption work... I just wanted to give a shout out to joel-coffman and the APL crew for a job well done | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | nice summit talk and a nice path forward to continue working in that space | 18:13 |
| joel-coffman | thanks | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | joel-coffman anything you'd like to add and/or are there ways that others can help you out / get involved there? | 18:13 |
| joel-coffman | we're continuing to move forward with our ephemeral storage encryption efforts | 18:13 |
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| joel-coffman | code reviews are always appreciated | 18:14 |
| joel-coffman | :-) | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ok, sounds good | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | and there's some barbican integration work too? | 18:14 |
| joel-coffman | feedback regarding our design, etc. is always helpful too | 18:15 |
| joel-coffman | yes | 18:15 |
| joel-coffman | key management is a huge issue for our work | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | yes, indeed | 18:15 |
| bknudson | using barbican or keystone for key management? | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | I believe they are moving forward with barbican | 18:16 |
| joel-coffman | integrating Barbican with our key manager interface is something that people could help with | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | keystone isn't really designed for key management | 18:16 |
| joel-coffman | bknudson: bdpayne: yes | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | joel-coffman I may be able to help there, we should chat sometime | 18:16 |
| joel-coffman | okay | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | threat analysis... there is a new effort here by Ericson that we'll discuss a little more in a bit | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | cve tracking... the group decided that there is a need to have a structured feed for the CVEs | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | turns out that the VMT is thinking along those lines as well | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | so we can collaborate with them on this | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | I think we do need someone from OSSG to help drive that effort | 18:18 |
| joel-coffman | I think that would be helpful | 18:18 |
| joel-coffman | i.e., a feed for CVEs | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | dev sprints... we plan to do some dev sprints with a security focus for icehouse | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | Eric Windisch has volunteers to organize those | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | I've noticed that basically all projects could benefit from more security-focused developers | 18:19 |
| joel-coffman | agreed | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | so, that's a great place to contribute if you can... just getting your hands dirty :-) | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | finally... we spoke a bit about the group's visibility | 18:19 |
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| nkinder_ | bdpayne: that's also an area I'm hoping to help with | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | sounds like many of the good things we are doing are not getting out there as much | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | nkinder_ with visibility or dev? | 18:20 |
| nkinder_ | security visibility | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | ahh, very nice | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | so I think it would be nice to have a community manager to drive this | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | perhaps nkinder_ could fill that role? | 18:21 |
| nkinder_ | Many projects don't seem to think about security. It seems like guidelines are needed, and lots of watching. | 18:21 |
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| nkinder_ | That's what I'm hoping to do. | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | basically, someone to keep the rest of OpenStack abreast of what we are doing | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | emails to dev on a regular basis, perhasps... and perhaps getting a section in the newsletter once a month or so | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | things like that | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | but also to help keep OSSG up to speed as well | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | we have nearly 100 people in the group | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | and I'd like to keep people engaged and excited about the work happening here | 18:22 |
| nkinder_ | makes sense | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | nkinder_ we can talk more about this seprately too, please drop me a line | 18:22 |
| nkinder_ | bdpayne: sure | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | so that's what I have from the summit | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | what can others add? | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | ok, perhaps you guys need some coffee | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:24 |
| shohel_ | he he | 18:24 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Threat Analysis | 18:24 |
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| bdpayne | shohel_ please get us up to speed on your plans | 18:24 |
| shohel_ | ok thanks, | 18:24 |
| shohel_ | James has already discussed about the plan in the Summit | 18:24 |
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| shohel_ | just to get started, a wiki has been set up | 18:25 |
| shohel_ | so that we can all be in the same page together | 18:25 |
| shohel_ | First thing to focus on is the process we want to follow, | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Threat_Analysis | 18:25 |
| shohel_ | thanks | 18:25 |
| shohel_ | We need to focus on a homogenous process for analysis of all OpenStack project | 18:26 |
| shohel_ | Here i think we can start pretty soon. | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | do you have something in mind? | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | or is this the first step of your work? | 18:26 |
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| shohel_ | There is a sketch diagram in the wiki | 18:26 |
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| shohel_ | but need be more defined | 18:27 |
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| shohel_ | I will some more content tomorrow to make the process clear | 18:27 |
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| shohel_ | *add* | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | sounds good | 18:27 |
| shohel_ | This is something also need to be discussed among OSSG community | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | at the summit, Rob Clark from HP suggested that he may have some thoughts on all of this | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | I'd encourage you to sync with him on the mailing list as well | 18:28 |
| shohel_ | yes | 18:28 |
| shohel_ | That i think we should do soon | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | shohel_ this sounds interesting and I'm looking forward to tracking the work | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | please keep engaged with OSSG and let us know how the community can help support you in this effort | 18:28 |
| shohel_ | Sriram also said he will architectural diagram activity | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | oh great | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | is that all for now? | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | on threat modeling? | 18:29 |
| shohel_ | Another important thing is team member selection and scope selection | 18:29 |
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| shohel_ | we want to focus on Keystone area and proceed from there | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | ok | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | so we're about out of time for today | 18:30 |
| shohel_ | Ok | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | please do keep us posted and let's bring the discussion to the mailing list | 18:30 |
| shohel_ | I will inform more my mail | 18:30 |
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| joel-coffman | thanks | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | #topic Wrapup | 18:30 |
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| bdpayne | thanks all, I'll be following up on the mailing list to recruit more volunteers :-) | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | I think that's lots of good efforts coming out of the summit | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | have a great week | 18:31 |
| nkinder_ | thanks | 18:31 |
| shohel_ | same to all | 18:31 |
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| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 14 18:31:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-11-14-18.06.html | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-11-14-18.06.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-11-14-18.06.log.html | 18:31 |
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| sriramhere | hello there, any OSSG members out here? | 19:03 |
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| sriramhere | <bdpayne> are you there? | 19:07 |
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| bdpayne | hi, yes... but we should chat outside of this channel.. please send me a PM | 19:07 |
| bdpayne | (OSSG meeting was an hour ago, time change) | 19:08 |
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| sriramhere | oh no...PMing you | 19:09 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 14 21:01:27 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! who's around? | 21:01 |
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| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | o/ | 21:01 |
| mrodden | hi | 21:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:01 |
| alaski | hi | 21:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:01 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:01 |
| melwitt | hi | 21:01 |
| shane-wang | hi | 21:01 |
| rohitk | hi | 21:01 |
| ryanpetrello | hullo | 21:01 |
| russellb | awesome, let's get going then | 21:01 |
| russellb | #topic general announcements | 21:02 |
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| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:02 |
| russellb | that's our meeting page | 21:02 |
| russellb | i'll be keeping an agenda on there each week | 21:02 |
| russellb | if you have something to add, feel free to edit the page, or ping me | 21:02 |
| dims | o/ | 21:02 |
| russellb | also, if you have ideas for things that we should hit every week, let me know | 21:02 |
| mikal | Hi | 21:02 |
| russellb | the other general thing for today is making sure everyone has seen the icehouse schedule | 21:02 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 21:02 |
| russellb | #note icehouse-1 release is 3 weeks from today | 21:03 |
| russellb | the release will fly by :) | 21:03 |
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| russellb | so, 66 blueprints targeted at icehouse-1, and 0 to the other milestones isn't terribly realistic, but that's another topic :) | 21:03 |
| dansmith | holy crap | 21:03 |
| russellb | dansmith: exactly | 21:03 |
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| russellb | so as you're planning your blueprints, please look closely at the schedule and figure out what's realistic for your work | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i'll go ahead and say instance type flavor dedup is probably I2 | 21:04 |
| jog0 | so we have to merge 33 BPs a week | 21:04 |
| mikal | russellb: how firm is that May 15th week for the next summit? | 21:04 |
| jog0 | err 22 | 21:04 |
| russellb | mikal: contract signed AFAIK | 21:04 |
| russellb | mikal: so very firm | 21:04 |
| mikal | russellb: cool | 21:04 |
| mikal | russellb: its nice to be able to plan | 21:04 |
| russellb | so, week of May 12-16 | 21:05 |
| russellb | i think they have 5 days booked | 21:05 |
| russellb | and we may offset design summit by a day | 21:05 |
| russellb | so something like, conf mon-thurs, design summit tues-fri | 21:05 |
| russellb | or something, not positive yet | 21:05 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:05 |
| russellb | but very likely | 21:05 |
| mikal | Do you have dates for the mid-cycle meetup? It seems like that might be the week of icehouse-2? | 21:05 |
| russellb | "they" being the foundation, that organizes these things | 21:05 |
| russellb | ok, so mid-cycle meetup, good question | 21:06 |
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| russellb | i gave some possible dates to the sponsors (bluehost), and last week they told me to just pick and week and they'll make it work | 21:06 |
| russellb | so now it's back on me | 21:06 |
| russellb | or us | 21:06 |
| mikal | Pick me! | 21:06 |
| mikal | I can be the decider | 21:06 |
| russellb | heh | 21:07 |
| russellb | ok, so based on the poll i did a while back | 21:07 |
| russellb | good weeks looked like either january 13th | 21:07 |
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| russellb | or feb 17 | 21:07 |
| * dansmith votes for the latter | 21:07 | |
| mikal | Jan 13 will clash with the ATC meetup in Australia | 21:07 |
| russellb | feb 17 is a bit more "mid cycle" | 21:07 |
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| alaski | I'm in favor of Feb as well | 21:08 |
| mriedem | location? | 21:08 |
| russellb | in the US somewhere | 21:08 |
| mikal | Are you thinking an entire week? | 21:08 |
| russellb | depends on the date we tell them | 21:08 |
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| mikal | Or like three days? | 21:08 |
| russellb | mikal: sounds like they're willing to host more like 3 days max | 21:08 |
| russellb | 2 or 3 days | 21:08 |
| * beagles votes for St. John's | 21:08 | |
| russellb | provide us space, and lunches | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I think that's more realistic anyway | 21:08 |
| dansmith | in terms of travel | 21:08 |
| mikal | Oh, so somethign like Feb 17 to 19? | 21:08 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Atlanta | 21:08 |
| russellb | geekinutah: around by chance? | 21:09 |
| MikeSpreitzer | sorry, | 21:09 |
| geekinutah | yep | 21:09 |
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| russellb | possible locations sounded like Boston, or Phoenix | 21:09 |
| * russellb doesn't really care | 21:09 | |
| geekinutah | yeah Boston Phoenix or Provo | 21:09 |
| * mikal wanted Utah | 21:09 | |
| mriedem | phoenix, warm | 21:09 |
| russellb | Provo means possible ski trip :) | 21:09 |
| dansmith | I vote provo, phoenix, boston, in that order | 21:09 |
| geekinutah | this is true :-) | 21:09 |
| mikal | Where is Provo? | 21:09 |
| russellb | i haven't been snowboarding in years | 21:09 |
| ryanpetrello | Atlanta in Jan/Feb == coooooooold | 21:09 |
| russellb | mikal: utah | 21:10 |
| russellb | but any would be good :) | 21:10 |
| beagles | wondering if staying away from the east coast in that time of year would be a good idea ... for that kind of thing anyways | 21:10 |
| russellb | OK, so week of feb 17? | 21:10 |
| mikal | Oh yeah, airport closures | 21:10 |
| beagles | snowstorms messing with travel, etc | 21:10 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Atlanta was typo, sorry | 21:10 |
| dims | yay to boston :) | 21:10 |
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| mikal | russellb: my chances of getting you to run it a week earlier are zero, right? | 21:11 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Provo or Pheonix would be my suggestion | 21:11 |
| russellb | mikal: a week earlier hits valentines day, which some people care about | 21:11 |
| mikal | russellb: I have a probably clash depending on how long the meetup is for | 21:11 |
| mikal | What are the dates for Valentine's day? | 21:11 |
| russellb | unless we did a monday-tuesday meetup, perhaps | 21:11 |
| russellb | feb 14 | 21:11 |
| mikal | (Don't tell my wife I asked that) | 21:11 |
| * russellb doesn't care about it, but some do | 21:11 | |
| shane-wang | :D | 21:11 |
| dripton | +1 for avoiding valentine's day | 21:11 |
| russellb | comstud told me he'd get shot | 21:11 |
| cyeoh | mikal: that comment goes on facebook ;-) | 21:12 |
| russellb | for example :) | 21:12 |
| dansmith | yeah and we need comstud | 21:12 |
| mikal | Well, 10 - 12 Feb would let people get back in time for the 14th | 21:12 |
| dripton | changing +1 to -1 to avoid getting comstud shot | 21:12 |
| mikal | And then I would miss my kids birthday... | 21:12 |
| russellb | mikal: what would make you miss it? | 21:12 |
| mikal | s/would/wouldn't/ | 21:12 |
| russellb | oh, i see | 21:12 |
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| russellb | anyone *against* feb 10? | 21:12 |
| mikal | I need to be back in AU by 21 Feb, which makes the week of the 17th tight | 21:12 |
| russellb | mikal: 17-18 meetup? | 21:13 |
| russellb | would get you back ... barely | 21:13 |
| mikal | 17 - 19 would get me back on the 21st | 21:13 |
| russellb | dansmith: i know you had some conflicts, feb 10 work for ou? | 21:13 |
| mikal | So tight but doable | 21:13 |
| * russellb nods | 21:13 | |
| dansmith | russellb: it would be tight for me, I'm looking | 21:13 |
| russellb | k | 21:13 |
| dansmith | yeah, I could do it | 21:14 |
| russellb | ok, well, right now it's either feb 10 or feb 17, leaning toward feb 10, but i'll wait for anything further last minute "please no" comments, and i will re-review the poll results | 21:14 |
| russellb | from there i'll confirm it with bluehost, and report back | 21:14 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:14 |
| dansmith | mikal: any chance you won't get funding, or will you definitely be there? | 21:14 |
| russellb | i know this needs to get firmed up asap for planning | 21:14 |
| russellb | sorry i'm terrible at this | 21:14 |
| mikal | I personally think three days would be better than two by the way | 21:14 |
| russellb | mikal: OK | 21:14 |
| mikal | dansmith: I need to check... I can do that today though. | 21:14 |
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| mikal | Do we have a mail thread for this I can let people know on? | 21:15 |
| russellb | mikal: i know 2 is quick for how far you're traveling ... | 21:15 |
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| dansmith | mikal: okay, if it's unlikely, then maybe we could push for the later, and if not, then the earlier | 21:15 |
| russellb | but maybe a smaller group can hang out another day, i dunno | 21:15 |
| russellb | i don't want to overextend our welcome | 21:15 |
| geekinutah | I think the mean consensus for length was 3 days also | 21:15 |
| russellb | mikal: no thread right now, please ping me | 21:15 |
| mikal | russellb: sure | 21:15 |
| russellb | geekinutah: yeah, but jsmith acted like 3 might be a bit much | 21:15 |
| jaybuff | i expect my employeer to sign the stupid CCLA. if they do i hope to be more involved and I will attend. I would love a snowboarding the weekend after with whomever is up for it. | 21:16 |
| geekinutah | we should check with him on that | 21:16 |
| geekinutah | I think it can be done | 21:16 |
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| russellb | jaybuff: awesome | 21:16 |
| geekinutah | we just need to move schedules around | 21:16 |
| russellb | geekinutah: OK | 21:16 |
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| melwitt | snowboarding fun | 21:16 |
| jog0 | we are 15 min into the meeting and 3 weeks away from I-1 ... | 21:16 |
| dansmith | geekinutah: do we get a tour of facilities? | 21:16 |
| geekinutah | certainly | 21:16 |
| russellb | so ... to firm this up, i'm leaning toward feb 10 based on mikals conflict | 21:16 |
| dansmith | sweet | 21:16 |
| russellb | and will ask for 3 days, but we'll happily take 2 | 21:16 |
| jaybuff | +1 provo, feb 10, 3 days | 21:17 |
| russellb | going to wait a day for mikal to get back to me | 21:17 |
| russellb | and then will push forward | 21:17 |
| russellb | sound good? | 21:17 |
| mikal | Thanks guys | 21:17 |
| * russellb nods | 21:17 | |
| russellb | ok, onward | 21:17 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:17 | |
| russellb | one thing i've mentioned by mail, and in the design summit, is that we need a bug czar | 21:18 |
| russellb | because it's one thing that i drop the ball on trying to do everything | 21:18 |
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| russellb | lifeless spoke up at the design summit as willing to start helping with this | 21:18 |
| russellb | for reference, here is our current triage process: | 21:18 |
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| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 21:18 |
| russellb | however, 82 bugs are untagged | 21:18 |
| russellb | and 100 tagged bugs are untriaged (181 total untriaged) | 21:19 |
| russellb | so, we aren't doing great at it | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | one person owning triage gets hard, i've done that before on projects and we had to start rotating it | 21:19 |
| russellb | lifeless: around? thoughts for how we can improve on our bug queue handling? | 21:19 |
| lifeless | hi | 21:19 |
| lifeless | nuts, today is a public holiday | 21:19 |
| russellb | well i envision a person leading the effort, building a team | 21:19 |
| lifeless | the bug thing is at the top of my todo list but I vagued on it cause I wasn't going to be here. | 21:19 |
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| lifeless | I do have a plan! | 21:19 |
| russellb | lifeless: ok, all good, shall we revisit next week? | 21:20 |
| lifeless | three second over view | 21:20 |
| russellb | i like plans | 21:20 |
| russellb | k! | 21:20 |
| lifeless | get some metrics that I think are valuable to game | 21:20 |
| lifeless | ask people to join and game them | 21:20 |
| lifeless | don't mention the mile wide holes that can be driven through this plan in IRC | 21:20 |
| lifeless | *oops* | 21:20 |
| russellb | +1 | 21:20 |
| russellb | a solid start to many things | 21:21 |
| * russellb points at reviewstats | 21:21 | |
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| lifeless | also avoid the pathology of bad metrics that Ubuntu has seared in my consciousness | 21:21 |
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| russellb | heh | 21:21 |
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| russellb | k, well let's dig into it more next week | 21:22 |
| russellb | enjoy your holiday :) | 21:22 |
| russellb | #topic sub-teams | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sub-teams (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:22 | |
| russellb | alright, each week we also hit on status of some sub-team efforts within nova (or the compute program in general) | 21:22 |
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| russellb | one that i'd like to start checking in on regularly this cycle is novaclient | 21:22 |
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| russellb | multiple people have expressed interest in helping, some of which i still need to follow up with | 21:23 |
| russellb | but melwitt is one, and she has stepped up to help bring some status info to our weekly meeting :-) | 21:23 |
| russellb | melwitt: i know we're just getting started, but any thoughts for today? | 21:23 |
| melwitt | yes, I have gathered a few metrics for the novaclient bugs and reviews | 21:23 |
| russellb | awesome | 21:23 |
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| melwitt | there are 107 open bugs, i.e. bugs that are not status 'fix released'. 40 bugs in new status, 2 high importance bugs (I don't remember how to link LP bugs here) | 21:24 |
| melwitt | there are 10 patch reviews up, all of which are being actively looked at/updated/reviewed, a couple of them are WIP | 21:25 |
| russellb | OK, so definitely need some help doing triage | 21:25 |
| russellb | you can just paste bug links | 21:25 |
| russellb | but sure we have a fancy bot in here for bug numbers ... | 21:25 |
| russellb | so the two High priority bugs, being looked at? | 21:25 |
| melwitt | oh ok. https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1039572 | 21:25 |
| russellb | let's try ... bug 1039572 | 21:26 |
| russellb | no bug bot. | 21:26 |
| dripton | lp:1039572 | 21:26 |
| dripton | nope | 21:26 |
| russellb | that first one looks fixed now | 21:26 |
| russellb | joe linked to a patch that has since been merged | 21:26 |
| melwitt | the other is https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1116593 | 21:26 |
| russellb | melwitt: do you have permissions to close bugs? | 21:26 |
| russellb | melwitt: you just need to join the nova-bugs team on launchpad | 21:27 |
| russellb | in theory | 21:27 |
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| melwitt | russellb: oh, yes I'm part of nova-bugs team | 21:27 |
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| russellb | melwitt: basically, change "Confirmed" to "Fix Committed" | 21:27 |
| melwitt | russellb: ah ok. thanks. I missed that it had been merged, I hadn't clicked on it | 21:27 |
| russellb | all good :) | 21:28 |
| russellb | that's why we're talking through them! | 21:28 |
| russellb | progress | 21:28 |
| russellb | ok, so the other one ... depends on a nova feature, and we have the nova feature as wishlist | 21:28 |
| russellb | so i think i'd change the novaclient bug to wishlist, as well | 21:28 |
| melwitt | ok. will do that. | 21:28 |
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| russellb | and like magic, no more High bugs :-p | 21:29 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:29 |
| russellb | thanks for bringing the info! | 21:29 |
| melwitt | I never knew it could be so simple! thanks for the help | 21:29 |
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| russellb | if anyone would like to help with novaclient metrics, or help clean up the novaclient bug queue, please talk to melwitt ! (and you all can talk to me, too) | 21:29 |
| russellb | sounds like the bug queue is the biggest area in need of cleanup | 21:29 |
| dripton | fyi: the magic that closes bugs in launchpad fails if there's a dot after the bug number. So tag maintainers need to look for bugs to manually mark fixed. | 21:30 |
| russellb | dripton: that seems like an oversight :) | 21:30 |
| russellb | in the magic | 21:30 |
| rohitk | russellb: Can we form a subteam for third party compatibility efforts? I know atleast 5 folks who're interested | 21:30 |
| mikal | dripton: sounds like a bug needing fixing | 21:30 |
| dripton | russellb: there's a regex somewhere in the git magic that needs fixing. I'll look for it. | 21:30 |
| russellb | rohitk: that was next on my list! | 21:30 |
| russellb | dripton: great! | 21:30 |
| russellb | ok, next sub-team ... | 21:31 |
| russellb | we had a session on AWS (EC2) compatibility | 21:31 |
| mikal | dripton: probably openstack-infra/jeepyb ? | 21:31 |
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| russellb | the outcome was basically that those interested needed to coordinate efforts in a subteam | 21:31 |
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| russellb | rohitk: that was your session, right? | 21:31 |
| rohitk | russelb: right | 21:31 |
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| russellb | OK, great | 21:31 |
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| russellb | so some thoughts on how to get started ... poll the openstack-dev mailing list for those that would like to join | 21:31 |
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| russellb | aim to have at least a few people working together regularly | 21:31 |
| russellb | and then find a time that is reasonable convenient for everyone to meet once a week | 21:32 |
| russellb | and schedule an IRC meeting | 21:32 |
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| russellb | and then hopefully one person out of that group can come here and give some status to the rest of the nova community | 21:32 |
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| russellb | once you have a group, work to divide and conquer work, baby steps | 21:32 |
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| russellb | increase some test coverage, close feature gaps, whatever you guys think is important | 21:33 |
| russellb | from a high level anyway :-) | 21:33 |
| rohitk | russellb: sounds good, will get started on this | 21:33 |
| russellb | ok, awesome | 21:33 |
| russellb | please let me know if you want to discuss further or need any help | 21:33 |
| russellb | i'm happy to see this get going | 21:33 |
| rohitk | russellb: absolutely, thanks | 21:33 |
| russellb | and i can try to attend the first meetings at least to help talk about how the work integrates back into nova | 21:34 |
| russellb | processes and such | 21:34 |
| russellb | one other thing that we need a sub-team going on is containers | 21:34 |
| russellb | we had a big discussion on the future of docker | 21:34 |
| russellb | and it sounds like we may go with a separate project completely | 21:35 |
| russellb | step 1 being come up with a straw man API for what such a project would expose | 21:35 |
| russellb | to help us really decide if it needs to be separate, or continue to be an extension to nova | 21:35 |
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| russellb | samalba: around by chance? | 21:35 |
| russellb | i'm not sure we identified concretely who was going to run with this idea | 21:36 |
| russellb | but samalba did the docker driver :) | 21:36 |
| russellb | so i'm hoping he does! | 21:36 |
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| russellb | for reference ... | 21:36 |
| russellb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docker-nova-hkg | 21:36 |
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| russellb | big list of people on there interested | 21:37 |
| samalba | russellb: I am here | 21:37 |
| russellb | samalba: just trying to identify next steps on our containers discussion | 21:37 |
| samalba | (reading the backlog) | 21:37 |
| russellb | samalba: are you (or someone) going to start organizing that? drawing up an API? | 21:37 |
| samalba | yes, I was planning to start the spec this week-end | 21:37 |
| russellb | perfect! | 21:37 |
| samalba | and involve the people from the etherpad early | 21:37 |
| russellb | sounds great, let me know how it goes | 21:38 |
| russellb | and i'll also try to check in with you | 21:38 |
| samalba | mainly draft the API + requirements for starting the implem | 21:38 |
| * russellb nods | 21:38 | |
| russellb | sounds like a good place to start | 21:38 |
| samalba | I guess etherpad is the right place to draft | 21:38 |
| russellb | another key bit is some architecture ... specifically, the interaction with existing openstack services | 21:38 |
| samalba | exactly, it's included | 21:38 |
| russellb | such as, is it built on top of nova exclusively? | 21:38 |
| russellb | ok, so you're all over it :) | 21:38 |
| russellb | yeah, etherpad or wiki, whichever | 21:39 |
| russellb | or a git repo | 21:39 |
| jog0 | russellb: do we want this to be part of the openstack compute project (not sure if I got terminology right there), as in we would have nova and x | 21:39 |
| samalba | yes, just did not have the chance to start yet... but it's planned for short term :-) | 21:39 |
| russellb | with just docs | 21:39 |
| samalba | ok | 21:39 |
| jog0 | russellb: I guess I am jumping the gun, never mind | 21:39 |
| russellb | jog0: no, it's a good question | 21:39 |
| russellb | my opionion is that containers are a part of nova right now, so this effort should start as a sub-project of the compute program | 21:40 |
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| jog0 | program ooh thats the word I was looking for | 21:40 |
| russellb | if this moves forward far enough that it becomes a new project, we'll re-evaluate | 21:40 |
| russellb | programs are largely about groups of people | 21:40 |
| russellb | if the people working on it are largely separate from those doing nova, it would probably make sense to have a new program | 21:40 |
| russellb | if there's significant overlap, i would keep it under compute | 21:40 |
| russellb | from a technical standpoint, i think we could argue it either way | 21:40 |
| russellb | but it really comes down to the people | 21:40 |
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| russellb | on a related note, every program is supposed to have a mission statement that helps capture the scope | 21:41 |
| russellb | i don't think we have one :) | 21:41 |
| mikal | "To not suck" | 21:41 |
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| russellb | "compute" is our mission statement | 21:41 |
| russellb | :-p | 21:41 |
| russellb | mikal: and that | 21:41 |
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| mikal | "To not suck at compute" | 21:41 |
| jog0 | mikal: ++ | 21:41 |
| russellb | so anyway, let's start with an effort of the compute program to bootstrap | 21:41 |
| russellb | make sense? | 21:41 |
| samalba | russellb: I have to leave IRC for a bit, but I'll keep you in the loop for specing this containers service | 21:42 |
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| russellb | samalba: sounds good! | 21:42 |
| russellb | ok, other subteams | 21:42 |
| russellb | scheduling, vmware, xenapi, hyper-v | 21:42 |
| russellb | anyone want to provide updates on those? | 21:42 |
| russellb | all had a session, or multiple sessions last week | 21:42 |
| n0ano | scheduling - no meeting this week (recovering from the summit) | 21:42 |
| russellb | n0ano: sounds good, i'm still recovering too :) | 21:42 |
| n0ano | lots of sessions from the summit, we'll start going over them next week. | 21:43 |
| russellb | sounds good | 21:43 |
| russellb | #topic blueprints | 21:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:43 | |
| russellb | so we had a thread about blueprint process here | 21:43 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/017290.html | 21:43 |
| russellb | I've started integrating our process tweaks into the main blueprints page | 21:43 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 21:43 |
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| mriedem | was just going to ask about that | 21:43 |
| russellb | if there is anything about the blueprint process not clear from that page, it needs love | 21:44 |
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| russellb | (as of the last couple hours) | 21:44 |
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| russellb | so, we need to start reviewing these things | 21:44 |
| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 21:44 |
| russellb | 66 blueprints, all on icehouse-1 | 21:44 |
| russellb | <glare> | 21:44 |
| russellb | none on 2 or 3 | 21:44 |
| mriedem | i can make that 65 | 21:44 |
| russellb | cool :) | 21:45 |
| russellb | if you have something that you don't think will be merged by 3 weeks from today, please go ahead and update | 21:45 |
| mriedem | instance type / flavor rename is just a lot of busy work, so taking a while | 21:45 |
| russellb | i'd like to spend tomorrow starting a big push to catch up on blueprint reviews | 21:45 |
| russellb | so if you're on nova-drivers, or would like to help (anyone can help), please hang around #openstack-nova tomorrow | 21:45 |
| russellb | and we'll see how far we get | 21:45 |
| russellb | depending on how well it goes, we may have another day next week | 21:45 |
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| russellb | any particular ones you guys want to talk about right now? | 21:46 |
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| shane-wan1 | russellb: can you approve bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-api-support? | 21:46 |
| russellb | heh | 21:46 |
| shane-wan1 | we are confident for icehourse-1 | 21:47 |
| dansmith | haha | 21:47 |
| russellb | we will be reviewing blueprints tomorrow :) | 21:47 |
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| russellb | there are probably 50 that need to be looked at | 21:47 |
| shane-wan1 | ok | 21:47 |
| geekinutah | +1, I just added one :-) | 21:47 |
| russellb | so you're not alone | 21:47 |
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| russellb | we just need to firm up our process, and then talk about it at the summit | 21:47 |
| russellb | and this week has been a bit of recovery | 21:47 |
| shane-wan1 | is there a review meeting, which everyone can join? | 21:48 |
| jog0 | russellb: I like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Blueprint_Review_Criteria | 21:48 |
| russellb | so i think we're finally to where we can catch up on this | 21:48 |
| russellb | shane-wan1: no specific time, just going to do it tomorrow on IRC | 21:48 |
| russellb | "tomorrow" | 21:48 |
| dansmith | shane-wan1: please read the scroll back from like three minutes ago | 21:48 |
| russellb | jog0: cool thanks | 21:48 |
| shane-wan1 | ok, just disconnected, sorry | 21:48 |
| shane-wan1 | :D | 21:48 |
| russellb | let's start pasting this wiki link everywhere | 21:48 |
| russellb | a majority of people seem to screw up step 1 | 21:49 |
| russellb | (targeting to a milestone) | 21:49 |
| russellb | targeting a milestone is a trigger to get review ... | 21:49 |
| jog0 | russellb: that may help make it easier to review them tomorrow | 21:49 |
| russellb | and then i get emails "why isn't my thing reviewed yet" | 21:49 |
| russellb | because you missed step 1 | 21:49 |
| russellb | jog0: yeah hope so, and we can tweak that criteria as we go | 21:49 |
| russellb | another thing .... while we have 66 on icehouse, we probably have a couple hundred others | 21:49 |
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| russellb | i'd like to do a mass close of others after another week or so | 21:49 |
| russellb | next friday was the date i put on the ML a while back | 21:50 |
| shane-wan1 | ideally, icehouse-3 will be busy | 21:50 |
| russellb | i'll post a reminder | 21:50 |
| russellb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/ | 21:50 |
| russellb | 358 total blueprints | 21:50 |
| russellb | need to identify what's actually active work, so close them all :) | 21:50 |
| shane-wan1 | oh, my god | 21:50 |
| russellb | and see what gets reopened i guess | 21:50 |
| russellb | close with a comment linking to process info | 21:50 |
| shane-wan1 | blueprints look like bugs | 21:50 |
| russellb | nova is busy :) | 21:51 |
| mrodden | implement all the thigns | 21:51 |
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| russellb | OK, I think that's all for now! | 21:52 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:52 | |
| russellb | a few minutes for any other topics | 21:52 |
| geekinutah | I have a random topic | 21:52 |
| mikal | So, I'm approved for Utah | 21:52 |
| russellb | mikal: nice work | 21:52 |
| * beagles notes "fast work" | 21:52 | |
| russellb | mikal: we decided it's only for people in the northern hemisphere though, sorry | 21:52 |
| shane-wan1 | mikal: for meetup, so quick? | 21:53 |
| geekinutah | I don't know if anyone here uses libvirt hooks to tray and track state changes | 21:53 |
| geekinutah | s/tray/try/ | 21:53 |
| geekinutah | we are starting down that road and I'm wondering if this is something that would belong in nova | 21:54 |
| mikal | russellb: doh! | 21:54 |
| russellb | the power state notification hook thing that nova has started using? | 21:54 |
| geekinutah | uhhhhh, probably similar, first I've heard of it though | 21:54 |
| russellb | ok, well take a look ... | 21:54 |
| dansmith | geekinutah: yeah, some work has been done there | 21:54 |
| russellb | we have a thing now where nova gets notified of VM power state changes | 21:54 |
| russellb | instead of nova polling in a periodic task | 21:55 |
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| geekinutah | omg | 21:55 |
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| russellb | uses a libvirt hook | 21:55 |
| russellb | :) | 21:55 |
| geekinutah | so that's awesome, I'll check it out | 21:55 |
| russellb | was merged into grizzly IIRC | 21:55 |
| russellb | like last minute grizzly | 21:55 |
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| russellb | though i think it may have been broken until recently ... | 21:55 |
| geekinutah | anyone remember the blueprint? | 21:56 |
| russellb | geekinutah: search "virtevent" in nova/compute/manager.py | 21:56 |
| russellb | geekinutah: and git blame / log from there | 21:56 |
| russellb | best i got | 21:56 |
| russellb | actually blueprint is compute-driver-events | 21:56 |
| russellb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/compute-driver-events | 21:57 |
| geekinutah | thank you much, I will investigate | 21:57 |
| russellb | np | 21:57 |
| russellb | anything else? | 21:57 |
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| beagles | mmmm | 21:57 |
| russellb | beagles: neutron parity notes? :) | 21:58 |
| beagles | fwiw there will be some activity in the next bit in the bit of neutronv2 code | 21:58 |
| russellb | excellent | 21:58 |
| beagles | (sorry dog just tipped computer over) | 21:59 |
| russellb | ha | 21:59 |
| russellb | work from home life | 21:59 |
| shane-wan1 | :D | 21:59 |
| shane-wan1 | admire | 21:59 |
| russellb | alright, everyone, about out of time | 21:59 |
| beagles | as it is in the nova tree the reviews are going to show up on that side of things,I'm going to be hauling neutron folks over to review | 21:59 |
| beagles | but ... | 21:59 |
| russellb | biggest thing this week, let's get these blueprints in shape | 21:59 |
| russellb | beagles: OK, if you can help identify which ones need priority that'd be great | 22:00 |
| beagles | I may ask some questions regarding assumptions where the API might be a ambiguous | 22:00 |
| russellb | report them in this meeting is a good time | 22:00 |
| beagles | agreed and will do | 22:00 |
| russellb | or ML threads as needed | 22:00 |
| russellb | tagged with [Nova][Neutron] | 22:00 |
| russellb | hopefully that will get the right attention | 22:00 |
| * beagles nods | 22:01 | |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 22:01 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 14 22:01:22 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-11-14-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-11-14-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-11-14-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
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