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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 13:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 13:00 |
| tojuvone | Hi | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | ok, today is quiet | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | let's start the meeting | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | #topic Nova Microversion testing in Tempest | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova Microversion testing in Tempest (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:02 | |
| oomichi | hi | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | gmann isn't here, but looks like good progress | 13:02 |
| edleafe | o/ | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | i think we can skip this now, let's go next | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | #topic API ref doc | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API ref doc (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:03 | |
| * edleafe is split between meeting and phone | 13:03 | |
| alex_xu | sdague: I added topic at here, do you want to track the work from now? | 13:03 |
| sdague | sure, that sounds like a good plan | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | I see you begin to restack the patches | 13:03 |
| sdague | here is where we stand | 13:04 |
| sdague | the giant WIP stream is now a 2 patch series in nova | 13:04 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:wip_api_docs2 | 13:04 |
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| sdague | the first patch is the infrastructure, which includes the sphinx extension | 13:04 |
| sdague | the second patch is content for servers & versions | 13:05 |
| sdague | the api-ref build publish jobs are now a thing | 13:05 |
| sdague | so with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298763/ | 13:05 |
| sdague | you can see the built api-ref - http://docs-draft.openstack.org/63/298763/4/check/gate-nova-api-ref/6983838//api-ref/build/html/ | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | so cool we already have job at here | 13:06 |
| sdague | yes, that was done yesterday | 13:06 |
| sdague | it doesn't publish anywhere on merge yet | 13:06 |
| sdague | but we can see what the output will be | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool, what is next plan? | 13:06 |
| sdague | those 2 changes should probably get reviewed for real, and we should land something | 13:07 |
| sdague | next up, auggy, annegentle, and karen are working on the wadl2rst converter | 13:07 |
| sdague | so hopefully in a week or two we could bulk import most of the data | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | maybe we should change the topic name, it make people it still in WIP | 13:07 |
| sdague | then do fixups | 13:08 |
| oomichi | sdague: after your patch, we will remove the content of nova api from api-site repo, right? | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool, import the *.rst parameters.yaml, right? | 13:08 |
| sdague | oomichi: after we get the entire thing working and publishing | 13:08 |
| sdague | oomichi: I expect the cut over to be after Austin for sure | 13:09 |
| oomichi | sdague: ok, I got the point | 13:09 |
| sdague | I expect once we get the bulk import of data we're going to need to do a week long doc sprint to fix things that didn't convert properly | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | ++ | 13:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thats looking awesome, so we have the framework and example up, so we can then add in the details afterwards | 13:10 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: right, that was the attempt | 13:10 |
| sdague | it demonstrates this as multiple rst files | 13:10 |
| sdague | which is how I expect we'll manage it | 13:10 |
| oomichi | yeah, nice steps for moving forward | 13:11 |
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| sdague | so, next steps, please review those so we can have the framework and initial data in tree | 13:11 |
| * edleafe applauds sdague | 13:11 | |
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| * alex_xu begin to review from tomorrow | 13:12 | |
| johnthetubaguy | is the plan to later extract the plugin to the docutils I guess? | 13:12 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yes, once we get all the formatting quirks sorted out | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: cool | 13:12 |
| sdague | right now it's going to be easier to fix things if it stays in tree | 13:13 |
| sdague | because once we extract it, we'll have to cut releases of the extension for it to be used by projects | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, sounds like totally the right call | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking along similar lines for the feature classification matrix plugin | 13:13 |
| sdague | my expectation is that we'll extract it during second milestone | 13:13 |
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| sdague | ok, I think that's about it on that front. We're making good progress. | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks for making this forward | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | if no more question, we will move to next topic | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 13:16 |
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| alex_xu | let's talk about newton works | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-api-ideas | 13:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it sounds like we have our work cut out with microversion docs and testing, once we have the above stuff in place? | 13:17 |
| cdent | I have a gabbi-related spec for api testing that I'll add to the etherpad | 13:17 |
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| sdague | I think that after API docs, the top user features would be discoverable policy and structured errors | 13:18 |
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| sdague | which is the things I'd want to prioritize | 13:18 |
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| alex_xu | I also see something the summit ideas etherpad also | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | so...let go the api ideas etherpad first i think | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | how about let us list out the thing we think about for newton? | 13:19 |
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| alex_xu | am i still online? | 13:19 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yeh, it was just delayed for a minute | 13:19 |
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| alex_xu | ok...network delay | 13:19 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: yes, looks like discoverable policy on the top | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 your points there around policy and errors being the big things | 13:20 |
| sdague | I'll be honest, I'm not super excited about swapping out test infrastructures given the amount of churn that ends up being | 13:20 |
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| sdague | doing something in parallel might be fine to demonstrate | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | error wise, were we thinking about fixing up instance actions, or starting something more task-ey? | 13:20 |
| cdent | yeah, my preference would not be to replace the api-samples, but to augment | 13:20 |
| cdent | I've just added a link on the spec to somewhere I'm using it for tdd | 13:21 |
| sdague | cdent: yeh, I think that's fine as a low priority background thing during the cycle. Though it does make another dsl people need to remember during reviews. | 13:21 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: error wise, there is a spec from the api-wg about returning json structured errors | 13:21 |
| sdague | instead of just http status code + free form text | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I was thinking more about async error stuff | 13:22 |
| sdague | so we could actually tell people more specific things like "bare metal computes don't support live migrations" | 13:22 |
| sdague | instead of 400 | 13:22 |
| tojuvone | That would be neat | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | yes, like that | 13:23 |
| sdague | it would also get us out of these odd binds about trying to put more meaning into http error codes than really exist | 13:23 |
| sdague | and, we've actually found that in many of our tests we test for a condition which can be created by multiple kinds of failures, and we're actually passing for the wrong reasons | 13:23 |
| sdague | https://github.com/openstack/api-wg/blob/master/guidelines/errors-example.json | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats all good stuff too | 13:24 |
| sdague | my feeling is the way you'd implement this in Nova is to add error names out our extensions | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess I was more worried about users telling if things like a snapshot had finished, and if it was a success or not | 13:25 |
| cdent | fix the error message is only half the solution to that problem... | 13:25 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: sure, that's also a concern | 13:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thats the whole task-ey thing | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | although being more precise about the errors seems like a good building block for all that | 13:25 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: so, to be honest, I don't think we can do tasks until we get 3 core team members devoting the cycle to it | 13:26 |
| sdague | cdent: sure, but it's also a big issue that there are times we want to communicate detailed reasons about why things are wrong, and we fail to | 13:26 |
| sdague | I think laski has a spec up for discoverable policy | 13:27 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/290155 | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I need to catch up with alaski as thats duplicating what I was trying with the cross project idea: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298686 | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | although I think we are starting to converge on concert proposals, so thats all good | 13:28 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: I feel like most of the time cross project specs aren't all that useful until they are demonstrated in a project | 13:29 |
| sdague | they get too abstract quickly | 13:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, I agree really, I just did the cross project one first as I thought there was a completing direction that was gaining more traction | 13:31 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, no prob | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, totally don't think we should wait for cross project agreement, lets take one for the team, and try make policy work | 13:31 |
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| alex_xu | any more item, we care about in newton? | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | that sounds like a good pile of stuff to focus on | 13:33 |
| sdague | policy currently has a spec | 13:33 |
| sdague | api docs has a specless blueprint | 13:33 |
| sdague | if structured errors is a thing, it probably needs a spec and an owner | 13:34 |
| cdent | "has a spec" sounds vaguely like "has a posse" | 13:34 |
| sdague | :) | 13:34 |
| sdague | well, it has a spec and an owner in laski | 13:34 |
| sdague | I want to make sure that if we are agreeing on priorities, the priorities all have a driver on them | 13:34 |
| cdent | laski is a posse all by himself | 13:34 |
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| sdague | otherwise they will likely not happen | 13:34 |
| sdague | cdent: ++ | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am interested in helping with policy, but I don't think I can take on the error stuff | 13:35 |
| sdague | should we take this conversation to the mailing list? | 13:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: that sounds like a good idea | 13:36 |
| sdague | maybe I can summarize a proposed set of priorities, some things we should do a low priority, and what sort of things we'd need to move forward on | 13:36 |
| sdague | and we can have discussion there | 13:36 |
| alex_xu | if structured errors is a thing and no one can help, I can help on it | 13:37 |
| sdague | #action sdague to put mailing list post out discussing API priorities in mitaka | 13:37 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool, thanks | 13:37 |
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| alex_xu | anything we want to talk about in another etherpad? | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | it's also about policy. one more thing is flavor extra spec | 13:39 |
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| sdague | (fyi, got to drop shortly for a bit, will catch up on additional conversation in logs) | 13:39 |
| alex_xu | ok, if no more question on priority, let's move on | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090687.html | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | I have agenda, for a patch whether need microversion. | 13:41 |
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| alex_xu | 'delete_on_termination' always false in the swap volume api, and it behaviour as when it born | 13:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so after you call swap volume, it breaks delete_on_termination? | 13:42 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yes, delete_on_termination won't be keep, if we call it as 'break' | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | this sounds like a bug in swap_volume, and doesn't really need a microversion | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so here is my thinking why... | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we added a new swap volume microversion, we would probably want all API versions to not hard code delete_on_termination anyways | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we may as well not add the microversion, unless we want to make it easy to discover a system that has this fix | 13:44 |
| alex_xu | ok, if we think it is a break, i prefer just no microversion | 13:45 |
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| oomichi | then, we will need to backport it into stables also without microversion bumps | 13:46 |
| oomichi | that seems good for me | 13:47 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi: backport to mitaka? | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: yeah, good point, its something we could backport then | 13:48 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: yeah, I think so if we consider it as a bug | 13:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I often mess up these things, but it feels like a bug | 13:49 |
| alex_xu | my concern it is old api, only backport to mitaka isn't enough, that is why i think we need a microversion | 13:49 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: yeah, we faced similar situation before without microversion bump | 13:49 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: but the latest microversions are different between releases. impossible to bump microversion due to different versioning | 13:50 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi: yes | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | ok, if people think it is right way to go, i will remove the -2 | 13:51 |
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| oomichi | we could have x.y.Z for this kind of thing | 13:51 |
| oomichi | on version number | 13:51 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: +1 | 13:52 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let's move | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296995 | 13:53 |
| tojuvone | That's me | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | tojuvone: yea, your turn | 13:53 |
| tojuvone | so the have maintenance with time period set when it is | 13:53 |
| tojuvone | and more | 13:54 |
| alex_xu | tojuvone: the time period is just for a record? nova won't do anything based on the time period? | 13:54 |
| tojuvone | as of sdague comment wanted also to have opinions about how much of this should land in Nova | 13:55 |
| tojuvone | time period is at least important to owner of server. Telco use case he can prepare.. maybe there could be even oneflag more when host is really down | 13:55 |
| tojuvone | Telco aplication is very keen on things effecting to server state and wants to know | 13:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | advertising the expected maintenance window makes a lot of sense to me, but I think we should really look slightly wider at what the user needs to know | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we have the host state working in a way that can tell users when the maintenance has started and finished, but we might need to re-think a few bits of that | 13:58 |
| tojuvone | At least like when is the maintenance window palnned and when will the server be down becasue of it | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | tojuvone: can we get folks from the large operators group to review this spec? | 13:58 |
| tojuvone | service enable/disable is only for not allow scheduling, right | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | tojuvone: yes, I think we need more than that, but its a start | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | for example, we want new builds to go to machines that have the maintenance complete, even if that was done before the expected window started, etc, etc | 13:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we need to sit back and look at the bigger picture a little, and see what work that generates | 13:59 |
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| tojuvone | yes, there is planty of more stuff.. also like what to do with servers | 14:00 |
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| tojuvone | they can stay on host, be removed or moved (migrate) | 14:00 |
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| alex_xu | oops, sorry guys, we run out of time | 14:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:00 |
| sballe_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 14:01:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| dtardivel | o/ | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-03-30-13.00.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-03-30-13.00.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-03-30-13.00.log.html | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | let move back to nova channel | 14:01 |
| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 14:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
| acabot | hello | 14:01 |
| brunograz | hi | 14:01 |
| gzhai2 | hello | 14:01 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting\o | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| acabot | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#03.2F30.2F2016 | 14:01 |
| edleafe | doh! | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
| tkaczynski | hi | 14:01 |
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| acabot | edleafe : nice try;-) | 14:01 |
| jed56 | (*_*) | 14:01 |
| edleafe | acabot: heh | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | acabot: can you give me access to the slides? | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | email is sleipnir012@gmail.com | 14:02 |
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| alexchadin | hi | 14:02 |
| tpeoples | Hi | 14:03 |
| acabot | sorry just refresh the agenda | 14:03 |
| acabot | and the link should work now | 14:03 |
| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
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| acabot | #info contributing page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher/Contributing#Blueprints has been updated to reflect discussions of past meetings about bugs and BPs states | 14:04 |
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| acabot | #info a final version of slides for the OpenStack summit is available at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pGaimFOkpZ66bWH8wWkc5eZLvxFovUj2V3YfZsQMKHE/edit?usp=sharing | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:05 |
| acabot | as the summit schedule is now available, we can start defining meeting times for Watcher | 14:05 |
| acabot | we will be 4 people from bcom, dtardivel, vincentmahe, xavier & acabot | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | intel will be sballe, tkaczynski and nishi | 14:06 |
| acabot | who will be there from IBM ? | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | gzhai2: are you coming too? | 14:07 |
| gzhai2 | sballe_: No :( | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | I asked for you to attend so I was hoping you could | 14:07 |
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| acabot | tpeoples: will you be at the summit ? | 14:08 |
| gzhai2 | budget... | 14:08 |
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| sballe_ | hmmm | 14:08 |
| tpeoples | acabot: jwcroppe, me, i'm guessing edleafe? plus some other people from my team since we're based in austin | 14:08 |
| acabot | tpeoples: ok ;-) | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | I'll be making the long journey from San Antonio... | 14:08 |
| acabot | ok | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:08 |
| acabot | can we start freezing timeframes for meeting or its too early ? | 14:09 |
| sballe_ | my family will be going ot San Antonio sightseeing while I am at OpenStack | 14:09 |
| sballe_ | acabot: sure. | 14:09 |
| tpeoples | +1 | 14:09 |
| jinquan | zte will be me | 14:09 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I won;t be there Fri due to a personal commitement | 14:09 |
| acabot | I had a discussion with hvprash from walmart to set up a meeting on tuesday afternoon | 14:09 |
| acabot | jinquan: great to have you there | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | acabot: Tues afternoon +1 | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | acabot: do we know when the brown bag is? | 14:10 |
| jinquan | My main concern is to learn : ) | 14:10 |
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| acabot | I think we can set a meeting 2 to 6pm tuesday | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:11 |
| acabot | and then plan other meetings on wednesday and thursday | 14:11 |
| acabot | so no Watcher meeting on monday | 14:11 |
| edleafe | I'll be buried in the nova design summit meetings, but will try to make some Watcher sessions | 14:12 |
| acabot | #info Watcher team will met at the summit on Tuesday 2-6pm in the developer lounge | 14:12 |
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| acabot | any other announcement ? | 14:12 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:13 |
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| acabot | #info "Achieved goal should be returned by each strategy" has been merged | 14:13 |
| acabot | thx for the quick review | 14:13 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: when to merge its code? | 14:14 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: the specs | 14:14 |
| acabot | gzhai2: im speaking about the specs now | 14:14 |
| gzhai2 | sorry. | 14:14 |
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| acabot | we need reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:15 |
| acabot | alexstav : thx for adding comments to your last PS | 14:15 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : as jed56 did a lot of reviews on the scoring module, we will now review it with dtardivel | 14:16 |
| dtardivel | +1 | 14:16 |
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| tkaczynski | acabot: thanks! | 14:16 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:16 |
| acabot | #action acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:16 |
| tpeoples | acabot: for the specs that are being pushed to N, shall we abandon from the mitaka directory and add them to the newton dir? | 14:16 |
| jed56 | tpeoples +1 | 14:17 |
| acabot | tpeoples : yes we will have to do that but next week as we are still on the mitaka cycle | 14:17 |
| edleafe | tpeoples: generally yes - just re-propose for Newton | 14:17 |
| acabot | tpeoples: I would ask you to do it next week | 14:17 |
| tpeoples | k. my point being i know my BP won't make M so... ok. | 14:17 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski i will a review the last patchset but for me it was good | 14:17 |
| jed56 | :) | 14:18 |
| jed56 | good job | 14:18 |
| acabot | who wants to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ ? | 14:18 |
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| tkaczynski | jed56 thanks :) | 14:19 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: I can have a look. | 14:19 |
| dtardivel | acabot: I think we need now core reviewer on this patchset | 14:20 |
| acabot | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ was locked due to licensing issues, but finally its ok so can we merge it ? | 14:20 |
| tpeoples | acabot: yes | 14:20 |
| acabot | #action gzhai2 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ | 14:20 |
| tpeoples | acabot: spoke with joe, he was fine with it after i explained it to him, but he must not have had time to remove his -1 | 14:21 |
| acabot | sballe_ : could you please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ ? I think its important | 14:21 |
| seanmurphy | i can review something if you like | 14:21 |
| acabot | #action seanmurphy review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ thx sean ;-) | 14:22 |
| seanmurphy | np | 14:22 |
| seanmurphy | by eow? | 14:22 |
| jed56 | acabot before to merge 283449 we should take some comments into account ( global_score = (nb_empty_nodes/nb_migrations*100) => need to handle the case when this is 0.) | 14:22 |
| acabot | edleafe: can we have specs merged in MItaka but implement in Newton ? | 14:22 |
| edleafe | Generally, you re-propose specs that didn't get implemented in a given cycle | 14:23 |
| edleafe | It's usually automatic approval | 14:23 |
| acabot | seanmurphy : ok so before our next meeting would be fine | 14:23 |
| edleafe | But sometimes project priorities can change between cycles | 14:23 |
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| seanmurphy | acabot: ack - will do before next meeting | 14:24 |
| edleafe | The re-approval just helps assure that the old spec is still where you want to go | 14:24 |
| acabot | edleafe: ok thx | 14:24 |
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| acabot | tpeoples: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ when do you plan to make additions ? | 14:25 |
| tpeoples | acabot: it's been on my list just haven't gotten to it yet. i'll put up a non-WIP by tomorrow | 14:25 |
| acabot | #action tpeoples set a non-WIP work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ | 14:26 |
| acabot | moving to watcher code | 14:26 |
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| acabot | the strategy from seanmurphy's team has been merged | 14:26 |
| acabot | congrats to the team | 14:26 |
| seanmurphy | cool - thanks! | 14:27 |
| brunograz | +1 | 14:27 |
| acabot | #info vincentfrancoise has added a lot of code on the BP "The achieved goal should be returned by each strategy" | 14:27 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy | 14:28 |
| seanmurphy | we need to take stock and see how and where we can continue to contribute further | 14:28 |
| seanmurphy | you will hear more from us! | 14:28 |
| acabot | seanmurphy : I hope so ! | 14:28 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: do we plan to merge it in M? | 14:28 |
| acabot | gzhai2 : actually it is my plan | 14:28 |
| acabot | but do you think the team will be able to review all the code by friday ? | 14:29 |
| dtardivel | gzhai2: we need reviewers :) | 14:29 |
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| gzhai2 | Sure. I can try and review this patch series. | 14:29 |
| acabot | if we want to have this BP implemented in M (it would be a great improvement), we need reviewers in the next 2 days ! | 14:30 |
| vincentfrancoise | FYI, I still have 2 changeset to finish and push: 1 for strategies API and the other one for the doc update | 14:30 |
| tpeoples | i'll review | 14:30 |
| acabot | who will be able to review this code by EOW ? | 14:30 |
| vincentfrancoise | which will make a total of 8 changesets | 14:30 |
| acabot | #action gzhai2 review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy asap | 14:30 |
| acabot | #action tpeoples review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy asap | 14:30 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy asap | 14:31 |
| acabot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ also needs reviews but as it is nested with the current work from vincentfrancoise, I think we will move it to N | 14:32 |
| acabot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ need a new PS as there is a merge conflict and additional reviews | 14:33 |
| gzhai2 | i'll ask junjie | 14:33 |
| gzhai2 | But still need another round review after it. | 14:33 |
| acabot | #action junjie submit a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | gzhai2: yes | 14:34 |
| acabot | on watcher client, there are 2 reviews open linked to "The achieved goal should be returned by each strategy" & "Enable strategy parameters " | 14:35 |
| acabot | so we already discussed them previously | 14:35 |
| jinquan | i will review after junjie submit a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ | 14:35 |
| acabot | #action jinquan review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ | 14:35 |
| acabot | #info Watcher-dashboard will be impacted by The achieved goal should be returned by each strategy implementation in Watcher, we need a contributor to work on it | 14:36 |
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| acabot | if we merge this BP in M, we need to fix watcher-dashboard before the summit | 14:36 |
| acabot | anyone who wants to work on it ? | 14:37 |
| acabot | always hard to find someone who wants to work on horizon :-D | 14:37 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:38 |
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| acabot | #info RC-Final target 5 BPs & 9 bugs and is due on April 1st https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/mitaka-rc-final | 14:38 |
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| acabot | after our discussion today, we can keep https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/get-goal-from-strategy & https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/basic-cloud-consolidation-integration | 14:39 |
| acabot | jinquan : what about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/select-destinations-filter ? | 14:39 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: scoring module BP is not targeted? | 14:39 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : we moved it to N last week | 14:40 |
| jinquan | i am start coding from 29.march | 14:40 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : did I made a mistake ? | 14:40 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: I thought that we want to get BP now and implementation in N | 14:41 |
| jinquan | i think it need take a few days for me | 14:41 |
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| acabot | tkaczynski : yes sorry, what I'm focusing right now is what we have implemented in M | 14:41 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: from my perspective it doesn't really matter. but I'd like to close working on the BP and start implementing it | 14:41 |
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| tkaczynski | so as long as the BP will get merged soon, I'm good | 14:42 |
| acabot | jinquan : ok so I suppose you wont be able to deliver it before April 1st right ? | 14:42 |
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| jinquan | acabot, yes :( | 14:43 |
| acabot | gzhai2: ok to move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/optimization-threshold to N ? | 14:43 |
| tkaczynski | sballe_: do you think we need to have scoring module BP for Mitaka? | 14:43 |
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| gzhai2 | acabot: ok. But I want a try as this patch is not so big:) | 14:44 |
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| gzhai2 | acabot: but it depends on progress of vincent's patch series. | 14:44 |
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| acabot | gzhai2 : the problem I see is that we will merge vincentfrancoise code on Friday and you wont have time to integrate it before we freeze the rc-final | 14:45 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: ok. | 14:45 |
| gzhai2 | move to N | 14:45 |
| acabot | #action acabot move 3 BPs from Mitaka RC-final to Newton-1 | 14:45 |
| jed56 | sorry about that gzhai2 | 14:45 |
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| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:46 |
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| acabot | Should we split in different repos the framework code and the available strategies ? | 14:46 |
| acabot | as we start to have more and more strategies available on watcher, it would be nice to separate reviews from Watcher framework and strategies | 14:47 |
| gzhai2 | currently it's ok i think. | 14:47 |
| acabot | what do you think about having a dedicated repo for strategies implementation ? | 14:48 |
| gzhai2 | Who'll maintain the new strategy repo? | 14:48 |
| acabot | it will be one more repo with client and dashboard | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | i'm not sure we'll get much benefit from that. i'd rather keep them together tbh, at least for the time being if nothing other than for simplicity | 14:49 |
| acabot | the idea is mostly to separate concerns, reviewing strategies is very different tha watcher framework | 14:49 |
| jed56 | the main idea is to have the "core" strategies and the others and to facilitate the "incubation" | 14:50 |
| gzhai2 | How deep you separate them? A total new project with client/dashboard/API? | 14:50 |
| tkaczynski | acabot tpeoples: I think having a separate repo for strategies will dogfood the strategy pluggability | 14:50 |
| dtardivel | acabot: Could we maintain only a list of available strategy into a new Watcher wiki section. Each strategy implementation will have its dedicated GIT repo, outside Watcher one. | 14:50 |
| jed56 | maybe is to early ? | 14:51 |
| tkaczynski | we need a simple way to add strategies to watcher as plug-ins, including goals and everything | 14:51 |
| seanmurphy | to me this looks too decoupled | 14:51 |
| acabot | it would be nice to have core reviewers for strategies (not the same as the framework core) | 14:51 |
| seanmurphy | i think it is better to keep the together for now | 14:51 |
| tpeoples | i agree with seanmurphy. maybe we can plan to discuss this at the summit? | 14:51 |
| acabot | tpeoples : +1 | 14:51 |
| jed56 | +1 | 14:51 |
| seanmurphy | i think the strategy code would soon become orphaned | 14:52 |
| acabot | its probably to early now, I will add it to the agenda for the summit | 14:52 |
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| acabot | seanmurphy : its a big risk | 14:52 |
| alexchadin | +1 | 14:53 |
| acabot | any other open discussion for today ? | 14:53 |
| dtardivel | acabot: if we create a new repo, who will maintain it later ? not the core team ... | 14:53 |
| acabot | dtardivel : I think we need to define a specific core team for maintaining strategies | 14:54 |
| acabot | dtardivel : so we need more people involved ;-) | 14:55 |
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| jed56 | acabot i agree | 14:56 |
| acabot | ok so thank you everyone | 14:57 |
| acabot | have a good day/night | 14:57 |
| tkaczynski | bye | 14:57 |
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| gzhai2 | thank you acabot | 14:57 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:57 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| jed56 | bye | 14:57 |
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| kevinbenton | @dougwig get out of bed #mondays #catpictures | 17:40 |
| dougwig | ugh, sorry | 17:40 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:40 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 17:40:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:40 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:40 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:40 |
| dougwig | i clicked away the calendar reminder and everything | 17:41 |
| dougwig | #topic the db patch | 17:41 |
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| dougwig | where are we, HenryG ? | 17:41 |
| kevinbenton | Boise and San Jose | 17:41 |
| HenryG | I am finishing up some test cases, but the patch should be usable. Have you tried it? | 17:42 |
| kevinbenton | This is the pagination patch? | 17:42 |
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| HenryG | no, https://review.openstack.org/267214 | 17:43 |
| dougwig | can we fit that into 0.1.0, or will that be rushing things? | 17:43 |
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| HenryG | I moved some things into private modules, so the code can be published but only experimeters can try it out. | 17:44 |
| HenryG | But please review the non-private modules to see if they are safe to go in 0.1.0. | 17:45 |
| dougwig | ok, so that + pagination, then we can do 0.1.0 and be ready for a g-r patch next week. | 17:45 |
| dougwig | will do | 17:45 |
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| dougwig | anything else for this morning? i've been sucked into an lbaas driver thing, so i have no progress to report. | 17:48 |
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| HenryG | Just want to mention I am pushing patches for switching the neutron code to use lib constants and exceptions. | 17:49 |
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| HenryG | One big patch for core neutron so far. | 17:49 |
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| kevinbenton | Yay | 17:50 |
| HenryG | Patches for *aaS coming soon. | 17:50 |
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| HenryG | Between now and the summit is probably the best time to get these conflict generators merged? | 17:50 |
| dougwig | or just after, yes | 17:51 |
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| HenryG | That's all from me | 17:52 |
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| HenryG | I think we should have a neutron-lib code sprint this summer, somewhere nice. | 17:57 |
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| dougwig | HenryG: i like that idea. | 18:03 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
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| rockyg | ping rbradfor dhellmann jokke_ bknudson for log_wg | 19:56 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, hi. | 19:57 |
| rockyg | Hey. this should be a quick one | 19:57 |
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| rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 20:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| rockyg | #topic summit planning | 20:01 |
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| rbradfor | are there any sessions scheduled? | 20:01 |
| rockyg | So far, I've been pretty low key about log stuff for this summit. The config stuff is critical and will go a long ways on lots of areas | 20:02 |
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| rockyg | But, what, if anything, do we want to get done at the summit? | 20:02 |
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| rockyg | Certainly, I'd like to recruit folks. And meet rbradfor jokke_ will not be there, so you can't meet him. | 20:02 |
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| rbradfor | logging in itself is not a standalone thing, how logging affects operators (so monday is ops day), and how logging may affect cross projects or oslo is where I'd expect to hear about it. | 20:03 |
| rockyg | Yup. So, what would be a good focus this round for the Ops summit? I've gotta submit shortly | 20:04 |
| rockyg | I will get it if I propose it. | 20:04 |
| rbradfor | The Oslo planning is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning | 20:05 |
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| rbradfor | there is a proposal for mutable logging listed (but driver is not attending) | 20:05 |
| rockyg | There is also a taxonomy of failures that is also happening in Ops. Log issues will likely arise there, too. | 20:05 |
| rockyg | The ops summit planning etherpad is: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-meetup | 20:06 |
| rockyg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-meetup | 20:06 |
| rockyg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning | 20:06 |
| rbradfor | I am planning on attending the ops summit sessions | 20:07 |
| rockyg | Cool. And we should get an oslo session. I'm thinking the right way to start on Error codes and even on the request id stuff is to get the fields added to oslo.log for them | 20:08 |
| rockyg | So what would be a good log topic for the ops summit? | 20:09 |
| rbradfor | for work I'm hoping to focus on, I either have a detailed etherpad (e.g. adoption), or have created specs that can be reviewed and commented on for discussion before austin. | 20:09 |
| rockyg | Yup. I'm hoping to create the oslo spec and have a few round with you and maybe others before the summit | 20:10 |
| rockyg | For ops, it's usually more info gathering and dissemination | 20:10 |
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| rockyg | I'm thinking maybe a discussion of unhandled exceptions for Ops-logging? Find out if we could clean up logging by handling some of the most common ones? | 20:12 |
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| rockyg | What would you like to learn from Ops? | 20:14 |
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| rbradfor | I'm interested in just hearing what are pain points across deployment and usage, and try to determine if these are Oslo related, and see I can provide input into how these things could move along | 20:15 |
| rbradfor | I have yet been able to actually talk with a production operator. | 20:17 |
| rockyg | We could do that. Logging pain points review then drill into top, or exceptions (that was a biggie last time. It dumps sometimes multi-gig lines into log files) | 20:17 |
| rbradfor | you are mentioned this, but I've never seen any actual examples. | 20:17 |
| rockyg | I'll make sure that happens. But just turning up, you'll meet a ton of them. | 20:17 |
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| rockyg | You should also present/moderate a session on config options. I can help if you like, but I think once you get started, I'm not needed. If ever needed. | 20:18 |
| rockyg | I did a session on the nova effort at the midcycle | 20:19 |
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| rockyg | Oh, and I'm still confused about the syslog opts in oslo.log. The descriptions seem to indicate it went away????? | 20:20 |
| rockyg | Lots of ops use it. | 20:20 |
| rockyg | I'll have an intern for the summer, so I can get lots of stuff done. | 20:20 |
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| rbradfor | I'm not familiar with the details, I need to experiement with syslog info. syslog is still an option, it was a specific syslog format that was deprecated and removed. | 20:21 |
| rockyg | Which is why it would be good to get either oslo or cross project spec in decent shape for him/her | 20:21 |
| rockyg | Ah. The doc code needs to be clearer on that. | 20:22 |
| rockyg | How about I throw an etherpad together with the oslo log format items I want and we iterate a bit on that before submission to gerrit? | 20:23 |
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| rbradfor | sure | 20:23 |
| rockyg | And we can talk about that at an oslo summit session. | 20:24 |
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| rbradfor | feel free to add it to the Oslo etherpad quickly. I know Josh is scheduling now. | 20:24 |
| rockyg | Now I've promissed something so I have to do it. | 20:24 |
| rockyg | I'll add after this meeting | 20:25 |
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| rockyg | and add some comments. | 20:26 |
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| rockyg | on other proposed sessions, that is.... | 20:26 |
| rockyg | I think that covers it. Anything else? Can I add config options to ops summit with your name on it? | 20:27 |
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| rockyg | Or will you??? | 20:27 |
| rockyg | If you moderate, I'll take notes on the etherpad | 20:28 |
| rbradfor | I see nobody has mentioned config options, so it's not my place to add this. | 20:29 |
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| rbradfor | should there be need to discuss I can be available to discuss | 20:30 |
| rockyg | Anyone can add. It's pretty much unconference style. The person who wants it/wants to do it puts it up and others vote. | 20:30 |
| rbradfor | my goal is to attend the ops summit, listen, learn and contribute when applicable | 20:31 |
| rockyg | So, I put up the taxonomy discussion and all those +1s was to express interest. Don't ask for permission, seek agreement :) | 20:31 |
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| rockyg | OK. I'll put up a config session and make you attend and ask questions. | 20:31 |
| rockyg | Sorry. But, There is *lots* of interest in getting them fixed and debate about global config sections or not. | 20:32 |
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| rockyg | Especially when you have multi-cloud. | 20:32 |
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| rbradfor | ok, well as you say, if people express interest then we can talk more about it | 20:32 |
| rockyg | Will do. | 20:33 |
| rockyg | I think thats about it? I have action items: | 20:33 |
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| rockyg | #action add logging to oslo planning etherpad | 20:33 |
| rockyg | #action add config opts to Ops planning etherpad | 20:34 |
| rockyg | #action start etherpad for logging format enhancements | 20:34 |
| rbradfor | cool | 20:34 |
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| rockyg | Are we done for this meeting? | 20:34 |
| rbradfor | I've nothing more to note. I'll await your etherpads | 20:35 |
| rockyg | Thanks. I'll get to it then:) | 20:35 |
| rockyg | 3endmeeting | 20:35 |
| rockyg | #endmeeting | 20:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 20:35:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-03-30-20.00.html | 20:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-03-30-20.00.txt | 20:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-03-30-20.00.log.html | 20:35 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 23:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 23:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 23:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 23:00 |
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| asalkeld_ | o/ | 23:00 |
| sdake | \o/ | 23:00 |
| akwasnie | hi | 23:00 |
| inc0 | o/ | 23:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 23:01 |
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| vhosakot | o/ | 23:03 |
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| sdake | #topic annouoncements | 23:03 |
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| sdake | our agenda is here: | 23:04 |
| sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 23:04 |
| sdake | 1. sam has dropped off the core reviewer team of his own accord. If he is lilke most peple he probably values his privacy and may not want to be questioned about it. | 23:05 |
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| inc0 | he will be missed :( | 23:05 |
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| sdake | sam's contributions have been super valuable to kolla and I wish him well in the future | 23:06 |
| sdake | If the core team wants to wish him well as well, I thnk that would be appropriate. | 23:06 |
| sdake | 2. the irc channel has moved to #openstack-kolla | 23:06 |
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| Jeffrey4l | miss him. | 23:06 |
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| sdake | 3. the gate which was busted is now fixed for the most part in correct fashions for master and soon mitaka - keep the patches coming | 23:07 |
| vhosakot | the doc gate is still flaky | 23:07 |
| sdake | 4. we have a vote on how to manage the backports underway - please vote. | 23:08 |
| sdake | 5. we have a core reviewer nomination under way - please vote. | 23:08 |
| sdake | any announcements from the community? | 23:08 |
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| sdake | #topic Liberty backport planning | 23:09 |
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| sdake | inc0 all yours | 23:09 |
| inc0 | well | 23:09 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299563/ | 23:09 |
| inc0 | so we need a plan | 23:09 |
| inc0 | I'm working on getting mitaka code deploying liberty | 23:09 |
| inc0 | and got it to work in prototype fashion | 23:09 |
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| inc0 | obviously this is ugly and I need to work on it a bit more, but here it is | 23:10 |
| inc0 | question - what are we doing with this code? | 23:10 |
| inc0 | I see 2 options | 23:10 |
| inc0 | 1. We keep it master and effectively abandon mitaka | 23:10 |
| inc0 | liberty* branch | 23:10 |
| inc0 | 2. we backport it to liberty stable and we can remove this "deploy_liberty" nonsense | 23:11 |
| inc0 | which means that we'll have 2 branches that will be virtually identical | 23:11 |
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| inc0 | and patches that lands in mitaka will have to be backported | 23:11 |
| sdake | sounds like what the current vote is | 23:11 |
| inc0 | I would guess almost all of them | 23:11 |
| sdake | i htink what this means is backporting is effectively blocked until mitaka is released | 23:12 |
| inc0 | I'm personally in favor of second options | 23:12 |
| asalkeld_ | can't we keep templates for major openstack version in tree | 23:12 |
| sdake | to make a nice tidy backport process | 23:12 |
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| asalkeld_ | templates/mitaka/* | 23:12 |
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| asalkeld_ | so that one branch can at least deploy 2 or 3 releases | 23:13 |
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| inc0 | well asalkeld_ truth is, our templates aren't super sophisticated (not sure if I wrote this word correctly, you get the idea) | 23:13 |
| inc0 | which means we're good at most part | 23:13 |
| sdake | asalkeld so you mean templates ike heat-mitaka.j2 heat-liberty.j2? | 23:13 |
| asalkeld_ | sdake: yeah (or just add a new directory for each release | 23:13 |
| inc0 | well, I wouldn't make a habit out of it | 23:13 |
| vhosakot | yes.. I like 2 option as well.. why should we "make Mitaka deploy Liberty" ? does other OpenStack projects do this ? one release is made to deployed an older relase ? | 23:13 |
| inc0 | we may get lucky now, next release mariadb will make breaking change and we're screwed | 23:14 |
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| inc0 | vhosakot, so other deployment tools usually deploy previous version | 23:14 |
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| inc0 | I think Fuel for example is still on Kilo | 23:14 |
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| vhosakot | Mikaka Fuel dpeloys Kila ? | 23:15 |
| inc0 | osad I think deploys master | 23:15 |
| asalkeld_ | hard to test upgrades if you have to keep checking out different versions of the code | 23:15 |
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| inc0 | asalkeld_, but it will be more stable this way | 23:15 |
| sdake | well we do want stable branches per release | 23:15 |
| sdake | stable/mitaka = atleast mitaka | 23:16 |
| asalkeld_ | ok, just an idea | 23:16 |
| sdake | stable/liberty = atleast liberty | 23:16 |
| inc0 | well, I think we may get lucky now | 23:16 |
| inc0 | but I'd liek to keep 1 release per release | 23:16 |
| inc0 | and mitaka - mitaka | 23:16 |
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| inc0 | only reason this backport is even a thing is data_containers which were super critically horrible nuke in your own datacenter | 23:17 |
| inc0 | and people don't like nukes in dc | 23:17 |
| sdake | ok well here is my thinking on the matter | 23:17 |
| sdake | inc0 should continue to work on defining HOW we backport | 23:18 |
| inc0 | so...my personal favorite is to ditch what we now call liberty, and make liberty out of master + my code once I'm done with it | 23:18 |
| sdake | he has taken that on that responsibility of his own accord | 23:18 |
| sdake | but as far as tming goes | 23:18 |
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| sdake | I'd really like to wait until Mitaka is tagged | 23:18 |
| inc0 | fair enough | 23:19 |
| sdake | after Mitaka is tagged, Id' like to distribute the backport work throughout the core reviewr team and our respective community | 23:19 |
| inc0 | so what I need from you guys is to help me testing | 23:19 |
| sdake | so we can get it done in la week or two | 23:19 |
| sdake | rather then 6 months ;) | 23:19 |
| inc0 | confirm that serviced deploys correctly and test centos | 23:19 |
| sdake | we need to teset ubuntu as well | 23:20 |
| vhosakot | can the backported code to Liberty be tested in gate ? | 23:20 |
| inc0 | I'm doing everything on buntu | 23:20 |
| sdake | our gate testing is weak vhosakot | 23:20 |
| vhosakot | compute kit | 23:20 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, we need to make gate out of it | 23:20 |
| sdake | only copute kit and barely that :) | 23:20 |
| sdake | stable/lbierty hs a gate | 23:20 |
| inc0 | which will need to change | 23:21 |
| sdake | if its the same as mitaka why change it? | 23:21 |
| inc0 | if it's the same, then no, but is it | 23:21 |
| inc0 | ? | 23:21 |
| inc0 | well, in any case | 23:21 |
| sdake | it will be - take mitaka cp to liberty | 23:21 |
| inc0 | we'll get it done | 23:22 |
| inc0 | all I'm saying is, we need to make a decision on HOW | 23:22 |
| sdake | yup have full confidence in inc0, he got us upgrades rolling with help from the community | 23:22 |
| sdake | inc0 i prposed in the vote on the mailing list how | 23:22 |
| sdake | if you think how should be different can you repropose a different thing | 23:22 |
| inc0 | wonderful, thank you | 23:22 |
| inc0 | I'll do that | 23:23 |
| sdake | ok any Q&A? | 23:23 |
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| vhosakot | I have Q... | 23:23 |
| inc0 | for everyone who helps with backport, drinks are on PTL; | 23:24 |
| inc0 | ;) | 23:24 |
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| sdake | drinks are on inc0 he means :) | 23:24 |
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| vhosakot | will steps to test backport be posted on etherpad ? what to test ? how to test ? | 23:24 |
| * sdake needs to abuse the corproate card more | 23:24 | |
| inc0 | vhosakot, so test will be - deploy and do stuff | 23:24 |
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| sdake | the deal is we want liberty to be the same as mitaka | 23:25 |
| rhallisey | hello | 23:25 |
| vhosakot | is this like downloading inc0's patch set, deploy kolla, check basic sanity ? | 23:25 |
| sdake | so we can leverage all the testing we have gone through | 23:25 |
| sdake | hey rhallisey | 23:25 |
| rhallisey | srry was at the sstore | 23:25 |
| inc0 | but I'll make sure to get it testable (is this even a word?) before we tag mitaka | 23:25 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, yeah, pretty much, basic or more advanced, as much as you can | 23:25 |
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| sdake | inc0 perhaps your proposal is different then what was proposed on the ml | 23:26 |
| sdake | i think we need to have further discussion there | 23:26 |
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| sdake | there being the ml | 23:26 |
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| rhallisey | does that mean there more needed to be backported? | 23:26 |
| rhallisey | s/there/there is | 23:26 |
| sdake | rhallisey yes - read your email!! ;) | 23:26 |
| inc0 | rhallisey, everything will be backported eally | 23:26 |
| inc0 | and I mean everything | 23:27 |
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| rhallisey | ya I saw that | 23:27 |
| rhallisey | I +1'd it | 23:27 |
| rhallisey | unless something changed in the last 1hour | 23:27 |
| * sdake reads his mail :) | 23:27 | |
| sdake | i think inc0 hasn't read my proposal yet | 23:27 |
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| Jeffrey4l_ | what the final solution? deploy liberty using mitaka branch Or backport mitaka branch to liberty? | 23:28 |
| inc0 | didnt get mail yet | 23:28 |
| inc0 | I'm for the latter | 23:28 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l_ i prefer second choice | 23:28 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | I think inc0 using the latter. | 23:28 |
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| Jeffrey4l_ | I think inc0 using the former. ( sorry for typo) | 23:28 |
| Jeffrey4l_ | I perfer second, too. | 23:29 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l_, for demo purposes | 23:29 |
| inc0 | but I'd rather ditch conditional and make liberty a copy of mitaka with slight changes | 23:29 |
| vhosakot | inc0 said 2nd option - 2. we backport it to liberty stable and we can remove this "deploy_liberty" nonsense | 23:29 |
| sdake | ok well unfortunately we have a poor turnout at our irc meetings at the 23:00 utc tiemslot | 23:30 |
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| sdake | so we really need to have this discussion on the mailing list | 23:30 |
| sdake | so inc0 slurp your mail and get us going ;) | 23:31 |
| vhosakot | is there a list of things going to be backported to Liberty.... etherpad link ? | 23:31 |
| sdake | ok moving on :) | 23:31 |
| sdake | #topic Liberty rc3 bug triage [timebox 25 minutes] | 23:31 |
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| vhosakot | sdake: is there a list of things going to be backported to Liberty | 23:31 |
| sdake | vhosakot perhaps we need to start that - inc0 can yout ake that up ini yuor response? | 23:31 |
| inc0 | mail no there, bits slow, instructions unclear | 23:31 |
| vhosakot | cool | 23:32 |
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| sdake | our deadline for rc3 is friday April 1sst | 23:32 |
| sdake | as in 2 days | 23:32 |
| Jeffrey4l__ | ( sorry, offlined just now) | 23:32 |
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| sdake | I am tagging at the last possible moment for folks to get bug fixes in | 23:32 |
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| sdake | After that, Mitaka final is April 8th, 2016 | 23:33 |
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| sdake | so we are going to go through the painful process of bug categorization for confirmed bugs | 23:33 |
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| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-rc3 | 23:34 |
| sdake | any bug that is New is probably a backport | 23:34 |
| sdake | lets ignore those | 23:34 |
| sdake | i'll sort those out after the meeting | 23:34 |
| sdake | anythign confirmed, needs to be fixed asap | 23:34 |
| asalkeld_ | lots there | 23:35 |
| sdake | ya we have a slew of bugs | 23:35 |
| sdake | I really need people to focus on fixxing bugs rather then developing features | 23:35 |
| sdake | we can handle about 25 bugs a week if we coordinate well | 23:35 |
| sdake | that is our community capacity | 23:36 |
| vhosakot | that is good bug-fixing rate | 23:36 |
| sdake | yes - we have 1 week left until release | 23:36 |
| sdake | we can't possibly fix all these bugs in the time frame allotted | 23:36 |
| sdake | please work on critical bugs | 23:37 |
| sdake | a critical bug is something that stops kolla from functioning properly in our 7 major kolla-ansible operational mdoes | 23:37 |
| sdake | reconfigure, ugprade, deploy, precheck, etc | 23:37 |
| sdake | a high bug is something that is a real probem | 23:37 |
| vhosakot | yes, I'm hardening the prechecks | 23:37 |
| sdake | I am going to look at a ll the low bugs an bounce them on the 1st if there are not solutiosn for them | 23:38 |
| sdake | I am going t o look at all the medium bugs and see if they are really low prior to that | 23:38 |
| sdake | what i need is help prioirtizing bugs | 23:38 |
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| sdake | the second peice of help i need is finishign the job on bugs in the in progress state | 23:39 |
| sdake | the third peice of help i need is fixing bugs in the critical or high states that are unassigned | 23:39 |
| sdake | i will send a request to the mailing list about all of this need for help | 23:40 |
| sdake | but can anyone point out any holes in this approach? | 23:40 |
| sdake | i'd like to make sure we deliver something that works properly | 23:40 |
| vhosakot | sdake: what about scale bugs related connection limit, nova scheculer with 100 VMs... ? | 23:41 |
| sdake | vhosakot i am looking at that now | 23:42 |
| vhosakot | cool | 23:42 |
| sdake | i would call that critical | 23:42 |
| sdake | or high at minimum | 23:42 |
| sdake | what i'e seen so far with 1000 vm launch is it can't be done | 23:42 |
| sdake | without changing koll aaround | 23:43 |
| sdake | at most on a 64 node clusery you can launch 50 vms | 23:43 |
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| sdake | that is totaly unacceptable to me ;) | 23:43 |
| vhosakot | how many are compute nodes ? | 23:43 |
| sdake | we need to make sure a 100 node cluster works ocrrectly for a fully loaded set of compute nodes | 23:43 |
| sdake | 3 controller 10 stroage 87 compute at 256gb ram | 23:43 |
| sdake | is our arbitrary pie in the sky target | 23:44 |
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| sdake | this leads to open discussion | 23:44 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 23:44 |
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| inc0 | sorry battery died | 23:44 |
| vhosakot | we'll need continued help from manjeets and gmmaha to debug/test scale fixes... | 23:45 |
| sdake | it takes me 6-12 hours to even dig into one ebug vhosakot | 23:45 |
| sdake | because i dont hve access to hte metal | 23:45 |
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| sdake | meanwhile i could be fixing 3-4 critical bugs | 23:46 |
| vhosakot | agreed, scale issues are different/tough | 23:46 |
| gmmaha | vhosakot: we can definitely help as best as we can | 23:46 |
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| vhosakot | thanks gmmaha | 23:46 |
| inc0 | I hope to get us some serious hardware soon, for a time at least | 23:47 |
| vhosakot | I need two my reviews to be merged.. they are in queue long | 23:48 |
| sdake | ya folks | 23:49 |
| sdake | stay on top of the queue | 23:49 |
| sdake | i wnt eveyrone to have an opportunity to be first to review a patch | 23:49 |
| sdake | dont wait for someon else to review it first | 23:49 |
| vhosakot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296012/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296649/ | 23:49 |
| sdake | anything else? | 23:50 |
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| vhosakot | so, is inc0 going to send email about backport | 23:51 |
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| inc0 | I thought sdake will do it? | 23:51 |
| sdake | he said he would follow up on the thread | 23:51 |
| vhosakot | ah ok ok | 23:51 |
| inc0 | ah | 23:51 |
| sdake | email already sent | 23:51 |
| inc0 | well | 23:51 |
| vhosakot | yes | 23:51 |
| inc0 | ok, I'll follow up | 23:51 |
| inc0 | tomorrow | 23:51 |
| inc0 | I don't trust my skill of constructing correct sentecnes any more today | 23:52 |
| vhosakot | haha | 23:52 |
| sdake | ok well i'll gie folks back 7 minutes of their lives | 23:53 |
| sdake | please stay focused on milestone 3 and mitaak final | 23:53 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 23:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 23:54:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-03-30-23.00.html | 23:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-03-30-23.00.txt | 23:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-03-30-23.00.log.html | 23:54 |
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