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| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 14:00 |
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| nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 7 14:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| kairat__ | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| tsymanczyk | o/ | 14:00 |
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| nikhil | let's give a couple of mins for people to show up | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:01 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil | ok, let's get started | 14:01 |
| nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| itisha | o/ | 14:01 |
| itisha | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil | small agenda today | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | let's make sure we raise any important concerns if any | 14:02 |
| nikhil | #topic Glare updates ( mfedosin ) | 14:02 |
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| mfedosin | hello | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | so, we implemented artifact type for murano and tested it | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | several small bugs were found and fixed | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | and in general murano is ready to switch to glare v1 when it's merged | 14:04 |
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| mfedosin | tomorrow I'll attend a meeting with Heat team | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | and will try to implement artifact type for them | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | also Serg Skripnick implemented some POC for app-catalog | 14:05 |
| wxy | o/ | 14:05 |
| sskripnick1 | true | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | we implemented a lot of functional tests for glare and now it's pretty stable and works really nice | 14:06 |
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| mfedosin | for sure there are many bugs, but all required functionality and common scenarios work | 14:06 |
| sigmavirus | :thumbsup: | 14:07 |
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| mfedosin | spec was reviewed and we got +2 from Brian | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita: thanks for you support | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | so, all people are waiting when it's merged | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | btw, I added a small doc about installation of glare in devstack | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | there is a link in the spec | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | but I'll copy it here | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KyY8VB00XvehtpBcLDo_Andx0BDgG-C7E_TdhfvcGv4/edit | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | I wrote it mostly for myself, but all required commands are there | 14:10 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: is there any chance that you'll review the spec? | 14:10 |
| bunting | Is there an offical doc for the installation guidelines? | 14:10 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: yes, I will review it. I have thought about some overlap with glance and will test those with your installtion link. | 14:11 |
| kairat__ | I guess we can't release doc for non-merged functionality | 14:11 |
| nikhil | what kairat__ said | 14:11 |
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| mfedosin | bunting: yeah, it's a temporary doc | 14:11 |
| bunting | Makes sense | 14:11 |
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| mfedosin | so, we have end of N-2 next week | 14:12 |
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| mfedosin | 15th of July afair | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | as far as I know no features are allowed to be merged after that, right? | 14:13 |
| nikhil | july 29th is spec freeze | 14:14 |
| nikhil | 2weeks before newton-3 is feature freeze | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: it's good to hear | 14:14 |
| nikhil | newton-2 is next week, but we will try to release it on tuesday not thursday ie. on 12th | 14:15 |
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| mfedosin | ppl from other projects want glare to be merged in n-2 | 14:15 |
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| mfedosin | so they will be able to implement poc in Newton | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | I mean Murano, Newton and App-Catalog | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | since all code is done and tested | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | can we do it on Monday, for example? | 14:17 |
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| nikhil | you want multiple thousands of lines of code to be merged in one day? | 14:18 |
| mfedosin | there was a month for review of code | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | there is not so much code btw | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | and will split it in 10 small patches | 14:20 |
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| sigmavirus | o/ jokke_ | 14:20 |
| mfedosin | currently there are 7, but we added sqlalchemy db, locks and schemas | 14:20 |
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| mfedosin | jokke_: o/ | 14:20 |
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| nikhil | afaict, there is no review on glare patches today | 14:22 |
| mfedosin | we can begin with spec :) nikhil jokke_ your feedback is very welcome | 14:22 |
| nikhil | can't speak for others, but I would be hesitent to +W those | 14:22 |
| nikhil | I can try to push the spec by newton-2 though | 14:22 |
| nikhil | personally, with different events in june I didn't get enough time for consolidated reviews. our june focus was to move forward on specs and different types of proposals. | 14:24 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: again, if glare v1 is not available till the end of n2 then none of external projects will be able to use it in Newton | 14:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | hm, that probably pushes adoption even furhter to O cycle | 14:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | i have a deja vu feeling =) | 14:25 |
| nikhil | this is news to me and am unable to understand why they think so | 14:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | last couple of cycles there were very similar concerns (most of them about glance v3 though) | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | well I do understand that they can't merge any changes that depends glare before glare is actually merged, but I don't see why they can't start the work while we are reviewing the code, latest after the spec has been approved and there is likelyhood us merging the code in Newton | 14:27 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: I think we need to have all the glare stakeholders at glare meeting on monday to discuss all such issues. | 14:27 |
| nikhil | the glance v3 fallout seems to be hitting us back badly. clarification on the difference seems necessary. | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: I don't mind to discuss it with stakeholders on Monday | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | but app-catalog is going to switch to glare | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | now they use outdated html pages | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | and people have to push edits on review to add things there | 14:30 |
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| mfedosin | they have been waiting glare so badly for last six month | 14:30 |
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| jokke_ | what comes to the sudden urgency about this, there is two things that needs to be kept in mind a) merging that code needs to happen so that it's comfortable for glance community as glare is part of glance b) what I was surprisedly asking already right after summit, glare is not part of glance priorities this cycle | 14:31 |
| mfedosin | and what's the problem to merge the code now? glare is a separate service, it doesn't affect glance at all | 14:31 |
| nikhil | all of this isn't a strong enough reasoning to compromise on our reviews | 14:31 |
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| jokke_ | I don't think it's realistic expect that it becomes suddenly priority when there is few weeks left of the development cycle | 14:31 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: what have you been doing all last month? why I haven't seen reviews from your side? and now you want more time for what? | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | that said, I'd be more than happy to see it being stable and merged sooner rather than later, but I can't be speaking on behalf of the whole community | 14:32 |
| nikhil | I would like for the community to be civil about priorities, process, lite-specs, etc. things. the appropriate time to discuss that was pre-summit, summit and a bit of time after that. | 14:33 |
| nikhil | I don't have to explain my schedule to everyone | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | jokke_: when adoption begins we can address issues much quicker, now we're in development vacuum - only functional tests are there. so I agree with you | 14:34 |
| nikhil | if you have attended events and the follow up stuff, you know what we have been focusing on. | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: one question - what are we waiting for now? | 14:35 |
| nikhil | I fail to understand why there isn't a single review on the glare code? | 14:36 |
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| nikhil | if I have to review many specs, I can't spend entire day on one single feature | 14:36 |
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| rosmaita | i suspect it's because of the '[WIP]' in the commit message title? | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | (why no reviews, i mean) | 14:37 |
| nikhil | I tried to encourage sudipto, abhishek and other new members interested in glance to review glare | 14:37 |
| kairat__ | we split the code as requested, one single patch is convenient for updates | 14:37 |
| kairat__ | because it does not ddos reviewers | 14:37 |
| mfedosin | 1. there were reviews - we addressed them | 14:37 |
| nikhil | after many conversations with new members and many motivation pushes to them, they have disappeared giving me their feedback privately. | 14:38 |
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| wxy | rosmaita: for myself, I will not review the WIP patch, because it means the patch is no ready IMO. just my personal idea. | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | wxy: my point exactly | 14:39 |
| mfedosin | there is a set of stable patches that are ready for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330458/ | 14:40 |
| kairat__ | sorry, that's not true | 14:40 |
| kairat__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/glance+branch:master+topic:bp/glare-api | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | Honestly I've had three main reasons where the later 2 are directly impacted by the first 1) limitations of my time 2) The spec has not been agreed on / merged making it difficult to review if we are implementing by the desing 3) as Brian mentioned [WIP] has been generally the indication "This is not ready for review, pushed to gerrit to see how tests behaves against the change" | 14:40 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: there's confusion on what is WIP and what is ready for review | 14:41 |
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| mfedosin | we prepared these patches specially for community reviews | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | so for me reviewing something that has the points 2) & 3) is not good use for the limited time I have in my disposal | 14:41 |
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| kairat__ | so we discussed this at virtual summit | 14:42 |
| nikhil | this doesn't seem like a productive debate | 14:42 |
| kairat__ | and concern was the saem | 14:42 |
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| kairat__ | that we will be lack of reviews if sped won't be merged | 14:43 |
| kairat__ | now we failed with the same case AFAIU | 14:43 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-virtual-midcycle | 14:43 |
| mfedosin | scroll till the end | 14:44 |
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| jokke_ | mfedosin, kairat__: I will re-review the spec after this meeting again | 14:44 |
| mfedosin | we had reviews before July, 5th | 14:44 |
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| mfedosin | jokke_: thanks :) | 14:44 |
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| nikhil | kairat__: it's rarely (or small part) about the process. we really need to work as a community. | 14:45 |
| nikhil | having said that, I think for spec good work has been done. we've really good number of reviews there. | 14:46 |
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| nikhil | and many +1s have come rather recently which is why I am positive about spec before newton-2 but not the code | 14:47 |
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| nikhil | for instance, no one from others teams who want to use glare (in a rush) have bothered to review the code | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | do you remember that there are plans to make v1 stable in n3 | 14:48 |
| mfedosin | it will be almost impossible without any adoption | 14:48 |
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| nikhil | to add to that, they are imposing a deadline on glance team without discussion even at the summit or after, which is unacceptable | 14:48 |
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| rosmaita | we probably need to move on ... what is the summary of the above discussion? | 14:49 |
| mfedosin | I think there is no summary | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | (or do we need a cooling-down period before summarizing) | 14:49 |
| mfedosin | we're waiting for nikhil to review the spec | 14:50 |
| nikhil | also, on lack of reviews, I want to stress that we do have a separate meeting and we need to use it to move forward community discussions | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: maybe send a reminder of the glare sync to ML for interested parties? | 14:50 |
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| nikhil | until now, most of the feedback given to me was that people don't understand glare completely | 14:51 |
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| rosmaita | the spec will fix that, it is extremely thorough | 14:51 |
| kairat__ | +1 to rosmaita | 14:51 |
| nikhil | I can share some of my findings that seem critical (but is untested) in the -glance channel right after this meeting. | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | lets give this bit cooldown, and continue offline ... we have 9 min, so nikhil how about moving on? | 14:52 |
| kairat__ | that;s why we wrote use cases in spec | 14:52 |
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| rosmaita | if someone is vague about glare after reading that spec, they probably should take up a different line of work | 14:52 |
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| nikhil | rosmaita: it will be clear when I state some of my concerns on why people think so | 14:52 |
| nikhil | (I was of same opinion that spec should clarify all things) | 14:53 |
| nikhil | #topic Project mascot for glance | 14:53 |
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| nikhil | so a new initiative and it's around marketing | 14:54 |
| nikhil | we need to finalize on this by jul 27th | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | here is my suggestion: http://largestfastestsmartest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/wpc0bc5e54_0f.jpg - don't know if it's a good marketing tool, though | 14:54 |
| nikhil | so, I need initial suggestions by tuesday so that if there's overlap with other projects we get time | 14:55 |
| nikhil | criterion: anything from the natural world—an animal, fish, plant, or natural feature such as a mountain or waterfall | 14:55 |
| bunting | Should it be related to glance if possible? | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: that's nice and well planned heads up for such | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | (my suggestion is both glancing and glaring) | 14:56 |
| nikhil | #action all: send nikhil suggestion for project mascot | 14:56 |
| nikhil | #topic open discussion | 14:57 |
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| rosmaita | i think item 3.2 will require a bit of time, but the idea is that we should structure db changes a bit in this release to help with eventual rolling upgrades | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | for item 3.3, i would like to take this to the api-wg in an hour unless there are objections | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1585917/comments/3 | 14:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585917 in Glance "member-create will raise 500 error if member-id is greater than 255 characters" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane) | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | unless people think this schema proposal is absurd | 14:58 |
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| hemanthm | rosmaita: what we have currently is absurd too | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | nikhil: is it ok if i float the idea with api-wg, or do you want me to wait a week? | 14:59 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: works for me | 14:59 |
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| nikhil | rosmaita: api-wg | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ty, i will see what they say | 15:00 |
| hemanthm | rosmaita: +1 to reach api-wg | 15:00 |
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| nikhil | rosmaita: if you can link me when they are discussing, that would be helpful. | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I think it's ok to ask their feedback even if we're not decided yet | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita to take member schema proposal to api-wg | 15:00 |
| nikhil | and we're out of time | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks all! | 15:00 |
| nikhil | thanks all for joining | 15:00 |
| nikhil | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 15:00:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-07-07-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-07-07-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-07-07-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| TravT_ | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 7 15:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
| TravT_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| RickA-HP | o/ | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | (am close to coffee emergency, though) | 15:01 |
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| yingjun | o/ | 15:01 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 15:01 |
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| sjmc7 | o/ | 15:01 |
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| sjmc7 | rosmaita: that phrase has become too graphic in my mind | 15:02 |
| TravT_ | lol | 15:02 |
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| TravT_ | okay. agenda here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| matt-borland | o/ | 15:02 |
| TravT_ | #topic mid cycle hangout | 15:03 |
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| rosmaita | sjmc7: i'm not sure i'm built for all these back-to-back meetings | 15:03 |
| TravT_ | http://doodle.com/poll/stxrx9wxq38itnk3ew9ym4rr/admin#table | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | isn | 15:03 |
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| sjmc7 | t hat all the management entails? | 15:03 |
| TravT_ | so, based on the doodle poll | 15:04 |
| TravT_ | 19th or 20th look best. | 15:05 |
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| TravT_ | i'd like to propose http://everytimezone.com/#2016-7-20,1560,cn3 | 15:05 |
| TravT_ | unless there are any objections | 15:05 |
| TravT_ | that is one of two slots that has green for all voting participants | 15:05 |
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| RickA-HP | That sounds good to me. | 15:06 |
| rosmaita | is that july 21 in the usa? | 15:06 |
| rosmaita | (not sure i'm reading correctly) | 15:06 |
| TravT_ | oops | 15:06 |
| TravT_ | accidentally move the slider before copy pasting | 15:07 |
| TravT_ | http://everytimezone.com/#2016-7-20,120,cn3 | 15:07 |
| TravT_ | ^ that should align to the doodle poll time | 15:07 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's better | 15:07 |
| lei-zh | I'm fine with the time | 15:07 |
| RickA-HP | I was going off the doodle poll time :) | 15:07 |
| rosmaita | TravT_: what's the length of the meeting? | 15:08 |
| TravT_ | 2 hours okay? | 15:08 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 15:08 |
| yingjun | ok for me | 15:09 |
| lei-zh | +1 | 15:09 |
| TravT_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-newton-hangout | 15:09 |
| TravT_ | Proposed agenda there | 15:10 |
| TravT_ | add items | 15:10 |
| TravT_ | I'll put connection information there as well | 15:10 |
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| TravT_ | #info searchlight newton hangout will be http://everytimezone.com/#2016-7-20,120,cn3 | 15:11 |
| TravT_ | up next | 15:11 |
| TravT_ | #topic Mascot | 15:11 |
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| TravT_ | i got an email | 15:12 |
| TravT_ | from the foundation saying that each project team can select a mascot | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | hahaha | 15:12 |
| matt-borland | the big fluffy kind? | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | animal/vegetable/mineral? | 15:12 |
| TravT_ | The idea is to create a family of logos for OpenStack projects that are unique, yet immediately identifiable as part of OpenStack. We’ll be using these logos to promote your project on the OpenStack website, at the Summit and in marketing materials. We’re asking project teams to choose a mascot to represent as their logo. Your team can select your own mascot, and then we’ll have an illustrator create the | 15:13 |
| TravT_ | logo for you (and we also plan to print some special collateral such as stickers for your team in Barcelona). | 15:13 |
| TravT_ | Your mascot can be anything from the natural world—an animal, fish, plant, or natural feature such as a mountain or waterfall. We ask that you don’t choose a mascot that another company or project in the ecosystem is already using. To facilitate this, we suggest your team choose and prioritize a few mascot candidates by July 27. | 15:13 |
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| TravT_ | I asked: A question, since our project name is already an “object” (a searchlight), would a searchlight or a lighthouse like logo be a viable mascot? | 15:13 |
| matt-borland | +1 | 15:13 |
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| TravT_ | And the response was: - there are quite a few OpenStack project names that suggest specific human-made objects, and I imagine we’ll get a lot of questions on them (or requests for exceptions). I’d suggest that your team think of something from the natural world that might offer searchlight-type capabilities (I’m thinking of bioluminescent creatures, or creatures that are particularly good at finding things | 15:13 |
| TravT_ | , working in the dark, or using unique senses like a beluga). Another option might be to select a natural feature such as a land peninsula and strongly recommend to the illustrator that a lighthouse would work well on it! | 15:13 |
| matt-borland | -1 beluga | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | how aobut one of those deep-water fish that has its own flashlight? | 15:14 |
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| TravT_ | the one that almost ate Nemo? | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | hahaha | 15:14 |
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| rosmaita | who couldn't love this: http://www.fiboni.com/wp-content/images/anglerfish.jpg?a0f395 | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | angler fish! | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, the illustrator will love drawing that! | 15:15 |
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| rosmaita | we would need a disney-ized version | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | “more teeth please" | 15:15 |
| TravT_ | hahaha | 15:15 |
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| rosmaita | we would have the coolest t-shirts, though | 15:15 |
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| sjmc7 | :) | 15:15 |
| TravT_ | "Searchlight Anglers" | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | and one day the best o’reilly book cover! | 15:15 |
| matt-borland | :) | 15:16 |
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| yingjun | rosmaita love that one | 15:16 |
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| yingjun | :) | 15:16 |
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| TravT_ | other options could be something like a blood hound | 15:17 |
| TravT_ | or maybe a prison with inmates escaping and a searchlight on them | 15:17 |
| matt-borland | or a bat | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | i like the prison idea | 15:18 |
| TravT_ | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c0/ed/84/c0ed847982f56a3bc7a6dba7ee638383.jpg | 15:18 |
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| rosmaita | i think that one's taken | 15:18 |
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| matt-borland | bats use echolocation, although that's just polling, no notifications | 15:19 |
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| TravT_ | google already has some sweet drawings for prisoners escaping | 15:19 |
| TravT_ | https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2012/4-3/Eq8xPRqyZK-8.png | 15:19 |
| rosmaita | there's always http://www.firefly.org/images/pictures/firefly-pics2.jpg | 15:20 |
| TravT_ | (is kidding) | 15:20 |
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| rosmaita | TravT_: that looks as good as the current glance logo | 15:20 |
| TravT_ | well, anyway, we'll have until july 27th | 15:21 |
| TravT_ | if you think of any ideas, please bring them to the next meeting or two | 15:21 |
| TravT_ | next topic | 15:21 |
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| TravT_ | #topic cross region | 15:21 |
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| TravT_ | sjmc7 ^ | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | hello! | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | at the summit we discussed cross-region search for a while in that sauna room | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | and decided not to do anything too complicated but add region_name to resource mappings to support client-side cross region search | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | it occurred as i was about to add it that it’s entirely redundant since the client already knows which region it’s searching | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | so i’m now inclined to not do anything until someone says they need it | 15:23 |
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| sjmc7 | otherwise it’s just another thing we have to support without a really clear use case. the one instance it would be useful is if a deployer set up elasticsearch to handle the aggregation, but i don’t see that happening in the near future while it’s still a very new project | 15:24 |
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| sjmc7 | it’s not technically hard to add region name, i just am reluctant to add things without a clear need | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | thoughts? | 15:25 |
| david-lyle | sjmc7, how do you query by region? | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | well, right now SL is deployed into a region | 15:25 |
| david-lyle | if the data is not region specific? | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | same as nova, or glance | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | so you already know the region you’re querying | 15:25 |
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| david-lyle | right | 15:25 |
| david-lyle | ok | 15:25 |
| TravT_ | for reference, here is the spec that led to the discussion at the summit | 15:25 |
| TravT_ | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/searchlight-specs/specs/newton/cross-region-search.html | 15:25 |
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| TravT_ | Proposed change section and alternatives contain info | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | like i say, it’s not hard to add, but it’s information the client already has | 15:26 |
| david-lyle | are there configurations where you would combine region data into one ES? | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | there might be, but i would imagine that’s a way down the road | 15:27 |
| TravT_ | hmm, that is a good question though | 15:27 |
| david-lyle | well glance is often shared across regions | 15:28 |
| david-lyle | but that's a different problem | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | ok. then that might be a good use case | 15:28 |
| TravT_ | if for some reason, somebody setup multiple regions on the same control plane | 15:28 |
| TravT_ | with shared ES | 15:28 |
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| sjmc7 | so in that config you’d have keystone & glance shared but nova, neutron split by region? | 15:28 |
| david-lyle | yes | 15:29 |
| david-lyle | trying to remember if region value is populated in the service catalog in that case | 15:30 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, it may be like keystone where it has multiple entries in the catalog but the same URL | 15:30 |
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| sjmc7 | wait, that sounds wrong. ok, i’ll look into whether that’d be doable as things are at the moment | 15:31 |
| david-lyle | this may be a rat-hole, but i think adding the region would be potentially useful long term | 15:31 |
| david-lyle | but we may not need to rush | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | ok. well, it’s not hard to do, so maybe make it optional | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | default it to true in devstack and CI so it’s tested | 15:32 |
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| david-lyle | allows for smarter use of the client long term | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | not having to artificially add region value after the fact | 15:32 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah. ok, sold to the handsome chap at the back | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | \o/ | 15:33 |
| TravT_ | allright, | 15:34 |
| TravT_ | guess that's been covered | 15:34 |
| TravT_ | #topic Reviews needing attention (1 more +2) | 15:34 |
| * david-lyle is here to "speed" things up | 15:34 | |
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| TravT_ | There are several reviews out there which have a +2 | 15:34 |
| TravT_ | so at least there has been some rigor applied | 15:35 |
| TravT_ | if we could get some more core eyes on them, it would be nice | 15:35 |
| TravT_ | First one: EASY! Index settings https://review.openstack.org/333958 | 15:35 |
| TravT_ | that one really is fairly easy to try out. | 15:35 |
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| TravT_ | The next one is definitely a little more intimidating, but it is high priority and has been banged on quite a bit. | 15:37 |
| TravT_ | High Priority! Reduce Nova API Calls https://review.openstack.org/317100 | 15:37 |
| TravT_ | There are three more related ones, the aren't too hard, but are lower priority | 15:38 |
| TravT_ | https://review.openstack.org/333018 | 15:38 |
| TravT_ | https://review.openstack.org/308582 | 15:38 |
| TravT_ | https://review.openstack.org/333034 | 15:38 |
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| TravT_ | Okay, that's all for the call for reviews today | 15:38 |
| david-lyle | in f2f meetings today but can look when flying home tonight | 15:39 |
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| TravT_ | cool, thanks, david-lyle | 15:39 |
| TravT_ | are you in hillsboro? | 15:39 |
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| sjmc7 | you’re such a jetsetter | 15:39 |
| david-lyle | yeah | 15:39 |
| TravT_ | #topic open discussion | 15:40 |
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| TravT_ | that's all for the agenda | 15:40 |
| TravT_ | anything else on anybody's mind? | 15:40 |
| david-lyle | sjmc7, only the most glamorous destinations | 15:40 |
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| sjmc7 | i didn’t have anything, TravT_ | 15:41 |
| TravT_ | i guess I should mention that i'll be at the horizon mid cycle next week. | 15:41 |
| TravT_ | if there aren't any topics on the agenda by Wednesday next week, i can just cancel the meeting | 15:42 |
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| TravT_ | if you think of any mascot ideas | 15:42 |
| TravT_ | add them here | 15:42 |
| TravT_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-mascot_suggesstions | 15:42 |
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| TravT_ | ok. | 15:42 |
| TravT_ | thanks everybody | 15:42 |
| TravT_ | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 15:42:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-07-07-15.00.html | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-07-07-15.00.txt | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | bye! | 15:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-07-07-15.00.log.html | 15:43 |
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| david-lyle | thanks | 15:43 |
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| mhayden | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 7 16:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mhayden. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:00 |
| mhayden | ooh, i hit it right on 11:00:00 :) | 16:00 |
| palendae | Hello | 16:00 |
| mhayden | #topic Roll call | 16:00 |
| asettle | Nice job mhayden | 16:00 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 16:00 |
| asettle | o/ | 16:00 |
| automagically | o/ | 16:00 |
| andymccr | o/ | 16:00 |
| mhayden | or perhaps i should have said 16:00 :P | 16:00 |
| andymccr | you're the best mhayden. | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | congrats mhayden you're as good as a swiss watch :D | 16:00 |
| * mhayden hugs andymccr | 16:00 | |
| logan- | o/ | 16:00 |
| ametts | o/ | 16:00 |
| jmccrory | o/ | 16:00 |
| mhayden | howdy ametts | 16:01 |
| * ametts waves | 16:01 | |
| spotz | \o/ | 16:01 |
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| thorst | o/ | 16:01 |
| eil397 | o/ | 16:01 |
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| bgmccollum | \/°\ | 16:02 |
| rromans | . | 16:02 |
| automagically | bgmccollum: You doing the worm there? | 16:02 |
| bgmccollum | lol | 16:02 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:02 |
| mhayden | okay, got a good crows here | 16:02 |
| mhayden | #topic Action items from last week | 16:02 |
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| mhayden | the only i found was for odyssey4me to dig into Liberty/Mitaka releases | 16:03 |
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| odyssey4me | done :) | 16:03 |
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| mhayden | well, fantastic! | 16:03 |
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| mhayden | #topic Mid-cycle Planning | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | boom! ahead of the curve | 16:03 |
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| mhayden | i saw we had an agenda taking shape there in the etherpad | 16:03 |
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| mhayden | #link Mid-cycle etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-midcycle-newton | 16:04 |
| * mhayden nudges galstrom to add himself into the etherpad | 16:04 | |
| galstrom | mhayden i saw the nudge earlier.. roger wilco | 16:04 |
| mhayden | everyone: if you have input on the agenda, please be sure to add it there | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | Can we time box day 1 a bit more please - rather book work session time slots for day 2... let's try and keep day 1 for status updates and identifying issues to resolve in the work sessions. | 16:05 |
| mhayden | i have the main room booked, and i'm working on getting a getaway room or two available for breakouts if needed | 16:05 |
| mhayden | the $9/night hotel discount requires a bunch of paperwork, which i can do if the group thinks it's worth it | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | mhayden meh | 16:06 |
| * mhayden shuffles papers | 16:06 | |
| jmccrory | mhayden: i'll probably have to book through corporate travel anyway | 16:06 |
| mhayden | average high temp in San Antonio is 101.5F / 38.6C so prepare yourself :) | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | ouch | 16:07 |
| mhayden | but the building is ice cold year round, so again, prepare yourself | 16:07 |
| mhayden | :) | 16:07 |
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| asettle | So... like... jeans with a swimsuit on underneath? | 16:07 |
| spotz | I just added a section for the outing, day and food choices. | 16:07 |
| asettle | Ohhhh thank spotz ! | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | Does anyone know of a venue that has a pool and poolside bar. I'd like to propose that be the location for after work session R&R. | 16:07 |
| asettle | thanks* | 16:07 |
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| mhayden | ah yes, if you have input on foods, please help spotz! | 16:07 |
| automagically | +++ odyssey4me | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | should we discuss and takes decisions on long term matters? | 16:08 |
| mhayden | i have a kiddie pool and a hose | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | like discuss what we mean about stable branches | 16:08 |
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| evrardjp | or bring serious upgrades from version x to z | 16:08 |
| mhayden | and we put galstrom_zzz to sleep | 16:08 |
| asettle | mhayden: dude I love those | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | I'm probably going on a limb here :D | 16:09 |
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| mhayden | evrardjp: you wanna toss that into the etherpad | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | evrardjp while the mid-cycle should be work session orientated rather than ideas orientated, I wouldn't mind trying to set aside some time for us to pitch longer term strategies | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | before tossing, just asking about the general ideas | 16:09 |
| mhayden | i always like talking long term strategy | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | I agree with odyssey4me | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | this is kept for later then | 16:10 |
| mhayden | might be worthwhile to take a quick dive into what other similar projects are doing to see if we can learn from them | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | stuff that can perhaps be discussed more between N3 and the Summit, and hopefully finalised at the summit | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | I'll add containers CoW on it | 16:10 |
| mhayden | evrardjp: i'm interested in that topic | 16:10 |
| spotz | odyssey4me: could come out to Gruene and have dinner (wine/beer maybe bar) next to the river but it'll be a 30 minute drive out. Or the Riverwalk? | 16:10 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, please propose a session evrardjp - perhaps one on upgrades too | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | yup that's linked | 16:11 |
| mhayden | we should have plenty of locals with cars, so traveling to an evening event shouldn't be a big deal | 16:11 |
| mhayden | and we have uber/lyft here | 16:11 |
| mhayden | anything else on the mid-cycle for now? | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | If folks need a ride I can drive. | 16:12 |
| mhayden | same here | 16:12 |
| mhayden | we can sort the transportation stuff out when everyone's here | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:13 |
| mhayden | anyone object to moving to the next topic? | 16:13 |
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| automagically | ++ next topic | 16:13 |
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| mhayden | #topic Backport of OVS work to stable/mitaka | 16:13 |
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| cloudnull | AND THEN! | 16:13 |
| * mhayden passes the mic to automagically | 16:13 | |
| automagically | Huh…did I have something on the agenda | 16:13 |
| mhayden | automagically: WE'RE WAITING! | 16:14 |
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| automagically | Ah, that backport agenda item was discussed last week | 16:14 |
| automagically | No need to discuss today | 16:14 |
| mhayden | oh nice | 16:14 |
| automagically | I have the info/feedback I need | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | boom! handled. | 16:14 |
| mhayden | good stuff | 16:14 |
| mhayden | man, we're on our game today | 16:14 |
| mhayden | either that or i'm working off bad data :) | 16:14 |
| mhayden | #topic Removal of venv_enabled switches | 16:15 |
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| mhayden | logan-: anything on this one? | 16:15 |
| mhayden | i saw that the changes for neutron were already proposed | 16:15 |
| logan- | it has a major impact on how I deploy for 2 reasons: | 16:15 |
| mhayden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/only-install-venvs | 16:15 |
| logan- | 1) http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ansible/%23openstack-ansible.2016-02-05.log.html#t2016-02-05T03:57:38 it increases my compute node image size by 25% | 16:16 |
| logan- | 2) the upgrade implications of venvs (overwriting all files in the venv, rather than pulling only the necessary pip upgrades) is a big problem for me. i need disk to be as static as possible | 16:16 |
| logan- | so unnecessary overwrites of files takes them out of the compressed read only image and into uncompressed ram | 16:16 |
| logan- | so I relied heavily on the configurability of OSA and opted to deploy without venvs on my compute nodes | 16:17 |
| logan- | is there a major need requiring that this functionality be removed? | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | logan- mainly because it's code overhead, and an untested path | 16:18 |
| automagically | The belief was that no one was using it, and it unnecessarily complicated the roles | 16:18 |
| mhayden | #link spec -> https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/specs/newton/only-install-venvs.html | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | it may be plausible to make an exception for some roles - but it also may be useful to get a little more creative there to find a better solution | 16:18 |
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| mhayden | it seems like containers with overlayfs would give some space back | 16:19 |
| logan- | I just found the spec about 30 minutes ago when the patches start coming, sorry! I would have commented earlier | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | I'd like to see if it's possible for us to find a way to reduce the overhead, and also to remove unnecessary file overwrites. | 16:19 |
| jmccrory | also the pain from going kilo->liberty, had to destroy containers to clean up and resolve errors after moving between system and venvs installs | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | we could cleanup the code to be a one liner thing, but we still have to test it at some point | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | logan- something to note is that venvs were implemented in the first place due to interference from host apt packages, specifically on compute nodes | 16:20 |
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| logan- | i'm curious if 2 could be resolved by pip installing modules inside the venv instead of overwriting the whole thing | 16:20 |
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| odyssey4me | logan- so the only reason to ever overwrite it is if the venv changes, which happens per tag | 16:21 |
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| automagically | And we have the pip install inside the venv option, its just not easily used instead of the venv unzip right now | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | logan- I'd like to perhaps discuss your use case in a bit more detail in the channel after the meeting. I think we can find a solution here. | 16:21 |
| automagically | Its a fallback, rather than a deployer selectable choice | 16:21 |
| jmccrory | would this upgrade an existing venv as long as you're not using the prebuilt tar? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova/blob/master/tasks/nova_install.yml#L205-L223 | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | I think we need to have a proper analysis of logan- 's case, but I'm not sure we can do that in the timeframe of this meeting | 16:22 |
| jmccrory | and keep nova_venv_bin consistent | 16:22 |
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| andymccr | i agree with evrardjp | 16:23 |
| logan- | yes jmccrory if that was run against existing venvs that might work | 16:23 |
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| evrardjp | let's prepare the work with logan- 's on the openstack-ansible chan, and then come up with a plan for approval for next meeting? | 16:23 |
| logan- | I see the task right above that appears to do this | 16:23 |
| logan- | Ok thanks. I wanted to raise the concern but I just found this 30 minutes ago so I'm still sorting thru possible workarounds and gauging the impact. Thanks for the insight | 16:24 |
| palendae | Thanks for catching it logan- | 16:24 |
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| palendae | Better to deal with it now than after | 16:24 |
| automagically | awesome feedback logan- Looking forward to finding a way to solve for your use case | 16:24 |
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| evrardjp | palendae: +1 | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | ++ | 16:24 |
| evrardjp | and +1 on automagically too | 16:24 |
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| mhayden | alrighty, are we good on this topic for the moment? | 16:25 |
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| eil397 | automagically: ++ | 16:25 |
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| logan- | yep mhayden. thanks! | 16:25 |
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| mhayden | sweet! | 16:25 |
| mhayden | thanks for bringing that up, logan- | 16:25 |
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| mhayden | #topic Ubuntu 16.04 LTS support | 16:25 |
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| mhayden | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-newton-ubuntu16-04 | 16:26 |
| mhayden | anything critical to bring up here? anyone need help? | 16:26 |
| eil397 | i've found that no one is working on horizon and ubuntu1604. | 16:26 |
| eil397 | i would like to try | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | .doit() | 16:27 |
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| automagically | I’d appreciate reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338541/ from the neutron experts | 16:27 |
| mhayden | eil397: get on that thing! :) | 16:27 |
| palendae | eil397, Go for it | 16:27 |
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| odyssey4me | note that some changes were done to support multi-os without really going through with everything... so please lookout for more cleanup like was needed in https://review.openstack.org/330231 | 16:27 |
| eil397 | ok.will start | 16:27 |
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| evrardjp | DVR cool | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | eil397 assign yourself in the etherpad so that everyone else knows that it's taken | 16:27 |
| michaelgugino | I live dvr, but I had a vision of deploying known network configs | 16:28 |
| eil397 | odyssey4me: ok. will mark it in doc | 16:28 |
| michaelgugino | so, possibly ml2.lxb.dvr ml2.ovs.dvr | 16:28 |
| automagically | michaelgugino: Would appreciate your comments on that then | 16:28 |
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| mhayden | #topic Open floor | 16:29 |
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| odyssey4me | interesting idea | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | ovs only I guess :D | 16:29 |
| mhayden | (since we were already opening it up anyway) | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp yep, unfortunately | 16:29 |
| michaelgugino | ie, let's track the deployment scenarios that are documented: http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/deploy.html | 16:29 |
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| automagically | michaelgugino: Oh, agreed there, but I think that is more of a config doc challenge for the neutron role docs | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | automagically michaelgugino yeah, it'd be great to simply flip a switch to enable each scenario - but a good starting point would be to figure out the known working config for the scenario | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | from there the next step is to optimise it | 16:31 |
| michaelgugino | well, similar with what we did with ovs vs lxb, specifying the 'type' I think would be handy, but perhaps those things don't need to be together | 16:31 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: The problem is that selective hash override stinks for deployers | 16:31 |
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| evrardjp | what do you mean? | 16:32 |
| automagically | evrardjp: Overriding a var like neutron_plugins[‘ml2.lxb’].driver_firewall | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | my question is, do you think it's inconvenient, or it's good? | 16:33 |
| automagically | And also doesn’t work with the deprecation filter | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | I didn't understand the point we're trying to solve here | 16:33 |
| automagically | I think its inconvenient | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | automagically yeah, the intend with the hashes is not to require that | 16:33 |
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| evrardjp | ansible 2 | combine? | 16:34 |
| michaelgugino | I think it's fine, for the vast majority of deployments, those settings are going to be adequate | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | the idea is that something must be activated somewhere else, as michaelgugino has suggested, then the hash is used to flip all the switches needed elsewhere | 16:34 |
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| odyssey4me | if anything needs a tweak var, then that should be a non-hash var that perhaps can be used by the hash | 16:34 |
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| automagically | Good feedback, I think I get the gist of it | 16:35 |
| michaelgugino | I don't have a problem making people specify the whole hash either, it's not a huge deal. But most variables can be mined from other values inside the defaults file | 16:35 |
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| automagically | I’ll finish testing what I’ve got for DVR now and perhaps propose an adjustment | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | we can do a similar thing like we did in nova https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova/blob/master/tasks/nova_post_install.yml#L16-L26 which takes a hash and converts the keys into set facts? | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | regarding the "do all the things hash table topic" | 16:37 |
| michaelgugino | I definitely don't think we should do that if at all possibke | 16:37 |
| logan- | as evrardjp I think the hash override pain for deployers will be mitigated by the combine filter | 16:37 |
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| logan- | as evrardjp said* | 16:37 |
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| michaelgugino | I vastly prefer a method similar to this one: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_neutron/blob/master/defaults/main.yml#L93-L100 | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | yes, we can think of recursive combine and union filters | 16:38 |
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| evrardjp | michaelgugino: these aren't mutually exclusive :D | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | or I missed the conversation | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | what is the decision to be taken? | 16:38 |
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| odyssey4me | considering our current stance is to maintain 1.9 and 2.1 compatibility this cycle, those aren't really options just yet... | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | evrardjp: In testing the combine and union filters I've found that they're kinda incomplete. w/ this test https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/12555 combine resulted in missing data. | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | but I'd like us to discuss how much value that brings us at the mid cycle | 16:39 |
| michaelgugino | I would rather see the variables written out instead of generating facts dynamically | 16:39 |
| automagically | michaelgugino: +++ | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | sorry its a long comment / discussion but at the bottom i mentioned the results of using combine | 16:39 |
| evrardjp | cloudnull: good that you tested that | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | note "Upon inspection of the rendered files it seems the recursive combine filter results in missing data." | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | we seriously need to do a better liaison with ansible guys :D | 16:40 |
| michaelgugino | those variables could be written like this: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_neutron/blob/30439c262c1d991a4243a66ea505dd032d4f59a2/templates/plugins/ml2/openvswitch_agent.ini.j2#L13 | 16:41 |
| logan- | ++ good to know cloudnull | 16:41 |
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| evrardjp | I mean how long for config template... We are close to one year now | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | but that's another topic | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I'm quite fond of the relatively simple mechanism we're using in the os_neutron role and think we can do a lot more of that to cleverly apply defaults and allow tuning where appropriate... with the fallback of the config override always being an option for deployers | 16:41 |
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| cloudnull | evrardjp: i think im going to abandon that commit. they seem impossible to work with being that I'm not apart of their club. | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | that's the saddest story I heard today cloudnull | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull The fact of the matter is that we have a plugin which we're happy to carry and is easily shared with other projects that want to use it. | 16:42 |
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| spotz | :( | 16:42 |
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| cloudnull | its just easier to carry a core module until we get someone part of their good'ol boy network. | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: ++ | 16:43 |
| mhayden | we could talk to the community folks at ansible for some help | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | yeah, we can ship that module to another repo, put it in galaxy, and fetch it with galaxy | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | when it's gonna be the first one ever used, maybe they will think about it | 16:43 |
| mhayden | cloudnull: would you wanna pair up on reaching out to ansible? | 16:43 |
| palendae | mhayden, It seems near impossible to provide patches to Ansible without being at Ansible, Inc :( | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | mhayden: sure. | 16:43 |
| mhayden | palendae: i don't give up easily | 16:43 |
| palendae | Fair enough | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | you wlil in a year or so | 16:44 |
| palendae | And you know Robin ;) | 16:44 |
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| spotz | He's Major!!!:) | 16:44 |
| mhayden | #action cloudnull and major to reach out to ansible about merging some things | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | mhayden: I agree with you, we should try | 16:44 |
| mhayden | spotz: pfft | 16:44 |
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| evrardjp | put me in | 16:44 |
| mhayden | anything left for the mtg today? we have 15 min left | 16:44 |
| mhayden | evrardjp: ok | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | robin and greg are on the community side. sadly ansible core is not exactly tied to the community side. | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I think their concerns are valid but I'd like to see them make a bit more effort to find common ground. So far that has not been done. | 16:44 |
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| palendae | cloudnull, Yeah. There seem to be some internal communicaton issues there | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull do you have the PR link handy, for the context of others | 16:45 |
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| cloudnull | if we could get an extension for action plugins into ansible extras it'd be a lot easier. | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/12555 | 16:45 |
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| mhayden | cloudnull / evrardjp: just started a thread via email | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | oh, silly me - it was linked before... | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | good | 16:45 |
| mhayden | any other topics to discuss? :) | 16:45 |
| jmccrory | crazy seeing how receptive lxc was to PRs compared to ansible | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | nothing to see here... move along citizen :p | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-core/pull/2171 | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-core/pull/1517 | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | jmccrory: that was in the community modules. | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | acceptance into extras is a lot easier. | 16:47 |
| mhayden | okay, i'll close this up now unless there are any objections | 16:47 |
| mhayden | going once | 16:47 |
| jmccrory | cloudnull: oh i mean the few patches odyssey4me submitted to lxc/lxc | 16:47 |
| mhayden | twice | 16:48 |
| palendae | closed! | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | ah. yea. i dont believe they have a club quite yet. :) | 16:48 |
| mhayden | thanks everyone! | 16:48 |
| mhayden | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 16:48:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | thanks all | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-07-07-16.00.html | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-07-07-16.00.txt | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-07-07-16.00.log.html | 16:48 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 7 17:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
| scsnow | hi | 17:00 |
| fsunaval | hi | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: hi | 17:00 |
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| cathy_ | fsunaval: hi | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
| igordcard | hi | 17:00 |
| doonhammer | hi | 17:00 |
| LouisF | hi | 17:00 |
| yamahata | hi | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | Let's start | 17:01 |
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| cathy_ | I will start with the second topic in the agenda since the first topic needs Mohan's feedback and he has not joined yet | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | #topic OVN driver for networking-sfc spec and implementation | 17:02 |
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| cathy_ | LouisF: doonhammer how is this going? | 17:02 |
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| doonhammer | Sorry been down with the flu and way behind on this and my day job :-( | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | It seems going well and need some final touch to be merged, right | 17:03 |
| LouisF | cathy_: spec patch under review | 17:03 |
| LouisF | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333172/ | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | doonhammer: Oh, hope you feel well now. | 17:04 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: thanks recovered | 17:04 |
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| LouisF | there have been some comments on it but no major issues | 17:05 |
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| cathy_ | LouisF: OK, thanks. | 17:05 |
| LouisF | please review | 17:05 |
| doonhammer | I need to talk some more of regXboi and resolve the issues on the ovs/ovn side | 17:05 |
| LouisF | I believe Juno have been doing work on this also | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | doonhammer: Ok, thanks for the update. I see people are working actively on this on the OVN side | 17:06 |
| doonhammer | iLouisF: yes he is on PTO this week | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | #topic Add "NSH" support----'correlation-nsh' in the chain-parameters | 17:07 |
| LouisF | i will ping him to review the latest spec patch (3) | 17:07 |
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| doonhammer | It is working on the ovs/ovn side just need to get the arch cleaned up | 17:07 |
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| cathy_ | igordcard: I know you are working on this. Maybe you would like to give the team a quick update on the progress? | 17:07 |
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| igordcard | cathy_: yeah - so I've been working on refactoring the non-ovs-specific code towards the plugin itself | 17:08 |
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| igordcard | i.e. mainly move the SFP generation/management code and models up to the plugin | 17:08 |
| LouisF | igordcard: great | 17:08 |
| igordcard | that is kind of a pre-requisite to the NSH enablement due to the close relationship with SFPs, so we should get that right first before actually enabling the NSH datapath | 17:09 |
| scsnow | I have a question rg NSH. There is an option to enable nsh on agent side: | 17:09 |
| scsnow | agent_opts = [ | 17:09 |
| scsnow | cfg.StrOpt('sfc_encap_mode', default='mpls', | 17:09 |
| scsnow | help=_("The encapsulation mode of sfc.")), | 17:09 |
| scsnow | ] | 17:09 |
| scsnow | What is the relationship between this option and correlation and chain params? | 17:09 |
| scsnow | in chain params* | 17:10 |
| igordcard | it's taking long indeed since a lot of changes must be made (some models from the ovs driver had to be split in half, with one half moved to the plugin) - as soon as this work is ready for a first review I'll submit it to gerrit, and then actually start on the sfc_encap_mode work | 17:10 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: this option maps to the correlation method of the chain param | 17:10 |
| cathy_ | Currently we only support MPLS, we are adding another option "nsh" | 17:10 |
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| scsnow | So what if sfc_encap_mode=nsh and correlation=mpls? | 17:11 |
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| cathy_ | sfc_encap_mode should match the correlation | 17:11 |
| igordcard | scsnow: cathy_ perhaps the option can be deprecated in the near future in favor of the driver appropriately configuring the agent? | 17:11 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: agree | 17:12 |
| scsnow | igordcard, exactly. I think that this option should be obsolete. | 17:12 |
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| cathy_ | scsnow: LouisF igordcard agree. | 17:14 |
| LouisF | scsnow: definitely obsolete | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | We should have only one place to specify this. | 17:14 |
| scsnow | but I'm wondering whether it's feasible to support both mpls and nsh chains simultaneously in agent code | 17:14 |
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| scsnow | I mean some chains may use nsh encap, while others - mpls | 17:15 |
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| igordcard | in terms of the sfp generation work more specifically, port-chains are being created with the correct DB data at the moment, I'm just correcting the communication of that data to the agent now, so create-port-chain is almost working again after the refactoring (then I still need to check the other CRUD methods and the unit tests) | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: the encap method is per chain | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: so the user can specify mpls for one chain and NSH for another chain | 17:15 |
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| igordcard | scsnow: should be doable as soon as OVS has NSH support | 17:15 |
| LouisF | scsnow: would there be a use case for that? | 17:15 |
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| cathy_ | I will create a bug to remove the agent_opts for encap which comes from the config. | 17:16 |
| scsnow | LouisF, I have no idea who is going to use such case | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | #action cathy create a bug to remove the agent_opts for encap which comes from the config | 17:16 |
| scsnow | LouisF, but this is about how things should work if encap type is per chain | 17:17 |
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| cathy_ | scsnow: yes, it is how it works today. encap type per chain | 17:17 |
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| LouisF | yes but why would both types be needed simultaneously? | 17:19 |
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| igordcard | LouisF: as in 1 chain with 2 encaps? | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | igordcard: For backward compatibility we should keep the mpls encap there. Also some user might select to use it. No harm to keep it. | 17:20 |
| LouisF | no different encaps for different chains | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | igordcard: not 1 chain with 2 encaps. one encap per chain | 17:20 |
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| juanmafg | cathy, LouisF: are you considering different transport types between the switches (VxLAN-GPE+NSH) and the switch and the VM (Ethernet+NSH)? (even we are using same SFC encapsulation) | 17:20 |
| igordcard | cathy_: yeah, I will keep mpls encap as is | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | juanmafg: yes | 17:21 |
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| cathy_ | juanmafg: we should allow different external tunnel transport although currently we only support VXLAN | 17:22 |
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| scsnow | LouisF, yes, it's a bit crazy to have both mpls and nsh chains configured | 17:22 |
| igordcard | cathy_: juanmafg that is a interesting discussion to have... we also need to look at how that fits with existing neutron ml2 vxlan segments | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | igordcard: yes, that is what we need think. | 17:22 |
| juanmafg | cathy_: well, this is also an interesting topic when it comes to OVS | 17:22 |
| LouisF | juanmafg: depends on the nsh patches | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | juanmafg: yes | 17:23 |
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| juanmafg | cathy_, LouisF: arer you using Yi Yang patch for your tests? | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | juanmafg: in OVS, a patch of "ethernet+NSH" is being proposed | 17:24 |
| LouisF | scsnow: my feeling is to support both nsh and mpls but simultaneously in different chains | 17:24 |
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| LouisF | but not | 17:24 |
| scsnow | igordcard, did you try VxLAN-GPE+NSH case for multi-node setup? | 17:24 |
| igordcard | scsnow: no, I will start simple with Ethernet+NSH though | 17:25 |
| cathy_ | juanmafg: hopefully that patch can get approved and merged soon, then we can have the NSH encap enabled on our API. As to external transport, we will first use VXLAN. | 17:25 |
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| igordcard | scsnow: but I'll keep that in mind | 17:25 |
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| scsnow | igordcard, ok | 17:25 |
| scsnow | igordcard, I'm asking because I did try that and it does not work for me. | 17:25 |
| igordcard | scsnow: oh so you set up a multi-node env only made of OVS switches (without openstack) and attempted VXLAN-GPE+NSH communication? | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: better try the "ethernet+NSH" | 17:27 |
| juanmafg | cathy_: I'm more involved in ODL and they have similar situation with OVS | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: since that is the what is being targeted into OVS | 17:27 |
| scsnow | cathy_, ethernet+nsh is suitable only for single-node case as far as I understand | 17:27 |
| scsnow | igordcard, correct | 17:27 |
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| cathy_ | scsnow: not really, through external VXLAN tunnel, it can apply to multi-node | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: vxlan+ethernet+NSH | 17:28 |
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| igordcard | scsnow: :/ shoot me an email with the details, I'll be interested in that, but for n-sfc specifically I will start only with ethernet+nsh | 17:28 |
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| scsnow | cathy_, correct. but ovs with yi patched does not support such case | 17:29 |
| scsnow | patches* | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | juanmafg: another interesting point is the mechanism between OVS and the SF which does not support the SFC encap (eg. NSH). Any discussion on this in ODL? | 17:29 |
| scsnow | igordcard, will do | 17:29 |
| juanmafg | cathy_: do you mean SFC proxy? | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: I know Yi or someone else in that team has completed a new patch of vxlan+ethernet+NSH | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: They sent me email saying they will post it on OVS for review. You may want to check that | 17:30 |
| LouisF | juanmafg: yes | 17:30 |
| igordcard | cathy_: vxlan-gpe+ethernet_nsh? | 17:30 |
| scsnow | cathy_, Ok, I'll check ovs mailing list for these patches | 17:30 |
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| juanmafg | LouisF, cathy_: ODL is trying to secure the NSH support first in OVS | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | juanmafg: yes, I am wondering what is the mechanism if SF proxy does not want to do reclassification. | 17:31 |
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| cathy_ | igordcard: no, Last time I talked with them, it is vxlan+ethernet+NSH | 17:32 |
| juanmafg | LouisF, cathy_: I know fd.io guys were looking into the NSH proxy support | 17:32 |
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| s3wong | sorry, forgot about the meeting | 17:32 |
| cathy_ | igordcard: But I have not got chance to check the code patch yet. vxlan-gpe will not be accepted by OVS at this stage due to multiple reasons | 17:32 |
| LouisF | juanmafg: fd.io is adding nsh support | 17:32 |
| juanmafg | LouisF: yes | 17:32 |
| cathy_ | juanmafg: does fd.io have a meeting or something that we can join the discussion? | 17:33 |
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| LouisF | cathy_: https://wiki.fd.io/view/VPP/Meeting | 17:33 |
| juanmafg | cathy_: yes they have https://wiki.fd.io/view/NSH_SFC/Meeting | 17:34 |
| juanmafg | LouisF: that one is for NSH | 17:34 |
| LouisF | https://wiki.fd.io/view/NSH_SFC/Meeting | 17:34 |
| LouisF | juanmafg: yes | 17:34 |
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| cathy_ | I am interested the way they will use for SF proxy that does not do re-classification since reclassification is "expensive". A correlation mechanism between the packet and the chain ID is needed | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: juanmafg thanks | 17:35 |
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| LouisF | cathy_: i think the fd.io proxy does reclassification on the N-tuple | 17:35 |
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| juanmafg | cathy_: I know fd.io guys were looking into a stateful NSH proxy, but do not know the details about the implementation | 17:36 |
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| igordcard | cathy_: perhaps quickly hash a few fields and keep state | 17:36 |
| cathy_ | igordcard: when we add NSH, we need to implement SF Proxy on OVS too. Better to come up with a mechanism that does not require reclassification | 17:36 |
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| cathy_ | igordcard: We may also need to consider if the SF changes some of those fields | 17:37 |
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| igordcard | cathy_: maybe, for a first version it can look similar to how the mpls proxy is done today | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | igordcard: Ok, that is the minimum:-) | 17:37 |
| LouisF | igordcard: the mpls proxy reclassifies on the n-tuple | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | juanmafg: stateful, not sure what that comes down. Need to dig into detail on that | 17:38 |
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| cathy_ | LouisF: yes | 17:38 |
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| cathy_ | LouisF: so fd.io also does reclassification | 17:39 |
| igordcard | cathy_: if the SF changes fields, and depending on the changes, the sfc proxy will start losing its value | 17:39 |
| juanmafg | cathy_:I mean not doing reclassification, but I'm not completely sure | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | Let's think about this more and come up with good idea for discussion. | 17:39 |
| LouisF | cathy_: their work is very recent - still discussing support for md-type-2 | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | juanmafg: that is what I guess. we need to know the detail | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: ok, thanks. We are more advanced I believe:-) | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | Ok, I guess enough on this topic. Let's move on | 17:41 |
| LouisF | cathy_: afaik fd.io does not yet support nsh but work is under way | 17:41 |
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| cathy_ | LouisF: OK, thanks. | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | #topic murano-plugin-networking-sfc repository | 17:42 |
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| cathy_ | I see a new backend plugin in networking-sfc repo | 17:42 |
| LouisF | cathy_: i see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332025/ is abandoned | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | Since ODL, ONOS backend plugins are all in their own repo. I am wondering if we should ask that code to be in its own repo to be consistent | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: Oh, then never mind | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | It was abandoned on July 4. | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | #topic ODL integration with networking-sfc | 17:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ODL integration with networking-sfc (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:44 | |
| cathy_ | yamahata: do you know how the work is going? | 17:44 |
| yamahata | He's starting to write driver | 17:45 |
| yamahata | The link is at | 17:45 |
| yamahata | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337948/ | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | yamahata: Thanks | 17:45 |
| yamahata | It would need several respin | 17:45 |
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| cathy_ | yamahata: sure:-) | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | Folks, could you help review that patch ? | 17:46 |
| cathy_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337948/ | 17:46 |
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| igordcard | yep | 17:46 |
| cathy_ | #topic Using upstream/base Neutron Open vSwitch Agent | 17:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Using upstream/base Neutron Open vSwitch Agent (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:47 | |
| cathy_ | Here is the link to this | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/334398 | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | The problem is that if we rename, then the OpenStack package building process will not include networking-sfc and we have to add networking-sfc separately | 17:48 |
| fsunaval | cathy: I've had a quick look. Basically, it is for RPM packaging. We call our agent neutron-openvswitch-agent and so does the original neutron agent. | 17:48 |
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| fsunaval | I think we should change the name of our agent to neutron-sfc-openvswitch-agent.... | 17:49 |
| fsunaval | or similar .. | 17:49 |
| igordcard | cathy_: when is the refactoring to an OVS agent extension planned? | 17:49 |
| cathy_ | If we do not rename, then there is not such issue but for Neutron, the agent will use networking-sfc's version, which will not cause any issue since networking-sfc's agent does not change anything with regard to what are needed for Neutron | 17:49 |
| georgewang | since networking-sfc needs to overwrite some behavior of standard ovs agent, we use our binary to replace neutron's | 17:50 |
| cathy_ | fsunaval: but if we change, then if the user wants to use networking-sfc, they have to specifically build networking-sfc package, right? | 17:51 |
| fsunaval | cathy: yes, and that is fine. | 17:52 |
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| cathy_ | Of course when the new OVS agent design and implementation is completed which allows different features to install flow tables, then we are good forevere | 17:52 |
| csun | Or the user could create a symlink for networking-sfc openvswitch in usr/local/bin/ | 17:52 |
| fsunaval | csun: yes, that too. | 17:52 |
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| igordcard | cathy_: cool | 17:53 |
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| cathy_ | csun: fsunaval does that still require the user to manually do that? Can we make it automatically incorporated into the package build for the user | 17:53 |
| georgewang | but the problem is, if we use specific package name, when user start ovs agent in general, it will start neutron's | 17:53 |
| georgewang | and two binary cannot start together | 17:54 |
| cathy_ | georgewang: that means networking-sfc agent functionality will not be included and SFC does not work, right? | 17:54 |
| georgewang | yes | 17:54 |
| csun | Yes, it needs some manually setup for it. | 17:55 |
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| cathy_ | csun: Is there a way to incorporate it into the package building process? | 17:56 |
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| csun | Yes, I think we could create a symlink in setup. | 17:56 |
| fsunaval | cathy: csun and myself will work it out... | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | csun: fsunaval Thanks! | 17:57 |
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| cathy_ | I guess we are running out of time and we don't have enough time for next topic. It is a good discussion. Thanks everyone! | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | bye for now | 17:58 |
| scsnow | bye | 17:58 |
| igordcard | thank you, bye | 17:58 |
| LouisF | bye | 17:58 |
| fsunaval | bye | 17:58 |
| juanmafg | bye | 17:58 |
| csun | bye | 17:58 |
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| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 17:59:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-07-07-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-07-07-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-07-07-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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