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| simhon | Good morning, question about taas | 06:40 |
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| simhon | I run Liberty on Ubuntu with ovs 2.0.2 | 06:41 |
| simhon | configured taas service and taas flow | 06:42 |
| simhon | the ingress (in) to a vm does not work | 06:42 |
| simhon | since the rule on the ovs use vlan as a match but traffic comes without vlan | 06:42 |
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| simhon | packets=0, n_bytes=0, idle_age=259, priority=20,dl_vlan=3,dl_dst=fa:16:3e:d3:60:16 actions=NORMAL,mod_vlan_vid:3901,output:11 | 06:43 |
| simhon | as you can see this rule never hit | 06:43 |
| simhon | because the match expects vlan | 06:44 |
| simhon | any reason for the vlan ??? | 06:44 |
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| reedip | simhon: please join #openstack-meeting-3 for Taas Meeting | 06:49 |
| reedip | we have it going on right now! | 06:49 |
| simhon | ok, i will present this question later on in meet#3 | 06:49 |
| simhon | thanks | 06:49 |
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| reedip | we have the meeting for another 30 minutes, so once the open discussion proceeds, you can ask! | 06:50 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 13:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 13:00 |
| jichen | o/ | 13:00 |
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| gmann_ | hi | 13:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 13:01 |
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| sdague | o/ | 13:01 |
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| alaski | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | good morning and evening for everyone! | 13:01 |
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| claudiub|2 | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | let's start the meeting | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | alaski, claudiub|2 welcome | 13:01 |
| alaski | thanks | 13:02 |
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| alex_xu | #topic API Priorities | 13:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "API Priorities (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:02 | |
| alex_xu | let's talk about api doc first | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | sdague: your turn | 13:02 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: ok | 13:03 |
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| sdague | I think we are about as good as we are going to get on automated translation | 13:03 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302500/9 | 13:03 |
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| sdague | is the current top of stack for that | 13:03 |
| sdague | it's now 1 rst file per "group" | 13:03 |
| sdague | and a single parameters file | 13:04 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: does those patch ready for review, or still under some debug? | 13:04 |
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| sdague | there is plenty that is going to need to get cleaned up from here, but I think that's probably as close as we're going to get (more work on the translators are probably not going to really going to be faster than just fixing in place) | 13:05 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yes, I think so | 13:05 |
| gmann_ | that's more allinged with sample files. each per group | 13:05 |
| sdague | I think the only real question is if the single parameters file and the rst files grouped like that is conceptually good for folks | 13:05 |
| sdague | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/00/302500/9/check/gate-nova-api-ref/81d644c//api-ref/build/html/ is the output that generates | 13:05 |
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| sdague | after that point, it's going to be building a scrubbing list and going through the docs and fixing all the issues that are there | 13:06 |
| sdague | some which are translation issues | 13:06 |
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| sdague | some of which are just issues that have always been in the content | 13:06 |
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| sdague | so, I guess, that's question #1 | 13:07 |
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| sdague | does the 1 parameters file & rst per group look good to folks? | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | is the grouped file good for support microversion? | 13:07 |
| gmann_ | sdague: we are going to dump sample files there as request response example right | 13:07 |
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| sdague | question #2 - what is the best way to build out the todo to scrub it | 13:07 |
| sdague | gmann_: I'm not sure I understand the question | 13:08 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: I mean we have sample files also in same group structure. so are we going to add their content in doc for request example and response example | 13:08 |
| sdague | gmann_: they are | 13:08 |
| sdague | by reference | 13:08 |
| sdague | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/00/302500/9/check/gate-nova-api-ref/81d644c//api-ref/build/html/#create-server | 13:09 |
| gmann_ | sdague: oh, cool, that's nice | 13:10 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: I think that the groups are probably fine for microversions, we kind of need to clean up what's here first before we can start doing that part | 13:10 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: ok, but i will try keep this question when review the patch | 13:12 |
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| sdague | sure | 13:12 |
| gmann_ | yea, selection of microversion in drop down and results to only group which got changed there will be nice | 13:12 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: for the todo, probably just let people take each group, then go to fix the problem in each group, as the way we doing similar works | 13:13 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: their content need more structured way right? like Preconditions, Troubleshooting etc all in plain text now. | 13:13 |
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| sdague | gmann_: yeh, that's one of those things that is going to have to be fixed manually | 13:13 |
| gmann_ | sdague: i see, | 13:13 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: +1 for taking group by group | 13:14 |
| sdague | alex_xu: sure, we can etherpad it, or we can make some bugs on it | 13:14 |
| sdague | that was basically my question, if launchpad bugs might be more useful as the todo list because it's easier to know someone is doing it and what isn't done yet | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | sdague: at least we have one sample to talk people which is the finally thing looks like? | 13:15 |
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| alex_xu | s/talk/tell/ | 13:15 |
| sdague | alex_xu: right, there is something to show now. | 13:15 |
| gmann_ | sdague: LP bug for each group updates? | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | sdague: one good thing is launchpad have more visible, maybe get more help from people outside nova api team | 13:16 |
| sdague | anyway, we should decide if this format is good enough to land soon, so then we can switch focus from the converter to manually fixin | 13:16 |
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| sdague | because it's a waste of time to start manually fixing if we are going to regenerate the base files | 13:16 |
| edleafe | sdague: looks great to me | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | sdague: the 'todo' point to some kind of improvement for the doc structure and html page style, or just the content? | 13:17 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: I think it's kind of as follows: | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, so review those pach first | 13:18 |
| sdague | 1) land base conversions | 13:18 |
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| sdague | 2) audit for missing methods (like GET /server/details) | 13:18 |
| * alex_xu must have network latence | 13:19 | |
| sdague | 3) fix missing parameters list | 13:19 |
| sdague | (no I'm typing slow) | 13:19 |
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| sdague | 3) fix parameters lists for each group (fix wrong references, double check for missing parameters, add microversion parameters) | 13:19 |
| sdague | 4) fix body text in each group for formatting issues | 13:20 |
| alex_xu | okay...huge number of works... | 13:20 |
| sdague | 5) reorder methods into logical groupings | 13:20 |
| sdague | yeh, there are lots of things to be done | 13:21 |
| gmann_ | sdague: 3) ..add microversion parameters ? | 13:21 |
| sdague | I can build the full scrub list | 13:21 |
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| sdague | gmann_: there is support in the parameters file for microversion adds of parameters | 13:21 |
| gmann_ | sdague: list vise items will help and we apply those in for loop for all group | 13:21 |
| sdague | but that all has to be added | 13:21 |
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| alex_xu | if each problem for one launchpad bug, must pain. If just 'fix missing parameters list' as a bug, then looks like useless. :( | 13:22 |
| sdague | alex_xu: right, I agree, we're going to need to handle this with more specifics | 13:22 |
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| sdague | so it's kind of each phase per file, maybe I'll figure out if there is a good way to automate building those bugs | 13:23 |
| alex_xu | sounds cool | 13:23 |
| sdague | let me write out in english all the things I think we need to do in an email today, then we can figure out tracking of it | 13:24 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: cool, then probably people can help on you | 13:24 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 13:24 |
| sdague | yep | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | ok, so let move on? | 13:24 |
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| sdague | yes | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | ok, let jump to policy discover | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | alaski, claudiub|2 do you have any update? | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | claudiub|2: have conflict meeting with hyperv | 13:26 |
| alaski | on my side I'm mostly focused on the low level changes required for olso.policy to provide what is needed to build this | 13:27 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290155/ looks pretty solid, we should probably get folks to land that one | 13:27 |
| alaski | basically just to get to the point of answering the question, "can this context pass these policy checks" | 13:27 |
| sdague | I need to rereview the API version | 13:27 |
| alex_xu | yea, already +1 by most of api team members | 13:28 |
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| sdague | alaski: ok, cool. Is that a thing that you are actively working? or is that a thing you need / want help on | 13:28 |
| alaski | the question I have now is do we want to expose this simple offering in the API, or build grouping on top first | 13:28 |
| alaski | sdague: I plan to actively work the olso.policy changes, but not the actual registration of policy | 13:29 |
| alaski | I could use help on that part | 13:29 |
| sdague | my feeling is we should start with the simple thing over the API | 13:29 |
| * gmann_ put this in review list for tomorrow | 13:29 | |
| claudiub|2 | can you explain what those simple things are? | 13:29 |
| alex_xu | I submitted a spec which I separated from policy discover api, it is about remove the target parameter from enforce method: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305026/ | 13:30 |
| sdague | claudiub|2: making the payload be basically just the policy.json lines as are | 13:30 |
| alaski | right, just a list of policies you pass | 13:30 |
| claudiub|2 | so, basically, the original proposal of the spec. ok | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | if we remove the target parameter, we probably can enforce policy from framework layer maybe | 13:30 |
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| alaski | there's still a wrinkle in there which is the target parameter | 13:30 |
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| alaski | some policies depend on the resource being acted upon | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | if no target parameter, then we probably just do something in the top | 13:31 |
| alaski | that could work | 13:31 |
| alaski | I'm not sure about removing the target parameter though | 13:32 |
| claudiub|2 | yeah, that's true. someone suggested that we could have something like /servers/id/policy, and return a set of policy rules / actions based on that target. | 13:32 |
| alaski | that was me :) | 13:32 |
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| alex_xu | alaski: yes, that is way I submitted a spec for that, I think that is good for discuss this problem. | 13:32 |
| sdague | lets figure out what happens after we move policy enforcement into a context method call | 13:32 |
| alex_xu | s/way/why/ | 13:32 |
| alaski | I was thinking that we actually have two classes of policies, general actions and then actions under a target | 13:32 |
| sdague | because it sounds like the real issue is that a lot of times the target is faked | 13:33 |
| alaski | I don't think it is | 13:33 |
| alaski | but I'm happy to defer until we have some of this work done | 13:33 |
| alex_xu | sdague: if it isn't faked, it still doesn't work due to the db always filter by project_id for non admin user | 13:33 |
| alaski | alex_xu: I haven't seen your spec, can you link me or add me to it? | 13:34 |
| sdague | yeh, let's get the base patches done first | 13:34 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305026/1 | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | alaski: ^ | 13:35 |
| alaski | thanks | 13:35 |
| sdague | alex_xu: I think that your spec might change after alaski's base infrastructure parts are in place | 13:35 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yes, that is can be. We can refactor if we find way we needn't put context.can() in each api each. | 13:36 |
| alex_xu | when we decide without target is right thing | 13:36 |
| sdague | right, so lets focus on alaski's spec | 13:36 |
| alaski | food for thought, but we may want to split policy to answer two questions. Can I do this, like resize for example, and then can I do this on this particular resource | 13:36 |
| sdague | and the code to implement it | 13:36 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool, +1 | 13:37 |
| alaski | with a split we could do one level of enforcement in the api framework, and then the second level where appropriate | 13:37 |
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| alaski | but that should be discussed later | 13:37 |
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| alex_xu | emm...really good food for thought | 13:38 |
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| claudiub|2 | yeah, we can do that | 13:38 |
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| alaski | so that's my update. I'll be working on getting the framework in place, but could use help registering all of the policies when that is done | 13:39 |
| sdague | alaski: ok, cool, is there a rough ETA on framework? | 13:40 |
| claudiub|2 | I can help with that | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | alaski: cool | 13:40 |
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| gmann_ | alaski: +1 | 13:40 |
| sdague | because we can't really divide and conquer the policy registration until that's there | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | may i ask what is ETA? | 13:40 |
| alaski | sdague: I wasn't pushing too hard until after the summit discussion, but shouldn't take too long after that | 13:40 |
| sdague | estimated time of arrival | 13:40 |
| sdague | alaski: ok great | 13:40 |
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| sdague | yeh, everyone should be prepared for these discussions at summit | 13:41 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks | 13:41 |
| sdague | there will be a cross project session on tuesday | 13:41 |
| sdague | and this will be the focus of the nova API discussions on thursday | 13:41 |
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| claudiub|2 | cool. just one question from me: so basically the policy nova-api endpoint will just return the list of passing policies, right? | 13:42 |
| sdague | claudiub|2: yes, I think so | 13:42 |
| * alex_xu need prepare to listen more english listening classs.... | 13:42 | |
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| claudiub|2 | and also, listing the available endpoints to the user based on his policies, will that still be a good feature to have? | 13:43 |
| * oomichi_ same as alex | 13:43 | |
| alex_xu | ok, sounds cool at here | 13:43 |
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| alaski | claudiub|2: I think the goal is to move in that direction, but what it actually looks like will probably have a lot of discussion | 13:44 |
| alex_xu | i guess so also | 13:44 |
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| claudiub|2 | well, sounds good to me. listing all the endpoints correctly at the moment is quite challenging at the moment, to be honest. | 13:45 |
| claudiub|2 | and all the correct details / bodies. | 13:45 |
| claudiub|2 | especially since some policy rules do not match the action name. :) | 13:45 |
| alaski | yeah, we'll need to build this up one step at a time to enable that | 13:45 |
| sdague | claudiub|2: right, but aliasing all that is phase 2 or 3 | 13:46 |
| sdague | lets just get this in code, and exposed over the wire | 13:46 |
| sdague | and get that whole flow working | 13:46 |
| claudiub|2 | cool. | 13:46 |
| sdague | then we can start working on better UX for the whole thing | 13:46 |
| sdague | I think we'll learn a lot by the time we get there as well, which will help inform the UX conversation | 13:46 |
| alaski | agreed | 13:47 |
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| claudiub|2 | i suppose we also need a blueprint for the renaming / aliasing. | 13:47 |
| claudiub|2 | anyways, lgtm. | 13:47 |
| alaski | we will, yes | 13:47 |
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| alex_xu | ok, cool, sounds we can move on? | 13:48 |
| claudiub|2 | agreed. | 13:48 |
| alex_xu | #topic Nova Microversion testing in Tempest | 13:49 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: your turn | 13:49 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: not much on this. | 13:49 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: did not get much chance to work on this last week. | 13:49 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: ok, no problem, we already very good on this | 13:49 |
| gmann_ | most probably i will continue on this after summit. | 13:49 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: ok, sounds cool, thanks for working on this | 13:50 |
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| gmann_ | np! | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | so just let's move to open | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 13:50 |
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| alex_xu | modern microversion, when and how do we want 'em - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300077/ | 13:50 |
| cdent | yeah, that was me | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | cdent: yea, go ahead | 13:50 |
| cdent | Essentially: do we want to do this and when. If so, what are the testing constraints. | 13:51 |
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| cdent | I'm not in any rush, but it will need some coordination and specification, so I just want to get a measure of interest and desire | 13:51 |
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| alex_xu | anytime, just not priority item i guess, and the patch isn't huge, looks like pretty good land it in newton | 13:52 |
| cdent | I assume it would require a microversion itself, and thus a spec, or just a blueprint? | 13:52 |
| gmann_ | cdent: alex_xu just had first look there, do we need to return both header in response or the one which was requested | 13:53 |
| alaski | typically a microversion bump requires a spec | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | emm...use a microversion to discover another microversion header | 13:53 |
| sdague | cdent: all microversions have a spec | 13:53 |
| sdague | it should be quick | 13:53 |
| gmann_ | cdent: IMO microversion need to publish the new header support at least | 13:54 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: yes, i think so | 13:54 |
| gmann_ | yea | 13:54 |
| sdague | alex_xu: we need to document that after some point this header is accepted | 13:54 |
| sdague | kind of like the project_id optionality | 13:54 |
| sdague | cdent: I'd like to get that in during Milestone 1 just to make things more standard | 13:54 |
| cdent | Okay, I can cook the spec soon. | 13:54 |
| sdague | cdent: so if you could throw up a quick spec, we should be able to move it through soon | 13:54 |
| sdague | it should be really straight forward | 13:54 |
| cdent | #action: cdent make new microversion header spec | 13:55 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: emm...yes, that is right, clear now | 13:55 |
| alex_xu | cdent: thanks | 13:55 |
| cdent | as stated on that review I'm a bit concerned/confused on how to proceed with testing | 13:55 |
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| cdent | but we can work that when proper reviewing happens, I guess | 13:55 |
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| cdent | the other open item was also me: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304958/ | 13:56 |
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| cdent | and has similar questions, changing a 400 to a 415 requires a microversion, thus a spec. someone from an internship program somewhere jumped on that bug very quickly and is now confused by the bureaucracy they have to traverse to get it merged. he and I are going to work together on that | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | emm...if someone use wrong content-type, must be a program mistake, as nova only support json | 13:57 |
| cdent | alex_xu: we wish to support a diversity of clients | 13:57 |
| cdent | what those clients do is unknown to us | 13:57 |
| cdent | so if they send a bad request we should send the correct response code | 13:57 |
| cdent | yes? | 13:57 |
| cdent | the content-type in the POST request, not response | 13:58 |
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| alex_xu | cdent: yes, i'm just think, maybe this needn't microversion, as is there anyone write code like "if 415 then...." | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | ? | 13:58 |
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| alex_xu | so if no, sounds like a status code change for this won't effect the clients | 13:59 |
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| alex_xu | omg, 1 mins left | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | let move back to openstack-nova? | 13:59 |
| cdent | I have written client code in the past that interprets 4xx responses to provide options on how to proceed | 13:59 |
| sdague | my inclination on this one is to say this was a bug and should be fixed and backported | 13:59 |
| * cdent nods | 14:00 | |
| sdague | because it was screwed up | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 14:00:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| edleafe | sdague +1 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-04-13-13.00.html | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-04-13-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-04-13-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jed56 | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 14:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jed56. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:00 | |
| dtardivel | hi | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| jed56 | hi everyone ! | 14:00 |
| tkaczynski | hi | 14:00 |
| gzhai1 | hi | 14:00 |
| vtech | hi | 14:00 |
| jinquan | hi | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
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| tpeoples | o/, on another call right now so may be slow to respond | 14:00 |
| jed56 | Agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#13.2F06.2F2016 | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| alexchadin | hi | 14:01 |
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| jed56 | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| jed56 | #info We could run tempest tests with multiple nodes. The multiple nodes testing allows us to use tempest to cover the features which require multiple nodes in gate job. | 14:01 |
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| jed56 | thanks vincentfrancoise | 14:01 |
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| jed56 | This is an important feature for to improve test cases of watcher | 14:02 |
| jed56 | In fact, most of the strategies of watcher proposes the action “live-migration or cold migration” of a VM. | 14:02 |
| vmahe1 | hi | 14:02 |
| vtech | jed56, is it already operational? | 14:02 |
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| jed56 | For the moment, this gate is experimental. | 14:02 |
| vincentfrancoise | vtech: yes | 14:02 |
| jed56 | We plan to change the state of this gate to “no-voting” after the Openstack Summit. If you want to trigger the gate, you should leave a comment on the review “check experimental” in order to run/add the job in the pipeline. | 14:02 |
| vtech | cool | 14:03 |
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| jinquan | great | 14:03 |
| vincentfrancoise | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296633/ (gate-watcher-dsvm-multinode-nv) | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | cool | 14:03 |
| jed56 | everybody can push code ! go go go | 14:03 |
| jed56 | :-) | 14:04 |
| vincentfrancoise | :p | 14:04 |
| jed56 | any other announcement ? | 14:04 |
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| jinquan | BP:https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/select-destinations-filter code completed, i will it push tomorrow. | 14:04 |
| jinquan | push it | 14:05 |
| jed56 | jinquan: okay awesome | 14:05 |
| jed56 | #topic Review Action Items | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:05 | |
| jed56 | there are many specifications which are waiting a second core reviewer agreement for merging | 14:05 |
| jed56 | Like last week, I would like that these specifications are merged as soon as possible. | 14:06 |
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| jed56 | Scoring Module #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:06 |
| tkaczynski | +1 | 14:06 |
| jed56 | Provide efficacy indicators #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | jed56: I +2 an intel spec whihc I know is not a good practice. But I waiting for b-com to +1 it | 14:06 |
| jed56 | Add Overload standard deviation #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ | 14:06 |
| seanmurphy | apols - i said i would review one or two but i have been overloaded | 14:06 |
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| jed56 | Who could take some time to look at these reviews in priority, please ? | 14:07 |
| jed56 | seanmurphy: do you need a load balancer ? | 14:07 |
| jed56 | :) | 14:07 |
| seanmurphy | haha ;-) | 14:07 |
| seanmurphy | i can do something this week | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | jed56: give ma an actions to review stuff | 14:07 |
| jed56 | sballe_: acabot is in holidays for the moment | 14:07 |
| seanmurphy | i will recheck what i was supposed to review now | 14:07 |
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| jed56 | #action acabot, jwcropper sballe review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ | 14:08 |
| jed56 | junjie: sorry i didn't take the time | 14:08 |
| jed56 | to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ | 14:08 |
| jed56 | but it is in my pipeline | 14:09 |
| jed56 | #action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ | 14:09 |
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| tkaczynski | what about scoring module? | 14:09 |
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| jinquan | hi, jed56 we have a question about junjie's BP: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ , we need some helps | 14:09 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: we are waiting a +1 from acabot or joe | 14:09 |
| jed56 | jinquan: okay, can you wait open discussion please | 14:10 |
| tkaczynski | ok, thanks | 14:10 |
| jinquan | ok | 14:10 |
| jed56 | jinquan: thanks :) | 14:10 |
| seanmurphy | prevoiusly i said i would review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ but if this is assigned to others i can take something else | 14:10 |
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| jed56 | tpeoples: do you plan to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ | 14:10 |
| tpeoples | jwcroppe has been on a long vacation for the past few weeks. he'll be back next week | 14:10 |
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| jed56 | tpeoples: great! | 14:11 |
| sballe_ | jed56: they are both on vacation but it would be nice to get a +1 from tpeoples and some mroe +1 from b-com | 14:11 |
| jed56 | seanmurphy: okay | 14:11 |
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| tpeoples | yes jed56. should i abandon and put up for review under newton? | 14:11 |
| sballe_ | jed56: I meant on the scoring engine | 14:11 |
| jed56 | you should postpone to newton | 14:11 |
| tpeoples | will do | 14:11 |
| sballe_ | tpeoples: can you review the scroing engine and +1 it assuming you are ok with it? | 14:11 |
| jed56 | #action tpeoples review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:12 |
| tpeoples | sballe_: yes, i can do that | 14:12 |
| jed56 | okay great! | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | tpeoples: thx | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | jed56: you already +1 it. Can we get vincentfrancoise or dtardivel to review it too? | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | this will make life easier for acabot and jwcroppe when they het back and have to +2 it | 14:13 |
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| tkaczynski | sballe_: I believe they already had that on their action list | 14:13 |
| vincentfrancoise | sballe_: I'm a bit overloaded right now with my BP | 14:13 |
| jed56 | dtardivel is very busy | 14:14 |
| jed56 | it plan to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy | 14:14 |
| sballe_ | fair enough. I was just seeing how we could speed up the +2 | 14:14 |
| vincentfrancoise | so that would be EOW if I get some spare time | 14:14 |
| jed56 | #action review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:14 |
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| jed56 | vmahe : do you think you could review the scoring spec ? | 14:15 |
| jed56 | and the others : ) | 14:15 |
| sballe_ | yes of course ;-) | 14:15 |
| vmahe1 | yes, I can do that | 14:15 |
| seanmurphy | i can do it also | 14:15 |
| sballe_ | vmahe1: thx! | 14:15 |
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| sballe_ | seanmurphy: thx! | 14:15 |
| seanmurphy | sballe_: np! | 14:15 |
| sballe_ | :) | 14:15 |
| jed56 | #action vmahe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ | 14:15 |
| jed56 | #action seanmurphy review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ | 14:16 |
| tkaczynski | thanks guys :) | 14:16 |
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| jed56 | thanks you | 14:16 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:16 |
| jed56 | who wants to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy ? | 14:16 |
| jed56 | 11 patchsets :) | 14:16 |
| jed56 | this is important to us because | 14:17 |
| jed56 | many blueprints are depending of this one | 14:17 |
| gzhai1 | I can have a look | 14:17 |
| jed56 | this is the critical path :) | 14:17 |
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| dtardivel | jed56: I will do it | 14:17 |
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| tkaczynski | I can review that. it will be a good lesson for my implementation :) | 14:17 |
| sballe_ | ditto | 14:17 |
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| jed56 | #action gzhai1 sballe_ dtardivel tkaczynski review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy | 14:18 |
| vincentfrancoise | FYI, I've put some WIP but they'll be removed soon | 14:18 |
| gzhai1 | one question. should we address it one by one? | 14:18 |
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| jed56 | you should address them by order | 14:18 |
| vincentfrancoise | well yes | 14:18 |
| jed56 | these patchets are linked | 14:19 |
| vincentfrancoise | I tried to make them as readable as possible but you may not understand some bits in the beginning | 14:19 |
| jed56 | don't hesitate to ask vincentfrancoise on #openstack-watcher | 14:20 |
| gzhai1 | vincentfrancoise: do you want reorg them? | 14:20 |
| jed56 | if you have any questions | 14:20 |
| vincentfrancoise | so feel free to ask me on #openstack-watcher if you wish to | 14:20 |
| jed56 | vincentfrancoise: :) | 14:20 |
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| tpeoples | vincentfrancoise: i will take another pass at all of those this week | 14:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai1: not really I already changed the order so it shouldn't move much from now on | 14:21 |
| gzhai1 | ok | 14:21 |
| jed56 | #action tpeoples review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy | 14:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | I'm currently fixing some minor bugs as I am making some testing | 14:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | hence the -1 WIPs | 14:21 |
| jed56 | any other questions ? | 14:22 |
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| jed56 | okay let's continue | 14:22 |
| jed56 | #topic Blueprint/Bug | 14:22 |
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| jed56 | #info the specifications for Newton are open | 14:22 |
| jed56 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301753/ has been merged | 14:22 |
| jed56 | #info everybody can retarget their own specification to newton | 14:22 |
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| jed56 | who have a specification open to mitaka ? | 14:23 |
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| jed56 | i can take a look to lauchpad :) | 14:23 |
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| alexchadin | there are almost all opened to newton except of two. | 14:25 |
| jed56 | #action acabot,sballe, jwcropper , jed56 set comment on specs on mitika | 14:25 |
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| alexchadin | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/optimization-threshold | 14:25 |
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| alexchadin | one already:) | 14:25 |
| jinquan | retarget just a moment ago :) | 14:25 |
| jed56 | okay great! | 14:26 |
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| jed56 | #topic open discussion | 14:26 |
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| jed56 | There are many specifications which have been reviewed several times but they need a core reviewer agreement for merging | 14:26 |
| jed56 | Do we need to add a new core reviewer to watcher-specs ? | 14:26 |
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| alexchadin | i may try this role | 14:27 |
| jed56 | alexchadin: we should have an election | 14:27 |
| sballe_ | I think we need to wait for acabot since he is the PTL | 14:27 |
| jed56 | we need to wait acabot | 14:27 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:27 |
| vincentfrancoise | sballe_: +1 | 14:27 |
| jed56 | sballe +1 :) | 14:28 |
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| jed56 | #action acabot : Do we need to add a new core reviewer to watcher-specs ? | 14:28 |
| alexchadin | one more question: how may i join watcher driver team at launchpad? through election? | 14:28 |
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| dtardivel | alexchadin: no, I can add you directly | 14:29 |
| jed56 | #action dtardivel add alexchadin in watcher-drivers | 14:30 |
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| alexchadin | i'm in pending state currently | 14:31 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: is working on the implementation of the scoring engine | 14:31 |
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| jed56 | we have question on the implementation on this use case | 14:31 |
| jed56 | As a developer. | 14:31 |
| jed56 | I want to be able to list the available Scoring Engines. So that I can quickly | 14:31 |
| jed56 | identify them and reuse the available predicted results in my strategy, e.g. | 14:31 |
| jed56 | prediction energy consumption of the VMs, predicted CPU of the VMs, etc.” | 14:31 |
| edleafe | jed56: is there a candidate for core reviewer you have in mind? | 14:31 |
| jed56 | edleafe: no | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | jed56: ah. Usually cores are selected based on mastery of the topic, not just to get a higher number | 14:32 |
| jed56 | but we have problem to merge specs :) | 14:32 |
| dtardivel | alexchadin: done. you should receive a confirmation email | 14:32 |
| jed56 | it is maybe due to two core are in holidays | 14:32 |
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| jed56 | edleafe: okay | 14:33 |
| tkaczynski | jed56: actually, this is the use case: | 14:33 |
| edleafe | jed56: understood, but the idea is that you don't make someone core without them first demonstrating an appropriate knowledge level | 14:33 |
| tkaczynski | As a developer. | 14:33 |
| tkaczynski | I want to be able to provide a dynamic list of Scoring Engines in a single | 14:33 |
| tkaczynski | plug-in. So that I can register/unregister similar types of Scoring Engines | 14:33 |
| tkaczynski | without restarting any Watcher service. | 14:33 |
| alexchadin | Great! | 14:33 |
| jed56 | This use case involve a way to discover the available scoring engines. | 14:33 |
| jed56 | It seems that we have two options: | 14:33 |
| jed56 | option 1: extend the RPC API on decision engine (so API calls DE directly) | 14:33 |
| jed56 | option 2: use watcher database so decision engine keeps database up to date and the watcher API get the data from there. | 14:33 |
| edleafe | jed56: I would first find someone whose opinions you trust, and then propose them for core | 14:33 |
| jed56 | edleafe: we will discuss that when acabot will return | 14:34 |
| jed56 | Does somebody want to give his/her opinion ? | 14:34 |
| edleafe | jed56: ok, great | 14:34 |
| tkaczynski | there are important implications for each use case, not sure if we have time to lay them all here, but I'm proposing option 1 | 14:35 |
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| jed56 | tpeoples, edleafe: do you have an opinion ? | 14:35 |
| edleafe | jed56: the DB option seems cleaner | 14:36 |
| jed56 | vtech: h | 14:36 |
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| jed56 | edleafe: i also prefer the option2 to avoid strong coupling | 14:36 |
| jed56 | between th api and de | 14:37 |
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| vmahe1 | vmahe: the same for me | 14:37 |
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| tkaczynski | the biggest problems with option 2: need to keep DB in sync and complicates the implementation of the scoring modules (every developer will have to deal with DB I think) | 14:37 |
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| jed56 | tkaczynski: whay every developer will have to deal with the DB ? | 14:37 |
| jed56 | *why | 14:37 |
| tkaczynski | option 1: data is always in sync, much more simpler implementation of scoring module without dealing with internals of Watcher | 14:38 |
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| tkaczynski | jed56: because every scoring engine plugin will have to handle registration/deregistration of the scoring engines. the list will be dynamic, so some sort of event handling will have to be in place and will be part of the interface / abstract class for each scoring engine | 14:39 |
| vincentfrancoise | I'd rather go for option 2 since I already use this approach to sync goals and strategies into the DB | 14:39 |
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| jinquan | With the function 's increase, maybe it is difficult to avoid deal with DB ? | 14:40 |
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| tkaczynski | actually it's much easier to not use DB I think | 14:40 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: we should add a class in charge of this taks | 14:40 |
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| jed56 | this is not the responsability of the plugins | 14:40 |
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| edleafe | The main determinant is how often this information changes. Making repeated RPC calls only to get the same information is poor design. That's what DBs are for. | 14:41 |
| vtech | very quickly looking at the options I would go with option 1 as well but I am afraid I am not able to see all the consequences. | 14:41 |
| jed56 | We can continue the debate on the openstack-dev mailing list with the watcher tag. | 14:42 |
| tkaczynski | DBs are very bad for integration. the smallest change and you have to update all the clients / parties using a given table | 14:42 |
| jed56 | to let everbody the time to think about it | 14:42 |
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| jed56 | everbody agree ? | 14:42 |
| tkaczynski | I can prepare an initial email and try to explain the context a bit more. what is the email I should use for that? | 14:42 |
| vincentfrancoise | tkaczynski: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | 14:43 |
| vtech | tkaczynski +1 | 14:43 |
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| tkaczynski | ok. and subject with "[watcher]" prefix ? | 14:43 |
| jed56 | #action tkaczynski send a mail to openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org with watcher prefix | 14:44 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: yes | 14:44 |
| jed56 | any other open discussions ? | 14:44 |
| tkaczynski | will I get this email too, or I need to register somewhere? | 14:44 |
| jinquan | i have question: | 14:44 |
| jinquan | migration with target host will broken many instance's important attributes like affinity, anti-affinity. | 14:44 |
| jinquan | So, There are concerns about this bug: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1427772 ? | 14:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427772 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Instance that uses force-host still needs to run some filters" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Anant Kaushik (anantkaushik-nsit) | 14:44 |
| vincentfrancoise | you can take this email as an example: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089244.html | 14:44 |
| jed56 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev | 14:44 |
| tkaczynski | jed56: thanks | 14:44 |
| jed56 | jinquan: i looking | 14:45 |
| vincentfrancoise | If you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1427772/comments/3 | 14:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427772 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Instance that uses force-host still needs to run some filters" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Anant Kaushik (anantkaushik-nsit) | 14:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | It's not meant to be fixed anytime soon | 14:46 |
| jinquan | This bug a long time without treatment, need i try fix? | 14:47 |
| jed56 | it seems that this is not a priority | 14:47 |
| vincentfrancoise | jinquan: not really because the cores do not agree on how to fix it | 14:47 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:47 |
| jed56 | we can maybe discuss that wwith sbauza | 14:47 |
| edleafe | The proposal to run scheduler on migrations is also slowed down | 14:48 |
| jed56 | jinquan: IMHO, this is very neer with select_destinations | 14:48 |
| edleafe | More complicated interactions than first imagined | 14:48 |
| jed56 | near | 14:48 |
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| jed56 | #action acabot take a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1427772 | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427772 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Instance that uses force-host still needs to run some filters" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Anant Kaushik (anantkaushik-nsit) | 14:48 |
| sballe_ | I feel this whole nova scheduler topic is a problem | 14:48 |
| sballe_ | and has always been | 14:48 |
| sballe_ | and now it is hard to fix | 14:49 |
| edleafe | sballe_: Heh, tell me about it | 14:49 |
| jed56 | sballe +1 | 14:49 |
| jed56 | huhu | 14:49 |
| vincentfrancoise | +1 | 14:49 |
| jinquan | oh i see | 14:49 |
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| edleafe | I have been ranting about it since I first wrote parts of it 6 years ago | 14:49 |
| jed56 | edleafe: thanks ! | 14:50 |
| sballe_ | :) I told Sandy thta they were doing it wrong at the Essex summit :) | 14:50 |
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| edleafe | in fact, I'm working on yet another ranty blog post about the scheduler direction | 14:50 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:50 |
| jed56 | What is Essex summit ? | 14:50 |
| sballe_ | let me know if you want any input | 14:50 |
| sballe_ | Essex summit was on 2010 | 14:51 |
| jed56 | ah ! | 14:51 |
| jed56 | woah long time ! | 14:51 |
| sballe_ | or maybe 2011..it was in Boston | 14:51 |
| jinquan | I have a processing method about this bug | 14:51 |
| jinquan | and i will try | 14:51 |
| jinquan | to fix it | 14:51 |
| edleafe | Essex summit was spring 2012 | 14:52 |
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| jed56 | jinquan: you can try. it is good to be brave | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | ok so since then :) | 14:52 |
| edleafe | sballe_: Sandy and I clashed on that more than once. He ended up convincing more people than I did | 14:52 |
| jinquan | jed56 thks, just try :) | 14:53 |
| sballe_ | yeah he wasn't convinced about my apporach either so I decided to do something else. i hate politics | 14:53 |
| jed56 | any other discussions or I can close the meeting ? | 14:53 |
| edleafe | sballe_: there is little joy in "I told you so"s | 14:53 |
| jed56 | lol | 14:53 |
| sballe_ | I agree | 14:53 |
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| sballe_ | because we are still stuck with the bad scheduler | 14:54 |
| jed56 | bye | 14:54 |
| sballe_ | already? | 14:54 |
| jinquan | bye | 14:54 |
| sballe_ | talk to you later... ttyl | 14:54 |
| sballe_ | bye | 14:54 |
| jed56 | sballe_: do you wants yo add something ? | 14:55 |
| vtech | bye | 14:55 |
| sballe_ | nope | 14:55 |
| jed56 | *want | 14:55 |
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| jed56 | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 14:55:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-04-13-14.00.html | 14:55 |
| tpeoples | yeah i think the scheduler thing is going to be a big issue too. sorry for the delay. ttyl | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-04-13-14.00.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-04-13-14.00.log.html | 14:55 |
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| jed56 | sorry i did'nt let you the time to reponse :) | 14:55 |
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| alexchadin | bye | 14:56 |
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| therve | #startmeeting Heat | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 15:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| therve | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 15:00 |
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| jdob | o/ | 15:00 |
| ochuprykov | hi | 15:00 |
| jasond | o/ | 15:00 |
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| elynn | o/ | 15:01 |
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| zaneb | wow, meeting-4, this is really the ghetto | 15:01 |
| therve | shardy, You found your way? :) | 15:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 15:01 |
| therve | zaneb, 15UTC is busy time! I had to kick someone to get it | 15:01 |
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| zaneb | lol | 15:01 |
| jdob | oh oh, rumble at Summit for the less ghetto rooms | 15:01 |
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| therve | #topic Adding itmes to agenda | 15:02 |
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| therve | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-04-13_1500_UTC.29 | 15:02 |
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| therve | #topic Summit sessions | 15:02 |
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| therve | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-heat-sessions | 15:02 |
| zaneb | pleased to see there are now some on the list :) | 15:03 |
| therve | Alright! | 15:03 |
| therve | So the good news is that we have 13 sessions for 12 slots | 15:03 |
| therve | We only need to bump one, or to add it to the meetup topics | 15:03 |
| zaneb | they're not all the right type of sessions though | 15:03 |
| therve | A bunch don't have drivers though | 15:03 |
| zaneb | 2 fishbowl for 4 slots | 15:04 |
| zaneb | 11 working for 8 slots | 15:04 |
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| therve | There 3 TBD ? | 15:04 |
| therve | So now we know where they'll get :) | 15:04 |
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| zaneb | didn't notice that | 15:05 |
| shardy | FWIW re convergence switchover, I did some testing and it appears to be mutually exclusive to performance improvements | 15:05 |
| zaneb | changed them to working, because they are all working-style proposals | 15:05 |
| shardy | we can discuss that further another time tho ;) | 15:05 |
| zaneb | shardy: lol | 15:06 |
| therve | zaneb, I'll move some to fishbowl anyway... | 15:06 |
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| zaneb | shardy: alternative formulation: performance improvements may help convergence even more than they help the legacy code :) | 15:07 |
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| therve | Regarding the one to boot, I think 11 may be a bit early. We can discuss it friday afternoon too | 15:07 |
| prazumovsky | Ok, hello, sorry for lating | 15:07 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Yeah, I was really just commenting on the "why haven't we yet" aspect of the session description | 15:08 |
| zaneb | that is good feeback :) | 15:08 |
| zaneb | feedback* | 15:08 |
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| therve | I don't care that much about 8 too. | 15:10 |
| therve | Comments? | 15:10 |
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| zaneb | I think the idea in 13 needs to die, but maybe having a fishbowl session where we publicly stab it with users present would be a Good Thing | 15:11 |
| shardy | I'm not sure it warrants an entire session unless we turn it into a more general deprecation session | 15:11 |
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| shardy | e.g not just features, but the deprecation issues around resource plugin and template interfaces | 15:12 |
| therve | zaneb, Well it's not a user who put that in :) | 15:12 |
| jdob | zaneb: that was... graphic. | 15:12 |
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| zaneb | I'd be tempted to spike 8 and re-run the very large stacks session from last summit in a fishbowl | 15:16 |
| shardy | zaneb: we could, does that overlap with performance, or can we justify a separate session? | 15:16 |
| therve | zaneb, We need to remove another one if you add one for large stack though | 15:17 |
| jdob | shardy: are performance concerns cropping up for anyone besides tripleo? | 15:17 |
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| zaneb | I think a fishbowl session to find out from other projects (Sahara, TripleO) what the problems still are, and then a working session to decide what to do about that and other performance issues | 15:17 |
| jdob | because I read the large stacks one as pretty much saying "what tripleo is doing" | 15:17 |
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| shardy | jdob: Yeah, sahara was the main one last summit IIRC | 15:18 |
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| jdob | interesting | 15:18 |
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| zaneb | Sahara uses *very* big stacks | 15:18 |
| zaneb | not super-complicated like TripleO AIUI, but very very big | 15:18 |
| jdob | big meaning lots of resources or lots of nesting? | 15:19 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yeah, some of those issues will improve if we generally improve performance, but there's some special concerns around throwing giant stacks at relatively resource constrained heat installations | 15:19 |
| zaneb | lots of resources | 15:19 |
| jdob | (nevermind, we can talk about that outside of this) | 15:19 |
| zaneb | mainly, lots of nova servers to run Hadoop on | 15:19 |
| shardy | the interesting thing is, AFAICT from testing breaking things up via RPC (as we did for nested stacks, and are now doing much more for convergence) is the worst possible thing you can do in that case | 15:19 |
| shardy | I'm experimenting with backing out the StackResource RPC patch (too early to share results) | 15:20 |
| zaneb | yep, which is kind of expected | 15:20 |
| therve | Yeah you trade off some horizontal scaling against pure time | 15:20 |
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| zaneb | scalability and efficiency on a single node are often at odds | 15:21 |
| zaneb | (see also: Hadoop) | 15:21 |
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| shardy | Sure, I guess it's a good discussion then, e.g to what extent we can support both use-cases | 15:21 |
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| shardy | then there is the fact that beyond scaling a few nodes, you run into DB scale limitations (again made worse by convergence) | 15:22 |
| shardy | so it's not like we can just suggest everyone runs 20 node environments | 15:22 |
| zaneb | really? typical nova deployment has a lot more nodes than that hitting the DB | 15:23 |
| zaneb | seems like if we are running into limitations then there may be more efficient ways to use the db than what we are doing | 15:23 |
| therve | Anyway, drifting a bit | 15:24 |
| zaneb | yes, sorry | 15:24 |
| therve | zaneb, So you want one session on large stacks? | 15:24 |
| therve | Then we can remove 8 and 11 | 15:24 |
| therve | I'll see how to arrange sessions | 15:24 |
| shardy | therve: Yeah, sorry, bit of a tangent there | 15:24 |
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| zaneb | so 5, 7, 13 & v. large stacks get fishbowls | 15:25 |
| therve | The schedule is a bit strange with 3 working session, then the 4 bowls and the 5 remaining working | 15:25 |
| zaneb | everything else except 8 & 11 get working sessions? | 15:26 |
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| therve | Sounds good | 15:26 |
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| zaneb | +1 | 15:26 |
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| zaneb | not entirely sure about 13, but we can go with it | 15:27 |
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| therve | Yeah it's a discussion worth having I believe | 15:28 |
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| therve | Urg etherpad | 15:30 |
| zaneb | ok, what just happened to the etherpad | 15:30 |
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| therve | So I reordered the session a bit | 15:32 |
| therve | Should be okay now :) | 15:32 |
| therve | Alright moving on | 15:33 |
| therve | #topic Open discussion | 15:34 |
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| prazumovsky | Want to note that me and ochuprykov are interested in duscussing validation improvements and will be happy to get involving in it implementation | 15:37 |
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| prazumovsky | *involved | 15:37 |
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| ricolin | nice | 15:37 |
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| zaneb | jasond: was that you asking about abandon/adopt bugs? | 15:38 |
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| jasond | zaneb: yes. i wasn't aware of those | 15:38 |
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| jasond | zaneb: i will look into that | 15:38 |
| zaneb | jasond: see my comment at the bottom of the etherpad as well | 15:38 |
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| jasond | zaneb: wow, will look into that too. thanks | 15:38 |
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| rhallisey | #startmeeting kolla | 23:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 23:01:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhallisey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:01 | |
| sdake | o/ | 23:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 23:02 |
| sdake | first :) | 23:02 |
| rhallisey | #topic rollcall | 23:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:02 | |
| inc0 | o/ | 23:02 |
| rhallisey | hello | 23:02 |
| vhosakot | o/ | 23:02 |
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| akwasnie | hi | 23:02 |
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| sdake | this meeting slto always so slow | 23:03 |
| rhallisey | no Jeffrey4l__ ? | 23:03 |
| rhallisey | ya it is.. | 23:03 |
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| sdake | he was burning the midnight oil with me | 23:03 |
| rhallisey | #topic Announcements | 23:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:03 | |
| rhallisey | sdake, go ahead | 23:03 |
| rhallisey | I don't have much | 23:03 |
| sdake | ya we barely have a quroum | 23:04 |
| sdake | I guess peopel can read the logs | 23:04 |
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| rhallisey | we can run though quick | 23:04 |
| sdake | no NNOUNXWMWNRA | 23:04 |
| sdake | no announcements | 23:04 |
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| sdake | speaking off by one there :) | 23:04 |
| vhosakot | ha | 23:04 |
| rhallisey | alright moving on | 23:05 |
| sdake | i didn't update the agenda, but things we need to talk about are | 23:05 |
| rhallisey | #topic Liberty backport planning | 23:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty backport planning (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:05 | |
| inc0 | soo | 23:05 |
| sdake | 1) final schedule for summit ODS sessions, 2) final 2.0.0 tag and planning for 2.0.1 and 3) there wa soething elses | 23:05 |
| rhallisey | roger that | 23:05 |
| sdake | ya backports | 23:05 |
| rhallisey | inc0, do you have anything regarding this topic? | 23:05 |
| sdake | thats the osmething else | 23:05 |
| inc0 | yes I acutally hace | 23:06 |
| inc0 | so it seems one big patch is best way to go | 23:06 |
| sdake | inc0 according to dims? | 23:07 |
| inc0 | according to dhellman | 23:07 |
| sdake | cool | 23:07 |
| sdake | wfm then :) | 23:07 |
| inc0 | either that or we talk to infra | 23:07 |
| sdake | whats the infra option | 23:07 |
| inc0 | don't know yet | 23:08 |
| rhallisey | do we want to mention this to the ML? | 23:08 |
| sdake | ok they have a ialing list | 23:08 |
| rhallisey | add it on to that thread from before | 23:08 |
| sdake | opentack-infra | 23:08 |
| sdake | lets use the infra miaing list if we ask them soemthing sepcific | 23:08 |
| sdake | i guess i'd like to know whaat we would sk | 23:08 |
| dhellmann | inc0 : that's not quite what I said. I suggested making your mitaka version work with liberty, too, but you didn't like that. Merging a bunch of commits from your mitaka or master branches into liberty is going to cause you problems, which cherry-picking will avoid. | 23:08 |
| sdake | if doug said superpatch was way to go | 23:08 |
| sdake | didi doug suggestconsulting infra? | 23:08 |
| inc0 | dhellmann, well, sorry for misunderstanding | 23:09 |
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| dhellmann | it'll cause other problems, namely not being able to get the stable tag if you want it | 23:09 |
| sdake | yes we want thestable tag | 23:10 |
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| inc0 | what I meant is coexisting liberty and mitaka will be really messy | 23:10 |
| dhellmann | inc0: nah, it's what we settled on as the best of a bunch of bad options but I didn't want anyone to have the impression I thought it was a good idea | 23:10 |
| sdake | howeer is tht dependent on all branches being well managed? | 23:10 |
| sdake | because going forwrd all branches will be wel managed | 23:10 |
| inc0 | yeah, it is better of bunch of evils | 23:10 |
| inc0 | I agree on that | 23:10 |
| dhellmann | sdake : backporting a bunch of feature work will make that unlikely. you'll have to check with tonyb about those policies, though. | 23:10 |
| sdake | dhellmann its a one time thing | 23:11 |
| sdake | we are never doing this again ever in the history of mankind | 23:11 |
| inc0 | even in future of mankind;) | 23:11 |
| sdake | it woulndl't bee necessary except kolla 1.0.0 has a fatal flaw | 23:11 |
| dhellmann | sdake : you should read http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/stable_follows-policy.html and http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 23:11 |
| dhellmann | and then talk to tonyb before making your decision | 23:11 |
| sdake | dhellmann ack i'll red that | 23:12 |
| sdake | eventually we kill stable branches right? :) | 23:12 |
| inc0 | well in any case, one big patch will cause least of a mess from a technical standpoint | 23:12 |
| tonyb | sdake: I don't think so | 23:12 |
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| sdake | tonyb is hte stable branches maintainer? | 23:12 |
| tonyb | sdake: ACK | 23:13 |
| sdake | tonyb sorry dont htink so which | 23:13 |
| inc0 | but we'll lose history but we can point to history of stable/mitaka, this will be effectively it | 23:13 |
| sdake | the problem is 1.0.0 has a fatal flaw whih causes data loss which we cant fix | 23:14 |
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| sdake | without esentially bringing in the entire new ocde base | 23:14 |
| sdake | there is no surgical fix | 23:14 |
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| sdake | in the future there will be no feature backports | 23:15 |
| sdake | only critical and high severity bug fixes imo | 23:15 |
| sdake | tonyb do yo uthink that owuld meet requirements for stable tag? | 23:15 |
| tonyb | sdake: okay /me bogging dow the meeting probably isn't productive. Add me to the review/discussion and I'll come up to speed | 23:16 |
| sdake | tonyb ok we can dooffline if you like | 23:16 |
| inc0 | tonyb, let me dig out ML thread | 23:16 |
| sdake | but we can bog down the meeting now - its ok with me :) | 23:16 |
| inc0 | bogging down meeting might be better as we have core team here | 23:17 |
| sdake | right | 23:17 |
| sdake | this isn't a rathole form my perspective | 23:17 |
| tonyb | okay | 23:17 |
| inc0 | and I think everyone agrees that this is actually fairly important thing | 23:17 |
| vhosakot | yes, I feel this is important | 23:18 |
| sdake | the entire core team wants this done tonyb | 23:18 |
| inc0 | tonyb, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090813.html | 23:18 |
| sdake | there isn't a single detractor - unimous agreement | 23:18 |
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| Jeffrey4l__ | o/ sorry for late. | 23:19 |
| sdake | if i could spell after being awak for 35 hrs | 23:19 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l__ all good | 23:19 |
| lifeless | sleep isn't actually optional, you know | 23:19 |
| vhosakot | sdake: I sleep on the keyboard | 23:19 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299563/ tonyb this is review that makes all the changes required | 23:19 |
| Jeffrey4l__ | yea, take care sdake | 23:19 |
| rhallisey | guys let's move on and let tonyb catch up | 23:19 |
| sdake | so tonyb | 23:19 |
| sdake | read thread | 23:20 |
| sdake | we will come back to this topic ok ? | 23:20 |
| inc0 | our plan was to rebase this PS to stable/mitaka | 23:20 |
| sdake | if you don't mind being interrupted that is | 23:20 |
| * tonyb is reading the thread and the review | 23:20 | |
| inc0 | and somehow make stable/liberty have exactly this code | 23:20 |
| rhallisey | tonyb, thanks | 23:20 |
| rhallisey | ok next up.. | 23:20 |
| rhallisey | #topic final schedule for summit | 23:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "final schedule for summit (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:20 | |
| rhallisey | sdake, do you have a link | 23:20 |
| * rhallisey looks | 23:20 | |
| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-summit | 23:21 |
| rhallisey | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-summit | 23:21 |
| sdake | we have 4 fishbowl sessions | 23:21 |
| sdake | 10 design sessions | 23:21 |
| inc0 | wow, that's cool space | 23:21 |
| sdake | I offered to work withthe security team on one of our design sessions | 23:21 |
| sdake | so we really hve 9 free deign sessions | 23:21 |
| inc0 | +1 to that | 23:21 |
| sdake | I have analyzed the votes | 23:21 |
| sdake | and I'll jut go bsaed upon the otes | 23:22 |
| sdake | if there are objections to that | 23:22 |
| sdake | let me know | 23:22 |
| sdake | if you have conflicts | 23:22 |
| sdake | let me know | 23:22 |
| sdake | so I can keep the important sessions conflict free | 23:22 |
| sdake | the full schedule is posted on the mailing list from ttx | 23:23 |
| vhosakot | sdake: the link has topics ? where is the info about speakers of those topics ? | 23:23 |
| sdake | these are design sessions | 23:23 |
| sdake | no speakers | 23:23 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, design sessions aren't really talks | 23:23 |
| vhosakot | we all speak.. got it :) | 23:23 |
| inc0 | we just sit by the table and argue | 23:23 |
| inc0 | raretly hit each other | 23:24 |
| sdake | someone typically takes notes and everyone else talks | 23:24 |
| sdake | last time pual took notes | 23:24 |
| sdake | but this time I'll likely be doingthat | 23:24 |
| rhallisey | cool | 23:24 |
| vhosakot | hitting or taking notes ? ;) | 23:24 |
| rhallisey | vhosakot, notes :) | 23:24 |
| inc0 | hitting with notebooks | 23:24 |
| rhallisey | ok cool that's covered | 23:25 |
| rhallisey | #topic final 2.0.0 tag and planning for 2.0.1 | 23:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "final 2.0.0 tag and planning for 2.0.1 (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:25 | |
| sdake | is it covered | 23:25 |
| sdake | wait | 23:25 |
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| sdake | can we get a rollcall vote | 23:25 |
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| rhallisey | what's the undo | 23:25 |
| rhallisey | #undo | 23:25 |
| sdake | to my proposed plan | 23:25 |
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| sdake | there ya go | 23:25 |
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| sdake | so biovusl yI am +1 to my own plan since its the best i'vegot :) | 23:26 |
| sdake | note I need to enter this data last week | 23:26 |
| sdake | so i need a decision now :) | 23:26 |
| rhallisey | +1 | 23:26 |
| inc0 | sdake, where is this proposed plan? | 23:26 |
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| sdake | i just stated it in irc | 23:26 |
| sdake | see lines 32 and 33 | 23:27 |
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| sdake | and comments about avoiding conflicts in your schedules | 23:27 |
| vhosakot | sdake: what are we voting for again ? for this --> "I'll jut go bsaed upon the otes" | 23:27 |
| inc0 | ah, about sessions | 23:27 |
| sdake | to avoid conflicts in yur schedules, I need to know when your schedules conflict with our ods sessions | 23:27 |
| sdake | vhosakot right | 23:27 |
| sdake | and that people will actually send me their scheduled conflicts | 23:28 |
| sdake | that didn't happen last time | 23:28 |
| sdake | and we had multiple core reviewers missing from critical sessions | 23:28 |
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| inc0 | sdake, can you reach out to Mirantis folks if they still want kolla-mesos sessions? | 23:28 |
| sdake | inc0 waiting on mail to the ml | 23:29 |
| inc0 | ok | 23:29 |
| sdake | but at this point i'll schedule them if they are voted on | 23:29 |
| sdake | and if things change we can adapt those that are not fishbowl | 23:29 |
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| sdake | fishbowls get locked in | 23:29 |
| vhosakot | sdake: when are the design sessions ? tue-fri ? | 23:29 |
| sdake | the other stuff gets burried ithe schedule | 23:29 |
| inc0 | wed-tue | 23:30 |
| sdake | tuesdady is cross project | 23:30 |
| inc0 | fri is meeting | 23:30 |
| inc0 | meetup | 23:30 |
| sdake | wed and thur are our sessions | 23:30 |
| sdake | we he ful day meetup on friday | 23:30 |
| inc0 | ah, true | 23:30 |
| inc0 | sorry:( | 23:30 |
| sdake | no apologies needed :) | 23:30 |
| vhosakot | so, you are checking conflicts for which day ? wed and thur ? | 23:30 |
| sdake | right | 23:30 |
| akwasnie | we have presenttion with inc0 and elemoine_ on Wed 27 11:00am-11:40am | 23:30 |
| sdake | mail me personally | 23:30 |
| sdake | mail me | 23:30 |
| akwasnie | oh ok | 23:31 |
| sdake | asap :) i'll enter the data in tomorrow morning | 23:31 |
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| sdake | when i recover from that webinar :) | 23:31 |
| vhosakot | sdake: send us the recording of the webinar | 23:31 |
| rhallisey | vhosakot, I'll link it at the end | 23:32 |
| vhosakot | coo, thanks! | 23:32 |
| rhallisey | ok lets go over tagging | 23:32 |
| rhallisey | sdake, what do where you gong to tag? | 23:32 |
| sdake | huh | 23:32 |
| rhallisey | I think you mentioned it earlier, I forgot though | 23:32 |
| sdake | you mean the releases repo? | 23:32 |
| sdake | we will cover that friday | 23:33 |
| sdake | of ods | 23:33 |
| sdake | releases repo training and gate training friday | 23:33 |
| rhallisey | no tagging M | 23:33 |
| sdake | oh 4/15 | 23:33 |
| rhallisey | ok cool | 23:33 |
| sdake | i'll do that | 23:33 |
| sdake | but ya thats the deadline | 23:33 |
| vhosakot | this is 2.0.0 tagging right ? | 23:33 |
| sdake | right | 23:33 |
| rhallisey | anything to mention about 2.0.1 | 23:33 |
| sdake | yes 2.0.0 | 23:33 |
| sdake | here is the idea | 23:33 |
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| sdake | we fix as mmany high and critical bugs in mitaka as possible by friday | 23:34 |
| sdake | we only ahe a few of those left that aren't already in master | 23:34 |
| sdake | the rest we can handle in a z stream | 23:34 |
| sdake | as in 2.0.1 in 1 month or so | 23:34 |
| inc0 | we can have bugbash session in Austin | 23:35 |
| sdake | inc0 possibly | 23:35 |
| sdake | point is we hae 2 dys | 23:35 |
| sdake | to fix the critical/highs | 23:35 |
| sdake | i'll tag friday evening | 23:35 |
| sdake | stable/mitaka is looking good in my tests | 23:35 |
| rhallisey | same | 23:36 |
| sdake | if you are going to fix a medium/low thats fine too | 23:36 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l__ you ohave a bunch of bugs in high | 23:36 |
| sdake | any you want to give up to distribute the load | 23:36 |
| Jeffrey4l__ | sdake, got | 23:37 |
| rhallisey | #topic Open Discussion | 23:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 23:37 | |
| rhallisey | M was a great cycle | 23:38 |
| sdake | tonyb | 23:38 |
| rhallisey | :) | 23:38 |
| sdake | its not over yet rh:) | 23:38 |
| rhallisey | roger | 23:38 |
| sdake | tonyb did you hae a chance to catch up to where we are ;) | 23:38 |
| tonyb | Phew that's a lot of context to try and grok (pre-coffee) | 23:38 |
| sdake | sorry | 23:38 |
| sdake | if you need more time | 23:38 |
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| tonyb | sdake: np | 23:38 |
| sdake | we can provide it | 23:38 |
| tonyb | sdake: Well we'll see *if* I grokked it. | 23:38 |
| sdake | but we want to get moving quckly | 23:38 |
| sdake | as soon as mitaka is done, we want to do the liberty backport in the sanest way possible that doesn't excludee us from governance tags | 23:39 |
| sdake | tonyb one approach is to try to repeat it, another is to query us on the details | 23:40 |
| sdake | tonyb or maybee there areother appraoches - up to you ;) | 23:41 |
| tonyb | I think what you're proposing would invalidate stable:follows-policy | 23:41 |
| sdake | permanently? | 23:41 |
| tonyb | I'm not sure I understand the difference from the current plan and "abandoning liberty" isn't that what you're doign by stealth? | 23:41 |
| tonyb | sdake: nothing in permanent ;P | 23:41 |
| sdake | no we are keeping liberty | 23:41 |
| sdake | we are abanodning 1.0.0 as a dead tag | 23:42 |
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| inc0 | tonyb, since we're deployment tool, it's really about what version of openstack we deploy | 23:42 |
| inc0 | and right now stable/liberty deploys liberty, only with critical flwa | 23:42 |
| sdake | idea is to tag 1.1.0 | 23:42 |
| inc0 | so we want to give operators a chance to deploy liberty without critical flaw | 23:42 |
| tonyb | inc0: Yeah deployment tools lok kolla/osa require different thinking ;P | 23:42 |
| inc0 | kinda, true | 23:43 |
| tonyb | sdake: but *what* will that tag be ? | 23:43 |
| sdake | different on our part or governance erpo part? | 23:43 |
| inc0 | some of deployment tools explicitly deploy N-1 version | 23:43 |
| inc0 | like Fuel | 23:43 |
| sdake | tonyb the 1.1.0 tag will be tagged from the stable/liberty branch | 23:43 |
| inc0 | we would like to deploy N, so liberty kolla deploys liberty | 23:43 |
| sdake | the stable/liberty branch will contain the current contents of mitaka made to work with liberty | 23:43 |
| inc0 | only reason we go to this lengths is to provide ops good way to deploy liberty while keeping our "liberty deploys liberty" policy | 23:44 |
| tonyb | ahh okat that's a point I was missing | 23:45 |
| tonyb | so stable/liberty would install liberty BUT basically be the same kolla code as stable/mitaka + work to make it install liberty | 23:46 |
| inc0 | yeah | 23:46 |
| tonyb | and be tagged 1.1.0 | 23:46 |
| inc0 | correct | 23:46 |
| inc0 | and this is one time thing mind you | 23:46 |
| tonyb | inc0: sure | 23:46 |
| sdake | ya after this no more o that nonsense | 23:47 |
| inc0 | mitaka will not be ever deployed by newton code | 23:47 |
| inc0 | dependencies killed us :( (damn you ansible!) | 23:47 |
| sdake | tonyb so if it requires governance changes to handle deployment projects which are a special beast | 23:47 |
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| sdake | i can do that | 23:47 |
| sdake | to unblock us from not being taggable | 23:48 |
| tonyb | inc0: tangent .... how is this not a problem for OSA id it's ansible that's the root cause? | 23:48 |
| sdake | its docker thats the root cause | 23:48 |
| tonyb | sdake: okay. | 23:48 |
| sdake | osa doesn't use docker | 23:48 |
| inc0 | tonyb, there was bug in ansible 1.9 in docker module | 23:48 |
| tonyb | that's not what sdake said | 23:49 |
| sdake | the issue is docker data containers don't work as advertised | 23:49 |
| inc0 | and ansible refused to fix it in 1.9 branch, and 2.0 is not backward compatible and wasn't even released back then | 23:49 |
| sdake | inc0 is talking about a different side-beenfit :) | 23:49 |
| tonyb | Ahhh "refused to fix" | 23:49 |
| Jeffrey4l__ | another issue is docker add more new feature recently and backport the code is very difficult. | 23:49 |
| sdake | data conianers cause data loss | 23:49 |
| inc0 | sdake, but reason we couldn't use docker 1.9 with volumes was because of ansible bug | 23:49 |
| sdake | inc0 oh right | 23:49 |
| tonyb | okay. I think I'm gettign it now. | 23:49 |
| inc0 | tonyb, by refused to fix I mean they said "it will be fixed by 2.0" | 23:49 |
| sdake | so we need to backport kolla_docker | 23:49 |
| sdake | which is sort of a feature | 23:50 |
| inc0 | we wrote our own docker module in Mitaka;) | 23:50 |
| tonyb | *can* it be fixed in 1.9? | 23:50 |
| sdake | we hae fixed it by writing our own docker module | 23:50 |
| inc0 | yeah, by replacing it by our own code | 23:50 |
| sdake | ansible module to integrate with docker | 23:50 |
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| tonyb | Ahh and that's the main thing you're backporting | 23:50 |
| sdake | this requires massive changes to all of the playboosk | 23:50 |
| inc0 | yeah, and that was a lot of work | 23:50 |
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| inc0 | and it affected a lot of our code | 23:51 |
| sdake | (to use this new module) | 23:51 |
| inc0 | so instead of trying to get this logic out of mitaka (we tried and failed) we decided to make mitaka deploy liberty, and that worked without big effort | 23:51 |
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| tonyb | inc0: and that's basically https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299563 | 23:52 |
| sdake | t-8 minutes | 23:52 |
| inc0 | tonyb, correct | 23:52 |
| tonyb | which shows up on master because in March stable/mitaka didn't exist? | 23:52 |
| inc0 | yup | 23:52 |
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| inc0 | I'll rebase it to stable mitaka as soon as we tag | 23:52 |
| sdake | that patch isn't going into master | 23:52 |
| tonyb | okay | 23:53 |
| inc0 | no, it will not go to stable mitaka as well | 23:53 |
| sdake | it would go into stable/liberty | 23:53 |
| inc0 | but it will represent code which we want to be stable liberty | 23:53 |
| sdake | after a megapatch is applied on the table/liberty branch | 23:53 |
| tonyb | so at some point you'll do the equivielent of git co stable/liberty ; git reset --hard stable/mitaka ; git push | 23:53 |
| inc0 | pretty much, yeah | 23:53 |
| tonyb | and then add that review | 23:53 |
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| sdake | it might require a couple extra reviews to enable centos binary as well | 23:54 |
| inc0 | in fact that would be best if we could do that because that would retain git history | 23:54 |
| tonyb | sdake: sure. | 23:54 |
| inc0 | well yeah, and maybe something on this | 23:54 |
| inc0 | but tha'ts besides point | 23:54 |
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| inc0 | another way we can do it is git co stable/liberty, git diff stable mitaka -> make massive patch out of it and merge it as one massive patch | 23:55 |
| sdake | dhellmann thanks for pointing u at tonyb ;) | 23:55 |
| inc0 | but git history is lost | 23:55 |
| tonyb | Okay I'm pretty sure I understand what and why you're doign it | 23:55 |
| inc0 | don't hit us too hard:( | 23:55 |
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| tonyb | inc0: well you can tag the liberty branch with liberty-early-demise or similar to not loose the history | 23:56 |
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| tonyb | inc0: :) | 23:56 |
| inc0 | well, history will be lost from liberty to mitaka | 23:56 |
| sdake | tonyb you mean i should tag prior to this backport | 23:56 |
| inc0 | because patch will be massive and will not contain commits it was build by | 23:57 |
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| rhallisey | 3 minutes | 23:57 |
| sdake | t-3 minutes - may have to overflow into #openstack-kolla | 23:57 |
| inc0 | tonyb, if you have time we can move it to #openstack-kolla | 23:57 |
| rhallisey | just want to link one thing | 23:57 |
| tonyb | sdake: Yeah you need to tag stable/liberty (with early-demise or similar befoer you do the reset) | 23:57 |
| sdake | inc0 i have a meeting conflict but i trust you cn handle it | 23:57 |
| tonyb | inc0: ACK | 23:58 |
| rhallisey | #link https://vimeopro.com/midokura/345kl392 | 23:58 |
| rhallisey | ^ sdake's video | 23:58 |
| vhosakot | thanks rhallisey! | 23:58 |
| inc0 | nice! | 23:58 |
| sdake | tonyb the one quetion is does that stop us from applying for specificc tags? | 23:58 |
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| tonyb | sdake: it doesn't stop you *applying* but I'd -1 your application for stable:follows-policy | 23:59 |
| tonyb | sdake: while liberty was a thing) | 23:59 |
| sdake | thats 3 cycles? | 23:59 |
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