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| mestery | hi | 14:00 |
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| mestery | rkukura feleouet sukhdev rcurran apech: Here for ML2 meeting? | 14:00 |
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| rkukura | yes - hi! | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 11 14:01:12 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 14:01 |
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| mestery | So, rkukura and I are hoping to have a very short meeting today. | 14:01 |
| mestery | So to that goal, I've setup a very tight agenda, please see the link above. | 14:02 |
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| mestery | First, just a note: Modular Layer3 (e.g. L3 Routing plugin) merged this morning! | 14:02 |
| mestery | We'll need to document ML3 with ML2. | 14:02 |
| mestery | #action rkukura and mestery to document ML3 with ML2. | 14:02 |
| rkukura | lets hold off on calling it ML3 for now, since it doesn't (yet) use drivers supporting mulitple technologies simultaneously | 14:03 |
| mestery | rkukura: OK, though it's too catchy to resist. ;) | 14:03 |
| mestery | We have one critical bug: bug 1223000 | 14:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1223000 in neutron "ML2 port-binding fails if FQDN not used" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1223000 | 14:03 |
| rkukura | I plan to fix that this week, but have several options | 14:04 |
| mestery | I discovered this while testing L2 Population on multi-node devstack | 14:04 |
| mestery | rkukura: Awesome! | 14:04 |
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| rkukura | 1) fix nova to use getfqdn(), 2) break neutron to use gethostname(), or lazy queries | 14:04 |
| mestery | rkukura: For what it's worth, I'm using option 2 to work around this at the moment. | 14:04 |
| rkukura | I'm wondering if that is best - be consistent across the projects | 14:05 |
| mestery | Makes sense | 14:05 |
| rkukura | but I'm not sure what impact the change would have on continuous deployments | 14:05 |
| rkukura | clearly less than changing nova would have, I think | 14:05 |
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| mestery | Agreed | 14:05 |
| feleouet | +1 for option 2, as neutron doesn't make a large use of CONF.host for now | 14:06 |
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| mestery | feleouet: Good timing here. :) | 14:06 |
| sukhdev_ | can you add a configurable option for FQDN | 14:06 |
| rkukura | option 3) lazy queries seems kind of complex and could introduce issues | 14:06 |
| mestery | For this late in Havana, I think option 2 is best. | 14:06 |
| rkukura | sukhdev_: sure | 14:06 |
| rkukura | agreed on 2 | 14:07 |
| rkukura | with config option I think | 14:07 |
| mestery | Yes | 14:07 |
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| rkukura | but default to matching nova | 14:07 |
| rkukura | then maybe we can get similar option into nova | 14:07 |
| mestery | That seems reasonable. | 14:07 |
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| mestery | The Nova change woudl be in Icehouse, right? | 14:07 |
| rkukura | most likely | 14:08 |
| mestery | Cool | 14:08 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on. | 14:08 |
| mestery | We have one FFE left for Havana: The 3 L2 Population BPs | 14:08 |
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| mestery | feleouet: How goes L2 Population? | 14:08 |
| sukhdev_ | If you see ML2 driver for Arista, I ran into the same FQDN issue - Nova vs LLDP - so, I added config option to solve this | 14:08 |
| dandrushko | hi, can i report issue with devstack + ml2 here? | 14:08 |
| feleouet | mestery: works fine for me, and what about your testings? | 14:08 |
| mestery | dandrushko: Yes, devstack is later in the agenda. | 14:08 |
| dandrushko | thanks | 14:09 |
| rkukura | mestery: is today the deadline for FFEs to merge? | 14:09 |
| mestery | feleouet: I am seeing some oddities, though not related to L2 Pop, will continue testing today. | 14:09 |
| mestery | rkukura: L2 Population FFE ends today, yes. | 14:09 |
| mestery | rkukura: Other FFEs have different end dates is my understanding. | 14:09 |
| feleouet | We did quite extensive testing here, and it works really well | 14:09 |
| rkukura | is it all-or-nothing for the 3 merges? | 14:09 |
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| feleouet | But didn't had mayny review comments | 14:10 |
| mestery | To fully utilize L2 pop, I think so. | 14:10 |
| mestery | feleouet: I think the code is fine, I'm just trying to test it out. :) | 14:10 |
| feleouet | It could be a fair candidate for FFE, as proposed changes are essentially code addition. As long as l2population isn't activated, plugin and agents shouldn't be affected. | 14:10 |
| rkukura | I will do my best to do at least a quick review this afternoon on all 3 | 14:10 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thanks. | 14:11 |
| feleouet | rkukura: thanks! | 14:11 |
| rkukura | getting car serviced, so can do this in waiting room | 14:11 |
| mestery | feleouet: I'll get my testing done in the next 2 hours and also provide review/comments feedback. | 14:11 |
| feleouet | I'll do my best to quickly address any comment | 14:11 |
| mestery | feleouet: Thanks! | 14:11 |
| mestery | feleouet: I'll keep an eye on these and make sure they merge if everything looks good,. | 14:12 |
| mestery | Anything else on L2 pop? | 14:12 |
| rkukura | will this need documentation? | 14:12 |
| mestery | Yes | 14:12 |
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| mestery | It's configurable on/off, so at a minimum we need to document that. But we may want to document it a bit more to describe how it works. | 14:12 |
| feleouet | if it gets merged, we'll work on documenting the feature | 14:13 |
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| rkukura | lets get it in | 14:13 |
| mestery | Awesome. | 14:13 |
| mestery | OK, lets keep moving here. | 14:13 |
| feleouet | thanks! | 14:13 |
| mestery | devstack and ML2 | 14:13 |
| mestery | 2 patches merged (see agenda link) | 14:13 |
| mestery | Only one left is defaulting devstack to ML2 over OVS | 14:13 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45493/ Default ML2 to LinuxBridge and OVS MDs | 14:14 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45697/ Augment instead of override "extra" ML2 paramaters | 14:14 |
| mestery | dandrushko: You are seeing issues with ML2 and devstack? | 14:14 |
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| dandrushko | well, not really | 14:14 |
| dandrushko | basically i want to point that on a wiki with devstack+ml2 config guide there is option ML2_VLAN_RANGES=100:200 | 14:15 |
| rkukura | also need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45565/, don't we?\ | 14:15 |
| dandrushko | for basic vlan configuration | 14:15 |
| sukhdev_ | I submitted a patch regarding devstack and jsonrpclib fix | 14:16 |
| dandrushko | but if this option enabled, i'm getting this | 14:16 |
| dandrushko | TRACE neutron.plugins.ml2.drivers.type_vlan NetworkVlanRangeError: Invalid network VLAN range: '100:200' - 'need more than 2 values to unpack' | 14:16 |
| mestery | rkukura: Was going to talk about that one next, but it fits here too | 14:16 |
| rcurran | you need physical name on ML2_VLAN_RANGES | 14:16 |
| mestery | dandrushko: I think that is a bug, it should have a network identifier (e.g. something like physnet1:100:200) | 14:16 |
| dandrushko | without this option everything goes fine | 14:16 |
| mestery | rcurran: Exactly | 14:16 |
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| rkukura | dandrushko: this needs the physical_network just like the existing plugins' network_vlan_ranges | 14:16 |
| mestery | Sorry, not a bug, but a typo in the wiki | 14:16 |
| dandrushko | ok, thank you | 14:17 |
| mestery | sukhdev_: Looks like your jsonrpclib patch will be approved by garyk once you fix the commit message. Can you do that this morning? | 14:17 |
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| rkukura | sukhdev_: I've got concerns about the correct process for introducing a new dependency, but don't want to derail this fix | 14:18 |
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| sukhdev_ | OK - I will do that - in order to make the change to comment, do i need to upload a new patch? or is there any cleaver way to do it? | 14:18 |
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| mestery | Just do a "git commit --amend" to fix the message then "git review" again | 14:18 |
| sukhdev_ | rkukura: I saw your email and want to understand the concern and provide correct fix - but, am not familiar with this stuff yet :-) | 14:19 |
| rkukura | sukhdev_: also, the devstack fix makes this an agent dependency, but its really a server dependency, right? | 14:19 |
| sukhdev_ | mestery: THX | 14:20 |
| rkukura | sukhdev_: I have not had time to investigate it, but I think new dependencies are supposed to be added via OSLO. | 14:20 |
| rkukura | There is some mechanism to coordinate that different projects don't have conflicting version requirements | 14:20 |
| mestery | Might be good to send an email to openstack-dev for feedback from the oslo folks. | 14:20 |
| sukhdev_ | what do you mean by server dependency? | 14:20 |
| rkukura | sukhdev_: The arista MD runs in the neutron server | 14:21 |
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| sukhdev_ | yes | 14:21 |
| rkukura | so the depenency needs to be installed on the node where the server runs, not where agents run | 14:21 |
| sukhdev_ | ah - I see your point now | 14:21 |
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| rkukura | sukhdev_: sorry for not posting this on the review - I've been totally swamped, and wanted to figure out the overall process, but just have not got a chance | 14:22 |
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| sukhdev_ | If you can point me to some documentation or anything which will lead me in the right direction, I can dig up and provide the feedback | 14:22 |
| mestery | sukhdev_ rkukura: Perhaps an email to the openstack-dev list to ping some oslo folks is in order here. | 14:23 |
| feleouet | jsonrpclib seems to be already in oslo: | 14:23 |
| mestery | sukhdev_: Can you take care of that? Send them all the details and someone can likely help out. | 14:23 |
| feleouet | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L25 | 14:23 |
| sukhdev_ | yes, it was added back in April | 14:23 |
| feleouet | shouldn't we try to update neutron requirements? | 14:24 |
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| markmcclain | feleouet: they are | 14:24 |
| rkukura | feleouet: That may be what I was thinking of - really glad to see jsonrpclib is already there | 14:24 |
| sukhdev_ | I added it in the neutron requirements as a part of my patch | 14:24 |
| feleouet | oh sorry, I missed something about this issue;) | 14:25 |
| rkukura | so seems like devstack installing it is all that remains | 14:25 |
| sukhdev_ | In that case if the fix that I submitted should take care of the issue, right? | 14:25 |
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| rkukura | Probably - just would like to make sure we do this correctly for devstack - should it be listed somewhere under devstack/files if its python dependency? | 14:26 |
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| mestery | But the change is installing agent packages. | 14:26 |
| rkukura | we can take this to the review rather than use up the meeting time | 14:26 |
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| mestery | I thought we needed this on the server? | 14:26 |
| mestery | rkukura: Good point. | 14:27 |
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| mestery | OK, so the only other item is ML2 documentation. | 14:27 |
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| mestery | rkukura and I plan to have a draft out hopefully before next Monday's Neutron team meeting. | 14:27 |
| mestery | Once that is out, getting as many people to review will be very helpful. | 14:27 |
| sukhdev_ | I am not familiar with how the files/* stuff is used - I will be happy to add it there, if you feel that is needed as well | 14:27 |
| mestery | rkukura: Anything else on documentation right now? | 14:28 |
| rkukura | mestery: I'm setup to edit docs and you are out next week, so I can manage the edits | 14:28 |
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| sukhdev_ | Can I raise one issue? | 14:28 |
| mestery | rkukura: Great! I may ping you to get setup for that too. | 14:28 |
| mestery | OK, that's all for the agenda then. | 14:28 |
| mestery | sukhdev_: Sure, go ahead. | 14:28 |
| sukhdev_ | port dict has name filed, and it is never set. I thought port binding was going to take care of it - but, no luck | 14:29 |
| sukhdev_ | how do we get the name filled in port dict? | 14:29 |
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| sukhdev_ | that is port name, i meant | 14:30 |
| rkukura | sukhdev_: Its not set in port_create because nova doesn't pass it | 14:30 |
| rkukura | port name, or host_id? | 14:30 |
| sukhdev_ | port name | 14:30 |
| rkukura | Isn't name optional? | 14:31 |
| sukhdev_ | it is always empty | 14:31 |
| rkukura | Can you set it with port_update? | 14:31 |
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| sukhdev_ | yes, the name is optional - but, it is very useful for the customers for the debuuging and they are asking for it | 14:31 |
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| rkukura | so don't we need to get nova to supply a name when creating the port then? | 14:31 |
| sukhdev_ | yes, we do | 14:32 |
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| mestery | sukhdev_: Is there a bug in nova filed for this? I think that's the route to go here. | 14:32 |
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| sukhdev_ | Shall I file a bug for Nova for this? | 14:32 |
| rkukura | sukhdev_: makes sense to me, along with a patch | 14:33 |
| mestery | OK, that's all I had today. | 14:33 |
| sukhdev_ | sounds good - thanks for the input | 14:33 |
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| mestery | Lets see if we can get L2 Population in today! | 14:34 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:34 |
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| rkukura | and the devstack work@ | 14:34 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 11 14:34:08 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-09-11-14.01.html | 14:34 |
| rkukura | ! | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-09-11-14.01.txt | 14:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-09-11-14.01.log.html | 14:34 |
| mestery | rkukura: Yes, devstack too. :) | 14:34 |
| mestery | thanks everyone! | 14:34 |
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| rkukura | any feedback on switching the devstack default from markmcclain or others? | 14:34 |
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| mestery | rkukura: He was onboard with it, I believe. | 14:35 |
| mestery | I have a bug for it in the agenda, just need to push a patch out and see if it passes the gate. :) | 14:35 |
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| markmcclain | +1 to gating on ml2 | 14:37 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: is switching the devstack default the way to do this? | 14:38 |
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| markmcclain | yes | 14:38 |
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| rkukura | so once we get the jsonrpclib fix into devstack, is there anything else before merging the change in default? | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 11 14:59:50 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | Hey I have had appolgies from BobBall and matel so we might call it off today | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | but feel free to speak up now if you are here for the meeting... | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info let's meet sametime next week, when people are back from thier travels | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 11 15:13:55 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-09-11-14.59.html | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-09-11-14.59.txt | 15:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-09-11-14.59.log.html | 15:14 |
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| jgriffith | cinder meeting? | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 11 16:00:37 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | hey everone | 16:00 |
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| avishay | hola | 16:01 |
| xyang_ | hi | 16:01 |
| zhiyan | hello | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| jjacob512 | hi | 16:01 |
| joel-coffman | hey | 16:01 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | We've got a number of things on the agenday so we should probably get to it | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: you wanna start with the topics you've listed? | 16:02 |
| avishay | sure | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic fix list of bp's | 16:02 |
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| avishay | first, some blueprints that were implemented aren't listed for havana-3 | 16:02 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i assume you control that | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | avishay: examples? | 16:03 |
| avishay | volume migration, TSM driver | 16:03 |
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| avishay | do you want me to go through the blueprints and give you a list offline? | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | avishay: so to be clear here | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: if they weren't targetted and folks wanted them targetted they should have checked in before the milestone closed :) | 16:04 |
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| avishay | ah ok, so too late now, no problem | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I've also pointed out that there is some issues with jenkins not updating the status on the BP's for some reason | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | avishay: no, not at all | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | avishay: so everything that has been implemented will eventually get updated to reflect as implemented in H | 16:05 |
| avishay | OK awesome | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | avishay: things can get implemented (and often are) without being targetted | 16:05 |
| avishay | just wanted to make sure it would make it to some list because people asked me | 16:06 |
| avishay | weren't sure what got in and what didn't | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | avishay: the tricky ones are the ones that go in but because of commit messages or whatever reason their status doesn't get updated and the submitter doesn't address it | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | avishay: understood | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thanks for pointing it out | 16:06 |
| avishay | cool | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | I'll work on cleaning it up | 16:06 |
| avishay | thanks :) | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | #topic nova hypervisor support | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | this one's yours as well | 16:07 |
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| avishay | yep :) | 16:07 |
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| avishay | so basically libvirt/KVM supports pretty much everything, but other hypervisors don't | 16:07 |
| avishay | CHAP authentication, volume swap (migration), rate limiting, etc. | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | not quite accurate but point taken | 16:08 |
| avishay | recommendations for the best way to let them know? mailing list, summit? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | not sure what you mean? | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | YOu mean let the Nova team know? | 16:08 |
| hemna | morning | 16:08 |
| avishay | yes, or more specifically the hypervisor maintainers | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | They're pretty aware of the deltas if that's what you mean | 16:09 |
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| avishay | hypervisor driver maintainers | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: so there's a matrix of hypervisor feature support | 16:09 |
| avishay | OK, wasn't aware, will check that out | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | avishay: and they're battling with the same thing that I have been pushing in Cidner | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | Cidner | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry I am late. Another meeting ran over. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | Cinder... geesh, 3 times to spell cinder | 16:09 |
| avishay | haha | 16:10 |
| kmartin | avishay: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:10 |
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| avishay | OK so it's a matter of updating this list | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | so FYI there has been interest expressed in going more of the direction of base api in all hypervisors | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | avishay: curious what's out of date? | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | Oh... never mind | 16:11 |
| avishay | OK, so I will email the mailing list to see how to get this updated | 16:11 |
| winston-d_ | jgriffith: i guess like adding volume swap/online migration/rate-limit to that hypervisor matrix? | 16:11 |
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| avishay | yep | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: yeah... I got it :) | 16:12 |
| avishay | OK cool, will do that | 16:12 |
| bswartz | avishay: it's a wiki, you can just edit it | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | might be best to just ping russellb or some of the nova core folks when you want to start tackling this | 16:12 |
| avishay | bswartz: but i want people to look at it too :) | 16:12 |
| avishay | jgriffith: OK will do | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: +1 | 16:13 |
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| kmartin | should probably add FC support to the list | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | assuming you put accurate info in there :) | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | avishay: anything else? | 16:13 |
| * DuncanT- appologises for being late to the party | 16:13 | |
| avishay | not for this topic | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: that's alright, you have to clean up | 16:13 |
| bswartz | avishay: add the ones you know about personally and leave blanks for the rest, then send out pings | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | avishay: another topic? | 16:13 |
| avishay | bswartz: yep good idea | 16:14 |
| winston-d_ | kmartin: +1 for adding FC support to the list | 16:14 |
| avishay | jgriffith: yes, next topic | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I mean, do you have another topic? | 16:14 |
| avishay | Status of driver qualification tests - was wondering how that was going? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | ok... | 16:14 |
| hemna | :) | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | #topic status of driver qualification | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | so first... I'm a little concerned | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | I would *assume* that all of you are running the tempest suite against your driver/backend already :) | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | so there shouldn't be any big surprises here :) | 16:15 |
| avishay | (at least) :) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | anyway... | 16:15 |
| * dosaboy is currently trying to fix some tempest gaps | 16:16 | |
| dosaboy | i think they could defo do with soem more love | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I need to get back to this this week: https://github.com/j-griffith/cinder-cert | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: for sure | 16:17 |
| avishay | OK cool | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: we all have a tendency to drop our patch and not update QA tests for our new features | 16:17 |
| dosaboy | yep, guilty here too | 16:17 |
| dosaboy | trying to redeem | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'm still not exactly sure where I think the best place for this to live is | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: we're all guilty | 16:17 |
| hemna | why not tempest ? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | avishay: or if this is even the absolute best approach | 16:18 |
| avishay | would it make sense in the future to add some way to query the storage to see if tests pass? for example, add an interface somewhere to stat a volume on the backend? | 16:18 |
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| caitlin-nexenta | What's the desired timeline for adding new features to the QA tests for drivers? Obviously there is a period where the new feature is *being* implemented by various drivers. | 16:18 |
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| avishay | so tempest test would call 'extend_volume', then check to make sure the backend size is correct | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: no strict timeline, but we have a tendency to just ignore tempest unfortunately | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: exactly | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: but that's not really how tempest is set up | 16:19 |
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| dosaboy | catlin-nexenta: probably best to write tests as you write features and submit once feature is merged | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT- | There is an argument for not merging until we have at least minimal tempest tests for the new feature | 16:20 |
| kmartin | what's tempest? .....just kidding | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | avishay: which is why I wonder if something deeper and more focused in cidner might be useful | 16:20 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i know, but in the future | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | avishay: and checking with the backend is tricky to do | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | avishay: everybody is different :) | 16:20 |
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| hemna | couldn't we just put it in cinder itself? | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: there is, but the converse is true as well | 16:20 |
| hemna | and require folks to submit the output of the test along w/ the patch ? | 16:20 |
| caitlin-nexenta | DuncanT: that would result in new features being close to invisible. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: chicken/egg | 16:20 |
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| hemna | (for new drivers) | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: yes | 16:21 |
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| avishay | if the new feature isn't merged the test won't pass :) | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | hemna: that was one of the options I threw out a few weeks ago | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thus chicken/egg :) | 16:21 |
| hemna | but it would be nice if every milestone this was run automatically against existing drivers and a report was up somewhere for us to look at | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: how ??? | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: you want to send me a 3par and a lefthand | 16:22 |
| hemna | I'll get on that | 16:22 |
| hemna | :P | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | avishay: you send me each of the IBM devs | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I'll need one of every NetApp | 16:22 |
| avishay | jgriffith: how much room do you have in your house? and do i pay for electricity? | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: hehe | 16:22 |
| caitlin-nexenta | We need to recognize that there is a difference between not yet supporting a new feature and failing an existing test. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:22 |
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| winston-d_ | guys, i'll take the burden of doing such test, pls send me your back-ends. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Won't have to pay for heat anymore. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: indeed | 16:23 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: haha | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: :) | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: I volunteered first | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | Ok... seriously though | 16:23 |
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| hemna | just call one of those solar leasing companies...they'll install solar for you for your power needs. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | first pass logic here: | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | we just use existing tempest tests | 16:23 |
| avishay | So I think in the future - maybe Icehouse, maybe after - we change the definition of "supporting a feature" from code merged to tests passing | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | the existing tempest volume tests are core API functions that should work for everybody | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | that's exactly the idea | 16:24 |
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| avishay | we should talk to QA core team | 16:24 |
| avishay | about finding this poor guy a home | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | avishay: about? | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: +1 | 16:24 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: if there was someplace we could send some netapp boxes and to have ongoing qualification tests done for us we would absolutely do it | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'll just submit it | 16:24 |
| kmartin | maybe require that the driver owners to run the test at the end of each milestone and submit the results, if they don't start -2 all their patches | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | avishay: it's fine | 16:25 |
| avishay | jgriffith: ok | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | avishay: we can tweak as we go | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: that was the idea | 16:25 |
| winston-d_ | jgriffith: tempest tests only cover core apis? | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: remember we said something like: | 16:25 |
| avishay | sounds good, i'm all for this | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | log a bug against each driver at the beginning of each milestone | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | the bugs get addressed at the end of the mileston by running this test and submitting results file | 16:25 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Having storage vendors run tests each milestone is probably necessary, but we need realistic time schedules. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: what do you mean? | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: all this is doing is "show me that you do what you say you do" | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | because sadly we've found that is not always the case | 16:26 |
| caitlin-nexenta | The tests need to be stable by T-X, you need to run them after that, and then have time to fix minor errors without missing the release. | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | to be clear... | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | this isn't about new features | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | this is about base core functionality | 16:27 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Basically, there needs to be an "acceptance test freeze" before code freeze. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | I think this is being overthought a bit | 16:27 |
| caitlin-nexenta | ok, so how will non-core functionality be validated? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | it's not yet | 16:27 |
| avishay | let's just start and see how it goes | 16:28 |
| DuncanT- | avishay: +2 | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | avishay: exactly | 16:28 |
| kmartin | avishay: +1 | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | all I want for a first pass is to require that drivers pass the SAME tests that every patch is gated on today | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | I don't think that's at all unreaonable | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | unreasonable | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | ok with everyone? | 16:29 |
| DuncanT- | caitlin-nexenta: We're not going to immediately pillory anybody who doesn't submit immediately, we will, like the core features this release, start a dialogue and work with people to make progress | 16:29 |
| avishay | +8 | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | For sure it will be a learning process | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Makes sense. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | and I'm not saying anybody is kept out of release or anything | 16:29 |
| hemna | sounds good to me | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | this is almost like a non-voting deal to start just to have documentation/tracking etc | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: I think I see some of your points, but we're not even remotely there yet so I don't think you need to worry much about it | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | we'll work through it as we go | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | by I we'll have a better idea of how to institute a process | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | #topic read only volumes | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | who posted that one? | 16:31 |
| avishay | jgriffith: guilty :( | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | geesh! | 16:31 |
| avishay | so read-only didn't make it to nova | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | avishay: you're hogging all the topics today | 16:31 |
| avishay | i love the attention | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:32 |
| hemna | :P | 16:32 |
| avishay | what do we do with the cinder side? | 16:32 |
| bswartz | let's make avishay honorary PTL | 16:32 |
| avishay | bswartz: nooo!!! :) | 16:32 |
| DuncanT- | If it didn't make it into nova, can we disable the API in the cinder release, since it is useless and misleading? | 16:32 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: that's what i was thinking | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | nothing | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | no | 16:32 |
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| kmartin | bswartz: we'll fo that I-3 when things get fun | 16:32 |
| DuncanT- | At least disabling it by default in policy.js seems sensible | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: that's fine | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: but there are other consumers besides nova | 16:33 |
| DuncanT- | Oh? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | in fact a primary goal for R/O is glance | 16:33 |
| winston-d_ | glance? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: :) | 16:33 |
| avishay | oh, right | 16:33 |
| DuncanT- | Fair enough | 16:33 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: i don't think so TBH | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: oh? | 16:34 |
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| zhiyan | jgriffith: r/o-attach is worth thing for nova also IMO | 16:34 |
| winston-d_ | oh, that's cinder faking glance back-end, but actually nova has to attach cinder volume | 16:34 |
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| zhiyan | and multi-attach will base on it | 16:34 |
| winston-d_ | so | 16:34 |
| zhiyan | winston-d_: correct | 16:34 |
| zhiyan | winston-d_: even glance attach it also (via multi-attach), such as uploading bits | 16:35 |
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| zhiyan | winston-d_: and download image | 16:35 |
| winston-d_ | zhiyan: so are you ok that we disable R/O related API for H? | 16:35 |
| zhiyan | winston-d_: that's sooo bad to me, but i have no other idea...since we miss h | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | I'm not sure this is such a big deal TBH | 16:36 |
| winston-d_ | zhiyan: so you are ok | 16:36 |
| caitlin-nexenta | What would we be enabling if we did not disable it? | 16:36 |
| zhiyan | winston-d_: you know a lot of discussion on design.. and slow review progress.. :) | 16:37 |
| DuncanT- | I'd suggest just disabling it in policy.js with a big fat warning might be enough | 16:37 |
| winston-d_ | zhiyan: yeah, i understand. been there. | 16:37 |
| hemna | ugh that's just ugly IMO | 16:37 |
| DuncanT- | Advanced users are likely to be editing policy.js anyway | 16:37 |
| hemna | bleh | 16:37 |
| avishay | yea it sucks that it didn't make it | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | the default policy is disabled. no biggy | 16:37 |
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| winston-d_ | caitlin-nexenta: so R/O will allow owner of volume/admin to set a read_only flag for a volume | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | K, we'll just update etc/policy.json to disable the update_readonly_flag by default | 16:38 |
| avishay | winston-d_: which nobody will honor :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | everyody good with that? | 16:39 |
| zhiyan | zhiyan: is ok | 16:39 |
| bswartz | no complaints | 16:39 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: +1 | 16:39 |
| avishay | OK | 16:39 |
| hemna | it's probably the only thing we can do at this point | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | K... I'll work on that later today | 16:39 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Rolling the code out sounds worse, so it sounds good to me. | 16:39 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: i think that's it for my topics :) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | TBC the code is still there | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | avishay: haha! | 16:40 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, brick ? | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | I'm not taking the code out of cinder (absolutely not) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | #topic brick | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | not going in to nova yet | 16:40 |
| hemna | so brick isn't making it into nova | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:40 |
| hemna | we decided to punt for H | 16:40 |
| avishay | damn nova ruining all our fun | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 16:41 |
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| hemna | serious lack of reviews on the nova side left me w/o any time to respond quick enough | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | TBH it's probably better anyway | 16:41 |
| hemna | but I'd like to see if we can come up with a plan for I | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | we need to make it a true lib and go that route | 16:41 |
| hemna | where should it live | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | synching is going to suck too bad | 16:41 |
| hemna | oslo ? | 16:41 |
| hemna | pypi ? | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I think pypi | 16:41 |
| hemna | yah the syncing was killing me | 16:41 |
| bswartz | not everything can go into oslo | 16:42 |
| winston-d__ | +1 for brick lib | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | hemna: owned by cinder, published to pypi | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: +10000 | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | the whole idea initially was a lib anyway | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | so I plan to work on that early Icehouse | 16:42 |
| DuncanT- | gerrit etc through the openstack infrastructure? | 16:42 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Is there a mission statement / definition of "Brick" anywhere? | 16:42 |
| avishay | yes, i we need to stay in control of reviews | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | and it will make the integration in to Nova MUCH easier as well | 16:42 |
| hemna | I was watching the reviews and folks were putting lots of cinder deps in there. | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: yeah | 16:43 |
| hemna | and database objects, etc | 16:43 |
| avishay | caitlin-nexenta raises a good point - not everyone knows what Brick is | 16:43 |
| hemna | if it's a standalone lib, it needs to have it's own docs, unit tests, etc | 16:43 |
| hemna | I'm not sure how the development process will work w/ putting it in pypi from cinder | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | avishay: caitlin-nexenta I'll fix that up | 16:44 |
| caitlin-nexenta | hemna: having doc doesn't do much good if you don't know why you shoul read them. | 16:44 |
| bswartz | why pypi and not simply an new openstack project? last time I checked there were close to 50 openstack projects -- one more can't hurt | 16:44 |
| zhiyan | avishay: can we make some doc or wiki pages to explain brick? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | hemna: it'll work just like cinderclient | 16:44 |
| hemna | cinder has it's own framework for unit tests, etc but brick in pypi will needs it's own | 16:44 |
| avishay | zhiyan: that is a job for hemna or jgriffith :) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | I'll be working on it after we get H out | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | I'll keep you all updated | 16:44 |
| zhiyan | hemna: indeed, probably you are a good candidate.. | 16:45 |
| bswartz | and we can make avishay the PTL for that project | 16:45 |
| dosaboy | I might as well ask since we're talking brick, | 16:45 |
| winston-d_ | jgriffith: like a sub-project under cinder? | 16:45 |
| avishay | bswartz: stop making me PTL...i don't need the abuse that jgriffith gets :) | 16:45 |
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| hemna | hehe | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: yes | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: just like cinderclient | 16:45 |
| winston-d_ | jgriffith: nice | 16:45 |
| dosaboy | i'm gonna add rbd stuff to brick and was wondering if anyone had any particular use cases they want covered | 16:45 |
| hemna | jgriffith, ok you'll have to fill me in on the details of cinderclient's dev process | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I think you need to hold off | 16:45 |
| hemna | I'd like to get started on the lib work soon | 16:45 |
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| dosaboy | jgriffith: it will be for I | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: I think there's some confusion on mission/purpose etc | 16:46 |
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| dosaboy | ah ok | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | everyobdy just wants to dump their driver in brick now | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | granted for RBD there's going to be a lot of things that this is useful for | 16:46 |
| hemna | jgriffith, we should add the mission statement to the README | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: yeah, at a bare minimum | 16:47 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: so was unclear myself but am going along the lines of adding code that is currently used in multiple places | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | I need to clean up the focus on that whole thing | 16:47 |
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| xyang_ | hemna: so does copy volume <-> image use brick code now? | 16:47 |
| dosaboy | so only common code/functionality goes in | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: yeah... and that's cool. I just don't want everybody distracted with brick submissions right now | 16:47 |
| hemna | xyang_, yes | 16:47 |
| dosaboy | sure sure | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | which brings me to the next topic :) | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | #topic feature patch submissions | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | Please please please stop submitting new feature patches | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | after we open up I in a few more weeks you can have a ball | 16:49 |
| dosaboy | :) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | but right now I'm just going to -2 anything I see anyway | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | we're supposed to be testing/bug-fixing and doing docs right now | 16:49 |
| eharney | when do we branch between Havana and Icehouse? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | eharney: that sort of depends | 16:50 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | eharney: it comes down to how many rc's we need | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | once we get through rc's and feel stable then we'll open up I | 16:50 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: I have a new driver, is it to late to submit for H? | 16:50 |
| eharney | ok | 16:50 |
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| winston-d_ | :) | 16:50 |
| avishay | haha | 16:50 |
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| avishay | kmartin: might as well backport to grizzly while you're at it | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | ha!!! | 16:51 |
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| hemna | ooh good idea, I'll -1 him and ask him to do that | 16:51 |
| kmartin | sure that was the plan | 16:51 |
| avishay | haha | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | #topic design summit | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | Nov will be here before we know it | 16:51 |
| kmartin | every submit should have an associated bug id | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | http://summit.openstack.org/ | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: +1 | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | else it gets rejected | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | or just ignored | 16:52 |
| avishay | kmartin: "cinder does not support driver X" is not a valid bug! | 16:52 |
| dosaboy | kmartin: +1 I've seen a few commits getting approvied without associated bug/bp id in commit message | 16:52 |
| bswartz | summit is 8 weeks from yesterday | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | there are exceptions but generally yes | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | avishay: :) | 16:52 |
| kmartin | avishay: lol | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | so everybody feel free to start proposing session topics | 16:53 |
| hemna | I have a few :P | 16:53 |
| hemna | GO | 16:53 |
| caitlin-nexenta | jgriffith: URL for submitting proposals? | 16:53 |
| avishay | as do i | 16:53 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: do you have a link to the place where we propose them? | 16:53 |
| avishay | http://summit.openstack.org/ | 16:53 |
| winston-d_ | http://summit.openstack.org | 16:53 |
| bswartz | oh that was a shorter URL than expeted | 16:54 |
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| caitlin-nexenta | Is there still a distinction between public sessions and developer sessions? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: oh yes | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: this is developer/design summit sessions | 16:54 |
| winston-d_ | caitlin-nexenta: yes | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | has nothing to do with general marketing/sales stuff | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:55 |
| bswartz | the public ones are "conference sessions" the developer ones are "design summit sessions" | 16:55 |
| caitlin-nexenta | just wanted to be sure this was the right half of the submissions. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:55 |
| kmartin | caitlin-nexenta: public has came and gone, this is the like for the design sessions | 16:55 |
| kmartin | s/like/link | 16:55 |
| winston-d_ | caitlin-nexenta: yes, summit.openstack.org is the right place for design summit | 16:56 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: how many slots do we have this time? | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | about the same as last time | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | we tend to juggle around a bit after we see how things start to turn out | 16:57 |
| avishay | cool | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | I think 11 was the initial proposal | 16:57 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: did I miss the "Consistent implementation of qos-spec in drivers" topic? | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | I guess that's about all I have | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | I can't remember what I wanted to talk about WRT QoS :) | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: haha | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: you did not, but I don't remember what the heck I had in mind there TBH | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | and it's a bit late now anyway in the release :) | 16:58 |
| winston-d_ | 00:44 < jgriffith> avishay: caitlin-nexenta I'll fix that up | 16:58 |
| hemna | do we have a "hey lets argue about standardization" session yet? | 16:59 |
| kmartin | i think it was rolling to winston-d_ solution for QoS? | 16:59 |
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| avishay | hemna: haha | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | hemna: no but we will :) | 16:59 |
| hemna | :) | 16:59 |
| bswartz | hemna: I just proposed it | 16:59 |
| bswartz | :-p | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: :) | 16:59 |
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| winston-d_ | jgriffith: so that'll become a design summit session | 16:59 |
| hemna | excellent, didn't want to miss that one. | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | so FYI, we can't punt on that one again this time | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | we really need to start using the capabilities reporting in a standard way | 17:00 |
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| avishay | maybe we can start an etherpad on it ASAP and not leave it for the summit? | 17:01 |
| winston-d_ | standardization, best part of design summit... | 17:01 |
| winston-d_ | avishay: +100 | 17:01 |
| bswartz | I plan to make some proposals in writing well in advance of the summit | 17:01 |
| avishay | maybe if we have THREE sessions on it this time... | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | avishay: probably will be a good idea, at least have a better focus going in that way | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: perfect | 17:01 |
| bswartz | and if my topic gets picked, the proposals will be REQUIRED READING before we let you in the room | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | avishay: NONO... not the 3 sessions part | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | avishay: the advanced effort part :) | 17:02 |
| avishay | jgriffith: hahah | 17:02 |
| kmartin | ok lets all watch jgriffith end the meeting | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: ha!!! | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
| avishay | drum roll please... | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 11 17:02:17 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-09-11-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-09-11-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-09-11-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | thanks everybody | 17:02 |
| winston-d_ | that was easy | 17:02 |
| avishay | thank YOU! | 17:02 |
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| winston-d_ | thanks | 17:02 |
| * hartsocks waves | 17:03 | |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 11 17:03:21 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | Greetings! Who's about? | 17:03 |
| tjones | hi | 17:03 |
| garyk | hi | 17:03 |
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| vuil | yo | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | We're past feature freeze! | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | That hopefully means there's not much in the way of blueprints to talk about. | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | Does anyone have a blueprint we need to discuss? | 17:05 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: i would like to mention a few things about the multi cluster | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | go for it. | 17:06 |
| garyk | it is a nice addition. i think that we need to do some extensive testing here. | 17:06 |
| vuil | agreed | 17:07 |
| garyk | there look like there are a few places where the _vmops parameter is not set correctly. i am checking now. | 17:07 |
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| garyk | can you guys please look at the vnc_console. this may be one of them | 17:07 |
| garyk | give me a sec and i'll paste the line | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | There's a general state keeping problem in the driver… something we may need to address in the future. | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | IE: don't keep state | 17:08 |
| garyk | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/vmwareapi/driver.py#L468 | 17:08 |
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| garyk | i think it is missing _vmops = self._get_vmops_for_compute_node(instance['node']) | 17:09 |
| garyk | but as i said we need to do additional testing | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | hmm: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/vmwareapi/driver.py#L422 | 17:10 |
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| garyk | but if the instance is on another cluster | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | I see… this is interesting… adding the multi-cluster breaks assumptions. | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | The assumption being _vmops is set at init. | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | This is definitely a problem. | 17:10 |
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| garyk | i'll test and fix tomorrow. thanks for the input | 17:11 |
| vuil | quite a few more self._vmops…. too | 17:11 |
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| hartsocks | woah… hold your horses there... | 17:11 |
| garyk | witht he work on the migrations i have seen the issues there and am dealing with them | 17:11 |
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| hartsocks | Lines 422 through 425 imply the driver's object's state is set at init time. | 17:11 |
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| hartsocks | I think this means you're going to have to switch something around. | 17:12 |
| garyk | that is for the first cluster but not for the additional ones (which are pat of the _vmops dictionary) | 17:12 |
| vuil | which means some ops only work for the first. | 17:13 |
| vuil | cluster | 17:13 |
| garyk | correct | 17:13 |
| garyk | i think that this is good that it is on the radar. harlowja | 17:13 |
| harlowja | ??? | 17:13 |
| harlowja | oh | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | I think we need to remove self._vmops and a few of these others. | 17:14 |
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| garyk | harlowja: that was a auto completion. sorry | 17:14 |
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| harlowja | np | 17:15 |
| garyk | hartsocks: i think that at this stage of the game we should do a case by case fix | 17:15 |
| garyk | i am just happy that this is on everyone radar now. i guess we can continue to discuss after the meeting | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | garyk: it will be easier to get a bug fix through case-by-case but the fact you have a self._vmops at all becomes dangerous. | 17:15 |
| garyk | agreed | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | Should we consider this a first refactor for IceHouse? | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | (spot fix the bugs naturally) | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | Something like bp/vmware_refactor_cluster_sensitive_objects | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | Then we can delete the self._vmops and other sensitive objects that might lead to a bug sneaking through. | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | The comment at 419 troubles me too… BTW. | 17:18 |
| garyk | lets hope our testing finds all of the issues so we will not need to do something like that | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/vmwareapi/driver.py#L419 | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | garyk: okay, but that design feels fundamentally wrong. | 17:19 |
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| garyk | agreed | 17:19 |
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| hartsocks | I really don't want to leave that code in place since it will let bugs slip through. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | If designed properly... | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/vmwareapi/driver.py#L468 | 17:20 |
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| hartsocks | should have thrown a NoneType exception | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | That actually troubles me more than anything else. | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | #action triage bug https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/vmwareapi/driver.py#L468 | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | garyk: you will report that bug? yes? | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | wow… I need to stop looking there... | 17:22 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: sec | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/vmwareapi/driver.py#L458 | 17:22 |
| vuil | that's the migration stuff that gary was talking about | 17:22 |
| garyk | hartsocks: i'd like to add the fix to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43616/ | 17:22 |
| garyk | i'll post and update soon | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | Okay. I did not understand what that was talking about. | 17:23 |
| garyk | vuil: yes, that is correct. i am busy working on that now | 17:23 |
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| hartsocks | #undo | 17:24 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x322a550> | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | So, let me get this straight... | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | You are fixing all these other issues that I see on that page in this bug... | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1216510 | 17:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1216510 in nova "VMware: exception when accessing invalid nodename" [Medium,In progress] | 17:25 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: that is where i think that we should have the console fix | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | console fix? | 17:27 |
| garyk | hartsocks: in addition to this i am looking into the resize issue | 17:27 |
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| garyk | have i managed to confuse everyone including myself. | 17:27 |
| garyk | sorry | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | so… what are you doing in bug 1216510? | 17:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1216510 in nova "VMware: exception when accessing invalid nodename" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216510 | 17:27 |
| garyk | in that bug fix i have done 2 things: | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | I understand we have separate issues: resize, console, etc. Are you saying these are all one bug? | 17:28 |
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| garyk | 1. made fixes to the data structure so that it does not need a redirection to get the _vmops | 17:28 |
| garyk | 2. validated that the resource exists prior to accessing | 17:28 |
| garyk | the console will be treated here too | 17:29 |
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| garyk | make sense? | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | I understand multiple patches under one bug… that I understand. | 17:29 |
| garyk | i have pushed the chnage. i guess that we can discuss it on gerrit unless you want to continue here | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | Well… I'll make it a higher priority than medium! | 17:30 |
| garyk | agreed. thanks! | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | I'm twiddling some bits on that bug… hold on... | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | okay… that's done... | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-vmwareapi-team/+bug/1216510 | 17:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1216510 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "VMware: exception when accessing invalid nodename" [Critical,In progress] | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | So, what I've done is link the bug back to a VMwareAPI-Team project. | 17:32 |
| garyk | sorry for taking up everyone times | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | Better to talk it out than fly around in the dark! | 17:32 |
| vuil | no these are impt to get right. | 17:33 |
| garyk | i have retinitis pigmentosa so i am always in the dark :) | 17:33 |
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| hartsocks | So that project is something Tracy, Dan, and I built because … notice this bug got bumped down to "Medium" … the Nova team guys didn't think our driver bugs were prioritized right. | 17:33 |
| tjones | while we are talking about bugs - im almost ready to push the bug on booting multiple instances with a concurrent image upload - but i am going to make it WIP as i'd like a few pairs of eyes on it since i am mucking with concurrency issues | 17:33 |
| garyk | tjones: great | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | tjones: yay! | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | I was going to ask about bugs next anyway… :-) | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1190515 | 17:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1190515 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "Incorrect host stats reported by VMWare VCDriver" [High,In progress] | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | That one is the only bug from my FF list that hasn't merged. | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33100/ | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | So with that at the top of my list and RC1 coming up on Sept. 26th ... | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | what else should I track? | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | (I think we got a good idea on 2 or three right now) | 17:37 |
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| * hartsocks did I kill the conversation? | 17:39 | |
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| garyk | i have a few. | 17:39 |
| vuil | gary sent out a list two days ago, and Sabari and I tagged on a few | 17:39 |
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| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41977/ - i think that we need a bug for this one | 17:39 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43268/ - vnc password | 17:40 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43616/ - we spoke about this at the beginning of the meeting | 17:40 |
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| garyk | issues with volumes - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45864/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46027/ | 17:41 |
| garyk | guess we should maybe go back to the mail list or have a wiki with all of the issues | 17:41 |
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| hartsocks | busy guy. | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | … and you're running the scheduler meetings now too! | 17:43 |
| vuil | two on my list: | 17:43 |
| vuil | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40298/: snapshot failure | 17:43 |
| vuil | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43994/: spawn failure with sparse disk | 17:44 |
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| tjones | can we just add these to the VMwareAPI-Team project so we have 1 place to track them?? | 17:45 |
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| tjones | id rather do that than a wiki that we would forget to update | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | tjones: that sounds like a good idea. | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | We also need to have a working priority system we can manage ourselves. | 17:45 |
| tjones | which we have on that list | 17:45 |
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| hartsocks | So, to me that sounds good. | 17:46 |
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| tjones | AND that list ends up being on this report - which tracks where they land http://partnerweb.vmware.com/programs/vmdkimage/customer_bugs.html | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | hurrah! | 17:47 |
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| hartsocks | So what we track there on partnerweb... | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | that's... | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | Critical = don't deploy without | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | High = Strongly recommended | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | and nothing else right now... | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | right | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | ? | 17:48 |
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| tjones | oh yeah. lets continue this discussion after the meeting. i don't want to add "yet another project" | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | But, in general… | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | I think we just need to identify things for our driver *we* | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | that is all of us... | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | would classify as "critical" or "high" | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | but the nova team would bump to "Medium" | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | So far, I'm pretty sure that's everything that has been linked to so far. | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | (in this meeting) | 17:50 |
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| hartsocks | I'll go back over the minutes and fix each related bug report to a driver-specific priority then. | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | anything else on bugs? | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | or does anyone have anything else we need to talk about as a group? | 17:52 |
| tjones | can i get some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33504/ please? | 17:52 |
| vuil | will do | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | oh no, jenkins tripped. | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | I'll look at it later. | 17:53 |
| garyk | hartsocks: that grumpy old man again. i have run a 'recheck' | 17:53 |
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| garyk | arosen: thanks for the review | 17:54 |
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| hartsocks | BTW: I've been looking at some of these Jenkins failures… lots of that testing code is multi-process, asynchronous, and uses timers! | 17:54 |
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| hartsocks | sadly, we're just going to have to kick Jenkins in the shins from time to time. | 17:55 |
| hartsocks | So it sounds like we have some really high priority issues to fix-up. | 17:57 |
| garyk | sorry guys. i need to go and put the kids to bed. | 17:57 |
| hartsocks | Just about to close the meeting anyhow. | 17:57 |
| hartsocks | Thanks. | 17:57 |
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| hartsocks | We're over in #openstack-vmware if you need us. Let's try and synchronize efforts more over there. | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 11 17:59:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-09-11-17.03.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-09-11-17.03.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-09-11-17.03.log.html | 17:59 |
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| hartsocks | Not that we were exactly getting run out of the room here! | 17:59 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 11 20:00:12 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| shardy | hey, who's around? | 20:00 |
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| bgorski | o/ | 20:00 |
| m4dcoder | o/ | 20:00 |
| andrew_plunk | o/ | 20:00 |
| timductive | o/ | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | Hi | 20:00 |
| kebray | o/ | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | ahoy | 20:00 |
| obondarev | hi | 20:01 |
| zaneb | I'm sort-of awake | 20:01 |
| kebray | randall burt is close by... currently engaged in something, but he and I are sitting in the same room. | 20:01 |
| radix | here I am | 20:01 |
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| shardy | therve, sdake, jpeeler around? | 20:02 |
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| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:03 |
| jpeeler | ah yes | 20:03 |
| shardy | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:03 |
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| shardy | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-04-20.00.html | 20:03 |
| shardy | #info randallburt to move Rackspace resources to /contrib directory | 20:03 |
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| shardy | I don't think that happened yet? | 20:04 |
| kebray | shardy he is on his way.. can you come back to this one in a moment? | 20:04 |
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| randallburt | hithere, sorry I'm late | 20:04 |
| kebray | He's worked on it... but, moving it borked a lot of other stuff, tests etc. | 20:04 |
| randallburt | working on the move | 20:04 |
| randallburt | testing is proving very difficult | 20:04 |
| shardy | #action randallburt to move Rackspace resources to /contrib directory | 20:04 |
| randallburt | may ask for a hand later this afternoon | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | Perhaps we should defer that change to icehouse. :p | 20:04 |
| randallburt | will submit wip soonish | 20:04 |
| radix | that's going to be a fun rebase for me :P | 20:04 |
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| shardy | randallburt: why is just moving them causing test issues? | 20:05 |
| radix | python path issues for the test runner maybe? | 20:05 |
| randallburt | I'm not sure how to get the tests to run | 20:05 |
| randallburt | radix: essentially, yes | 20:05 |
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| radix | randallburt: is "rackspace" going to be a toplevel python package? | 20:06 |
| randallburt | fwiw I moved the tests to contrib as well | 20:06 |
| radix | or something like that? | 20:06 |
| randallburt | radix: no | 20:06 |
| randallburt | its a copy of the heat package tree after contrib/rackspace. I'll submit a WiP and let folks see what I'm doing and hopefully offer some suggestions | 20:06 |
| shardy | randallburt: Ok, wip review sounds good then we can help work out the issues | 20:07 |
| radix | hum | 20:07 |
| randallburt | shardy: thanks | 20:07 |
| shardy | anything else to raise from last week? | 20:07 |
| shardy | #topic RC1 bugs | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 bugs (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:08 | |
| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 20:08 |
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| shardy | So the plan is to get the RC1 bug list to zero, then cut RC1 (which also opens master for Icehouse) | 20:08 |
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| shardy | So if anyone has anything they think needs to be fixed for Havana which is not on that list, please add it :) | 20:09 |
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| shardy | and we need to ensure any new bugs get appropriately targetted | 20:09 |
| shardy | Any questions re RC1 or the release cycle? | 20:09 |
| radix | shardy: what should I target kind of generic non-important bugs to? (I filed one earlier) | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | shardy: how long do we have? | 20:10 |
| shardy | radix: either heat-ongoing, or icehouse-1 | 20:10 |
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| radix | ok | 20:10 |
| shardy | depending on how soon we need to fix it (or plan to) | 20:10 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: the plan is to have all RC1's cut by the end of the month, so couple of weeks | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | Ok, then I would propose any Low bugs not already In Progress be kicked to icehouse. | 20:11 |
| shardy | but if we get the bug list to zero before that, we can branch sooner | 20:11 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Sure, we can do that | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | there are several that I see.. none of which look like they're set to the wrong priority | 20:12 |
| shardy | We also need assignees for all those (Med/High) priority which are unassigned | 20:12 |
| shardy | so please all take a look through and see if you can take one ;) | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | there are an alarming number with Status == New | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | I suspect that is just oversight though | 20:13 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: well there's 7, three of which are assigned, so I assume they should be Triaged | 20:14 |
| shardy | in comparison to Nova, we've got no problems (IIRC they have like 200 New bugs!) | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | As a heat core member, can I raise a bug and set it to Confirmed myself? | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: please do :) | 20:14 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Yes, but I normally just set it to Triaged if I'm self-confirming | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | Though I'd set it to Triaged. Confirmed is for users who have also experienced the issue. | 20:15 |
| shardy | as it's verified by a heat core member (the reporter), but not confirmed by anyone | 20:15 |
| shardy | Ok, anything else re RC1 before we move on? | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | no FFE's right? | 20:16 |
| shardy | SpamapS: no, we didn't need any in the end | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | I think that is pretty awesome. | 20:16 |
| shardy | So great work everybody getting stuff done and reviewed on time :) | 20:16 |
| zaneb | m4dcoder's patch didn't make it though | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | (or deferred on time ;) | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: the awesome part is that we are not freaking out about it :) | 20:17 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yeah was still in heavy review iterations so will have to wait for I-1 | 20:17 |
| zaneb | fair enough | 20:17 |
| shardy | zaneb: It's shaping up now tho right? | 20:17 |
| zaneb | yeah, it should be basically ready | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | was that parallel delete? | 20:17 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, we'll get that in soon after we branch then | 20:17 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: no, it was incremental update for autoscaling | 20:17 |
| shardy | stevebaker: no, UpdatePolicy | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | ah | 20:18 |
| zaneb | I think parallel delete made it | 20:18 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yeah it did, as did trusts and VPNaaS, all of which were close | 20:18 |
| zaneb | and parallel update, which was also very close :) | 20:18 |
| shardy | parallel-all-the-things ;) | 20:19 |
| * zaneb needs to rest now | 20:19 | |
| shardy | #topic Summit design session proposals | 20:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit design session proposals (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:19 | |
| shardy | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 20:19 |
| shardy | So we only have two (!) so far | 20:19 |
| obondarev | hi folks, I filed this one - http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/59 | 20:19 |
| obondarev | my name is Oleg Bondarev, I'm dev in neutron | 20:20 |
| shardy | I think we all have topics in mind, but we need to start adding them | 20:20 |
| obondarev | focusing on lbaas development but aware of other features in neutron | 20:20 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I have one coming | 20:20 |
| shardy | hey obondarev | 20:20 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I hope | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | obondarev: welcome! | 20:20 |
| randallburt | I'm thinking of a design proposal around separating out the cloud-init stuff like we talked about yesterday shardy unless is too trivial | 20:20 |
| obondarev | I'm newbie to heat but would be happy to help with neutron support improvements | 20:20 |
| shardy | I added a comment to that, what did you want to cover, which we haven't implemented for Havana? | 20:20 |
| bgorski | I add multi-region and multi-cloud Heat support for multi-region and multi-cloud | 20:20 |
| bgorski | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/58 | 20:20 |
| shardy | bgorski: yup, saw that, thanks | 20:20 |
| obondarev | shardy: I updated the description with some details | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | so core/ptl get to decide what sessions will happen right? how many slots do we have? | 20:21 |
| shardy | obondarev: Ok, thanks, will check it out! :) | 20:21 |
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| spzala | shardy: qq- for design session ideas, should we submit on summit.openstack.org directly or discuss with you/core team first? | 20:21 |
| obondarev | shardy: thanks! | 20:21 |
| tspatzier | we have maybe 3 or 4 coming, but have to do some internal consolidation yet | 20:21 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: 9 sounds familiar | 20:21 |
| * zaneb looks | 20:21 | |
| MikeSpreitzer | I am working on a design summit proposal, have to get it through some internal processes before you guys see it. | 20:21 |
| shardy | Yeah I think it's 9, looking for the schedule | 20:22 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: 9 | 20:22 |
| zaneb | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmUn0hzC1InKdDdPRXFrNjV4SW91SWF5N2gwYnRHYWc#gid=1 | 20:22 |
| zaneb | 1 more than Portland | 20:22 |
| shardy | zaneb: thanks | 20:22 |
| zaneb | taking over the world one step at a time :) | 20:22 |
| shardy | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmUn0hzC1InKdDdPRXFrNjV4SW91SWF5N2gwYnRHYWc#gid=1 | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | Things I think need to be discussed: HOT Next Steps, 100% Native Resources, Locking for multi-engine, Event table backends | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | 1 more than Portland? | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | Don't we have something like 3x the active developers now? | 20:24 |
| radix | oh | 20:24 |
| radix | I need to propose some sessions | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | we should do one of them git animations | 20:24 |
| shardy | software config resources, in-instance users, autoscaling roadmap | 20:24 |
| shardy | There are lots, but good to hear we've got ideas in the pipeline | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: I put one together last summit, it takes about 32 minutes. | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | err | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | 2 minutes | 20:25 |
| shardy | then we can start discussion over the next few meetings to decide what the shortlist is | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | shardy: any chance we can lobby for 1 or 2 more slots? | 20:25 |
| shardy | SpamapS: probably not, I think it's all decided now | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | I just think we have a _lot_ more work coming down the pipe than Portland. | 20:26 |
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| SpamapS | Ok, then we should make sure to consolidate where there is any overlap. | 20:26 |
| radix | shardy: I didn't see a response to spzala, I have the same question | 20:26 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: so do most projects, I'm guessing | 20:26 |
| radix | sorry, I have been distracted and missed some of the meeting | 20:26 |
| shardy | I think we just have to prioritize those discussions which will most benefit from f2f brainstorming, vs realtively well defined stuff | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | just submit anything you want, then we can know where the interest lies | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | spzala: I'd say submit then discuss. | 20:27 |
| radix | ok | 20:27 |
| radix | where do we submit exactly? (sorry, I've never done this) | 20:27 |
| spzala | OK, sounds great. Thanks! | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | Click the Suggest Session button | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/create | 20:27 |
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| SpamapS | radix: The session submission place is right next to the place where you buy level 34 tower swords. | 20:28 |
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| shardy | spzala, radix: just submit the suggestion | 20:28 |
| radix | ok cool | 20:28 |
| radix | thanks :) | 20:28 |
| spzala | radix: on http://summit.openstack.org/ there is a "submit session" | 20:28 |
| shardy | but obviously make sure there isn't an existing similar proposal | 20:28 |
| radix | yeah | 20:28 |
| spzala | shardy: OK, thanks! | 20:28 |
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| shardy | we won't be able to do all proposed sessions, but getting the ideas up relatively early gives us time to discuss and decide which to do | 20:29 |
| obondarev | proposals table really lacks some kind of sorting :) | 20:29 |
| obondarev | by project at least | 20:29 |
| zaneb | just be grateful they gave you a list to look at this time :D | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | One important thing.. is do not wait for the summit to start discussions on the mailing list. | 20:30 |
| obondarev | oh, there is, my bad :) | 20:30 |
| shardy | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/8 | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | There are plenty of things that do not need an entire hour of everyone's discussion time to resolve. | 20:30 |
| shardy | that's the Heat list | 20:30 |
| obondarev | yeah | 20:30 |
| shardy | SpamapS: agreed | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | The idea with the summit sessions is that when the issue requires high bandwidth communication and there are lots of opinions that need expressing, thats when we need a session. | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | But, if you just have an idea for how to make the bikeshed better.. mailing list is fine. ;) | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: yes, I'm about to kick of a discussion on HOT components, bootstrap config and hot-software-config | 20:31 |
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| shardy | anything else re summit before we continue? | 20:31 |
| spzala | SpamapS: +1 | 20:32 |
| shardy | #topic Documentation | 20:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documentation (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:32 | |
| shardy | So yeah we need a push on docs soon | 20:33 |
| shardy | who added this item? | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | I think soon is now | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | me | 20:33 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, now, but also we need to focus on more testing in the runup to RC1 | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | so we need volunteers to pick one of these and add the heat chapters https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc | 20:33 |
| shardy | should we have a docs-sprint over a couple of days maybe? | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | The two are not mutually exclusive. | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | It is quite helpful to write a piece of documentation and hand it to a tester to see if it actually works for them too. | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc/install-guide is probably the most important | 20:34 |
| radix | is help needed for adding property descriptions to all the resources? | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | On that note, do we auto-generate any docs from those? | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | radix: yes. I was thinking of raising an RC1 doc bug for every resource that lacks descriptions | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | Because.. that would be pretty sweet. :) | 20:35 |
| * randallburt remembers he had some doc things to do somewhere... | 20:35 | |
| shardy | radix: that is automated now I think | 20:35 |
| radix | stevebaker: sounds good, I'll take some | 20:35 |
| spzala | SpamapS: do we have a dedicated test team? that's cool. | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: yes we do http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/ | 20:35 |
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| SpamapS | spzala: yes, they're called "you" | 20:35 |
| radix | shardy: well, I mean adding the descriptions to the schema | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | spzala: oh and the secondary team, "me" | 20:36 |
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| spzala | SpamapS: ha ha .. OK that makes sense :) | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | So if people worked on particular resources, I would strongly encourage to assign these doc bugs to yourselves | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | spzala: but we usually just blame it on the backup team.. "them" | 20:36 |
| shardy | radix: Ah Ok, cool | 20:36 |
| spzala | SpamapS: that was my understanding too | 20:36 |
| spzala | SpamapS: :) | 20:36 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: So I'm about to raise a pile of RC1 bugs, should I make them Medium priority? | 20:37 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Yup, if you can raise them that would be great | 20:37 |
| shardy | then we all have to pitch in and take some ;) | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | so doc sprint after RC1 is out the door? | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | ah, another thing | 20:38 |
| radix | hooray | 20:38 |
| shardy | stevebaker: IMO it would be good to get RC1 proven and branched, but I guess we can have docs progressing at the same time | 20:38 |
| radix | I love writing words | 20:38 |
| shardy | provided we have enough folks willing to contribute | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | When the template writers guide is written, what style of template are we guiding them to write? HOT isn't ready, and cfn json is puke | 20:39 |
| radix | hm | 20:39 |
| radix | stevebaker: why isn't HOT ready? | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | some things can be done with native resources, others are still AWS only | 20:39 |
| radix | so... do you mean YAML vs JSON, or OS:: vs AWS::? those should be separate I think | 20:40 |
| shardy | stevebaker: what things? You can use AWS compatible resources in HOT templates | 20:40 |
| radix | I think we should use YAML everywhere | 20:40 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: I don't think that the dirth of native resources is a big issue WRT hot | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | maybe HOT is ready enough | 20:40 |
| shardy | (I know we've got loads to do on HOT btw, just want to clarify the details) | 20:40 |
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| zaneb | yaml++ | 20:40 |
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| randallburt | there is one issue I found today that I'm about to raise, but dunno if its a Big Deal. | 20:40 |
| randallburt | you can't use HOT as a provider template | 20:41 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I think if we can, we should focus docs on HOT, since there's no point in dedicating time to re-documenting AWS derived stuff | 20:41 |
| shardy | randallburt: bug please! We should fix that | 20:41 |
| randallburt | bugging now | 20:41 |
| randallburt | its something to do with the schemata stuff; I'll keep digging | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | so I think we should document the "best" way of doing things in heat's current state. Which will be yaml always, HOT where possible, native resources where possible, then fallback to AWS resources for all the autoscaling/waitcondition stuff | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | and everyone should read this http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/ | 20:43 |
| shardy | stevebaker: You are confusing native/AWS-compatible resource types with template formats I think | 20:43 |
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| shardy | But yeah, lets document what works, but lets *not* re-document stuff which people can get from AWS docs | 20:43 |
| shardy | even if we are doing a YAML rendered version of the same thing | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | shardy: I'm not. I'm trying to figure out what we should tell our users as the one best way to write templates that achieve everything they want to do | 20:44 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: IMO the best way to do that is to get all our example templates up to date (ie working on recent Fedora), and to generate *lots* more HOT examples | 20:45 |
| randallburt | shardy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1224111 | 20:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224111 in heat "HOT cannot be used as a provider template" [Undecided,New] | 20:45 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: I get your point re docs, but there's no point IMHO in generating a super comprehensive template authors guide if the whole thing will immediately get obsoleted as HOT adoption increases | 20:46 |
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| radix | I would guess that it's more of "some details will change" instead of "everything is obsolete" | 20:47 |
| kebray | In case it's helpful, here are some HOT templates that work on RS could.. .we could easily modify the resource types for generic Openstack clouds... good place to start for some examples. | 20:47 |
| kebray | github.com/heat-ci/heat-prod-templates | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | I think there will always be an excuse not to start the guide. Once we have the structure, it can be updated with more HOTness over time | 20:47 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, well IMO documenting the providers/environments stuff is a much higher priority right now | 20:48 |
| radix | stevebaker: + | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | shardy: please read http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/ | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | working example templates are not enough. | 20:48 |
| shardy | stevebaker: but I don't disagree ;) | 20:48 |
| * kebray thinks we should have named (rename) heat-ci to rs-heat-ci since it's a RS CI user. | 20:48 | |
| kebray | btw, ignore the Windows template in that link. It's a proof of concept on our specific heat API endpoint. | 20:48 |
| shardy | kebray: you could contribute some non-RS-specific examples to heat-templates ;) | 20:49 |
| stevebaker | sorry, I need to go, school run | 20:49 |
| kebray | shardy Yep :-0 | 20:49 |
| kebray | We can help with that. | 20:49 |
| kebray | Starting to work on that actually. jasond is out of office right now though. he had started converting/testing on standard vanilla openstack. | 20:50 |
| shardy | Ok 10mins, lets go to open discussion | 20:50 |
| shardy | #topic Open Discussion | 20:50 |
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| shardy | Anyone have anything to raise? | 20:51 |
| m4dcoder | shardy: just trying to understand process. when will exceptions be allowed after feature freeze? | 20:51 |
| shardy | m4dcoder: So we're in Feature Freeze now, until RC1 is branched | 20:51 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I have a discussion topic: relationship between heat and the instance-group blueprint | 20:51 |
| shardy | which we expect to be in a couple of weeks | 20:51 |
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| shardy | m4dcoder: at which point master is opened for Icehouse, so we can merge your patch | 20:52 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: You mean the nova grouped instances? | 20:52 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I mean https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/instance-group-api-extension | 20:53 |
| m4dcoder | shardy: but i mean, are exceptions typically allowed after freeze but before rc1 branch? if so, under what conditions? | 20:53 |
| shardy | m4dcoder: Feature Freeze exceptions can be requested, but IMO it's too late for that now | 20:53 |
| randallburt | Um, isn't that what Heat is for? Defining a group of artifacts and their semantic relationship to one another? | 20:54 |
| shardy | m4dcoder: most folks were requesting their FFE's last week right after h3 got cut | 20:54 |
| MikeSpreitzer | RB: yeah, that's my question | 20:54 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: I've been meaning to reply to the ML thread | 20:54 |
| randallburt | Sounds like that blueprint has a lot of overlap there, IMO. | 20:54 |
| MikeSpreitzer | "ML thread"? | 20:54 |
| randallburt | Mailing List | 20:55 |
| shardy | So, when the nova grouped instance stuff was discussed in portland, I raised this exact point | 20:55 |
| radix | huh | 20:55 |
| m4dcoder | shardy: what's the formal procedure for FFE? for next time... | 20:55 |
| shardy | I was shot down by the nova devs, who said the scheduler needed to know about all the instances and affinity/anti-affinity etc to make smarter placement decisions | 20:55 |
| m4dcoder | shardy: hopefully i won't use that next time. but good to know the procedure. | 20:55 |
| shardy | IMO it's a bit of a corner case (when your cloud is running on the edge of capacity) | 20:56 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Well, yeah, my agenda is to enable something somewhere to make smarter decisions | 20:56 |
| randallburt | I thought they were going to extend hint semantics to accomplish that? | 20:56 |
| shardy | m4dcoder: email with justifcation to openstack-dev, ref other FFE requests | 20:56 |
| m4dcoder | shardy: thanks | 20:56 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: So FWIW, I would've preferred if more hint logic was added, and the instance group stuff remained in Heat | 20:56 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I want to enable one decision-maker to get a look at all of the resources in a pattern/template/topology at the same time and make a joint decision. | 20:57 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: but the nova guys seem to want grouped instances (which don't have any dependency relationshops necessitating orchestration) | 20:57 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | The instance grouping API is explicitly disclaimed to be just the first step on a longer roadmap... | 20:58 |
| shardy | it may be that we wire up the InstanceGroup resource to use that API in due course | 20:58 |
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| randallburt | 2 min | 20:58 |
| radix | I don't understand why there isn't a list of use cases in that spec | 20:58 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: well we can take this up on the ML and at the summit, but I agree we need to be wary of scope-creep and any overlap in goals | 20:58 |
| MikeSpreitzer | OK, let's continue those ways. | 20:58 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: but also see where there is stuff we can leverage ;) | 20:58 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: thanks for raising this though :) | 20:59 |
| shardy | Ok, out of time, thanks all! | 20:59 |
| MikeSpreitzer | thank you. bye | 20:59 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 11 20:59:35 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-11-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-11-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-11-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 21:00 |
| radix | thanks guys | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 11 21:00:23 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:00 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 21:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:00 |
| thomasm | o/ | 21:00 |
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| terriyu | o/ | 21:01 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:01 |
| jd__ | hi everyone | 21:01 |
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| sileht | o/ | 21:02 |
| jd__ | #topic Review Havana RC1 milestone | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Havana RC1 milestone (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:02 | |
| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:02 |
| jd__ | we still have 2 blueprints to merge | 21:02 |
| jd__ | that have been granted FFE | 21:03 |
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| eglynn | I'll have another iteration on the alarm service partioner tmrw or Friday | 21:03 |
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| eglynn | (busy this week so far with RDO testdays) | 21:03 |
| jd__ | the deadline has been set to next week to be /merged/ so that means everything should be submitted by the end of the week | 21:03 |
| eglynn | k, understood | 21:03 |
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| dhellmann | I have time for reviews, but I've been going slow so I don't approve something against the feature freeze -- do we have a list of changesets that are OK to go in? is everything that's part of the freeze marked -2? | 21:03 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: if you're not sure just don't click on Approve | 21:04 |
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| dhellmann | k | 21:04 |
| thomasm | I can do reviews as well | 21:04 |
| sileht | jd__, I have restarted to work on the meta-alarm today I hope to send a new review of the api change tomorow | 21:04 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: otherwise if I see a bug number and that's a bug, I allow merge, otherwise, no | 21:04 |
| jd__ | sileht: cool | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 21:04 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: this one should be OK https://review.openstack.org/45244 to go ahead with | 21:04 |
| jd__ | we also need to go through the bug list and target the ones we want to fix by rc1 with the rc1 milestone in LP | 21:05 |
| jd__ | I might do that tomorrow if time allows | 21:05 |
| dragondm | o/ | 21:05 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1208365 is targeted at RC1 though you were not sure it was ok, if you've time, it'd be cool you check if we can merge the patch or not, and if we can't, remove the target on this bug | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1208365 in ceilometer "Instance:<flavor> meter should be removed" [Low,In progress] | 21:06 |
| jd__ | and I think that's it for RC1 | 21:07 |
| jd__ | questions anyone ? | 21:07 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: I'll take a look at that one | 21:07 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: thanks :) | 21:07 |
| jd__ | #topic Nova notifier plugin breaking devstack gate? | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova notifier plugin breaking devstack gate? (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:07 | |
| dhellmann | I think we need that reset_on patch for the mongo driver | 21:08 |
| jd__ | #undo | 21:08 |
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| dragondm | bot fail. | 21:08 |
| jd__ | :-) | 21:08 |
| thomasm | That's some helpful info ^^ | 21:08 |
| thomasm | =] | 21:08 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: oh you mean for the bug? | 21:08 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I don't think so, but I'll let you dig into that | 21:09 |
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| dhellmann | jog0 reported an issue with devstack gate for nova erroring out, possibly because of a timing issue introduced by the notifier plugin | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | "It looks like nova-conductor stops receiving the 'conductor.service_update' command from nova-compute at some point, after which point nova-compute's heartbeat doesn't write to the DB" | 21:09 |
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| jd__ | #topic Nova notifier plugin breaking devstack gate? | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova notifier plugin breaking devstack gate? (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:09 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1221987 | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1221987 in nova "compute node heartbeat out of sync causing scheduler to fail in devstack: VMs fail to spawn" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | we've scheduled a summit session to talk about the notifier in general | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/73 | 21:09 |
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| jd__ | cool | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | jog0 wants to disable the notifier in the devstack gate | 21:09 |
| jd__ | not cool | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | it seems like the problem is intermittent? | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | it's not clear what's going on, the process just seems to stop logging or sending data for some reason | 21:10 |
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| sandywalsh | o/ | 21:10 |
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| jd__ | anyway I don't mind if it's removed from the gate, we'll dig up a solution to remove it entirely | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's part of what that summit session will be about | 21:11 |
| gordc | dhellmann: is this the reason some of the devstack tests fail occasionally? | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | so should I tell jog0 to go ahead and remove the plugin from the devstack config in the gate? | 21:11 |
| dragondm | looks like we jjust need a new notification in Nova. | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | gordc: it seems to be related to one of many reasons, but no one can say for sure | 21:12 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: yes, we still have our unit tests anyway, that's all we had for a while anyway | 21:12 |
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| gordc | dhellmann: i see. | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | jd__: ok | 21:12 |
| jd__ | anything else on that topic? | 21:13 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 21:13 |
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| eglynn | hmmm, should we be removing the notification_driver from the config emitted by the puppet-ceilometer module also I wonder? | 21:13 |
| jd__ | haha, always one sec too soon | 21:13 |
| jd__ | #undo | 21:13 |
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| eglynn | (or is the expectation that this is a transient issue that'll be fixed?) | 21:13 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I think it's a bug that should be fixed | 21:13 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool | 21:14 |
| jd__ | if you want to be accurate about sampling, it's needed | 21:14 |
| eglynn | yep, agreed | 21:14 |
| sandywalsh | dragondm, +1 to a new notification | 21:14 |
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| jd__ | we can't afford to block the entire dev process for this, so it's better to not bother everybody and disable it in the gate for now | 21:14 |
| eglynn | +1 | 21:14 |
| dragondm | +1 | 21:14 |
| dragondm | we can fix later. | 21:14 |
| thomasm | +1 | 21:15 |
| jd__ | yes, though if we want to ship Havana bug free we should fix soon :-) | 21:15 |
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| jd__ | anything else on that topic? | 21:15 |
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| * dragondm humms "jepordy" theme | 21:16 | |
| dhellmann | my vote would be to rewrite it to use the REST API now that we have one for publishing samples | 21:16 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: hmmm, that's an idea | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | that doesn't solve the "two versions of openstack common" problem, though | 21:17 |
| eglynn | true | 21:17 |
| jd__ | that doesn't solve enough of the problem to me honestly | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | so we may actually need to put the thing in its own package | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | so it can be written by us, but just use nova code | 21:17 |
| jd__ | but I don't think I want to brainstorm right now about this neither | 21:17 |
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| dhellmann | yep | 21:18 |
| eglynn | fair nuff | 21:18 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 21:19 |
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| jd__ | we still need to do this, but the needed patch has not been merged | 21:19 |
| jd__ | it seems we need more eyes | 21:19 |
| dragondm | what's the patch? | 21:19 |
| gordc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45076/ | 21:19 |
| gordc | i'm guessing... | 21:20 |
| * eglynn will have another look 1st thing tmrw | 21:20 | |
| gordc | really just choosing that one so i can pat myself on the back for reviewing it. :) | 21:20 |
| sileht | jd__, after I have made change for this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/blueprints/alarm-api | 21:20 |
| sileht | jd__, this meter_name field will be completly removed | 21:21 |
| jd__ | ah | 21:21 |
| jd__ | sileht: well we'll release after you/someone send a patch to ceilometerclient then? | 21:21 |
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| eglynn | may as well throw in the alarm history support in the client also in that case ... | 21:22 |
| sileht | jd__, has you want, if we want have a ceilometerclient version that match the current API, we can release this now | 21:22 |
| jd__ | I don't really care | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | if we know we're not going to release with that API, we probably shouldn't release a client that expects it | 21:23 |
| jd__ | we could almost push a release upon each merge | 21:23 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I think h3 has been release with that API | 21:23 |
| jd__ | +d | 21:23 |
| jd__ | so if this patch got merge, we can release a client for h3 | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | does that mean we need to keep the argument in the client? | 21:24 |
| jd__ | then release a client for rc1 | 21:24 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: why not, mapped to a no-op | 21:24 |
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| dhellmann | well, mapped to something that adds the appropriate value to the query list | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | we need to maintain API compatibility between client releases, right? | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | of the client's API, not just the server | 21:25 |
| jd__ | I thought sileht meant it was no useless, but whatever works | 21:25 |
| sileht | sorry guys I need to go | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | the argument is being removed as a stand-alone argument, with the expectation that the caller will pass it as part of the query | 21:26 |
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| jd__ | hf sileht | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | that makes the alarm query work more like the statistics and sample queries | 21:26 |
| sileht | dhellmann, I think is not too hard to keep compatibility | 21:26 |
| sileht | jd__, ^ | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | sileht: agreed, I just want to make sure that's what we do :-) | 21:26 |
| jd__ | fine with me :) | 21:26 |
| sileht | I have already done same kind of code to convert old alarm in mongo | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:27 |
| sileht | bye see you later @all | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | later, sileht! | 21:27 |
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| eglynn | sileht: 'night | 21:28 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 21:28 |
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| dhellmann | nick has a doc change that looks like it's got a few minor comments on it -- does anyone feel strongly that it can't merge as-is and have those changes come in a new changeset? | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44774/3 | 21:28 |
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| dhellmann | gordc, I think the -1 is yours | 21:29 |
| gordc | dhellmann: i'm fine with merging what stands. | 21:29 |
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| gordc | comments i made aren't showstoppers. | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, approved, thanks | 21:30 |
| gordc | dhellmann: cool cool. | 21:30 |
| nealph | other comments were mine...that's fine. | 21:30 |
| eglynn | FYI decent enough validation of the havana-3 packaging of ceilo for Fedora & derivatives during the recent RDO testdays | 21:31 |
| eglynn | #link http://openstack.redhat.com/RDO_Test_Day_September_2013 | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: excellent! | 21:31 |
| eglynn | funnily enough main niggles were with mongo | 21:31 |
| eglynn | inordinately slow "service mongod start" on small resource-constrained installs | 21:32 |
| eglynn | presumably because of the eager journal file prealloaction | 21:32 |
| eglynn | either way, caused systemd timeouts for some users | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | seems likely | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | :-/ | 21:32 |
| eglynn | other than that, all goodness | 21:32 |
| jd__ | mongodb :/ | 21:33 |
| eglynn | my feelings precisely ... ;) | 21:34 |
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| jd__ | closing in one minute :) | 21:35 |
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| jd__ | #endmeeting | 21:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 11 21:36:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-09-11-21.00.html | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-09-11-21.00.txt | 21:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-09-11-21.00.log.html | 21:36 |
| jd__ | good night/afternoon guys! | 21:36 |
| jd__ | and happy hacking | 21:36 |
| thomasm | Have a great one! | 21:37 |
| terriyu | you too | 21:37 |
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