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| garyk | guys around for the scheduling meeting? | 15:00 |
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| alaski | I'm here, but in another meeting for 15 minutes or so | 15:01 |
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| garyk | ok, i guess we can give them a few minutes | 15:01 |
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| garyk | glikson: PhilD: you guys ready to start | 15:03 |
| PhilD | Sure | 15:03 |
| glikson | yep | 15:03 |
| glikson | (in parallel with a phone call, though) | 15:03 |
| garyk | #startmeeting scheduling | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 10 15:04:00 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is garyk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduling' | 15:04 |
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| PhilD | I don't have much for this week - other that to say that I set up the etherpad for the summit sessions: | 15:04 |
| garyk | #topic summit sessions | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit sessions (Meeting topic: scheduling)" | 15:04 | |
| garyk | yeah, i'll post that link in a sec | 15:04 |
| PhilD | https://etherpad.openstack.org/IceHouse-Nova-Scheduler-Sessions | 15:04 |
| PaulMurray | Hi all, sorry late | 15:05 |
| garyk | PhilD: thanks for putting this together | 15:05 |
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| PhilD | NPO | 15:05 |
| PhilD | NP | 15:05 |
| garyk | how about we go over the sections and then see if people want to take on open issues | 15:06 |
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| PhilD | Sure | 15:06 |
| garyk | #topic scheduler metrics and ceilometer | 15:07 |
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| garyk | i know there was a lot of discussion about this and sadly we did not make much progress with the patches in H | 15:07 |
| PhilD | Could do with someone to put themselves forward as the lead for this session | 15:07 |
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| PaulMurray | I would be happy to do that | 15:08 |
| PhilD | Sold :-) | 15:08 |
| garyk | Cool. Maybe you can also be in touch with the guys who worked on the patches. | 15:08 |
| PaulMurray | Yes, I was also involved | 15:09 |
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| PaulMurray | in the discussions. | 15:09 |
| garyk | #action PaulMurray to lead the metrics scheduling | 15:09 |
| PhilD | I put down what i thought were the possible models - but I think it would be good if we could go into the summit with a strawman proposal. | 15:09 |
| garyk | great | 15:09 |
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| PhilD | (to avoid it just becoming another round of discussion) | 15:09 |
| garyk | PhilD: that is a great idea. The more we can crystalize ideas prior to the summit the better. | 15:10 |
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| garyk | anything else on the metrics? | 15:10 |
| PaulMurray | The references are things I know of - if there are others that should be there please let me know | 15:10 |
| PaulMurray | I am pmurray@hp.com | 15:11 |
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| garyk | Ok, so moving to the next topic | 15:11 |
| garyk | #topic image properties and host capabilities | 15:12 |
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| PhilD | I think this one needs fleshing out by you Gary | 15:12 |
| garyk | Correct. I'll fill in the gaps for next weeks meeting. | 15:12 |
| garyk | Don also expressed interest in this one. | 15:12 |
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| garyk | #topic scheduler performance | 15:14 |
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| garyk | boris-42: you around? i saw an initial WIP patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45867/ | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | garyk yes that is our work | 15:15 |
| boris-42 | garyk around Scheduler as a Service | 15:15 |
| boris-42 | garyk without fanout, scalable and flexible solution | 15:15 |
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| PhilD | boris-42, can you check the doc link I posted - it points to a version updated 13.08.13, and I think I saw you say there was a recent update ? | 15:16 |
| garyk | understood. so you are fine with leadning this session proposal at summit | 15:16 |
| garyk | https://etherpad.openstack.org/IceHouse-Nova-Scheduler-Sessions | 15:16 |
| boris-42 | garyk PhilD if nobody is against I will lead this session | 15:16 |
| garyk | boris-42: i am in favor | 15:16 |
| PhilD | +1 | 15:16 |
| boris-42 | garyk PhilD due sammit we will get all patches + real numbers from Rally | 15:17 |
| PhilD | (someone has to catch the rocks right ;-) | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | =) | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | yeah=) | 15:17 |
| garyk | boris-42: i think that it is important to address issues raised on the db performance patches - for example scenarious used etc. | 15:17 |
| garyk | (my spelling is bad sorry) | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | garyk actually we are going to get results from real openstack deployments | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | garyk I got 1k servers so I will test it in different configurations and different scenarios | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | garyk we should get results from real deployments not only DB load and so on | 15:18 |
| garyk | undertood, but i think that in order to convince the community we need to be able to explain the test bed. | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | garyk you will be able to repeat this experiments | 15:19 |
| boris-42 | garyk with Rally https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally | 15:19 |
| garyk | it would be nice if we could have some concensus regarding the performance tests that we would like done for the profiling | 15:19 |
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| garyk | boris-42: ok, i'll take a look | 15:19 |
| garyk | boris-42: do we have a list of bottlenecks? | 15:20 |
| boris-42 | garyk performance tests will be like run 1000 instances 10 simuntaneolsly by 100 requests to Nova | 15:20 |
| boris-42 | garyk not yet | 15:20 |
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| boris-42 | garyk rally is not finished | 15:20 |
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| boris-42 | garyk I mean I know about some bottlenecks | 15:20 |
| boris-42 | garyk but it will be better to get it with Rally (when it will be finished) | 15:21 |
| garyk | boris-42: :). i guess that it is a process. | 15:21 |
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| garyk | does anybody have anything else regarding the performance session? | 15:21 |
| garyk | #topic scheduling across services | 15:22 |
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| garyk | boris-42: you are also listed on this one | 15:22 |
| garyk | PhilD: is this a generic scheduler? | 15:23 |
| PhilD | This was a tricky topic last year - as it has potential overlap into Heat and other services | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | garyk PhilD our approach contains points around getting one scheduler with all data to make scheduling for all services | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | garyk PhilD so as it is the part of our new approach I will be glad to present how to solve it without pain=) | 15:24 |
| PhilD | I tried to capture the use cases I remembered from last year - there may be others. | 15:24 |
| garyk | PhilD: ok, thanks for the clarifications | 15:24 |
| garyk | boris-42: this is going to be challenging as it involves other projects | 15:25 |
| alaski | To me it doesn't seem like we want to talk about a scheduler outside of these services yet, more about what should each service expose so that scheduling decisions could be made | 15:25 |
| PhilD | A proposal to fix it would be good. If we think it affects other projects we should call that out to Russell so he can schedule (Sic) accordingly | 15:25 |
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| boris-42 | garyk in case of cinder and nova | 15:25 |
| boris-42 | garyk it is really pretty simple | 15:25 |
| garyk | alaski: good point | 15:26 |
| PhilD | alaski - that may be a good approach - it at least bounds the problem to one that those in the session might be able to agree on | 15:26 |
| garyk | yeah, i completely agree | 15:26 |
| PhilD | Aside from just info, we need to discuss what kinds of reservations need to be exposed | 15:26 |
| garyk | alaski: would you like to work with boris-42 on this one? | 15:27 |
| alaski | garyk: sure | 15:27 |
| boris-42 | garyk working on what? | 15:27 |
| alaski | PhilD: right | 15:27 |
| boris-42 | garyk sorry I miss something=) | 15:27 |
| alaski | boris-42: scheduling across services | 15:27 |
| boris-42 | alaski we already have approach how to make it in cinder and nova | 15:28 |
| alaski | or at least a first step in that direction | 15:28 |
| boris-42 | alaski I mean one scheduler | 15:28 |
| boris-42 | alaski it is really easy | 15:28 |
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| boris-42 | alaski we will prepare docs | 15:28 |
| garyk | boris-42: i am not sure that it is that easy. | 15:28 |
| boris-42 | alaski and patches | 15:28 |
| boris-42 | garyk it is about 500 simple lines of code | 15:29 |
| alaski | boris-42: I'm interested to see what you have | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | garyk and the hardest are already on review=) | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | alaski we will publish soon other pathces=) | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | alaski I will ping you=) | 15:29 |
| garyk | boris-42: what alaski proposes is for us to first look at the data that we want to use and then decide onhow to move forwards. | 15:29 |
| PhilD | @boris-42: So does you're solution live just within Nova ? | 15:29 |
| boris-42 | PhilD yes | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | PhilD I mean actually we are changing only few places | 15:30 |
| Yathiraj | boris, can you please share more details on what you have on cinder + nova single scheduler.. I am interested on this single scheduler | 15:30 |
| garyk | boris-42: you solution may be great but we need a community concensus. once we get that it will be a lot easier to get it though the review process | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | garyk PhilD Yathiraj I think that IRC meeting is not good place for this | 15:30 |
| boris-42 | garyk PhilD Yathiraj we should update and improve our docs | 15:31 |
| garyk | so is it ok to say that alaski and boris-42 will take the leads on this? | 15:31 |
| boris-42 | garyk PhilD Yathiraj publish our pathces | 15:31 |
| Yathiraj | boris, Is there a blueprint, or some already committed code fore review.. OK.. a link should be fine - yudupi@cisco.com is my email | 15:31 |
| boris-42 | and then discuss=) | 15:31 |
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| PhilD | I think the key here is showing that any proposed solution can be extended to cover any use case - so if it works great for Nova and Cinder but canl twork for Neutron | 15:31 |
| alaski | garyk: works for me | 15:31 |
| PhilD | then it will be a struggle to get consensus. | 15:31 |
| garyk | great! | 15:31 |
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| boris-42 | PhilD agree | 15:31 |
| boris-42 | PhilD let we write on papers and UML diagrams and patches our thoughts | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | PhilD it will be easier to discuss=) | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | PhilD especially around Neutron=) | 15:32 |
| PhilD | Agreed we can't resolve the design here - what we want to do is make sure teh DS session is set up to give us the best chance of a decsion on the way forward | 15:32 |
| PhilD | Cool - add the links to the etherpad | 15:32 |
| garyk | boris-42: can we check that it compiles (or in our case interprets) on paper first, then go to the patches | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | garyk papers are not ready yet.. | 15:33 |
| garyk | can we move to the next topic? | 15:33 |
| boris-42 | garyk but they will be on this week | 15:33 |
| garyk | boris-42: cool. no rush we are still discussing things | 15:33 |
| garyk | #topic private clouds | 15:34 |
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| garyk | PhilD: alaski: you guys are taking the helm here? | 15:34 |
| PhilD | Yep | 15:34 |
| alaski | yes | 15:34 |
| garyk | great. anything else you want to mention about this or should we move to the next topic | 15:34 |
| PhilD | I'm happy to move on | 15:35 |
| alaski | +1 | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | sorry guys I have to go=) | 15:35 |
| garyk | boris-42: ok, thankd | 15:35 |
| garyk | #topic multiple scheduler policies | 15:35 |
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| garyk | glikson: you around? | 15:35 |
| glikson | more or less.. | 15:36 |
| garyk | glikson: you ok for leading this one? | 15:36 |
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| glikson | sure | 15:36 |
| garyk | is there anything else you would like to mention? | 15:37 |
| glikson | few more folks from IBM are likely to join, and anyone else is also welcome | 15:37 |
| glikson | not at the moment, I think | 15:37 |
| garyk | ok | 15:37 |
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| garyk | #topic additional sessions | 15:38 |
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| garyk | Are there additional sessions that people would like to propose or did we miss something? | 15:38 |
| garyk | I know that debo wanted to address scheduling of resources as a follow up to the instance groups. we need to add this to the etherpad | 15:39 |
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| alaski | I'm going to be looking at using the Taskflow library for instance creation, but I'm in POC stage right now | 15:40 |
| alaski | and it's only incidentally related to scheduling | 15:40 |
| PhilD | garyk - do you know enough about what debo wanted to outline teh session on the etherpad ? | 15:40 |
| garyk | alaski: can you elaborate a little to save us a few google searches | 15:40 |
| garyk | PhilD: not off hand. i'll ask him to add it and mail you. | 15:41 |
| PhilD | Sounds like group scheduling *might* be something that could be rolled into "scheduling accross services" ? The titles aren't cast in stone if we find there are topics that are related | 15:42 |
| alaski | garyk: Taskflow is a library for handling "orchestration" of workflows. Essentially it should allow for steps of instance creation to be stopped, persisted, resumed, retried on failures, etc... | 15:42 |
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| PhilD | Isn't that where Heat fits in ? | 15:42 |
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| alaski | garyk: but the first step is querying scheduler, not having it proxy. My work on that didn't quite make it into H so I'm picking it up in I | 15:42 |
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| garyk | alaski: ok, understtod | 15:43 |
| alaski | PhilD: this is at the compute host level | 15:43 |
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| alaski | PhilD: so lower level than Heat sees things | 15:43 |
| PhilD | Ah, OK, Are you working with Josh from Y! on that ? (I think he had some ideas / opinions on that) | 15:44 |
| alaski | PhilD: not directly yet, but should be later | 15:44 |
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| PhilD | (at least with all this stuff carrying over from H we have a flying start on changes for I ;-) | 15:44 |
| garyk | I certainly hope so. Some of us are licking our wounds with the scheduling features that did not makes it :) | 15:45 |
| garyk | do we have ny other items to bring up regarding the summit session proposals? | 15:46 |
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| alaski | I have another not fully scheduler related topic, resource tracker | 15:46 |
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| alaski | I don't know how far outside of the scheduler itself we want to get here | 15:46 |
| garyk | alaski: I think that it is a scheduler related topic | 15:46 |
| alaski | right now the resource tracker is in memory on compute nodes | 15:47 |
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| PhilD | Is that distinct from the "Scheduler metrics & Ceilometer" topic - I kind of see resource tracking as part of that | 15:47 |
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| alaski | I would like to query it from conductor | 15:47 |
| alaski | PhilD: hmm, not sure | 15:47 |
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| garyk | alaski: would that not just be an implementation detail? | 15:48 |
| alaski | garyk: mostly, but in doing so there's an idea to maybe change the interface a bit. Or at least consolidate it with claims somehow | 15:48 |
| PaulMurray | alaski: this came up around metrics - or rather vs metrics | 15:49 |
| alaski | and it will involve persisting it outside of the compute, and synchronizing access | 15:49 |
| PaulMurray | alaski: what is it you have in mind | 15:49 |
| garyk | alaski: understood. | 15:49 |
| PhilD | Kind of feels like it should be part of the "how do we keep track of stuff we need to count / measure" session (maybe that would be a better title for teh first session) | 15:49 |
| PaulMurray | PhilD: that's what I was thinging | 15:50 |
| PaulMurray | thinking | 15:50 |
| alaski | PaulMurray: my main concern is actually about creating a claim without round tripping to the compute | 15:50 |
| PhilD | good - then we thing alike ;-) | 15:50 |
| garyk | alaski: i think that that could also be related to debo's topic (but he is not around to discuss it). could we discuss this in more detail next week? | 15:50 |
| alaski | garyk: sure | 15:50 |
| PaulMurray | garyk: agreed | 15:50 |
| PhilD | Maybe capture some points on the EP in the meantime ? | 15:50 |
| garyk | #action discuss resource tracker next week | 15:51 |
| PhilD | I'd kind of like to have that as a working scratchpad | 15:51 |
| garyk | PhilD: good idea? | 15:51 |
| garyk | do we want to address BP's that did not make H? | 15:52 |
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| garyk | or will we go with PhilD's idea of starting I with a bang | 15:52 |
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| alaski | I would like to mention that some work I've been doing is a little at odds with other work I've seen | 15:53 |
| alaski | Not incompatible, but we should all be aware of what's going on | 15:53 |
| garyk | alaski: good point. | 15:53 |
| PhilD | Might be useful to at least capture the BPs that we are carrying over that aren't covered by the planned sessions | 15:54 |
| garyk | Sadly the instance groups is being carried over - we had issues with the API\ | 15:54 |
| garyk | That is, the user facing API | 15:54 |
| alaski | I'm working to remove schedule_run_instance in favor of select_destinations in the scheduler. So some of the instance_group work is going to get moved elsewhere for that | 15:55 |
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| garyk | ok, np. i don't think that where it is run is an issue. the idea and how the policies are implemented is what is important | 15:56 |
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| alaski | garyk: that's what I figured. I dont want to break anything or make it any harder. I just want things handled in the right place, which may end up being the conductor | 15:56 |
| garyk | alaski: sounds reasonable. | 15:57 |
| PhilD | One topic I would like an opinion on - teh change to add a get scheduler hints APi failed at the last hurdle to make H because there was an objection to introducting a scheduler/api.py (it was seen as to trivial a pass through to be worth adding) | 15:57 |
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| garyk | PhilD: i would have liked to have seen that one get through. It was ready very earky in the H cycle | 15:58 |
| PhilD | My thinking was that we should be moving away from having things other that the scheduler direclty calling scheduler/rpsapi.p | 15:58 |
| PhilD | rpcapi.py | 15:58 |
| PhilD | @Gary - yep, it was all there and working, and this file had been there since June ;-( | 15:58 |
| PhilD | I didn't think it was worth a FFE for though | 15:59 |
| garyk | I think it could have been worth a shot (nothing to lose) | 15:59 |
| garyk | i think that we have run out of time | 15:59 |
| PhilD | But the general question was, what do folks think about having a scheduler/api.py ? | 15:59 |
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| alaski | PhilD: I'm fine with it. I'm not sure how necessary it is without seeing it, but it fits the model we use elsewhere | 16:00 |
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| garyk | PhilD: i agree | 16:00 |
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| garyk | sorry guys i am going to have to end now. lets continue next week. | 16:00 |
| PhilD | Its not *necessary* for the get_hints call - but at some point (query scheduler maybe) I'm sure we'll need it. | 16:00 |
| PhilD | NP - bye all | 16:01 |
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| garyk | irc://chat.freenode.com:6667/#endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| garyk | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 10 16:01:58 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduling/2013/scheduling.2013-09-10-15.04.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduling/2013/scheduling.2013-09-10-15.04.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduling/2013/scheduling.2013-09-10-15.04.log.html | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 10 16:02:33 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | Hi guys | 16:02 |
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| alexpilotti | who's around today? | 16:03 |
| hanrahat | hanrahat's here | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | hi Tom! | 16:03 |
| iben | Iben's here... | 16:03 |
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| alexpilotti | let's wait a couple of minutes to see if anybody joins | 16:03 |
| iben | streaming live from the SDDC Symposium in Santa Clara, CA | 16:04 |
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| alexpilotti | iben: hi there! | 16:04 |
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| ociuhandu | hi all | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | ok let's start | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | #topic H3 | 16:05 |
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| alexpilotti | Things went fairly well in the end, as most of the blueprints got accepted and merged | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | Since it's a big amount of features, we need to test as much as possible in the next few weeks | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | Havana will be cut in roughly one month | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | another good news is that Hyper-V 2012 R2 has been released yesterday | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | for MSDN subscribers only for now, but it's already RTM | 16:08 |
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| hanrahat | alexpilotti: I've updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Hyper-V#Code to reflect h3 but we also need to think about documentation soon. | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | hanrahat: great job, thanks | 16:09 |
| iben | cool | 16:09 |
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| alexpilotti | the amount of Hyper-V features is becoming fairly large, so it's definitely important to do that | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | #action update Hyper-V docs for Havana | 16:10 |
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| alexpilotti | let's get now into detail about some of the blueprints that need special attention | 16:10 |
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| alexpilotti | #topic Ceilometer | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/hyper-v-agent | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | The inspector merged and we're in the process of adding the ceilometer agent in our installer to make it easily available in most OpenStack Hyper-V installations | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | It's based on the Hyper-V metrics API, introduced in 2012 | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | CPU and network metrics are available with 2012, while disk metrics require 2012 R2 | 16:13 |
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| alexpilotti | this needs to be pointed out in the upcoming documentation | 16:13 |
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| alexpilotti | to avoid useless waste of resources, the metrics are not enabled in nova and neutron by default | 16:14 |
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| alexpilotti | enable_instance_metrics_collection must be set to true | 16:15 |
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| alexpilotti | in the config options | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | the installer will do it automatically of course, but it needs to be pointed out in case of manual installation | 16:16 |
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| alexpilotti | #topic WMI V2 | 16:17 |
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| alexpilotti | all Hyper-V related OpenStack projects are now using WMI V2 on Windows >= 2012 | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | so 2012 R2 compute nodes are perfectly feasible | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | we're thinking about back porting this code to grizzly (outside of the tree of course) | 16:18 |
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| alexpilotti | #topic VHDX | 16:19 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-vhdx | 16:19 |
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| alexpilotti | As already widely discussed, VHDX allows us to improve performance in local storage and to resize differencing (CoW) disks | 16:20 |
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| alexpilotti | there's one consideration related to the format | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | AFAIK there are no open source converters that manage VHDX | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | when users want to convert images (e.g. QCow2) the usually employ qemu-img convert | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | which currently supports VHD, but not VHDX | 16:21 |
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| alexpilotti | to avoid having most people using the old format, it might be wise to contribute the VHDX conversion bits to qemu-img | 16:22 |
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| alexpilotti | currently, users need to convert QCow2 -> VHD and then VHD -> VHDX | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | (the latter on Windows, e.g. by using Powershell) | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Cinder | 16:24 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/windows-storage-driver-extended | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: ping | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro took care as usual of the Cinder bits | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | he's not joining us today, so we'll postpone details about this for next time | 16:25 |
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| alexpilotti | #topic Ephemeral storage | 16:26 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-ephemeral-storage | 16:26 |
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| alexpilotti | Not much to say on this topic, beside the fact that now we have it as well :-) | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | it supports of course VHD and VHDX | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | with the former used in case the platform is < 2012 | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Dynamic memory | 16:27 |
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| alexpilotti | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-dynamic-memory | 16:27 |
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| alexpilotti | And finally, memory ballooning has been included as well | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | a simple property has been used to set the default percentage on the compute node | 16:28 |
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| alexpilotti | we might think about extending this with an image property in the future | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | #topic general discussion | 16:29 |
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| alexpilotti | In the next week we'll test all the bits and make sure that everything works as expected | 16:30 |
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| alexpilotti | especially on 2012 R2 | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | If anybody has anything to add this is a good moment :-) | 16:31 |
| hanrahat | alexpilotti: let's talk offline about how I can help with the documentation | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | hanrahat: sure! | 16:31 |
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| alexpilotti | Ok, that's all folks for today! | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | #endmeeting | 16:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 10 16:32:14 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-09-10-16.02.html | 16:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-09-10-16.02.txt | 16:32 |
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| stevemar | hola? | 18:00 |
| henrynash | hi | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | hey | 18:00 |
| fabiog | Hi | 18:00 |
| stevemar | hello everyone | 18:00 |
| stevemar | our fearless leader is in -dev | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
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| gyee | \o | 18:01 |
| ayoung | Heyo | 18:01 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 18:01 |
| ayoung | RDO/Fedora test day...I've been packstacking all morning | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 10 18:01:55 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| dolphm | YAY HAVANA | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | #topic Havana release blockers | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 18:02 |
| topol | hi | 18:02 |
| dolphm | speaking of packstacking all day... ayoung, you've got three RC blockers assigned to you -- are you working all of those? | 18:02 |
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| henrynash | so #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1201487 is available fore review | 18:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1201487 in keystone "listing projects for a user omits those that only have group related roles" [High,In progress] | 18:03 |
| dolphm | i just want to make sure that everything we have targeted towards RC1 is making progress | 18:03 |
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| atiwari | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1221889 working on it | 18:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1221889 in keystone "Invalid X-Subject-Token results in HTTP 401 rather than 404" [High,In progress] | 18:04 |
| dolphm | (cc henrynash) i also just updated the meeting agenda with code reviews to havana release blockers https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, when is the submission freeze for RC1? | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ASAP? it's done when it's done | 18:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: hence 'blockers' | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | is there a reason keystone returns 401 and not 404 (security?) | 18:04 |
| dolphm | bknudson: context? | 18:04 |
| henrynash | dolphm: excellent | 18:04 |
| bknudson | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1221889 | 18:04 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i think that's just a bug | 18:05 |
| dolphm | bknudson: disagrees with spec, and with auth_token's expectations | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm ++ on that being a bug | 18:05 |
| bknudson | ok. I hadn't looked at it, just looked fishy. | 18:05 |
| dolphm | atiwari: thanks! | 18:05 |
| atiwari | yrw | 18:05 |
| henrynash | dolphm: as an aside, I will also post a review for a solution to #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1153645 tonight as well | 18:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1153645 in keystone "Deleting a role should revoke any tokens associated with it" [High,Confirmed] | 18:06 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: not in the rc1 list, but it is rated High | 18:06 |
| dolphm | henrynash: should that be a release blocker? | 18:06 |
| dolphm | henrynash: "need to refactor the code" means i'm scared to land in havana :) | 18:07 |
| henrynash | dolphm: turned out to be much easier than I thought..I forgot I had written the list_role_assignments() method, I can just use that to get all the uses that have the roel we are deleting | 18:08 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: so very relatively small change | 18:08 |
| dolphm | henrynash: cool | 18:08 |
| dolphm | henrynash: targeted | 18:09 |
| henrynash | dolphm: ok | 18:09 |
| dolphm | if anyone has any other bugs in progress that *should* be release blockers, feel free to point them out :) i've been trying to identify as many as possible | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | i also have this one targeted which just needs to be investigated, at least https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1131590 | 18:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1131590 in keystone "the folsom keystone database schema can't upgrade to latest version" [High,Confirmed] | 18:09 |
| ayoung | How's morganfainberg | 18:09 |
| ayoung | 's work on domains coming? | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, review is posted | 18:10 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: passing jenkins? | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yes | 18:10 |
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| gyee | link? | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | sec | 18:10 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/45649 | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45649/ | 18:10 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45649/ | 18:10 |
| dolphm | #winner dolphm | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | heh, anyone else? | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | lol | 18:11 |
| henrynash | morgafainberg: so I noticed you kind of pulled back from removing the user/group validation checks form the grant calls | 18:11 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, anything in that that you would consider "scope creep" besides URL encoding the IDs? | 18:11 |
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| henrynash | morganfainberg: was that just too minimise change/risk? | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i didn't address full DNs as user_ids. | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that could be a large amount of change risk | 18:12 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:12 |
| dolphm | save that for icehouse, and do it project-wide :) | 18:12 |
| gyee | wow, user_id is not globally unique? | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, i was working towards minimizing risk, but i pulled a some of "check user_id/project_id" out of the drivers and pushed to the controllers where i could | 18:13 |
| bknudson | user_id won't be globally unique if use DNs | 18:13 |
| dolphm | gyee: it's now "complicated" in the case of users and identity-backend-per-domain | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | or .. brought it in line with the other implementations | 18:13 |
| gyee | dolphm, that will be messy | 18:13 |
| dolphm | gyee: +++++++++ | 18:13 |
| henrynash | gyee: yes, it still is…but you might not know which domain to look in | 18:13 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yes they will | 18:13 |
| ayoung | DNs will be per LDAP server....if you use the same DN twice, you are wrong wrong wrong | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | if you have a complete DN being duplicated, i'm going to raise an abiguous ldap server error :P | 18:14 |
| dolphm | bknudson: shouldn't they vary per DC? | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, they should. | 18:14 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i assume that's how you're selecting the LDAP driver to use? | 18:14 |
| gyee | DN, by definition, is globally unique | 18:14 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I still think we want to look at the ID and say "ah, that is a DN, let us parse it, and figure out which LDAP server to talk to" in icehouse | 18:14 |
| jamielennox | i though user_id was unique username was supposed to be unique per domain | 18:14 |
| bknudson | DNs could vary, but then someone might just store by cn=Users. | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that was my thought | 18:15 |
| ayoung | bknudson, and then only one LDAP server will be allowed to do that in a deployment...and everyone else is SOL | 18:15 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: ++ | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, user_id should be globally unique. | 18:15 |
| bknudson | also, our LDAP can also use cn for the userid attribute | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, and you're right, username is domain unique | 18:15 |
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| henrynash | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | ok, must of misread the conversation | 18:16 |
| dolphm | bknudson: user.name=cn, user.id=dn ? | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but does the fully qualified DN ever change? | 18:16 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, no, you did not, he is explicitly putting a domain check on the lookup by user_id | 18:16 |
| gyee | dolphm, that's usually the case | 18:16 |
| bknudson | dolphm: that would be ok, but we currently have the user id is the cn, I think? | 18:16 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i think so too | 18:17 |
| ayoung | oh, wait...not, that is not what you are doing, is it | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, we do. that is why i didn't want to tackle this change in havana | 18:17 |
| ayoung | you are just confirm after lookup..that is much better | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung ++ | 18:17 |
| bknudson | if we're going to change it, it'll take a release of deprecated. | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, and migration paths. | 18:18 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:18 |
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| bknudson | I'm getting asked about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43041 | 18:18 |
| bknudson | "Support client generate literal ipv6 auth_uri base on auth_host" | 18:18 |
| bknudson | my opinion is that it's supported already if you can put [] in auth_host | 18:18 |
| bknudson | but others might have different opinions so would be nice to get wider input | 18:19 |
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| gyee | bknudson, yeah, host is just a string | 18:20 |
| bknudson | also, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45488/ -- it's a doc change | 18:20 |
| gyee | you can also tunnel IPv6 over IPv4 right? | 18:20 |
| topol | bknudson all the bug fix does is add []. you are saying that is an uneeeded convenience function? | 18:20 |
| bknudson | topol: yes, an unnecessary complication of the code. | 18:20 |
| gyee | bknudson, yeah, seem unnecessary | 18:21 |
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| bknudson | note that I haven't actually tried putting [] in auth_host myself yet... haven't had time. | 18:21 |
| ayoung | gyee, I don't thien IPv6 over IPv4 is what people are looking for | 18:21 |
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| gyee | ayoung, point is auth_token itself doesn't know | 18:22 |
| gyee | and probably don't care | 18:22 |
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| dolphm | gyee: bknudson: ayoung: i suspect this is poor interplay between token providers, business logic distributed between controller/manager/driver, driver separation etc, but there's a lot of redundant queries to LDAP in a single POST /tokens call http://ix.io/7Xg | 18:22 |
| ayoung | bknudson, if they are doing IPv6, then the problem is, I think, DNS. THe hostname should only resolve to a AAAA record, and the client should deal with that directly | 18:23 |
| bknudson | dolphm: the logging when using LDAP is pretty crazy | 18:23 |
| bknudson | ayoung: yes, I'd also say use DNS. | 18:23 |
| ayoung | we should not be advocating oputting IP address, V4 or V6, into URLs | 18:23 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: caching reduces the load on LDAP in the above request from like ~22 queries to ~5 | 18:23 |
| ayoung | bknudson, rip out the logging! | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, nice. | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, it'll only get better as we implement more caching | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: bknudson: it's not just logging. it's the issuing tons of redundant queries to LDAP for the same data over and over | 18:24 |
| ayoung | <steve_perry> Shoulda been gone, long ago, far away!</steve_perry> | 18:24 |
| bknudson | ayoung: but the logging is also an indication we're doing something wrong (e.g. new connection per query) | 18:24 |
| gyee | yeah, that logging's a lot of noise | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it seems like a pool like sqlalchemy session pooling would make sense for LDAP. though… that has other pitfalls | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: bknudson: blueprint and make go! https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ldappool/ | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, +++++ | 18:25 |
| ayoung | No | 18:25 |
| ayoung | that is the wrong approach for LDAP | 18:25 |
| gyee | is connection pool reliable in Python land? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | What we are doingright now is using a manager account | 18:26 |
| ayoung | we should, instead, be using the same ldap connection that we used to authenticate the user, and do things as that user | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | That wauy, LDAP ACLs are enforced | 18:26 |
| dolphm | ayoung: how does that make connection pooling 'the wrong approach'? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | dolphm, a connection pool only makes sense for the manager case | 18:27 |
| ayoung | dolphm, we create a connection for authentication right now, using the simple bind | 18:27 |
| ayoung | there are other things we can do that have the same capabilities | 18:27 |
| dolphm | ayoung: pretty sure ldappool covers that use case, check out the docs | 18:27 |
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| morganfainberg | i also think we can restructure the ldap driver to not make as many redundant queries. but it'll be a lot of shuffling code around. | 18:28 |
| bknudson | looks like the pool can provide differently-auth'd conns: | 18:28 |
| bknudson | with cm.connection('uid=adminuser,ou=logins,dc=mozilla', 'password') as conn: | 18:28 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:28 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:28 |
| ayoung | we need to stop providing user-list | 18:28 |
| gyee | huh | 18:29 |
| bknudson | ayoung: that's what filtering was going to do | 18:29 |
| ayoung | dolphm, can we deprecate user list | 18:29 |
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| gyee | ayoung, why? | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | gyee, because it is thinking like a small business, and we need to think cloud scale | 18:29 |
| ayoung | you wouldn't do a user list for all citizens of the US | 18:30 |
| ayoung | or all BofA customers | 18:30 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, force filtering on any user-list requests? e.g. no filter (no sane filter that is) no result? | 18:30 |
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| morganfainberg | there is a case for getting users like <pattern> | 18:30 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yes and no | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | even in the case of bofa customers. | 18:30 |
| ayoung | think federation, and you realize there is no user list accessable | 18:30 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'd like a list of all BofA customers so I can send them letters politely suggesting that they find a better bank | 18:31 |
| ayoung | assume that you don't have enumeration access to the backing store | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, don't hate (i've just been too lazy to switch...) | 18:31 |
| gyee | dolphm, heh | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | :P | 18:31 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I bet even BofA can't generate that list....maybe the NSA can | 18:31 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I'd have thought that filtering + policy rules that , for instance, you must at least specify a domain_id would get us a long way | 18:31 |
| dolphm | ayoung: you're saying we need to think NSA scale? | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, good idea, lets ask the NSA for our user-list! | 18:32 |
| ayoung | dolphm, absolutely | 18:32 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: i think we need message bus for that | 18:32 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I have no desire to go through the background security clearance check to be able to see NSA data | 18:32 |
| * topol just got a weird phone call that said tell your buddies to stop making fun of the nsa | 18:32 | |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but even with a federated login, you need some kind of breadcrumb to match up right? so a filtered userlist could still work, just not in the enumerate the canonical list way | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i think the immediate answer is that user list can be denied for everyone via RBAC, a custom driver could not implement it, etc | 18:33 |
| gyee | topol, sigint is trolling this channel right now | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | given that it is there is there any restriction to user-list that makes sense? | 18:33 |
| dolphm | ayoung: long term we can pursue filtering, and then perhaps *require* filtering | 18:34 |
| ayoung | dolphm, no, long term we say "we don't have a user list to give you" | 18:34 |
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| gyee | when it comes to LDAP, is all about the filter :) | 18:34 |
| ayoung | dolphm, we can only provide a list scoped to something in the assignments backend | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | to my mind any backend that supports user-add can probably handle user-list, but that probably indicates it should be an extension rather than core | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | so we can provide a list of all users in a project, or something like that | 18:34 |
| ayoung | but not all users in a domain | 18:34 |
| dolphm | ayoung: but i totally understand the "getting a list of all users doesn't make sense" objection | 18:34 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: that soundslike a good idea | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, thinkg oauth. You don't have any way to query a liast of users in an oauth setup...saml, ABFAB, etc...nonte of them will provide that | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, all current users of all current projects in a domain wouldn't work? | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | user-list could just be a "known user list" via assignment | 18:35 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yse, but that is based on assignments, not identity | 18:35 |
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| gyee | ayoung, that's because in federation, user don't exist in a single place | 18:35 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, except that it makes no sense to do that, but yes, in theory it is possible | 18:35 |
| ayoung | gyee, and that is exactly what Keystone is becoming: a Federated identity service | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | i can see a case (audit) for getting all "currently active" users in a domain (e.g. in assignment) | 18:36 |
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| topol | gyee even with federation you still can get user info from the assignments. Is that not good enough? | 18:36 |
| bknudson | I think it would be nice to get keystone out of the identities game. | 18:36 |
| dolphm | keystone is a restful federated centralized auth gateway service api | 18:36 |
| gyee | topol, with federation, forget assignment | 18:36 |
| gyee | will will be all mappings | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, we can split identity off of the rest of Keystone, and make it an optional component | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, my concern with supporting the concept of "if we can add, we can list" is that it is very inconsistent | 18:37 |
| ayoung | gyee, what do you think assignments are? They are all mappings | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, make identity an extension? | 18:37 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, make it a separate service | 18:37 |
| ayoung | deployed on a separate machine | 18:38 |
| ayoung | and optional | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | keystone-id, keystone-assignment, keystone-quota (sounding like nova's services in my mind) | 18:38 |
| topol | doesnt assigments = mappings? | 18:38 |
| bknudson | ayoung: sounds better all the time. if you want keystone users, use that, if you want ldap, use that | 18:38 |
| bknudson | or kerberos or whatever. | 18:38 |
| ayoung | that is the idea | 18:38 |
| dolphm | topol: ++ i think that's what he meant | 18:38 |
| bknudson | windows | 18:38 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: as in the current sql identity be held on a different machine, or LDAP etc as well? | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | i'm seeing a summit session here. | 18:39 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, no need to puyt LDAP on a separate machine | 18:39 |
| ayoung | just need a way to specify what queries to run for a given domain | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: that was my thought | 18:39 |
| dolphm | ayoung: with a whole new paste file, i think you might be able to deploy like that today? minus the cross driver calls between identity and assignment | 18:39 |
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| jamielennox | i like the idea of making the current user operations against a sql backend a new service | 18:40 |
| ayoung | dolphm, well, we need a way to apss the authentication data from one to the other... | 18:40 |
| ayoung | SAML is, I think a likely candidate for that | 18:40 |
| bknudson | you could develop middleware for REMOTE_USER | 18:40 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I've been arguing with davidchadwick that his Federaion API should not be a separate API at all, but rahter should be the coding standard for new plugins. | 18:41 |
| topol | jamielennox why the need for a new service? Lots of new queries to be expected in the future? | 18:41 |
| ayoung | The ABFAB proposal would be the first Federated plugin, but it would be method: abfab | 18:41 |
| atiwari | wondering if some body can review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37141/ | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | topol, to split the identity that keystone manages into a separate container, just like ldap, etc would be separate. | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | topol: removes this whole question about user-list, if you have a service where you can add to and manage via an API user-list moves over to query that directly rather than via keystone | 18:42 |
| ayoung | atiwari, needs a bug report to explain what problem you are solving | 18:43 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, +1 | 18:43 |
| atiwari | it was a new BP | 18:43 |
| atiwari | for an extension | 18:43 |
| ayoung | atiwari, then link it in the commit message | 18:43 |
| atiwari | ok | 18:43 |
| atiwari | sorry for that | 18:43 |
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| bknudson | this change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45581/ makes it so that you can do ./run_tests.sh test_backend_sql again | 18:44 |
| bknudson | (don't need keystone.tests.) | 18:44 |
| ayoung | atiwari, a better way to get people's attention is to explicitly add them as reviews, too. | 18:44 |
| ayoung | bknudson, neat | 18:44 |
| atiwari | sure | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, mind rebasing the chain? | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i was going through slowly and doing the rebases as i was reviewing them | 18:45 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I can rebase it, I just don't think the rebase is necessary? | 18:45 |
| ayoung | bknudson, um, no | 18:45 |
| ayoung | no nononononono | 18:45 |
| bknudson | the only change was the commit message | 18:45 |
| ayoung | di you just put all those test back into the global namespace? | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, click the rebase button. the parent is outdated | 18:45 |
| bknudson | ayoung: the tests have been in the global namespace for some time. | 18:45 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I thought we moved them out of the global namespace when we put them in keystone/tests? | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: no, he hasn't - or at least not in that review | 18:46 |
| ayoung | that was the intention | 18:46 |
| bknudson | the only change this makes is to not use relative imports for packages in tests. | 18:46 |
| gyee | bknudson, so that change would eliminate the need to specify keystone.tests? | 18:47 |
| bknudson | gyee: yes. I think I tried it once... let me try it again. | 18:47 |
| ayoung | gyee, I care naught about that...I do care if the tests are out of the global namespace | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i thought that was an artifact that was resolved by going to testr | 18:47 |
| ayoung | we need the tests in the keystone namespace so that we can start integrating our tests with Tempest | 18:48 |
| bknudson | ayoung: how does one get the tests out of the global namespace? | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | not relative imports. | 18:48 |
| bknudson | tests has an __init__.py | 18:48 |
| ayoung | bknudson, __init__.py | 18:48 |
| ayoung | OK...maybe I panicked... | 18:49 |
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| bknudson | for example, now ./run_tests.sh test_cache fails, NameError: name '_' is not defined | 18:49 |
| bknudson | because keystone.tests. __init__.py wasn't run at the right time | 18:49 |
| ayoung | NO...I think I misread what you are doing...I think they are still in the keystone.tests namespace | 18:50 |
| dolphm | ayoung: did you look at the change? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, they are still in the keystone.tests namespace | 18:50 |
| topol | its just how he pulls them in | 18:50 |
| bknudson | hmm, well test_cache still doesn't work. not sure the problem. | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i can take a look at that | 18:51 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I did...but I misread what I was looking at...I thought he was doing the relative imports out of the global namespace... | 18:51 |
| ayoung | dumb mistake... | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, but i don't see why test_cache should be different than anything else. | 18:51 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: hmm, i guess i'm not understanding your concern :( | 18:52 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: it's not... others have the same time. | 18:52 |
| bknudson | others do the same time. | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ah ok | 18:52 |
| bknudson | do the same thing | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i think infra said testr would solve this (as i recall) | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | and moving the tests under keystone's namespace was a prereq to that? | 18:53 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: did you just volunteer to move us to testr? | 18:53 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: I didn't make the fix to make it so I could run_tests. I just thought it was really ugly to have these imports not follow the convention | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, oh crap. i might have :( | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dolphm, he's doing the exact opposite of what I panicked about...I basically read the patch backwards, and thought he was putting the imports into the global namespace when he is doing the exact opposite. We want the tests to be keyste.tests.tes_backend_ldap for example, so that, if we decide to call something from tempest, we have deconflicted with, say, the novate_test_backend_ldap (if there was one) | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, and i like that it fixes a hacking issue (more flake8 checks!) | 18:53 |
| topol | somebody hit #action fast for morgan | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | topol, if i leave the channel you can't find me! | 18:54 |
| * morganfainberg runs and hides | 18:54 | |
| ayoung | yeah, this is good stuff.... | 18:54 |
| dolphm | #action morganfainberg to switch keystone to testr and then we can all buy him beer | 18:54 |
| ayoung | ok, 6 minutes left | 18:54 |
| ayoung | dolphm, OK if I opent the packaging thing as a bug, and I attempt to fix in the Havana timeframe? If it is too invasive when the patch comes out, I will gladly accept the -2 | 18:55 |
| ayoung | the activation of extensions.... | 18:55 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: as i recall, there's some nasty problem with our test architecture that prevents us from easily moving to testr... so no one's going to make the switch for us | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i'll look at it once RC1 is cut | 18:55 |
| dolphm | ayoung: definitely open a bug | 18:55 |
| ayoung | will do | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i think the way we do git checkouts of old keystoneclients will bite us with testr | 18:55 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg dolphm: did rebase on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45581/ | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, thanks. | 18:56 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: did you poke at creating a factory to instantiate oauth1.Manager() ? | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ++ | 18:57 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: ooh, that too | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: any excuse to get out of it | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, nah, i'll still do the work | 18:57 |
| bknudson | we need to move that into tempest | 18:57 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: so you're going to move all our integration tests to tempest, then? | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, uh. | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i'll see what i can do. | 18:57 |
| gyee | that's a trap | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | but i don't think that is in scope | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | :P | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | it could be fixed relatively easily for testr, just have each client checkout to a different folder | 18:58 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: lol | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | and do it up front | 18:58 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, likely a good plan | 18:58 |
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| morganfainberg | we do need to "fix" that test mechanism in either case | 18:58 |
| bknudson | just wondering if anyone else has been looking at the docs? | 18:59 |
| jamielennox | whilst we're talking fixing test cases another plug for: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44014/ | 18:59 |
| topol | remember the last time we fixed test and then half us could test and the other half were dead in the water. lets not repeat that | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, haha, i was going to plug that for you. | 18:59 |
| bknudson | I'd consider our docs to be in rather poor shape. I'll try to work on it. | 18:59 |
| dolphm | bknudson: which docs? /answer in -dev | 18:59 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 10 18:59:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-09-10-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-09-10-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-09-10-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | thanks all | 18:59 |
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| fungi | can haz? | 19:00 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:00 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:00 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 10 19:01:05 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-09-03-19.03.html | 19:01 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Salt (UtahDave) | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45898/1 | 19:02 |
| fungi | that's up for review | 19:03 |
| jeblair | neat. i wasn't around much yesterday; what do we need to discuss here? | 19:03 |
| UtahDave | jeblair: Should I describe the purpose, or is the commit clear enough? | 19:03 |
| fungi | we discussed the runaway processes/memory leak and there was apparently an issue with the message queue and unaccepted minion certs | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | one big thing that came up was if and how we should determine which nodes need puppet kicked when a config change merges | 19:04 |
| clarkb | I think we settled on not worrying about it initially and just kicking everything | 19:04 |
| jeblair | clarkb: sounds good to me | 19:04 |
| fungi | UtahDave: do you happen to know which salt release fixed the unaccepted minion certs leak? (or did you already tell me and i missed it?) just want to make sure that won't be an issue for us long-term | 19:04 |
| jeblair | fungi: are those things resolved or do we need to make some decisions? | 19:04 |
| fungi | i think it's mostly just getting confirmation on that situation before we turn it back on everywhere | 19:05 |
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| UtahDave | fungi: that issue should be fixed in the 0.16 branch. If I recall correctly, your server was running 0.15.3 | 19:05 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:05 |
| fungi | UtahDave: thanks! | 19:05 |
| fungi | so i'll check to make sure we don't end up with older salt anywhere | 19:05 |
| fungi | and if the issue we were seeing crops back up, then it's something else | 19:06 |
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| UtahDave | fungi: sure. If it crops back up we can dedicate some engineering resources to help track down the problem | 19:06 |
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| mordred | so, if I understand the patch correctly, it means we would run a job on the jenkins master which would execute that salt command, yeah? | 19:06 |
| fungi | UtahDave: keen. i'll need to look back through how we were installing it to make sure we have channels to new enough versions on our systems | 19:07 |
| fungi | mordred: it wouldn't have to be the on the jenkins master--that was just a first stab i think | 19:07 |
| UtahDave | mordred: correct. The jenkins user should run sudo salt-call event.fire_master 'some data' 'jenkins' | 19:07 |
| mordred | fungi: ok | 19:07 |
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| fungi | mordred: it could be a specific node-label or even a dedicated slave if we really wanted | 19:07 |
| mordred | kk | 19:07 |
| mordred | UtahDave: what are "some data" and "jenkins" | 19:08 |
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| UtahDave | 'jenkins' is the tag that the Reactor is scanning for. | 19:08 |
| mordred | UtahDave: like, if the thing I want to acheive on each node is "puppet agent --test" ... would I do sudo salt-call event.fire_master 'agent --test' 'jenkins' ? | 19:08 |
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| UtahDave | The first item is the "data" field in which you can put any arbitrary pertinent data. | 19:09 |
| zaro | ~.~. | 19:09 |
| UtahDave | The current setup is not using the data field | 19:09 |
| jeblair | i don't think we want to pass parameters | 19:09 |
| UtahDave | mordred: I would avoid allowing the jenkins server to pass in commands to be run | 19:10 |
| jeblair | i think we want jenkins to say "run puppet" and have salt know how to do that | 19:10 |
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| mordred | UtahDave: great. and I agree | 19:10 |
| UtahDave | So right now, when the reactor sees the 'jenkins' tag it just executes the /srv/reactor/tests.sls | 19:10 |
| fungi | yeah, from a security perspective we just want to make sure that the slave where this job runs can tell the salt master to do one thing and one thing only (for now, and expand to a vetted list later if desired) | 19:10 |
| mordred | so we'd want to do salt-call event.fire_master '' 'jenkins' | 19:10 |
| UtahDave | yes, exactly. | 19:10 |
| mordred | coool | 19:11 |
| jeblair | this seems like a safe thing to do on the jenkins master. is that where we should run it? | 19:11 |
| mordred | jeblair: seems like a safe place to me | 19:11 |
| mordred | and also less work than other things | 19:11 |
| UtahDave | I think it's pretty safe on the jenkins server based on the sudo privileges the jenkins server has | 19:11 |
| fungi | agreed. it's flexible enough we could put it wherever we want slave-wise, but should be fine on a jenkins server as well | 19:11 |
| anteaya | will it run on all jenkins masters, or just one? | 19:12 |
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| fungi | the way it's written now, all i think | 19:12 |
| anteaya | k | 19:12 |
| fungi | so whichever one zuul picks at random | 19:12 |
| fungi | though the job itself is not written yet | 19:13 |
| UtahDave | fungi: correct. There would need to be a jenkins job written that executed the above mentioned salt-call command when appropriate | 19:13 |
| jeblair | this is a review comment, but i'd imagine we don't want that sudo command defined everywhere, so we'll probably want to put a sudoers.d fragment just on whatever jenkins master/slave will run this | 19:14 |
| fungi | jeblair: yeah, i was thinking the same | 19:14 |
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| fungi | right now this sets it on every server where we install sudo | 19:14 |
| fungi | but easily addressed | 19:14 |
| jeblair | (which is actually making me lean slightly toward having a slave for this; i'd like to trust the \d\d masters less in the future) | 19:14 |
| fungi | anyway, mostly just wanted to sync up on comfort level for turning salt back on and making sure it's the right version to theoretically avoid the previous issue we were seeing | 19:15 |
| fungi | sounds like we're cool with that? | 19:15 |
| jeblair | fungi: sounds like it; and we can go over the finer points in reviews | 19:15 |
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| fungi | perfect | 19:15 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:16 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:16 |
| jeblair | #topic Marconi migration from stackforge -> openstack (flaper87) | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | flaper87: hi there! | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | marconi was accepted for incubation | 19:17 |
| jeblair | and i think they would like an org move | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | yes, that is my understanding | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44963/ | 19:17 |
| clarkb | that is a WIP change that can be merged after the manual steps of moving a project are completed | 19:18 |
| jeblair | also, it would be cool to know what kind of testing they're planning on | 19:18 |
| jeblair | will they be doing devstack-gate tests, etc... | 19:18 |
| * mordred would love to know that | 19:19 | |
| jeblair | but since flaper87 doesn't seem to be around anymore (though he was here at the beginning of the meeting).... | 19:19 |
| jeblair | i guess we'll shelve this for now | 19:19 |
| clarkb | jeblair: maybe come back to this when we are done with the other agenda items? | 19:19 |
| jeblair | #topic Trove testing (jeblair) | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | also, mordred, hub_cap ^ | 19:19 |
| jeblair | real quick: | 19:20 |
| hub_cap | heloo helooo | 19:20 |
| jeblair | i've put a couple of project testing related topics on the agenda | 19:20 |
| jeblair | trove, tripleo, and xen.... | 19:20 |
| * mordred supports this | 19:20 | |
| jeblair | because there are efforts to get upstream ci testing going for all of those | 19:20 |
| mordred | so - hub_cap - how's upstream ci testing going for trove? | 19:20 |
| jeblair | and i want to make sure that we're being supportive of those, and they don't slip through the cracks | 19:20 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:21 |
| hub_cap | going as in, how is it going w/ us running it? | 19:21 |
| hub_cap | the only problems we have is the plugin hp uses to spin up builds... which wiould be much nicer if done by yall | 19:21 |
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| hub_cap | or do you mean, hows the integration w/ teh gate going, mordred? (cuz thats not happened yet) | 19:22 |
| mordred | how's the integration with the gate going? | 19:22 |
| hub_cap | for me, i see our devstack integration as gating for me to get the integration w teh gate | 19:22 |
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| hub_cap | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38169/ | 19:22 |
| hub_cap | its been going back and forth and SlickNik is doing it on free time | 19:22 |
| mordred | awesome. I'll go star that review | 19:22 |
| hub_cap | so i might take it over | 19:22 |
| hub_cap | and push it forward | 19:22 |
| mordred | I think that getting trove into devstack is a valid first step for sure | 19:23 |
| hub_cap | yes yes | 19:23 |
| * flaper87 is here | 19:23 | |
| hub_cap | then i can focus on the special steps for our tests in teh gate | 19:23 |
| mordred | anything you need from us this week (I'm guessing no, since you're waiting on devstack itself right now) | 19:23 |
| hub_cap | mordred: correct. ill come to you when i need to start integrating. | 19:24 |
| hub_cap | lets say late this wk, early next | 19:24 |
| hub_cap | depoending on the reviews for devstack | 19:24 |
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| hub_cap | <feel free to pull me in next wk to check my status jeblair | 19:24 |
| mordred | hub_cap: I believe we're goign to pull you in weekly until such as time as you're integrated | 19:25 |
| jeblair | hub_cap: cool, thanks | 19:25 |
| hub_cap | mordred: jeblair good by me | 19:25 |
| hub_cap | <3 | 19:25 |
| hub_cap | itll keep me workin on it ;) | 19:25 |
| jeblair | yay! ok, back to marconi | 19:26 |
| jeblair | #topic Marconi migration from stackforge -> openstack (flaper87) | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | flaper87: hi, so one of the things we want to discuss (in addition to the org move) is testing for marconi | 19:26 |
| flaper87 | sorry, got disconnected | 19:27 |
| flaper87 | did I miss my chance ? | 19:27 |
| flaper87 | :( | 19:27 |
| jeblair | flaper87: will you be doing integration tests with devstack, or something similar? | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | flaper87: (what are marconi's integration points with the rest of openstack?) | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | this isn't going very well, is it? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | :/ | 19:29 |
| * fungi mails flaper87 more internets | 19:29 | |
| jeblair | #topic Tripleo testing (jeblair) | 19:29 |
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| jeblair | ok, so tripleo is a program now | 19:30 |
| mordred | yup. so probably stuff should get tested and stuff | 19:30 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:30 |
| jeblair | and while it isn't part of the integrated release, it would still be great if whatever testing that is done could be done with this neato infra we have | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | so with the baremetal stuff I have a sketched out plan to use portions of tripleo with lxc | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | but still slogging through some issues running openstack in lxc | 19:31 |
| jeblair | pleia2: how does this relate to "toci"? | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | (i don't really know what any of these things are as i've never seen them) | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: I'll be using portions of toci | 19:31 |
| mordred | toci is basically a scripted version of https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tripleo-incubator/tree/devtest.md | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | but toci is designed to run on actual bare metal, whereas we're all virtual (so lxc and qemu) | 19:32 |
| mordred | which is the walkthrough on what it takes to install tripleo | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | so a thing that got me thinking about this is this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1217815 | 19:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1217815 in openstack-ci "Tripleo ci service account in gerrit" [Undecided,New] | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | so I'm writing patches for tripleo scripts to support lxc, and eventually will have to patch toci to do the same | 19:32 |
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| mordred | lifeless, SpamapS: around? we're talking about you in here | 19:32 |
| jeblair | which got my attention because most openstack programs don't have their primary testing infrastructure hosted outside of openstack | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | but full tripleo is more complicate than what I'd doing (since my goal is testing baremetal nova driver, not tripleo) | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | complicated | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | I just happen to be using tripleo to do it | 19:33 |
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| ttx | o/ | 19:33 |
| * flaper87 is here | 19:34 | |
| lifeless | mordred: hi, yes in tuskar meeting just now | 19:34 |
| flaper87 | sprry, I got disconnected | 19:34 |
| lifeless | mordred: then OSRB | 19:34 |
| lifeless | mordred: then physio | 19:34 |
| flaper87 | did I miss my chance? | 19:34 |
| lifeless | mordred: then maybe work ::P | 19:34 |
| flaper87 | :) | 19:34 |
| mordred | lifeless: well, we're talking about infra testing of tripleo | 19:34 |
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| lifeless | cool | 19:34 |
| anteaya | flaper87: I think jeblair will try to give you another shot | 19:34 |
| lifeless | it needs to be openstack-infra'd as soon as possible | 19:34 |
| lifeless | was talking with derekh about it last night | 19:34 |
| mordred | lifeless: we'd like that - but we don't really know what that means | 19:34 |
| jeblair | so we want to find out who to talk to about that | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | I will be at the tripleo sprint next week, so I can have some chats then | 19:35 |
| lifeless | ok, so me | 19:35 |
| clarkb | I will be there as well | 19:35 |
| clarkb | (ish) | 19:35 |
| lifeless | derekh is more familiar with the toci plumbing, but he's on leave for 2 weeks. | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: cool, maybe we schedule some time to talk specifically about testing with them? | 19:35 |
| clarkb | pleia2: that sounds like a good idea | 19:36 |
| mordred | lifeless: aiui, that runs on some metal that is laying around somewhere, right? | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | lifeless: can we add this to sprint schedule? | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | mordred: yeah, I think it's at redhat | 19:36 |
| lifeless | pleia2: it's an etherpad... :P | 19:36 |
| lifeless | mordred: yes, which is a big scaling problem. | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | lifeless: oh right :) | 19:36 |
| * pleia2 digs up the etherpad | 19:36 | |
| lifeless | mordred: I want to remove all the redundancy between it and the gerrit /zuul/jenkins infra | 19:36 |
| lifeless | mordred: turn it into a focused test runner script | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | i think engineering this is far too large of a topic for this meeting | 19:37 |
| mordred | totally | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: penciled in for thursday https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-havana-sprint | 19:38 |
| jeblair | so the useful things to know are who's leading the effort | 19:38 |
| mordred | I think the outstanding question is qhat to do about the toci service account request | 19:38 |
| clarkb | jeblair: agreed. I think if pleia2, mordred and I sit in a session at their sprint we should be able to get somewhere next week | 19:38 |
| mordred | and who to talk to in general | 19:38 |
| jeblair | and where/how should we track the design? | 19:38 |
| jeblair | clarkb, pleia2: thank you | 19:38 |
| mordred | I'd say the goal for next week shoudl be an etherpad or somethign with a design on it | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | ++ | 19:39 |
| mordred | that we all fel comfortable we can communicate to jeblair | 19:39 |
| mordred | without saying "oh, I guess you needed to have been there" | 19:39 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:39 |
| lifeless | waiting for the sprint would be a mistake :). derekh's not there, lets get rolling on discussions. | 19:39 |
| lifeless | suggest, either a dedicated etherpad, or ml discussion, or both | 19:39 |
| mordred | I'd say etherpad | 19:40 |
| mordred | ml discussion wrong scope level | 19:40 |
| mordred | and also some IRC outside of this meeting | 19:40 |
| clarkb | jeblair: so I think lifeless is the person to talk to now, derekh becomes the person when back. And an etherpad will be the place to track the design | 19:41 |
| * fungi is bowing out to drive to red hat hq. if we discuss the marconi org move scheduling, i'm free to help basically any saturday/sunday for the forseeable future | 19:41 | |
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| pleia2 | ok, here we go: https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-initial-testing | 19:41 |
| jeblair | fungi: have fun, thanks | 19:41 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-initial-testing | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | thanks clarkb | 19:41 |
| clarkb | jeblair: does that cover what we need to do in this meeting? | 19:41 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yep. thanks | 19:41 |
| jeblair | flaper87: around? | 19:42 |
| flaper87 | yup | 19:42 |
| jeblair | #topic Marconi migration from stackforge -> openstack (flaper87) | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | 19:28 < jeblair> flaper87: will you be doing integration tests with devstack, or something similar? | 19:42 |
| jeblair | 19:29 < jeblair> flaper87: (what are marconi's integration points with the rest of openstack?) | 19:42 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: I already have a patch ready for devstack | 19:42 |
| flaper87 | so we'll be doing it w/ devstack | 19:43 |
| jeblair | flaper87: awesome! do you have a link to that? | 19:43 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: yup, https://github.com/FlaPer87/devstack/tree/marconi | 19:43 |
| flaper87 | I haven't submited it for review | 19:43 |
| flaper87 | because I was waiting for marconi to be migrated | 19:43 |
| flaper87 | and for another patch in requirements to land | 19:43 |
| flaper87 | which alread landed | 19:43 |
| flaper87 | we're already integrated with the rest of the infrastructure | 19:44 |
| jeblair | flaper87: ok. are there any unusual requirements for running it in devstack? | 19:44 |
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| flaper87 | don't think so, the most unusual would be mongodb but ceilo already uses it | 19:45 |
| clarkb | more mongo? :/ | 19:45 |
| flaper87 | plus, we can run tests on sqlite | 19:45 |
| jeblair | ok. well, the're about to (they actually use mysql atm), but that should be in place by the time your stuff lands | 19:45 |
| flaper87 | so, mongodb is not a "requirement" for tests | 19:46 |
| jeblair | flaper87: all right, that all sounds pretty easy then. | 19:46 |
| clarkb | jeblair: that depends on zul getting newer mongodb into cloud archive right? | 19:46 |
| flaper87 | but it would be nice to be able to run tests against mongodb, anyway | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: jd__ pushed up some changes that lead me to believe that's happened. | 19:47 |
| clarkb | jeblair: cool | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | flaper87: so when would be a good time to perform the repo rename? we usually try to do it during a quiet period | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | at this point, we could probably do a friday afternoon US-time, or weekend | 19:48 |
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| flaper87 | jeblair: either work for us | 19:48 |
| jeblair | i don't think i could help this friday or this weekend, but am available next weekend (though fungi said this weekend was fine) | 19:48 |
| flaper87 | ok, this weekend it is | 19:48 |
| flaper87 | :D | 19:48 |
| mordred | I cannot help this weekend either | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: thoughts? | 19:49 |
| clarkb | I think I can do this weekend. Why don't we plan for Saturday at like 1700UTC and check with fungi when he is back? | 19:49 |
| flaper87 | sounds good to me | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | #action fungi clarkb move marconi saturday sept 14 1700 utc | 19:50 |
| flaper87 | w000000000000000000000t | 19:50 |
| flaper87 | thanks guys | 19:50 |
| jeblair | clarkb: thanks | 19:50 |
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| flaper87 | clarkb: fungi thanks :) | 19:50 |
| jeblair | flaper87: thanks for being on top of things! | 19:51 |
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| flaper87 | my pleasure | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | #topic Xen testing (jeblair) | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | I also put this on the agenda, but not with enough notice to make sure that BobBall could be here | 19:51 |
| jeblair | because i want to make sure we don't lose track of his amazing effort to test xen | 19:52 |
| * mordred is interested in his amazing efforts | 19:52 | |
| jeblair | so we'll try to catch up with him later | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | #topic puppet-dashboard (pleia2, anteaya) | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | what's the latest? | 19:52 |
| anteaya | I have a sodabrew-dashboard up using ruby 1.9.3 | 19:53 |
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| anteaya | though the package is called ruby1.9.1 | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | on a test vm for now | 19:53 |
| anteaya | and a puppet client server | 19:53 |
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| anteaya | I used these instructions: http://paste.openstack.org/show/46510/ | 19:53 |
| anteaya | now I am trying to get them talking to each other | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | once we have everything running, we'll dive into what we need to change in the puppet-dashboard module to support sodabrew instead | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | separate servers since puppet client uses ruby1.8 | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | I think | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 19:55 |
| jeblair | what do you mean 'separate servers'? | 19:55 |
| anteaya | yup/l $ ruby -v | 19:55 |
| anteaya | ruby 1.8.7 (2011-06-30 patchlevel 352) [x86_64-linux] | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | need to make sure puppet with ruby1.8 can talk to dashboard with 1.9 | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: testing infrastructure | 19:55 |
| anteaya | they each have their own vm | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | have a puppet dashboard server and a client that looks like some of our regular clients | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | ah, gotcha | 19:56 |
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| clarkb | a little mini infra | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | very little :) | 19:56 |
| jeblair | sounds promising | 19:56 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:56 |
| jeblair | #topic Open discussion | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | #action jeblair send email update about asterisk testing | 19:57 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: please revwiew https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45928/1 | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | I'm completely unreachable on saturday (no marconi for me!) and as mentioned flying to seattle sunday for the tripleo sprint | 19:57 |
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| mordred | I'll be in New Orleans over the weekend and early next week. I will then be in Seattle late next week, I will then be back in NYC | 19:58 |
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| mordred | it's possible that next week's meeting might be difficult... | 19:58 |
| clarkb | jeblair: are you in New Orleans as well? | 19:58 |
| ttx | mordred: I was thinking the same | 19:58 |
| jeblair | i'm flying to nola on friday, so won't be around then | 19:58 |
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| mordred | if pleia2 is going to be in Seattle and jeblair and I will both be in nola | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | let's cancel it? | 19:58 |
| clarkb | I can run a short one to do testing updates | 19:59 |
| clarkb | to keep hub_cap et al honest :) | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | and just so we don't get bored, the following weekend anteaya, RyanLane and I running this on Sunday the 22nd: http://codechix-openstack1-rss.eventbrite.com/ | 19:59 |
| zaro | Not sure how i should proceed with gerrit WIP patch. tried RFC on the patch. been there for 2 weeks without any comments. | 19:59 |
| * pleia2 is going to need a nap after all this | 19:59 | |
| jeblair | clarkb: ok all yours if you want it. :) | 19:59 |
| jeblair | time's up | 19:59 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ok, I will try wrangling the three involved paries | 19:59 |
| jeblair | thanks all! | 19:59 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 10 20:00:00 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-09-10-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| hub_cap | clarkb: honestly lol | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-09-10-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-09-10-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| ttx | Who is around for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 20:00 |
| aignatov_ | hi | 20:00 |
| crobertsrh | hi | 20:00 |
| mattf | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | russellb, jd__, markmc, dolphm, annegentle, mikal, mordred, notmyname, markwash, jgriffith, vishy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ? | 20:00 |
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| ErikB | Hello | 20:00 |
| ruhe | hi | 20:00 |
| jspeidel | o/ | 20:00 |
| notmyname | here | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:00 |
| asavu | o/ | 20:00 |
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| akuznetsov | hi | 20:01 |
| dolphm | o/ | 20:01 |
| tmckay | here | 20:01 |
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| nadya | hi | 20:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 20:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | need 2 more members | 20:01 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 20:01 |
| alazarev | hi | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | lol ttx you should say "who from the tc is here" ;) | 20:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | and.. 8 | 20:01 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 10 20:02:09 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| markwash | o/ | 20:02 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Savanna incubation request: initial discussion | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-September/014623.html | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Incubation | 20:02 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: hi! | 20:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, howdy! | 20:03 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:03 |
| akuznetsov | hi | 20:03 |
| ttx | So we usually consider incubation over two meetings. The first week is an initial discussion so that the main issues can emerge | 20:03 |
| ttx | and at the second one we usually conclude that discussion and vote | 20:03 |
| ttx | So this week is mostly about Q&A | 20:04 |
| ttx | Personally I had a question about the scope. Savanna is a single project but proposes two very different services: cluster and data operations | 20:04 |
| ttx | That sounds like two very separate use cases to me | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | yes the former seems very similar to trove mission | 20:04 |
| ttx | So far we had provisioning stuff like Trove | 20:04 |
| ttx | and data-oriented stuff like Marconi | 20:05 |
| mikal | I would like to hear more about plans for heat as well | 20:05 |
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| zaneb | mikal: ++ | 20:05 |
| ttx | but no project that would handle both at the same tiem | 20:05 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's start from the question about cluster and data ops | 20:05 |
| ttx | could you explain the value of bundling those two activities in the same project ? | 20:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | all data ops are build around the Hadoop eco | 20:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and the Hadoop cluster provisioning process is very complex, additionally, we need not only Hadoop cluster but a lot of other tools that works on Hadoop | 20:06 |
| jd__ | i.e. relying on Heat? | 20:06 |
| ErikB | Specifically, Savanna is focused around enabling setup, provisioning, configuration and deployment of Hadoop on OpenStack and related data operations that would be executed on Hadoop | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | yes but trove is focused on enabling setup, prov, config and deployment of X on OpensSTack | 20:07 |
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| hub_cap | where X is a datastore | 20:07 |
| akuznetsov | Savanna main goal is the elastic data processing, but without cluster operation it is unreachable. So the first step was creation of staff for cluster operation | 20:07 |
| ttx | sounds like a product definition more than a project definition... how much code would be shared between those two types of ops ? | 20:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hub_cap, we're not targeting Savanna as data store provider | 20:07 |
| ttx | (not saying you don't need both, just wondering how much sense it makes as a single project) | 20:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, in fact we want to provide data ops using Hadoop eco, but we need to provision complex cluster to do it | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | im not sure what you mean by data store provider? youre targetting a "spin up a hadoop ecosystem", yes? | 20:08 |
| russellb | another way to look at it, is that the cluster part could be considered part of the OpenStack Deployment program | 20:08 |
| mordred | hub_cap: hadoop isn't storage, it's processing | 20:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mordred, yep, absolutely | 20:09 |
| ttx | russellb: or some kind of trove-like project that would leverage heat | 20:09 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, ErikB, a little background of Hadoop might help to level the understanding | 20:09 |
| rnirmal | actually it's both.. | 20:09 |
| russellb | ttx: yes | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | im pretty sure its more than just processing | 20:09 |
| vishy | ok so the problem here is that cluster management and configuration is a shared problem | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | correct vishy well put | 20:09 |
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| vishy | which is partially solved by trove and heat | 20:09 |
| ttx | russellb: I can see a use case for someone to spin up hadoop clusters rather than submit direct jobs... it just sounds like a very different type of user | 20:09 |
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| ruhe | ElasticDataProcessing allows to execute MapReduce jobs on demand. It means that Hadoop cluster will be provisioned specifically for the job, and destroyed once job is complete. | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | fwiw, i dont want to touch a data api w/ a 10 ft pole..., so i see savanna filling that gap | 20:10 |
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| mikal | So the use case here is that a user sends an api requests saying "map reduce this please" and savnna brings up the jobs and kicks them off? | 20:11 |
| ruhe | mikal right | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | is there no use case for long running hadoop clusters? | 20:11 |
| mikal | I guess I don't understand why Savanna shouldn't be using heat to orchestrate that process | 20:11 |
| zaneb | I've heard it said that Hadoop is too complicated for Heat to deploy... I would love to at least find out what we're missing | 20:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hub_cap, we have such use case | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | or even hadoop provisioning for customers | 20:11 |
| ruhe | hub_cap, yes there is such use case | 20:11 |
| ttx | mikal: but there is also a use case where a user sends api requests to bring up a whole hadoop cluster | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | to use on their own | 20:12 |
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| mikal | ttx: a hadoop cluster that lives longer than a single map reduce you mean? | 20:12 |
| rnirmal | mikal: yes | 20:12 |
| shardy | ttx: that can still use heat behind the scenes tho, no? | 20:12 |
| ttx | shardy: definitely | 20:12 |
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| mikal | shardy: agreed | 20:12 |
| mattf | shardy, +1 | 20:12 |
| ttx | mikal: yes, and for which you'd use classic hadoop tools to submit jobs | 20:13 |
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| mikal | ttx: fair enough | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | or some data api savanna provides ttx? | 20:13 |
| ErikB | Hadoop can be fairly difficult to configure and deploy. Savanna provides the mechanism to deploy the Hadoop infrastructure (composed of multiple services, configuration, topology) on OpenStack leveraging distribution specific constructs. Each distribution (Apache, MapR, Cloudera, HDP) tends to provide their own mechanism for deployment and management which is what Savanna provides a framework for. Duplicating this in Heat | 20:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Hadoop cluster provisioning is a very complex process with tons of configs and Savanna provides an ability for users to create templates | 20:13 |
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| asavu | IMHO Savanna is like EMR + Netflix Genie tightly integrated. I'm not sure Heat can solve the orchestration problem completely but I agree can be part of the solution | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | do you feel hadoop is more complicated than setting up a cassandra or mongo cluster? | 20:14 |
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| hub_cap | because Trove is going to tackle those, as blueprints are sitting in our queue | 20:14 |
| ruhe | hub_cap definetely | 20:14 |
| rnirmal | I might be wrong but currently heat doesn't have the option to do a post processing operation. which is needed for cluster configuration | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | oh oh oh Trove can :) | 20:14 |
| demorris | SergeyLukjanov: Trove would need that same capability to configure clusters and templates that describe the complexities of the different cluster deployments | 20:14 |
| mikal | I worry that saying "we can model this in heat" indicates a heat bug instead of a need for a new orchestration system | 20:14 |
| jd__ | enhancing Heat might be a better solution though asavu | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | i know heat has deferred things too | 20:14 |
| russellb | rnirmal: but part of being an OpenStack projet is to work with other projects to fill gaps :) | 20:14 |
| akuznetsov | hub_cap yes it hadoop cluster contains several services with circular dependencies | 20:14 |
| shardy | asavu: as mentioned by zaneb, we'd like to understand the parts you think you can't solve with heat atm | 20:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hub_cap, we're provisioning not only Hadoop, but Hadoop eco using some Hadoop management consoles | 20:15 |
| rnirmal | russellb: agree... just wanted to point it out | 20:15 |
| aignatov_ | yes, hadoop(hdfs, mr service and services for data processing) has more complexity than deployment of cassandra | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | sure SergeyLukjanov / akuznetsov and im sure cassandra would be as such too... are there no ecosystem tools wrt it? | 20:15 |
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| russellb | and i think one of the expectations if you were to be incubated would be to work with projects to fill gaps so that you can build on them as much as possible | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | +1 russellb | 20:15 |
| shardy | mikal: Agree, probably we just need to better understand what's missing/needed in Heat | 20:15 |
| ttx | My point is that while I see a value for the data API, I question the value of a hadoop-specific cluster thing. That would overlap with a lot of Heat/Trove space | 20:16 |
| mikal | shardy: yes. I think an analysis of that is something I'd like to see for part two of this discussion. | 20:16 |
| akuznetsov | the main issue that Heat is not support a circular decencies | 20:16 |
| russellb | so part of the Q&A is trying to establish some vision for where this is headed, and how it might integrate | 20:16 |
| shardy | mikal: +1 | 20:16 |
| mordred | yah | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | ttx +1. and id love a cassandra data api too built on top of heat/trove ;) | 20:16 |
| ruhe | we actually have a wiki page for such questions about "Why don't you use Heat?" - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/WhyNotHeat | 20:16 |
| mordred | I mean, when trove came to us, it was not using heat, and we said, dude, you should use heat | 20:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hub_cap, there are a lot of tools that works on Hadoop - Hive, Pig, Oozie | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | maybe savanna fits for a "data api" | 20:16 |
| mikal | ruhe: /me looks | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | SergeyLukjanov: sure, and i assume we could install them | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | we have a postprocessing guest that is in charge of this | 20:17 |
| * ttx looks | 20:17 | |
| mordred | "Savanna currently maintains Grizzly+ compatibility. " - if you got integrated, would that still be a goal? | 20:17 |
| russellb | all of this isn't necessarily arguing where you should be *right now*, just where you should go :) | 20:17 |
| russellb | to be clear ... | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | and it keeps services online and reports failures | 20:17 |
| mordred | russellb: ++ | 20:17 |
| asavu | shardy afaik aws cloudformation doesn't have all the semantics we need e.g arbitrary script execution, vendor API interaction etc. | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | russellb: +1 billino | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | *billion | 20:17 |
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| mordred | "Circular dependencies - we should generate ‘/etc/hosts’ for all instances in provisioned cluster." - I believe os-*-config will be your friends there | 20:18 |
| ruhe | agree, that at some point we'll need to use Heat for provisioning. It's just a matter of time | 20:18 |
| mordred | ah - good | 20:18 |
| mordred | "Once Heat fulfills all these requirements we will be able and should use Heat for VM provisioning. " | 20:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mordred, we're currently planing to guarantee only H support in 0.3 release (mid October) | 20:18 |
| ttx | So... basically if Heat needs to be improved to be used as a basis for Savanna... then maybe it makes sense to wait for that to happen before filing Savanna for incubation. Incubation is about INTEGRATING with existing intergrated projects to form a coherent whole. | 20:18 |
| shardy | asavu: we're working on lots of native, non cloudformation-compatible functionality atm, your requirements (and contributions) would be very valuable to that process | 20:19 |
| ttx | projects can completely exist outside of incubation | 20:19 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 20:19 |
| shardy | rather than just rolling your own everything | 20:19 |
| mordred | ttx: or, perhaps part of integrating is a list of things that need to be done on both sides to come out of integrating | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | i woould still see a lot of overlap between the clustering api trove has proposed and the savanna clustering api | 20:19 |
| mordred | it's hard to say "hey, heat, we need this feature for X" if X isn't on heat's radar per-se | 20:19 |
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| hub_cap | rather than saying "just heat" | 20:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, integration with Heat is one of our goals for I cycle | 20:19 |
| zaneb | to be clear, the Heat team is working on a new template format with the explicit goal of being able to describe something like a Hadoop deployment | 20:19 |
| russellb | i think these sorts of things are fine to work on during incubation | 20:20 |
| zaneb | i.e. this is the canonical example of what we want to be able to support | 20:20 |
| ttx | mordred: so you would incubate and let them there until proper integration is achieved ? | 20:20 |
| mordred | ttx: that's the point of incubation, no? | 20:20 |
| russellb | that's what we asked of trove | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | yar | 20:20 |
| russellb | ttx: +1 | 20:20 |
| shardy | mordred: we welcome feedback from users and potential contributors about what features they need | 20:20 |
| jd__ | ttx: mordred: +1 | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | so does no one see the overlap between trove/savanna wrt the clustering? | 20:20 |
| dolphm | hub_cap: ++ | 20:20 |
| russellb | i mean, we should have reasonable confidence that they can/will achieve what we're asking, and are off to a good start | 20:20 |
| ttx | mordred: sure, as long as the stated goal of savanna is to achieve that integration | 20:20 |
| mordred | hub_cap: sure- I'd love to see you guys working together | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | +1 mordred it would make trove a better product | 20:21 |
| mordred | hub_cap: explicitly working on solving that - either by one of you consuming the other, or by spinning off a third thing that both of you consume | 20:21 |
| mordred | or something | 20:21 |
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| ttx | mordred: i.e. it makes sense to incubate if its' to work on integration. Not so much if it's to explain that they can't use Heat because of A and B | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | absolutely mordred... something can be consenus-ified | 20:21 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, wouldn't you say that a core goal of savanna is to integrate with other openstack projects? | 20:21 |
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| rnirmal | also cluster provisioning doesn't just apply to hadoop.. it's hadoop today.. spark tomorrow and a whole lot of possible other tools/projects | 20:21 |
| mordred | ttx: I think their 'why not heat' is already actually a 'why not heat right now' | 20:21 |
| vishy | hub_cap: what "clustering" do you need that couldn't be provided by heat? | 20:21 |
| ttx | but Sergey said it's one of their goals, so I think we are fine | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | +1 rnirmal | 20:22 |
| mattf | imho it's a core reason savanna is being done in the openstack community instead of outside | 20:22 |
| gabrielhurley | sounds like that shared clustering feature might be a good candidate for a shared library | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | gabrielhurley: that would work | 20:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, yep integration with other OS projects is our goal | 20:22 |
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| hub_cap | vishy: we use heat for clustering, for installiation of a cluster | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | doing things like master/slave promotion for mysql | 20:22 |
| russellb | i think part of incubation should be viewed as more attentive guidance from us on how/where a project should integrate | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | or failover | 20:22 |
| shardy | mordred: I'd like to see a roadmap of "$stuff we need to migrate to heat in the medium term" | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | complex things require knowledge from "within" so to speak, being a guest | 20:23 |
| russellb | i think that works well ... gets it more on everyone's radar | 20:23 |
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| vishy | ok so promotion and failover | 20:23 |
| demorris | there is also benefit to a common API for clustering so we don't end up with two completely distinct clustering API provisioning methods | 20:23 |
| vishy | that isn't what I think of when i think clustering | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | to start, vishy, thats 2 things i can think of | 20:23 |
| demorris | unless the use case is so different that it calls for it, but I don't see it as such just yet for the API | 20:23 |
| jgriffith | demorris: +1 | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | vishy: clustering a data store | 20:23 |
| vishy | because if it is just launch a group of vms i think heat handles that just fine | 20:23 |
| jmaron | I think you need a clearer definition of "cluster" and or "clustering". In the hadoop world it's more than the provisioning of VMs - it's the provisioning and configuraiton of a slew of data services on top of those hosts (Note that hadoop isn't necessarily cloud/VM aware) | 20:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hub_cap, I hope that we'll use Heat for cluster provisioning and potentially for [auto]scaling support | 20:24 |
| akuznetsov | possible clustering should be done on Heat side, for example cluster for j2ee application | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | vishy: totally agree, thats what we are doing in trove :) | 20:24 |
| ruhe | cluster deployment is one of the simplest things in Savanna. there are lot's of details related to Hadoop - integration with Swift, HDFS block placement | 20:24 |
| vishy | so specifically it is atomically configuring things | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | install = heat | 20:24 |
| vishy | which is going to require something like zookeeper, no? | 20:24 |
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| hub_cap | possibly :) | 20:24 |
| mordred | can't heat already handle that? or will do soon? | 20:25 |
| vishy | that doesn't sound like it specifically belongs to one project so shared library might be the way to go | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | im all for shared lib | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | shared = better right? :) | 20:25 |
| vishy | have to wonder if it actually fits into the the taskflow library | 20:25 |
| ruhe | hub_cap, so the idea is to develop clustering support in Heat which then could be used by Trove and Savanna? | 20:25 |
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| hub_cap | possibly? we are already going ot use heat for clustering support | 20:25 |
| vishy | ruhe: +1 | 20:25 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: cluster_provisioning lib is VERY(!!!) good point | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | i see it as savanna uses trove for clustering / post processing etc... | 20:26 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: and it could be like the part of heat | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | and if you want a "hadoop prov api only" you can use trove | 20:26 |
| vishy | the location of the clustering library is a minor point | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | which obviously will use heat to prov | 20:26 |
| * ttx sees a lot of discussions needed between heat, trove and savanna guys in HK | 20:26 | |
| hub_cap | yes plz! | 20:26 |
| ttx | but I like what I'm seeing | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | ttx ^ ^ | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | i think there is much overlap | 20:26 |
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| hub_cap | and i dont like duplicating work | 20:26 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap +1 | 20:27 |
| dolphm | ttx: ++ | 20:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hub_cap, Trove is 'Database as a Service', but Hadoop isn't a DB | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | is it not, at the heart of it? | 20:27 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | is there not a (or many) ways to process and retrieve data | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | and a storage engine | 20:27 |
| zaneb | it is and it isn't ;) | 20:27 |
| ruhe | hub_cap, it's main goal is bigdata processing | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | and a plethora of tools avail | 20:27 |
| dmakogon_ | SergeyLukjanov: but Hive/HBase - yes ! | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | absolutely, and i dont want to touch processing in Trove | 20:28 |
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| ttx | I think at the very least, even with clustering completely stripped off, savanna would make sense standalone as a data API | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | ttx:++ | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | id love to see savanna as the data api in openstack | 20:28 |
| dmakogon_ | ttx: good point | 20:28 |
| mikal | ttx: I agree. I just think savanna should be as thin as possible to reduce duplication of effort | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | mikal: ++ | 20:28 |
| russellb | the deployment still has to be solved somewhere | 20:28 |
| ttx | mikal: sounds like one of my lines | 20:28 |
| ruhe | hub_cap, i guess we need a definition of clustering | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | id love to see savanna tackle cassandra and mongo in the future | 20:29 |
| dmakogon_ | ruhe: yes | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | in terms of data api | 20:29 |
| gabrielhurley | thin++ | 20:29 |
| russellb | those might be different data APIs though ... | 20:29 |
| ttx | russellb: oh sure. But it's aproblem space that several others are exploring..; and all those people need to talk around a beer to solve it | 20:29 |
| russellb | fair enough | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | ttx beer+whiteboard | 20:29 |
| dolphm | mikal: ++ | 20:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hub_cap, we're planning to support cassandra as external data source | 20:29 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: cassandra/mongo via savanna ?? | 20:29 |
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| hub_cap | dmakogon_: the data api | 20:29 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: I also have a slight concern about you being the author of more than half of the commits | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | not the prov/clustering | 20:30 |
| ttx | It's not as extreme as Designate (59% instead of 84%) but it still looks a bit brittle to me | 20:30 |
| markwash | where can I learn more about the savanna data api? | 20:30 |
| akuznetsov | hub_cap we will have cassandra and mongo as one of the data source for edp | 20:30 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: are you superman ? | 20:30 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: are there buses near where your live ? | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | akuznetsov: and you will need clusters for those correct? | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | and trove is going to solve prov'ing those clusters in its near future (dmakogon_ is foaming at the mouth) | 20:30 |
| akuznetsov | markwash https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/EDP | 20:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, it's mostly related to the initial state of the project, you can take a look for the last 3 months percentage | 20:31 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_Cap: correct me if i'm wrong, trove could use savanna(in future) for provision clusters of cassandra ? | 20:31 |
| zaneb | https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/contributors | 20:31 |
| russellb | and I keep typoing Savanna as Savannah because of Savannah, GA | 20:31 |
| russellb | :( | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | i see it as the opposite dmakogon_, savanna being a data api uses trove to prov the clusters | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | and then does magic data stuff w them | 20:31 |
| ruhe | hub_cap, i'm not sure if database_as_a_service is a proper tool to provision data_processing_tool | 20:31 |
| mattf | ttx, savanna has active development from mirantis, red hat and hortonworks. state is mirantis seeded the project and has a lot of historical commits. | 20:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, agreed | 20:31 |
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| vishy | hub_cap: it sounds like you are starting to see trove as cluster_provisioning_as_a_service | 20:32 |
| markwash | akuznetsov: so is it basically "post up a hive/pig script after establishing your data sources" ? | 20:32 |
| rnirmal | maybe that needs to be split out into it's own service then | 20:32 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: agree that recent data shows a good trends | 20:32 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: we can do it in any way | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | well we are clustering nosql datastors as a service vishy :) | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | man i cant type | 20:32 |
| vishy | i don't think it clearly "belongs" to any project today | 20:32 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: savanna via trove, trove via savanna | 20:32 |
| mikal | mattf: there are a lot more mirantis people though right? I don't think that's bad (and all credit to mirantis), but do you think the project would survive if for some reason it stopped being a priority for mirantis? | 20:32 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: multiple dual support | 20:32 |
| vishy | i think we all agree that clurster provisioning is important | 20:33 |
| akuznetsov | markwash not only | 20:33 |
| vishy | * cluster | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | +1 for clusters | 20:33 |
| vishy | and it goes somewhere | 20:33 |
| jmaron | the provisioning of VMs in savanna is already fairly well partitioned as an API/service. trove/heat are not precluded as playing a potential role. However, it is only a portion of what is required to configure a hadoop deployment (hate using cluster - seems to be a term with specific conotation in this crowd ;) ) | 20:33 |
| ruhe | anyway, Savanna is all around about integration with various Hadoop vendors. I'm worried that splitting development into two separate project will make thing really complex. both will need integration with various Hadoop distros | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | vishy: ++ | 20:33 |
| ttx | vishy: I wouldn't mind trove to expand scope to support generic clustering | 20:33 |
| ErikB | mikal - savanna is a priority for Hortonworks | 20:33 |
| mattf | mikal, i think the community is growing, will continue to grow and will be sustaining outside of mirantis, yes | 20:33 |
| vishy | and trove/heat/savanna/workflow can fight to the death about who gets to own it | 20:33 |
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| hub_cap | vishy: cage match? | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ | mikal: savanna has contributors from RedHat, so it could survive in any way) | 20:33 |
| akuznetsov | savanna already has a lot staff for clustering anti affinity group, networks and ect. | 20:33 |
| ttx | vishy: otherwise everyone will keep on reinventing it | 20:33 |
| vishy | oh and tripleo | 20:33 |
| vishy | since they have to provision clusters as well | 20:34 |
| vishy | :o | 20:34 |
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| hub_cap | lol | 20:34 |
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| ruhe | vishy, it seems like Heat is the right tool to provision cluster, others are for tight integration with software running inside VMs | 20:34 |
| russellb | zomg clusters | 20:34 |
| mordred | yeah - but that's just heat really :) | 20:34 |
| * hub_cap hands vishy the wrench for the meeting | 20:34 | |
| * mordred clusters himself | 20:34 | |
| * markwash noms on clusters of nuts | 20:34 | |
| hub_cap | oh god now were all doomed | 20:34 |
| dmakogon_ | ruhe: +1 for clusters provisioning | 20:34 |
| vishy | ruhe: the issue is provisioning the vms is easy | 20:35 |
| ttx | wow 34min in and it's already toasted | 20:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, yep and we planning to digg into Heat and try to contributed missed features to it to be able to use it for provisioning in Savanna | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | ttx fwiw, i wouldnt mind expandoing scope cuz its going to be cassandra/mysql/mongo/redis/etc/etc/etc in trove | 20:35 |
| vishy | it is configuring the services to know about each other, do elections, etc. | 20:35 |
| vishy | that is hard | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | and savanna will have hadoop | 20:35 |
| dmakogon_ | SergeyLukjanov: good idea | 20:35 |
| vishy | and although the software is different there is definitely a lot of overlap in these things | 20:35 |
| demorris | hub_cap: + Vertica CE | 20:35 |
| annegentle | I think big data/ map reduce use cases are really valuable, and would like to see heat orchestrating to help other projects laser focus on use cases | 20:35 |
| ruhe | vishy, not only provision, but apply configs, for instance host names in /etc/hosts for the whole cluster | 20:35 |
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| hub_cap | yes that should be the same w/ cassandra right ruhe? | 20:36 |
| mikal | ruhe: would wouldn't just bring up an instane running bind and point everyone to that (or something other than losts of copies of /etc/hosts?) | 20:36 |
| ruhe | hub_cap, right | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | we plan on supporting in a generic way, cuz im sure mongo/cassandra will need | 20:36 |
| vishy | ruhe: imo that is part of configuring the software | 20:36 |
| ttx | annegentle: yes, and I wouldn't mind Savanna contributors to contribute the missing stuff they need to existing projects :) Yay cross-openstack collaboration | 20:36 |
| annegentle | ttx: yep | 20:36 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:36 |
| jgriffith | vishy: ++ | 20:37 |
| vishy | a lot of the difficulty would be avoided if we had integrated dns and autodiscovery | 20:37 |
| jgriffith | I think there needs to be a clearer distinction here | 20:37 |
| * vishy has a whole bag of wrenches | 20:37 | |
| hub_cap | geez you sure do | 20:37 |
| ttx | so basically I think there is value in incubating savanna, if only to get all those devs to show up at the design summit and see how they can best fit | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | +1 ttx | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | so um, state of clustering at the summit? | 20:37 |
| dmakogon_ | hup_cap: SergeyLukjanov: i see the next situation: trove support HBase/Hive - that is means that trove get Hadoop cluster provisioned via Savanna and than install Hive/Hbase on that cluster | 20:37 |
| russellb | vishy: huge +1 to auto discovery ... | 20:37 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap:+1 | 20:37 |
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| * ttx looks up scedhule to make sure heat/trove and savanna don't run at the same time | 20:38 | |
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| russellb | vishy: we keep inventing new methods to do that by hand, kinda getting silly | 20:38 |
| mordred | vishy: dns++ | 20:38 |
| ruhe | dmakogon_, don't hurry :) HBase provisioning is the most complicated thing i ever seen in my life | 20:38 |
| russellb | and yes, dns++ too | 20:38 |
| russellb | is anyone help with dns yet? | 20:38 |
| ruhe | I mean, getting it done right | 20:38 |
| russellb | (sorry, another topoic) | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | hah | 20:38 |
| vishy | ruhe: no way it is more complicated than configuring openstack! | 20:39 |
| ttx | err. trove and heat run at the same time, sigh | 20:39 |
| dmakogon_ | ruhe: i know, i've deployed it by hands a lot of times | 20:39 |
| ruhe | vishy, good catch | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | ttx FAIL | 20:39 |
| mordred | russellb: no worries - we can talk about infinite number of things in parallel in this meeting | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | mordred: hows the weather? | 20:39 |
| mordred | hub_cap: great! I got some torchy's tacos yesterday and a bowl of queso | 20:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | agreed with need to discuss where clustering part should be done | 20:39 |
| mordred | ttx: rework the whole scedule now! | 20:40 |
| ttx | on it | 20:40 |
| mattf | mordred, super linear scaling eh? | 20:40 |
| dolphm | mordred: /jealous | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | yes id love to see 1 project support clustering, there is no need to reinvent | 20:40 |
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| rnirmal | heat can provision a cluster with some work maybe... but some X needs to configure it and X needs to manage the lifecycle of a cluster... be it hadoop, cassandra or spark.. and I see a split between savanna and trove..... can we work towards solving that first | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | and id love to see 1 project support a data api | 20:40 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: +1 to shared lib | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | +1 to single project | 20:40 |
| ruhe | rnirmal +1 | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | rather than shared lib w/ the same api's between 2 diff projects heh | 20:41 |
| dmakogon_ | i think this is shouldn't be a standalone project | 20:41 |
| dmakogon_ | just some algorithms | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | oh no a data api is quite valid :) | 20:41 |
| zaneb | hub_cap: shared lib (vs. shared service) seems quite reasonable to me? | 20:42 |
| dmakogon_ | or heat should provision clusters for next usage in terms of current project | 20:42 |
| hub_cap | yes zaneb | 20:42 |
| ttx | mordred: I'll propose to swap trove and ironic on https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmUn0hzC1InKdDdPRXFrNjV4SW91SWF5N2gwYnRHYWc#gid=1 -- sounds like the most limited change that would solve it | 20:43 |
| ErikB | +1 rnirmal - this is the value that Savanna adds. | 20:43 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: shared lib ease to reuse without any integration | 20:43 |
| ruhe | to understand requirements of such shared lib (or service) we'll need to understand requirement from both Trove and Savanna | 20:43 |
| russellb | ironic and heat overlap is probably rough too | 20:43 |
| russellb | since the folks interested in baremetal, are also interested in tripleo, which are interested in heat | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | +1 ruhe | 20:44 |
| ttx | russellb: there are more heat slots than ironic slots though, so they can still attend some of it | 20:44 |
| russellb | ttx: ah, cool, probably fine then | 20:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | looks like no ideas for clustering discussion now and the best solution is to setup clustering discussion at design summit and apply the decision in I cycle | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | hmmm seems like we are starting to see program vs project | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | +1 SergeyLukjanov we have submitted one for trove :) | 20:45 |
| mordred | hub_cap: ++ | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/54 | 20:45 |
| dmakogon_ | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 20:45 |
| russellb | ttx: we should just serialize the whole thing and have the design summit never end | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | when it is over is when it begins | 20:45 |
| ttx | russellb: sounds like paradise | 20:45 |
| ttx | OK, so it would be great to start this discussion a bit this week so that we can see the premises of this collaboration by the time we finally vote on this (next week or the week after) | 20:46 |
| russellb | good call | 20:47 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: SergeyLukjanov: we could discuss clustering together, it term of trove/heat/savana/ironic | 20:47 |
| annegentle | ttx: how does the election timing and vote for incubation line up? | 20:47 |
| annegentle | ttx: I can't remember when elections are | 20:47 |
| ttx | and unless someone has another concern to raise, we can go to open discussion now | 20:47 |
| ttx | annegentle: next topic | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | yes dmakogon_ | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | go go go ttx | 20:47 |
| mordred | we have another topic? jeez | 20:47 |
| ttx | not really | 20:48 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:48 |
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| ttx | I set up the pages for the PTL and TC elections in the next weeks: | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | we are gonna discuss mordred's hatred for open discussion | 20:48 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_Fall_2013 | 20:48 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: SergeyLukjanov: more that +100500 for shared lib for clustering | 20:48 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TC_Elections_Fall_2013 | 20:48 |
| ttx | I'm looking for volunteers for filling the election official roles, especially for the PTL election | 20:48 |
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| ttx | Can be difficult since you should not be running for any of the PTL positions to be an PTL election official... | 20:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any other questions about savanna? (we've discussed only one not main feature of savanna…) | 20:49 |
| russellb | dang that's a lot of PTL positions :-) | 20:49 |
| russellb | elections like woah | 20:49 |
| ttx | annegentle: to answer your question... we won't start renewing the TC until October 4 so we still have a few meetings dates possible | 20:49 |
| russellb | SergeyLukjanov: i think we need to continue on the ML with what came up so far, and we'll continue the discussion next week | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | russellb: openstack is growing up :) or out! | 20:49 |
| annegentle | ttx: ok thx | 20:49 |
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| ttx | the TC elections run after the PTL elections, which increases the odds recently-elected PTLs would get an electoral boost in the TC election (feature, not bug) | 20:50 |
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| mordred | this may not really be a TC thing - but since you're all here - we're going to make a stronger push to finish moving to testr next cycle - because there are some things we want to do with subunit streaming processing in the gate (which will result in quicker response time to failures and shorter gate resets) | 20:51 |
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| ttx | In other news, TC members should review the initial governance repo commit at: | 20:51 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44489/ | 20:51 |
| ttx | once that is set we will use that for voting | 20:51 |
| mikal | Yay! | 20:52 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:52 |
| markwash | testr should have coverage, and I *want* to help :-) | 20:52 |
| ttx | depending on how LinuxCon/CloudOpen gets finally scheduled and how many people are stuck, we may cancel next week meeting | 20:53 |
| markmcclain1 | Won't a good portion of us be there? | 20:53 |
| russellb | how do you people attend so many conferences and still get work done? | 20:54 |
| ttx | I count at least 3 | 20:54 |
| ttx | russellb: work ? | 20:54 |
| markwash | russellb: you answered your own question methinks | 20:54 |
| russellb | heh. | 20:54 |
| mordred | russellb: I usually put in a full day's work while at ocnferences - it's just at different/odd times | 20:54 |
| mordred | markwash: ++ | 20:54 |
| clarkb | testr coverage? | 20:54 |
| clarkb | I feel like the word coverage is far too overloaded here. What are we walking about? | 20:55 |
| markwash | clarkb: coverage measurements, that is | 20:55 |
| gabrielhurley | russellb: also relevant are your definitions of "work" and "done" | 20:55 |
| markwash | like, using testr tests, I can measure the code coverage of my unit tests | 20:55 |
| ttx | so the final discussion/vote on savanna might just wait for the September 24 meeting. Skip or notskip will be discussed on the TC mailing-list | 20:55 |
| clarkb | markwash: we have it doing that today | 20:55 |
| markwash | clarkb: say what? sorry I'm out of date | 20:55 |
| clarkb | markwash: that was one of the requirements to use testr with nova | 20:56 |
| mordred | markwash: yup. we're all fancy like that | 20:56 |
| clarkb | markwash: basically we swap in coverage.py for python and run the test runners that way then combine coverage afterwards | 20:56 |
| markwash | <3 | 20:56 |
| clarkb | works great | 20:56 |
| mordred | (sorry, I was ++ing "want to help") | 20:56 |
| ttx | I even count 4, notmyname will be there | 20:56 |
| notmyname | yes | 20:56 |
| ttx | like I said on another thread, more PTL/TC members talking there than at an openstack summit :/ | 20:56 |
| mordred | yah. that makes me sad | 20:56 |
| mordred | I spend most of my year talking at conferences, and I've only ever given half of one talk at an openstack one | 20:57 |
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| mordred | kinda funny that | 20:57 |
| gabrielhurley | people only *think* they want to hear from me. I'll show them... I'll show them all! | 20:57 |
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| notmyname | are there project updates during the conference this time? | 20:57 |
| mordred | notmyname: post confernece webinar things | 20:58 |
| notmyname | if not, that removes all the PTL talks | 20:58 |
| ttx | notmyname: I think they want to do the webinar thing again | 20:58 |
| notmyname | mordred: should be both | 20:58 |
| russellb | it's painful to do it at the conference | 20:58 |
| mordred | notmyname: the request came through to not do them in person because of time | 20:58 |
| russellb | no time to let the stuff soak | 20:58 |
| ttx | notmyname: I placed a "TC panel" proposal so that we appear somewhere | 20:58 |
| russellb | haven't even finished talking yet and you have to present it? | 20:58 |
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| mordred | russellb: I like giving the infra update at the start of the summit - more time for beer that way :) | 20:59 |
| russellb | i'm glad we're not doing it there (with the current layout anyway) | 20:59 |
| russellb | if we split or offset them, sure :) | 20:59 |
| notmyname | it's an opportunity to talk about what's been happending, perhaps a couple of ideas that were talked about, and to brag on contributors. | 20:59 |
| ttx | we are looking into a one-day offset for the next one | 20:59 |
| ttx | hopefully more for the one after that | 20:59 |
| russellb | ttx: that's a start | 20:59 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:59 |
| russellb | whatever we can get is ++ from me | 20:59 |
| ttx | like conf mon-Thy and design cummit tue-fri | 20:59 |
| ttx | err conf mon-thu | 21:00 |
| ttx | and summit* | 21:00 |
| ttx | and #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 10 21:00:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-09-10-20.02.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-09-10-20.02.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-09-10-20.02.log.html | 21:00 |
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| ttx | markmc, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: still around ? | 21:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | here | 21:01 |
| russellb | well hello there! | 21:01 |
| gabrielhurley | those last 5 lines from ttx were great | 21:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | hey | 21:01 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: and yet a bit embarassing | 21:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:01 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain1 | O/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | good thing it's logged | 21:01 |
| dolphm | gabrielhurley: it all went terribly wrong and then quickly #endmeeting'd | 21:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | hahaha | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 10 21:02:05 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
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| ttx | markmcclain[0-1] asked to go first | 21:02 |
| ttx | but good things first | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:02 |
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| ttx | The havana-3 milestone is now behind us, and most projects are in feature freeze | 21:02 |
| ttx | The goal now is for each project to come up with a clear list of release-critical bugs (bugs targeted to the havana-rc1 milestone) | 21:02 |
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| ttx | This is usually best done by going through all bugs and targeting the appropriate ones... then monitor the new ones filed | 21:03 |
| ttx | Having a bugtriage day usually helps a lot | 21:03 |
| ttx | Then when we get that list down to 0 we can create the havana release branch and tag our first release candidate | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Then master can be open for icehouse business | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Note that each project can have their RC1 at a different time (when ready). Ideally all RC1s would be out before the end of the month. | 21:03 |
| ttx | FWIW I created the icehouse series and the icehouse-1 milestone so that you can start moving stuff targeted to "next" to it | 21:04 |
| ttx | Questions on the RC1 process ? | 21:04 |
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| ttx | reference: | 21:05 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle | 21:05 |
| ttx | sdague, annegentle, mordred: news from QA/Docs/Infra programs ? | 21:05 |
| mordred | ttx: we're having some issues related to six and hacking and pep8 | 21:05 |
| mordred | if you see them, sorry - we're working on it | 21:05 |
| sdague | we're going to have our own bug triage day for Tempest on the 17th | 21:05 |
| mordred | also, the infra systems are still standing after FF - so, there is that | 21:05 |
| ttx | sdague: right in the middle of your cloudopen talk ? | 21:06 |
| sdague | yep, well all the days were bad for me :) | 21:06 |
| sdague | that's why we have a wider team | 21:06 |
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| ttx | is there value in trying to have a cross-project bugday ? | 21:06 |
| ttx | or we should rather space them out and have each project set one up if interested ? | 21:07 |
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| sdague | there might be, especially on bugs that are causing gate resets | 21:07 |
| sdague | we had a few of those last week, in the chaos we were mostly ploughing through, but would be good to rivisit as many as possible | 21:07 |
| mordred | ++ | 21:07 |
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| ttx | I'll ask around if other people are interested to triage bugs on that 1èth | 21:08 |
| ttx | arrh | 21:08 |
| ttx | 17th | 21:08 |
| sdague | parallel testing held up pretty well | 21:08 |
| ttx | Any other announcement before we dive into project-specific stuff ? | 21:08 |
| sdague | not here | 21:08 |
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| ttx | then, as promised... | 21:09 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron status | 21:09 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hi! | 21:09 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:09 |
| markmcclain1 | Hi | 21:09 |
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| ttx | I count 8 standing FFEs, which is a lot (a bit too much for my taste) | 21:09 |
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| ttx | markmcclain1: Let's review the status and set a in-or-out deadline for each of them | 21:10 |
| ttx | ipv6-feature-parity / configurable-ip-allocation ? | 21:10 |
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| markmcclain1 | That deadline is Sunday/Monday | 21:10 |
| markmcclain1 | For both | 21:11 |
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| ttx | markmcclain1: any progress there ? | 21:11 |
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| ttx | haven't seen code proposed yet | 21:11 |
| ttx | which makes me a bit worried | 21:12 |
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| markmcclain1 | Yes.. There is a conflict with the pending l3 patches | 21:12 |
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| ttx | shall be solved soon and code proposed for review ? | 21:13 |
| markmcclain1 | Yes. I had hoped to have merged l3 service plugin | 21:14 |
| ttx | ok. nvp-service-router / nvp-fwaas-plugin / nvp-lbaas-plugin ? | 21:14 |
| markmcclain1 | Pending a small cleanup of leftover prints() | 21:14 |
| ttx | ok, so shall merge anytime now | 21:15 |
| ttx | l2-population ? | 21:15 |
| markmcclain1 | L2 most at risk. Had some late concerns from a core team member. EOD tomorrow is deadline | 21:15 |
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| ttx | l3-router-port-relationship / quantum-l3-routing-plugin ? | 21:16 |
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| markmcclain1 | Needs changes based on l3 service branches merge | 21:16 |
| ttx | deadline ? | 21:17 |
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| markmcclain1 | eod Thursday | 21:17 |
| ttx | ok, so they should all be in by thursday except the two "High" which have until next Monday ? | 21:17 |
| markmcclain1 | Right | 21:17 |
| ttx | markmcclain1: you have a pretty nice RC1 buglist already: is that a complete picture of your release-critical bugs ? | 21:17 |
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| markmcclain1 | Yes | 21:18 |
| ttx | cool | 21:18 |
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| ttx | Maybe add https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1211915 ? | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:18 |
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| ttx | markmcclain1: anything else you wanted to raise ? | 21:19 |
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| markmcclain1 | Oh I forgot to link it.. we discussed at our weekly meeting | 21:19 |
| ttx | no markmc, anyone speaking for oslo ? | 21:19 |
| markmcclain1 | Nothing else new.. Thanks for letting me jump the line | 21:19 |
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| ttx | markmcclain1: thx! | 21:20 |
| * ttx skips oslo for now | 21:20 | |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:20 |
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| ttx | dolphm: hi! | 21:20 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:20 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:20 |
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| ttx | No FFE so keystone is now feature-complete | 21:20 |
| dolphm | :D | 21:20 |
| ttx | that should go faster ;) | 21:20 |
| ttx | 12 bugs on the RC list, is that a complete list yet ? | 21:20 |
| dolphm | that's as much as i'm aware of at this point | 21:21 |
| ttx | Do you need a bugtriage day to go through them all, or are they very much under control ? | 21:21 |
| dolphm | i believe we're under control | 21:21 |
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| ttx | dolphm: great, you're all set it seems. anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:21 |
| dolphm | yes.. | 21:22 |
| ttx | sidenote: I'll resurrect my 'road to RC' graphs that show how fast you burn your RC1 buglists | 21:22 |
| dolphm | a couple of those bugs are related to our support for an identity driver per domain | 21:22 |
| dolphm | which we've discovered may require a more radical fix than we're willing to land in rc1, so whether those will be fixed in RC1 is up in the air | 21:23 |
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| dolphm | we may wait to land a full fix in icehouse, and mark the feature as experimental w/ known issues for havana | 21:23 |
| ttx | dolphm: could end up being a known bug described in the release notes, yes | 21:23 |
| ttx | dolphm: anythine else ? | 21:24 |
| dolphm | that should be settled by the next meeting, if anyone has questions | 21:24 |
| dolphm | that's ti | 21:24 |
| dolphm | it | 21:24 |
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| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:24 |
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| ttx | jd__: hey | 21:24 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:24 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:24 |
| ttx | 2 FFEs: | 21:24 |
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| ttx | about alarm-service-partitioner: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44751/ all there is to it ? | 21:24 |
| ttx | (i.e. feature is completed when that lands ?) | 21:25 |
| jd__ | modulo bugs, probably | 21:25 |
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| jd__ | I didn't ask Eglynn but the code seems to cover most of what's needed | 21:25 |
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| ttx | when do you expect it to be ready ? | 21:25 |
| ttx | not much project over the last week | 21:26 |
| ttx | progress* | 21:26 |
| jd__ | I don't have any date from eglynn | 21:26 |
| jd__ | nor set any deadline per se | 21:26 |
| ttx | it's been -1ed on Sep 3 | 21:26 |
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| jd__ | ttx: our weekly meeting is in 24h so I'll check with him by then | 21:26 |
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| ttx | I would really like to close all FFEs by next week so that coredevs can focus on testing/bugfixing | 21:26 |
| jd__ | understood | 21:27 |
| ttx | alarming-logical-combination: I see 3 changes up at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/alarming-logical-combination,n,z | 21:27 |
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| ttx | Same thing, I'm not seeing a lot of activity there | 21:27 |
| jd__ | yes, Mehdi has been busy on other things AFAIK | 21:28 |
| jd__ | same thing I'll check with him tomorrow | 21:28 |
| ttx | ok, great | 21:28 |
| ttx | Last thing is the RC1 buglist, which has 4 bugs at this point | 21:28 |
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| ttx | I suspect it's not complete yet, would be nice to come up with a clear list by next week's meeting | 21:29 |
| ttx | jd__: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:29 |
| jd__ | yes, didn't had time to do it yet | 21:29 |
| jd__ | nop, all good | 21:29 |
| ttx | Questions on Ceilometer ? | 21:29 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:29 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:29 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:29 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.9.3 | 21:29 |
| notmyname | looks light, but reflects a lot of work | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | and most of the small stuff isn't there (eg changes to work with pypy) | 21:30 |
| ttx | I set them to "medium" prio so that they all appear on http://status.openstack.org/release/ | 21:30 |
| notmyname | low doesn't? | 21:30 |
| ttx | I think I just set them all to medium, someone must have adjusted to low :) | 21:30 |
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| wolfdreamer | Reported as a bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1223568 | 21:31 |
| notmyname | plan is to keep working for this week and next and then evaluate for RC | 21:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1223568 in neutron "pep8 requirements failing" [Undecided,New] | 21:31 |
| ttx | it's good to have the main features listed so that the havana marketing machine (which just woke up) can take them into account | 21:31 |
| notmyname | right | 21:31 |
| ttx | notmyname: sounds like a plan. I'll see you next week in person | 21:32 |
| notmyname | k | 21:32 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything specific you wanted to raise ? | 21:32 |
| notmyname | currently working with the CI team to fix builds | 21:32 |
| notmyname | something (not sure what) broke every patch this morning | 21:32 |
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| ttx | Questions about Swift ? | 21:33 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:33 |
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| markwash | hey hey hey | 21:33 |
| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:33 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:33 |
| ttx | One FFE for api-v2-property-protection | 21:34 |
| ttx | Should it be considered completed, or wait until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44703/ makes it ? | 21:34 |
| markwash | I think we're just waiting on jenkins | 21:34 |
| markwash | let's wait | 21:34 |
| ttx | oh, it merged | 21:34 |
| markwash | hurray! | 21:34 |
| * markwash is done with waiting | 21:34 | |
| ttx | markwash: please mark it implemented :) | 21:35 |
| ttx | What's the status of your RC1 buglist ? Under construction ? complete ? | 21:35 |
| markwash | under construction | 21:35 |
| ttx | markwash: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:35 |
| markwash | not at the moment | 21:35 |
| * ttx will drink tonight to the completion of api-v2-property-protection. sad to see an old friend go | 21:36 | |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:36 |
| markwash | :-) | 21:36 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:36 |
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| jgriffith | hey hey | 21:36 |
| ttx | jgriffith: hola! | 21:36 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:36 |
| ttx | I see 4 standing FFEs | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | painfully slow but getting there | 21:37 |
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| jgriffith | Yes, I'm going to dump https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/db-api-tests | 21:37 |
| ttx | I'll raise those "Low" to "Medium" so that they appear on the release radar | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ahh... good point | 21:37 |
| ttx | Could you tell me again what qemu-assisted-snapshots is pending on ? | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | ttx: pending on a novaclient change | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I'd have to dig up the link again :( | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | wait one | 21:38 |
| russellb | novaclient change merged today | 21:38 |
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| russellb | do you need a novaclient release? | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | russellb: Ok, that should be it | 21:38 |
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| jgriffith | russellb: shouldn't need push as I believe we're still running clients from trunk | 21:39 |
| russellb | ok, yeah | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | ttx: russellb I pinged eharney one last check | 21:39 |
| russellb | just need to release it by havana release then | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | russellb: :) | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | PLEASE :) | 21:39 |
| ttx | ok | 21:39 |
| * russellb nods | 21:39 | |
| ttx | netapp-cinder-nfs-image-cloning last patch just hit the issue mordred must be talking about | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | :) | 21:39 |
| ttx | jgriffith: I'll let you reverify it | 21:40 |
| jgriffith | Waiting for the all clear signal and I'll send it on it's way AGAIN | 21:40 |
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| ttx | eql-volume-driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43944/ still under review | 21:40 |
| ttx | how far is that ? | 21:40 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, I need to make another pass... should be getting pretty close, we've had a few turns on it | 21:40 |
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| jgriffith | I've bounced it 3 times I think, they should be very close | 21:40 |
| ttx | db-api-tests: this is actually not a FFE, but would be still nice if it landed early | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | I'm dumping it | 21:41 |
| ttx | ok | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | again, I get no responses from them for days | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | I'm over it | 21:41 |
| ttx | jgriffith: anything else on your mind ? | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | Just the LVM snap delete debacle | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | I'm going to move forward with that patch | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | I can repor the issues on 12.04 using it | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | and i'll put the config option back in to disable for those that want it | 21:42 |
| ttx | jgriffith: agreed | 21:42 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | but consulting with LVM maintainers they say that's the right way to go | 21:42 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:42 |
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| ttx | russellb: hi! | 21:42 |
| russellb | hi! | 21:42 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:42 |
| ttx | Busy front on the FFEs but you've been resisting quite efficiently | 21:42 |
| russellb | :) | 21:43 |
| ttx | I see 4 standing exceptions: | 21:43 |
| ttx | encrypt-cinder-volumes: this one was given until the end of this week to merge | 21:43 |
| russellb | encrypted volumes is progressing well, i think it can be done this week | 21:43 |
| russellb | yep | 21:43 |
| ttx | There seems to be some cinder bits in there, though: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39573/ | 21:43 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ^ | 21:43 |
| jgriffith | Yes, | 21:43 |
| jgriffith | I agreed to let them in if nova goes | 21:43 |
| jgriffith | :) | 21:43 |
| russellb | heh | 21:43 |
| * jgriffith passes the buck | 21:43 | |
| ttx | ok, just making sure it's on your radar | 21:43 |
| russellb | planning on it going in this week at least | 21:43 |
| jgriffith | it is, thanks | 21:44 |
| russellb | some final changes being requested | 21:44 |
| russellb | but they're responsive | 21:44 |
| ttx | fix-libvirt-console-logging: this one is starting to worry me a bit. It's been dead for one week now | 21:44 |
| russellb | yeah, no review traffic | 21:44 |
| russellb | i guess i need to pester some people to review it | 21:44 |
| ttx | I know it's a bugfix, but it has a high regression potential | 21:44 |
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| ttx | ok | 21:44 |
| ttx | raising vmware-image-clone-strategy to medium | 21:45 |
| russellb | and 2 low, vmware one will be fine, i think it's done | 21:45 |
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| ttx | so that it appears on the release map | 21:45 |
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| ttx | done or almost done ? | 21:45 |
| ttx | (db-api-tests-on-all-backends: this one is not really a feature, so we can ignore it) | 21:45 |
| russellb | test one, could just move to "ongoing" | 21:45 |
| russellb | i don't really care if that makes it or not | 21:45 |
| russellb | it's just tests, that's why we put it there | 21:45 |
| ttx | ongoing makes sense | 21:45 |
| russellb | well, code is done, just needs another +2 | 21:46 |
| russellb | ok cool | 21:46 |
| russellb | let's do that then | 21:46 |
| ttx | russellb: You've got a pretty nice list of targeted bugs.. is that a ~complete view ? | 21:46 |
| russellb | no, the bug list is totally wrong :) | 21:46 |
| russellb | it's full of cruft, i started clearing some out just now | 21:46 |
| russellb | and we're way behind on triage | 21:46 |
| russellb | i've started working on that this week | 21:46 |
| ttx | how about having a nova bugtriage day ? | 21:46 |
| russellb | big +1 | 21:47 |
| ttx | that could help | 21:47 |
| russellb | i know the 17th came up | 21:47 |
| ttx | maybe discuss the date at the nova meeting | 21:47 |
| russellb | i wonder if i should try to get on it sooner | 21:47 |
| ttx | just don't forget to communicate it out | 21:47 |
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| russellb | yep | 21:47 |
| ttx | you could try this Friday or something | 21:47 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:47 |
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| ttx | russellb: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:48 |
| russellb | though i may be tied up friday personally | 21:48 |
| russellb | nope don't think so | 21:48 |
| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:48 |
| russellb | other than ... if anyone wants to help with bug triage, i'd love help! :) | 21:48 |
| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 21:48 |
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| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:48 |
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| ttx | shardy: o/ | 21:48 |
| shardy | ttx: hi | 21:48 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:48 |
| ttx | No FFE, so you're feature-complete | 21:48 |
| ttx | Nice RC list, did you go through all bugs to make it ? | 21:48 |
| shardy | yup :) | 21:49 |
| ttx | Now it would be great if they all had an assignee to work on them :) | 21:49 |
| ttx | (can always be reassigned if need be) | 21:49 |
| shardy | ttx: Yes I've reviewed the bug list and will be looking for assignees for those without at tomorrows meeting | 21:49 |
| ttx | then you're all set. anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:50 |
| shardy | Not atm, thanks! | 21:50 |
| ttx | Questions about Heat ? | 21:50 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:50 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: o/ | 21:50 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:50 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:50 |
| ttx | One standing FFE for fwaas-horizon | 21:50 |
| gabrielhurley | the FWaaS BP is merging currently | 21:50 |
| gabrielhurley | it's already approved | 21:50 |
| gabrielhurley | just waiting on Gerrit | 21:51 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38724/ | 21:51 |
| ttx | merged | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | oh | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | well then | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | BP marked implemented now | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | and that takes care of that | 21:51 |
| ttx | ah! I busted you this time | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | exciting little flurry to get those last two in, but I'm glad we did | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks to all the Neutron and Horizon folks who worked very hard and very fast to make that happen | 21:52 |
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| ttx | so technically it landed before this meeting, as promised, congrats | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | :-) | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | I try | 21:52 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: How complete is your RC1 buglist ? | 21:52 |
| ttx | looks shorter than your usual ones | 21:52 |
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| gabrielhurley | ummm... the ones that are on it are definitely valid. I *haven't* done a full triage on the backlog to see what should be in there that wasn't in the H3 list | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | that's on my list for this week | 21:53 |
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| ttx | awesome | 21:53 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:53 |
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| gabrielhurley | no, those FFEs and the buglist were about it | 21:53 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: thx | 21:53 |
| ttx | anyone representing oslo around ? | 21:53 |
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| ttx | maybe markmc is still in vacation | 21:54 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:54 |
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| ttx | devananda, hub_cap: hello! | 21:54 |
| ttx | Any question ? | 21:54 |
| devananda | hi! | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | hello | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | nope. im ready for rc1 to be cut tho :) | 21:55 |
| ttx | hub_cap: you mean Trove is actually bug-free ? | 21:55 |
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| hub_cap | heck no | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | i mean y es | 21:55 |
| ttx | goood answer | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | :) | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | it means i dont have any blockers for rc1/havana | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | :P | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | and it means i dont fully understand the ammt of work itll be to backport (but im sure ill find out lol) | 21:56 |
| devananda | ironic is not going for a release in H, so we wont have an RC | 21:56 |
| ttx | hub_cap: so.. what we could do is cut the havana release branch like... tomorrow and the tag RC1 Thursday if nothing happens | 21:56 |
| devananda | I'm going to be watching what hub_cap is doing, though, to prep myself for next cycle :) | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | ttx fine by me! | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | devananda: find a nice rock to hide behind, thats my plan | 21:57 |
| ttx | devananda: the simpler for you is to consider master being icehouse now | 21:57 |
| ttx | since we won't do a stable/havana branch there | 21:57 |
| devananda | ttx: ack. shall i start retargeting things? | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | ttx when would we open icehouse for merge given your plan above? | 21:58 |
| devananda | *when shall .. | 21:58 |
| ttx | devananda: I'll give it another thought after a night sleep to see if I spot an issue with doing it now | 21:58 |
| ttx | and tell you tomorrow | 21:58 |
| devananda | k | 21:58 |
| ttx | #action ttx to cut trove havana release wednesday and the tag RC1 Thursday if nothing happens | 21:59 |
| ttx | #action ttx to check that ironic can already switch to icehouse | 21:59 |
| ttx | hub_cap: just after the release branch is created. Tomorrow | 21:59 |
| hub_cap | okey | 21:59 |
| hub_cap | the trovesters thank you ttx | 21:59 |
| ttx | hub_cap: I'll ping you tomorrow about that | 22:00 |
| hub_cap | <3 | 22:00 |
| ttx | devananda: anything else ? | 22:00 |
| * hub_cap whispers 'say hugs devananda' | 22:00 | |
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| ttx | well then | 22:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 10 22:00:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-09-10-21.02.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-09-10-21.02.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-09-10-21.02.log.html | 22:00 |
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| ttx | trovesters. Ew | 22:01 |
| devananda | ttx: nope! thanks for everything :) | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | its like hipster ttx | 22:01 |
| devananda | hub_cap: did you move to portland? | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | heh | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | (sry gabrielhurley) | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | hokay. horizon. huzzah! | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 10 22:02:10 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | hi folks | 22:02 |
| david-lyle | Hello | 22:02 |
| lsmola_ | hello | 22:02 |
| lcheng | hello | 22:02 |
| jpich | Hello | 22:02 |
| lblanchard | hey all | 22:02 |
| jcoufal | Heya | 22:02 |
| kbenton | hello | 22:02 |
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| amotoki_ | hi | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | #topic overview | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | I'm gonna paraphrase ttx from the start of the last meeting here... | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | The havana-3 milestone has been cut, and we're in feature freeze. The two FFE blueprints that came up are also merged. Thanks everyone for work on that. | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | The goal this week is to come up with a clear list of release-critical bugs (bugs targeted to the havana-rc1 milestone) | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | This is usually best done by going through all bugs and targeting the appropriate ones... then monitor the new ones filed | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | Wwhen we get that list down to 0 we can create the havana release branch and tag our first release candidate | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | Then master can be open for icehouse business | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | Note that each project can have their RC1 at a different time (it happens whenever ready). Ideally all RC1s would be out before the end of the month. | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | ttx also created an Icehouse-1 milestone for us for targeting things forward | 22:04 |
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| gabrielhurley | (I copied and pasted most of that, just changing some grammar) | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | Any questions on all that? | 22:05 |
| jcoufal | Nice | 22:05 |
| jpich | Daisy is planning around Sept 20th-24th to have the Horizon translations ready, btw | 22:05 |
| jcoufal | When is going to happen some planning for Icehouse? | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | awesome | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | jcoufal: aside from Hong Kong? ;-) | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | there's no formal planning sessions scheduled outside of the summit | 22:06 |
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| gabrielhurley | we can talk in these meetings, on the ML, etc. | 22:06 |
| jcoufal | gabrielhurley: yeah, aside from HK :) | 22:06 |
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| gabrielhurley | if the core team needs to sync up we can schedule a google hangout or something | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | feel free to spearhead any discussions you want to have | 22:06 |
| jcoufal | sounds good, thanks | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | though the focus for the next week or two should be polishing the H release | 22:06 |
| jcoufal | of course | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | I think the release stuff is all I have for project-wide business. | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic blueprints | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | the two Neutron FFE blueprints are merged as of today | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | there are a bunch of reviews to continue polishing those, but we nailed the target for getting them in. great job. | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | amotoki has been diligently posting patch after patch of improvements. ;-) | 22:08 |
| amotoki_ | thanks everyone. | 22:08 |
| david-lyle | thanks amotoki_ | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm not aware of any other blueprints that would be considered for FFE, so I think we are *truly* in feature freeze now. | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | which makes the "blueprints" portion of the meeting really short. | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | For this phase I'll carry over into a bugs section though | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic bugs | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:09 | |
| gabrielhurley | My goal for this week is to do a complete inventory of the Horizon bug list and do two things: | 22:10 |
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| gabrielhurley | 1. move anything that I think is a regression in Havana or a (fixable) bug in a new feature into the RC1 milestone | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | 2. Close out old tickets which are either fixed, have not been reproduced/updated in a long time, or which are no longer relevant | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | the current RC1 buglist is pretty short by comparison to previous releases | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | I expect it to grow | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | on the plus side, most of them are not exeptionally deterimental issues | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | As of right now everything seems well in hand | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | we'll see how it looks next week | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | does anybody have bugs they particularly want to call attention to? | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | for the other Core folks, feel free to triage bugs into the RC1 milestone, but if you do I recommend leaving a new comment explaining where the bug is at or why it's important, otherwise it might get triaged back out. | 22:13 |
| jpich | Makes sense | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | okay then... moving on | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:14 |
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| gabrielhurley | I have two items for the open discussion this week | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | 1. I wanted to talk for a minute about our blueprint triage and targeting processes | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | I've noticed (particularly at the end of H3) that blueprints were just "showing up" in the H3 list. And not like when a community member proposes a BP for Havana and the like, but actually targeted and accepted... | 22:15 |
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| gabrielhurley | I encourage Core folks to have the power to target/untarget blueprints and bugs, but we need to make sure we're in sync about them | 22:16 |
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| gabrielhurley | My preference is that we discuss the priorities for a release/cycle at the start of the cycle so we set the full list appropriately (as we've done for most of this past Havana release) | 22:17 |
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| gabrielhurley | and if there are BPs that should come in later we bring them up with the team at this meeting or via email | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | and anytime you change the targeting of a blueprint please leave a comment in the whiteboard section | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | I usually do this when I bump blueprints out, but I think it's good to do when targeting to a specific milestone too | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | gives us a good record and helps set expectations | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | anybody else have thoughts on that? | 22:18 |
| lsmola_ | makes sense | 22:18 |
| jcoufal | gabrielhurley: would you expect reasoning in whiteboard also for the initial targeting of bp/bug? | 22:19 |
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| gabrielhurley | Lemme rephrase... Core folks, sound good? | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | jcoufal: ideally | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | yep | 22:19 |
| jpich | Yep | 22:19 |
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| amotoki_ | makes sense. | 22:19 |
| lcheng | yup | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | like, I might leave a note that says "targeting to H3 to make sure Nova has time to implement the feature before we do" | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | or "bumping to Icehouse to make sure we have lots of time to get this right" | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | which brings me to my second topic... | 22:20 |
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| gabrielhurley | 2. I've got some time this week from my employer to work on interesting projects of my own, and I'm currently spending that working with the realtime stuff (message bus listener and websocket server) | 22:21 |
| gabrielhurley | I don't have specific findings so far other than to say that the POC code was of great help to me in experimenting with it and it's definitely on the right track | 22:21 |
| gabrielhurley | I think we'll want to do a bunch of architectural work on how we go about transforming and filtering that data to turn it into items Horizon understands and can take action on | 22:21 |
| gabrielhurley | some sort of plugin model akin to ceilometer | 22:22 |
| lsmola_ | cool | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | but I just wanted to report back that I am actively involved with it and it's totally gonna happen in I | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | the current implementation with tornado and socksJS may or may not be what we want to stick with, btw | 22:23 |
| gabrielhurley | we should think about how far back we want to try and add support (e.g. which fallbacks we care about behind websockets) | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | interesting topics for the future. | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | :-) | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | anybody else got stuff they want to talk about? | 22:24 |
| lcheng | gabrielhurley: will there be a following-up in the summit about the version api? | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | ah yes. that. | 22:26 |
| gabrielhurley | that would be a good idea | 22:26 |
| gabrielhurley | I just got a bit burnt out on it before | 22:26 |
| gabrielhurley | the discussion tends to turn into a format war | 22:26 |
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| gabrielhurley | I think it'd be good to look at what Nova has done in the v3 API and what Neutron's been up to and to try and bring that back into a single vision | 22:26 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm not sure if I have the bandwidth to run that this summit, so if someone else wants to own that I'd be in favor of playing a supporting role personally. | 22:27 |
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| gabrielhurley | I've got another initiative I'm spearheading this time that will be unveiled/proposed soonish | 22:27 |
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| gabrielhurley | anybody else? | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | if not, we'll make this a short meeting | 22:29 |
| lcheng | I can look into the version api, need to read-up on the old thread to get up-to-speed. | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, I'd have to review too | 22:30 |
| gabrielhurley | I am interested in what the other projects have done in the interim though | 22:30 |
| david-lyle | any thought to the keystone v3 multi-backend support | 22:31 |
| lcheng | I'll look into Nova and Neutron as suggested. | 22:31 |
| david-lyle | per domain backends like ldap for one, sql for another? | 22:31 |
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| david-lyle | I think we're fairly insulated other than setup time | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, I think I can honestly say I have zero thoughts on that | 22:32 |
| david-lyle | domain creation that is | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | thoughts welcome | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | :-) | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | it's not a topic I've considered at all thus far | 22:33 |
| gabrielhurley | well done for finding one | 22:33 |
| david-lyle | I'll invest some more time looking into it, but that may have some implications in I | 22:33 |
| gabrielhurley | sounds good | 22:33 |
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| gabrielhurley | okay. let's call it a short meeting and get on with our days/to bed depending on timezone. | 22:35 |
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| gabrielhurley | have a great week folks | 22:35 |
| david-lyle | Thanks | 22:35 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 10 22:35:54 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-09-10-22.02.html | 22:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-09-10-22.02.txt | 22:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-09-10-22.02.log.html | 22:35 |
| lcheng | thanks | 22:36 |
| jcoufal | thanks, have a great week everybody | 22:36 |
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| jpich | Cheers | 22:36 |
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| lsmola_ | thanks, bye | 22:36 |
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| amotoki_ | thanks. have a goo day/night | 22:36 |
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| lblanchard | bye all | 22:37 |
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