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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 15:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 15:00 |
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| mfisch | bon matin | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #link meeting URL https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20160216 | 15:00 |
| degorenko | hey o/ | 15:00 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: I love when you speak french. | 15:00 |
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| mfisch | pas ne probleme | 15:01 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | hi | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic Review past action items | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | investigate release:cycle-with-milestones and if we need to follow other projects schedule -> see ML, we have a thread about Mitaka beta tag and release discussion | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | sends a proposal to ML about pushing first mitaka beta tag -> done | 15:02 |
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| mwhahaha | o/ | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | investigate concat issue on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276961/ -> degorenko reviewed it, not sure we actually need this patch | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: I think we can skip the pki topic, since we merged your patch | 15:02 |
| degorenko | there is no update for patch | 15:02 |
| mfisch | EmilienM: we did? | 15:02 |
| degorenko | so yeah, i'm not sure about this :) | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: we did | 15:03 |
| Hunner | o/ | 15:03 |
| mfisch | no we didnt that I see | 15:03 |
| mfisch | oh nm | 15:03 |
| mfisch | its waiting on Jenkins | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | yes | 15:03 |
| mfisch | ok skip it! | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | #topic mitaka beta release | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka beta release (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:03 | |
| EmilienM | are you agree if I push a first tag by this week or early next week? | 15:04 |
| mfisch | I think a beta tag is a good idea | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | zigo: fyi ^ | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | I also talked with rdo folks, they'll also use it | 15:04 |
| mfisch | it should not imply any support though | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | right | 15:05 |
| zigo | o/ | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | this tag is not considered as stable | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | but just useful for packagers | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | great, so by lazy concensus, I'll push a tag | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to push a mitaka beta tag | 15:06 |
| zigo | Exactly. I don't expect maintenance, just a reference point. I could open a launchpad bug and write: "Using mitaka b3 tag, with puppet-cinder, I had <description-of-the-issue>" | 15:06 |
| zigo | That's the whole point. | 15:06 |
| mfisch | yep | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | cool | 15:06 |
| mfisch | we can find issues sooner then probably | 15:06 |
| zigo | So that we all know what we're talking about. | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | any question about the beta release? | 15:06 |
| zigo | Also, I want to make sure I'm using a package set designed to work together. ie: openstack-lib meant for puppet-nova, for example. | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | zigo: that's the idea | 15:08 |
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| zigo | We don't for sure need to wait for beta 3, if you'd produce a b2.1 for example, even now, I'd use it. | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | zigo: our CI is testing modules together | 15:08 |
| zigo | The sooner the better. | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | zigo: sure, we are release independants | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | so we basically do what we want | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | I'll just keep an open window if people want to land patches before the tag | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | and produce the tag by the end of the week or early next week if CI is not broken | 15:09 |
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| EmilienM | #topic keystone-manage bootstrap | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keystone-manage bootstrap (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:09 | |
| EmilienM | so we have this new bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-keystone/+bug/1545767 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1545767 in puppet-keystone "puppet-keystone needs to transition to keystone-manage bootstrap" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sofer Athlan-Guyot (sofer-athlan-guyot) | 15:09 |
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| chem | I've started to look into | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | which is I would say pain in the *ss | 15:10 |
| chem | nothing to show yet | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | basically, we'll have to redefine the way we bootstrap keystone | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | and use `keystone-manage bootstrap` tool | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | maybe for this one we need a blueprint | 15:11 |
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| chem | the kind of just run once and after forget about it, is awkward to implement :) | 15:11 |
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| chem | I'll start with a bluebrint unless somebody else want to do it :) | 15:11 |
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| EmilienM | the tl;dr is: the use of ``admin_token_auth`` is deprecated in favor | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | + of using the ``keystone-manage bootstrap`` CLI | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | chem: you can go ahead, you have enough background in puppet-keystone to lead this work if you want to | 15:13 |
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| chem | ack | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | richm is not around but we also need to ask for his help maybe | 15:13 |
| chem | will start with a blueprint of whatever idea come to my mind :) | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: feel free to also look if you have time | 15:13 |
| mfisch | ok | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | we don't have to fix it for Mitaka | 15:13 |
| mfisch | I know its deprecated but wonder how long the admin token will be around | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | admin_token_auth is only deprecated so we can still use it | 15:14 |
| mfisch | I'd be happy to help with a blueprint chem | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | cool, thanks guys | 15:14 |
| chem | mfisch: cool :) | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | #action mfisch and chem to initiate a blueprint about admin_token_auth deprecation | 15:14 |
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| EmilienM | #topic switch creating cinder types to providers | 15:15 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273513/ | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: o/ | 15:15 |
| degorenko | hey :) | 15:15 |
| degorenko | i mostly done with trhis patch | 15:15 |
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| degorenko | thanks to chem for reviewing and help me :) | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | chem is our hero of the week | 15:15 |
| degorenko | i have a couple of questions | 15:15 |
| chem | hoho | 15:15 |
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| degorenko | 1) question to chem: i've addressed your comment yesterday :) | 15:16 |
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| degorenko | 2) do we need some cache for list types? :) | 15:16 |
| chem | degorenko: looking | 15:16 |
| degorenko | if there is no any blockers - i guess we can land it, i've tested it on my env | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | I think so, if we end up with a lot of types... might be useful to cache them | 15:16 |
| degorenko | and also there are two patches to openstack-integration | 15:16 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, ack, then i will add such possibility | 15:17 |
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| chem | degorenko: you're only doing one request here, I don't think you need to cache the resulting structure | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: that can be in a future patch I think since you don't introduce a regression | 15:17 |
| chem | EmilienM: I do not agree :) | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | the previous implementation did not have any cache | 15:17 |
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| degorenko | chem, cache for list types - in case of we want to create many types, but i'm not sure, that we can have such case | 15:18 |
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| * EmilienM reading again https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273513/11/lib/puppet/provider/cinder_type/openstack.rb | 15:18 | |
| degorenko | like it done now for aggregates | 15:18 |
| degorenko | in nova | 15:18 |
| chem | self.instances is called only once and 'volume type list' as well I think | 15:19 |
| * chem grepping | 15:19 | |
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| degorenko | it should be called for every resource with this type, shouldn't it? | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | I also thought that | 15:20 |
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| chem | self.instance called once at prefetch time | 15:21 |
| chem | and so is volume type list | 15:21 |
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| _ody_ | correct. I was just about it ask if the worry was the number of resources created or the number of times the cinder api would be hit | 15:21 |
| _ody_ | (chem's correct I mean) | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | we worry about #2 | 15:22 |
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| EmilienM | I think? | 15:22 |
| degorenko | yes | 15:22 |
| chem | EmilienM: that's what I'm saying no need to cache something that is called only once, no ? | 15:22 |
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| EmilienM | ok, my bad | 15:22 |
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| degorenko | chem, so, if we have a couple resource of one type we anyway have one self.instances calling for all of them? | 15:23 |
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| _ody_ | Nah. self.instances runs for an instance of the provider, not an instance of a type. So it should only run once. | 15:24 |
| chem | degorenko: not sure I fully understand the functional side of it, but on the puppet side self.instances will be called onec | 15:24 |
| chem | in the prefetch to find out the type that exists or the one that should be created | 15:24 |
| degorenko | _ody_, ah, ok, got it | 15:24 |
| degorenko | then yes, looks like we don't need to cache it | 15:25 |
| degorenko | because we have only one provider here | 15:25 |
| degorenko | for now | 15:25 |
| chem | exactly :) | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: have you seen all chem's comment on the patch? | 15:25 |
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| degorenko | EmilienM, i've addressed it, no? | 15:25 |
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| EmilienM | degorenko: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273513/11/spec/unit/provider/cinder_type/openstack_spec.rb | 15:25 |
| degorenko | ah, you are about type :D | 15:25 |
| degorenko | typo* | 15:26 |
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| degorenko | yeah, ok, i will update it, sure | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | I think after that, we're ready to land it | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | will wait for chem's +1 though | 15:26 |
| degorenko | nice, thanks everyone | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage (submit modules to triage here) | 15:27 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | can I start about horizon? | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | IvanBerezovskiy: go ahead! | 15:27 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | I want to provide an ability to run collectstatic&compress for horizon on ubuntu/debian packages: | 15:27 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280181/ | 15:27 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | Now this exec resource is defined only in case of rpms. | 15:27 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | But sometimes (e.g. usage of custom theme) we need to re-run collectstatic&compress again even for ubuntu/debian packages. | 15:27 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | zigo blocks this change because as he says it can break Debian horizon package completely. | 15:27 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | but my point is to do not trigger collectstatic&compress by default, just to provide an ability for this. | 15:27 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | With this patch users will be able to trigger it from orchestration level if needed | 15:27 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | so, I wanna know your opinion here | 15:27 |
| zigo | Well, it does indeed !!! | 15:28 |
| degorenko | zigo, it will not :) | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | if $::os_package_type == 'rpm' and $compress_offline | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | it works only on rpm systems? | 15:28 |
| zigo | Do only compress, not collectstatic, and I'll aproove. | 15:28 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | zigo: I don't run anything by default | 15:29 |
| skolekonov | We don't talk only about Debian packages here | 15:29 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | for debian | 15:29 |
| zigo | degorenko: IT WILL !!! | 15:29 |
| degorenko | zigo: NO | 15:29 |
| zigo | YES | 15:29 |
| degorenko | because we have refrechonly property | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | hey kids | 15:29 |
| zigo | The static "folder" in Debian is a SYMLINK. | 15:29 |
| zigo | You can't write stuff in there AT ALL. | 15:29 |
| degorenko | we don't touch anything | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | yep, the refreshonly helps here | 15:29 |
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| degorenko | we just move declaring exec stuff under if to main block | 15:30 |
| zigo | In Debian, no collecstatic should happen at all. | 15:30 |
| degorenko | we will NOT run it by default | 15:30 |
| zigo | Zero. | 15:30 |
| zigo | Niet. | 15:30 |
| mwhahaha | you know it fails on rdo | 15:30 |
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| skolekonov | zigo, again, we don't talk about Debian packages itself. Packages can follow Debian schemes but be different in fact | 15:30 |
| zigo | Well, the patch is replacing os_package_type by operatingsystem. | 15:31 |
| zigo | That's wrong. | 15:31 |
| degorenko | where? | 15:31 |
| skolekonov | Agree, we should use os_package_type here | 15:31 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | zigo, please take a look on latest patchset | 15:31 |
| zigo | degorenko: Well, look at the patch yourself, it's easy to search... | 15:31 |
| zigo | Oh, ok, let me look again. | 15:32 |
| degorenko | zigo: are you looking at latest patch set? | 15:32 |
| degorenko | or just for old version? | 15:32 |
| zigo | Doing now. | 15:32 |
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| zigo | What I've -1 is the latest patch at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280181/ | 15:32 |
| zigo | We're talking about the same thing, right? | 15:33 |
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| degorenko | but here no any changes of os_package_type | 15:33 |
| skolekonov | zigo, yep, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280181/4/manifests/init.pp | 15:33 |
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| zigo | Hum... | 15:33 |
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| zigo | It looks like I missread the patch. | 15:34 |
| zigo | Too many beers yesterday evening? :P | 15:34 |
| skolekonov | :) | 15:34 |
| zigo | Ah no... | 15:34 |
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| zigo | You're removing the conditional, no ? | 15:34 |
| zigo | There used to be: | 15:34 |
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| skolekonov | zigo, yes, bu he leaves refreshonly => true, | 15:34 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | no, I am moving 'exec' resource out of condition | 15:34 |
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| zigo | if $::os_package_type == 'rpm' { | 15:35 |
| zigo | before the collectstatic. | 15:35 |
| zigo | That's now removed. | 15:35 |
| zigo | I don't agree with this. | 15:35 |
| mwhahaha | zigo: refreshonly means it only gets run when it's notified | 15:35 |
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| mwhahaha | it's not always run | 15:35 |
| mwhahaha | that i think is your misunderstanding | 15:35 |
| degorenko | ^ that's what i'm talking about :) thanks | 15:35 |
| zigo | Don't you want to do "refreshonly" in case of Debian then? | 15:36 |
| mwhahaha | so it exists but won't be executed until the item on line 400 | 15:36 |
| degorenko | no | 15:36 |
| zigo | Like, how will it change theme in Debian? | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | of anyone else has patches or bugs, please send it here | 15:36 |
| degorenko | there are no changes for debian at all | 15:36 |
| zigo | Is the compress called? | 15:36 |
| skolekonov | no | 15:36 |
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| zigo | Well, it should ! :) | 15:36 |
| degorenko | zigo: it will not, because it will not run | 15:36 |
| zigo | To what I've experienced, when changing a theme, I need to run compress in Debian. | 15:36 |
| skolekonov | That's another problem I guess | 15:37 |
| skolekonov | To re-run compress | 15:37 |
| zigo | Horizon guys said it wouldn't be necessary for Mitaka, but I'm not sure if the feature was implemented. | 15:37 |
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| zigo | Right... | 15:37 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | now we don't run collectstatic&compress from module for debian, I am keeping the same approach | 15:37 |
| zigo | I've voted +1 then. | 15:38 |
| degorenko | \o/ nice | 15:38 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | thanks | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | finally | 15:38 |
| zigo | But really, when switching theme, we shall re-run compress. | 15:38 |
| skolekonov | Thanks, looks like we understood each other | 15:38 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | EmilienM: sorry for taking to much time, but finally we've found solution | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | cool -- do we have anything else for today? | 15:38 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | s/to/too | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | IvanBerezovskiy: no problem, meetings are here for that | 15:38 |
| zigo | Well, *I* am sorry for my missunderstanding of the patch. | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | and zigo will pay beers in Austin | 15:39 |
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| zigo | Thanks for your patience. | 15:39 |
| zigo | Will do. | 15:39 |
| zigo | Not sure I'll drink many myself, considering the effect it had on me today... :P | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | I'll let the meeting open one more minute if someone has anything else | 15:39 |
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| zigo | Well, something to add: can someone add the offline compress stuff when changing theme ? :) | 15:40 |
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| zigo | Or was it implemented in Horizon that we don't need it? | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | zigo: please file a bug in launchpad/puppet-horizon so it's in our radar - thanks | 15:40 |
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| EmilienM | I have no idea | 15:40 |
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| zigo | Will do. | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | thanks folks | 15:40 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | thanks | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | have a nice week and take care. Also eat vegetables, it's good for you. | 15:41 |
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| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 15:41:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-02-16-15.00.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-02-16-15.00.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-02-16-15.00.log.html | 15:41 |
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| Hunner | hah | 15:42 |
| zigo | EmilienM: https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-horizon/+bug/1546154 | 15:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546154 in puppet-horizon "manage.py compress --force must be called after changing theme" [Undecided,New] | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | zigo: thx man | 15:43 |
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| minwang2 | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:01 |
| xgerman | last time I heard from mugs he was flooded | 16:01 |
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| johnsom | Work, whiskey, or water? | 16:02 |
| johnsom | mugsie Ping | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 16:03:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:03 |
| johnsom | Well, I will get the party started at least. | 16:04 |
| johnsom | I'm not sure if there is anything new to report. | 16:04 |
| johnsom | dougwig API update? | 16:04 |
| mugsie | johnsom: sorry - here | 16:05 |
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| johnsom | #chair mugsie | 16:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: johnsom mugsie | 16:05 |
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| mugsie | #action dougwig to update on API during the week | 16:05 |
| johnsom | I had just started the meeting and was asking for updates | 16:05 |
| mugsie | cool | 16:06 |
| mugsie | I saw the scrollback | 16:06 |
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| johnsom | Ha, ok. I don't really have anything new to report | 16:06 |
| mugsie | i think we need to hound dougwig in #openstack-glsb during the week | 16:06 |
| mugsie | me neither - mid cycle was my focus last week | 16:06 |
| mugsie | has min had any time on the DB patch? | 16:07 |
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| mugsie | ah - minwang2 is here :) | 16:07 |
| minwang2 | yes | 16:07 |
| minwang2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272565/ | 16:08 |
| minwang2 | this is still the patch that mugsle updated | 16:08 |
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| mugsie | yes - it removed some of the old rebase leftovers | 16:08 |
| mugsie | but - that can be taken over, and used as a base | 16:09 |
| mugsie | ok - any other updates? | 16:10 |
| johnsom | No on my end | 16:10 |
| minwang2 | not for me | 16:11 |
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| mugsie | OK - we call it for this week then? | 16:11 |
| johnsom | Yep | 16:11 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 16:11:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-02-16-16.03.html | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 17:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
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| prashantD | hi | 17:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:01 |
| tbh | o/ | 17:01 |
| dkushwaha_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| sripriya | o/ | 17:01 |
| brucet | hello | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | hi everybody! | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | lets get started.. | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 17:01 | |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Feb_16.2C_2016 | 17:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
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| vishwanathj | o/ | 17:02 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: hi | 17:02 |
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| vishwanathj | Hi sridhar_ram, Hello All | 17:02 |
| sridhar_ram | Tacker big tent application is ongoing in gerritt - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276417 | 17:03 |
| sridhar_ram | lots of healthy discussions and debates... include a short NFV primer as well :) | 17:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | OpenStack Summit Talks Voting is in progress.. | 17:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers | 17:04 |
| sridhar_ram | Deadline to vote is tomorrow February 17 at 11:59pm PST / February 18 at 7:59am UTC). | 17:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Here are some talks related to Tacker, if you like these proposals please help to vote them in! | 17:05 |
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| vishwanathj | sridhar_ram thanks for sharing the link | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7476 | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7480 | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7001 | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7804 | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | the last one was cool, an Hands on Lab on Tacker :) | 17:05 |
| sripriya | great idea | 17:06 |
| sridhar_ram | If you have anything related to NFV orchestration please feel free to share here! | 17:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | We are in R-7 weeks in the release towards Mitaka .. #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 17:07 |
| sridhar_ram | and just 5 weeks away from code completion target... | 17:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | please work towards wrapping your specs / code reviews | 17:08 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else from anyone here to announce / heads up ? | 17:08 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 17:09 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Auto Resource Creation | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Auto Resource Creation (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 17:09 | |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250291/ | 17:10 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: give you provide some updates | 17:10 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, I have updated the patch to satisfy jenkins. And I am not sure, why do we need an extra table, to store image details alone | 17:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: just a suggestion .. but what I had in mind was, if tacker is uploading an image in glance it shd have a record of that | 17:12 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: imagine a Horizon UI in the future that will show all images "referenced" in VNFs | 17:13 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, agree, that's why we are storing the created_resources dict in "devicetemplates" table | 17:13 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: I was wondering if it would be cleaner to have it in a separate table.. | 17:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. and have devicetemplate refer to that entry | 17:15 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure, in that case .. | 17:17 |
| sridhar_ram | the reason for this suggestion is I'm thinking if nfv operator would need to get involved in image management business | 17:17 |
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| tbh | oh okay sridhar_ram | 17:18 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, I think we need to store only image details | 17:18 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: yes, just metadata... | 17:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: image itself will be glance | 17:19 |
| sridhar_ram | *in glance | 17:19 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes, I will update the spec then | 17:19 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: sounds good.. again, given the timeline, my intention is not to complicate the implementation.. | 17:19 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: do you think it will be reasonable to implement in this cycle ? | 17:20 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: tbh: i had a question on image download using url for multisite case | 17:21 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, what is the deadline for this cycle 5 weeks? | 17:21 |
| jokke_ | sorry to jump in without proper background information but is there some specific metadata you cannot store directly in glance ref that image? What I mean is that glance has pretty extensive details of the image so is there reason for you to store anything else than the image ID in your own database? | 17:21 |
| sripriya | will tacker download the images on remote sites during vnf creation, or will it be downloaded locally on tacker server and then upload to glance on the remote site? | 17:21 |
| tbh | sripriya, no we directly provide the url to glance .. | 17:22 |
| tbh | while creating the image | 17:22 |
| sripriya | tbh: ok. everythign is offloaded on the remote glance client | 17:22 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: as part of the big tent guideline, we are going to use "release-with-intermediary" tag.. will will force us to do a release by Apr 1st, hence code completion is two weeks before that.. mid-March | 17:23 |
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| sripriya | so each site will have different image ids for the same image url and if tacker is going to store the metadata info in a seperate table, we will need to maintain per vim id | 17:24 |
| sripriya | tbh: ^ | 17:24 |
| tbh | sripriya, but not yet tried | 17:24 |
| sridhar_ram | jokke_: it could be just image ID itself, that much beyond that at this point (AFAIK). Agree it would make sense to store if there are "other" metadata .. we could leverage glance's capabilities.. | 17:25 |
| sridhar_ram | s/that much beyond/not much beyond/ | 17:26 |
| tbh | sripriya, how can we get VIM id? | 17:26 |
| jokke_ | sridhar_ram: Just thinking as glance properties and tags are quite flexible, that would clean your database from tracking the metadata, just do query to glance with the image id to populate what you need from the image record | 17:26 |
| sripriya | tbh: vim-id will be provided during vnf-create time | 17:26 |
| sridhar_ram | jokke_: I was thinking about that ... | 17:27 |
| tbh | sripriya, we thought of having some unique name to image across VIMs | 17:27 |
| tbh | sripriya, so that we can enquire glance about that image existence | 17:27 |
| sridhar_ram | jokke_: ... sort of a reverse reference | 17:28 |
| jokke_ | sridhar_ram: indeed ... only problem at the moment is that because we do not have image export from glance moving the images between different clouds will need you to populate that metadata to each glance (Hopefully we get to that once the image import rework is done in Newton) | 17:29 |
| sridhar_ram | jokke_: the complexity would be code VNF::VDU id in the glance for a reverse look up.. | 17:29 |
| sripriya | tbh: yes, but you will still need to store the image name for each vim if not the image id int he table | 17:29 |
| sripriya | * in the | 17:30 |
| jokke_ | please, do not use image name | 17:30 |
| jokke_ | that is not unique value, so just reference always by id | 17:30 |
| jokke_ | makes your life so much easier in the future | 17:30 |
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| tbh | jokke_, sripriya okay, better we store the image ID per vim | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | make sense | 17:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: that's what I was asking you in the spec.. what is the "lifecycle" of this "created_resource" dictionary in VNFD | 17:32 |
| sridhar_ram | how does it expand and shrink as different VNFs gets created off it | 17:32 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, but it depends on VNFD | 17:32 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, if we create first VNF, we store image ids for that specific VNFD | 17:33 |
| sridhar_ram | again, lets not complicate too much / forwarrd design too much.. do something that is extendable in future | 17:33 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, and if we delete the VNFD, we can remove the entry of image IDs for that particular VIM | 17:34 |
| sridhar_ram | we need to make some assumption for this intiail foray into image handling ! | 17:34 |
| tbh | sure | 17:34 |
| sridhar_ram | okay.. just make sure it has vim-id taken care.. | 17:34 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes | 17:35 |
| sridhar_ram | roughty per VNF instantiation -->{ { vim-id, { vdu1: glance uuid1, vdu2: glance uuid2, .. } }, { vim-id2, ... } } | 17:36 |
| sridhar_ram | this dict will expand as VNFs gets created and | 17:36 |
| sridhar_ram | shrink as VNFs get deleted | 17:36 |
| tbh | VNFDs sridhar_ram | 17:36 |
| sridhar_ram | sounds about right? | 17:36 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: but with parameterization different image URLs could be passed ? | 17:37 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, ah I missed this point | 17:38 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, understood your point | 17:38 |
| sridhar_ram | sounds good... | 17:38 |
| sridhar_ram | lets continue further in the gerrit review.. | 17:39 |
| sridhar_ram | jokke_: thanks for the heads up..! | 17:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: thanks for the update.. | 17:39 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on to the next topic.. | 17:39 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic SFC updates | 17:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SFC updates (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 17:39 | |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: you there ? | 17:39 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: here | 17:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: hi! | 17:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | as you might have seen in the big-tent discussions... | 17:41 |
| s3wong | so the biggest change is that Tacker is not interested in hooking up directly with any "low level" networking driver, including SDN controllers | 17:41 |
| sridhar_ram | yep... we are reconsidering our attempts to introduce a ODL driver backend directly | 17:42 |
| sridhar_ram | however there is enough interest in using Tacker with ODL-SFC .. | 17:42 |
| sridhar_ram | .. so we should enable those folks.. who were the initial champions of SFC in Tacker | 17:42 |
| sridhar_ram | our original plan was something like this... | 17:43 |
| sridhar_ram | a) Tacker SFC plugin (Tim) | 17:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | b) Tacker SFC --> ODL/netvirtsfc driver backend (Tim) | 17:43 |
| sridhar_ram | c) Tacker SFC --> neutron-sfc driver backend (Stephen) | 17:44 |
| sridhar_ram | d) Neutron-sfc --> ODL/netvirtsfc driver backend (TBD) | 17:44 |
| sridhar_ram | Based on big tent discussion, we shd avoid doing (b) instead help to get (d) done | 17:44 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: sounds about right ? | 17:44 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: absolutely | 17:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: can you share your plans on (c) which we should accelerate to get it done by Mitaka | 17:45 |
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| s3wong | I can help bring folks onboard to networking-sfc also for whoever is interested to do ODL driver for networking-sfc | 17:46 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: it certainly depends on (a) | 17:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: trozet already has a WIP for (a), can we get started with that as the base for (c) ? | 17:47 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: for the driver itself, we need (a) getting the Neutron ports from VNF once it is deployed | 17:47 |
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| s3wong | and (b) mapping high-level service types to VNFs | 17:48 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: do you mind starting a spec for neutron-sfc driver backend, so that you can define your expectation of that interface ? | 17:48 |
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| s3wong | for phase 1, we can push back on the symmetrical stuff | 17:48 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: why ? I though the driver can create two neutron-sfc chains to handle symmetry ? | 17:49 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: sure --- sorry, was thinking of working on it over the long weekend, but day job also has demand over this long weekend | 17:49 |
| sridhar_ram | I know it will cut close.. please try your best! | 17:50 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: conceptually it is; there are things to worry about (as we talked about during the mid cycle) | 17:51 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: like reverse flow classifier | 17:51 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: okay, it sure is your call.. we can skip it for the initial release | 17:51 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: sure | 17:52 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll send an ML email to recap our decision so the we can communicate to TC and other interested parties.. | 17:52 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: anything else from your side ? | 17:52 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that's it. I think it is a good plan | 17:53 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: sounds good.. we need to move to implementation soon! | 17:53 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic VNF Scaling | 17:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VNF Scaling (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 17:53 | |
| sridhar_ram | of late we have been getting some steady request to introduce this feature soon in Tacker | 17:54 |
| brucet | How is scaling reflecting in Tosca NFV?? | 17:55 |
| brucet | reflected | 17:55 |
| sridhar_ram | we have been debating between introducing Manual Scaling vs simple Auto Scaling .. which do you think will make sense to introduce first ? | 17:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | brucet: TOSCA is introducing some constructs in Simple YAML profile for event-trigger-action sequence .. which will map nicely for VNF Scaling definitions | 17:56 |
| prashantD | sridhar_ram : we want something for Mitaka ? | 17:57 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: is this wrt scale out/scale in ? | 17:57 |
| sridhar_ram | prashantD: I'm assessing if something simple can be done for Mitaka | 17:57 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: yep | 17:57 |
| brucet | So can we map Simple YAML definitions to Heat autoscaling? | 17:58 |
| brucet | If so, then this should be easy. | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: yeah, that's my hope | 17:58 |
| brucet | You want me to look into this? | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: sure...! | 17:59 |
| brucet | OK | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | prashantD: meanwhile you where looking into manual scaling .. | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | please continue that research | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | we are out of time for today! | 17:59 |
| prashantD | sridhar_ram : yes, did you get a chance to look at the diffs I sent you? | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | prashantD: can you please post a WIP to gerrit ! | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 18:00 | |
| sridhar_ram | please remember to vote for the talks! | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 18:00:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-02-16-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-02-16-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-02-16-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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