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nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k | 13:58 |
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jokke_ | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k | 13:58 |
jokke_ | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 13:59 |
nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 13:59 |
jokke_ | Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:59 |
nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:59 |
nikhil | jokke_: :P | 13:59 |
nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 13:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 13:59:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 13:59 |
nikhil | #chair jokke_ | 13:59 |
openstack | Current chairs: jokke_ nikhil | 13:59 |
jokke_ | woops | 13:59 |
nikhil | #topic roll call | 13:59 |
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jokke_ | o/ | 13:59 |
bunting | o/ | 13:59 |
nikhil | o/ | 13:59 |
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nikhil | jokke_: so you want to/had something to lead meeting today? | 14:00 |
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wxy | o/ | 14:00 |
nikhil | may be I am out of sync there, flavio said he will be out and ask me to conduct this one | 14:00 |
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jokke_ | nikhil: flaper87 is travelling and just asked if I would run it through ... feel free though | 14:00 |
mfedosin | o/ | 14:01 |
rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
nikhil | jokke_: ah, he's keeping back ups | 14:01 |
jokke_ | oh so it was Flavio who was out of synk ;) | 14:01 |
dshakhray | 0/ | 14:01 |
tjcocozz | o/ | 14:01 |
jokke_ | s/k/c | 14:01 |
nikhil | Mitaka is almost over | 14:01 |
jokke_ | nikhil: go for it | 14:01 |
nikhil | we've the new rc2 | 14:01 |
jokke_ | yes, translations only | 14:01 |
nikhil | but it's i18n so, prolly nothing significant to come out of it | 14:01 |
nikhil | :) | 14:01 |
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kairat | o/ | 14:02 |
nikhil | guess we've a good turn out today | 14:02 |
nikhil | let's get started then | 14:02 |
nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
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nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
nikhil | Just wanted to quickly sync over a few items and start preparing for the summit | 14:02 |
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nikhil | we've mostly bootstrapping newton at this point | 14:02 |
nikhil | that's what we will discuss today | 14:02 |
hemanthm | o/ | 14:02 |
jokke_ | by the looks of Mitaka is wrapped and ready for shipping | 14:03 |
nikhil | #topic Glare updates ( mfedosin ) | 14:03 |
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nikhil | jokke_: yeah! | 14:03 |
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mfedosin | hey! we continue the developing of Glare | 14:03 |
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mfedosin | a lot of new features were added last week | 14:04 |
mfedosin | and now we have functional tests that checks that everything is fine | 14:04 |
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mfedosin | also there was defcore meeting yesterday | 14:04 |
mfedosin | and we were talking Glare | 14:04 |
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mfedosin | so, afaiu, they have no concerns about Glare | 14:05 |
rosmaita | what review strategy should we be following on these? i've been ignoring the WIP patches, maybe that is a mistake | 14:05 |
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nikhil | rosmaita: good question | 14:05 |
mfedosin | rosmaita: no, you're right | 14:05 |
nikhil | we need to decide on this asap | 14:05 |
mfedosin | currently we just develop the base code | 14:06 |
mfedosin | and it's easy for us to have it in one big commit | 14:06 |
jokke_ | About that. I got couple of pings last night asking wtf is going on. Could we please stop selling Glare as replacement for Glance at least until we have a) stable API and b) some level of track record/testing that it actually is successfully working | 14:06 |
mfedosin | called Glare All-in-one | 14:06 |
jokke_ | ^^ ref defcore meeting | 14:07 |
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mfedosin | then we implement new features with [WIP] prefix and merge them in the big commit | 14:07 |
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kairat | jokke_, at the current stage that seems more PoC to me | 14:08 |
mfedosin | jokke_: selling it as a glance replacement creates a hype around Glare :) | 14:08 |
nikhil | jokke_: interesting, that was more of a question rather than a sell. I think those defcore folks are not accurate on their assumptions. I'd love to clarify them. | 14:08 |
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jokke_ | mfedosin: and causes hell of a lot confusion in the community where we have already really bad reputation (warranted or not) | 14:08 |
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tjcocozz | link for the all-in-one patch -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292327/ | 14:09 |
mfedosin | thanks tjcocozz :) | 14:09 |
nikhil | over Mitaka, I found out the bad reputation is only within small pockets and we need to identify those pockets and clear those confusions | 14:09 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: I'm not picking fight at this point and I do understand that some level of hype is needed to get the traction to Glare, but we can't do it this way | 14:09 |
kairat | +1 to nikhil | 14:09 |
mclaren | It would be useful to have clarity on the relationship between the two. Maybe some documentation in one of the Glare patches? | 14:10 |
nikhil | and I agree with jokke_ that we'd live on realistic practices and avoid confusing hypes | 14:10 |
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mfedosin | mclaren: there will be a spec | 14:11 |
mclaren | Ok, cool. Whatever gets us on the same page. | 14:11 |
jokke_ | and misunderstandings around defcore was the root cause for last huge incident we were sorting through multiple sessions last Summit | 14:11 |
rosmaita | i think it would be good to get something about "the future" into the regular docs | 14:12 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: ++ | 14:12 |
nikhil | rosmaita: sounds good | 14:12 |
nikhil | #action nikhil: clarify "the future" stuff for Glance | 14:13 |
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rosmaita | i can put up a patch with a lot of handwaving, and you can correct it | 14:13 |
nikhil | sure | 14:13 |
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nikhil | anything else on this topic? | 14:13 |
nikhil | rosmaita: whatever gets us going | 14:14 |
nikhil | moving on | 14:14 |
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nikhil | #topic Nova v1, v2 | 14:14 |
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nikhil | I'd a quick catch up with Nova team on the status of this (earlier in the week) | 14:14 |
nikhil | We've a few action items for Newton | 14:14 |
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nikhil | Need to create a newton spec, clarify the individual reviews to ensure they correct the eventual goal | 14:15 |
nikhil | basically Nova team thinks that some reviews need more context on why they exist | 14:15 |
nikhil | Matt has tentatively scheduled a cross session with Glance | 14:16 |
nikhil | We will know if it makes it or not in their final proposal | 14:16 |
mfedosin | I'll take the spec | 14:16 |
mfedosin | but one thing I really like | 14:16 |
jokke_ | good news is that he also publicly put this on the Nova Newton priorities ;) | 14:16 |
nikhil | mfedosin: thanks | 14:17 |
mfedosin | they agreed to keep this code in Nova | 14:17 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: ++ | 14:17 |
mfedosin | without compat layer | 14:17 |
nikhil | yes, for this cycle it will be a small concise change | 14:17 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: that sounds great | 14:17 |
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jokke_ | makes sense | 14:17 |
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nikhil | most of what mfedosin has already done | 14:17 |
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mfedosin | all patches are there | 14:17 |
nikhil | there are a few testing improvements that we may have to do | 14:17 |
nikhil | but testing impr. is a research item | 14:18 |
nikhil | volunteers are welcome | 14:18 |
mfedosin | I just need to address rosmaita concern about lowering headers | 14:18 |
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nikhil | any questions? | 14:19 |
nikhil | moving on | 14:19 |
nikhil | #topic Cross project updates | 14:19 |
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nikhil | The etherpad for session proposals is up | 14:19 |
nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions | 14:19 |
nikhil | quite a few sessions up there already | 14:20 |
nikhil | besides that | 14:20 |
nikhil | there was a meeting yesterday | 14:20 |
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nikhil | Most of what was discussed was a follow up on the CP specs so that people are aware of them | 14:21 |
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nikhil | there was update from release team on the automating their process | 14:21 |
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nikhil | a heads up + call for reviews on quotas and service catalog tng | 14:22 |
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nikhil | moreover, you can find a gist of CP updates in our community newsletter | 14:22 |
jokke_ | ref that release process update | 14:23 |
nikhil | nothing significant, that the glance team need to look into this or next week | 14:23 |
nikhil | jokke_: please go ahead | 14:23 |
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jokke_ | that mainly affects non-managed release mode projects, so really does not affect us | 14:23 |
jokke_ | we keep requesting the tags as usual :) | 14:23 |
nikhil | totally | 14:24 |
nikhil | those release changes shouldn't affect glance | 14:25 |
jokke_ | just that if anyone is thinking of taking up that liaison post, it's quite straight forward ;) | 14:25 |
nikhil | if you work on other projects too and see anomalies in the process, then that update is for you | 14:25 |
nikhil | jokke_: ah ha | 14:25 |
nikhil | good call | 14:25 |
nikhil | #info all: glance team is looking for release liaison | 14:26 |
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nikhil | #topic Releases | 14:26 |
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nikhil | I'd switched topic before :) | 14:26 |
nikhil | nevertheless, summer is coming | 14:26 |
nikhil | and if you're making early holiday plans | 14:27 |
nikhil | the schedule is conveniently available to you | 14:27 |
nikhil | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:27 |
nikhil | #info glance team would love to have cores available a week before and on the week of releases | 14:27 |
jokke_ | #info Glance RC2 tagged. Diff RC1..RC2 translations | 14:28 |
nikhil | I'd a question yesterday on backports | 14:28 |
jokke_ | #info glance_store & python-glanceclient has not had anything major during the freeze | 14:28 |
kairat | glance_store has | 14:28 |
nikhil | if you're looking to propose changes to stable branches, it should follow stable guidelines | 14:29 |
kairat | I think | 14:29 |
kairat | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297665/ | 14:29 |
nikhil | #link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 14:29 |
nikhil | kairat: that looks possible from first glance | 14:30 |
jokke_ | kairat: let me refrase, has not merged anything that would need to be released for Mitaka | 14:30 |
kairat | ah, ok | 14:30 |
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nikhil | for backports, please propose change against master first and then based on reviews we will move for likely backport | 14:31 |
jokke_ | #info glance_store & python-glanceclient has not merged anything to be included in Mitaka for release time | 14:31 |
jokke_ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 14:31 |
mclaren | kairat's fix looks important | 14:32 |
jokke_ | nikhil: and on top of that: Please make sure that there is bug for it. We will not backport without and doing that after merge to master is pain | 14:32 |
mclaren | how do we handle glance_store fixes coming up to release? | 14:33 |
nikhil | jokke_: okies.. bug first it is! | 14:33 |
jokke_ | :) | 14:33 |
jokke_ | makes life easier | 14:33 |
nikhil | mclaren: can you elaborate? | 14:33 |
mclaren | sure | 14:33 |
mclaren | eg do we tag RCX-candidate or anything? | 14:34 |
nikhil | ah | 14:34 |
jokke_ | mclaren: with both glance_store and python-glanceclient we do not follow any stable release schedule so we can backport and release as needed, new deployments should pick those up within the requirements | 14:34 |
nikhil | we now follow SemVer for clients and non-client libs | 14:34 |
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mclaren | It looks like if you upgrade to mitaka you could get hit by bug 297665. So ideally we'd have a release of glance_store to prevent that? | 14:35 |
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nikhil | yes | 14:35 |
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nikhil | we will have a separate release candidate for mitaka | 14:35 |
jokke_ | mclaren: so no RCs, the releases we did that was base for the stable/mitaka brnaching is effectively our stable/mitaka release from those libs. then we just make patch releases as needed from that point onwards | 14:36 |
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jokke_ | mclaren: this was done ~3-4 weeks ago | 14:36 |
mclaren | I understand that in principle they are separated. | 14:36 |
mclaren | I'm just saying that we should do what we can to avoid people hitting 297665 when they deploy mitaka. | 14:37 |
nikhil | mclaren: yes and for that they will be expected to deploy stable mitaka | 14:37 |
nikhil | for eg. iirc, we'd a 0.10.x released for mitaka | 14:37 |
jokke_ | mclaren: the one thing I like having glance_store as separate from glance service is the ease of releasing when we have something we want to have fixed in production | 14:37 |
nikhil | the fixes will go to 0.10.x+1 | 14:37 |
nikhil | and for newton it will be 0.11.x series | 14:37 |
jokke_ | nikhil: correct | 14:38 |
nikhil | the requirements are then updated to reflect the bug fix in stable/mitaka | 14:38 |
nikhil | jokke_: thanks for confirming! | 14:38 |
mclaren | I don't see why releasing a glance_store fix is easier than releasing a glance stable fix? | 14:39 |
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nikhil | it is somewhat easier | 14:39 |
nikhil | I mean, you can debate on this but.. | 14:40 |
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nikhil | because you can now control the fix through requirements | 14:40 |
jokke_ | mclaren: mainly due to the appearance :) | 14:40 |
nikhil | you've a better visibility on what's fixed and what's not | 14:40 |
nikhil | you can switch the fix back if you need to by a simple requirement contraint change | 14:40 |
nikhil | constraint* | 14:41 |
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nikhil | glance_store release documentation will also have the info for it (ideally) | 14:41 |
jokke_ | btw, sorry to interrupt, but we probably should move one and take this offline with interested parties | 14:42 |
jokke_ | running out of time | 14:42 |
nikhil | we're running out of time, but if you've more concerns we can wait a couple more mins | 14:42 |
nikhil | ok, offline then. moving on for now. | 14:42 |
nikhil | #topic Use policy files to control deletion of deactivated images. (bunting) | 14:43 |
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bunting | Me | 14:43 |
nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256381/ | 14:43 |
nikhil | bunting: go go go :D | 14:43 |
bunting | It was suggested to bring this to the attention of the group to use policy files rather than the config options as a potential pattern to use in future patches | 14:44 |
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nikhil | sure | 14:44 |
bunting | More of an info topic then anything that needs discussing | 14:45 |
nikhil | I see the comments on PS5 and they make sense | 14:45 |
nikhil | alrite then | 14:45 |
jokke_ | regardless how it might be controlled, I'd like to see spec (at least lite unless this discussion is getting complex) as the proposed is directly against what the original deactivate/activate spec is specifying as behavior | 14:45 |
nikhil | #info please help review Halt deletion if image is deactivated patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256381/ | 14:46 |
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nikhil | thanks for bring this bunting! | 14:46 |
nikhil | moving on | 14:46 |
mclaren | do we really need a spec for a 45 line change? | 14:46 |
nikhil | heh | 14:47 |
mclaren | 40 lines are tests btw | 14:47 |
nikhil | well, let's discuss the approach on the review | 14:47 |
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nikhil | if it changes the API behavior we may need a (lite)spec | 14:47 |
nikhil | if it's just policies, I think we'd be fine | 14:47 |
mclaren | we have an APIchange commit tag | 14:48 |
nikhil | but we definitely need the latest documented behavior on deactivation | 14:48 |
nikhil | so we need to update history on the older spec | 14:48 |
nikhil | make sense? | 14:48 |
kairat | ++ to mclaren | 14:48 |
jokke_ | mclaren: I don't think the amount of code is the driving reson for specs, as said we have spec that specifies the current behavior. Just want to have it documented in the same place why we changed it so that in Ocata there is no bug removing these things as they are bug against the spec it should behave | 14:48 |
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nikhil | jokke_: very well put | 14:49 |
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jokke_ | s/spec it/spec how it/ | 14:49 |
nikhil | motto being: let's avoid back and forth discussions and changes and keep the code sensible for operators | 14:49 |
nikhil | moving on | 14:50 |
nikhil | #topic Glance priorities for Newton | 14:50 |
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nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-newton-priorities | 14:50 |
nikhil | I've added a few items | 14:50 |
nikhil | etherpad was created by Flavio (last week I think) | 14:50 |
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nikhil | we'd use it at the contri meetup | 14:51 |
nikhil | (at the summit) | 14:51 |
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nikhil | this was a info update | 14:51 |
nikhil | moving on | 14:51 |
nikhil | #topic CP summit sessions | 14:51 |
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nikhil | we need volunteers to be present at the _different_ CP sessions | 14:52 |
nikhil | I'd like to co-ordinate with the team so that we cover the breadth | 14:52 |
nikhil | #action nikhil: create etherpad to gather info regarding CP sessions interest from glance team | 14:53 |
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nikhil | moving on | 14:53 |
nikhil | #topic Glance mid cycle | 14:53 |
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nikhil | I got a first confirmation regarding the midcycle to happen in Boston | 14:53 |
nikhil | it will be from June 8-10 | 14:53 |
mfedosin | why so early? | 14:54 |
nikhil | let me know by Tuesday next week if you've any concerns | 14:54 |
nikhil | otherwise that will be the final plan | 14:54 |
nikhil | it's right after m1 | 14:54 |
jokke_ | it's overlapping with OpenStack Day Ireland | 14:54 |
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nikhil | and we'd have the spec freezer around m2 | 14:54 |
jokke_ | which is at 10th | 14:54 |
nikhil | jokke_: so would people prefer Mon-Wed instead? | 14:54 |
mclaren | I saw a mail, but was there some discussion on the venue at all? | 14:55 |
nikhil | mclaren: I'm trying to move fast this time | 14:55 |
nikhil | as I want to discuss import work | 14:55 |
nikhil | at the mid cycle too | 14:55 |
nikhil | Boston is almost at the midpoint for | 14:55 |
nikhil | west coast and EU zone | 14:55 |
jokke_ | Honestly don't take my comments too heavy in. Just wanted to point that out. I'm unlikely to participate anyways | 14:55 |
nikhil | I'd love to have mclaren sabari rosmaita to the very least at the venue | 14:56 |
nikhil | make sense? | 14:56 |
nikhil | feel free to give me your suggestions | 14:56 |
mclaren | I was going to blow people's minds and suggest a non-US venue for a change (we've hosted a couple of mid-cycles here in Galway for example) | 14:56 |
nikhil | this is WIP right now, nothing final no commitments made yet | 14:56 |
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* rosmaita mind is blown | 14:56 | |
* nikhil too | 14:57 | |
mclaren | lol, too easy | 14:57 |
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mclaren | anyway, wanted to throw that out there rather than put a spanner in the works | 14:57 |
nikhil | absolutely | 14:57 |
jokke_ | if it's Galway, I might be more likely preset (in the case I will be let into the building) :P | 14:57 |
mfedosin | mclaren: +1 for Galway - you have good beer | 14:57 |
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rosmaita | +1 | 14:57 |
jokke_ | ++ | 14:57 |
nikhil | and thanks for proposing (assuming: and willing to sponsor :D) | 14:57 |
rosmaita | quick poll: likely to get more attendance in galway vs. boston? | 14:58 |
jokke_ | iirc flaper might be here around that time as well ;) | 14:58 |
nikhil | btw, 2 mins | 14:58 |
nikhil | reply to that thread | 14:58 |
nikhil | I want to know who can and can't make it there | 14:58 |
mclaren | I'd probably be able to make both I think | 14:59 |
rosmaita | ok, will check with my manager this afternoon | 14:59 |
rosmaita | i really want to go to galway | 14:59 |
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jokke_ | 1min! | 14:59 |
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jokke_ | ;) | 14:59 |
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mfedosin | Galway! | 14:59 |
mclaren | we have outdoor and indoor activities :-) | 14:59 |
nikhil | we can discuss summit topics next meeting | 14:59 |
jokke_ | lets get the Galway option to the mailchain | 14:59 |
mclaren | http://blog.petercmurphy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/DSC_1928.jpg http://dd73muqoroywk.cloudfront.net/images/detailed/5/G6046.jpg?t=1428042089 | 14:59 |
rosmaita | and on the etherpad .... please record your interest, everyone | 15:00 |
jokke_ | and/or ML | 15:00 |
nikhil | I will have another theard around virtual meetup before summit | 15:00 |
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rosmaita | etherpad for design topics, i mean | 15:00 |
nikhil | jokke_: only if there won't be delay | 15:00 |
jokke_ | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
nikhil | otherwise I'm going with what's planned | 15:00 |
jokke_ | we're out of time | 15:00 |
nikhil | Thanks all for joining! | 15:00 |
nikhil | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
mclaren | thanks | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 15:00:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-31-13.59.html | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-31-13.59.txt | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-31-13.59.log.html | 15:00 |
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TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 15:01:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
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rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
yingjun | p/ | 15:01 |
RickA-HP | o/ | 15:01 |
yingjun | o/ | 15:01 |
sjmc7 | morning | 15:01 |
lei-zh | o/ | 15:01 |
lakshmiS_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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TravT | how is everybody today? | 15:01 |
RickA-HP | Fine, but windblown. | 15:02 |
stevelle | o/ | 15:02 |
rosmaita | medium | 15:02 |
TravT | o/ stevelle | 15:02 |
TravT | medium... that seems pretty average | 15:02 |
stevelle | just listening for the news | 15:02 |
yingjun | nice day, gonna sleep | 15:03 |
TravT | Allright, so let's get this going so yingjun can sleep. ;) | 15:03 |
TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
TravT | #topic client release | 15:03 |
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TravT | i was asked to create a searchlight client release so that a stable branch could be done | 15:03 |
TravT | so, we did that | 15:04 |
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TravT | 0.2.1 https://github.com/openstack/python-searchlightclient/releases | 15:04 |
TravT | it only included a couple of very minor items | 15:04 |
TravT | so, we were able to just do the .1 | 15:05 |
TravT | #topic mitaka rc2 | 15:05 |
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TravT | we need to get rc2 tagged on the mitaka branch | 15:05 |
sjmc7 | yeah, there are a couple of patches outstanding | 15:06 |
TravT | yes, they are very close i think | 15:06 |
TravT | here's what was targetted | 15:06 |
TravT | https://launchpad.net/searchlight/+milestone/mitaka-rc2 | 15:06 |
TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298947/ | 15:07 |
TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298315/ | 15:08 |
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TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298830/ | 15:08 |
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TravT | lakshmiS_: i just marked the functional tests as released | 15:09 |
TravT | since that got through infra yesterday, right? | 15:09 |
lakshmiS_ | Ok | 15:09 |
lakshmiS_ | Yes | 15:09 |
sjmc7 | that first review just needs another +2 | 15:09 |
TravT | yes, all of the above should be very quick | 15:10 |
sjmc7 | it’s a pretty straightforward change | 15:10 |
lakshmiS_ | I will take a look | 15:10 |
sjmc7 | the other one is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299733/ which fixes designate | 15:10 |
sjmc7 | which is a bit meatier | 15:10 |
TravT | yes, lakshmiS_ is that one going to be ready for serious consideration today | 15:10 |
sjmc7 | for bug #1550506 | 15:11 |
openstack | bug 1550506 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Designate record deletion using wrong event name" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550506 - Assigned to Lakshmi N Sampath (lakshmi-sampath) | 15:11 |
TravT | or do we need to bump it | 15:11 |
lakshmiS_ | Yes it is done | 15:11 |
sjmc7 | ok. i can test it this morning | 15:11 |
lakshmiS_ | I am adding functional tests | 15:11 |
lakshmiS_ | It has none to startwith | 15:11 |
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sjmc7 | given it doesn’t have any now i’m not going to make that a requirement to get this in | 15:12 |
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TravT | ok, there was a non-started medium on there, i just bumped it to newton. | 15:12 |
sjmc7 | yeah, we need to finish these off and call it | 15:13 |
TravT | so please review all of the above. once they land, sjmc7 has been cherry picking to stable/mitaka. | 15:13 |
TravT | i just bump them on through since they are cherry picks. | 15:14 |
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TravT | the only other thing i'd like to do before applying rc2 tag is to run a clean devstack from stable/mitaka just to double check. | 15:14 |
TravT | so, also on that list is the horizon plugin | 15:16 |
TravT | #topic horizon plugin | 15:16 |
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TravT | This is in pretty good shape. | 15:16 |
TravT | i've got one review up and one review i'm about to put up. | 15:16 |
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TravT | i let doug know that i'd be putting out a release request on it shortly... but obviously will need a few eyes on it. | 15:17 |
TravT | i did want to talk about project tracking for searchlight-ui for a minute | 15:18 |
TravT | i'd rather than we just track it in the searchlight lauchpad project for now | 15:18 |
TravT | there will also be some related changes in horizon that we need during newton. | 15:18 |
sjmc7 | that’s fine with me | 15:19 |
TravT | but i think our lives will be easier tracking it in the main searchlight project | 15:19 |
TravT | i've already opened a few bugs and BPs there. | 15:19 |
TravT | for the bugs, i'm tagging them with searchlight-ui | 15:19 |
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TravT | okay, any objections? | 15:20 |
sjmc7 | nope | 15:20 |
RickA-HP | Sounds good to me. | 15:20 |
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TravT | ok | 15:21 |
TravT | #topic hypervisor notifications | 15:21 |
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TravT | rosmaita: | 15:21 |
TravT | i believe this is your topic | 15:21 |
rosmaita | yep | 15:21 |
rosmaita | my action item was to see what the nova community thought of hypervisor notifications | 15:21 |
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rosmaita | they are cool with it, but will require a spec | 15:22 |
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TravT | great! | 15:22 |
yingjun | FYI, i created a spec in nova: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299807/ | 15:22 |
rosmaita | i can work with yingjun on that if help is needed | 15:22 |
rosmaita | already done then! | 15:22 |
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sjmc7 | :) | 15:22 |
yingjun | need to get some review on that:) | 15:22 |
rosmaita | ok, i will read & comment on spec | 15:22 |
TravT | i just added myself to that | 15:23 |
rosmaita | i can push at least one nova core to look, too | 15:23 |
sjmc7 | i can find someone too | 15:23 |
yingjun | nice | 15:23 |
TravT | :) | 15:23 |
TravT | any other discussion needed on this one? | 15:24 |
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rosmaita | that's all from me | 15:24 |
yingjun | nope | 15:24 |
TravT | #topic notifications | 15:24 |
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TravT | on a related note | 15:24 |
TravT | i've started this etherpad | 15:25 |
TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-notification-checklist | 15:25 |
TravT | very rough at the moment | 15:25 |
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TravT | so, i'm hoping that you all could help us fill it in | 15:25 |
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TravT | basically list of resource types | 15:25 |
TravT | known data we are missing from notifications | 15:26 |
TravT | any related bugs and bps | 15:26 |
TravT | so yingjun, adding the link to your hypervisor spec would be good. | 15:26 |
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TravT | i know we are tracking things in launchpad, but was trying to find a way to consolidate the info in one place on current status. | 15:27 |
TravT | etherpad may not be the best formatting tool, but seemed like a good collaboration tool to start with. | 15:27 |
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TravT | This leads into the next couple of topics | 15:31 |
TravT | newton and summit planning | 15:31 |
TravT | #topic newton and summit planning | 15:32 |
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TravT | For the summit we have 3 slots. | 15:32 |
TravT | 1 fishbowl and 2 working room slots | 15:32 |
TravT | right now, they are on Thursday and do not appear to overlap with glance or horizon sessions. | 15:33 |
rosmaita | wow, how did you manage that! | 15:34 |
sjmc7 | who’s gonna be at the summit? | 15:34 |
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TravT | rosmaita: i sent a message to mike perez requesting no overlap | 15:35 |
TravT | and he made it happen | 15:35 |
TravT | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-newton-summit | 15:35 |
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rosmaita | amazing what you can accomplish if you contact the correct people | 15:36 |
sjmc7 | last time i think we used the fishbowl to see who from other projects was interested? | 15:36 |
sjmc7 | and to get ideas from potential users | 15:36 |
TravT | so back to sjmc7's question | 15:36 |
TravT | anybody here going to be there? | 15:36 |
TravT | :) | 15:36 |
TravT | i will be | 15:36 |
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sjmc7 | :) if not we’ll go play minigolf instead | 15:37 |
TravT | we can just advertise free beer or something | 15:37 |
david-lyle | I'm in | 15:37 |
TravT | then shut the doors and lock them | 15:37 |
david-lyle | oh wait | 15:37 |
sjmc7 | “there is no punch and pie" | 15:37 |
TravT | hehe | 15:37 |
TravT | o/ david-lyle | 15:37 |
david-lyle | o/ | 15:38 |
TravT | so i think we have sjmc7, david-lyle, myself. | 15:38 |
rosmaita | me too | 15:38 |
TravT | rosmaita: awesome! | 15:38 |
rosmaita | (was trying to figure out appropriate ascii emoticon, gave up) | 15:38 |
TravT | you are bringing the beer right? | 15:38 |
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rosmaita | sure | 15:38 |
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yingjun | i might be there:) | 15:38 |
TravT | yingjun: that'd be great! | 15:39 |
TravT | lei-zh: any chance you will be there? | 15:39 |
rosmaita | or pie ... they allow guns in the venue, not sure about alcohol | 15:39 |
lei-zh | nope:-( | 15:39 |
sjmc7 | woo! | 15:39 |
sjmc7 | (to pie, not lei) | 15:39 |
rosmaita | (actually not sure about the guns, either) | 15:39 |
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TravT | rosmaita don't scare off everybody now! | 15:39 |
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TravT | lei-zh: that's too bad, i was thinking the notification forwarding would be a good candidate topic. | 15:40 |
sjmc7 | lei-zh: if there are people you work with who are going and it’d be useful for us to talk to, we can do that too | 15:40 |
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lei-zh | I think yuntong will be there | 15:41 |
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lei-zh | maybe he can talk about pipelne things | 15:42 |
TravT | we'll want to coordinate with the swift team as well | 15:42 |
lei-zh | pipeline, as well as the forwarding plugin | 15:42 |
TravT | ok, lei-zh, can you confirm with him and add that as a proposed topic on the etherpad? | 15:42 |
TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-newton-summit | 15:42 |
lei-zh | ok, I'll confirm with him | 15:43 |
notmyname | looks like seachlight has 2 working sessions? | 15:43 |
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TravT | notmyname: yes, 2 working sessions and one fishbowl | 15:43 |
notmyname | perhaps we can do a swift working session that doesn't conflict with those | 15:43 |
notmyname | unless it's soemthing that could be even larger as a full cross-project topic | 15:44 |
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TravT | possibly. | 15:44 |
TravT | i mean possibly could be broader. | 15:45 |
TravT | notmyname: sjmc7 got in touch with somebody to learn more about the rabbit issues | 15:45 |
TravT | with ceilometer | 15:45 |
TravT | and scalability | 15:45 |
TravT | the short story is that they were feeding all the logs from openstack into rabbit | 15:46 |
TravT | that is where they ran into trouble | 15:46 |
TravT | they didn't have trouble with normal service notifications | 15:46 |
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sjmc7 | well, that was from monasca i think | 15:46 |
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TravT | right, thanks for the clarifications sjmc7 | 15:47 |
notmyname | I added a searchlight topic to swift's planning etherpad. I'd love any extra details you can provide there https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-newton-summit-planning | 15:47 |
TravT | thanks notmyname | 15:47 |
sjmc7 | ok. i’m planning to talk to a few more folks here before the summit too | 15:47 |
sjmc7 | last few weeks have been a bit mad | 15:47 |
TravT | we have a BP to prototype the direct indexing library as well. | 15:48 |
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TravT | notmyname: just added some info | 15:50 |
TravT | to your etherpad | 15:50 |
notmyname | thanks | 15:50 |
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TravT | ok, next week we will need to spend more time on scheduling. so be thinking of topics and add to the etherpad | 15:51 |
TravT | #topic newton prioritization | 15:51 |
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TravT | We already have a list of candidate BP's for newton | 15:52 |
TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/newton | 15:52 |
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TravT | if you have BPs that you think should be on there, please propose them | 15:52 |
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sjmc7 | i was toying with the idea of adding one for localization | 15:53 |
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sjmc7 | it might be a pandora’s box | 15:53 |
david-lyle | lots of highs :-) | 15:53 |
TravT | EVERYTHING IS HIGH! | 15:53 |
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david-lyle | I know I am | 15:53 |
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TravT | lol | 15:53 |
david-lyle | colorado and all | 15:53 |
sjmc7 | every BP is just as important as the one that preceeds it, if not more so | 15:54 |
rosmaita | maybe i should bring brownies instead of pie | 15:54 |
david-lyle | sjmc7: localizing what? | 15:54 |
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sjmc7 | that is the question... | 15:54 |
sjmc7 | localizing error messages etc is trivial | 15:54 |
sjmc7 | but data, querying etc is not | 15:54 |
david-lyle | right but it's more about queries | 15:54 |
david-lyle | yes | 15:54 |
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david-lyle | I think you're comparing based on unicode | 15:55 |
sjmc7 | i guess naively you could set a locale for the installation and index appropriately | 15:55 |
david-lyle | and that's it, no? | 15:55 |
sjmc7 | yeah - e-s has variouis language tokenizers | 15:55 |
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david-lyle | but I can name an instance in russian and my colleague in german | 15:55 |
* david-lyle can't name instance in russian | 15:56 | |
david-lyle | but for example | 15:56 |
TravT | this might be important to consider in the cross region discussions | 15:56 |
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sjmc7 | yeah.. there’s a number of long and boring blog posts on this from elastic.co | 15:56 |
sjmc7 | for non-analyzed stuff (most of what we have) it’s fine | 15:56 |
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david-lyle | I guess status fields would be more interesting | 15:56 |
sjmc7 | but for tokenizing different languages have different rules | 15:56 |
lei-zh | is this only related to full text | 15:57 |
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sjmc7 | largely, yes lei-zh | 15:57 |
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TravT | status fields are the job of the ui to localize, i think. | 15:57 |
sjmc7 | for non-analyzed fields it’s direct comparison | 15:57 |
TravT | since they are enums | 15:57 |
sjmc7 | possibly, yeah. in any case, something we need to look at | 15:57 |
david-lyle | TravT: how about CLI? | 15:57 |
david-lyle | or API | 15:57 |
david-lyle | ? | 15:57 |
TravT | what does nova do for its status fields? | 15:58 |
TravT | can you request in a locale? | 15:58 |
david-lyle | I think so | 15:58 |
TravT | well, then that seems like a bug we should look at | 15:58 |
* david-lyle would have to check | 15:58 | |
sjmc7 | ok, so i will add a BP | 15:58 |
sjmc7 | at least to identify problem areas | 15:59 |
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sjmc7 | i’ll use my full command of foreign languages (speaking slowly and loudly) | 15:59 |
TravT | ok, that sounds fine. | 15:59 |
TravT | sjmc7 that is an excellent tactic | 15:59 |
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TravT | very english speaker of you | 15:59 |
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TravT | okay, we are out of time. | 16:00 |
TravT | please, look at the reviews mentioned | 16:00 |
TravT | so we can release rc2. | 16:00 |
TravT | thank you everybody! | 16:00 |
TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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sjmc7 | bye! | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 16:00:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-03-31-15.01.html | 16:00 |
david-lyle | Thanks | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-03-31-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-03-31-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:07 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 16:07:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:07 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:07 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:07 |
odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:07 |
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michaelgugino | here | 16:08 |
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prometheanfire | o\ | 16:08 |
serverascode | o/ | 16:08 |
jmccrory_ | o/ | 16:08 |
stevelle | o/ | 16:08 |
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cloudnull | o/ | 16:09 |
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odyssey4me | hi everyone - sorry for the late start, I was busy and all these DST changes confused me too | 16:10 |
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odyssey4me | #topic Release notes in IRRs | 16:10 |
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odyssey4me | Is palendae around? | 16:11 |
palendae | Am - I have not made much progress o nthis | 16:11 |
odyssey4me | well, you did in that we had a discussion with dhellmann about it and came to an understanding that it should be possible to do the roll-up | 16:11 |
odyssey4me | :) | 16:11 |
palendae | Yeah | 16:11 |
palendae | Brief summary | 16:11 |
palendae | We're going to look at making a post merge job for the IRRs that will copy out the release notes and submit them as a new patch to openstack-ansible | 16:12 |
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palendae | So the file will be duplicated, but the process of copying it will be automated. Approvals are still necessary though | 16:12 |
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spotz | o/ sorry was chatting:) | 16:13 |
odyssey4me | yeah, that's the gist of what's possible with no tooling changes to reno | 16:13 |
odyssey4me | thanks palendae - let me know if you need any help on it, we'll keep the topic on the agenda for follow up if that's ok? | 16:14 |
palendae | odyssey4me: Sure thing | 16:14 |
palendae | Mostly focused on upgrade testing right now, but I'll try to poke at this/priortize it when I have downtime | 16:14 |
palendae | I'll start with a demo script that pulls the necessary stuff out of a git commit and go from there | 16:15 |
odyssey4me | #topic Mitaka release decisions | 16:15 |
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stevelle | palendae: that sounds excellent, thanks | 16:15 |
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odyssey4me | A bit of feedback first. The short of it is that if we want to be included as part of the 'Mitaka' release, then we need to release on time with the rest of the OpenStack projects. We don't really have the ability to delay. | 16:16 |
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odyssey4me | That prety much means that we should be looking to branch, and therefore declare an RC today - and we'll tag the first release next week. | 16:16 |
odyssey4me | I think we're in reasonable shape. There is a lot that perhaps we should be doing to clean a few things up, but those are things we could easily backport if we feel they're really necessary. | 16:18 |
cloudnull | ++ | 16:18 |
spotz | odyssey4me We're still good to clean up though right? Cause I don't think we can not put out a RC | 16:18 |
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odyssey4me | Therefore I'd like to ask that all cores look specifically only to merge absolutely essential reviews, and to only workflow patches that are necessary. Docs patches and release notes can go through as normal, but nothing must change code unless it needs to. | 16:19 |
odyssey4me | This is release critical: https://review.openstack.org/300025 | 16:19 |
stevelle | I think that is an easy merge | 16:20 |
odyssey4me | Anything that improves tests is good in my books, so the awesome work that mattt's being putting in to normalise how the tests are done and to make them work better is good in my books. | 16:20 |
odyssey4me | I'd like us to branch tonight, so that master can progress and we can get on with merging anything we'd like. That said, the focal point would ideally be for us to be first finding anything that may be a release critical bug, and second to prepare reviews for things we want to propose and discuss at the summit. | 16:21 |
stevelle | When we do have the branch, should that be announced on the ML? | 16:22 |
cloudnull | ++ | 16:22 |
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odyssey4me | I can do that, although part of using the release team is that there are automated announcements. I'll discuss the way it works with them. | 16:22 |
odyssey4me | I think we may be missing the right gate job to automate the announcement, so I may have to do it manually anyway. | 16:23 |
stevelle | Right, was wondering if that would be automated | 16:23 |
odyssey4me | One of the benefits of releasing as an OpenStack project is that we can make use of the release team. That gets us a lot more awareness and formalised support. | 16:24 |
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spotz | +1 | 16:24 |
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odyssey4me | I'd like us to look through the review queue in the channel after the meeting and itemise reviews that are high priority. | 16:25 |
odyssey4me | Any thoughts, comments or questions? | 16:25 |
stevelle | I'll be there | 16:25 |
cloudnull | maybe we need to do this on an etherpad | 16:25 |
odyssey4me | good idea | 16:26 |
spotz | Sounds like a good plan, etherpad is good too | 16:26 |
cloudnull | that way we can track whats what | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | note also that we still have several bugs sitting: https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/13.0.0 | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | we'll need to decide whether to deal with them, or move them along | 16:26 |
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cloudnull | :LINK https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-release-reviews | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | thanks cloudnull | 16:26 |
spotz | I can eithre work on my 2 or tackle reviews just let me know what you need me to work on in the background of my day to days | 16:27 |
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odyssey4me | thanks spotz | 16:30 |
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odyssey4me | sorry - saw a squirrel on the etherpad :p | 16:30 |
spotz | odyseey4me I know right! | 16:30 |
odyssey4me | #topic Blueprint work | 16:30 |
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odyssey4me | I thought it might be nice to do a quick catch up on the blueprint stuff. | 16:31 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino I see you've got an OVS patch in the works. It looks in reasonable shape and seems likely that we may get a patch merged early in Newton. :) | 16:31 |
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odyssey4me | Any thoughts or questions relating to that? | 16:31 |
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michaelgugino | I added some comments to the review | 16:32 |
cloudnull | potential backport to mitaka? | 16:32 |
michaelgugino | We'll be backporting it to liberty locally, I believe. | 16:32 |
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odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/298765 | 16:32 |
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michaelgugino | In any case, I need some direction on the implementation. We can either implement the pattern we have now, or change linuxbridge_agent to something like l2plugin_agent | 16:33 |
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odyssey4me | Personally, I think that considering it's an opt-in feature we could backport to Mitaka quite happily before milestone-1 assuming that this is what our stakeholders/cores are keen on. | 16:33 |
michaelgugino | my only concern is that would potentially break backwards compatibility with older inventories. | 16:34 |
cloudnull | ++ i like the idea of doing something like "l2plugin_agent" which can be made as a child to the neutron_agent group. | 16:34 |
odyssey4me | hmm, that's a good question | 16:34 |
michaelgugino | or, just provide additional files in env.d such as 'nova-ovs.yml' etc | 16:34 |
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stevelle | inventory changes would be bad for a backport to mitaka. | 16:35 |
odyssey4me | I'd prefer to generalise the group name, and if the migration is an issue I'd rather we tool the migration. | 16:35 |
odyssey4me | But then yes, a backport would not be possible. | 16:35 |
cloudnull | or maybe keep the group structure as is and simply do something along the lines of what odyssey4me suggested with a setting of "neutron_network_type" ? | 16:36 |
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odyssey4me | That said - if the tooling was done in such a way that it's completely transparent, then it probably would be backportable. It all depends... but stevelle has raised a good point in that it would make the reviewers nervous. | 16:36 |
michaelgugino | I'm leaning more towards the extra files in the env.d | 16:36 |
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stevelle | that might be smoother | 16:37 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino I'm not fond of that idea at all. Our last resort should be to add more configuration files in user space. | 16:37 |
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cloudnull | michaelgugino: couldnt neutron_ovs_agent be added to https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/etc/openstack_deploy/env.d/neutron.yml#L51 | 16:37 |
stevelle | cleaner seems better than smoother in this case | 16:37 |
cloudnull | and with the component in here https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/etc/openstack_deploy/env.d/neutron.yml#L16 | 16:38 |
michaelgugino | I suppose it could. I'll have to rework some things to ensure that only one or the other is implemented | 16:38 |
michaelgugino | I think I have a good idea how to do that | 16:38 |
cloudnull | seems like there would be no need for a structural change if we went that route | 16:38 |
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odyssey4me | well, both groups can be there - it doesn't have to be one or the other in terms of the inventory | 16:38 |
cloudnull | it could follow something similar to the lbaas agent | 16:38 |
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mhayden | someone said lbaas | 16:39 |
odyssey4me | but yes - perhaps we should review the inventory for more specifics like this that should become generics - then we build some tooling around it | 16:39 |
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cloudnull | the lbaas agent is conditionally included and we can make the lxb / ovs agent do a similar thing | 16:39 |
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cloudnull | mhayden: dont you worry none | 16:39 |
cloudnull | :) | 16:39 |
spotz | hehe | 16:39 |
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michaelgugino | something like inventory_hostname in groups[neutron_services['{{ l2plugin_agent }}']['group']] | 16:40 |
cloudnull | +1 i think something like that would work well without having to worry about inventory issues if we backport | 16:41 |
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cloudnull | i think | 16:41 |
odyssey4me | also note that the inventory issue is simply a cosmetic one anyway - the name of the group seems wrong | 16:41 |
* cloudnull could be super off base | 16:41 | |
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michaelgugino | my preference is a single user variable to deploy OVS or LxB | 16:41 |
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cloudnull | +1 | 16:42 |
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odyssey4me | yep, the ironic and nuage plugins are kinda needing the same thing - a single var change that actions other var changes | 16:42 |
cloudnull | +1 | 16:43 |
odyssey4me | that's why I suggested using a var like 'neutron_network_type' which has a known set of values - something like linuxbridge, openvswitch, plumgrid or nuage. | 16:43 |
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odyssey4me | Then, based on that we set all the appropriate drivers and such. | 16:43 |
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michaelgugino | well, I don't prefer to call them neutron_network_type because it's really the ml2 plugin agent, not necessarily the network type | 16:44 |
michaelgugino | I want to try to match upstream's wording as closely as we can | 16:44 |
cloudnull | +1 | 16:44 |
odyssey4me | This could be done in a task using set_fact, but I'm not all that fond of that approach. I kinda like the way that the dict is being use din the neutron role to provide access in a simple way to the config files, etc. | 16:44 |
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odyssey4me | michaelgugino sure - the name was just a suggestion | 16:44 |
javeriak | don't we already have that, in neutron_plugin_type | 16:44 |
odyssey4me | as long as it's namespaced :) | 16:45 |
michaelgugino | ml2 is one plugin, plumgrid is another plugin | 16:45 |
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odyssey4me | you're right, we do :) | 16:45 |
michaelgugino | ml2 implements various agents, at least that's how it looks to me | 16:45 |
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odyssey4me | so the trouble is now that we need ml2.openvswitch :p | 16:45 |
cloudnull | so maybe thats the type | 16:46 |
cloudnull | ml2.linuxbridge | 16:46 |
cloudnull | ml2.ovs | 16:46 |
javeriak | you add another mls-ovs struct to the neutron_plugins list, with the relevant configs | 16:46 |
cloudnull | etc | 16:46 |
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odyssey4me | but yeah, I like that approach and would like to establish a pattern which we can use for other things in other roles | 16:46 |
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javeriak | ml2-ovs* etc | 16:46 |
cloudnull | ^ +1 | 16:46 |
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javeriak | here: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/liberty/playbooks/roles/os_neutron/defaults/main.yml#L87-L95 | 16:47 |
michaelgugino | I'm still thinking it should be neutron_ml2_type | 16:47 |
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michaelgugino | that dict doesn't really implement specific to OVS or LxB | 16:48 |
odyssey4me | Well, have a go at it the way you think, and let's continue in review. | 16:49 |
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odyssey4me | On another topic of interest - I'm told that we should have access to an experimental job to try out Ubuntu Xenial some time soon. | 16:49 |
michaelgugino | but, now I'm leaning the otherway, it might be a clean place to implement it, if not a little redundant. | 16:49 |
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javeriak | michaelgugino you should give whatever you think is best a try, we can help review | 16:50 |
odyssey4me | javeriak ++ | 16:50 |
michaelgugino | ok, will do. | 16:50 |
cloudnull | the mechanism drivers and such can go their too | 16:50 |
cloudnull | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/liberty/playbooks/roles/os_neutron/defaults/main.yml#L271-L272 | 16:50 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino also, there's nothing stopping you from doing two reviews to compare approaches | 16:50 |
michaelgugino | The biggest thing about 16.04 is the containers | 16:51 |
odyssey4me | cloudnull yeah, I think some of the clean up work we should do in the next cycle can also include doing things like this in smarter way | 16:51 |
odyssey4me | *ways | 16:51 |
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cloudnull | ++ | 16:51 |
michaelgugino | until we get that solved, it's going to be hard. After we solve the containers, that checks a lot of boxes for systemd support, and makes the support for CentOS much easier. | 16:52 |
odyssey4me | we can do away with a lot of logic in tasks and templates by using javeriak's clever mechanism | 16:52 |
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michaelgugino | I'm not familiar with javeriak's mechanism. | 16:53 |
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odyssey4me | the use of the predictable dict and reference to it is what I was referring to - basically what we've been discussing as a possible approach for the last 15 mins was implemented by javeriak :) | 16:54 |
odyssey4me | alright, we're almost out of time | 16:54 |
odyssey4me | #topic Open discussion | 16:54 |
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odyssey4me | Does anyone have anything specific they want to mention before we close. | 16:54 |
odyssey4me | Or question? | 16:55 |
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michaelgugino | has anyone implemented a simple inventory cmdb for this project? Or using one? | 16:56 |
stevelle | hah | 16:56 |
cloudnull | michaelgugino: no. | 16:56 |
cloudnull | not that im aware of | 16:56 |
stevelle | great idea though | 16:56 |
michaelgugino | it would be nice to have an api I can call to get my inventory instead of the giant json file. | 16:56 |
cloudnull | but that is our oldest blueprint | 16:56 |
cloudnull | michaelgugino: stevelle odyssey4me and i pondered using etcd for that at the ops summit | 16:56 |
odyssey4me | alright, let's move that to the channel (or the summit inventory revisit session) | 16:56 |
cloudnull | but i've not done anything with it as of yet | 16:57 |
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odyssey4me | we need to move on - thank you all for attending! | 16:57 |
spotz | o/ | 16:57 |
odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 16:57:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-03-31-16.07.html | 16:57 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-03-31-16.07.txt | 16:57 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-03-31-16.07.log.html | 16:57 |
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cloudnull | o/ | 16:59 |
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cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 17:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
cathy_ | hi s3wong | 17:00 |
pcarver | Hello | 17:00 |
cathy_ | hi pcarver | 17:00 |
s3wong | hello | 17:00 |
raofei | Hello | 17:01 |
sridhar_ram | o/ | 17:01 |
cathy_ | hi raofei sridhar_ram | 17:01 |
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vishnoianil | pcarver, s3wong cathy_ hi everyone | 17:01 |
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LouisF | hi | 17:01 |
cathy_ | hi vishnoianil | 17:01 |
cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:01 |
s3wong | vishnoianil: hi | 17:01 |
cathy_ | let's start | 17:01 |
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cathy_ | #topic ODL SFC Driver to networking-sfc | 17:02 |
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cathy_ | vishnoianil: From last meeting log, I see that you have interest in working on an ODL driver to networking-sfc, right? | 17:02 |
vishnoianil | cathy_, i am currently working the blue print for the ODL SFC driver, planning to push it by this week | 17:02 |
cathy_ | vishnoianil: great | 17:02 |
vishnoianil | cathy_, i discuss it with tim and also to isaku, | 17:03 |
vishnoianil | cathy_, i heard that Yi from Intel is also interested in it, so will sync up with him as well | 17:03 |
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s3wong | vishnoianil: is yamahata involved with ODL SFC also? | 17:03 |
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vishnoianil | he is networking-odl PTL | 17:04 |
s3wong | vishnoianil: I know he is in general the lead for ODL <-> Neutron integration at the ODL community, but not sure if he is involved specifically with ODL SFC | 17:04 |
cathy_ | Good. Yi Yang already sent me email discussing on this. It will be good to sync up with him. | 17:04 |
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vishnoianil | s3wong, nope, he is not | 17:04 |
raofei | How much difference between ODL north API and networking-sfc:) | 17:05 |
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vishnoianil | raofei, that's the exercise tim and me are doing | 17:05 |
vishnoianil | raofei, if we find some support on the difference from networking-sfc, we will bring up for the discussion | 17:06 |
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raofei | ok, so the adapter workload is not too much, right? | 17:06 |
raofei | :) | 17:06 |
vikram | Sorry to be late | 17:06 |
cathy_ | raofei: In IETF, there are 3 levels of SFC API abstraction, SFC, SFP, RSP. You can think of networking-sfc as the SFP abstraction level API and ODL level as the RSP abstraction level API. Tacker as the highest abstraction level SFC API | 17:06 |
cathy_ | vikram: np | 17:06 |
raofei | OK | 17:07 |
s3wong | vishnoianil, raofei: I believe ODL SFC has a different concept on SFC --- SFC for them is template / staging of the chain | 17:07 |
cathy_ | The ODL driver to networking-sfc should do the mapping. | 17:07 |
* s3wong sees that cathy_ already pointed that out above... :-) | 17:07 | |
vishnoianil | s3wong, odl sfc is quite a bit complex then the api we have in networking-sfc | 17:08 |
cathy_ | vishnoianil: we are looking forward to the BP for ODL driver:-) | 17:08 |
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s3wong | vishnoianil: ODL SFC is doing a lot more than just port chaining | 17:09 |
vishnoianil | so as far as networking-sfc api can be transalated to sfc yang models, things should be fine | 17:09 |
raofei | yes, I think so. The forwarding solution is different, but they can use the same abstract API. | 17:09 |
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cathy_ | vishnoianil: ODL SFC has two types of APIs. What is really implemented in ODL is the RSP API and the ODL driver can just map networking SFC API to the ODL RSP API | 17:09 |
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vishnoianil | cathy_, s3wong probably we will have some hitch on things where odl-sfc needs more details and networking-sfc don't provide that through existing api | 17:10 |
s3wong | vishnoianil: the SFP portion (as cathy_ alluded to) of ODL SFC should be fully supported by networking-sfc APIs today | 17:10 |
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cathy_ | If there is any extension needed and those extensions are generic to all controllers (ODL, ONOS etc.), then sure we can add them | 17:11 |
vishnoianil | s3wong, yes i hope so, but devil is in details, so hopefully we won't get any big road block :) | 17:11 |
vishnoianil | cathy_, that's great! | 17:11 |
vishnoianil | cathy_, will push BP sometime this week. | 17:12 |
cathy_ | vishnoianil: great, thanks. | 17:12 |
vishnoianil | and then let us jump on the implementation, we will have better feedback loop | 17:12 |
vishnoianil | on the real detals | 17:12 |
sridhar_ram | cathy_: I'd also argue of one controller supports a feature that other doesn't we still need to consider accommodating that | 17:12 |
vishnoianil | cathy_, thanks networking-sfc team for all your support | 17:12 |
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sridhar_ram | s/of/if/ | 17:12 |
vikram | vishnoianil: please consider current onos implementation as well | 17:12 |
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cathy_ | sridhar_ram: agree | 17:13 |
vishnoianil | vikram, sure, i will | 17:13 |
vikram | Thanks | 17:13 |
cathy_ | what I mean is that we will not add an extension to just accommodate a specific controller implementation | 17:14 |
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cathy_ | If it is for a enhancement feature, sure we will support it | 17:14 |
sridhar_ram | cathy_: hopefully we should've such a need .. in general I notice ODL SFC has iterated over few years now and has wealth of features | 17:14 |
* sridhar_ram argh.. | 17:14 | |
cathy_ | vishnoianil: you are welcome! | 17:14 |
cathy_ | sridhar_ram: sure | 17:15 |
sridhar_ram | cathy_: thanks! | 17:15 |
cathy_ | let's go to next topic? | 17:15 |
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cathy_ | #action vishnoianil will push BP sometime this week. | 17:16 |
cathy_ | #topic Networking-sfc driver to Tacker | 17:16 |
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LouisF | we have the spec in review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290771/ | 17:17 |
cathy_ | LouisF: Yes, I see that. Thanks! | 17:17 |
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cathy_ | Is Tim online? | 17:17 |
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LouisF | Tim has added some comments and we are working through them | 17:18 |
cathy_ | LouisF: yes, I already replied to all his comments and I think we have reached consensus. | 17:19 |
sridhar_ram | cathy_: I believe Tim couldn't make it to this call due to a conflict | 17:19 |
s3wong | cathy_: trozet is sort of inactive at #tacker | 17:19 |
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cathy_ | sridhar_ram: OK, thanks for the info | 17:19 |
LouisF | s3wong: he posted comments on the review recenetly | 17:20 |
sridhar_ram | s3wong: not really.. he is quite active pushing updates to both vnffg plugin and reviewing n-sfc driver in tacker | 17:20 |
cathy_ | s3wong: could you clarify what you mean by that? I see that he has been addressing comments and replying to comments | 17:20 |
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LouisF | sridhar_ram: i agree Tim has been working hard | 17:20 |
s3wong | LouisF: I saw that cathy_ has addressed some of trozet's comments | 17:21 |
LouisF | sridhar_ram: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290771/ | 17:21 |
s3wong | sridhar_ram: no, what I meant is trozet at this moment isn't active on #tacker, although he is on #tacker | 17:21 |
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sridhar_ram | LouisF: I've been following that, looks it is shaping up well.. now that Tacker mitaka release is out, I'll have more time to participate in this discussion | 17:22 |
sridhar_ram | s3wong: ah, I see... | 17:22 |
LouisF | sridhar_ram: I think networking-sfc can accomodate most of what Tim comments | 17:22 |
sridhar_ram | LouisF: that's good.. my understanding was, we need to passthru' "service_type" and possibly few other metadata | 17:23 |
LouisF | sridhar_ram: yes | 17:23 |
cathy_ | From the latest round of comments to n-sfc driver, the only action item is that Tim will check with Brady and see if we can make the VNF type param in ODL API optional since we both think it is not mandatory required and used. | 17:23 |
cathy_ | VNF type = service_type | 17:24 |
sridhar_ram | cathy_: Agree, it will be nice if ODL doesn't care about the type | 17:25 |
cathy_ | yes, after we hear back from Tim, we can probably get the spec approved and move to implementation. | 17:26 |
cathy_ | sridhar_ram: will you or Tim or s3wong help with some of the implementation? | 17:26 |
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s3wong | cathy_: I can help, either on Tacker or networking-sfc :-) | 17:26 |
sridhar_ram | s3wong: thanks! | 17:27 |
cathy_ | s3wong: great. | 17:28 |
cathy_ | sridhar_ram: we can work on the n-sfc driver side and s3wong can work on the tacker coding side. | 17:28 |
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s3wong | cathy_: I can even work on the networking-sfc side :-) | 17:28 |
cathy_ | s3wong: great, thanks! | 17:29 |
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cathy_ | move on to next topic? | 17:29 |
sridhar_ram | cathy_: here is my understanding on the ownership... | 17:29 |
sridhar_ram | trozet: owns Tacker VNFFG plugin side | 17:30 |
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cathy_ | sridhar_ram: sounds good | 17:30 |
sridhar_ram | For Tacker networking-sfc driver - s3wong and LouisF ? | 17:30 |
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LouisF | sridhar_ram: we can work on that once the spec is approved | 17:31 |
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sridhar_ram | LouisF: sounds good .. thanks! | 17:31 |
cathy_ | sridhar_ram: so trozet owns and will do coding on the Tacker VNFFG plugin side, s3wong and LouisF will do the coding on the n-sfc driver side once the spec is approved and merged | 17:31 |
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sridhar_ram | cathy_: sounds like a plan ! lock it now :) | 17:32 |
cathy_ | #agreed trozet owns and will do coding on the Tacker VNFFG plugin side, s3wong and LouisF will do the coding on the n-sfc driver side once the spec is approved and merged | 17:32 |
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cathy_ | we are assigning trozet work without him being present here:-) | 17:33 |
cathy_ | #topic “Symmetric” parameter in the chain_param and let the underlying driver handle creating a reverse chain | 17:33 |
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cathy_ | vishnoianil: this extension comes from discussion with YiYang for ODL support | 17:34 |
cathy_ | I think it is reasonable to support symmetric chain | 17:34 |
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cathy_ | so we need a parameter in the API for specifying that | 17:34 |
vishnoianil | cathy_, okay | 17:35 |
cathy_ | when this parameter is specified, n-sfc will pass it to the controller and the controller will handle creating a reverse chain. | 17:35 |
cathy_ | make sense to everyone? | 17:35 |
s3wong | cathy_: +1 --- it should be driver's work | 17:35 |
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LouisF | cathy_: that would be the best approach | 17:36 |
vishnoianil | cathy_, make sense to me | 17:36 |
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cathy_ | pcarver: raofei Ok with you? | 17:37 |
raofei | there are many kind of chaining for different scenario. Symmetric is one of them. | 17:38 |
pcarver | cathy_: Sure | 17:38 |
cathy_ | It seems vikram and mohan keep being disconnected | 17:38 |
fsunaval | Cathy, yes, the symmetric parameter makes sense. | 17:38 |
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LouisF | we can add that to the chain parameter | 17:38 |
raofei | so I think it's necessary that this parameter is not only indicate the symmetric | 17:39 |
cathy_ | #agreed we will add "symmetric" in the chain_param and n-sfc will pass it to the driver and let the underlying driver handle creating a reverse chain | 17:39 |
raofei | ok | 17:39 |
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cathy_ | raofei: we can have other chain_param extensions too. we can add them later when there is a requirement coming up. But if you have any thought now , please speak up | 17:41 |
raofei | It's better to make this parameter user-defined, but not only indicate 'symmetric' | 17:42 |
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cathy_ | raofei: could you clarify what you mean by "user-defined" and what else to indicate? | 17:42 |
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raofei | I mean we don't define a API attribute for one scenario. try to make it extensionable. | 17:44 |
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raofei | All of you are same meaning, right? | 17:45 |
raofei | :) | 17:45 |
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raofei | go on please | 17:46 |
cathy_ | Not sure what you mean. Maybe we can discuss off line. OK with you? | 17:46 |
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raofei | OK | 17:46 |
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cathy_ | #topic “SFC path-ID” parameter in the chain_param for supporting the wireless Gi-Lan scenario | 17:46 |
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cathy_ | This requirement comes from the wireless Gi-LAN user | 17:47 |
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cathy_ | In the Gi-LAN scenario, the classifier is done on a separate entity called PCEF which is out of the control domain of OpenStack but the SF chain itself is under the control of openstack n-sfc | 17:48 |
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raofei | Do we need to change the API for this scenario? | 17:49 |
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trozet | im back in case anyone has a question for me ( I know we switched topics) | 17:49 |
cathy_ | So in order to co-ordinate the chain path ID in the data plane (the classifier will add the chain path ID in the packet and the vSwitch will forward the packet based on this path ID), | 17:49 |
LouisF | see the IETF draft on PCEP extensions https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc/ | 17:49 |
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cathy_ | a centralized Mano component will generate the chain path ID and pass it down to both PCEF and n-sfc. | 17:50 |
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cathy_ | So our n-sfc API needs to have a place for upper layer Mano-like component to pass this information | 17:51 |
cathy_ | trozet: welcome back. | 17:51 |
trozet | cathy_: thanks :) sorry I missed the first half | 17:52 |
cathy_ | we can add this path ID in the chain_param since this path ID is associated with a chain and is a unique identifier of the chain in the data plane | 17:52 |
cathy_ | make sense to everyone? | 17:52 |
trozet | cathy_: i think that may even be useful for ODL implementation as well | 17:53 |
raofei | make sense to me | 17:53 |
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cathy_ | trozet: we discussed the status of the n-sfc driver to Tacker and the VNFFG Plugin. I think we resolved most items in n-sfc driver patch and the only left item is that you will check with Brady and see if we can make the VNF type param in ODL API optional since we both think it is not mandatory required and used. | 17:55 |
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trozet | cathy_: yeah will do that and get back to you | 17:55 |
LouisF | cathy_: seems like a good solution | 17:55 |
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cathy_ | trozet: thanks. Also you may want to check the logs of this meeting. There is some work assignment for you (design and coding of the VNFFG Plugin piece) :-) | 17:56 |
trozet | cathy_: sounds good. I already have that here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286802/ | 17:57 |
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trozet | cathy_: need to rebase it and add unit tests, then add other functionality thats missing | 17:57 |
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trozet | I'll add you and Lous as reviewers | 17:58 |
trozet | Louis* | 17:58 |
cathy_ | trozet: sounds good. thanks | 17:58 |
LouisF | trozet: is that the sfcc_id? | 17:58 |
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trozet | LouisF: sfcc_id is classifier ID | 17:59 |
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LouisF | trozet: what attribute in the patch is the path id? | 18:00 |
trozet | LouisF: It's not, in the POC ODL creates it automatically, but it would be good to have the ability to specify one | 18:00 |
LouisF | trozet: ok | 18:00 |
trozet | LouisF: you can add that as a comment if you want to the spec | 18:01 |
cathy_ | trozet: looks like you agree with adding the ID in the API. | 18:01 |
LouisF | trozet: will review | 18:01 |
trozet | cathy_: yeah | 18:01 |
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fsunaval | I am fine with adding the chain id in the API param | 18:02 |
cathy_ | #agreed add the path ID in the API chain_param | 18:02 |
LouisF | bye | 18:02 |
cathy_ | time is up. Let's continue our discussion next time. | 18:02 |
s3wong | bye | 18:02 |
cathy_ | bye everyone | 18:02 |
cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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