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markus_z | #startmeeting nova-bugs-team | 10:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 29 10:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markus_z. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-bugs-team)" | 10:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_bugs_team' | 10:00 |
markus_z | So, anyone around? | 10:00 |
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* bauzas waves | 10:00 | |
markus_z | hi | 10:00 |
markus_z | I'll wait for another few minutes, some folks from intel said they wanted to join this week | 10:01 |
markus_z | bauzas: The only RC3 item I've seen so far has merged some minutes ago: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298068 | 10:02 |
markus_z | bauzas: On a second thought, that's a testing thing and maybe needn't to be in RC3 | 10:02 |
bauzas | there is also It is also required for some (slightly obscure) features | 10:03 |
bauzas | oops | 10:03 |
bauzas | there is also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297846/1 | 10:03 |
bauzas | markus_z: ^ | 10:03 |
markus_z | yep, reading | 10:03 |
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bauzas | plus the zanata things but that's not bug-specific | 10:04 |
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markus_z | bauzas: OK, not sure how important shelve/unshelve is for folks, but it sounds like a regression | 10:05 |
markus_z | zanata = translations? | 10:05 |
bauzas | here, I just want to make sure we ship RC3 without leaving a regression out of the bus | 10:05 |
bauzas | markus_z: yup | 10:05 |
markus_z | bauzas: I can spent 2 hours after lunch for bug triage. Should get through 4-5 bugs. | 10:05 |
bauzas | markus_z: that's still a regression whatever the importance is :) | 10:06 |
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markus_z | bauzas: agreed | 10:06 |
markus_z | bauzas: As already said in #nova, I'll put my name in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-bugs-team for bugs I'm working on | 10:06 |
markus_z | bauzas: FYI: http://45.55.105.55:8082/bugs-dashboard.html That's a PoC I want to use for cleanup tasks. Just to make you aware of it | 10:07 |
bauzas | markus_z: and I modified the etherpad for at least one | 10:07 |
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markus_z | bauzas: which one? I don't see your color | 10:08 |
markus_z | bauzas: ^ | 10:09 |
bauzas | markus_z: I just scrapped one | 10:09 |
bauzas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1560965 libvirt selects wrong root device name (5 days old) | 10:09 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1560965 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirt selects wrong root device name" [Low,Confirmed] | 10:09 |
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markus_z | bauzas: Ah, cool, I'll read the conclusion later. | 10:10 |
bauzas | I just did it for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1561796 ironic driver does not support ssl cafile (4 days old) to | 10:10 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1561796 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "ironic driver does not support ssl cafile" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Devananda van der Veen (devananda) | 10:10 |
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markus_z | So I guess no one else is coming to the meeting. No need to keep it open. If no questions are left I would end it for today and work on bug reports. | 10:11 |
bauzas | maybe the daylight shift threw some people under the bus | 10:12 |
* bauzas so hates this | 10:12 | |
markus_z | #action markus_z Announce the meeting on the ML to get folks on board | 10:12 |
markus_z | bauzas: yeah, maybe, confusing weeks | 10:12 |
markus_z | Closing in 3... | 10:12 |
markus_z | Thanks for your time. See you next time. | 10:13 |
markus_z | #endmeeting | 10:13 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 29 10:13:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:13 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_bugs_team/2016/nova_bugs_team.2016-03-29-10.00.html | 10:13 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_bugs_team/2016/nova_bugs_team.2016-03-29-10.00.txt | 10:13 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_bugs_team/2016/nova_bugs_team.2016-03-29-10.00.log.html | 10:13 |
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jasondotstar | #startmeeting openstack-salt | 13:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 29 13:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_salt' | 13:01 |
jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 13:01 |
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jasondotstar | o/ | 13:01 |
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jasondotstar | hmmm. none of our folks are here atm. /me checks... | 13:04 |
liqw | o/ | 13:04 |
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genunix | o/ | 13:05 |
jasondotstar | there we go | 13:06 |
jasondotstar | hi all | 13:06 |
genunix | hello :-) | 13:06 |
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jasondotstar | shall we get going? | 13:06 |
jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 13:06 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Introduction (Meeting topic: openstack-salt)" | 13:06 | |
jasondotstar | This meeting is for the openstack-salt team | 13:06 |
jasondotstar | If you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt | 13:07 |
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jasondotstar | our meeting time has changed. Meetings are weekly on Tuesdays *now* at 1300UTC here in #openstack-meeting-4 | 13:07 |
jasondotstar | hopefully this will better accommodate our global team members in the far east :-) | 13:08 |
jasondotstar | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting | 13:08 |
jasondotstar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt | 13:09 |
jasondotstar | any questions or comments on this? | 13:09 |
jasondotstar | genunix, liqw - you think this works better for you? | 13:09 |
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jasondotstar | ok guess we don't have comments on this, let's move on | 13:11 |
jasondotstar | #topic Review past action items | 13:11 |
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genunix | yes much better :-) | 13:11 |
jasondotstar | genunix to continue researching openstack packaging | 13:12 |
jasondotstar | anything on this? | 13:12 |
genunix | nothing :-( | 13:13 |
jasondotstar | ok | 13:14 |
jasondotstar | so.... perhaps we should review what the goal is with this task | 13:14 |
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jasondotstar | what are we packaging up..... | 13:14 |
jasondotstar | ? | 13:14 |
jasondotstar | let's talk through it a little more, that will help me figure out where I (and others) can help | 13:15 |
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jasondotstar | genunix: can you give us a breakdown of what we want to see here? | 13:15 |
genunix | jasondotstar: Yes, we need to investigate how openstack packaging is done first | 13:16 |
genunix | jasondotstar: I mean for Debian-based distros + RPM (that was supposed to be investigated by ali afaik) | 13:16 |
genunix | I have some idea how it's probably going to be done, but I would like to find someone from OS packaging team to discuss | 13:17 |
jasondotstar | ok | 13:17 |
jasondotstar | this should probably be captured in a blueprint | 13:17 |
jasondotstar | or a spec | 13:17 |
genunix | yes | 13:17 |
jasondotstar | generally what we want to do | 13:18 |
jasondotstar | have folks review it | 13:18 |
genunix | + I would also like to think about packaging,resp. getting rest of our formulas into Debian as well | 13:18 |
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genunix | not just openstack-related | 13:18 |
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jasondotstar | +1 | 13:20 |
jasondotstar | that's something we can discuss more too | 13:20 |
jasondotstar | so who should write up the blueprint | 13:21 |
jasondotstar | ? | 13:21 |
jasondotstar | genunix: if you want to start the spec | 13:22 |
jasondotstar | we can of course edit it... add, remove, modify, etc. | 13:22 |
jasondotstar | until it's about where we want it to be | 13:22 |
jasondotstar | agreed? | 13:22 |
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genunix | ok | 13:23 |
jasondotstar | cool. | 13:23 |
jasondotstar | #action genunix to start the RPM packaging spec | 13:24 |
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jasondotstar | anything else on the RPM packaging topic? | 13:24 |
genunix | where's ali btw? | 13:24 |
jasondotstar | hmmm... i dunno | 13:24 |
genunix | he wanted to participate on RPM stuff | 13:24 |
jasondotstar | iceyao isn't around either | 13:24 |
genunix | because I am more interested in Debian which has higher priority. RPM is nice to have for me. | 13:25 |
jasondotstar | genunix: +1. I'd like to get into packaging more myself | 13:25 |
jasondotstar | I'll ping you afterwards to talk about both | 13:25 |
jasondotstar | but I can assist with the RPM packaging efforts as well. | 13:25 |
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jasondotstar | I assume that our target is Newton | 13:26 |
jasondotstar | but we can discuss that a bit more later | 13:26 |
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jasondotstar | let's move on | 13:26 |
jasondotstar | jasondotstar to attend the RPM-packaging team meeting | 13:27 |
jasondotstar | so I attended the meeting, though I showed up a bit late | 13:27 |
jasondotstar | if you guys want to take a look at what was discussed here's a link: | 13:27 |
jasondotstar | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-24-13.04.log.html | 13:27 |
jasondotstar | the meeting was rather short | 13:28 |
jasondotstar | but most of what they discussed was around creating a stable/mitaka branch | 13:28 |
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genunix | ok, I will check | 13:29 |
jasondotstar | they will also be at summit | 13:29 |
jasondotstar | but they are facing similar facility issues as far as finding a room | 13:30 |
jasondotstar | I can reach out to dirk and talk to him about what we're doing - dirk is one of the leads in that group | 13:31 |
jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to reach out to dirk (RPM-packaging team) to discuss RPM packaging | 13:31 |
jasondotstar | ok any other items here? | 13:32 |
jasondotstar | is newt around? | 13:32 |
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jasondotstar | we're missing a couple folks today | 13:32 |
jasondotstar | :-) | 13:32 |
jasondotstar | ok next topic | 13:33 |
jasondotstar | jasondotstar to research building RPMs using the openstack-ci | 13:33 |
genunix | yes, day after easter :) | 13:33 |
jasondotstar | so this one is IN-PROGRESS | 13:33 |
jasondotstar | genunix: +1 that's true. | 13:34 |
jasondotstar | as it relates to the other stuff we've been talking about... | 13:34 |
jasondotstar | and the last one on the list is: | 13:34 |
jasondotstar | cznewt to follow up on DVR networking and the neutron salt formula with OVS support ready | 13:34 |
jasondotstar | he's not around so, I will move these last two up to next week's agenda | 13:35 |
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jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to continue researching the RPM build process using the openstack-ci | 13:35 |
jasondotstar | #action cznewt to follow up on DVR networking and the neutron salt formula with OVS support | 13:36 |
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jasondotstar | ok any other lingering items to discuss from previous meetings? | 13:36 |
jasondotstar | genunix: dude, it's just me and you today :-P | 13:36 |
jasondotstar | #topic Today's Agenda | 13:38 |
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jasondotstar | genunix: you have anything to bring up? | 13:39 |
jasondotstar | looks like we might have arif-ali joining us here shortly.... | 13:42 |
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arif-ali | hi | 13:43 |
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jasondotstar | hi arif-ali | 13:44 |
jasondotstar | so we were talking earlier about RPM packaging | 13:44 |
arif-ali | didn't get far, tbh, and there was some ideas over the past few weeks of using openstack CI | 13:44 |
arif-ali | we just need to understand exactly, how we want to to go ahead, and then we can channel the right places to get it going | 13:45 |
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arif-ali | if it's RDO, then I can go through that route, and I had preliminarily done some work, but hadn't submitted anything | 13:46 |
jasondotstar | right. | 13:46 |
jasondotstar | we spoke around writing up a spec | 13:46 |
jasondotstar | just to capture what we want to do on this | 13:46 |
jasondotstar | genunix volunteered to start the spec | 13:46 |
arif-ali | sure, ok | 13:46 |
jasondotstar | and i assume that we should get your help to finish defining it | 13:46 |
arif-ali | I am happy to assist, where needed | 13:47 |
jasondotstar | \o/ cool | 13:47 |
jasondotstar | ok | 13:50 |
jasondotstar | sorry guys, I'm actually talking to dirk now from the RPM packaging team | 13:50 |
jasondotstar | told him who we were, what we are trying to do, etc. | 13:50 |
jasondotstar | so.... that's all i have for us today | 13:51 |
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jasondotstar | is there anything else that the team wants to discuss? are we set for summit? | 13:51 |
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genunix | I think that's all for today :-) | 13:53 |
jasondotstar | sounds good | 13:53 |
genunix | as almost nobody seems to be here :-) | 13:53 |
jasondotstar | if nothing else I think we can close out. yeah, light day today | 13:53 |
jasondotstar | we can continue talking in #openstack-salt if needed | 13:53 |
jasondotstar | thanks all | 13:53 |
jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 13:54 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 29 13:54:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:54 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-29-13.01.html | 13:54 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-29-13.01.txt | 13:54 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-29-13.01.log.html | 13:54 |
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EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 29 15:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
EmilienM | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20160329 | 15:00 |
EmilienM | o/ | 15:00 |
iurygregory | o/ | 15:00 |
mfisch | heyo | 15:00 |
degorenko | hey :) | 15:00 |
* beagles lurks | 15:00 | |
bkero | o/ | 15:00 |
mwhahaha | hi2u | 15:01 |
EmilienM | #topic Review past actions items | 15:01 |
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_ody | o/ | 15:01 |
xarses | o/ | 15:01 |
EmilienM | initiate email on operators mailing list about Austin summit -> it's done, I sent an email to operators ML and also proposed a session about deployment tools at OPS sessions. | 15:01 |
EmilienM | EmilienM & chem work on normalize_ip_for_uri function | 15:01 |
EmilienM | I think we can postpone it, we did not work on it | 15:01 |
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EmilienM | #action EmilienM & chem work on normalize_ip_for_uri function (postponed) | 15:02 |
EmilienM | degorenko / chem to follow-up domain-specific testing with multi backends | 15:02 |
EmilienM | chem: is it the thing you were doing today? | 15:02 |
EmilienM | EmilienM to send email about release notes (postponed action from last week) -> done | 15:03 |
degorenko | EmilienM, i think yes, here is chem patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296370/ | 15:03 |
chem | EmilienM: yep it is | 15:03 |
EmilienM | EmilienM to create Wiki page for Puppet backports -> done: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet/Backport_policy | 15:03 |
EmilienM | great | 15:03 |
EmilienM | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
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chem | EmilienM: I'm about to push the first version without prefetch for keystone_user now that I have some to test | 15:03 |
saneax | o/ | 15:03 |
EmilienM | #info stable/mitaka branches are created | 15:03 |
EmilienM | chem: excellent | 15:03 |
EmilienM | #info 8.0.0 is out ! | 15:04 |
EmilienM | #info developpment is open to newton now | 15:04 |
degorenko | chem, i saw a few patches from mjblack (probably) about domains and prefetching | 15:04 |
EmilienM | once RDO is ready, we'll start using the rights repos to download OpenStack Newton | 15:04 |
degorenko | oh, it is already abandoned https://review.openstack.org/289995 ok | 15:05 |
EmilienM | #info governance: applying for release:cycle-with-intermediary tag https://review.openstack.org/297382 | 15:05 |
EmilienM | flaper87: feel free to review it again, I addressed your comment ^ | 15:05 |
EmilienM | do we have any other announcement for this week? | 15:05 |
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EmilienM | ok, let's move forward | 15:06 |
chem | ^^ degorenko: yep, I have asked him to abandonned one of them and the other is legit (I was fixed in my test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296370/ but I rebase on top of his https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298672/) | 15:06 |
xarses | I'd like to announce that EmilienM and the Puppet-openstack team is awesome | 15:06 |
* EmilienM hides | 15:06 | |
EmilienM | xarses: we do our best :) | 15:06 |
EmilienM | #topic kilo backports | 15:06 |
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bkero | Such fame | 15:06 |
EmilienM | who proposed this topic? | 15:07 |
saneax | xarses, +1 | 15:07 |
xarses | mfisch: ? | 15:07 |
mwhahaha | the color seems to indicate mfisch? | 15:07 |
degorenko | chem, ack, thanks for info | 15:07 |
mfisch | yo | 15:07 |
xarses | We still see third-party tools such as contrail that only support Kilo, I'd like for the ability to propose backports to remain an option | 15:07 |
mfisch | me | 15:07 |
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EmilienM | what is the big deal with kilo? | 15:08 |
mfisch | should we still be supporting backports? | 15:08 |
mfisch | there's been a few idling because they might break stuff, concerns about stuff moving etc | 15:08 |
mfisch | config options moving | 15:08 |
mfisch | It doesnt really hurt me to leave it open but I'd like to know our policy | 15:08 |
EmilienM | we should "maintain" it until the release is not supported anymore | 15:08 |
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EmilienM | backporting features is a no-go | 15:09 |
mwhahaha | i think we should have the option, but be more restrictive as to what we would back port | 15:09 |
mfisch | its only in security mode until May 26 | 15:09 |
EmilienM | backporting critical bugs, if there are, why not | 15:09 |
mwhahaha | some people still rock Kilo | 15:09 |
xarses | mwhahaha: +1 | 15:09 |
mfisch | like some of our services | 15:09 |
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EmilienM | I initiated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet/Backport_policy last week | 15:09 |
mfisch | backports are going to get harder and harder as stuff moves | 15:09 |
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EmilienM | we also have this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet/releases that documents what we support (we should update it btw) | 15:10 |
EmilienM | mfisch: right | 15:10 |
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xarses | but doesn't that make it then the interest of the person on kilo to back port stuff they are interested in | 15:10 |
richm | hello | 15:10 |
mfisch | so what are we going to do after May 26? | 15:10 |
EmilienM | mfisch: what do other projects? | 15:10 |
mfisch | well I know Horizon took a bug fix 2 weeks ago that technically they didnt have to | 15:11 |
mfisch | so honestly I dont know. | 15:11 |
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EmilienM | soon, Puppet OpenStack will apply for http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/stable_follows-policy.html | 15:11 |
EmilienM | so we might need to investigate the requirements | 15:12 |
mfisch | yes | 15:12 |
EmilienM | at least we need to support what core projects still support | 15:12 |
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mfisch | so as I said right now Kilo is in security fixes only | 15:12 |
EmilienM | do we have security patches? | 15:13 |
EmilienM | not much afik | 15:13 |
mfisch | no | 15:13 |
mfisch | but I understand the desire for backports, does stable policy prevent us from doing backports? | 15:13 |
david-lyle | mfisch: that was mistake on kilo | 15:13 |
bkero | I think if one came up it would be evident though | 15:13 |
david-lyle | for Horizon | 15:13 |
mfisch | david-lyle: well there you go... thanks | 15:13 |
EmilienM | david-lyle: o/ | 15:13 |
david-lyle | EmilienM: o/ | 15:14 |
EmilienM | mfisch: I think it requires some investigation, before taking any decision | 15:14 |
EmilienM | but it's a very good point | 15:14 |
mfisch | thats why I wanted to bring it up | 15:14 |
mfisch | thanks | 15:14 |
EmilienM | #action EmilienM to investigate stable_follows-policy tag requirements and investigate about Kilo support | 15:15 |
EmilienM | I'll look at it this week | 15:15 |
EmilienM | I think until now we never had a strong policy on that | 15:15 |
EmilienM | but since we try to follow other projects in term of governance, we need to investigate that for sure. Thanks mfisch ! | 15:16 |
EmilienM | anything else about backports for now? | 15:16 |
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EmilienM | #topic Austin Summit | 15:16 |
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EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-design-puppet | 15:16 |
EmilienM | so the summit is starting soon, and we don't have much topics yet | 15:17 |
EmilienM | we have 5 slots and also a community session | 15:17 |
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degorenko | i will add some topics :) | 15:17 |
EmilienM | if you are a developper or an operator, feel free to add topics | 15:17 |
EmilienM | it can be new ideas, new features, discussions, etc... anyway: feel free to propose topics | 15:18 |
bkero | Should one topic be about policies for support for previous versions and backports? | 15:18 |
bkero | Or should that just be a listed policy and we can spend our time doing other things? | 15:18 |
EmilienM | bkero: it can be | 15:18 |
mwhahaha | i need to come up with some topics for fuel/puppet-openstack so if anyone has anything they'd like to talk about let me know as well | 15:18 |
iberezovskiy | I think we need to discuss switch to puppet-oslo in each module and not only for messaging | 15:19 |
EmilienM | right | 15:19 |
EmilienM | this is the kind of topic where it's "just do it" thing | 15:19 |
iberezovskiy | yep | 15:19 |
EmilienM | we agreed puppet-oslo would help | 15:19 |
degorenko | + | 15:20 |
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EmilienM | now, we need to write the code :-) you already did awesome job on that, thanks | 15:20 |
degorenko | i've added this topic to agenda | 15:20 |
EmilienM | there are 2 things I would like to initiate: docker and multi node deployments | 15:20 |
chem | \o/ | 15:20 |
EmilienM | I would like to initiate a project under Puppet OpenStack tent, to deploy modules in containers | 15:21 |
bkero | Cool! | 15:21 |
degorenko | wow :) | 15:21 |
iberezovskiy | what configuration do you wanna suggest for multi node? | 15:21 |
EmilienM | twc is already doing it and I plan to talk about moving their stuff | 15:21 |
EmilienM | iberezovskiy: I'm more interested in the orchestration | 15:21 |
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EmilienM | iberezovskiy: today, fuel is using mcollective (iiuc) and tripleo is using heat | 15:21 |
EmilienM | some folks use ansible, etc | 15:22 |
mfisch | we use heat for our multinode test | 15:22 |
xarses | there is also solar | 15:22 |
EmilienM | maybe our community has a great experience so we could share our knowledges | 15:22 |
xarses | EmilienM: Fuel uses nailgun, astute, and mcollective together to orchestrate | 15:23 |
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EmilienM | ok, interesting | 15:23 |
mfisch | ansible+heat for us | 15:23 |
bkero | That seems like a big stack. Is mcollective maintained anymore? | 15:23 |
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EmilienM | anyway. Let's talk about it during the Summit, and maybe find common ideas | 15:23 |
xarses | but we might switch some of that to solar | 15:23 |
EmilienM | do we have questions / feedback for the Summit? | 15:24 |
mfisch | mcollective ugh | 15:24 |
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mfisch | will be a good convo | 15:24 |
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xarses | "mcollective ugh" is a good convo =) | 15:24 |
mwhahaha | well we basically only use mcollective to run puppet apply and upload a file | 15:25 |
* bkero threw this on the sessions section on the summit etherpad | 15:25 | |
mwhahaha | it could be switched out for something else | 15:25 |
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mfisch | there's a reason we switched, will be glad to show/explain | 15:25 |
EmilienM | feel free to use etherpad to prepare the agenda | 15:26 |
EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage (submit modules to triage here) | 15:26 |
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degorenko | one request from my side :) https://review.openstack.org/298586 simple cherry-pick | 15:27 |
EmilienM | if you have any question / bug / review, please drop it here | 15:27 |
EmilienM | a release not would have been great | 15:28 |
EmilienM | but maybe it can be submitted in master | 15:28 |
degorenko | release notes? | 15:28 |
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EmilienM | degorenko: yes, it sounds like you add a new feature | 15:28 |
degorenko | not exactly | 15:29 |
degorenko | but i will fix it | 15:29 |
degorenko | i will add release notes in separate patches then | 15:29 |
degorenko | for master and stable, sure | 15:29 |
degorenko | i forgot about notes | 15:29 |
degorenko | it's first time of using that :) sorry :) | 15:29 |
EmilienM | cool | 15:29 |
EmilienM | no worries! | 15:29 |
mwhahaha | i'm going to be looking at extending the glance_image provider to support extra params for properies | 15:30 |
degorenko | +1 for this | 15:30 |
mwhahaha | trying to rewrite some awful ruby we've got to leverage the glance_image provider | 15:30 |
degorenko | we don't have ability to set properties now | 15:30 |
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EmilienM | _ody: do you have a status on puppet4? | 15:31 |
EmilienM | looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296557/ we have a good progress here | 15:32 |
EmilienM | I'll let the meeting open 30 seconds, feel free to ask anything otherwise i'll close it | 15:32 |
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EmilienM | thanks guys, keep rocking OpenStack ! | 15:33 |
EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 29 15:33:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-03-29-15.00.html | 15:33 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-03-29-15.00.txt | 15:33 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-03-29-15.00.log.html | 15:33 |
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dougwig | o/ | 16:00 |
dougwig | #startmeeting kosmos | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 29 16:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:00 |
dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 16:00 |
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dougwig | i might be talking to myself today. | 16:00 |
dougwig | :) | 16:00 |
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dougwig | ok, i'm guessing folks are still mitaka/summit focused. will send out an ML post for next week. | 16:03 |
dougwig | #endmeeting | 16:03 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 29 16:03:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:03 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-03-29-16.00.html | 16:03 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-03-29-16.00.txt | 16:04 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-03-29-16.00.log.html | 16:04 |
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sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 29 17:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 17:00 |
sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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vishwanathj | o/ | 17:01 |
brucet | o/ | 17:01 |
sripriya | o/ | 17:01 |
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sridhar_ram | Hi Tackers! | 17:07 |
LouisF | hi | 17:07 |
natarajk | hi | 17:07 |
santoshk | hi | 17:07 |
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bobh | o/ | 17:07 |
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prashantD | o/ | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | looks we have a quorum ! | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | tbh won't make it today | 17:07 |
sridhar_ram | let's start... | 17:07 |
sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 17:07 |
s3wong | hello | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Mar_29.2C_2016 | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | #topic Annoucements | 17:07 |
* sridhar_ram notices topic doesn't change | 17:07 | |
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sridhar_ram | #info Annoucements | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | python-tackerclient for Mitaka 0.3.0 is released | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-March/001030.html | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | PTL election results out - | 17:07 |
sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090422.html | 17:07 |
sridhar_ram | you folks are stuck w/ me for another 6-months.... sorry | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | #topic Mitaka Release Review | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | can someone please ack? | 17:07 |
brucet | ack | 17:07 |
sridhar_ram | brucet: thanks! | 17:07 |
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brucet | Maybe only in Costa Rica | 17:07 |
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s3wong | ack | 17:07 |
brucet | There?? | 17:07 |
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sridhar_ram | brucet: nope, whole universe... | 17:08 |
LouisF | yes | 17:08 |
vishwanathj | acl | 17:08 |
vishwanathj | ack | 17:08 |
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s3wong | perhaps even sridhar_ram is gone? :-) | 17:08 |
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sridhar_ram | s3wong: I'm here.. | 17:08 |
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sridhar_ram | things are getting replayed... | 17:08 |
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sridhar_ram | .. looks there was a momentary kink in space-time fabric ;-) | 17:09 |
bobh | Eddy's in the space-time-continuum... | 17:09 |
sridhar_ram | bobh: lol | 17:09 |
sridhar_ram | let's regroup.. | 17:09 |
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sridhar_ram | did you folks caught up to the announcements typed earlier ? | 17:10 |
brucet | Your the man for 6 months; what else? | 17:10 |
sripriya | sridhar_ram: yes | 17:10 |
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sridhar_ram | brucet: pretty much that .. oh well we also release our client mitaka lib | 17:10 |
sridhar_ram | let's move on... | 17:11 |
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sridhar_ram | Blueprints wise we have the following outstanding... | 17:11 |
sridhar_ram | 1) EPA (vish) | 17:11 |
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sridhar_ram | 2) MultiSite UI (sripriya) | 17:11 |
sridhar_ram | 3) Auto Image creation (tbh) | 17:12 |
sridhar_ram | anything else beyond this ? | 17:12 |
brucet | for Mitaka?? | 17:12 |
sridhar_ram | brucet: yep | 17:12 |
vishwanathj | those are the ones that I recognize | 17:12 |
LouisF | networking-sfc driver | 17:13 |
sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: AFAIK yes | 17:13 |
sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: sripriya_: thanks | 17:13 |
s3wong | LouisF: not for Mitaka | 17:13 |
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sridhar_ram | LouisF: that would be targeted for Newton | 17:13 |
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LouisF | s3wong: ok | 17:13 |
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sridhar_ram | all those three outstanding looks close enough.. | 17:14 |
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sridhar_ram | deadline is EOD tomorrow (Wednesday) to wrap everything and ask for a Mitaka release on Thursday | 17:14 |
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sridhar_ram | let's talk about any outstanding blockers / Mitaka candidate bugs | 17:15 |
sridhar_ram | #topic Mitaka Bugs | 17:15 |
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sridhar_ram | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bugs?field.tag=mitaka-bugs | 17:16 |
sridhar_ram | I see two bugs marked for Mitaka | 17:16 |
sridhar_ram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1554663 | 17:16 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1554663 in tacker "VNF delete doesn't wait for stack_delete to complete" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to dharmendra (dharmendra-kushwaha) | 17:16 |
sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: are you here ? | 17:16 |
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sridhar_ram | that bug had a func test issue... | 17:17 |
sridhar_ram | don't think it would make it by EOD tomorrow. | 17:18 |
sridhar_ram | we will have room to cherry pick that fix later | 17:18 |
sridhar_ram | the next one is .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1547706 | 17:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1547706 in tacker "Tacker devstack installation should not fail when openwrt image download fails or times out" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Janki Chhatbar (jankihchhatbar) | 17:18 |
sridhar_ram | janki: are you here ? | 17:18 |
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janki | sridhar_ram: Hi | 17:18 |
janki | Yes, I am here | 17:18 |
sridhar_ram | janki: what kind of testing you've done for this ? | 17:19 |
janki | as per the last comment, I was to explicity add return line | 17:19 |
janki | I ran tox tests | 17:19 |
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janki | none other | 17:19 |
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janki | I have added the return and submitted it | 17:19 |
sridhar_ram | janki: I meant the manual test.. was devstack able to continue even if the download failed ? | 17:20 |
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sridhar_ram | janki: I was wondering how you simulated download failure ? | 17:20 |
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janki | sridhar_ram: Yes, devstack was able to continue to install even if download failed | 17:20 |
sridhar_ram | okay.. we can finish that review offline | 17:21 |
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sridhar_ram | janki: thanks! | 17:21 |
janki | I unset https_proxy to stimulate download failure | 17:21 |
sridhar_ram | janki: cool ! | 17:21 |
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sridhar_ram | anything else anyone want to flag for the core-team to merge by tomorrow ? | 17:21 |
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dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, hi. Sorry for late joining. | 17:22 |
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sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: no worries, we had a question about https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1554663 | 17:22 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1554663 in tacker "VNF delete doesn't wait for stack_delete to complete" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to dharmendra (dharmendra-kushwaha) | 17:22 |
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sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: wondering whether this can be wrapped up by tomorrow | 17:22 |
dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, I am looking into https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1554663 . But currently stuck in some environmental issue on my system | 17:23 |
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dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, will try to finish it by tomorrow morning | 17:23 |
sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: thanks.. it the fix is deemed "safe" we can absorb it in the mitaka release | 17:24 |
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sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: I'm also keeping your sshpass fix.. that would be a good candidate for Mitaka | 17:24 |
sridhar_ram | Next need help for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282543/ | 17:25 |
sridhar_ram | zeih: are you here ? | 17:25 |
sridhar_ram | This is deprecation of nova settings in tacker.conf... | 17:25 |
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sridhar_ram | this will help to remove nova related cruft out of tacker in Newton | 17:26 |
sridhar_ram | any volunteers ? | 17:26 |
sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i can take it up | 17:26 |
sridhar_ram | sripriya_: thanks a lot! | 17:26 |
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sridhar_ram | unless someone flags anything more.. that's a wrap for Mitaka release | 17:27 |
sridhar_ram | moving on... | 17:27 |
sridhar_ram | #topic Mitaka Docs | 17:27 |
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sridhar_ram | now that Tacker is an official project.. we have proper doc landing slots in docs.openstack.org and specs.openstack.org | 17:28 |
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sridhar_ram | My expectation is each of the blueprint owners will write some docs to describe the feature that got landed in Mitaka | 17:28 |
sridhar_ram | this is also a good chance for new members to Tacker community to pitch in | 17:29 |
sridhar_ram | any ideas / suggestions around tacker docs ? | 17:30 |
brucet | I think we need something that describes overall arch for Mitaka | 17:30 |
sridhar_ram | the team has done an amazing amount of work in Mitaka .. it is fair to now popularize them and docs are a good way | 17:31 |
brucet | Remember the Mitaka arch diagram I put together? | 17:31 |
sridhar_ram | brucet: agree, we could have a "Tacker Architecture" doc | 17:31 |
brucet | OK. I volunteer | 17:31 |
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sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: we need to have both developer and usage docs for the features | 17:32 |
sridhar_ram | brucet: thanks... I'd like to participate in putting that chapter as well | 17:32 |
sridhar_ram | brucet: we can team up | 17:32 |
brucet | Perfect for me. | 17:32 |
sridhar_ram | sripriya_: agree, we have mashed everything together now... | 17:32 |
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sridhar_ram | BTW, if you've not noticed Tacker docs are available here .. | 17:33 |
sridhar_ram | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tacker/ | 17:33 |
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sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: developer docs should focus purely on how to extend/optimize the features similar to other projects | 17:34 |
sridhar_ram | which chapters do you think should go to openstack-manuals project ? | 17:34 |
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sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: probably usage/setup ..? | 17:35 |
santoshk | srirpiya_: will we be adding any docs on clis with VIM usage... | 17:35 |
sridhar_ram | yeah, first four chapters ? Installation, Getting Started, Feature Documentation and API | 17:35 |
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sripriya_ | santoshk: feature usage guide should cover the clis i suppose | 17:36 |
sridhar_ram | janki: would you've some bandwidth to help out in this effort ? | 17:36 |
janki | sridhar_Ram: Yes. I can take out time for this. | 17:37 |
santoshk | saripriya_: ok.. | 17:37 |
sridhar_ram | janki: thanks.. we now support a new TOSCA template syntax and this is a significant | 17:38 |
janki | I am also going through the TOSCA literature to document the VNFD template parameters | 17:38 |
sridhar_ram | janki: cool.. that would be a great piece | 17:38 |
janki | Oct 2015 release of TOSCA as we talked lat time right? | 17:38 |
sridhar_ram | janki: there will be a new version out in few weeks (CSD03) | 17:39 |
sridhar_ram | we should document based on that... | 17:39 |
sridhar_ram | bobh: thoughts ? | 17:39 |
janki | OK, so do I just wait till the next release is out? | 17:39 |
sridhar_ram | in fact I'm thinking we should document based on our samples in tacker/devstack/samples and in the func tests dir | 17:40 |
bobh | sridhar_ram: probably need to keep our documents in line with what tosca-parser is supporting | 17:40 |
sridhar_ram | bobh: do they have any docs ? | 17:40 |
bobh | sridhar_ram: so when tosca-parser has all of the changes in CSD03 supported, we can include them | 17:40 |
bobh | sridhar_ram: good question - I'll need to check | 17:40 |
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brucet | Got a feeling there's no doc on actual syntax accepted by Tosca parser | 17:41 |
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sridhar_ram | bobh: janki: I slightly less worried about the capability of the parser itself than the type of template customers can write off Tacker | 17:41 |
brucet | But its needed | 17:41 |
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sridhar_ram | for eg. take the snippets from the samples in .. | 17:42 |
sridhar_ram | #link https://github.com/openstack/tacker/tree/master/tacker/tests/functional/vnfm | 17:42 |
bobh | sridhar_ram: Tacker capabilities will be whatever tosca-parser/heat-translator supports plus whatever Tacker has implemented on top | 17:42 |
sridhar_ram | #link https://github.com/openstack/tacker/tree/master/devstack/samples | 17:42 |
sridhar_ram | bobh: agree, however IMO tacker chapter on writing TOSCA template should focus on VDUs, VLs, mgmt-driver, mon-driver, etc. | 17:43 |
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bobh | sridhar_ram: agree | 17:43 |
sridhar_ram | for the base tosca parsing we could ideally point to any tosca-parser syntax | 17:43 |
sridhar_ram | janki: in short, there is no need to wait to start writing this chapter | 17:44 |
sridhar_ram | we should be able to guide you | 17:44 |
janki | sridhar_ram: ok. Then I can start right away | 17:44 |
sridhar_ram | janki: thanks! | 17:45 |
brucet | So base docs on what's actually implemented in Parser right now, correct?? | 17:45 |
sridhar_ram | keep in mind these docs doesn't go into tacker repo itself | 17:45 |
sridhar_ram | brucet: yes, that's what I meant | 17:45 |
janki | So what exact topics need to be included? | 17:45 |
sridhar_ram | janki: for now please own the TOSCA template syntax topic (chapter) | 17:46 |
sridhar_ram | brucet: and myself will own the Architecture chapter | 17:46 |
sridhar_ram | santoshk: sripriya_: I guess, you will write something on multisite ? | 17:47 |
sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: thats correct | 17:47 |
janki | sridhar_Ram: Sure. Do I need to write/mention this anywhere? | 17:47 |
sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: and also manual installation update for multisite | 17:47 |
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sridhar_ram | sripriya_: yep, that's important! | 17:48 |
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sridhar_ram | sripriya_: if possible before tomorrow ;-) | 17:48 |
sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i thought so :) | 17:48 |
brucet | sridhar_ram: I could use a point on how to develop docs for OpenStack. | 17:48 |
sridhar_ram | janki: we are also new to writing into openstack-manuals.. this is our first round | 17:48 |
sridhar_ram | brucet: sure, will take a AI to describe it in the next weekly meeting | 17:49 |
sripriya_ | http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/quickstart/new-projects.html | 17:49 |
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* sridhar_ram AI scratched | 17:49 | |
brucet | Thx | 17:49 |
sridhar_ram | oh yeah, I had this link in the agenda | 17:50 |
sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: :) | 17:50 |
* sridhar_ram 10 mins | 17:50 | |
sridhar_ram | let's move on.. | 17:50 |
sridhar_ram | #topic Newton Summit Planning | 17:50 |
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sridhar_ram | Austin Summit is just three weeks away.. | 17:51 |
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sridhar_ram | We have proper design summit space for Tacker now .. hurray! | 17:52 |
sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090606.html | 17:52 |
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sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/attachments/20160328/23a406bf/attachment.pdf | 17:52 |
sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: cool | 17:52 |
s3wong | nice | 17:52 |
sridhar_ram | please plan your summit activities to accommodate these slots | 17:53 |
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s3wong | the nice thing is fishbowl and the workroom sessions are all contiguous | 17:53 |
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sridhar_ram | Here is the landing etherpad for Newton Summit | 17:53 |
sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-summit | 17:53 |
sridhar_ram | s3wong: yes, the challenge if one / more of us has speaking slots on Thursday | 17:54 |
s3wong | sridhar_ram: our talk is in the morning, right? | 17:54 |
sridhar_ram | we can still request summit events team to alter if needed | 17:54 |
s3wong | sridhar_ram: do you have more in the afternoon? | 17:54 |
sridhar_ram | s3wong: I don't remember :( | 17:54 |
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s3wong | sridhar_ram: you are too busy :-) | 17:55 |
sridhar_ram | s3wong: I haven't cross-checcked | 17:55 |
sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: s3wong: multisite is before lunch and i guess EPA is in afternoon | 17:55 |
sridhar_ram | will break a sigh of relief after Mitaka goes out.. 2 more days.. | 17:55 |
sridhar_ram | sripriya_: I see | 17:55 |
sridhar_ram | Folks - please RSVP in the etherpad above if you planning to attend in person | 17:56 |
sridhar_ram | the next work item is to finalize the topic for various working sessions | 17:56 |
sridhar_ram | lets discuss that more next week.. please come w/ your ideas | 17:56 |
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sridhar_ram | I really hope we will operate with better deadline / milestones in Newton.. | 17:57 |
sridhar_ram | .. so starting early on Newton features is the key | 17:57 |
s3wong | sridhar_ram: agreed | 17:57 |
sridhar_ram | any other question related to new Summit ? | 17:58 |
sridhar_ram | *newton | 17:58 |
sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 17:58 |
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sridhar_ram | we have many interesting features lines up in Newton.. excited in this new big-tent era of Tacker! | 17:59 |
sridhar_ram | *lined | 17:59 |
sridhar_ram | that's it folks this week.. | 17:59 |
brucet | Bye | 17:59 |
sridhar_ram | bye everyone | 17:59 |
LouisF | bye | 17:59 |
sripriya_ | bye | 17:59 |
natarajk | bye | 17:59 |
janki | bye | 17:59 |
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sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 29 17:59:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-03-29-17.00.html | 18:00 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-03-29-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-03-29-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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