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| gsagie | #startmeeting dragonflow | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 09:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gsagie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 09:00 |
| gsagie | Hello everyone, who is here for the meeting? | 09:00 |
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| dingboopt | o/ | 09:00 |
| gampel | Hi gsagie | 09:00 |
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| Shlomo_N | hi, I am here | 09:01 |
| oanson | Hi | 09:01 |
| gsagie | #info gampel, dingboopt, Shlomo_n, raofei, oanson, gsagie in meeting | 09:01 |
| Shlomo_N | Yuli will absent 2day | 09:01 |
| gsagie | okie | 09:02 |
| gsagie | gampel: Any chance to remind to DuanKebo? ;) | 09:02 |
| gampel | OK | 09:02 |
| raofei | Duankebo is offline | 09:02 |
| gsagie | #topic big-tent | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "big-tent (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:02 | |
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| gsagie | Just to update everyone, we have applied to become a formal project | 09:03 |
| Shlomo_N | congrats | 09:03 |
| gsagie | as part of the big-tent and not as part of the Neutron stadium, the patch can be reviewed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277153/ | 09:03 |
| gsagie | Shlomo_N: its just a request, not an approval yet | 09:03 |
| raofei | good! | 09:03 |
| gsagie | #topic security groups and port security | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "security groups and port security (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:04 | |
| DuanKebo | Congradulations! | 09:04 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: you have been working on that up until the security groups application, would you mind to update? | 09:04 |
| dingboopt | I have install flow related to sg using ryu lib | 09:04 |
| dingboopt | and everythin is ok | 09:05 |
| dingboopt | util now | 09:05 |
| gsagie | ok good, so we are missing only the application right now, right? | 09:05 |
| dingboopt | and I have already write some code | 09:05 |
| dingboopt | yes | 09:05 |
| dingboopt | I have already write some app code | 09:05 |
| gsagie | ok good, when you can please upload it to the repository, its important we do all testing with it | 09:05 |
| dingboopt | and some test | 09:05 |
| gsagie | good job! | 09:05 |
| dingboopt | this week | 09:05 |
| dingboopt | I will upload some code | 09:06 |
| gsagie | regarding port security, we need allowed address pairs right? | 09:06 |
| dingboopt | yes | 09:06 |
| gsagie | ok, and you also working on that application right? | 09:06 |
| gsagie | we have anything open there? | 09:06 |
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| dingboopt | currently I focus on security group | 09:06 |
| gsagie | gampel: we need to merge this spec : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263019/ | 09:06 |
| dingboopt | app | 09:06 |
| gsagie | for port security , i think we have an agreement there, but please review | 09:07 |
| gampel | Ok i will review it | 09:07 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: ok cool | 09:07 |
| gsagie | #action dingboopt upload security groups patch for review | 09:07 |
| dingboopt | ok, I will review this bp | 09:07 |
| dingboopt | ok | 09:07 |
| gsagie | #action gampel, dingboopt review port security patch | 09:07 |
| gsagie | anything else on this subject? | 09:08 |
| dingboopt | no | 09:08 |
| gsagie | Shlomo_N will need to start adding some specific scenarios to the scale testing | 09:08 |
| gsagie | so we can test security groups performance | 09:08 |
| gsagie | talked with him about some scenarios, we should add them to the specs as well and also add to openstack-performance | 09:08 |
| gsagie | #topic DB consistency | 09:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DB consistency (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:09 | |
| gsagie | nick-ma is not here, he is back tommorow | 09:09 |
| gampel | I suggest we talk about this in our channel with him | 09:09 |
| gsagie | we have some solution based on nick-ma ideas that we would like to go with | 09:09 |
| gsagie | and we will talk with him after the meeting and update the spec accordingly so everyone can review | 09:09 |
| gsagie | and comment | 09:09 |
| gsagie | #action gampel,gsagie,nick-ma update DB consistency spec | 09:10 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: we want you to also be part of this conversation obviously | 09:10 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: tommorow will be ok with you? | 09:11 |
| DuanKebo | OK no | 09:11 |
| DuanKebo | no problem | 09:11 |
| gampel | the idea is to have two phase commit and relay on df db swap and replace atomic operation | 09:11 |
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| gsagie | ok great, we also need you guys feedback of course as some ideas/comments are also based on hujie spec as well | 09:11 |
| gsagie | #topic publish-subscribe | 09:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "publish-subscribe (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:12 | |
| dingboopt | all key-value db support swap and replace atomic operation? | 09:12 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: we are going to have this as a requierment, but yes | 09:12 |
| dingboopt | got it | 09:12 |
| gsagie | gampel: would like to update regarding the publish subscribe? | 09:12 |
| gampel | yes the first patch should merge today please review | 09:13 |
| gampel | link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263322/ | 09:13 |
| gampel | this will take care the neutron server api publishers | 09:13 |
| gsagie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263322/ publish subscribe spec | 09:13 |
| gampel | the chassis's will be in this phase sent via the same publishers in the flowing patch | 09:14 |
| gampel | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280079/ | 09:14 |
| gsagie | ok, thanks for taking care of that long patch gampel, certainly a hard part of our solution | 09:14 |
| gampel | we will add this week a patch for the publisher discovery | 09:15 |
| gampel | currently it is configuration on the DF controller side (list of publishers) | 09:15 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: important you guys review and understand it, because i think you will need to do something very similar in Redis | 09:16 |
| gampel | reliability will come next , and it will relay on the DB consistency adding version per object | 09:16 |
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| gampel | Please all try to reveiw today so we could move it into control scale testing | 09:16 |
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| gsagie | okie, anyone has any questions or issues to raise regarding this? | 09:17 |
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| gsagie | #topic ovsdb monitor | 09:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ovsdb monitor (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:17 | |
| gsagie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274332/ | 09:17 |
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| raofei | ok, we ill review them. | 09:17 |
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| gsagie | wb DuanKebo | 09:18 |
| gsagie | regarding ovsdb monitor, i reviewed it, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274332/ | 09:18 |
| DuanKebo_ | Yes, just offlined. | 09:18 |
| gsagie | has few comments, but i think after the fix we can merge it | 09:18 |
| gsagie | and start sending code | 09:18 |
| gsagie | hujie here? | 09:18 |
| gsagie | #link ovsdb monitor https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274332/ | 09:18 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: just needs to make sure hujie fix the small comments on the patch and start sending code for this, i think we all agree what needs to be done there | 09:19 |
| DuanKebo_ | Yes | 09:20 |
| DuanKebo_ | He is coding now | 09:20 |
| gsagie | okie, thanks | 09:20 |
| DuanKebo_ | he also will update the spec | 09:20 |
| gsagie | #action hujie fix ovsdb monitor spec and upload code to repository | 09:20 |
| gsagie | #topic controller reliability | 09:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "controller reliability (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:20 | |
| gsagie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274334/ controller reliability | 09:21 |
| gsagie | heshan : would like to update? | 09:21 |
| gsagie | hshan | 09:21 |
| DuanKebo_ | one second | 09:21 |
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| gsagie | hi hshan :) | 09:21 |
| gsagie | we are talking about your controller reliability spec | 09:22 |
| hshan | hi gsagie:) | 09:22 |
| hshan | okay | 09:22 |
| gsagie | i like your idea to change the cookie field and use this, added some comments on the review for you to consider | 09:22 |
| gsagie | but i think that everything is solved right? as you will have a "sync finish" notification sent | 09:22 |
| gsagie | on all cases | 09:22 |
| gsagie | is there anything open you would like to discuss about? | 09:23 |
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| DuanKebo_ | he is typing | 09:24 |
| hshan | sync process should delete flows, so the sync process need to be a dragonflow app | 09:24 |
| gsagie | hshan: okie, so we need to define an "API" for this application that recieve a sync finished call | 09:25 |
| gsagie | and also adds to all applications something that tells them the cookie ide | 09:25 |
| gsagie | right? | 09:25 |
| hshan | yes | 09:25 |
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| gsagie | okie, you will also need to change some code for existing applications that use the cookie id already | 09:26 |
| gsagie | do you need any help ? | 09:26 |
| gampel | we can add it to the DF Ryu base class | 09:26 |
| hshan | agree with you | 09:26 |
| gsagie | gampel: good idea, but he will still need to change some applications that already use the cookie id for something else | 09:27 |
| hshan | I've make some modification locally | 09:27 |
| gsagie | (i think DHCP uses it as well) | 09:27 |
| gampel | no it does not | 09:27 |
| gsagie | gampel: you dont use it for packet ins to controller? | 09:27 |
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| gampel | I use the metadata but i will look into it and and comment in the spec | 09:28 |
| gsagie | okie | 09:28 |
| gsagie | hshan: please let us know if you need any help as your patch might get complicated, maybe not | 09:28 |
| gsagie | but please update us if you see any problem as we need to fix it fast :) | 09:28 |
| gsagie | #topic selective proactive | 09:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "selective proactive (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:28 | |
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| hshan | okay | 09:28 |
| gampel | hshan: try to spit it into smaller patches | 09:29 |
| gsagie | #link selective proactive https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275199/ | 09:29 |
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| hshan | okay, i will | 09:29 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: welcome back :) how is selective proactive going on? | 09:29 |
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| DuanKebo | I start writing code now. | 09:29 |
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| DuanKebo | I need to add a topology module. | 09:30 |
| gsagie | ok great, please fix few small comments on spec so we can merge it, but i think its in good shape | 09:30 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: maybe we should talk about this, why do you need another module? | 09:30 |
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| DuanKebo | Yes, I have saught your comments | 09:30 |
| DuanKebo | fix them today. | 09:30 |
| gsagie | ok, thanks | 09:30 |
| gsagie | i think we need to see if we really need another module or we can manage it simpler in the controller (with the ovsdb monitor part) | 09:31 |
| DuanKebo | If we put this function in controller | 09:32 |
| DuanKebo | I worry about that the controller become too big | 09:32 |
| DuanKebo | and complex. | 09:32 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: ok agree, when you have just the structure maybe it will be good to upload patch for review | 09:33 |
| gsagie | so we can understand your plans | 09:33 |
| DuanKebo | OK | 09:33 |
| DuanKebo | another problem | 09:33 |
| gsagie | ? | 09:33 |
| DuanKebo | I need to receive sorthbound message | 09:33 |
| DuanKebo | such as port online event. | 09:34 |
| DuanKebo | Currently, controller can't receive them. | 09:34 |
| gsagie | yes, we need to add this | 09:34 |
| DuanKebo | Only app can | 09:34 |
| gsagie | so the controller can recieve port notifications from the ovsdb monitor | 09:34 |
| gampel | this again can be added to the base df Ryu class | 09:34 |
| gsagie | i can add this connection | 09:35 |
| gsagie | gampel: its not something we want in the application | 09:35 |
| gsagie | i think | 09:35 |
| DuanKebo | Yes, another way is we register the module to dispacher | 09:35 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: i think this should be send to the same queue the controller is listening for DB updates and sent to your module | 09:35 |
| gsagie | since this is a DB update from the switch.. | 09:36 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: yeah, good idea we can use the dispatcher | 09:36 |
| gsagie | for this | 09:36 |
| gampel | I am not sure, you do not think the application should be notified ? | 09:36 |
| DuanKebo | Your idea also can achieve the target. | 09:37 |
| gsagie | gampel: we are talking about the part that recognize a port, fetch all tenant information (register notification) and then call the apps | 09:37 |
| DuanKebo | Hi gampel, could you give more details? | 09:37 |
| gsagie | in the end, the apps will be notified | 09:38 |
| gsagie | and of course they will still need to get the port up/ down, which we now bring from OpenFlow | 09:38 |
| gsagie | what i talked with DuanKebo and the team is that we dont really need the openflow part when we have OVSDB monitor | 09:38 |
| gampel | I see so i agree that the best way will be via the queue and add a action | 09:38 |
| gsagie | its little more efficient | 09:38 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: once you upload the code and the OVSDB monitor we can see whats the best way to connect them, i will work on this with you | 09:39 |
| gsagie | its a problem i am sure we can solve :) | 09:39 |
| DuanKebo | Yes. | 09:40 |
| gsagie | #action DuanKebo,gsagie work on how the ovsdb monitor communicate with topology module and send events | 09:40 |
| gsagie | #topic distributed DNAT | 09:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "distributed DNAT (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:40 | |
| gsagie | raofei: saw your patch good work! | 09:40 |
| gsagie | #link distributed dnat https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279434/ | 09:40 |
| gsagie | gampel left some comments, please see if you can address them and we can merge this | 09:41 |
| gsagie | anything open? | 09:41 |
| gampel | raofei: you have to merge your testing with the new destructor patch | 09:41 |
| raofei | due to the merge conflict, it will be done today | 09:41 |
| raofei | yes, I have merge the latest code from master | 09:41 |
| gsagie | #action raofei address comments on patch and continue for dnat application | 09:42 |
| gsagie | ok thanks raofei, good work | 09:42 |
| raofei | the changed code will be committed today. | 09:42 |
| gsagie | #topic redis db | 09:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "redis db (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:42 | |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: anything needed on this topic? | 09:42 |
| DuanKebo | It is ok | 09:43 |
| DuanKebo | or sorry | 09:43 |
| DuanKebo | one second | 09:43 |
| gampel | DuanKebo: are you planning to add a new redis pubsub driver or just use the internal redis DB notification | 09:43 |
| DuanKebo | on open issues to discuss. | 09:43 |
| DuanKebo | We will use the sub/pub arch | 09:44 |
| DuanKebo | and add a redis sub/pub driver for it | 09:44 |
| gampel | DuanKebo: let me know if you need my help | 09:44 |
| gsagie | okie great | 09:44 |
| gsagie | #topic testing | 09:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testing (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:44 | |
| gsagie | Shlomo_N is working on scale testing here, we will publish results as soon as we have something for current code, but of course we want all the features in before we do the serious testing | 09:45 |
| gsagie | Yuli is working on the API/DB control plane performance part | 09:45 |
| gsagie | Shlomo_N: anything to add? | 09:45 |
| Shlomo_N | I have done the performance testing for L3-centralized agent. | 09:46 |
| Shlomo_N | Now I am working on data plane performance testing of DVR. | 09:46 |
| Shlomo_N | I am doing these tests for reference to DragonFlow performance | 09:46 |
| gsagie | oanson has added an infrastructure so we can simulate and perform pipeline testing using tap devices that simulate neutron ports and define policies on the expected behaivour | 09:46 |
| gsagie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275714/ testing infrastructure | 09:47 |
| gsagie | oanson is here if you have any question how to use it, he is adding documentation | 09:47 |
| gsagie | oanson: right? | 09:47 |
| oanson | Documentation has already been added | 09:47 |
| oanson | Now waiting for additional comments and review | 09:47 |
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| gampel | is there any one else working on scale testing control/data ? | 09:47 |
| gsagie | ok cool, so please everyone working on new patches/features, see how you can build tests with this | 09:47 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: also wanted to mention thank you for the good work you guys are doing, i think we have agreement on most specs and we can continue with uploading code to all the features | 09:48 |
| gsagie | so thanks! | 09:48 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo, dingboopt, raofei: anyone doing scale testing? | 09:49 |
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| DuanKebo | Thank you for your help! | 09:49 |
| gsagie | I think Kun mentioned we suppose to get the hardware in hangzhou after the holiday | 09:49 |
| gsagie | #topic open discussion | 09:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:50 | |
| gsagie | Anything else by anyone? | 09:50 |
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| gsagie | :( | 09:50 |
| gampel | omer: do you want to present your mcast spec | 09:51 |
| gsagie | dingboopt, raofei: good work you two :) i think we have good progress on your work | 09:51 |
| oanson | ok | 09:51 |
| oanson | I have uploaded a spec to add and IGMP and multicast application. | 09:51 |
| oanson | The spec is available for review here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278400/ | 09:52 |
| gsagie | #link IGMP support in Dragonflow spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278400/ | 09:52 |
| oanson | It is planned to make the virtual routers multicast-enabled routers, and support *smart* multicast routing | 09:52 |
| dingboopt | the servers have not arrived | 09:52 |
| oanson | This means that multicast packets will be sent only to group members, and only to compute nodes containing group members. | 09:52 |
| oanson | I am adding now a few finishing touches gsagie asked, hopefully to be finished today. | 09:53 |
| gsagie | ok, good work oanson | 09:53 |
| gsagie | certainly an interesting feature for Dragonflow | 09:53 |
| gsagie | more interesting if we can combine it with the physical infrastructure | 09:53 |
| gampel | dingboopt: :'( we relay need to start scale testing on large infrastructure as soon as possible | 09:54 |
| gsagie | okie thanks everyone | 09:54 |
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| gsagie | and please stop by in #openstack-dragonflow if anything is needed | 09:54 |
| gsagie | anything else gampel? | 09:54 |
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| gampel | nop thank you every one | 09:55 |
| gsagie | thanks and see you all next week! | 09:55 |
| gsagie | #endmeeting | 09:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 09:55:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-02-15-09.00.html | 09:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-02-15-09.00.txt | 09:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-02-15-09.00.log.html | 09:56 |
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| salvorlando | Aloha? | 15:00 |
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| apuimedo | #startmeeting kuryr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 15:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 15:00 |
| gsagie_ | Hello all | 15:01 |
| apuimedo | Hello and welcome to yet another kuryr weekly meeting | 15:01 |
| apuimedo | who's here for the show? | 15:01 |
| salvorlando | Me | 15:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | o/ | 15:02 |
| salvorlando | But I am here to watch the show! | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | salvorlando: I have a couple of questions to ask you :P | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | so don't sit too far back | 15:02 |
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| apuimedo | #info gsagie_ salvorlando fawadkhaliq and apuimedo are here for the meeting | 15:03 |
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| apuimedo | thanks for joining | 15:03 |
| apuimedo | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 15:03 | |
| apuimedo | After the recent discussion in the neutron community about what should and should not be in the Neutron big stadium, we will be submitting the request for Kuryr to be a project on the big tent | 15:04 |
| apuimedo | proposing Gal Sagie as PTL | 15:04 |
| fawadkhaliq | excellent! | 15:05 |
| apuimedo | and we'll request a design room for the Austin summit | 15:05 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 15:05 |
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| gsagie_ | yeah, i think that the last day of the last summit was probably the most effective one when we managed to all sit together | 15:05 |
| salvorlando | You will probably have more luck winning the euromillioms | 15:05 |
| gsagie_ | so hopefully we will have more time this summit | 15:05 |
| gsagie_ | salvorlando: why? what is the criteria to have a room? | 15:06 |
| fawadkhaliq | salvorlando: rofl | 15:06 |
| apuimedo | salvorlando: we have a a failsafe plan! | 15:06 |
| apuimedo | KFC design room | 15:06 |
| apuimedo | :D | 15:06 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: KFC design room ftw! | 15:06 |
| apuimedo | #link: https://vimeopro.com/midokura/734915331 | 15:06 |
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| apuimedo | I made a webinar last week | 15:06 |
| apuimedo | it shows the communication with lbaas and container <-> VMs | 15:07 |
| gsagie_ | cool | 15:07 |
| apuimedo | salvorlando: I need more information on surrendering the email domain to the foundation, do you have some contact I could use for that? | 15:08 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: very cool, thanks for sharing | 15:08 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo: which domain? kuryr.org? | 15:08 |
| gsagie_ | :( | 15:08 |
| apuimedo | yes, salvorlando suggested that I should give control of it to the foundation | 15:09 |
| apuimedo | I created it to have cool links for the demos | 15:09 |
| apuimedo | like http://webinar.kuryr.org:8000/ | 15:09 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 15:09 |
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| apuimedo | which has two containers running behind a load balancer | 15:10 |
| salvorlando | I was joking btw | 15:10 |
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| apuimedo | oh, I thought it was a requirement salvorlando | 15:10 |
| apuimedo | you totally got me! | 15:10 |
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| apuimedo | ok, just so you all know, if any of you want to use the domain for demos, just shoot me an email | 15:11 |
| apuimedo | and I'll add the necessary dns entries | 15:11 |
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| apuimedo | #topic deployment | 15:11 |
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| apuimedo | #info apuimedo setn https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279320/ | 15:12 |
| apuimedo | darned typo... | 15:12 |
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| apuimedo | anyway | 15:12 |
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| apuimedo | salvorlando: fawadkhaliq: gsagie_: I'd like to hear more about how you bind | 15:13 |
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| apuimedo | to make sure that I'm not overlooking anything for the container | 15:13 |
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| apuimedo | to make the common base container as complete as possible | 15:13 |
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| apuimedo | I'll probably be submitting an ovs one soon | 15:14 |
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| gsagie_ | apuimedo: what do you mean an ovs one? you have one container per backend? | 15:14 |
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| gsagie_ | or better one Dockerfile | 15:15 |
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| apuimedo | there should be kuryr/libnetwork:midonet kuryr/libnetwork:ovs kuryr/libnetwork:ovn | 15:15 |
| apuimedo | or dragonflow/kuryr:1.0.0 | 15:16 |
| apuimedo | but what I meant is that yes, vendors should have their own dockerfile | 15:16 |
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| apuimedo | that does a "from kuryr/libnetwork:1.0.0" | 15:16 |
| apuimedo | and adds a layer with their binding dependencies | 15:16 |
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| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: for PLUMgrid/iovisor, it will follow similar mechanism as you have in there. I will review and comment. | 15:16 |
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| apuimedo | gsagie_: in your case, df-db would be added | 15:17 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: very well | 15:17 |
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| apuimedo | the design suggestion, of course, is that the neutron agent is on a separate container | 15:17 |
| apuimedo | where possible | 15:17 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo: sounds good, the only thing i am wondering is how for example if we take ovn/dragonflow the code inside the container will perform the binding to OVS | 15:17 |
| gsagie_ | in the compute node | 15:17 |
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| apuimedo | gsagie_: we run the kuryr container on the host networking namespace | 15:18 |
| apuimedo | so ovs-vsctl works fine | 15:18 |
| apuimedo | ;-) | 15:18 |
| apuimedo | this I already tested | 15:18 |
| gsagie_ | okie cool | 15:18 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: will that split containerization work for you guys? | 15:18 |
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| apuimedo | salvorlando: I'll be checking kolla this coming weekend | 15:19 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: I will have to check that. Let me report back. | 15:19 |
| salvorlando | Apuimedo your approach to containers make sebse | 15:19 |
| apuimedo | gotta talk with SamYaple | 15:19 |
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| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: very well | 15:20 |
| salvorlando | Let me know if I can help with kolla | 15:20 |
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| apuimedo | salvorlando: alright, so for that, since kolla only has ovs, I'll get ready the ovs version of the container | 15:20 |
| apuimedo | salvorlando: or do you have ovn kolla support? | 15:20 |
| gsagie_ | i think that reaching ovn support from ova should be fairly easy | 15:21 |
| gsagie_ | ovs | 15:21 |
| apuimedo | gsagie_: well, not so much, you'd need kolla to deploy all the components that ovn uses | 15:22 |
| apuimedo | probably | 15:22 |
| apuimedo | the extra agents and stuff | 15:22 |
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| apuimedo | anyway, let's try to get ovs+kolla in the coming two weeks | 15:22 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 15:22 |
| gsagie_ | okie | 15:22 |
| apuimedo | #action salvorlando apuimedo to try ovs + kolla | 15:23 |
| salvorlando | Thanks apuimedo :-) | 15:23 |
| apuimedo | (+kuryr, ofc) | 15:23 |
| apuimedo | #topic nested | 15:24 |
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| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: the floor is yours | 15:24 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: thanks | 15:24 |
| fawadkhaliq | I addressed most of the early comments. | 15:24 |
| fawadkhaliq | magnum folks have provided some feedback | 15:24 |
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| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: in the review? | 15:25 |
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| fawadkhaliq | I would like to discuss one point here that taku and I discussed last week as well, needed broader audience | 15:25 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: correct. | 15:25 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: raise it, raise it ;-) | 15:25 |
| fawadkhaliq | the ask is to support networking via Kuryr when native container tools are used instead of magnum API. For example Docker, Kub CLI etc. | 15:26 |
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| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: oh, you mean that you deploy a bay | 15:26 |
| fawadkhaliq | While is possible and I have a way to make it work, it would take us back to the path of making Kuryr agent communicate via management plane to other endpoints :( | 15:26 |
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| fawadkhaliq | so heres what I am thinking.. | 15:26 |
| apuimedo | and you want to get the containers networked whether the user goes through magnum api or swarm/k8s, right? | 15:27 |
| mspreitz | some of us plan to use Neutron and Docker without Magnum | 15:27 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: correct | 15:27 |
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| apuimedo | mspreitz: welcome ;-) | 15:27 |
| gsagie_ | fawad: but i thought the plan was to integrate with the COE's themselves and not with Magnum | 15:27 |
| fawadkhaliq | mspreitz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269039/ please review :-) | 15:27 |
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| gsagie_ | What information do you need from Magnum? | 15:28 |
| fawadkhaliq | gsagie_: COE via magnum currently :) | 15:28 |
| apuimedo | gsagie_: well, my idea was, and fawadkhaliq I'll appreciate that you tel lme if I'm talking nonsense, that we have: | 15:28 |
| fawadkhaliq | gsagie_: two paths. 1. if we bypass Magnum, then Kuryr agent communicates with other OpenStack endpoints. 2. If we go via Magnum API, we may be able to avoid it. | 15:29 |
| apuimedo | 1. Magnum deploy the bay controller nodes with information as to where to reach Neutron and that such communication is allowed | 15:29 |
| fawadkhaliq | so if we are okay with this communication, then we can update and make it happen. | 15:30 |
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| apuimedo | 2. We have an integration with bay types that speaks with neutron and does the ipam and port management | 15:30 |
| apuimedo | 3. the worker nodes just get minimal information like what is the vlan to connect to | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | I am trying to connect containers to Neutron networks without any VMs in sight. Is anybody else here interested in that? | 15:31 |
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| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: the idea is similar, except that more information is passed via Magnum | 15:31 |
| gsagie_ | mspreitz: this is not the use case we talking now | 15:31 |
| fawadkhaliq | however.. | 15:31 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: I see your point and I see this communication seems reasonable to us.. | 15:31 |
| gsagie_ | fawadkhaliq, apuimedo: ok that make sense, but now why would anyone want to run this without Magnum? and if they do why is this different then a regular "bare metal" integration with Docker/Kubernetes? | 15:31 |
| fawadkhaliq | given that, let's update | 15:32 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: yes, that comes just after this topic ;-) | 15:32 |
| apuimedo | we went with nested first today | 15:32 |
| apuimedo | gsagie_: it's not to run it without magnum | 15:32 |
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| apuimedo | it's to let the magnum user consume the k8s/swarm api instead of the magnum one for service creation | 15:32 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: +1, Magnum does one step and then rest can be done via native tools. | 15:33 |
| apuimedo | did I get it right fawadkhaliq ? | 15:33 |
| gsagie_ | okie got it now | 15:33 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: correct. essentially a hybrid workflow still gets consumer the network. | 15:33 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 15:33 |
| fawadkhaliq | so I wanted to make sure you guys are onboard, before I propose the change. | 15:34 |
| fawadkhaliq | Looks we are all on the same page with this | 15:34 |
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| fawadkhaliq | so I will go ahead | 15:34 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: can you summarize the change in one sentence? | 15:34 |
| apuimedo | (I'll put it in info comment) | 15:34 |
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| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: goal is to facilitate networking even when native tools are used. | 15:35 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: that would require Kuryr agent to have communication with other OpenStack endpoints. | 15:35 |
| apuimedo | #info nested goal: to provide networking whether magnum users consume magnum or bay specific apis | 15:35 |
| gsagie_ | fawadkhaliq: i personally think, without giving it enough thought that this is the correct path either way | 15:35 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: +1 | 15:35 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: I think the communication can be very minimal and we should keep it like that | 15:36 |
| apuimedo | for swarm it may be more complicated, but for k8s probably only the controller nodes will need it | 15:36 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: gsagie_, I am concerned about the security aspects on this communication. But thats something we can improve and can evolve. | 15:36 |
| gsagie_ | yep, the end points should only do the binding similar to our Kubernetes integration plan | 15:37 |
| apuimedo | fawadkhaliq: exactly | 15:37 |
| fawadkhaliq | thats all on nested. | 15:37 |
| fawadkhaliq | very useful discussion :-) | 15:37 |
| apuimedo | #info: agreement to limit access to the management as much as possible | 15:37 |
| apuimedo | #topic k8s integration | 15:38 |
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| apuimedo | mspreitz: here we go ;-) | 15:38 |
| apuimedo | thanks fawadkhaliq | 15:38 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: welcome | 15:38 |
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| apuimedo | alright then | 15:39 |
| apuimedo | We do not have Irena here | 15:39 |
| gsagie_ | or banix ? | 15:39 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: did you move forward with the plan to make cni call libnetwork? | 15:39 |
| banix | gsagie_: hi | 15:39 |
| mspreitz | I have a draft on which I am working | 15:40 |
| gsagie_ | ohh hi :) | 15:40 |
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| mspreitz | Hope to get it running today | 15:40 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: :O | 15:40 |
| banix | have been sick all week. getting back to things.... | 15:40 |
| fawadkhaliq | banix: sorry to hear. hope you feel well. | 15:40 |
| apuimedo | are you having a network configured in CNI vendor on each worker machine | 15:40 |
| gsagie_ | banix: happy to hear you recovering | 15:41 |
| apuimedo | and then having the cni driver call docker libnetwork attaching? | 15:41 |
| apuimedo | banix: take care ;-) | 15:41 |
| mspreitz | It will be more interesting to me once Kuryr can connect to existing networks instead of make new ones. | 15:41 |
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| mspreitz | My CNI plugin calls `docker network` | 15:42 |
| gsagie_ | mspreitz: yes thats deafeningly something we had in mind to do | 15:42 |
| mspreitz | The `docker network create` needs to be done just once, thanks to Kuryr. | 15:42 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: good point | 15:42 |
| banix | apuimedo: gsagie_ fawadkhaliq thansk (and sorry for the interruption) | 15:43 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: couldn't you create the networks as part of the deployment? | 15:43 |
| apuimedo | you add a worker node, you do a docker network create | 15:43 |
| mspreitz | apuimedo: I am not sure I understand the question. | 15:43 |
| mspreitz | which networks, which deployment? | 15:43 |
| mspreitz | Networks are not per worker node | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: which network topology are you using | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | ? | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | network per service? | 15:44 |
| mspreitz | I am taking baby steps | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | and what are the reasons you need to connect to pre-existing networks | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | ? | 15:44 |
| mspreitz | the one I want to take first is to connect containers to a provider network | 15:45 |
| mspreitz | But I can't yet, Kuryr won't connect to that. | 15:45 |
| apuimedo | aha | 15:45 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 15:45 |
| apuimedo | thanks mspreitz | 15:45 |
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| mspreitz | My next step would be to have a tenant network per K8s namespace, probably | 15:45 |
| mspreitz | That is not the way k8s wants to go | 15:45 |
| mspreitz | it's just a possible next baby step. | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: is it okay for your draft to hack it? | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | the first step | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | what I mean is | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | do `docker network create myprovidernet` | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | you'll get a uuid | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | you delete the network that is created in neutron with that uuid | 15:47 |
| apuimedo | and update the provider network name to have that uuid | 15:47 |
| apuimedo | It would be very useful to know if that would work | 15:47 |
| mspreitz | Oh, rename the pre-existing provider nework. Hadn't thought of that | 15:47 |
| mspreitz | I can give it a try. | 15:47 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: I have a hunch that it should work | 15:47 |
| apuimedo | if it does | 15:47 |
| apuimedo | probably connecting to existing networks will be a bit easier in "hacky mode" | 15:48 |
| mspreitz | I suppose you folks can tell me: will future libnetwork calls to Kuryr, to attach containers, find the Neutron network by nUetron network name or by UUID? | 15:48 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo: maybe you can add an action for me to add this support | 15:48 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: yes, you'll pass --neutron-net a450ae64-6464-44ee-ab20-a5e710026c47 | 15:49 |
| gsagie_ | i don't think it should be too hard to add, i will write a spec | 15:49 |
| apuimedo | well, more as a tag | 15:49 |
| mspreitz | does `--neutron-net` take a name or a UUID? | 15:49 |
| gsagie_ | mspreitz: we can support both | 15:49 |
| apuimedo | gsagie_: it can be a workaround while we can't put darned tags on resources | 15:49 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: uuid | 15:50 |
| gsagie_ | mspreitz: we meant to use the tags in Neutron once this feature is completed | 15:50 |
| banix | gsagie_: i have the code that does that | 15:50 |
| banix | there is one issue that we need to deal with | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | banix: you mean the name change? | 15:50 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo: we can just do according to the name right now | 15:50 |
| gsagie_ | i think thats what banix has | 15:50 |
| banix | i meant using existing networks | 15:50 |
| gsagie_ | use existing network by Neutron name | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | gsagie_: you should not do it by name if you are then changing the current name :P | 15:51 |
| banix | the issue is right now we rely on neutron network name | 15:51 |
| mspreitz | If work has to be done, I'd rather see banix go for the jugular | 15:51 |
| apuimedo | exactly | 15:51 |
| banix | and for an existing neutron network for the rest of our code to work, we have to set its name to what we want; not desrirable but it works | 15:51 |
| apuimedo | banix: yes, that's what I proposed mspreitz | 15:51 |
| gsagie_ | banix: or keep the mapping internally | 15:51 |
| gsagie_ | or in a DB | 15:52 |
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| banix | i think once we have the tagging, things will look much cleaner | 15:52 |
| apuimedo | gsagie_: I'd rather knock my teeth out than adding a DB to Kuryr :P | 15:52 |
| gsagie_ | heh ok | 15:52 |
| apuimedo | Kuryr is parasitic by nature | 15:52 |
| banix | gsagie_: yesh, have been trying to see how use the docker kv but doesnt look promising | 15:52 |
| apuimedo | it should use the DBs of what it connects to | 15:52 |
| apuimedo | banix: the inflight restriction is a bit damning there | 15:53 |
| banix | do you guys agree neutron tagging will solve this problem? | 15:53 |
| apuimedo | banix: wholeheartedly | 15:53 |
| mspreitz | What is "the inflight restriction" ? | 15:53 |
| banix | the blueprint there seems almost approved; has one +2 last i checked | 15:53 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: in docker libnetwork you can't access a kv resource in the same operation that is creating it | 15:54 |
| gsagie_ | yes | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | so, for example, let's say that we are creating a network to connect to a Neutron net | 15:54 |
| mspreitz | I understand | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | kuryr receives the call to the network creation | 15:54 |
| mspreitz | yes, that's a pain | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | but it can't go to the kv to modify it to add data | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: indeed | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | when I feel hacky, I'd add deferred actions xD | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | that are executed just after we return | 15:55 |
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| mspreitz | that's a real pain for any higher level automation | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | but then I think, well, tags should be coming soon to neutron | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: and raceful | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | and you'd lose it if the kuryr daemon restarts | 15:55 |
| mspreitz | like you said, "hacky" | 15:56 |
| apuimedo | anyway, mspreitz let us know if the hacky way works | 15:56 |
| apuimedo | the one of renaming | 15:56 |
| apuimedo | #topic general | 15:56 |
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| mspreitz | hmm, I thought I was just told it will not | 15:56 |
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| apuimedo | mspreitz: banix said that changing the name in neutron will work | 15:56 |
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| mspreitz | `docker network attach` will cause Kuryr to find a Neutron network by its Neutron UUID, right? | 15:56 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: by docker network id | 15:57 |
| apuimedo | (which maps to the neutron name) | 15:57 |
| mspreitz | So it will look up the network in Neutron by Neutron network name? | 15:57 |
| apuimedo | (while we don't have neutron resource tags) | 15:57 |
| banix | mspreitz: what apuimedo said | 15:58 |
| apuimedo | mspreitz: docker network attach dockernetname | 15:58 |
| mspreitz | Then I'll give it a try | 15:58 |
| apuimedo | dockernetname -> dockernetid -> (to be found on neutron net name) | 15:58 |
| apuimedo | anybody has anything more for the alst two minutes? | 15:58 |
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| banix | looking at the log of this meeting i see Kola being mentioned; hui kang has worked on this | 15:58 |
| banix | unfortunately he had to leave for a family emergency last week; i will check with him and see where he is | 15:59 |
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| banix | See what you did. Toni got upset! | 15:59 |
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| banix | any co chairs to close the call? | 16:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | anyone else going to end the meeting :-) | 16:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 16:02:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-02-15-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-02-15-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-02-15-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| salvorlando | Adieuuu | 16:02 |
| fawadkhaliq | Done | 16:02 |
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| apuimedo | gsagie_: did somebody end the kurr meeting? My computer lost power | 16:05 |
| apuimedo | *kuryr | 16:05 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: i did ;-) | 16:05 |
| apuimedo | thanks fawadkhaliq ! | 16:05 |
| fawadkhaliq | apuimedo: npp | 16:05 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting stable | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 21:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 21:00 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: howdy | 21:00 |
| * mriedem waits for the masses | 21:00 | |
| * tonyb is always here ;P | 21:00 | |
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| mriedem | i know HPE has today off for a holiday so some people will be gone | 21:01 |
| mriedem | there isn't a ton to go over | 21:01 |
| mriedem | anyway, let's just start and people can roll in, or not | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StableTeam#Agenda | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #topic status | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | #link stable tracker https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | for the periodic stable jobs, i've mostly noticed the trove failures | 21:02 |
| mrunge | o/ sorry for being late | 21:02 |
| mriedem | which for kilo there is the change here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276934/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | mrunge: o/ | 21:03 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah and that's blocked by somethign else but I don't recall what. | 21:03 |
| mriedem | ^ looks like it just needs some project-config love | 21:03 |
| mriedem | tonyb: you said in there trove services weren't running so no tests ran and it puked | 21:03 |
| tonyb | .... Oh yeah the gate config on kilo is wonky they asked for help figuring out why | 21:03 |
| mriedem | sounds like the sahara thing with devstack plugins | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i put a comment in there | 21:03 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah It just hasn't bubbled up yet | 21:03 |
| mriedem | there was a new thing on my radar today | 21:04 |
| mriedem | stable/liberty https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.service/+bug/1529594 | 21:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1529594 in oslo.service "[stable/liberty] gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-oslo.service fails with "ContextualVersionConflict: (oslo.service 0.9.1.dev6 (/opt/stack/new/oslo.service), Requirement.parse('oslo.service>=0.12.0'), set(['oslo.messaging']))"" [High,Confirmed] | 21:04 |
| mriedem | oslo.service on stable/liberty is running one of those -src- jobs, | 21:04 |
| mriedem | that blows up with a version conflict with oslo.messaging due to upper-constraints | 21:05 |
| tonyb | We need to think hard about the value of the -src- jobs in stable | 21:05 |
| mriedem | for now i've just proposed that we exclude the job from stable/liberty for oslo.service since it's fundamentally broken https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280328/ | 21:05 |
| mriedem | tonyb: yeah, at least stable/liberty | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i put alternatives in that change | 21:05 |
| mriedem | neither are great | 21:06 |
| tonyb | mriedem: That's the second time we've seen liberty, -src- jobs and constrainst just fail to get along. | 21:06 |
| mriedem | what i'd like to do is just cap oslo.messaging in stable/liberty<2.6.0 | 21:06 |
| mriedem | but i feel like people will freak out if i propose that | 21:06 |
| tonyb | I *think* we could modify the job to edit-constrainst but that might not work | 21:06 |
| * tonyb will read the commit message | 21:07 | |
| mriedem | well, even if that does work, does it reflect reality? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | we can do all sorts of things to make tests pass | 21:07 |
| mriedem | but the fact is oslo.service<0.12.0 won't work with oslo.messaging 3.0.0, which is what's in u-c on stable/liberty | 21:07 |
| mriedem | anyway, let's move on | 21:08 |
| mriedem | i think we're just going to keep whacking these moles | 21:08 |
| tonyb | Yeah probably | 21:08 |
| mriedem | the other kilo thing was your fixtures bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-fixtures/+bug/1542984 | 21:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542984 in Python Fixtures "fixtures 1.2.0 isn't compatible with testtools 2.0.0" [Undecided,New] | 21:08 |
| mriedem | tonyb: did you want to threaten lifeless on that again or should i this time? :) | 21:09 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah I'll try to get his attention today. | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | ok, cool, thanks | 21:09 |
| mriedem | #action tonyb to talk to lifeless about fixtures bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-fixtures/+bug/1542984 | 21:09 |
| tonyb | if I don't get traction I'll lean on you | 21:09 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:09 |
| mriedem | #topic previous agenda items | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous agenda items (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:09 | |
| mriedem | #undo | 21:10 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9775610> | 21:10 |
| mriedem | #topic previous action items | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous action items (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:10 | |
| mriedem | mrunge to follow up on server projects (e.g. horizon) being released to pypi from stable branches | 21:10 |
| mriedem | i can't remember what there was to follow up on there | 21:10 |
| mrunge | uhm, there was a mail from dhellmann on openstack-dev | 21:10 |
| mrunge | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086183.html | 21:10 |
| mrunge | it was about the announcement of server packages to pypi | 21:10 |
| mriedem | oh, so that was just a bug and doug fixed it | 21:11 |
| mrunge | exactly | 21:11 |
| mriedem | ok, cool | 21:11 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:11 |
| mriedem | mriedem to nudge mistral stable CPL to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273223/ | 21:11 |
| mriedem | that's done, there was another change that needed reverting | 21:11 |
| mriedem | now i'm +1 on the mistral 1.0.1 release request | 21:11 |
| mriedem | mriedem to follow up with mestery and/or ihar on releasing from stable more often if they are going to backport a lot of changes frequently | 21:11 |
| mriedem | also done http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086158.html | 21:12 |
| mriedem | mestery is going to do more frequent stable neutron release requests | 21:12 |
| mriedem | mriedem to update the stable policy with what it means to be actively maintaining stable branches for a project | 21:12 |
| mriedem | i have that patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280372/ | 21:12 |
| mriedem | so reviews appreciated | 21:12 |
| mriedem | ^ is actually part of a series that cleans up some of the stable branch docs | 21:12 |
| * dims_ peeks | 21:13 | |
| tonyb | mriedem: I'll look at them today | 21:13 |
| mriedem | thanks | 21:13 |
| mrunge | in the past, we had issues with string changes in backports | 21:13 |
| mriedem | it's pretty simple | 21:13 |
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| mrunge | i.e. string change == not allowed for backports | 21:14 |
| mriedem | mrunge: is that just horizon? | 21:14 |
| mriedem | b/c now the translation stuff happens on stable branches also | 21:14 |
| mrunge | hmm, yes and no | 21:14 |
| mriedem | at least for stable/liberty | 21:14 |
| mrunge | exactly. it's not that simple any more | 21:14 |
| tonyb | Yeah if you change a transtalted string you loose all the translations :( | 21:14 |
| mrunge | client packages and even server packages now have translations | 21:14 |
| mriedem | does horizon key off the translations or something? i think doug-fish has tried explaining it to me once. | 21:15 |
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| tonyb | but at least on liberty they can be re-translated | 21:15 |
| mriedem | tonyb: yeah | 21:15 |
| mrunge | I wonder if we should have something about translations in the guide | 21:15 |
| mrunge | as this is somehow unknown | 21:15 |
| mriedem | mrunge: if you think something is missing feel free to push up a change to add it in the review guidelines | 21:15 |
| tonyb | +1 | 21:16 |
| mrunge | ack | 21:16 |
| mriedem | i know sometimes new translatable strings are backported, but that's less of an issue in my mind | 21:16 |
| mriedem | usually new exceptions or something | 21:16 |
| mrunge | I have an issue with "sometimes" | 21:16 |
| mrunge | i.e that's not a clear rule | 21:16 |
| tonyb | We shoudl probably ask Daisy | 21:16 |
| mriedem | so you don't ever want them? | 21:16 |
| mrunge | twofold: yes for as many as possible | 21:17 |
| mriedem | it's definitely a different animal for horizon | 21:17 |
| mriedem | if your page is all chinese and then you have some english show up | 21:17 |
| mrunge | and no: as it makes backporting complicated: you can not guarantee a to have a translation backport | 21:17 |
| mriedem | in the server projects it might be a logging statement or something that doesn't get back to the end user | 21:17 |
| mrunge | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/locale | 21:18 |
| mrunge | that's translations for neutron | 21:18 |
| mrunge | just to illustrate, it's not only horizon | 21:18 |
| mriedem | yeah i know | 21:18 |
| mrunge | ok. | 21:18 |
| mriedem | but my point is, if nova backports a new i18n string that is like a warning log in the service logs, i don't have a problem with that | 21:19 |
| mriedem | it's a bigger issue for horizon | 21:19 |
| mrunge | ah, ok. that's different | 21:19 |
| mrunge | I get you | 21:19 |
| mriedem | new rest api response exception messages, that's something we'd have to think about | 21:19 |
| mrunge | let's iterate over patches | 21:19 |
| mriedem | sure | 21:19 |
| mriedem | ok, last action item from last week | 21:20 |
| mriedem | ttx to propose corresponding governance review | 21:20 |
| mriedem | that's here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277918/ | 21:20 |
| tonyb | brb | 21:20 |
| mriedem | there is already a fun issue bubbling up in that one, which is, if a project has stable branches that wouldn't pass the policy (backported features or something), but then wants to get the follows-policy tag, when do they get the tag? say stable/kilo is bad and stable/liberty+ is good | 21:21 |
| mriedem | do they not get the tag until stable/kilo is gone? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | since tags don't have any metadata on them, like a since:liberty meta | 21:21 |
| mrunge | heh | 21:21 |
| mriedem | anyway, flaper87 raised that point, so we're discussing in the change | 21:21 |
| mriedem | in practice i don't think it's probably going to be a huge issue once the tag is rolled out | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i have a feeling that projects which have messy stable branches are going to take awhile to get used to following policy anyway | 21:22 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:22 | |
| mriedem | this is just a reminder to stable CPLs to think about stable/liberty release requests around the time of m-3 | 21:22 |
| mriedem | per dhellmann's email http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086362.html | 21:22 |
| mriedem | #info consider stable/liberty point releases around m-3 per http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086362.html | 21:23 |
| mriedem | no stuck reviews so i'm skipping that | 21:23 |
| mriedem | i don't think we have any updates on tooling, so skipping that | 21:23 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | does anyone have anything? | 21:24 |
| mrunge | nope | 21:24 |
| mriedem | and with tony gone, i think that's all | 21:24 |
| tonyb | mriedem: just a general observation that not all the stable CPL's hang out in -stable | 21:24 |
| mriedem | tonyb: yeah, or by default PTLs | 21:24 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah. I don't know if it's a problem | 21:25 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to send a reminder to -dev ML for stable CPLs/PTLs to hang out in #openstack-stable | 21:25 |
| mriedem | how's that | 21:25 |
| tonyb | then other day I just jumped onto the appropriate project channel and asked for reviews | 21:25 |
| tonyb | that worked | 21:25 |
| tonyb | :) | 21:25 |
| mriedem | yeah that's usually what i do | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | i think it is an indicator of involvement though | 21:25 |
| mrunge | sounds like a sane thing to do | 21:25 |
| mrunge | yes | 21:26 |
| mriedem | maybe we should add that to my docs patch on what being active means | 21:26 |
| mriedem | i'll do that | 21:26 |
| mriedem | ok, anything else? | 21:26 |
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| tonyb | I know that becuase of timezones it's not complete coverage but as you say it's a good indication of investment | 21:26 |
| tonyb | mriedem: not from me | 21:26 |
| mriedem | ok, will end it. thanks tonyb/mrunge | 21:27 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 21:27:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-02-15-21.00.html | 21:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-02-15-21.00.txt | 21:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-02-15-21.00.log.html | 21:27 |
| mrunge | thank you! | 21:27 |
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