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nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:59 |
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nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 14:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
kairat | o/ | 14:00 |
tsymanczyk | \o | 14:00 |
nikhil | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
bpoulos | o/ | 14:00 |
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mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
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wxy1 | o/ | 14:00 |
nikhil | welcome all | 14:00 |
nikhil | let's get started | 14:00 |
nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
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croelandt | o/ | 14:00 |
nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
dshakhray | o/ | 14:01 |
bunting | o/ | 14:01 |
nikhil | I have set up a few items on tuesday that struck me worth discussing , earlier in the week | 14:01 |
jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
nikhil | but we can substitute those items for anything more important that comes up | 14:01 |
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nikhil | #topic Updates | 14:01 |
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nikhil | #info Glare updates ( mfedosin ) | 14:02 |
mfedosin | hey! | 14:02 |
mfedosin | so, we're testing Glare | 14:02 |
mfedosin | it seems, like all things are done | 14:03 |
* nikhil hears great news, starts dancing | 14:03 | |
mfedosin | and next week we'll start preparing the code for review | 14:03 |
mfedosin | we're going to spend 3 days on that | 14:03 |
mfedosin | wed-fri | 14:03 |
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mfedosin | so, next Friday you'll be able to start reviewing it | 14:04 |
nikhil | great | 14:04 |
mfedosin | also, last week generics types were implemented | 14:04 |
* jokke_ orders beer & popcorn. Time to flex the -2 finger :P | 14:05 | |
mfedosin | and you can define dictionary property as Dict + element_type | 14:05 |
mfedosin | before you had to define your own type | 14:05 |
mfedosin | like DictOfStrings | 14:05 |
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nikhil | all this needs good documentation otherwise we will have problem of lack of shared understanding | 14:07 |
mfedosin | I got several comments on the spec | 14:07 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: so is this now the final experimental API or is this considered as stable? | 14:07 |
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mfedosin | jokke_: it will be experimental | 14:07 |
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mfedosin | initially | 14:07 |
jokke_ | Like Stable candidate :) | 14:07 |
mfedosin | rc1 if you want :) | 14:08 |
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mfedosin | after that we'll start integrating Glare in Murano and Heat | 14:08 |
mfedosin | and if it requires (I hope not) we'll make changes based on their feedback | 14:09 |
mfedosin | I thinks that's all Glare updates | 14:10 |
nikhil | thanks | 14:10 |
nikhil | #info Nova v1, v2 (mfedosin, sudipto) | 14:10 |
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nikhil | I guess we are still waiting no reviews | 14:10 |
mfedosin | I finished porting Xenapi plugin | 14:10 |
mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324536/ | 14:10 |
mfedosin | and yeah - we're waiting for reviews | 14:11 |
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nikhil | ok, any blockers? | 14:12 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: that xenapi plugin was the last bit to provide them the functionality, right now it's just matter of reviews and merge? | 14:12 |
mfedosin | frankly speaking, we also have hyper-v | 14:12 |
mfedosin | and for some reason it fails several tests if v2 is enabled | 14:12 |
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mfedosin | I hope I'll fix'em today, based on logs | 14:13 |
mfedosin | other things work pretty fine | 14:13 |
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nikhil | Thanks mfedosin | 14:13 |
jokke_ | nnice | 14:13 |
nikhil | Let's make sure we sync with nova team upcoming monday | 14:13 |
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mfedosin | jokke_: (they did in February) | 14:14 |
nikhil | their target was mid-june and many reviews are ready for review | 14:14 |
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nikhil | mfedosin: great, any more updates? | 14:15 |
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mfedosin | nope :) | 14:15 |
nikhil | Thanks again | 14:15 |
nikhil | #topic Releases (nikhil) | 14:15 |
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mfedosin | welcome | 14:15 |
nikhil | so, newton-1 is released | 14:15 |
nikhil | #info glance newton-1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323533/1 | 14:15 |
nikhil | #info I plan to propose a client and store release later this week | 14:16 |
nikhil | but release team is reluctant on releasing those in the later half of the week so we cannot expect them to be out until early next. | 14:16 |
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jokke_ | ++ | 14:16 |
jokke_ | never good idea to release at Fri | 14:16 |
nikhil | :) | 14:17 |
nikhil | newton-2 has begun | 14:17 |
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nikhil | so, let's make sure out important specs, esp. lite-specs are done in this timeframe | 14:17 |
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nikhil | if something is slow, feel free to flag the author that it is so | 14:17 |
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nikhil | same goes for reviews, if there's -1 for long time (>1 week) please feel free to ping the reviewer and move on if no response | 14:18 |
nikhil | that's it on releases | 14:18 |
nikhil | #topic Announcements (nikhil) | 14:18 |
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nikhil | #info annoucement/poll for virtual mid: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096180.html | 14:18 |
nikhil | I got one response back on the email about them attending | 14:19 |
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nikhil | rest of you please say either +1, 0, -1 | 14:19 |
nikhil | by default your vote goes as +1 | 14:19 |
nikhil | Also, note: | 14:19 |
nikhil | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096175.html | 14:19 |
nikhil | our soft freeze is due soon | 14:19 |
nikhil | I've posted comments on the glance-specs indicating to the author about the dates | 14:20 |
nikhil | if there are new specs and you think authors may be unaware then feel free to add the comment indicating the same | 14:20 |
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nikhil | that's it here | 14:21 |
nikhil | #topic Lite-specs final discussion for newton (nikhil) | 14:21 |
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nikhil | So, i wanted to finalize the process this week | 14:22 |
nikhil | We have one lite spec merged | 14:22 |
nikhil | but I can move that as required | 14:22 |
nikhil | I had some feedback from hemanth and jokke_ | 14:23 |
nikhil | but if there are no serious issues, I can either talk to flaper87 and get this resolved | 14:23 |
nikhil | if you have opinion please add a comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315339/ | 14:24 |
nikhil | basically, a few things are important: | 14:24 |
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jokke_ | 'm still against of turning the process around in the middle of the cycle | 14:24 |
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nikhil | 1. we need a way to restrict lite-specs a few weeks before newton-3 | 14:24 |
nikhil | jokke_: currently there's no process | 14:24 |
nikhil | and the email I sent to ML was the indication of process | 14:25 |
nikhil | (I am sort of disapppointed about all the issues not raised then and delay already) | 14:25 |
nikhil | So, this is the last week and I will ninja approach otherwise | 14:26 |
nikhil | thanks | 14:26 |
mfedosin | sorry for dumb question... what's the difference between lite-specs and release notes? | 14:26 |
nikhil | good stuff for documentation | 14:26 |
nikhil | (third time, this is being asked) | 14:27 |
nikhil | mfedosin: refer this for initial feedback http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-05-14.00.log.html#l-48 | 14:27 |
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mfedosin | it was semi-rhetorical question :) | 14:27 |
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nikhil | mfedosin: then it's not a dumb question in the first place | 14:28 |
nikhil | mfedosin: if you WANT TO KNOW MORE read up the need for lite-spec here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-19-14.00.log.html#l-155 | 14:28 |
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nikhil | #topic Specs | 14:29 |
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mfedosin | nikhil: gotcha thanks | 14:29 |
nikhil | #info Upgrades & registry | 14:29 |
nikhil | unfortunately, a lot of this discussion is happening without all stakeholders participating | 14:29 |
nikhil | again something I may ninja approve if people give last minute -1s, -2s | 14:30 |
nikhil | good place to refer: | 14:30 |
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nikhil | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299726/ | 14:30 |
nikhil | https://review.openstack.org/322712 | 14:30 |
mfedosin | nikhil: but we can't deprecate registry, while glance v1 is still supported | 14:31 |
nikhil | We need the right story to guide us to either deprecate the registry or tell us if we can asset tag for rolling upgrade or what more needs done. | 14:31 |
nikhil | Hemanth mentioned he was working on the research -- what other projects are doing in openstack. That may help. | 14:32 |
nikhil | But a lot of the upgrade stories are subjective to the deployments, something that I may bring up in the ops sync next week (if that happens). | 14:32 |
* jokke_ agrees with flaper87 that us keeping registry and having rolling upgrade has no common factor | 14:32 | |
nikhil | jokke_: then you are welcome to give the detailed feedback on the above review (299726) indicating why. Michal seems to indicate the need for conductor like service or I may have mis-interpret that. Either way, shared understanding should be our goal. | 14:34 |
jokke_ | we need implement any plans for rolling upgrades for API-db communications anyways as that's supported model in v2 and apprently the more used one | 14:34 |
nikhil | I do not find that as enough indicator to take the decision either way. | 14:35 |
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nikhil | We need the How-s, Why-s and What-s on upgrades. | 14:35 |
nikhil | #info glance_store & image_props | 14:35 |
nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/323260 | 14:36 |
nikhil | There's something holding me back on -2 such proposals... and that is I care about our volumes-stakeholders | 14:37 |
nikhil | if you represent one of that groups, please provide feedback ASAP, | 14:37 |
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nikhil | there's only a little time in newton to accept any more proposals and if they are conceptual changes, there's not enough bandwidth to do the research. | 14:38 |
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nikhil | I'm assuming there's no feedback here. | 14:38 |
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nikhil | moving on | 14:38 |
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nikhil | #info Race conditions on properties: good-s vs. bad-s | 14:39 |
nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315483/ | 14:39 |
nikhil | SO, there are two things in that spec | 14:39 |
mfedosin | dshakhray: it's yours :) | 14:39 |
nikhil | #1. the scope of transactional semantics are not defined | 14:39 |
nikhil | that's the reason why a straight away -1 from Jay | 14:39 |
nikhil | for example, the transaction layer won't help with race conditions when: | 14:40 |
nikhil | a) there are 1M PATCH requests | 14:40 |
mfedosin | why? | 14:40 |
nikhil | b) there are 100K PATCH requests | 14:40 |
nikhil | c) may be in some cases there are 1k PATCH requests | 14:40 |
nikhil | that include C, U & D operations | 14:41 |
nikhil | the input for each of these request is consistent | 14:41 |
nikhil | but the output will always be variable because the atomiticity is built in the DB layer | 14:41 |
nikhil | and the transaction layer is merely isolating two separate calls and does not gurantee the sequence of them | 14:41 |
nikhil | so, we have to use the work 'transaction' carefully | 14:42 |
kairat | So | 14:42 |
mfedosin | nikhil: but do we need this gurantee? | 14:42 |
nikhil | ^ | 14:42 |
kairat | That's REST) | 14:42 |
nikhil | word* | 14:42 |
mfedosin | no, I mean if two users want to update name at one time... | 14:42 |
nikhil | and pythong | 14:42 |
nikhil | python* | 14:43 |
mfedosin | they both send request, one updates first, another is second | 14:43 |
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mfedosin | the second user just rewrites first value | 14:43 |
nikhil | yep, the sequence of those calls is not transactional | 14:44 |
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nikhil | that has more than one element to it 1. eventlet 2. python 3. REST ... | 14:44 |
mfedosin | nikhil: I think we need to talk more on that matter | 14:44 |
jokke_ | so as long as we don't implement locks and start to be really bitchy about this, we will never get rid of all races | 14:45 |
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nikhil | jokke_: correct | 14:45 |
jokke_ | but what dshakhray and mfedosin are proposing at least limits the scope quite a bit | 14:45 |
kairat | It at least guarantees what only changes will be applied to db | 14:45 |
kairat | and nothing more | 14:45 |
jokke_ | it limits the scope of the races only to the same keys that has been changed in multiple places | 14:45 |
mfedosin | jokke_: and also optimizes db insertions | 14:46 |
nikhil | sure, that the point #2. limit the transactional gurantee of that layer | 14:46 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: that's database voodoo for me :P | 14:46 |
nikhil | Let's not call it transactional layer | 14:46 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: but I do understand the logic of updating only changes, not the whole state+changes when the change started | 14:46 |
nikhil | because there's a lot more to transactions than just preventing isolation from two separate API calls | 14:47 |
mfedosin | nikhil: how do you prefer to call it? | 14:47 |
jokke_ | Blue | 14:47 |
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jokke_ | Purple would do as well, but definitely not yellow | 14:47 |
nikhil | it can be isolation layer or may be something along that lines | 14:48 |
mfedosin | nikhil: okay, we'll think about it | 14:48 |
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nikhil | mfedosin: this is my feedback to help prevent -1 from the experts like Jay (who is right on target there) | 14:48 |
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nikhil | also, I wanted to bring this up as mfedosin mentioned to me that this spec is related to the academic completion for dshakhray | 14:49 |
jokke_ | nikhil: are we talking about the same thing? | 14:49 |
nikhil | so early feedback to her will only help | 14:49 |
jokke_ | Only comment I see from Jay is just preventing updates during saving | 14:49 |
jokke_ | as alternative | 14:49 |
mfedosin | Jay wants to deprecate any image updates if status is saving | 14:50 |
mfedosin | I think it's not a good solution | 14:50 |
nikhil | jokke_ there is some email that mentions about not writing transcations in python | 14:50 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: ++ | 14:50 |
kairat | it is not compatible | 14:51 |
nikhil | v1 and v2 do not need to be compatible | 14:51 |
nikhil | (fyi) | 14:51 |
jokke_ | nikhil: ++ that's why it's called Major version change :D | 14:51 |
nikhil | ;) | 14:52 |
nikhil | anyway, we can continue this in open discussion. but I want to give others a chance to ask questions.. | 14:52 |
nikhil | #topic open discussion | 14:52 |
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jokke_ | mut I still don't think it's a fgood idea | 14:52 |
nikhil | I never said good or bad about it | 14:52 |
nikhil | (specifically) | 14:52 |
mfedosin | thanks for feedback | 14:52 |
kairat | nikhil, I was not talking about v1 and v2 | 14:52 |
mfedosin | Darja will update the spec soon :) | 14:53 |
kairat | but | 14:53 |
kairat | let's move discussion to spec | 14:53 |
kairat | How about expiring old bugs | 14:53 |
kairat | in glance? | 14:53 |
nikhil | kairat: yeah, I get it. I (too) mentioned it's not backwards compat. | 14:53 |
nikhil | kairat: oh heck yes! | 14:53 |
nikhil | let's get a bug day going ? | 14:54 |
mfedosin | so, today I mentioned that hyper-v doesn't work with v2... I found the reason | 14:54 |
kairat | Previsouslu I periodically reviewed bugs | 14:54 |
nikhil | June 13th? | 14:54 |
kairat | We can do that | 14:55 |
mfedosin | in v1 we have purge_props flag, that removes all unspecified properties and it's True by default https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/image/glance.py#L413 | 14:55 |
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kairat | but I was talking about solution like this: [openstack-dev] [nova] I'm going to expire open bug reports older than 18 months. | 14:55 |
kairat | WDYT? | 14:55 |
nikhil | #startvote Would you like Glance to have bug day on June 13, 2016? (yes, no, maybe) | 14:56 |
openstack | Begin voting on: Would you like Glance to have bug day on June 13, 2016? Valid vote options are , yes, no, maybe, . | 14:56 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:56 |
mfedosin | but if we provide properties as empty dict, then this flag is ignored. Hyper-v use this feature (or bug) | 14:56 |
nikhil | #vote yes | 14:56 |
mfedosin | #vote yes | 14:56 |
bunting | #vote yes | 14:56 |
kairat | June 13 is holiday in Russia | 14:56 |
kairat | mfedosin, ^ | 14:56 |
tsymanczyk | #vote yes | 14:56 |
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kairat | Ok, will try also | 14:57 |
kairat | #vote yes | 14:57 |
nikhil | We can try June 13 and 14 | 14:57 |
jokke_ | #vote maybe | 14:57 |
nikhil | and we can let people choose | 14:57 |
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mfedosin | kairat: ouch | 14:57 |
nikhil | it's not like people are co-located | 14:57 |
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nikhil | #endvote | 14:57 |
openstack | Voted on "Would you like Glance to have bug day on June 13, 2016?" Results are | 14:57 |
openstack | maybe (1): jokke_ | 14:57 |
openstack | yes (5): bunting, mfedosin, nikhil, kairat, tsymanczyk | 14:57 |
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nikhil | kairat: I think that's a good idea in general. I am curious who would like to maintain that process? | 14:58 |
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nikhil | kairat: Can we assume you will have b/w to do that over time? or are you suggesting one time thing? | 14:58 |
kairat | Ok, I will try to lead that next week | 14:58 |
jokke_ | perhaps we need liaison or workgroup for that :P | 14:58 |
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kairat | I suggest to clean it first | 14:59 |
nikhil | we've shortage of people already | 14:59 |
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bunting | I think on the bug days, its probably worth having a etherpad with priorities | 14:59 |
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nikhil | kairat: To be 'really' honest, what we need a clean up of specs more than of old bugs | 14:59 |
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nikhil | at least for the next couple of weeks | 14:59 |
jokke_ | nikhil: IIRC the original proposal for nova was including scripting that talks with the LP api and does it, not manual labor | 14:59 |
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nikhil | ok | 15:00 |
kairat | jokke_, yep, that's good option | 15:00 |
kairat | no manual work | 15:00 |
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nikhil | Let's discuss that a bit more on -glance | 15:00 |
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nikhil | we're out of time today | 15:00 |
kairat | Ok, thanks | 15:01 |
jokke_ | thanks all | 15:01 |
nikhil | I'm available to chat on -glance for a bit for any outstanding questions from this meeting | 15:01 |
nikhil | Thanks all. | 15:01 |
nikhil | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 15:01:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-06-02-14.00.html | 15:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-06-02-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
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TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 15:01:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
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david-lyle | o/ | 15:01 |
Kevin_Zheng | \o/ | 15:01 |
sjmc7 | o/ | 15:01 |
RickA-HP | o/ | 15:02 |
lei-zh | o/ | 15:02 |
TravT | how is everybody today? | 15:02 |
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sjmc7 | sunny | 15:02 |
RickA-HP | Fine, thanks for joining us from Florida! | 15:02 |
TravT | sure... i am technically on vacation right now | 15:03 |
TravT | but couldn't get the kids moving this morning | 15:03 |
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TravT | so, figured i might as well join the fun here | 15:03 |
TravT | anyway | 15:03 |
TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
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TravT | not much on the agenda list today | 15:03 |
TravT | #topic newton-1 milestone | 15:03 |
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TravT | We have hit the newton 1 milestone. | 15:04 |
TravT | i submitted the tag requests for searchlight ui and searchlight last night | 15:04 |
TravT | Doug approved them through. | 15:04 |
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sjmc7 | yeah, i got the release email spam | 15:04 |
TravT | as we had previously discussed, we are targeting 1.0 this time. | 15:04 |
TravT | seeing how this is actually our 4th release, seems about time | 15:05 |
TravT | i didn't submit a release request for the client. | 15:05 |
TravT | that is release independent anyway | 15:05 |
TravT | i don't believe there are any huge changes needing to be released | 15:05 |
sjmc7 | nope | 15:06 |
TravT | for searchlight UI, it is worth noting that it is not backwards compatible with mitaka horizon | 15:06 |
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TravT | but this is due to changes in upstream horizon | 15:06 |
sjmc7 | i think that’s true for most horizon plugins | 15:06 |
TravT | yeah, i think so | 15:06 |
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TravT | okay, well, milestone 1 is mostly a non-event | 15:07 |
TravT | just a marker in time. | 15:07 |
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TravT | but it is a good time to talk about where we are in the release | 15:07 |
TravT | #topic open reviews | 15:07 |
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TravT | coming out of the summit | 15:08 |
TravT | we had really established a couple of primary goals | 15:08 |
TravT | 1) production readiness | 15:08 |
TravT | 2) improved notifications (related to above) | 15:08 |
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TravT | 3) supporting nova fully | 15:09 |
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Kevin_Zheng | Cool | 15:09 |
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TravT | In addition, we would like to bring in the pipeline architecture early in the cycle if it is coming in. | 15:09 |
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TravT | I think we have made good progress on 1. The zero downtime indexing has gone well. A few more BPs are open | 15:10 |
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TravT | The notifications have been improved or are in progress | 15:10 |
TravT | ES 2.x seems to be fully supported now | 15:11 |
sjmc7 | yeah, though still some room to improve | 15:11 |
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sjmc7 | yes, i think es2 is fully supported. we’ll try to move the CI jobs to it | 15:11 |
TravT | Yeah, that'll be great | 15:11 |
sjmc7 | and then devstack, though that will be harder | 15:11 |
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lei-zh | cool, will upgrade my dev environment to use 2.x | 15:11 |
RickA-HP | Does Searchlight recommend any version of ES (1.* vs 2.)? | 15:12 |
sjmc7 | RickA-HP: 1.7 for mitaka | 15:12 |
sjmc7 | though we should be compatible with both | 15:12 |
sjmc7 | we haven’t used any 2.x-only features, nor relied on any 1.x ones that have been removed | 15:12 |
TravT | The primary reason to recommend 2.x is that ES is trying to push people in that direction | 15:13 |
TravT | We don't have a formal statement of ES support though | 15:13 |
TravT | It wouldn't hurt to document it. | 15:14 |
RickA-HP | I'm wondering if I should upgrade my dev env to 2.*, or stay at 1.7 to help verify that 1.7 stays working. | 15:14 |
TravT | I have both setup | 15:14 |
TravT | my devstack is 1.7.something | 15:14 |
sjmc7 | yeah, i use both | 15:14 |
RickA-HP | Death by combinatorics! | 15:14 |
TravT | and my local setup (non devstack) has es 2.x and 1.x. Just depends on which one I decide to turn on. | 15:15 |
TravT | I think it would be good to push towards 2.x | 15:15 |
TravT | maybe we can even get openstack to agree to a deprecation of 1.x | 15:15 |
TravT | sjmc7 had sent out an email on that early in newton, with limited response | 15:15 |
sjmc7 | ceilometer team said “give it a go and see what breaks” :) | 15:16 |
TravT | yeah, we should really push for that devstack change now | 15:16 |
TravT | so that teams have time to address issues. | 15:16 |
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TravT | is anybody already signed up to do that? | 15:17 |
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sjmc7 | i guess i can give it a go | 15:18 |
TravT | ok, maybe it won't be too hard. just submit the change to the script. | 15:18 |
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TravT | we have a few specs to review | 15:19 |
TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/searchlight-specs+status:open | 15:19 |
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TravT | Kevin_Zheng: I added a comment on the server groups one this morning. | 15:20 |
Kevin_Zheng | Yeah, thanks I just saw it | 15:21 |
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Kevin_Zheng | Will update tomorrow | 15:22 |
TravT | sounds good | 15:22 |
TravT | just in case you didn't see it before, here is a plugin authoring guide: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/searchlight/authoring-plugins.html | 15:23 |
Kevin_Zheng | Ah, thanks | 15:23 |
TravT | might be helpful to you | 15:23 |
Kevin_Zheng | Yes looks really useful | 15:24 |
Kevin_Zheng | Thanks a lot | 15:24 |
TravT | thank sjmc7 for most of it. | 15:24 |
TravT | he did a nice job on writing it up | 15:24 |
sjmc7 | aww, shucks | 15:24 |
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Kevin_Zheng | Really cool | 15:25 |
TravT | lei-zh: looks like you just addressed feedback on the pipeline spec | 15:25 |
TravT | i probably won't be able to look until next week (still on vacation). | 15:25 |
TravT | but if others can please take a look as well | 15:25 |
sjmc7 | i’ll take another look | 15:26 |
sjmc7 | think it’s mostly done | 15:26 |
lei-zh | yes, I konw it's a difficult one, comments and concerns are welcome | 15:26 |
TravT | I think we are all still conceptually alligned | 15:26 |
TravT | and the difficult part will be the code... ;) | 15:27 |
lei-zh | sure, it requires lots of work : ) | 15:28 |
TravT | let's plan on doing a formal BP review for priority, etc in a couple weeks. | 15:29 |
TravT | see if there are things that need to be bumped out. | 15:29 |
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TravT | are there any BP's anybody wants to bring up now? | 15:29 |
sjmc7 | don’t think so | 15:30 |
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sjmc7 | most of the high priority ones are either underway or for new plugins that folks are working on | 15:30 |
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TravT | ok | 15:31 |
sjmc7 | we’re waiting on upstream changes for some stuff | 15:31 |
sjmc7 | like some of the neutron ports, cinder backups | 15:31 |
TravT | yes, anything we need to / can do to help those along? | 15:31 |
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lei-zh | is the ironic plugin also waiting for notifications to be implemented | 15:32 |
sjmc7 | i’m still not really sure of the etiquette around asking for changes in other projects | 15:32 |
TravT | well, yes and no. | 15:32 |
TravT | ironic "instances" all will be available via nova. | 15:33 |
sjmc7 | i guess the obvious answer is “submit patches” but a lot of the code is pretty opaque to just waltz into | 15:33 |
TravT | but i'm wondering if we need to do something to detect the difference between ironic and vm instances and show as a different resource type | 15:33 |
sjmc7 | does nova know? | 15:34 |
TravT | i don't know? | 15:34 |
sjmc7 | sorry, does nova make that apparently to a user | 15:34 |
TravT | lei-zh: ironic is working on more notifications | 15:34 |
TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1526408 | 15:34 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1526408 in Ironic "[RFE] Add notification support to ironic" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Mario Villaplana (mario-villaplana-j) | 15:34 |
TravT | and at the summit 3 folks from ironic came to our session and told us to comment on the patches | 15:35 |
TravT | to make sure we get what we need | 15:35 |
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lei-zh | seems it's still under work | 15:36 |
TravT | if you or anybody knows enough about ironic to comment on their notifications, it wouldn't hurt. | 15:36 |
TravT | i think the same message we give to all the teams. | 15:36 |
TravT | please give out all data you'd want to be indexed via notification | 15:36 |
TravT | we don't want to do any callbacks | 15:37 |
Kevin_Zheng | Sure | 15:37 |
lei-zh | yeah, I'll try to find someone to have a look | 15:38 |
TravT | lei-zh: thanks! | 15:38 |
lei-zh | you are welcome :) | 15:38 |
TravT | okay, well, is there anything else that people would like to discuss today? | 15:39 |
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sjmc7 | nope | 15:40 |
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TravT | i assume some of our friends here would like to get to sleep tonight. | 15:40 |
TravT | thanks everybody! | 15:40 |
Kevin_Zheng | Thanks | 15:41 |
lei-zh | thanks, bye | 15:41 |
TravT | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 15:41:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-06-02-15.01.html | 15:41 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-06-02-15.01.txt | 15:41 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-06-02-15.01.log.html | 15:41 |
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mhayden | meeting about to start in #openstack-meeting-4: cloudnull, mattt, andymccr, d34dh0r53, hughsaunders, b3rnard0, palendae, Sam-I-Am, odyssey4me, serverascode, rromans, erikmwilson, mancdaz, _shaps_, BjoernT, claco, echiu, dstanek, jwagner, ayoung, prometheanfire, evrardjp, arbrandes, mhayden, scarlisle, luckyinva, ntt, javeriak, automagically, spotz, vdo, jmccrory, alextricity25, jasondotstar, | 15:59 |
mhayden | KLevenstein, admin0, michaelgugino, ametts, v1k0d3n, severion, bgmccollum, darrenc, JRobinson__, asettle, colinmcnamara | 15:59 |
mhayden | oops, wrong channel | 15:59 |
cloudnull | ha! | 15:59 |
cloudnull | o/ | 15:59 |
cloudnull | :) | 15:59 |
spotz | hehehe | 15:59 |
spotz | \o/ | 15:59 |
hughsaunders | mhayden: better to have the ping in this channel :) | 15:59 |
mhayden | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 15:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 15:59:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mhayden. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
rromans | mhayden: HERE | 15:59 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:00 |
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mhayden | #topic Rollcall & agenda | 16:00 |
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odyssey4me | o/ | 16:00 |
rromans | \o | 16:00 |
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spotz | \o/ | 16:00 |
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mhayden | in case anyone needs a link, the agenda is here -> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:00 |
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automagically | o/ | 16:00 |
evrardjp | o/ | 16:00 |
ametts | o/ | 16:00 |
keekz | o/ | 16:00 |
antonym | o/ | 16:00 |
mhayden | 𝘩𝘰𝘸𝘥𝘺 | 16:01 |
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cloudnull | yo | 16:01 |
andymccr | o/ | 16:01 |
phil_h | Hello | 16:01 |
* mhayden gives it one more minute | 16:02 | |
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jmccrory_ | o/ | 16:02 |
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mhayden | okay, so let's do the thing :) | 16:03 |
mhayden | #topic Review action items | 16:03 |
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asettle | \o/ | 16:03 |
mhayden | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-26-16.00.html | 16:03 |
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mhayden | automagically: you were going to think about potential dates for hosting the midcycle? | 16:03 |
mhayden | and odyssey4me was going to talk about possibly hosting at Rackspace's HQ in San Antonio, along with dates | 16:04 |
mhayden | so i guess this is a general midcycle discussion here :) | 16:04 |
odyssey4me | mhayden my bad, I haven't managed to do the queries for dates and such | 16:04 |
automagically | Yes, we could host 60 from 8/29-31 if thats of interest | 16:05 |
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odyssey4me | I marked it as an action item for me in the absense of other volunteers - if anyone wants to take over that aciton item I'd be happy to release it | 16:05 |
automagically | I have the space reserved temporarily, and would like to know if we want to use it in the next two weeks | 16:05 |
mhayden | odyssey4me: we had the security midcycle here last year and may have it here again -- i can ask someone who is working on that one | 16:05 |
odyssey4me | automagically wow, 60 is a lot... we'd likely only need room for 10-20, max 30 at a push | 16:05 |
mhayden | automagically: and yours is in Pennsylvania? | 16:06 |
automagically | Yes, downtown Phildelphia in the Comcast HQ | 16:06 |
mhayden | #info automagically has room for 60 people August 29-31 in Philadelphia at Comcast's HQ | 16:06 |
odyssey4me | it would be nice to have it hosted somewhere that's not SAT :) | 16:06 |
odyssey4me | for a change | 16:06 |
mhayden | we are having some wild weather as of late ... | 16:06 |
mhayden | should we get some Rackspace options as well and decide on this next week? | 16:07 |
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odyssey4me | well, at the very least each of the core team members and any others who want to attend will need to validate whether they can get budget for a trip | 16:08 |
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odyssey4me | jmccrory automagically cloudnull d34dh0r53 stevelle mattt hughsaunders andymccr mhayden ^ | 16:08 |
mhayden | quite true | 16:08 |
odyssey4me | so we have a proposed date and venue, so now we get to work on figuring out who can make it and whether that'll be suitable | 16:08 |
mhayden | so it sounds like two actions: 1) get options on space at Rackspace and 2) determine who could travel to Philadelphia and/or San Antonio | 16:08 |
odyssey4me | yes | 16:09 |
mhayden | #action mhayden and odyssey4me to find out about Rackspace hosting options for midcycles | 16:09 |
odyssey4me | are we happy with a three day format? | 16:09 |
cloudnull | mhayden automagically: ++ | 16:09 |
andymccr | i think 3 days is good. | 16:09 |
automagically | I’m good with 2 days | 16:09 |
mhayden | #action All community members should determine if they can get budget to travel to San Antonio or Philadelphia | 16:09 |
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automagically | 3 days rather | 16:09 |
d34dh0r53 | +1 on 3 days | 16:09 |
cloudnull | I think i can swing a philly trip | 16:09 |
mhayden | +1 on 3 | 16:09 |
mhayden | sounds like we're in agreement on 3 days? any objections? | 16:09 |
cloudnull | +1 on 3 and ! SAT | 16:10 |
odyssey4me | nope, looks good to me - probably worth noting as an info item | 16:10 |
mhayden | #agreed OSA midcycle should be 3 days long | 16:10 |
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mhayden | okay, are we good with this topic for now? | 16:10 |
automagically | AFK for a few | 16:10 |
mhayden | automagically: thanks for checking on space at Comcast! :) | 16:10 |
evrardjp | thanks indeed | 16:10 |
mhayden | next item is andymccr's repository -> https://github.com/andymcc/openstack-ansible-testing-core | 16:11 |
mhayden | the action from last week was to review it and ideally test | 16:11 |
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evrardjp | I didn't test it :/ | 16:11 |
evrardjp | I read it | 16:11 |
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mhayden | i've looked over it but haven't tested it quite yet | 16:11 |
evrardjp | looks a good start | 16:11 |
mhayden | #link https://github.com/andymcc/openstack-ansible-testing-core | 16:12 |
andymccr | i tested it! :D but evrardjp had some additional ideas to try - would be good to get more feedback and ideas to improve/change/scrap | 16:12 |
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mhayden | would someone like to volunteer to give it a test (besides andymccr) :) | 16:12 |
stevelle | I'm somewhat uncomfortable with the test vars being in a different repo for each role | 16:12 |
stevelle | that seems like a maintenance headache | 16:12 |
odyssey4me | I unfortunately haven't had the chance to give it a thorough look through. | 16:12 |
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andymccr | stevelle: the vars are the same for each repo - the problem mostly is that we are duplicating the same sets of vars for each repo that uses a set role (e.g. keystone is common, or galera) | 16:13 |
odyssey4me | stevelle as I understood it from discussions with andymccr the test vars there are just a base which can be overridden by the role tests | 16:13 |
evrardjp | this is a first iteration, I guess we could indeed have a more integrated view? | 16:13 |
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andymccr | but yeh they can be overridden. | 16:13 |
jmccrory | i tested the glance role, worked well. just ran into small issue with clone command of test playbooks in tox.ini | 16:13 |
stevelle | andymccr: my concern is that the test vars are not in the role repo. When the role changes and requires var changes it has an order of operations issue that will cause extra review traffic and challenging coordination of them | 16:14 |
odyssey4me | so we have the option of doing a full set of transition reviews to switch over to using this method, and trying it out for a while - we can always import the repo later | 16:14 |
stevelle | I fear the same for the tasks | 16:14 |
andymccr | stevelle: thats one of the main benefits though - because the vars are specific to one repo | 16:14 |
andymccr | whereas before if you changed a keystone var (for example) you would have to go into every other repo and change the var there --> 15 changes | 16:15 |
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andymccr | you mean, id have to change the test repo before changing keystone in order to pass it? | 16:16 |
evrardjp | you want to set vars in the inventory only in this, this way we can override inside the roles? | 16:16 |
stevelle | andymccr: that is some of the concern yes | 16:16 |
automagically | back | 16:17 |
andymccr | stevelle: sure i guess its a trade off between that and having to manage 15 repo changes due to 1 change on a common repo. | 16:17 |
andymccr | but if there is a good way to get hte best of both! i'd prefer that. | 16:17 |
stevelle | we already have this coordination issue when we removed db create from the roles into the playbooks, it involves lots of extra steps | 16:17 |
automagically | I read through it and I like it | 16:17 |
automagically | I didn’t think I would, but I do. Nice work andymccr | 16:17 |
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mhayden | would anyone be able to volunteer to test on it and help andymccr iterate? | 16:18 |
evrardjp | fine for me | 16:18 |
stevelle | If we can smooth that one point of friction I would be enthusiastic, other than that friction point this is really good. | 16:18 |
evrardjp | lacking time 'though | 16:18 |
odyssey4me | yeah, I'd ideally like another core at least to spend some quality time testing it out - and as evrardjp has good context with Ansible outside of OSA I think it'd be valuable for him to also test and help iterate | 16:19 |
mhayden | should we get a writeup about this repo along with its purpose out to the ML and ask for volunteers? | 16:19 |
mhayden | that would help me understand the goals | 16:19 |
evrardjp | yeah sure odyssey4me I'll help, don't worry :D | 16:19 |
automagically | That would be good. A specific call out of stevelle concerns would help contextualize | 16:19 |
asettle | Happy to help with the write-up. IF that's what's needed. | 16:19 |
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mhayden | asettle: could you and andymccr work on an email to the ML? | 16:20 |
asettle | \o/ team ginger on the job | 16:20 |
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jmccrory | i'll be out most of next week, but happy to help test as well | 16:20 |
asettle | Wow I just got massive stink eye from andymccr | 16:20 |
andymccr | ok. will get that done tomorrow | 16:20 |
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automagically | haha ‘team ginger' | 16:20 |
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mhayden | #action asettle and andymccr to send out an email to the mailing list about the testing repository | 16:20 |
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mhayden | are we good to move on out of action items? | 16:20 |
andymccr | i think so! | 16:20 |
asettle | andymccr just wants to run from team ginger | 16:21 |
mhayden | asettle requested a little time earlier in the meeting since she needs to leav early, so i'll skip around here a little | 16:21 |
mhayden | #topic OSA Installation Guide restructure | 16:21 |
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mhayden | asettle: you're up! | 16:21 |
asettle | Thanks mhayden | 16:21 |
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asettle | Hey everybody! | 16:21 |
asettle | As some of you may know, we're focusing our efforts after the summit to rework the installation guide | 16:21 |
asettle | I've proposed a blueprint, and a subsequent spec with detailed information on how we're goin to do this | 16:21 |
* mhayden is really pleased about these efforts :) | 16:21 | |
asettle | I"m working alongside Darren Chan, who was at the summit and many of you met. His IA (information architecture) experience is assisting me in coming up with a new ToC | 16:22 |
asettle | I'd appreciate a community review of the spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323471/ | 16:22 |
mhayden | #link asettle's spec -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323471/ | 16:22 |
asettle | We're looking to clarify a few points to ensure the community is happy with the output | 16:22 |
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asettle | We need clarification on is whether we are simply documenting installation for a test environment and production environment | 16:22 |
asettle | And we've had a few conflicting suggestions that we also need to include examples and configs for role based documentation | 16:23 |
asettle | We're looking to get this spec approved asap, but we want to ensure everyone is on the same page | 16:23 |
asettle | If this makes sense | 16:23 |
asettle | The spec is still in WIP stage, but I will be removing that tag shortly and opening it up for full reviews. | 16:23 |
asettle | I'd like to have this approved within the next two weeks to get started on it | 16:23 |
asettle | Questions, comments, concerns? | 16:23 |
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odyssey4me | yeah, all agreeing on the end goal is important | 16:23 |
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mhayden | thanks for doing this -- it should make it easier for new deployers to get through the manual and use opinionated defaults | 16:24 |
automagically | My commentary about the role docs is just that as we move a lot of config-specific doc out of the main guide, I want to make sure that it doesn’t just get removed, but rather ends up in the role-specific docs | 16:24 |
odyssey4me | this is going to be quite disruptive and can be easily misunderstood, so I'd like to ensure we're all agreed on the way it'll look at the end | 16:24 |
asettle | Very much so. I believe we have so far included everyone's thoughts and opinions from the summit, but please speak up if you feel like something else is required or missing | 16:24 |
mhayden | chapter four of the install guide currently hurts! :) | 16:24 |
automagically | I’m all for the re-orig | 16:24 |
automagically | re-org, rather | 16:24 |
asettle | automagically: yeah absolutely | 16:24 |
asettle | odyssey4me: yes, definitely. | 16:24 |
automagically | asettle: Great | 16:25 |
asettle | Does anyone have any immediate concerns? | 16:25 |
mhayden | none here | 16:25 |
evrardjp | none, if all the content is maintained | 16:25 |
odyssey4me | automagically yeah, I was thinking that step one would quite literally be a lift and shift of chapter 4 into the respective repositories | 16:25 |
palendae | I'd just echo automagically, making sure anything about roles is kept somewhere | 16:25 |
asettle | If not, please have a read through and comment. IF you'd prefer to talk directly to me, please just email me at alexandra.settle@rackspace.com | 16:25 |
evrardjp | whatever the way it is maintained | 16:25 |
mhayden | sounds good | 16:25 |
automagically | Will take another read through the proposed spec and add additional comments, but so far, I’m very supportive and happy to help however I can | 16:26 |
mhayden | okay, going back to discussion topics, we've covered the tests repo and the midcycle planning | 16:26 |
mhayden | so we're up to... | 16:26 |
asettle | palendae and automagically - to answer that properly, I believe there is a plan for it to be moved into a configuration guide, but that's in the future. In the immediate future moving it to the developer docs | 16:26 |
mhayden | #topic Astara | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | asettle everyone will need edit rights to see the comments and draft bits in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WdcA7jIp8w1C52pJu4JmympFe8cOvcxi1I2E19Y6XYE/edit | 16:26 |
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mhayden | phil_h: you're up | 16:26 |
mhayden | anything new for this week, phil_h? | 16:26 |
asettle | odyssey4me: I think it's best that that is just open for review at the moment. Otherwise we'll end up with a thousand different voices on a google doc when we should be concentrating our community efforts on the spec | 16:26 |
phil_h | yes, we have a blueprint up and a straw man in an etherpad | 16:26 |
phil_h | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/add-support-for-astara | 16:27 |
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phil_h | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/astara-openstack-ansible | 16:27 |
cloudnull | Nice! | 16:27 |
asettle | Okay, Alex out - tahnks everyone! | 16:27 |
mhayden | thanks, asettle | 16:27 |
evrardjp | thanks asettle | 16:27 |
phil_h | this is for adding a "chapter for astara" | 16:27 |
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phil_h | We will use PlumGrid as a model | 16:27 |
automagically | Cool, thanks for the etherpad and blueprint phil_h | 16:28 |
mhayden | would a deployer need to choose Astara *or* neutron's l3 agent? | 16:28 |
cloudnull | phil_h: very cool. | 16:28 |
phil_h | I am hoping that they could use astara for the loadbalancer | 16:28 |
phil_h | and neutron l3 or astara for everything | 16:28 |
mhayden | got it | 16:28 |
phil_h | We need some testing on the mixed model | 16:29 |
mhayden | phil_h: what help could you use from the OSA community on your BP/etherpad? | 16:29 |
phil_h | If everyone can have a look and give us feedback | 16:29 |
mhayden | looks like odyssey4me is already on the case :P | 16:29 |
phil_h | thanks, I will have the astara folks on this also | 16:29 |
mhayden | sounds good -- i'd like to compare notes on Astara vs. Octavia for load balancers | 16:30 |
cloudnull | +1 for the boolean approach. Mixed referrence L3 + Astara doesn't seem like a good idea (if it's even possible). | 16:30 |
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mhayden | #action All to review phil_h's etherpad on Astara and provide comments | 16:30 |
odyssey4me | cloudnull ++ agreed | 16:31 |
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phil_h | The astara folks prefer the boolean approach | 16:31 |
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odyssey4me | Certainly in terms of what we document and recommend it should be a binary approach. If people want to try and mix and match then they're on their own. | 16:31 |
mhayden | mixing sounds scary | 16:31 |
odyssey4me | We can't afford to stretch the test matrix. | 16:31 |
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mhayden | wow, lots of stuff going into the etherpad already | 16:32 |
mhayden | nice | 16:32 |
phil_h | Thanks everyone | 16:32 |
mhayden | anything else on Astara, phil_h ? | 16:32 |
phil_h | not right now | 16:32 |
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mhayden | #link phil_h's etherpad for Astara -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/astara-openstack-ansible | 16:32 |
mhayden | okay, next up... | 16:32 |
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mhayden | #topic Deprecation of pip_lockdown | 16:32 |
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mhayden | automagically: you're up! :) | 16:33 |
* automagically scrambles to find the starred review | 16:33 | |
* mhayden plays jeopardy music | 16:33 | |
mhayden | :) | 16:33 |
automagically | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313878/ | 16:33 |
automagically | That review is what we got proposed following the last meeting | 16:34 |
automagically | Thanks jmccrory for the quick turn-around on it | 16:34 |
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automagically | I think we just need to get the feedback from odyssey4me resolved | 16:34 |
jmccrory | had some thoughts on where to go forward from there | 16:34 |
automagically | cloudnull: You were missing last week and we though you’d probably have some opinions, now is your chance to weigh in | 16:35 |
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* cloudnull reading | 16:35 | |
jmccrory | hard set the lockdown var to true in os playbooks, since pip_links are always to go be defined in group vars | 16:35 |
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jmccrory | remove pip_lock_down dependency entirely from IRRs and just add the isolated option to pip_options for developer mode | 16:36 |
cloudnull | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320216/10/meta/main.yml makes sense if we want to keep the API the same. | 16:36 |
automagically | I’d like to still test the length of pip_links which would allow a deployer to ignore the internal repo | 16:36 |
jmccrory | that way it'll avoid any existing lock down for both independent role use or it's they're deployed as part of integrated release | 16:36 |
cloudnull | If we're going to change it, keying off of links makes sense | 16:36 |
automagically | I agree entirely with the rest of that jmccrory | 16:36 |
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odyssey4me | for the meta, all we need is the role inclusion | 16:37 |
cloudnull | as long as the links has a value of >=1 | 16:37 |
jmccrory | sure length would work then, would be possible for deployment to override and empty it | 16:37 |
automagically | odyssey4me: ++ | 16:37 |
automagically | yep jmccrory | 16:37 |
odyssey4me | it defaults to no lock down, so having the dep on developer mode makes no sense | 16:37 |
automagically | Consensus reached then it seems | 16:37 |
automagically | :D | 16:37 |
cloudnull | ++ jmccrory typie typie change all the open reviews :) | 16:38 |
odyssey4me | the only trick here is to cater for automagically's situation where he overrides the links in some builds, so the group_vars are negated | 16:38 |
jmccrory | yeah, was only in case someone wanted to set developer mode on a single role while doing an OSA deployment. and that's seems to have happened | 16:38 |
automagically | I _do_ appreciate being catered to | 16:38 |
mhayden | hah | 16:38 |
mhayden | so we're agree on this one? :) | 16:38 |
automagically | It seems we are | 16:38 |
mhayden | s/agree/agreed/ :) | 16:38 |
cloudnull | we can set that at runtime for a given role | 16:38 |
mhayden | woot | 16:38 |
stevelle | agreed here | 16:38 |
odyssey4me | jmccrory in that particular case a deployer has other options to negate the lock down | 16:38 |
jmccrory | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1585604 | 16:38 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1585604 in openstack-ansible "horizon_developer_mode does not work" [Undecided,New] | 16:39 |
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mhayden | automagically: all good on this topic? | 16:39 |
mhayden | woot | 16:39 |
mhayden | next up... | 16:39 |
mhayden | #topic Support for Xen via libvirt | 16:39 |
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mhayden | and antonym is up! | 16:39 |
antonym | o/ | 16:39 |
odyssey4me | welcome antonym | 16:39 |
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antonym | how's it going? | 16:39 |
antonym | was chatting with major a bit yesterday about looking into libvirt and xen and he suggested we mention it here | 16:40 |
mhayden | let's just say that antonym works on a *very* large OpenStack cloud that happens to run on xen :) | 16:40 |
evrardjp | good indeed | 16:40 |
antonym | wanted to see what the thoughts were on adding it as a supported hypervisor to openstack-ansible | 16:40 |
automagically | Seems like something that might be popular | 16:40 |
antonym | was probably going to throw together a blueprint if it's something that has interest | 16:40 |
mhayden | since it's just another option in libvirt, it could work well | 16:40 |
odyssey4me | antonym it should be pretty easy I expect, probably not much more than extending https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_nova/blob/master/defaults/main.yml#L93-L126 | 16:40 |
mhayden | gate testing could get interesting | 16:40 |
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antonym | odyssey4me: yeah, i had a proof of concept in december in openstack-ansible that built a vm using libvirt, needed to dig into the networking still | 16:41 |
antonym | but i don't think it should be a major effort | 16:41 |
evrardjp | Will this have a larger impact than nova? like a lots of changed due to specific ovs/cinder/glance way of doing things? | 16:41 |
evrardjp | just to be informed how it's planned :D | 16:41 |
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odyssey4me | there's some work going in to support powervm too which is extending that and may introduce some more patterns which could be useful | 16:42 |
antonym | i think it aligns to kvm pretty well right now since it's mostly libvirt | 16:42 |
antonym | the xen guys have been busy stabilizing it too | 16:42 |
evrardjp | cool news | 16:42 |
mhayden | would we need a spec for this work? | 16:43 |
mhayden | i'm on the fence | 16:43 |
automagically | can’t hurt | 16:43 |
antonym | anyways just wanted to bring it up, sounds like there is some interest | 16:43 |
odyssey4me | antonym it would be ideal to have some sort of external CI checks in place to validate that any ongoing work doesn't break xen support, but if that's not possible then it's just going to place more responsibility on anyone using it to test properly before upgrading | 16:43 |
mhayden | antonym: want help building a spec + BP? | 16:43 |
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antonym | mhayden: yeah, i can try and slap one together | 16:43 |
odyssey4me | yeah, it would be best to put the thoughts into a spec | 16:44 |
mhayden | #action antonym to build a blueprint and spec for Xen+libvirt support | 16:44 |
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mhayden | thanks, antonym | 16:44 |
antonym | odyssey4me: yeah, i'm kinda new on the CI checks but it's something we should look into as well | 16:44 |
odyssey4me | the powervm spec will be a good one to model from | 16:44 |
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antonym | odyssey4me: cool, i'll take a look at it | 16:44 |
antonym | mhayden: no prob | 16:44 |
mhayden | many thanks to the IBM folks for coming by and proposing good patches and doing reviews! :) | 16:44 |
odyssey4me | ++ | 16:44 |
evrardjp | indeed | 16:44 |
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antonym | hopefully 16.04 still has some basic xen support :D | 16:44 |
mhayden | antonym: anything else on Xen? | 16:45 |
antonym | mhayden: nope i'm done :) | 16:45 |
mhayden | sweet | 16:45 |
mhayden | that wraps up the discussion topics... on to... | 16:45 |
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mhayden | #topic Release planning and decisions | 16:45 |
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mhayden | odyssey4me: you're up! | 16:45 |
odyssey4me | do we have any blockers for the next tag for Liberty or Mitaka? | 16:46 |
* mhayden is not aware of any | 16:46 | |
* automagically not that I know | 16:46 | |
odyssey4me | as expressed in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096466.html we're waiting for the final kilo-eol tags before we do our own Kilo eol | 16:47 |
* mhayden sheds a tear for kilo | 16:47 | |
odyssey4me | I need to request the Newton-1 tags today as well - I'm just trying to finalise a tool to help me simplify my release request process. | 16:47 |
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odyssey4me | ok then | 16:48 |
evrardjp | good odyssey4me | 16:48 |
stevelle | does it use ansible? | 16:48 |
mhayden | it's written in perl | 16:48 |
evrardjp | :p | 16:48 |
odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to request Newton-1 tags, and next tag releases for Liberty & Mitaka | 16:48 |
odyssey4me | stevelle nope, just python - I'm raging at different opinions about yaml formats | 16:49 |
mhayden | woot | 16:49 |
mhayden | anything else on this odyssey4me? | 16:49 |
odyssey4me | well, not raging, just trying to make yaml.dump output it the way that the release team wants it | 16:49 |
stevelle | I know that feel | 16:49 |
evrardjp | :D | 16:49 |
odyssey4me | I'll take the problem to the channel. Maybe someone can help. | 16:49 |
odyssey4me | mhayden no, thanks - all done | 16:50 |
evrardjp | do you need help? | 16:50 |
mhayden | okay, we got asettle's update already, so we're on to blueprints! | 16:50 |
mhayden | 10 minutes left | 16:50 |
mhayden | #topic Blueprint - Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Support | 16:50 |
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mhayden | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-newton-ubuntu16-04 | 16:50 |
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mhayden | lots more strikethroughs there! | 16:50 |
stevelle | I have the gnocchi role in progress right now | 16:51 |
stevelle | pretty close, might submit a review today | 16:51 |
evrardjp | my neutron role needs core reviews | 16:51 |
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cloudnull | its progressing nicely | 16:51 |
cloudnull | cent7 support too :) | 16:51 |
michaelgugino | nova seems to be working locally, I basically just copied and pasted the work from neutron | 16:51 |
evrardjp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322249/ | 16:51 |
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odyssey4me | it looks like we're actually largely ahead of schedule here | 16:52 |
mhayden | #action Core reviewers can lend a hand on evrardjp's review -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322249/ | 16:52 |
automagically | odyssey4me: don’t jix it | 16:52 |
automagically | jinx, rather | 16:52 |
mhayden | in the interest of time, i'll keep moving | 16:52 |
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mhayden | #topic Blueprint - Install Documentation Update | 16:52 |
odyssey4me | all we needed to do for Newton-1 was get the vars split out implemented... but we're quite far down the road of getting Xenial working | 16:52 |
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mhayden | actually -- i think asettle covered this well | 16:52 |
mhayden | #topic Blueprint - Ansible 2.1 Support | 16:53 |
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odyssey4me | yep, I think we should move to discussion | 16:53 |
mhayden | odyssey4me: you wanna open it up? | 16:53 |
odyssey4me | considering we have 5 mins left | 16:53 |
mhayden | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
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michaelgugino | I vote 2.1 moves to O cycle | 16:53 |
mhayden | i'd like to thank everyone for helping learn the ways of a core reviewer | 16:53 |
evrardjp | would be happy to remove all the non 2.1 supported things for now | 16:53 |
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michaelgugino | nova-lxd driver support will be implemented by my team soon, as soon as I can make them do it | 16:54 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino cool :) | 16:54 |
evrardjp | yeah cool news michaelgugino | 16:54 |
odyssey4me | FYI to all https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/project-config+branch:master+topic:osa-additional-core-teams | 16:54 |
odyssey4me | there's another one for the swift role, and I can add any more if anyone wants to propose that we should have more role specific cores | 16:55 |
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evrardjp | if the discussion is still open, please prepare your opinion on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321582/ | 16:55 |
evrardjp | goal is to simplify tox.ini, ansible.cfg ... | 16:55 |
michaelgugino | I'll also be working on the Watcher project, which has just made it into the big tent. I'll be developing small contribs to that codebase, and acting as a liason between this project and that one | 16:55 |
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evrardjp | not only for 2.1 | 16:55 |
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michaelgugino | They want to have OSA support for watcher, and I am happy to help them/do it | 16:56 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino great, I'm happy that someone is - it looks like an interesting one to perhaps instrument into OSA at some point | 16:56 |
evrardjp | interesting project | 16:56 |
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odyssey4me | evrardjp I'm not sure that it simplifies anything at all to have the plugins as a role requirement | 16:57 |
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automagically | Very cool michaelgugino | 16:57 |
michaelgugino | I also need to submit some more openvswitch patches for neutron. Right now, it only supports provider networking AFAIK. I need to patch the config files to support the bridge mappings | 16:57 |
michaelgugino | br-int and br-ex, for example. | 16:58 |
evrardjp | odyssey4me: happy to discuss about your concerns (and everyone's) | 16:58 |
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odyssey4me | ok, we need to clear the room mhayden | 16:59 |
mhayden | sounds good | 16:59 |
mhayden | thanks, everyone! | 16:59 |
evrardjp | ty everyone | 16:59 |
mhayden | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 16:59:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-02-15.59.html | 16:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-02-15.59.txt | 16:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-02-15.59.log.html | 16:59 |
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cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 17:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
cathy_ | Hi everyone | 17:00 |
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scsnow | hi | 17:00 |
mohankumar | Hi cathy | 17:00 |
iyamahat | hello | 17:00 |
igordcard | hi cathy_ | 17:00 |
doonhammer | Hi Cathy | 17:00 |
georgewang | hi | 17:00 |
regXboi | o/ | 17:00 |
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cathy_ | Let's start with topic #1 listed in the meeting page | 17:01 |
cathy_ | #topic Action status | 17:01 |
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cathy_ | 1. use case status | 17:01 |
LouisF | hi | 17:01 |
pcarver | hi | 17:01 |
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cathy_ | pcarver: How is it going? Could you write a use case for this feature? | 17:02 |
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doonhammer | cathy: LouisF helped by posting my use cases - I still cannot get access to tehg wiki - I have raised a case with support.openstack.org - is that the right place? | 17:02 |
cathy_ | doonhammer: ok, thanks. | 17:03 |
cathy_ | LouisF: have you posted the use case? | 17:03 |
pcarver | I haven't received any actual use cases from the teams that actually use our cloud. I can provide info on what features we have been asked for, but I don't have use cases for the features. | 17:03 |
igordcard | doonhammer: can you log-in successfully? | 17:03 |
LouisF | cathy_: yes | 17:03 |
regXboi | doonhammer: going to s.o.o should do the trick | 17:03 |
cathy_ | LouisF: cool, could you post the link here? | 17:04 |
LouisF | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ServiceChainUseCases | 17:04 |
cathy_ | pcarver: Sure, please provide features. If you can try to get one or two usage scenarios for those features, that will be great | 17:05 |
doonhammer | LouisF: I had some hyperlinks in the references - problem did not come through with the mail - I can send them to you | 17:05 |
cathy_ | pcarver: you are one of the best person to provide the usage scenarios:-) | 17:05 |
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fsunaval | Hi | 17:06 |
LouisF | doonhammer: ok thanks send them and I will add them | 17:06 |
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pcarver | cathy_: unfortunately I don't actually use our cloud. I coordinate with a bunch of other teams that use it so I'm dependent on them to supply what details they will on what they need. Sometimes they have a tendency to only say what they want without providing details on how they'll use it when they get it. | 17:07 |
fsunaval | doonhammer: I will send you the use case I mentioned. | 17:07 |
doonhammer | LouisF: thanks | 17:07 |
cathy_ | igordcard: I know there is a use case spec in IETF. Could you "translate" them into detail usage scenarios and post them on the wiki link? | 17:07 |
cathy_ | fsunaval: hi | 17:07 |
LouisF | fsunaval: you can add it to the wiki | 17:07 |
LouisF | fsunaval: at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ServiceChainUseCases | 17:07 |
fsunaval | LouisF: Ok. Will do. | 17:08 |
cathy_ | pcarver: Understand. If you can push them to give more details, that will be helpful. Could you continue working on getting details on your use cases? | 17:08 |
cathy_ | fsunaval: thanks! | 17:08 |
pcarver | cathy_: yes, I'll keep asking | 17:08 |
igordcard | cathy_: I'll see what I can do - I also have a concrete example of the use case I've posted at the wiki already, so I'll start with that one | 17:09 |
cathy_ | pcarver: thanks! | 17:09 |
cathy_ | igordcard: great. Thanks! | 17:09 |
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s3wong | hello | 17:09 |
cathy_ | From all those use cases, we can analyze the missing pieces to satisfy the requirements. | 17:10 |
cathy_ | s3wong: hi | 17:10 |
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cathy_ | #action pcarver will post the required features on the wiki and will continue working on the usage scenarios | 17:11 |
doonhammer | cathy: I would image we could write simple REST applications that use the networking-sfc to match the use cases/examples? | 17:11 |
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cathy_ | #action igordcard will try to "translate" the IETF use cases into detail usage scenarios and post them on the wiki link | 17:12 |
cathy_ | #action fsunaval will post a use case | 17:12 |
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cathy_ | doonhammer: Yes | 17:13 |
igordcard | #action igordcard will expand SFC Encapsulation/branching use case based on a concrete example | 17:13 |
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cathy_ | doonhammer: or you can use the Horizon GUI | 17:14 |
cathy_ | #topic FC priority status | 17:15 |
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cathy_ | mohankumar: you are working on this, right? | 17:15 |
mohankumar | cathy, completed code changes and have to add/cover required UT testcases, Maybe tmrw will push and open code for review | 17:15 |
doonhammer | cathy: networking-sfc has horizon support now ? | 17:15 |
scsnow | mohankumar, did you implement support in ovs driver? | 17:16 |
mohankumar | @pavel, i've done some code changes in ovs agent as well , please check and feel free to append patch on top | 17:16 |
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cathy_ | mohankumar: Cool. Thank you very much for your great contribution to this project! | 17:16 |
mohankumar | thanks cathy_ | 17:16 |
cathy_ | doonhammer: yes, mohankumar designed and implemented that | 17:16 |
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doonhammer | mohankumar: way cool | 17:17 |
igordcard | cathy_: doonhammer: are you talking about horizon too, or only fc priority? | 17:18 |
doonhammer | igordcard: horizon | 17:18 |
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igordcard | doonhammer: okay | 17:19 |
cathy_ | igordcard: we are talking about FC priority. And provide info to doonhammer that networking-sfc already has Horizon support | 17:19 |
igordcard | cathy_: where? | 17:19 |
mohankumar | doonhammer: yes , i ve developed horizon code , but the current code having some dependency with horizon main code tree | 17:19 |
cathy_ | mohankumar: could you provide the link? | 17:19 |
igordcard | cathy_: mohankumar : I see a work-in-progress patch, but I don't see horizon code in tree yet.. | 17:20 |
mohankumar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258430/ | 17:20 |
scsnow | can someone clarify what is sf_paremeters in port pairs? I see, that currently it supports correlation parameter, but it's not handled in ovs driver. | 17:20 |
scsnow | this parameter is not described in spec either | 17:21 |
cathy_ | scsnow: it should have been described in the API spec. | 17:21 |
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cathy_ | scsnow: this param allows the specification of SF associated attributes | 17:22 |
igordcard | scsnow: perhaps to describe attributes about individual functions, like if one is notn sfc-aware | 17:22 |
igordcard | is this a correct interpretation cathy_ ? | 17:22 |
mohankumar | igordcard , this code still need some changes to implement sfc as plugin | 17:23 |
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cathy_ | For example, the user can specify whether a SF is sfc-encap-aware or not | 17:23 |
cathy_ | igordcard: yes | 17:23 |
LouisF | scsnow: sf-parameters are intended to allow various parameters be attached to a SF | 17:24 |
igordcard | mohankumar: alright, I'm interested in trying it when it's ready, I'll follow the updates | 17:24 |
cathy_ | another example is to specify the weight of a SF when there are multiple functional-like SFs in a group | 17:24 |
scsnow | cathy_, LouisF, igordcard thanks | 17:24 |
cathy_ | currently we only has definition of whether a SF is SFC-aware or not. In the future we can add the "weight" and more other attributes to support richer SFC features | 17:25 |
cathy_ | let's go to next status item | 17:26 |
cathy_ | Move the Path ID generation | 17:26 |
cathy_ | Anyone working on this? | 17:26 |
LouisF | cathy_: I have added a bug for this | 17:27 |
s3wong | cathy_: doing #topic? | 17:27 |
igordcard | my question too, if not I can volunteer | 17:27 |
georgewang | I can contribute to the work of path id generation | 17:27 |
LouisF | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1588460 | 17:27 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1588460 in networking-sfc "Move path-id generation from ovs driver to plugin" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Louis Fourie (lfourie) | 17:27 |
igordcard | we can coordinate then georgewang | 17:27 |
cathy_ | s3wong: this is an item under the "action status" topic":-) | 17:27 |
cathy_ | igordcard: georgewang thanks | 17:27 |
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s3wong | cathy_: but current topic is "FC priority status" :-) | 17:28 |
cathy_ | s3wong: good point | 17:28 |
cathy_ | Sorry I mistype that. | 17:28 |
cathy_ | Let me use "topic" then | 17:28 |
cathy_ | #topic Move the Path ID generation | 17:28 |
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cathy_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1588460 | 17:28 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1588460 in networking-sfc "Move path-id generation from ovs driver to plugin" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Louis Fourie (lfourie) | 17:28 |
cathy_ | #action georgewang and igordcard will coordinate to implement this | 17:29 |
cathy_ | #topic OVN driver for networking-sfc spec and implementation | 17:29 |
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cathy_ | LouisF: are you working on this? | 17:30 |
LouisF | cathy_: fsunaval and I are working on it | 17:30 |
cathy_ | LouisF: great. Thanks | 17:30 |
LouisF | regXboi: you also right? | 17:30 |
doonhammer | cathy: I am working with regXboi and team to get a set of patches in | 17:30 |
LouisF | and doonhammer | 17:31 |
cathy_ | #action LouisF and fsunaval will work on the OVN driver spec for supporting networking-sfc | 17:31 |
doonhammer | we have patches coming for networking-sfc/ovn and ovs/ovn | 17:31 |
regXboi | ack to doonhammer's comments - we're trying to get the first wave of WIP/RFC patches in asap | 17:31 |
cathy_ | #action LouisF and fsunaval and doonhammer will work on the OVN driver spec for supporting networking-sfc | 17:31 |
s3wong | cathy_ | 17:31 |
LouisF | doonhammer: regXboi does this support the port-pair-group? | 17:32 |
doonhammer | cathy: once doonhammer has wiki access :-( | 17:32 |
s3wong | cathy_: didn't know LouisF and fsunaval are working on this also... | 17:32 |
cathy_ | doonhammer: regXboi great progress! | 17:32 |
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regXboi | it may not initially, but it will | 17:32 |
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cathy_ | doonhammer: regXboi thanks | 17:32 |
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doonhammer | LouisF: yes I have the full networking-sfc interface into ovs/ovn | 17:32 |
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doonhammer | LouisF: almost | 17:32 |
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LouisF | regXboi: doonhammer can send you the nb-schema we have for port-chains | 17:33 |
s3wong | doonhammer: there are changes to OVN / OVS community, right? | 17:33 |
regXboi | LouisF: I've seen it, and short of the flow classifier, it's reasonable | 17:33 |
regXboi | s3wong: yes, there will be | 17:33 |
LouisF | including port-chain, port-pair-group and port-pairs | 17:33 |
fsunaval | doonhammer: how is load-balancing handled currently in OVN driver ? | 17:34 |
regXboi | s3wong: changes to ovnnb schema/ovn-northd/ovnsb schema/ovn controller | 17:34 |
LouisF | OVN ACLs would serve as flow-classifier | 17:34 |
regXboi | LouisF: that's where I'm going | 17:34 |
doonhammer | s3wong: yes changes to ovn-nb.ovsschema, ovn_northd.c and ovn-nbctl.c | 17:34 |
regXboi | fsunaval: the select group action in open vswitch | 17:34 |
LouisF | with an action that references a named port-chain | 17:34 |
regXboi | that's the intent for load balancing | 17:35 |
doonhammer | LouisF:regXboi: flow-classifier and load-balacning are the area that need most work | 17:35 |
LouisF | regXboi: yes the ppg would be implemented as an ovs group table | 17:35 |
LouisF | regXboi: with each bucket being a port-pair in the PPG | 17:36 |
regXboi | LouisF: ack | 17:36 |
LouisF | that is the way it is currently implemated in the ovs driver and works ok | 17:36 |
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cathy_ | doonhammer: regXboi it will be great to have a consistent mechanism of adding/modifying the OVS group table and flow table between the OVS driver path and the OVN path | 17:38 |
regXboi | cathy_: I don't think that is possible | 17:39 |
regXboi | the ML2 driver and the OVN approach have distinctly different views of what OVS table does what | 17:39 |
LouisF | regXboi: agree but the use of the ovs group can be similar | 17:39 |
doonhammer | cathy: not sure it is desirable as the logical model of OVN provides location independance of VNFs | 17:40 |
fsunaval | regXboi: Also, we need to make sure that the design allows for SFC encapsulation (NSH or whatever). Simply changing the logical DI is not enough. | 17:40 |
regXboi | LouisF: depends on your definition of "similar" :) | 17:40 |
LouisF | to use the ovs group with buckets | 17:40 |
regXboi | LouisF: that, I agree with :) | 17:41 |
regXboi | fsunaval: in my mind, if the design works without encapsulation, then adding it should be relatively simple (famous last words) | 17:41 |
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igordcard | regXboi: yes, at the dataplane level yes, the bottleneck then lies in the user-exposed API - unless to encapsulate for the sake of encapsulating | 17:43 |
LouisF | regXboi: sfc encap is needed to deal with the case where dpi classifers are used | 17:43 |
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scsnow | Is someone working on adding NSH support in ovs driver? | 17:43 |
igordcard | LouisF: a good example, I agree | 17:43 |
cathy_ | scsnow: that is our next topic:-) | 17:44 |
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s3wong | scsnow: the better question is: is anyone having any success on adding support of NSH into OVS in general :-) | 17:44 |
regXboi | LouisF: that becomes (in my mind) an add-on to the basic flows | 17:44 |
scsnow | s3wong, yes, I have some problems with patched 2.5.90 =) | 17:44 |
igordcard | scsnow: was waiting for the next topic, but yes I've started in a local branch | 17:45 |
cathy_ | scsnow: what do you mean problems? | 17:45 |
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cathy_ | scsnow: not working? | 17:45 |
cathy_ | OK, let's go to the next topic | 17:45 |
LouisF | regXboi: we should look at that | 17:45 |
scsnow | It does not pass packets. having: | 17:45 |
scsnow | Jun 1 14:31:45 localhost ovs-vswitchd: ovs|00019|odp_util(handler4)|ERR|attribute tcp_flags has length 4 but should have length 2 | 17:45 |
regXboi | LouisF: look at what? | 17:45 |
s3wong | scsnow: problem as in not working (doesn't exist) at all? :-) | 17:46 |
LouisF | sfc encap | 17:46 |
igordcard | scsnow: are you using yi's april patches? | 17:46 |
regXboi | LouisF: getting the basic stuff working without sfc encap is my first goal | 17:46 |
scsnow | I use patches from https://github.com/yyang13/ovs_nsh_patches | 17:46 |
LouisF | regXboi: ok | 17:46 |
igordcard | scsnow: yep those | 17:46 |
mohankumar | scsnow , our ONOS development team used it and they able to make it work | 17:47 |
cathy_ | igordcard: scsnow two topic threads are being discussed here. let's hold on the discussion on Yi' NSH patch to next topic:-) | 17:47 |
scsnow | cathy_, ok | 17:47 |
igordcard | scsnow: I have compiled that OVS but haven't actually made packets flow through yet, I'll try it an come back to you | 17:47 |
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igordcard | and* | 17:47 |
s3wong | cathy_: agreed | 17:47 |
s3wong | LouisF, regXboi: anything else to discuss for OVN SFC driver? | 17:48 |
LouisF | regXboi: are you working in a repo? | 17:48 |
regXboi | s3wong: no - just trying to get patches out ... | 17:48 |
regXboi | LouisF: no - I'm trying to get the patches submitted to r.o.o and patchworks | 17:48 |
cathy_ | regXboi: I think Louis's point is that if you take encap into consideration, the place to set the next hop could be changed. You may want to set the next hop in the ingress place, not the egress place | 17:48 |
cathy_ | regXboi: we can take this detail discussion off line via emails | 17:49 |
regXboi | cathy_: that becomes an addition flow rule, that's all | 17:49 |
LouisF | cathy_: ok | 17:49 |
regXboi | so the base stuff goes in, and that goes in as a new flow rule | 17:49 |
regXboi | but I agree that the ML is a good place... | 17:49 |
s3wong | I think they are working with doonhammer's private repo --- which hopefully can instead be a patch posted on gerrit against networking-sfc soon | 17:49 |
doonhammer | s3wong: that is the plan | 17:50 |
cathy_ | doonhammer: cool. | 17:50 |
cathy_ | can we go to next topic? | 17:50 |
LouisF | +1 | 17:50 |
regXboi | s3wong: *that* is my goal | 17:50 |
s3wong | doonhammer, regXboi: cool | 17:51 |
cathy_ | #action doonhammer regXboi will post a patch in gerrit against networking-sfc after it is baked complete enough | 17:51 |
cathy_ | #topic add PPG parameter to specify insert-mode behavior for all PPs in a PPG | 17:52 |
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cathy_ | This is about the L2/L3 mode doonhammer raised before | 17:52 |
cathy_ | who would like to work on this item? | 17:52 |
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LouisF | i have added a bug for that https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1588463 | 17:53 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1588463 in networking-sfc "Add port-pair-group parameter" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Louis Fourie (lfourie) | 17:53 |
scsnow | cathy_, is this just an api change or it should be supported in ovs driver as well? | 17:53 |
cathy_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1588463 | 17:53 |
s3wong | cathy_: how do we do L3 insertion in OVS driver? | 17:53 |
LouisF | scsnow: it would be a api change | 17:53 |
cathy_ | scsnow: it should be supported in the OVS driver | 17:53 |
fsunaval | s3wong: we change the MAC DA. | 17:54 |
cathy_ | LouisF: this bug is for APi change, but we should have codes in OVS driver too | 17:54 |
LouisF | doonhammer: you have the use case for bitw SFs? | 17:54 |
LouisF | cathy_: i can add that to the bug | 17:54 |
cathy_ | I will create another bug for the OVS driver, OVS agent change | 17:54 |
LouisF | cathy_: ok | 17:55 |
scsnow | I can do an API change | 17:55 |
LouisF | scsnow: ok | 17:55 |
doonhammer | LouisF: Yes manly for east-west/micro-segmentation | 17:55 |
s3wong | fsunaval: so do we (OVS driver for SFC) serve as a virtual router also? | 17:55 |
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cathy_ | #action scsnow will do the API change for bug 1588463. Thanks! | 17:56 |
openstack | bug 1588463 in networking-sfc "Add port-pair-group parameter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588463 - Assigned to Louis Fourie (lfourie) | 17:56 |
scsnow | For ovs driver change I would need some more initial description | 17:56 |
doonhammer | LouisF: For a lot of VNFs not having to participate in networking directly makes scaling and management significantly easier | 17:56 |
fsunaval | s3wong: Currently, we only support the case where the VNF is a L3 function. For this, the OVS flow rule changes the MAC DA to match that of the VNF. | 17:56 |
LouisF | doonhammer: agree | 17:56 |
cathy_ | scsnow: Louis and I will add more description to that bug on the OVS driver change | 17:57 |
fsunaval | The VNF then does its stuff and sends the packet with the MAC SA changed to itself. doonhammer's case is tricky to implement in OVS. The VNF forwards the same packet without modification. | 17:57 |
scsnow | cathy_, after that I'll let you know whether I'm able to handle driver part | 17:57 |
cathy_ | scsnow: OK, I will create another bug for the driver and agent part. | 17:58 |
cathy_ | fsunaval: could I assign the driver and agent bug to you? | 17:59 |
fsunaval | cathy_: Yes, you can. We will need to discuss thoroughly how to implement the agent though. | 17:59 |
s3wong | fsunaval, scsnow, cathy_, LouisF: still can't quite picture it... when kanzhe and I proposed service insertion back in Juno cycle, the 'router' insertion is closest to this, but the service needs to be integrated into router | 17:59 |
cathy_ | sorry we are running out of time | 18:00 |
LouisF | bye | 18:00 |
scsnow | do we have team channel in irc? | 18:00 |
mohankumar | bye | 18:00 |
igordcard | cya | 18:00 |
cathy_ | Let's continue the discussion next week. | 18:00 |
LouisF | scsnow: no | 18:00 |
doonhammer | bye | 18:01 |
igordcard | a channel would be nice | 18:01 |
fsunaval | s3wong: let us discuss over email. | 18:01 |
s3wong | bye | 18:01 |
cathy_ | scsnow: no. shoot emails:-) | 18:01 |
s3wong | fsunaval: sure | 18:01 |
LouisF | scsnow: lets add one | 18:01 |
scsnow | ok, bye then | 18:01 |
cathy_ | bye for now | 18:01 |
fsunaval | bye | 18:01 |
cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 18:01:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-06-02-17.00.html | 18:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-06-02-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-06-02-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
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