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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 08:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi everyone :-) | 08:00 |
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| alexey_weyl | Helllo | 08:01 |
| alexey_weyl | whoooooooooooooooooo | 08:01 |
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| eyalb | Hi | 08:02 |
| ayah | hi | 08:02 |
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| elisha_r | hi | 08:04 |
| lhartal | hi all :) | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | Congratulations, Vitrage is now an official OpenStack project!!! | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/index.html | 08:05 |
| alexey_weyl | whoooooooooooooooo | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/vitrage.html | 08:05 |
| elisha_r | Yessssssssss!!!! | 08:05 |
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| alexey_weyl | fun fun fun | 08:05 |
| doffek | Party !!!!!!! | 08:05 |
| ayah | great news! | 08:05 |
| eyalb | +2 | 08:05 |
| alexey_weyl | +4 | 08:05 |
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| lhartal | such a good news!!!!! | 08:05 |
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| lhartal | good for us :) | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | We should be really proud of ourselves! thanks everyone who contriburted to this project | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | Accepting Vitrage into the big tent was discussed in yesterday's TC meeting. | 08:06 |
| doffek | And thank you Ifat !!!! | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | :-) | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | The comments we had to our proposal: | 08:06 |
| alexey_weyl | We have made it in less then 7 months :) | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | * They wanted to call it "RCA service" instead of "RCA Engine". I fixed it. | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | * They were bothered about multi tenancy issues. Will "regular" users see the entire topology in a public cloud. I said it is in our Newton road map. | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | * Someone asked about the relation between Vitrage and Telemetry project. I explained that we already have aodh datasource, are working on the aodh notifier together with Aodh team | 08:07 |
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| ifat_afek | Meeting minutes: | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-05-31-20.02.html | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | Meeting log: | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-05-31-20.02.log.html | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | Also note that our stackalytics has moved to "Official Vitrage": | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | #link http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=openstack&metric=marks&module=vitrage-group | 08:08 |
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| ifat_afek | So now let's start :-) | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | Our agenda today: | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | * Status and Updates | 08:09 |
| doffek | party ? | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | * Open Discussion | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | doffek: sure! | 08:09 |
| elisha_r | is there an IRC icon for beer? | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Party :-) | 08:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Party :-) (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:09 | |
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| elisha_r | is there an IRC icon for beer? | 08:10 |
| alexey_weyl | We have done it!!!!!!!!!!!! :) | 08:10 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:11 | |
| ifat_afek | In the last two meetings we worked on Newton planning. I don't feel there is a need to continue these discussions, but if anyone wishes to discuss it, please do | 08:11 |
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| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-newton-planning | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | I'm working on supporting vitrage in liberty | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | vitrage processes and vitrage dashboard are working (with two minor fixes). Nova and cinder datasources are working, including notifications. I didn't check neutron and nagios yet. Aodh is not working at the moment. | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | Who else wants to update? | 08:12 |
| elisha_r | I will | 08:12 |
| elisha_r | yesterday I pushed the support for overlapping templates into gerrit | 08:12 |
| elisha_r | I'll add documentation today, and close the blueprint | 08:13 |
| elisha_r | I've added unit tests to extensively tests this feature, but please everyone be on the lookout for strange RCA bugs that might appear, and raise a flag... | 08:13 |
| elisha_r | moving on | 08:14 |
| ifat_afek | elisha_r: cool | 08:14 |
| elisha_r | we are preparing for a joint vitrage-doctor booth in the upcoming OPNFV summit later this month (June) | 08:14 |
| elisha_r | if all goes as planned, we should be able to show vitrage integrating, to some basic degree, with zabbix | 08:15 |
| elisha_r | that's it from me | 08:15 |
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| alexey_weyl | I will update about zabbix | 08:15 |
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| alexey_weyl | I have succeeded to install zubbix using puppet, so we will have a script that will be able to install zabbix soon. | 08:16 |
| alexey_weyl | or a documentation about how to do it in a few steps. | 08:16 |
| alexey_weyl | In addition I have started to work on the Zabbix datasource | 08:17 |
| alexey_weyl | I have found a Python API for zabbix | 08:17 |
| alexey_weyl | We are planning to have zabbix datasource till the end of ext week hopefully, because we need for the Doctor summit | 08:18 |
| alexey_weyl | that's it :) | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: that's great | 08:18 |
| eyalb | I will update | 08:18 |
| eyalb | I finished writing all spec file for rpm packaging | 08:19 |
| eyalb | need to check them and then I will submit them to RDO | 08:19 |
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| eyalb | also I wrote all puppet scripts and I am pushing them to openstack puppet-vitrage | 08:20 |
| eyalb | thats all | 08:20 |
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| lhartal | I want to update to | 08:20 |
| lhartal | In the last week I working on the template validation API | 08:21 |
| doffek | Following @eyalb work, I'm working on Vitrage installation as part of the tripleO framework. | 08:21 |
| lhartal | I will push today the first stage of it which includes support for CLI/API for validate one template by given its path. | 08:21 |
| doffek | Oops, sorry @lhartal, I waited for Eyal to finish... | 08:22 |
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| lhartal | currently we support only syntax validation through API/CLI | 08:22 |
| lhartal | tasks for next week: | 08:22 |
| lhartal | 1. templates validation (more then one template to validate through API/CLI) | 08:23 |
| lhartal | 2. adding support for contennt validation | 08:23 |
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| lhartal | 3. Adding status code for validation | 08:23 |
| lhartal | 4. I whish to start working on the template list API | 08:24 |
| lhartal | thats all | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | lhartal: cool, thanks | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | and thanks doffek too :-) | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | anyone else has updates? | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | moving on | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:26 | |
| ifat_afek | anything you would like to discuss? | 08:26 |
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| ifat_afek | so I guess we are done. goodbye everyone :-) | 08:28 |
| lhartal | bye bye | 08:28 |
| alexey_weyl | bye bye | 08:28 |
| elisha_r | bye | 08:28 |
| ayah | bye | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 08:28:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-06-01-08.00.html | 08:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-06-01-08.00.txt | 08:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-06-01-08.00.log.html | 08:28 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 12:59:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | hello, who is here today? | 12:59 |
| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 13:00 |
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| jichen | o/ | 13:00 |
| oomichi_ | hi | 13:00 |
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| sdague | o/ | 13:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 13:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | hello everyone, i think we can start the meeting | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic actions from previous meeting | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:01 | |
| alex_xu | ACTION: johnthetubaguy feedback the decision on separated tool for policy discovery back to the spec | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | this is done, and the spec already updated | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/289405 | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | i think claudio_ is just waiting for more feedback | 13:02 |
| sdague | yeh, I need to provide feedback there shortly | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | i just leave comment about the cmd needn't specify the policy config file. | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | but i guess people didn't look at spec yet, so let us discuss in the spec. | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | ACTION: sdague to follow up with dhellman to find the right additional reviewers for oslo.policy changes | 13:04 |
| sdague | alex_xu: ++ | 13:04 |
| sdague | alex_xu: dims said he would also look at it | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | sdague: spec merged, and patch ready for review in oslo.policy side, right? | 13:04 |
| sdague | did the spec merge? I hadn't looked recently | 13:05 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: yea, merged, and i reviewed the patch today | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.policy+branch:master+topic:bp/policy-sample-generation | 13:05 |
| sdague | great | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | ACTION: johnthetubaguy to update policy docs to remove user_id references to server actions | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: i didn't check that | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | i guess johnthetubaguy in the lunch | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | let me check with him later | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | ACTION: johnthetubaguy to reply on bug and ML about the ops issues with user_id | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | no he was just a bit distracted | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | sdague: i saw some reply from you, we are good at here? | 13:07 |
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| sdague | we've got a detailed response from Tim Bell | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I haven't made much progress on the docs at all, I am afraid | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: nvm, do you need help? i saw the doc link in the ML, i can do that if you are busy | 13:08 |
| sdague | which is probably enough to write a spec and just say we are only going to do the minimum to make CERN happy (for now) | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: thank you, honestly, thats probably best, took on more than I can do around spec freeze (as usual :() | 13:09 |
| sdague | everyone else was given an opportunity to speak up, and didn't in any useful detail | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, that seems like the best approach for now | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, check the target on Tim mentioned action? | 13:09 |
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| sdague | #action sdague to write up a spec about limitted (and deprecated) user_id support in policy in nova | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: no problem, really a lot of people need help on freeze :) | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks, if you need some coding help, i signed up | 13:10 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yeh, that would be great | 13:10 |
| sdague | I think we'll just want to be super clear in the spec about what we are going to add | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | #action alex_xu to update policy docs to remove user_id references to server actions | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok | 13:11 |
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| alex_xu | ok, that is all actions, so we can move on, if no more questions | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | #topic API priorities | 13:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API priorities (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:13 | |
| alex_xu | for api-ref, i think we also merged a lot of fix last week | 13:13 |
| sdague | yeh, we have a number up for review still | 13:13 |
| sdague | http://burndown.dague.org/ | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | yeh, but i guess we can merge them in next week | 13:14 |
| sdague | I also have a review up for a microversion selector (here is the output) https://dague.net/testing/api-ref/ | 13:14 |
| sdague | mugsie and I have been chatting a bit about UX. Neither of us is completely thrilled by it, but the functionality is mostly there | 13:15 |
| cdent | that's a cool idea | 13:15 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: cool | 13:15 |
| Kevin_Zheng | ah this is cool | 13:15 |
| sdague | so... if anyone else has ideas on presentation ... please speak up | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so that changes the samples? | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | (eventually) | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | and hides the unsupported bits | 13:15 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: well, the basic theory at this point is anything in a microversion gets a class tag added to it | 13:16 |
| sdague | and this does hide / show based on that | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | ah, it is cool | 13:16 |
| sdague | right now it is hiding / showing parameters | 13:16 |
| sdague | and ... the crash dump action | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | gotcha, gives us the option to do samples later, if we need | 13:16 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: how can we know the differences between microversions on the site? | 13:17 |
| sdague | though, taking it out of the TOC is not straight forward, so it stays there | 13:17 |
| sdague | oomichi_: the default, "All" | 13:17 |
| mugsie | sdague: I have a half baked idea for it right now, let me sit on it for now, but I should have something later on today | 13:17 |
| sdague | mugsie: cool | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | mugsie: cool | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like an awesome start to me | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | yea, sdague makes api-ref awsome every week :) | 13:19 |
| oomichi_ | alex_xu: yeah, right :) | 13:19 |
| sdague | yeh, I'd like to get something merged and out this week so we can play with things. That will probably include mugsie's structured error codes markup as well | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | cool | 13:20 |
| sdague | probably it on api-ref | 13:20 |
| jichen | cool~ | 13:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I wonder about something like this for the selecting the microversion: https://jqueryui.com/slider/#hotelrooms | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats probably overcomplicating it for the moment | 13:21 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: sure, that would be a thing. selector seemed a little more wonky to me, but we can play with that bit pretty easily given the hide show functions | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | ok, all of that are cool, i guess we can move on | 13:23 |
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| alex_xu | for removng legacy v2 | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/remove-legacy-v2-api-code | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | oomichi_: we are very close to remove the code! | 13:24 |
| oomichi_ | alex_xu: yeah, almost done | 13:24 |
| sdague | I think my only question on removing legacy v2 code is if we want to be agreed on the user_id policy spec first | 13:24 |
| oomichi_ | alex_xu: some feedback is gotten, and will finish them today | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | oomichi_: cool | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok...but already remove a lot of things... | 13:25 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: yeah, the last one is holded with your -2 for waiting that | 13:25 |
| sdague | alex_xu: true | 13:25 |
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| sdague | I guess we've deleted so much testing, it probably has gotten broken already anyway | 13:25 |
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| sdague | ok... I'm fine moving forward, lets get things rebased, then give people time to pile up +2s on it | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | cool | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | for api policy, we already talked about it in the beginning | 13:27 |
| alex_xu | anything else we want to talk about at here, otherwise, we will jump to open | 13:27 |
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| sdague | no, I think jump to open | 13:28 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 13:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:28 | |
| sdague | and I'll reask the question to mugsie about mv selector | 13:28 |
| sdague | because I'd like to keep the controls in the bootstrap pallet, as it makes it easier to theme | 13:29 |
| sdague | and I wonder if a navbar - http://getbootstrap.com/components/#navbar | 13:29 |
| sdague | with the drop down would be better | 13:29 |
| sdague | and we could integrate in the expand all to that ... maybe | 13:29 |
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| sdague | anyway, maybe for later | 13:30 |
| sdague | on the specs front | 13:31 |
| sdague | we should probably get all the pagination specs approved | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | sdague: i remember those are merged | 13:31 |
| sdague | alex_xu: ok, I hadn't caught up on that yet | 13:31 |
| sdague | are there other outstanding specs that people are concerned on? | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 that question | 13:32 |
| sdague | as we are getting towards the end of the non priority freeze | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | deadline is thursday, I believe | 13:32 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: there is one in the agenda, i guess that is yours? | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, whoops | 13:32 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248248/ | 13:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, right, I added that | 13:33 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: sorry, a little late...we have full meeting last few weeks... | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | so it was an idea about making some small progress towards tasks | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | by expanding instance actions a little | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are a few specs up on the topic | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | add finish_time for actions | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so you know its finished | 13:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and add instance actions for the API operations that are missing | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | (thats a spearate spec) | 13:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but its a bit late at this point to hope to get those merged | 13:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | but if folks have time, that would be interesting | 13:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | probably something for next cycle I guess? | 13:35 |
| alex_xu | +1 for add instance actiosn for all the api operations | 13:36 |
| sdague | yeh, that seems pretty reasonable | 13:36 |
| sdague | I have one quibble over ``running`` | 13:37 |
| sdague | as that implies we know it's still running | 13:37 |
| sdague | which... we really don't | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats fair enough | 13:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if we could get eyes on those that would be great | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think its something the OSIC folks could really start to chew on, if we get it approved | 13:38 |
| sdague | yeh, I just went through it, and it seems pretty well scoped as an incremental change | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so I can make an effort to update that to fix any nits, etc | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is also this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256743/ | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats the expand coverage bit | 13:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there is this one as well, that take on exposing the data in the API: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300704 | 13:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | what do you all think we should focus on with that, I am tempted to say that first one? | 13:40 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: wait... did they do 2 specs? | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are kinda three specs going on here, it probably got split up a bit too much | 13:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but there is, record in the DB a finish time for an action | 13:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | expose if an action is finished or not | 13:42 |
| sdague | ok, can we get this all into one? | 13:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | and expand instance actions to other ones | 13:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I can take that action for now ish | 13:42 |
| sdague | because I can't really conceptualize these as different parts | 13:42 |
| sdague | as they seem all very related | 13:43 |
| alex_xu | or separated this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256743/2/specs/newton/approved/expand-instance-actions-coverage.rst this is pretty easy. | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think the expand the actions is a separate one | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the other two should all be together | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | its kinda two steps of the same task | 13:43 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so I will try tidy this up, and ping folks that are still around when thats done | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would be nice to make a bit of head way on that this cycle | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | although time is crazy tight now | 13:44 |
| oomichi_ | yeah, small steps are nice to move forward to task | 13:45 |
| alex_xu | yeah | 13:46 |
| alex_xu | so anything more for open? | 13:47 |
| cdent | to update on the modern microversion stuff, the change in nova merged as 2.27 and here's the review for updating novaclieng: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323362/ (the functional failure seems unrelated?) | 13:47 |
| alex_xu | cdent: cool | 13:47 |
| alex_xu | i already added myself as reviewer | 13:48 |
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| cdent | gret thank you | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: I just merged something that claimed to fix those failures | 13:48 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: \o/ | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, +Wed | 13:48 |
| alex_xu | cdent: np | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321916/ | 13:49 |
| cdent | i've rebased, we'll see if it makes happy now | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | ok, cool, anything more people want to bring up, otherwise, let us free the meeting, back to help on review. | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | 3... | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | 2.. | 13:51 |
| sdague | sounds good, thanks alex_xu | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | 1. | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | sdague: np | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | thanks all! | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-06-01-12.59.html | 13:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-06-01-12.59.txt | 13:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-06-01-12.59.log.html | 13:51 |
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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 14:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| acabot | hi | 14:00 |
| alexchadin | hi | 14:00 |
| acabot | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#06.2F01.2F2016 | 14:01 |
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| jed56 | hello | 14:01 |
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| hvprash | hi | 14:01 |
| vincentfrancoise | hi | 14:02 |
| tkaczynski | hi | 14:02 |
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| dtardivel | hi | 14:02 |
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| seanmurphy | hi | 14:02 |
| tpeoples | o/ | 14:02 |
| brunograz | hi | 14:02 |
| acabot | hi tpeoples ; good to see you ;-) | 14:02 |
| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
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| tkaczynski | big tent :) | 14:03 |
| acabot | #info Watcher has been accepted for the OpenStack big tent | 14:03 |
| acabot | last night | 14:03 |
| acabot | so congrats to everyone | 14:03 |
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| seanmurphy | great news! | 14:03 |
| brunograz | +1 | 14:03 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320941/ | 14:03 |
| sballe_ | o/ | 14:03 |
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| acabot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-05-31-20.02.log.html if you want to look at the TC discussion | 14:04 |
| jwcroppe | o/ | 14:04 |
| acabot | just some quotes I'd like to share with you | 14:04 |
| alexchadin | beautiful! | 14:04 |
| acabot | <johnthetubaguy> lots of operators seemed interested in the project at the ops meetup in manchester | 14:04 |
| acabot | <ttx> I like to think of it as more generally the background process that will apply some long-term optimization policy as you have churn on your resources | 14:04 |
| acabot | <sdague> "cloud defrag" | 14:04 |
| acabot | <jroll> another example use case besides power saving: shuffle things around to get a bunch of empty hypervisors, update kernels on the empties, move things back around to get other empties | 14:05 |
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| acabot | <russellb> "policy based live migration" is what it's called in some other things ... | 14:05 |
| * johnthetubaguy nods at good highlights picked out there | 14:05 | |
| jwcroppe | all very great comments | 14:05 |
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| ttx | also pretty great diveristy achieved pre-officialness | 14:06 |
| ttx | diversity* | 14:06 |
| acabot | the only "issue" we had was the tag "diverse-affiliation" | 14:06 |
| acabot | ttx : thx ;-) | 14:06 |
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| acabot | so now we can check metrics on stackalytics #link http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=openstack&metric=commits&module=watcher-group | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:07 |
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| acabot | we need more contribs to lower bcom contributions under 50% | 14:08 |
| acabot | if we want to get the "diverse-affiliation" tag ;-) | 14:08 |
| gzhai2 | :) | 14:08 |
| acabot | #info This achievement has been announced on the ML | 14:09 |
| acabot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096340.html | 14:09 |
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| alexchadin | I'm trying to invite more colleagues to watcher's contributing | 14:09 |
| acabot | I hope it will all help you to get more traction inside companies | 14:10 |
| acabot | lets move to watcher activity now | 14:10 |
| alexchadin | Rally peoples are interested in Watcher | 14:10 |
| acabot | #info Newton-1 release has been packaged on May 30th watcher v0.27, python-watcher client v0.23 & watcher-dashboard v0.3 | 14:10 |
| acabot | all packages are available on pypi & launchpad | 14:11 |
| tkaczynski | becoming big tent project definitely helps with traction I think | 14:11 |
| jwcroppe | +1 | 14:11 |
| hvprash | +1 | 14:11 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : I hope so and we will see that in the coming weeks, I would like to have bcom contribs under 50% by our next mid-cycle ! | 14:12 |
| acabot | #info seanmurphy published a blog post about Watcher | 14:12 |
| acabot | #link https://blog.zhaw.ch/icclab/employing-openstack-watcher-in-geyser-to-make-openstack-more-energy-efficient/ | 14:12 |
| acabot | thx seanmurphy | 14:12 |
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| seanmurphy | np - it’s not super high visibility stuff tbh | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | that is super. thx | 14:13 |
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| seanmurphy | but the bit of work that we’re doing here is within the context of that proj, so we have to promote it a bit | 14:13 |
| hvprash | nice ! | 14:13 |
| tkaczynski | do we have release notes somewhere with features released in newton-1 ? | 14:13 |
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| acabot | I forgot to mention it but I wrote down an article on bcom website #link https://b-com.com/en/news/back-austin-openstack-summit-antoine-cabot-gives-us-news-about-watcher-project | 14:14 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : actually no, we rely on launchpad to identify blueprints that have been implemented, we should probably improve this | 14:14 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: thanks | 14:15 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : I will look at it as soon as we have the Watcher doc hosted on openstack.org | 14:15 |
| tkaczynski | +1 | 14:15 |
| vincentfrancoise | tkaczynski acabot: we should maybe use reno (http://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/) to generate the release notes | 14:15 |
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| acabot | #action acabot look at improving release notes for Watcher / use reno | 14:16 |
| acabot | #info mid-cycle details will be announced on the ML by EOW | 14:16 |
| acabot | sballe_ : how many attendees do you have ? | 14:16 |
| tkaczynski | vincentfrancoise: good idea, but I guess this will require more discipline in putting the right comments in the commits or whatever is used to generate these release notes | 14:16 |
| sballe_ | for now 6 | 14:16 |
| sballe_ | so we can use more | 14:16 |
| sballe_ | jwcroppe: tpeoples jed56 acabot hvprash and sballe | 14:17 |
| sballe_ | I hope to get more people from intel. I just sent them out the notification | 14:17 |
| acabot | ok can you send an email on the ML to promote it ? | 14:17 |
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| sballe_ | sure | 14:18 |
| sballe_ | will do later today | 14:18 |
| vincentfrancoise | tkaczynski: Probably yes, but we already write openstack compliant commit messages so this should help | 14:18 |
| jwcroppe | ML activity will help a lot I think - we should also send an 'intro' note maybe now that we're Big Tent? | 14:18 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ send an email on the ML to promote our mid-cycle meetup | 14:18 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : I did http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096340.html | 14:18 |
| acabot | #info Watcher puppet repository is now available | 14:19 |
| acabot | thanks to the puppet team | 14:19 |
| acabot | #link https://github.com/openstack/puppet-watcher | 14:19 |
| sballe_ | acabot: for the internal intel clluster should edwin and I ask for rally to be installed? | 14:19 |
| sballe_ | +1 puppet team | 14:20 |
| acabot | we are looking for feedback from Rally team | 14:20 |
| acabot | alexchadin : any update on this ? | 14:20 |
| vincentfrancoise | thanks to danpawlik for initiating it as well ;) | 14:20 |
| alexchadin | acabot: yes | 14:20 |
| jed56 | IMHO, rally is design to benchmark Openstack | 14:20 |
| sballe_ | ok let us know since we are being ask for setup requirements | 14:20 |
| acabot | yes thx to danpawlik (I was looking for his IRC nick...) | 14:20 |
| alexchadin | acabot: I got instructions from Rally team of modifying Rally for Watcher Support | 14:21 |
| sballe_ | I agree but I am not a rally expert so not sure what to do if things go wrong | 14:21 |
| alexchadin | I can handle this if you want | 14:21 |
| sballe_ | but I can learn :) | 14:21 |
| hvprash | sballe_ what about telemetry ? | 14:21 |
| jed56 | alexchadin: what are the modifications they want to perform ? | 14:21 |
| sballe_ | edwin asked for ceilomter/monasca | 14:21 |
| danpawlik | we are community, each brings a lot for this project :) | 14:21 |
| sballe_ | hvprash: ^^ | 14:22 |
| gzhai2 | alexchadin: Do you have plan to enhance rally for watcher? | 14:22 |
| hvprash | thx sballe_, if any help needed on ceilometer will be happy to | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | jed56: we need WatcherOSClient in rally.osclients.OSClient | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | jed56: gate jobs | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | jed56: contexts | 14:23 |
| alexchadin | jed56: http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/plugins/context_plugin.html | 14:23 |
| jed56 | I'm not sure that we need to stress the watcher api | 14:23 |
| alexchadin | jed56: and scenarios http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/plugins/scenario_plugin.html | 14:23 |
| sballe_ | acabot: jed56 do we think ceilomter will scal eok for the 30 node test? | 14:23 |
| alexchadin | gzhai2: I do | 14:23 |
| jed56 | the watcher-api didn't need to scale a lot | 14:23 |
| sballe_ | I would prefer to ask for Ceilomter as the back end then Monasca. I have no real experience with Monasca | 14:24 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : dtardivel is looking at testing the latest version and ceilometer and probably bench Monasca later on | 14:24 |
| jed56 | sballe : I don't think so | 14:24 |
| sballe_ | ok perfect | 14:25 |
| sballe_ | does anybody remember waht the etherpad was called for this activity? | 14:25 |
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| gzhai2 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-test-environment-specifications | 14:25 |
| jed56 | alexchadin: we need more a tool the generate specifics workloads in the VMs | 14:25 |
| acabot | sballe_ : bookmark this one https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-etherpads ;-) | 14:26 |
| sballe_ | perfect | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | jed56: what kind of loads? | 14:26 |
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| alexchadin | jed56: CPU, RAM, Disk? | 14:26 |
| acabot | alexchadin : yes if we want to trigger migrations based on CPU load we need to deploy loaded VMs | 14:27 |
| jed56 | We can have several scenario depending of the goals | 14:27 |
| vtech | I was using the stress tool for that | 14:27 |
| vtech | there is a newer version stress-ng | 14:27 |
| acabot | vtech : that's what we did also but its far from reality ;-) | 14:27 |
| tkaczynski | there are some tools which can generate some specific workloads, like CPU, redis, etc. we used that for demo | 14:27 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: yes filebench for example | 14:28 |
| tkaczynski | I can try to find our what we used if that helps | 14:28 |
| seanmurphy | we found ceilometer to slow down the watcher api quite a bit - don’t have specifics to hand but can provide some details on the openstack-watcher chat in next day or two - even for a small scenario | 14:28 |
| tkaczynski | I would need to ask my colleagues | 14:28 |
| acabot | this is what we need to do now, define what will run in the infra to demonstrate watcher capabilities | 14:28 |
| vtech | stress-ng provides much more control than the original stress - http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~cking/stress-ng/ | 14:28 |
| acabot | vtech : thx, I will look at it | 14:29 |
| jed56 | The perfect tool can generate noisy neighboor , unbalanceload, etc | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | jed56 doo we have one of those | 14:29 |
| hvprash | there is the google perfkit benchmark. haven't tried it yet though - https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/PerfKitBenchmarker | 14:29 |
| acabot | any other announcement ? | 14:29 |
| jed56 | vtech: I agree but they are micro-benchmark | 14:29 |
| dtardivel | acabot: could we create a etherpad about stress and workload tools ? | 14:29 |
| jed56 | hvprash: I tried perfkitbenmark | 14:30 |
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| hvprash | any better ? | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | dtardivel: I am adding it to the etherpad for the test env | 14:30 |
| acabot | dtardivel : I would prefer to create a sub-section in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-test-environment-specifications | 14:30 |
| dtardivel | acabot: +1 | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I am doing that | 14:30 |
| vtech | jed56, sure, I just thought stress-ng worth mentioning... | 14:30 |
| jed56 | IMHO, we need some to tool to stress a real infrastructure but also use simulators | 14:31 |
| acabot | sballe_ ok | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | jed56, dtardivel feel free to add to the etehrpad | 14:31 |
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| jed56 | I have a POC which connect the watcher strategies with CloudSIm | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | What's CloudSim | 14:31 |
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| jed56 | #link www.cloudbus.org/cloudsim | 14:32 |
| jed56 | this an academic cloud simulator | 14:32 |
| jed56 | *is | 14:32 |
| jed56 | #link http://beyondtheclouds.github.io/VMPlaceS/ | 14:33 |
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| acabot | sorry but I'd like to come back to the agenda :-) | 14:33 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:33 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:33 |
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| jed56 | :-) | 14:33 |
| acabot | #info Add Watcher Continiously Optimization spec has been merged #link Add Watcher Continiously Optimization spec has been merged | 14:34 |
| acabot | alexchadin is working on the implem | 14:34 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:34 |
| alexchadin | +1 | 14:34 |
| tkaczynski | +1 | 14:34 |
| acabot | Audit parameters should be persistent in Db needs review from core #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317130/ | 14:34 |
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| alexchadin | it is ready to review | 14:35 |
| acabot | #action acabot sballe_ jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317130/ | 14:35 |
| hvprash | yeah, need more comments | 14:35 |
| dtardivel | hvprash: I will have a look on it | 14:35 |
| acabot | alexchadin : sorry I missed it | 14:35 |
| jwcroppe | will look | 14:35 |
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| hvprash | thx | 14:35 |
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| acabot | alexchadin needs more reviewers on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321411/ | 14:36 |
| sballe_ | I will look at it too | 14:36 |
| tpeoples | i'll take a look at that | 14:36 |
| acabot | #info Cluster model objects wrapper has been unassigned from tpeoples #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ | 14:36 |
| vincentfrancoise | I can review it | 14:36 |
| tpeoples | acabot: does vincentfrancoise plan to pick that up? i can help with the implmentation, but don't think i'll be able to drive the whole thing | 14:37 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ tpeoples vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321411/ | 14:37 |
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| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: I appreciate this:) | 14:37 |
| dtardivel | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317130/ :) | 14:38 |
| acabot | tpeoples : vincentfrancoise plan to work on it as soon as efficacy indicator will be merged but he will need help on implementation | 14:39 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: +1 | 14:39 |
| tpeoples | ok acabot.. let me get back into the swing of things and i'll start hacking at that like i planned to originally... :( :). when vincentfrancoise frees up he can help out | 14:39 |
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| acabot | Graph model describing virtual and physical elements in a data center & Consolidation of multiple Action-plans into a single one need reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298871/ | 14:40 |
| jed56 | acabot you can pick me | 14:40 |
| acabot | #action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298871/ | 14:41 |
| acabot | lets move to Watcher | 14:41 |
| acabot | #info plugins-parameters has been merged #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/plugins-parameters | 14:41 |
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| acabot | 2 new strategies have been merged Workload balance migration strategy implementation & Add Overload standard deviation strategy | 14:41 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ | 14:41 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ | 14:42 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ | 14:42 |
| acabot | Watcher CLI | 14:42 |
| acabot | #info openstackclient-plugin has been merged #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/openstackclient-plugin | 14:43 |
| acabot | so now you can use watcher with "openstack optimize" CLI ;-) | 14:43 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:43 |
| dtardivel | About the watcher cli, please have a look on latest documentation. Command syntax has changed !!! | 14:43 |
| acabot | you can still use both "watcher" and "openstack optimize" command | 14:44 |
| acabot | #link http://factory.b-com.com/www/watcher/doc/python-watcherclient/openstack_cli.html | 14:44 |
| acabot | Watcher puppet | 14:45 |
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| acabot | danpawlik has submited the initial commit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323864/ | 14:45 |
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| acabot | and need reviewers (if you are familiar with puppet :-)) | 14:46 |
| dtardivel | danpawlik: +1 | 14:46 |
| danpawlik | acabot: people from puppet are very helpful and I guess there will be no problem in review :) | 14:46 |
| acabot | danpawlik : ok | 14:46 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:47 |
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| gzhai2 | acabot: who can review optimization-threshold? | 14:47 |
| acabot | #info Newton-2 is our next milestone due July 11th (just before the mid-cycle) | 14:47 |
| acabot | gzhai2 : right I missed this one, sorry for that | 14:47 |
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| acabot | gzhai2 : still a jenkins issue ? | 14:48 |
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| acabot | gzhai2 needs reviewers on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ | 14:48 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: I think so. | 14:48 |
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| gzhai2 | jenkins has py34 and multinode error. | 14:49 |
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| acabot | who wants to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ ? | 14:49 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: I have made the review but still in draft for now | 14:49 |
| gzhai2 | vincentfrancoise: thanks! | 14:50 |
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| acabot | Newton-2 #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-2 | 14:50 |
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| acabot | tkaczynski : deadline is July 11th, are you back on the scoring module ? | 14:51 |
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| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: There is the question of how to validate the parameters that still bugs me but I will be discussing this with jed56 before posting the review ;) | 14:51 |
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| jed56 | +1 | 14:51 |
| gzhai2 | vincentfrancoise: we can discuss it in watcher chanel after meeting. | 14:51 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: TAP sprint for the release is finishing next Tuesday (7th June), from Wednesday I'm back 100% to Watcher | 14:51 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:52 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: great :) | 14:52 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : ok I will keep it for Newton-2 then | 14:52 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: sure | 14:52 |
| acabot | we still have an unassigned BP regarding policies #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-policies | 14:52 |
| acabot | does anyone wants to take it ? | 14:52 |
| tkaczynski | I should be able make some good progress, not sure if finish 100%, documentation etc. | 14:53 |
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| vincentfrancoise | tkaczynski: break down your changesets so we can validate the code even if you didn't finish the doc | 14:53 |
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| tkaczynski | vincentfrancoise: will do my best :) | 14:54 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : do you plan to come at the mid-cycle ? | 14:54 |
| acabot | 5 minutes left for open discussions | 14:54 |
| tkaczynski | I would like to, but I need to talk to management about funding | 14:55 |
| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:55 |
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| acabot | tkaczynski : still the same issue at Intel ;-) | 14:55 |
| acabot | should we add puppet repository and watcher-dashboard to project-config to get IRC notifications from CI ? | 14:55 |
| tpeoples | acabot: regarding the policies BP, shouldn't nearly all of the APIs be admin only? trying to think why an end user should have access, unless we would be using policies for certain types of admins | 14:55 |
| jed56 | tpeoples: +1 | 14:56 |
| vincentfrancoise | Why not | 14:56 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: always :) but I think it makes a sense to look at every dollar spent :) it would definitely help to have meetup somewhere closer | 14:56 |
| alexchadin | I will adapt Rally for Watcher and see what we can got from this | 14:56 |
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| acabot | tpeoples : dtardivel had a look at it a couple of months ago | 14:56 |
| sballe_ | tkaczynski: it is at the Intel location. aybe you can visit wih other peopel | 14:57 |
| acabot | coming back to my original discussion, should we add IRC notifications on our 2 new repos ? | 14:57 |
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| jed56 | acabot yes | 14:58 |
| tpeoples | might as well as long as it isn't spammy | 14:58 |
| sballe_ | What the Openstak way? we are now an official project | 14:58 |
| jed56 | vote ? :) | 14:58 |
| acabot | I really like to have on IRC but I dont want to spam everyone | 14:58 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: yes, we could have different types of admin user. We want just to allow an admin to configure rules from a policy file. | 14:58 |
| tkaczynski | sballe_: maybe. I should know more in few days I guess | 14:58 |
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| tpeoples | dtardivel: sure, that sounds reasonable... just don't think many deployers will utilize that sort of feature | 14:59 |
| acabot | #startvote should we add IRC notifs ? yes, no | 14:59 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we add IRC notifs ? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:59 |
| tpeoples | #vote yes | 14:59 |
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| jed56 | #vote yes | 14:59 |
| sballe_ | #vote yes | 14:59 |
| acabot | #vote yes | 14:59 |
| dtardivel | #vote yes | 14:59 |
| alexchadin | #vote yes | 14:59 |
| gzhai2 | #vote yes | 14:59 |
| hvprash | #vote yes | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | #vote yes | 14:59 |
| acabot | #endvote | 15:00 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we add IRC notifs ?" Results are | 15:00 |
| openstack | yes (9): vincentfrancoise, tpeoples, alexchadin, hvprash, jed56, dtardivel, acabot, gzhai2, sballe_ | 15:00 |
| acabot | ok done | 15:00 |
| sballe_ | I am glad we voted ;-) | 15:00 |
| jed56 | FYI, I'm starting to develop a POC to avoid to bypass the nova scheduler rules | 15:00 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: by the way, I was thinking in the meantime about scoring module in Watcher and it seems that I will need to make some changes comparing to what is in the spec | 15:00 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel add watcher-puppet & watcher-dashboard notifs on IRC | 15:00 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: do I need to update the spec and go through the review again? | 15:00 |
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| sballe_ | jed56: 1 | 15:00 |
| acabot | we have to end the meeting | 15:00 |
| acabot | thx | 15:00 |
| sballe_ | bye | 15:00 |
| sballe_ | thx | 15:00 |
| hvprash | bye | 15:01 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| gzhai2 | bye | 15:01 |
| alexchadin | bye | 15:01 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 15:01 |
| jed56 | bye bye | 15:01 |
| tkaczynski | bye | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 15:01:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-06-01-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-06-01-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
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| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 16:30:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| inc0 | hello everyone, show of hands please | 16:30 |
| akwasnie | hi | 16:31 |
| mandre | o/ | 16:31 |
| vhosakot | o/ | 16:31 |
| coolsvap | hello o/ | 16:31 |
| nihilifer | o/ | 16:31 |
| rhallisey | #topic rolll-call ? | 16:31 |
| pbourke-home | o/ | 16:31 |
| rhallisey | hi! | 16:31 |
| inc0 | damn | 16:31 |
| sbezverk | o/ | 16:31 |
| rhallisey | #topic show-hands | 16:31 |
| inc0 | #topic rollcall | 16:31 |
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| rhallisey | :) | 16:31 |
| masahito | hi | 16:31 |
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| rhallisey | hi again! | 16:31 |
| pbourke-home | hi | 16:32 |
| inc0 | please re-show of hands;) | 16:32 |
| sbezverk | o/ | 16:32 |
| mandre | \o | 16:32 |
| inc0 | I'm new to running meetings | 16:32 |
| nihilifer | \o | 16:32 |
| vhosakot | \o | 16:32 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:32 |
| coolsvap | hello |o/ :) | 16:32 |
| inc0 | #topic agenda | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | agena in wiki is outdated unfortunately | 16:33 |
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| inc0 | but we'll go through usual stuff | 16:33 |
| wirehead_ | o/ | 16:33 |
| inc0 | #topic Announcements | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:33 | |
| inc0 | 1. we're past n-1 | 16:33 |
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| inc0 | https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-1 | 16:33 |
| vhosakot | _o_ \o\ /o/ _o| |o_ | 16:33 |
| inc0 | lots and lots of stuff there | 16:33 |
| sdake | actually newton 1 releases this week | 16:34 |
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| inc0 | well its May 30 - Jun 3 | 16:34 |
| sbezverk | vhosakot is it somehitng like YMCA ;-) ?? | 16:34 |
| vhosakot | :) | 16:34 |
| inc0 | so yeah, we still have few days | 16:34 |
| mliima | hello \o | 16:34 |
| inc0 | please, let everyone take a bug from n-1 list and try to close it | 16:34 |
| inc0 | we have tons of bugs confirmed, we need to get this managable | 16:35 |
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| inc0 | any other announcements? | 16:35 |
| sdake | yes | 16:35 |
| sdake | the most important thing we can do in the next 2 days is make sure mitaka-1 is stable | 16:35 |
| sdake | rather newton-1 | 16:35 |
| sdake | tia :) | 16:36 |
| inc0 | so "tons of bugs" and "take at least one";) | 16:36 |
| pbourke-home | small announcement | 16:36 |
| pbourke-home | oraclelinux gates are now active and green :) | 16:36 |
| inc0 | yay | 16:36 |
| mandre | wouhou | 16:36 |
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| pbourke-home | thanks all for help with that | 16:36 |
| vhosakot | cool! | 16:36 |
| coolsvap | pbourke-home, (y) | 16:37 |
| sdake | than kyou pbourke-home for doing the majority of the work :) | 16:37 |
| inc0 | anything else? can we move on? | 16:37 |
| inc0 | #topic DSL | 16:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DSL (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:37 | |
| inc0 | since sdake is up and about, let's have quick discussion about it please | 16:38 |
| inc0 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323612/5 | 16:38 |
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| sdake | i need to leave on the hour | 16:38 |
| wirehead_ | I'm going to paste what I said previously: The problem with the DSL is that it requires a certain structure for the generated Dockerfiles but it will be much harder to write inscruitable Elemental. The problem with jinja2 is that if you aren't carefull, you can cross over into being inscruitable, but you won't worry about things not representable in Elemental down the road. | 16:38 |
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| inc0 | sdake, let's try to get as much discussed as possible | 16:39 |
| vhosakot | I will review the PS | 16:39 |
| * rhallisey needs to also :) | 16:39 | |
| inc0 | so my take on it - imho we can't deprecate jinja2 without at least full cycle of deprecation | 16:39 |
| sdake | what i'd like is for people to review it on the patch | 16:39 |
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| sdake | deprecation policies don't apply to internal implementations | 16:39 |
| inc0 | it's not internal implementation | 16:40 |
| mandre | it's external sdake | 16:40 |
| inc0 | it's somethign that people use and extend | 16:40 |
| sdake | 'people' here being 1 or 2 people | 16:40 |
| sdake | or maybe 10 | 16:40 |
| sdake | the longer we wait the more pain there is in their transition | 16:40 |
| inc0 | every operator that I heard from and runs kolla on prod either plan or did changes to dockerfiles or created their own | 16:40 |
| inc0 | sdake, that's not true | 16:40 |
| inc0 | lots of deployments use things like vendor storage or vendor networking | 16:41 |
| sdake | deprecation poliices ONLY apply to external interfaces | 16:41 |
| inc0 | they will go through pains of writing their dockerfiles | 16:41 |
| inc0 | and with upgrade we'll break their env | 16:41 |
| inc0 | this IS external interface | 16:41 |
| inc0 | so we NEED a deprecation period for it | 16:42 |
| inc0 | and that's even if we agree that it's good idea at all, which I'm not convinced about tbh | 16:42 |
| sdake | i disagree with your assertion that it is an external interface, just because people are using it as such | 16:42 |
| pbourke-home | i agree on that tbh | 16:42 |
| sdake | you agree on which pbourke-home | 16:42 |
| wirehead_ | It's an internal 'accidentally external' interface. | 16:42 |
| pbourke-home | we are planning to rebase soon and if everything changes to dsl I am pretty certain it will be a blocker | 16:43 |
| coolsvap | we are not providing dockerfiles we are providing containers | 16:43 |
| inc0 | coolsvap, that's a false | 16:43 |
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| inc0 | we provide dockerfiles which can be built | 16:43 |
| inc0 | and really, practiaclity over philosophyu | 16:43 |
| mandre | people use our tools to build their images | 16:43 |
| inc0 | if we lose deployments "because you shouldn't do this in the first place" we did lose a deployment | 16:43 |
| coolsvap | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/projects.yaml#n2107 | 16:43 |
| pbourke-home | im not totally against the dsl as you know, but the backwards compatibility/stability argument inc0 makes is ringing true with me | 16:43 |
| pbourke-home | are we not a little beyond sweeping architectural changes | 16:44 |
| pbourke-home | at this point | 16:44 |
| inc0 | and we really CANT make this argument because we didn't provide good way to meet use cases of vendor stuff in mitaka | 16:44 |
| wirehead_ | Being overly afraid of sweeping architectural changes has caused much pain and suffering in the OpenStack world. | 16:44 |
| pbourke-home | wirehead_: I would argue the ones made cause more pain | 16:44 |
| pbourke-home | for the operators | 16:45 |
| inc0 | wirehead_, we are operator tool | 16:45 |
| inc0 | and a deployment tool | 16:45 |
| inc0 | if we break something, it's not just kolla thats broken | 16:45 |
| inc0 | its literally everything | 16:45 |
| sdake | the only thing that even rings viably in your argument is that operators that have cusotmized their dockerfiles | 16:46 |
| coolsvap | i think the argument here should be whether we think DSL is a good way to generate Dockerfiles or not | 16:46 |
| inc0 | our first and foremost priority should be stability of a deployment | 16:46 |
| sdake | wont be able to easily move their customizations to a new implementation of the dsl | 16:46 |
| inc0 | no sdake that's not only thing | 16:46 |
| wirehead_ | That still trebles to the pain of realizing we should have done something now a few years down the road. | 16:46 |
| inc0 | I just don't want to say that you're overly confident in "this is easy" part | 16:46 |
| coolsvap | why it is and why it is not, what are the potential blockers | 16:46 |
| sdake | ok lets table the deprecation policy now, seems like putting cart before horse | 16:47 |
| inc0 | let me give you an example of build.py | 16:47 |
| sdake | there will be no need for deprecation if we dont do a dsl | 16:47 |
| sdake | so lets move on to coolsvap 's lline of reasoning | 16:47 |
| inc0 | well, if we agree on doing dsl and add deprecation policy, that means we will support both jinja2 | 16:47 |
| inc0 | and dsl | 16:47 |
| inc0 | for time being | 16:47 |
| inc0 | and see if dsl flies | 16:47 |
| vhosakot | is there an etherpad for DSL ? where do we write our views ? | 16:48 |
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| sdake | vhosakot in the review inc0 linked above | 16:48 |
| wirehead_ | vhosakot, there's a blueprint spec. | 16:48 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, let's use review | 16:48 |
| vhosakot | ah ok cool | 16:48 |
| coolsvap | vhosakot, patch 323612 | 16:48 |
| sdake | there will come a day | 16:48 |
| sdake | if we dont do the dsl now | 16:48 |
| inc0 | blocker for me: maturity of code is important | 16:48 |
| sdake | where we will be forced to do it because of the crushing weight of our existing implementation as we scale out the big tent | 16:48 |
| inc0 | we have fairly mature stuff now, needs refactoring but it's mature | 16:48 |
| inc0 | (it needs refactoring because it matured) | 16:49 |
| sdake | history revisionism | 16:49 |
| inc0 | I'd call it an experience | 16:49 |
| sdake | what really happened is people bolted a bunch of stuff onto builld.py to customize stuff without any concern for consistency | 16:49 |
| pbourke-home | right now we have one dockerfile per image, and we will be replacing that with one yaml file per image | 16:50 |
| sdake | we need to make the customization step of build.py separate from building the images | 16:50 |
| sdake | pbourke-home i was thinking one yaml file per container set | 16:50 |
| pbourke-home | the add on files will only be for customisation right | 16:50 |
| sdake | but whatever works | 16:50 |
| inc0 | sdake, agree on that we need to refactor build.py | 16:50 |
| sdake | pbourke-home the new dsl will be the way to generate the dsl | 16:50 |
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| pbourke-home | so are we better off number of file wise | 16:50 |
| inc0 | but that doesn't mean throwing it away | 16:50 |
| wirehead_ | Also, providing a superior experience for add-on Kolla functionality is probably going to make the pain of the DSL less, IMHO. | 16:50 |
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| wirehead_ | That seems to be something not well thought out so far. | 16:50 |
| sdake | there are 40 container sets | 16:50 |
| sdake | there are 115 containers | 16:50 |
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| inc0 | pbourke-home, we can achieve same thing in jinja | 16:51 |
| sdake | with the method in the spec, there would be 40 yml files | 16:51 |
| inc0 | it's a matter of what we want, technologically we can pull off a lot | 16:51 |
| pbourke-home | inc0: i know im just addressing the 'we're going to be overwhelmed by big tent' arg | 16:51 |
| pbourke-home | there are 40 j2 files now though | 16:51 |
| sdake | there are 115 j2 files | 16:51 |
| sdake | there woud lbe 40 yml files | 16:51 |
| inc0 | yeah, we were limited by "only use if" | 16:52 |
| sdake | because heat has heat-api, heat-api-cfn, heat-engine, etc | 16:52 |
| pbourke-home | ah I see | 16:52 |
| sdake | these are a container set | 16:52 |
| pbourke-home | you will compress them | 16:52 |
| vhosakot | yeah, we have 100+ j2 and 100+ Dockerfiles | 16:52 |
| pbourke-home | yeah that's one nice thing | 16:52 |
| sdake | the top level directory contains elemental.yml" | 16:52 |
| wirehead_ | If we're going to make an issue out of this, a non-sdake representative needs to actually determine how hard it is to translate a service from j2 to yml. | 16:52 |
| sdake | i could compress them into one file but i think per container set is fine | 16:52 |
| sdake | wirehead_ i htink we all think that is trivial | 16:53 |
| sdake | ut i could be wrong | 16:53 |
| sdake | it takes about 20 minutes per service | 16:53 |
| pbourke-home | inc0: how would you feel about using a less specific form of dsl | 16:53 |
| inc0 | so pbourke-home we can easily refactor our Dockerfiles to make use of full jinja2 potential and compress everything as we like | 16:53 |
| inc0 | so I just fail to see any real value in DSL in any form | 16:53 |
| inc0 | since we have perfectly working tool now | 16:53 |
| sdake | inc0 in that cae, jinja2 is a dsl, lets throw it out! | 16:53 |
| pbourke-home | I think there's value in it | 16:53 |
| sdake | inc0 it is perfectly workign for existing requirements | 16:54 |
| pbourke-home | but the question is is it enough | 16:54 |
| sdake | not new requirements | 16:54 |
| rhallisey | inc0, my opinion is similar | 16:54 |
| inc0 | it's a dsl that's mature, documented, stable and we already use it | 16:54 |
| coolsvap | i think we can always achieve a whole lot technologically but we need to find the best fit of technology and user experience | 16:54 |
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| wirehead_ | Putting on my operator hat, I suspect I'd be able to glean more information faster out of sdake's yaml file than a fully optimized jinja2 template. | 16:54 |
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| sdake | yes recall kolla is a tool targeted at operators | 16:54 |
| sdake | not jinja2 rocket scientists | 16:54 |
| sbezverk | when you look at j2 files and yml files, yaml looks more clean, I think operators will appreciate that if in addition they will be provided documentation | 16:54 |
| inc0 | so let's throw it out and create somethign immature, new, buggy and screw everyone who dared to create their own dockerfiles in the process | 16:54 |
| pbourke-home | wirehead_: operators wont want to learn the dsl | 16:54 |
| inc0 | pbourke-home, correct me if I'm wrong, that includes Oracle too right? | 16:54 |
| pbourke-home | inc0: yes | 16:54 |
| sdake | inc0 i will address everything bu tthe lat part about people who made their own dockerfiles | 16:55 |
| inc0 | let me rephrase, is there any operator who has prod deployments who DID not edit any dockerfile? | 16:55 |
| sdake | inc0 we will have a full testing period of 6 weeks in repo | 16:55 |
| sdake | plus the rest o fthe cycle | 16:55 |
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| inc0 | well, I've put 7 points in total in review | 16:55 |
| sdake | 5 months is plenty of time to harden any mistakes we made | 16:55 |
| inc0 | no, it is not, we have tons of bugs, other prority items and such to address | 16:56 |
| wirehead_ | pbourke-home, I could say that on the other way around. Operators wont want to learn our particular set of jinja2 either. | 16:56 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ya but you're talking about hardening mistakes and adding new features | 16:56 |
| rhallisey | this kinda halts all new features | 16:56 |
| sdake | pbourke-home to that argument, you could label the custom plugin shit we have all over build.py | 16:56 |
| sdake | pbourke-home yet people learn how to use that stuff - necessity is mother of invention and all that | 16:56 |
| wirehead_ | There's also creating a concept of an 'external builder'. | 16:56 |
| inc0 | wirehead_, jinja2 is really close to what Dockerfile looks like | 16:56 |
| sdake | rhallisey it doesn't halt any new features | 16:56 |
| inc0 | well it is how Dockerfile looks like with if statements, for loops and includes | 16:57 |
| sdake | i suspect, during development and review, atleast one docker file will get messed up during dev | 16:57 |
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| inc0 | and few other | 16:57 |
| sdake | and that will need repair | 16:57 |
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| wirehead_ | The present jinja2 is really close to what Dockerfile looks like. As the jinja2 complexity increases that may not be the case. | 16:57 |
| inc0 | it's always just a templating language | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | I think it will, because we will be strengthening dsl | 16:57 |
| sdake | wirehead_ bingo im right there with you | 16:57 |
| inc0 | nothing more | 16:57 |
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| rhallisey | mandre, you here? | 16:57 |
| inc0 | so sdake let say you start making dsl a mianstream | 16:58 |
| wirehead_ | PHP is "just" HTML. :) | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | did people see what mandre's method for third party plugins was? | 16:58 |
| mandre | I'm pretty much of inc0's opinion | 16:58 |
| inc0 | wirehead_, so let's remove php and write our websites in yaml that will generate html | 16:58 |
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| wirehead_ | There's at least 10 implemtations of that for each popular language in Github. | 16:58 |
| inc0 | yeah, I don't feel adding another one | 16:59 |
| inc0 | none of them were really good ideas, we can iterate examples | 16:59 |
| sdake | mandre of which opinion, that dsl is a bad idea? | 16:59 |
| inc0 | so tell me this sdake: let say we agree on DSL | 16:59 |
| inc0 | how do we add new container until all DSL is ready? | 16:59 |
| mandre | I believe we can clean up our code base with advanced jinja2, and implement plugins in a nicer way | 17:00 |
| inc0 | how do you merge anything without breaking master untill all dsl is ready? | 17:00 |
| mandre | that the dsl is overkill and not flexible enouth | 17:00 |
| inc0 | by all I mean every single container for every single distro and install type | 17:00 |
| sdake | mandre its not just plugins, we need customized binaries installed and customized repos PER COTNAINER | 17:00 |
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| inc0 | sdake, doable with jinja | 17:00 |
| inc0 | easily | 17:00 |
| sdake | mandre your reaching at not flexible enough - you haven't provided any example where it can't work | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | it's doable | 17:00 |
| sdake | either way is doable | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | sdake, his third party plugin patch | 17:00 |
| inc0 | sdake, install a package, run a command, install a package | 17:00 |
| inc0 | in that order | 17:01 |
| sdake | the quetion is what is the best way for operators to engage with the project | 17:01 |
| inc0 | how do you do it in yaml? | 17:01 |
| mandre | exactly what inc0 said | 17:01 |
| sdake | mandre higher up a level | 17:01 |
| sdake | inc0 higher up a level | 17:01 |
| inc0 | nop | 17:01 |
| sdake | how does the operator integrate with it | 17:01 |
| inc0 | install a c compiler, compile requirement lib, install a software needing compiled lib | 17:01 |
| inc0 | real world example when you might need this order | 17:02 |
| sdake | yaml lis ordered | 17:02 |
| mandre | sdake, you can't control order in which the instructions are run with your dsl | 17:02 |
| sdake | its not a random ordering of things | 17:02 |
| inc0 | but you group install packages together | 17:02 |
| sdake | mandre that is incorrect | 17:02 |
| inc0 | so unless you want to do command that install stuff, it's impossible | 17:02 |
| inc0 | and if you do then you'll do yaml that has nested dockerfile | 17:02 |
| sdake | i really need to jet soon | 17:03 |
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| sdake | and this discussion needs to take place on the review | 17:03 |
| inc0 | sdake, indulge me, how do you do it in your yaml? | 17:03 |
| sdake | but, here is the bottom line from my end | 17:03 |
| sdake | i gotta go I ontt have time at this point to explain it to you | 17:03 |
| sdake | remember, I said I have to leave ont he hour | 17:03 |
| sdake | I wrote a spec | 17:03 |
| sdake | I expect mandre and inc0 to write a spec as well that meets all the requirements I sset out in the use casees | 17:03 |
| sdake | I expect the core reviewers to review both of these specs and provide voting | 17:04 |
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| sdake | if no spec wins, then we will have no customization | 17:04 |
| pbourke-home | i know sdake has to go but I'll just throw this out and he can read later on | 17:04 |
| sdake | if both specs win, well what can I say, I dont know what to do with this | 17:04 |
| pbourke-home | I personally would not bother with specs and just do pocs | 17:04 |
| nihilifer | pbourke-home: +1 | 17:04 |
| inc0 | pocs are there really | 17:04 |
| inc0 | well give me a bit to polish jinja2 | 17:04 |
| pbourke-home | inc0: not enough | 17:04 |
| coolsvap | pbourke-home, sdague +1 | 17:04 |
| sdake | pbourke-home the reason we do specs is to break logjams | 17:04 |
| nihilifer | dunno whether doing pocs instead of specs is "openstack way" | 17:05 |
| pbourke-home | the dsl is barely functional | 17:05 |
| sdake | specs blow donkey | 17:05 |
| pbourke-home | so it doesn't offer answers to the questions been asked here | 17:05 |
| inc0 | nihilifer, whichever works, one poc is better than 100 specs imho | 17:05 |
| nihilifer | agree | 17:05 |
| sdake | the reason is becaue they add a bunch of tiem and complexity to development | 17:05 |
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| nihilifer | let's get the pocs in "workable" state | 17:05 |
| pbourke-home | I say this as someone who contributed some code to the dsl poc so its nothing personal | 17:05 |
| rhallisey | 2 pocs trial by combat? | 17:05 |
| pbourke-home | yes | 17:05 |
| sdake | in this case, because inc0 and mandre disagree, and possibly some others (its unclear) we require a spec with a majority vote | 17:05 |
| inc0 | that's why we only do specs if we want to throw out our fundamental architecture | 17:05 |
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| pbourke-home | let the spec come after | 17:06 |
| pbourke-home | or in paralell | 17:06 |
| sdake | i want all discussion in one spec | 17:06 |
| nihilifer | well, i'd like to have 100% working pocs first, then spec voting | 17:06 |
| sdake | or two specs | 17:06 |
| sdake | but not all spread out over 20 patches | 17:06 |
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| pbourke-home | one spec and one poc for each | 17:06 |
| pbourke-home | then vote | 17:06 |
| nihilifer | hmmm... ok | 17:06 |
| inc0 | ok, agree | 17:06 |
| sdake | wfm | 17:07 |
| pbourke-home | they should prob have the same requirements though | 17:07 |
| inc0 | thanks pbourke-home | 17:07 |
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| pbourke-home | they need to be listed | 17:07 |
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| mandre | sounds good | 17:07 |
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| sdake | as long as use cases are ALL met in the spec i wrote | 17:07 |
| pbourke-home | so they aren't solving different problems | 17:07 |
| pbourke-home | and then saying theirs is the best :) | 17:07 |
| inc0 | there is a list in sdake spec | 17:07 |
| rhallisey | awesome :) | 17:07 |
| coolsvap | agreed | 17:07 |
| inc0 | I'll add few of my own | 17:07 |
| sdake | pbourke-home good thinking | 17:07 |
| sdake | inc0 if you want to add stuff thats fine, but lets keep it implementation agnostic | 17:07 |
| inc0 | ofc | 17:07 |
| sdake | i am interested in use cases here | 17:07 |
| sdake | these are just hte use cases coming out of "my sales channel" | 17:08 |
| inc0 | I don't do troyan horses...most of the time | 17:08 |
| sdake | ok brainstorm the midcycle | 17:08 |
| sdake | sessions | 17:08 |
| sdake | I need a list of sessions | 17:08 |
| sdake | I have to go now | 17:08 |
| sdake | bbi1hr or so | 17:08 |
| mliima | lgtm, i agree | 17:08 |
| inc0 | ok | 17:08 |
| inc0 | #topic midcycle brainstorm | 17:09 |
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| inc0 | etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-midcycle | 17:09 |
| inc0 | so, question guys, do we have venue? | 17:09 |
| wirehead_ | or a date, although I might just be behind the power curve there. | 17:09 |
| rhallisey | inc0, I think still unknown | 17:09 |
| wirehead_ | Are we doing it cohosted with an existing midcycle (c.f. operator?) | 17:10 |
| inc0 | nothing that I know of | 17:10 |
| vhosakot | I thought Boston and Rayleigh, NC were discussed as venues | 17:10 |
| inc0 | well, let's do a brainstorm for sessions | 17:10 |
| rhallisey | I can try for Westford,MA | 17:10 |
| rhallisey | vhosakot, ya | 17:10 |
| vhosakot | Raleigh* | 17:10 |
| vhosakot | cool | 17:10 |
| inc0 | we also had option for Canada | 17:11 |
| inc0 | Lyncos is trying to do that | 17:11 |
| inc0 | so let's explore our options, I'll try Texas;) | 17:11 |
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| rhallisey | anyone have anything to add to the etherpad for topics :) | 17:11 |
| inc0 | although TX in the middle of summer might be hard to bear | 17:11 |
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| wirehead_ | Kolla-Kubernetes | 17:12 |
| rhallisey | wirehead_, add it :) | 17:12 |
| rhallisey | added it* | 17:12 |
| wirehead_ | I've gone biking in TX in the middle of summer. I fear nothing except running over armadillos. | 17:14 |
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| inc0 | let's do this till 12.20 | 17:16 |
| inc0 | so 3 more minutes | 17:16 |
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| wirehead_ | So, minor rant: I started using Kolla-Kubernetes and Kolla a week or so ago and there have been a bunch of cases where the mainline was broken. | 17:17 |
| inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-midcycle | 17:17 |
| inc0 | wirehead_, let's leave it for open discussion 2 minutes from now;) | 17:18 |
| inc0 | I'd like to hear how it's broken | 17:18 |
| inc0 | kk, let's leave it for now | 17:20 |
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| inc0 | we can review it again next week | 17:20 |
| inc0 | #topic Open discussion | 17:20 |
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| inc0 | wirehead_, you have a floor | 17:20 |
| wirehead_ | K, so two things I observed. First, ansible 2.0 being changed in mainline but the docs not being changed. | 17:20 |
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| inc0 | I think there was patch upstream | 17:21 |
| inc0 | not sure tho, but sure, we need to add docs for it | 17:21 |
| pbourke-home | the docs will lag behind to some extent | 17:21 |
| pbourke-home | as they're not required as part of a change | 17:21 |
| inc0 | it's a master tho so that's understandable | 17:21 |
| rhallisey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322361/2 | 17:21 |
| wirehead_ | So, the docs were saying Ansible 1.9.4. The actual working build at the moment was Ansible 2.0, with a doc patch that said 2.x was OK. | 17:22 |
| inc0 | yeah, in master it's expected to have some period between api change and doc change | 17:23 |
| wirehead_ | I would disagree with that assertion. | 17:23 |
| inc0 | well, that's our policy | 17:24 |
| inc0 | since we don't do docs and feature in same patch | 17:24 |
| rhallisey | well we could be faster | 17:24 |
| inc0 | that's always true;) | 17:24 |
| rhallisey | maybe shouldve required the doc change with the 2.0 change | 17:24 |
| inc0 | anything else on your mind wirehead_ ? | 17:24 |
| wirehead_ | 95% of the time, it's OK to lag the docs. Not for things of the Ansible magnitude. | 17:24 |
| inc0 | well, special cases are not special enough | 17:25 |
| pbourke-home | Ive always wondered about the doc policy tbh | 17:25 |
| pbourke-home | as to how much sense it makes | 17:25 |
| pbourke-home | if you change something important, you should document it | 17:25 |
| inc0 | me too, but reason is that we won't hold back code for typos in docs | 17:25 |
| pbourke-home | true | 17:25 |
| inc0 | as code might be blocker for other stuff | 17:25 |
| wirehead_ | So, second observation was that I had a regression on Kolla-kubernetes over the weekend. I'm mostly giving it a pass because month-old-project. | 17:25 |
| pbourke-home | also I get some people are good devs but just can't document | 17:25 |
| pbourke-home | it is what it is | 17:25 |
| rhallisey | wirehead_, ya there's no gating yet so it's going to happen here and there | 17:26 |
| inc0 | well it as, as yhou said, month old project which we still work on architectural level | 17:26 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, that's mostly a "we should start working on gating" comment. | 17:27 |
| inc0 | that is also always true;) | 17:27 |
| inc0 | and it holds true to kolla ansible too | 17:27 |
| inc0 | our gates sux | 17:27 |
| inc0 | not as much as it used to, but still | 17:27 |
| wirehead_ | Projects that implement gating earlier move faster. | 17:27 |
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| inc0 | well, we have some openstack infra constrains | 17:28 |
| pbourke-home | i just added a note to the midcycle to dicuss why we still can't make ours gate vote | 17:28 |
| inc0 | anyway, 2 minutes left | 17:28 |
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| inc0 | ok, thank you guys! | 17:29 |
| inc0 | cya all in #openstack-kolla | 17:29 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 17:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 17:29:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-06-01-16.30.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-06-01-16.30.txt | 17:29 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 17:29 |
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| boden | o/ howdy | 17:30 |
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| dougwig | HenryG: ping | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 17:31:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 17:31 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | henry announced the neutron midcycle in ireland. let me grab a link. | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096255.html | 17:32 |
| dougwig | boden: any chance you'll be coming to that? | 17:32 |
| boden | dougwig, prob not | 17:33 |
| dougwig | #topic Open Discussion | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | only two of us here, and i have nothing new. boden? | 17:33 |
| boden | Working on #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1584237 | 17:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1584237 in neutron "Support local validators" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Boden R (boden) | 17:33 |
| boden | As part of this I plan to make minor updates to neutron-lib attributes.py | 17:33 |
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| boden | Happy to discuss details here, but a patch is perhaps a better discussion vehicle | 17:34 |
| boden | From last time; I have 3 open reviews and other patches that could go up for review, but am withholding them due to dependency chain | 17:34 |
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| boden | To be transparent; I'm not sure the common agent stuff will get into neutron-lib within the timeframes we discussed previously; the reviews are moving a lil slow : ) | 17:34 |
| dougwig | patch is fine to discuss. | 17:36 |
| dougwig | ok, i'll make a point to review today. my current time crunch has gone on *way* longer than I expected. | 17:36 |
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| dougwig | anything else you need, besides review time? | 17:36 |
| boden | I don’t think so | 17:36 |
| boden | But; I do have a question | 17:37 |
| boden | Are neutron changes that depend on neutron-lib gated on a 'release' of the lib, or just on neutron-lib master? | 17:37 |
| dougwig | they have to wait for a pypi release. | 17:38 |
| boden | and we usually do that how often? | 17:38 |
| dougwig | so generally i dup in the neutron repo to avoid that, and undo later. | 17:38 |
| dougwig | ok, let's get back to coding. | 17:40 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 17:40:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-06-01-17.31.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-06-01-17.31.txt | 17:40 |
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| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 19:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| serverascode | hi, is anyone here for the operators telco/nfv meeting? | 19:00 |
| serverascode | #topic rollcall | 19:00 |
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| serverascode | let me know if anyone is here for the meeting, otherwise it'll be a short one :) | 19:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | o/ | 19:02 |
| serverascode | sridhar_ram: hi :) | 19:03 |
| serverascode | I'll give it another 2 or 3 min to see if anyone else shows up | 19:04 |
| ALUVial | o/ | 19:04 |
| serverascode | ALUVial: hi :) | 19:04 |
| serverascode | sridhar_ram and ALUVial where are you located? | 19:05 |
| sridhar_ram | serverascode: SF bay area | 19:05 |
| ALUVial | Plano TX | 19:05 |
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| serverascode | ok, well I guess it's just the 3 of us | 19:06 |
| serverascode | #topic meeting times | 19:07 |
| sridhar_ram | serverascode: i remember we had a packed room in AUS Summit ! | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meeting times (Meeting topic: operators_telco_nfv)" | 19:07 | |
| serverascode | Given that we are all in North America I'm not sure what to do on this topic | 19:07 |
| serverascode | we can have a second weekly meeting and set that for a time that works better for other areas | 19:07 |
| serverascode | any thoughts on that? | 19:07 |
| ALUVial | and bang goes my hope for lurking and just listening in | 19:07 |
| serverascode | lol | 19:07 |
| sridhar_ram | serverascode: I don't think we have quorum here.. so, we need to cut this short | 19:08 |
| serverascode | ok, is there any definition of quorum at all? | 19:08 |
| sridhar_ram | serverascode: :) | 19:08 |
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| serverascode | I think maybe this time is good for NA but no where else, I could change it to be earlier, it was mentioned in the etherpad that europe works better on 8 to 1600 UTC | 19:09 |
| serverascode | or do we just leave it and I try to get more ppl to the next meeting to make some time decisions | 19:09 |
| ALUVial | still, would have expected a bigger NA turnout. Is the time really the issue? | 19:10 |
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| serverascode | yeah maybe not | 19:10 |
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| ALUVial | conference call to get things going perhaps? | 19:10 |
| serverascode | some openstack meetings do have con calls | 19:11 |
| serverascode | I could work on setting something up if that would make sense | 19:11 |
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| serverascode | #action serverascode look into a conference call possibility | 19:12 |
| serverascode | anything else on meeting time? | 19:12 |
| sridhar_ram | serverascode: it is worth trying.. perhaps a doodle poll to gauge some interest | 19:13 |
| serverascode | ah yeah, good idea, ok | 19:13 |
| serverascode | anyone want to take that? or I can | 19:13 |
| ALUVial | yep! | 19:13 |
| ALUVial | I mean - good idea | 19:13 |
| serverascode | ok I can take that | 19:13 |
| serverascode | #action serverascode setup a doodle poll | 19:13 |
| serverascode | anyone else joined in the last few min? | 19:14 |
| ALUVial | i'll ping a couple of people I expected to be on this meeting to see where they were | 19:14 |
| serverascode | cool | 19:14 |
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| ALUVial | I think they were focused on upcoming OPNFV | 19:14 |
| serverascode | yeah | 19:15 |
| serverascode | #topic longish term project | 19:15 |
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| serverascode | so the large deployment team tends to take on longer term projects to make things better, any thoughts on what we might be able to do that is similar? | 19:15 |
| serverascode | there are a few issues listed in the etherpad | 19:15 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 19:16 |
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| serverascode | ok, like sridhar_ram said, we don't have much for ppl, so that will be something to discuss in future meetings | 19:17 |
| sridhar_ram | serverascode: before embarking on that, do we have an handle on what specs that are in-flight that are NFV related ? | 19:17 |
| serverascode | good point, I'm not sure, that would be a good question to answer | 19:18 |
| sridhar_ram | serverascode: it will be great if there is a way to "tag" a spec or RFE with "NFV" so that we can get a pulse on what is happening across all the openstack projects for a given release | 19:18 |
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| serverascode | that would make things easier for sure | 19:20 |
| serverascode | something someone would have to look into | 19:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | serverascode: maintain a wiki is not an answer :) I can take action item to go look for one | 19:21 |
| serverascode | so look for some kind of tag or possibility of tags? | 19:21 |
| serverascode | something like that? | 19:21 |
| sridhar_ram | serverascode: yes | 19:21 |
| serverascode | #action sridhar_ram look into some kind of NFV related tag for specs and RFEs | 19:22 |
| serverascode | cool thanks! | 19:22 |
| serverascode | ok moving on I suppose | 19:22 |
| serverascode | #topic OPNFV Summit Berlin 2016 | 19:22 |
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| serverascode | it looks like ALUvial is going | 19:23 |
| serverascode | I will also be there | 19:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'll be there as well.. | 19:23 |
| serverascode | ok cool -- I was wondering if there would be value in some kind of birds of a feather or some sort of meetup | 19:23 |
| serverascode | or whether the whole thing is that | 19:24 |
| ALUVial | yep. also one of my employees, but don't know his handle | 19:24 |
| serverascode | does anyone have experience working with OPNFV? I don't | 19:24 |
| serverascode | I'm not sure how we would setup a bof | 19:24 |
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| sridhar_ram | Kathy (from foundation mrkt team) is pulling together a design summit session on how to engage OpenStack projects better | 19:24 |
| serverascode | ok and that will be at the OPNFV summit? | 19:25 |
| ALUVial | Someone going to reach out to her | 19:26 |
| sridhar_ram | yep | 19:26 |
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| serverascode | ok, I could check into that unless someone else wants to | 19:26 |
| ALUVial | Kathy who? | 19:27 |
| sridhar_ram | I can loop you in to an ongoing email thread on this subject.. | 19:27 |
| serverascode | ok yeah that'd be great, I think it would be worthwhile for openstack operators to meetup at opnfv in some fashion | 19:27 |
| ALUVial | Kathy Cacciatore? | 19:28 |
| sridhar_ram | yep | 19:28 |
| sridhar_ram | ALUVial: yep | 19:28 |
| sridhar_ram | serverascode: +2, it will be great to have a session focused on operators... | 19:28 |
| sridhar_ram | the current session planned is more openstack project focused (nova, neutron, tacker, ...) | 19:29 |
| * sridhar_ram notes he is the PTL for Tacker | 19:29 | |
| serverascode | ah, ok nice :) | 19:29 |
| serverascode | ok so we will work on something for that | 19:30 |
| serverascode | #topic open discussion | 19:30 |
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| serverascode | anyone have any other thoughts or topics? | 19:30 |
| sridhar_ram | none at this time! | 19:30 |
| serverascode | if not we can end early | 19:30 |
| ALUVial | none here. | 19:30 |
| serverascode | ok, well thank you both for coming, we have some action items and I'm sure we'll get better attendance at future meetings | 19:31 |
| serverascode | #endmeeting | 19:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 19:31:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-06-01-19.00.html | 19:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-06-01-19.00.txt | 19:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-06-01-19.00.log.html | 19:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | serverascode: ALUVial: can you please PM your email ids ? I'll forward an email thread on OPNFV Summit session | 19:32 |
| serverascode | will do | 19:32 |
| ALUVial | done | 19:33 |
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| rockyg | no logwg meeting today | 20:02 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hi all, I'll start the user guide meeting in a few moments | 20:58 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 21:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hi, so who is here for the user guide meeting? | 21:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | Okay, looks like just me. No problems though | 21:03 |
| JRobinson__ | This will be a short meeting | 21:03 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic action items from last meeting | 21:03 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info contact development teams | 21:03 |
| JRobinson__ | #info discussed user guide items with the Magnum team. Some progress there | 21:03 |
| JRobinson__ | #info IA plan from last meeting still needs action. | 21:04 |
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| JRobinson__ | There are still consistency edits from the previous user guide plan for mitaka that need attention | 21:05 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic IA Plan | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IA Plan (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 21:05 | |
| JRobinson__ | I noted several editing points that could use some consistency during mitaka | 21:06 |
| JRobinson__ | as a result, the guide overall could use a consistency edit | 21:06 |
| JRobinson__ | if anyone has ideas or thoughts or things they have noticed that need a change, | 21:07 |
| JRobinson__ | #info send IA ideas to the docs mailing list or leave a comment on the user guide task list | 21:07 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides | 21:07 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic link changes | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "link changes (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 21:08 | |
| JRobinson__ | I still have some outstanding link changes to work on since the reorg | 21:08 |
| JRobinson__ | #action follow the codesearch results, and update the older specs, ops guide, and other repositories as needed | 21:08 |
| JRobinson__ | #link http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=docs.openstack.org%5C%2Fadmin-guide-cloud&i=nope&files=&repos= | 21:08 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic open discussion | 21:09 |
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| JRobinson__ | That is all for now. Anything else ? | 21:09 |
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| JRobinson__ | Alright, thanks all in channel. | 21:15 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 21:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 21:15:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-06-01-21.00.html | 21:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-06-01-21.00.txt | 21:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-06-01-21.00.log.html | 21:16 |
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| JRobinson__ | Morning all, I'm going to start the user guide meeting for the APAC region in about 5 minutes | 23:25 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 23:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 23:30:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hi all, It's time for the APAC user guide meeting. Who is here today? | 23:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | Okay, just me again. I'll summarize the points quickly | 23:34 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic action items from last meeting | 23:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Contact with Magnum team to start the process | 23:35 |
| JRobinson__ | #Working on an IA plan from the editing points brought up in mitaka still needs action | 23:35 |
| JRobinson__ | sorry, once again | 23:35 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Working on an IA plan from the editing points brought up in mitaka still needs action | 23:35 |
| JRobinson__ | #info If anyone has further thoughts for IA changes to the User Guides, You can contact me, the mailing list, or leave a comment on the user guide task list | 23:37 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides | 23:37 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic link changes | 23:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "link changes (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:38 | |
| JRobinson__ | I still have some outstanding link changes to work on since the reorg | 23:38 |
| JRobinson__ | #action follow the codesearch results, and update the older specs, ops guide, and other repositories as needed | 23:38 |
| JRobinson__ | #link http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=docs.openstack.org%5C%2Fadmin-guide-cloud&i=nope&files=&repos= | 23:38 |
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| JRobinson__ | ^this is an item I could use some help completing. These are edits to urls to match with the guide name changes. | 23:39 |
| JRobinson__ | follow the link to see the lsit | 23:39 |
| JRobinson__ | ^list | 23:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic open discussion | 23:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:39 | |
| JRobinson__ | If that's all, I'll end the meeting | 23:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | Alright, thanks all o/ | 23:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 23:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 23:43:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-06-01-23.30.html | 23:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-06-01-23.30.txt | 23:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-06-01-23.30.log.html | 23:43 |
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