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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 14:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| acabot | hello | 14:00 |
| sballe | o/ | 14:01 |
| seanmurphy | hi | 14:01 |
| brunograz | hi | 14:01 |
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| tkaczynski | hi | 14:01 |
| vtech | o/ | 14:01 |
| jed56 | \o | 14:01 |
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| dtardivel | o/ | 14:01 |
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| acabot | #info agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#02.2F17.2F2016 | 14:01 |
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| jwcroppe | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:02 |
| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
| acabot | a couple of annoucements regarding discussions on the mailing list | 14:02 |
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| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:02 |
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| acabot | #info No Open Core #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085855.html | 14:02 |
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| acabot | the important thing in this thread is : "It should have a fully-functional, production-grade open source implementation. If you need proprietary software or a commercial entity to fully use the functionality of a project or getting serious about it, then it should not be accepted in OpenStack as an official project." | 14:04 |
| jwcroppe | interesting | 14:04 |
| sballe | Agreed | 14:04 |
| jwcroppe | I think that's in line w/ what we discussed | 14:04 |
| acabot | its important to deliver Watcher as a "full" project | 14:04 |
| edleafe | acabot: and what is the concern with Watcher | 14:04 |
| edleafe | ? | 14:04 |
| acabot | jwcroppe I agree | 14:04 |
| gzhai3 | what we miss so far? | 14:05 |
| sballe | I don't believe we have any concern | 14:05 |
| acabot | its more an info that we should keep that in mind | 14:05 |
| acabot | but we are fully compliant right now | 14:05 |
| edleafe | The concern in that thread was Poppy, which tries to generalize an API for CDNs | 14:05 |
| edleafe | There are no free/open CDNs out there | 14:05 |
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| sballe | Oh that makes sense | 14:06 |
| edleafe | So the only way to actually use Poppy (and test it) would be to pay for a closed CDN provider | 14:06 |
| tkaczynski | same applies to scoring module - it will not depend on TAP or any other external software | 14:06 |
| sballe | Agreed | 14:07 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: I agree with this overall - I think we just need to continue to be mindful of this as we make assertions about what Watcher 'requires' to be used | 14:07 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : +1 | 14:07 |
| acabot | #info roadmap for Nova scheduler #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086371.html | 14:08 |
| acabot | its a very long thread but interesting to see how the nova scheduler will evolve during mitaka and newton | 14:08 |
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| acabot | and how we can take advantage of these evolutions in Watcher | 14:08 |
| edleafe | jwcroppe: yes. The other concern with Poppy is that it relies on Cassandra, which only works with the Oracle JDK. | 14:08 |
| sballe | I will read it as soon as I get off my phone ;-) | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | jwcroppe: so requiring the use of a closed product is another bad thing to do | 14:09 |
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| acabot | #info our talks are open to vote until tomorrow, so if you didnt took the time to give a +3, please do it | 14:10 |
| sballe | Oh I see even though it is open source | 14:10 |
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| acabot | any other announcement ? | 14:10 |
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| seanmurphy | link to talk to vote for please? (if someone has it handy) | 14:11 |
| jwcroppe | edleafe: agree | 14:11 |
| sballe | I am working on getting us to intel for the next mid cycle | 14:11 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : is tpeoples off this week ? | 14:11 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7108#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7113 | 14:11 |
| edleafe | sballe: yes, but if they could convince the Cassandra people to support OpenJDK, then it would be fine | 14:11 |
| sballe | edleafe: makes sense | 14:12 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:12 |
| acabot | we have a lot of specs open | 14:13 |
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| jwcroppe | acabot: on my list to do today | 14:13 |
| sballe | Same here | 14:14 |
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| acabot | #action sballe jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273556/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276586/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274688/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266446/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278516/​​ | 14:15 |
| tkaczynski | my action items are still waiting - struggling to setup devstack env. I'm putting all my time there... | 14:15 |
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| acabot | tkaczynski : ok could you please use the openstack-watcher irc channel for support ? | 14:15 |
| tkaczynski | acabot ok | 14:16 |
| dtardivel | or openstack-dev irc channel | 14:16 |
| acabot | as it is logged, its better if we need to give the same explanations later | 14:16 |
| acabot | we also need specs for high priority BPs | 14:16 |
| acabot | #action tkaczynski submit a drafted spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/scoring-module | 14:17 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: tpeoples had an action to submit a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-model-objects-wrapper, any update on this ? | 14:17 |
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| jwcroppe | He is out today - I'll check with him tomorrow (and let's make an action for him) | 14:18 |
| acabot | #action tpeoples submit a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-model-objects-wrapper | 14:18 |
| acabot | #action acabot submit a drafted spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/select-destinations-filter | 14:19 |
| acabot | we received an email from alexstav regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-overload-underload | 14:19 |
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| acabot | he will submit a spec for this BP as we had to explain the contribution process | 14:20 |
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| acabot | #action alexstav submit a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-overload-underload | 14:20 |
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| acabot | on Watcher side | 14:21 |
| acabot | #info Delete related actions when deleting an action plan has been merged | 14:21 |
| acabot | there are bug fixes in review | 14:22 |
| acabot | gzhai3 : could you do some code reviewing this week ? | 14:22 |
| gzhai3 | sure | 14:22 |
| dtardivel | acabot: watcher-dashboard initial pachset will be merged today | 14:22 |
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| acabot | dtardivel : ok tpeoples had an action to review it | 14:23 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : can we merge the initial commit today ? | 14:23 |
| jwcroppe | I think so | 14:24 |
| dtardivel | watcher-dashboard plugin will be now automatically deployed within horizon, in devstack. | 14:24 |
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| acabot | #action dtardivel merge watcher-dashboard initial commit today | 14:24 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:25 |
| dtardivel | new watcher-dashboard HTML documentation will be also set online soon | 14:26 |
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| acabot | #info regarding the SSL support we discussed last week, there are 3 open bugs (2 on devstack, 1 on watcher) | 14:27 |
| acabot | vtech: did you already start implementing ZHAW strategy ? | 14:28 |
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| dtardivel | yes, by reading these bugs, you will be able to apply workaround on your devstack env, waiting for official fixes | 14:28 |
| seanmurphy | we did not start the watcher implementation yet | 14:28 |
| seanmurphy | we had a variant designed for openstack before | 14:28 |
| seanmurphy | we have looked a little at the watcher supports and the example strategy | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | but we have not specifically started the implementation yet | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | it is going up the prio list | 14:29 |
| acabot | seanmurphy : ok thx | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | we should have something for next week | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | i will discuss the process with you/jed outside this chat | 14:29 |
| acabot | seanmurphy : I think we will be able to merge the spec before end of week so you can start implementing | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | ok | 14:30 |
| acabot | thx | 14:30 |
| gzhai3 | pwd | 14:30 |
| jed56 | cool | 14:30 |
| acabot | edleafe : any update from the nova team regarding the BP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276840/ | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | no, not anything yet | 14:31 |
| acabot | ok | 14:31 |
| dtardivel | seanmurphy: can you have discussion on openstack-watcher IRC channel please. It will benefits everyone | 14:31 |
| seanmurphy | for sure | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | acabot: it probably won't see much action until Newton | 14:32 |
| acabot | edleafe : yes I suppose | 14:32 |
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| acabot | a quick look at bugs targeted for Mitaka https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 14:33 |
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| jwcroppe | edleafe: it'd be interesting to get bauza's take on | 14:34 |
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| acabot | many of them are unassigned but I correctly understand the release schedule, we can fix them after mitaka-3 milestone | 14:34 |
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| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:35 |
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| acabot | I had an action after the mid-cycle to share the actions on the mailing list but I didn't find any other project doing it... | 14:36 |
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| acabot | do you think we should do it anyway ? | 14:36 |
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| jwcroppe | acabot: hmm, maybe not 'actions' explicitly - but a quick summary of discussions ? | 14:37 |
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| sballe | jwcroppe: +1 | 14:37 |
| jwcroppe | ...even a quick pointer to our etherpad | 14:37 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : other projects share the etherpad | 14:37 |
| acabot | ok so a link to the etherpad and a quick review of decisions made ? | 14:38 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:38 |
| gzhai3 | +1 | 14:38 |
| edleafe | jwcroppe: sorry, on a team call now | 14:39 |
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| acabot | #action acabot share a link to the etherpad and a quick review of decisions made on the ML | 14:39 |
| seanmurphy | i would like to have some idea how it went/discussions/conclusions etc | 14:39 |
| edleafe | jwcroppe: but since he was in on the original discussion with alaski, I think it won't be too contentious | 14:39 |
| acabot | seanmurphy : did you look at the etherpad already ? | 14:39 |
| seanmurphy | no - i was not aware it existed tbh | 14:40 |
| acabot | #info mid-cycle etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-watcher-midcycle | 14:40 |
| seanmurphy | thanks | 14:42 |
| acabot | we had a discussion this morning with jed56, dtardivel, vmahe & vincentfrancoise about updating the class hierarchy in Watcher strategies to deal with input parameters (threshold) and output parameters (efficacy indicator) | 14:42 |
| acabot | it will impact 2 open BPs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/efficacy-indicator & https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/optimization-threshold | 14:43 |
| gzhai3 | how to refactoring? | 14:43 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: what about scoring module? will it impact it as well? | 14:43 |
| acabot | vmahe is working on an updated class diagram that will be part of the efficacy indicator spec | 14:43 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : not at all | 14:43 |
| acabot | the idea is to create a new class between "base strategy" and "strategy" to hold a goal and a list of efficacy indicators | 14:45 |
| acabot | it will be a lot clearer with a schema ;-) | 14:45 |
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| vmahe | there should be a base class for all strategies that achieve the same goal | 14:45 |
| vmahe | those strategies would also share the same efficacy indicators | 14:46 |
| vmahe | so that we can compare them | 14:46 |
| acabot | the hierarchy would be baseStrategy->energyStrategy->dummy | 14:46 |
| jed56 | I think is more easy to discuss that around a specification :) | 14:46 |
| vmahe | +1 | 14:46 |
| gzhai3 | +1 | 14:47 |
| jed56 | I think acabot just want to let you know that the possible impacts :) | 14:47 |
| vincentfrancoise | +1 | 14:47 |
| acabot | jed56 : +1 right my point is to say that the BP regarding the threshold will be impacted | 14:47 |
| acabot | so gzhai3 please review the efficacy indicator spec as soon as vmahe has submitted the schema | 14:48 |
| vmahe | I will also write a new bp saying that the goal will be returned by each strategy or each common parent strategy | 14:48 |
| gzhai3 | acabot: ok | 14:48 |
| acabot | so we will have 3 BPs correlated | 14:49 |
| acabot | but il will be much easier and cleaner to hold input/output parameters of strategies | 14:50 |
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| acabot | sballe : any update on the cross projects meeting ? | 14:51 |
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| dtardivel | sballe: ^ | 14:52 |
| sballe | No they mostly discussed how to do user policies across the projects | 14:52 |
| acabot | ok | 14:52 |
| acabot | meeting with congress ? | 14:52 |
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| sballe | The idea is to not have user be admin to be able to do more advanced things | 14:53 |
| sballe | No progress on congress yet | 14:53 |
| sballe | Will follow with them this week | 14:53 |
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| sballe | I need to figure out who to talk to | 14:54 |
| acabot | ok | 14:54 |
| acabot | any other subject ? | 14:54 |
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| sballe | Not from me | 14:56 |
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| acabot | sballe: did you get an update for the lab submission through INTEL ? | 14:56 |
| sballe | So it turns out it is for the intel booth | 14:57 |
| jwcroppe | nothing else from me | 14:57 |
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| sballe | I submitted it again | 14:57 |
| acabot | :-) ok | 14:57 |
| sballe | But this time only a demo | 14:58 |
| sballe | No lab | 14:58 |
| sballe | acabot: ^^ | 14:58 |
| acabot | #info vmahe submitted a new BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/get-goal-from-strategy | 14:58 |
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| acabot | ok thank you | 14:59 |
| acabot | have a good day (night for gzhai3 ;-)) | 14:59 |
| jed56 | bye have nice (day,afternoon, .. ) | 14:59 |
| sballe | Bye | 14:59 |
| tkaczynski | by | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:59 |
| seanmurphy | bye guys | 14:59 |
| tkaczynski | bye ;) | 14:59 |
| dtardivel | bye | 14:59 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 14:59:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-02-17-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-02-17-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-02-17-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| sballe | gzhai3: ready for our meeting? | 15:00 |
| gzhai3 | sballe:yes:) | 15:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 16:30:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| nihilifer | o/ | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:30 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:30 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 16:30 |
| sdake | in before stan [o] / | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 16:30 |
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| elemoine_ | o/ | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | pbourke: ping | 16:31 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:31 |
| pbourke | SamYaple: thanks :) | 16:31 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:31 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:32 |
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| sdake | hello meeting bot? | 16:32 |
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| ajafo | o/ | 16:32 |
| inc0 | he didn't even acknowledge topic rollcall | 16:32 |
| vhosakot | o/ | 16:32 |
| sdake | your right | 16:33 |
| sdake | welll, not sure what to do about that atm, i'll just proceed :) | 16:33 |
| nihilifer | freenode has some maintenance reboots, so | 16:33 |
| sdake | 1. midcycle was really productive, I'd recommend people hae a look at the midcycle meeting notes if you weren't able to make it | 16:33 |
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| sdake | #link etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-mitaka-midcycle | 16:34 |
| sdake | 2. meeting change about to enter the irc meetings repo - hopefully today | 16:34 |
| sdake | what that means is we will have a meeting at 23:30 and 16:30 UTC alternating | 16:35 |
| sdake | this was by vote | 16:35 |
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| sdake | I believe 23:30 was the highest vote, I need to double check - I had a patch in progress prior to midcycle but its not handy atm :) | 16:35 |
| sdake | 3. speaking with the foundation, we will get plenty of sessions (more then before) | 16:36 |
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| sdake | we dont want to waste slots, but if there is stuff we need to discuss, we can do that | 16:36 |
| sdake | #topic liberty-3 milestone | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | mitaka? | 16:37 |
| sdake | ya mitaka ;) | 16:37 |
| sdake | busy busy morning sorry guys | 16:37 |
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| sdake | so there were some risks identified at the midcycle related to kolla development | 16:37 |
| sdake | you can see those here: | 16:37 |
| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-mitaka-midcycle-roadmap | 16:38 |
| sdake | line 12 | 16:38 |
| sdake | if your looking for work to do, I highly recommend working on those items | 16:38 |
| sdake | can folks open that up real quick | 16:39 |
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| sdake | i want to touch on each one and get a status of where things stand on those items | 16:39 |
| vhosakot | looking at it | 16:39 |
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| sdake | diagnostics | 16:39 |
| elemoine_ | interested to know more about that | 16:40 |
| sdake | elemoine_ - akwasnie is not present | 16:40 |
| elemoine_ | this is on akwasnie? | 16:40 |
| sdake | just to be clear, these are things we identified as critical for mitaka | 16:40 |
| elemoine_ | I can definitely talk to her about that | 16:40 |
| sdake | elemoine_ whoever is working on diags which atm is you and elemoine_ | 16:40 |
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| sdake | i dont know if its at risk or not | 16:41 |
| sdake | we had a session scheduled | 16:41 |
| sdake | but the timezones and both of your availability didn't match up | 16:41 |
| dave-mccowan | sdake i don't see 2-VIP support or TLS support for external network. are they planned for m-3? | 16:41 |
| elemoine_ | does "diagnostics" include "logging"? | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | dave-mccowan: yes | 16:41 |
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| SamYaple | dave-mccowan: i said I would handle them, but you are welcome to | 16:42 |
| sdake | dave-mccowan i wanted to ad them to the tracking at risk but sam said they are not at risk :) | 16:42 |
| SamYaple | its a few minutes worth of work | 16:42 |
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| sdake | dave-mccowan mind taking that off SamYaple's plate entirely? He is super overloaded | 16:42 |
| sdake | seems like he is good with the idea :) | 16:42 |
| SamYaple | ill make sure to submit a patch if its not there by Mar 1st | 16:43 |
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| sdake | so i would like to go in order tho :) | 16:43 |
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| sdake | elemoine_ can you give us a snapshot of the status of diagnositcs and if anything is at risk or if this item should just be dropped from the at risk list | 16:43 |
| dave-mccowan | SamYaple i'm happy to help. let's chat some when you have time. i'll need some pointers. | 16:43 |
| SamYaple | dave-mccowan: sure thing | 16:44 |
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| sdake | nice | 16:44 |
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| sdake | ok elemoine_ may be having lag problems i'll move on and come back | 16:44 |
| sdake | reconfigure | 16:44 |
| elemoine_ | sdake: my patch set is very close to be ready | 16:44 |
| sdake | does it integrate with awkasnie's patch set? | 16:45 |
| elemoine_ | no | 16:45 |
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| elemoine_ | I'd like them to be merged separately | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | i would agree with that too | 16:45 |
| elemoine_ | as my patch set is already quite big | 16:45 |
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| sdake | after they are both merged, there is integration work to be done? | 16:46 |
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| elemoine_ | sdake: yes, but that should be pretty straightforward | 16:46 |
| elemoine_ | and awkasnie and I agreed to collaborate on that | 16:46 |
| elemoine_ | we discussed it during midcycle | 16:46 |
| sdake | ok | 16:47 |
| sdake | where was I? :) | 16:47 |
| elemoine_ | during YOURÂ midcycle | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | they were in the channel | 16:47 |
| sdake | oh | 16:47 |
| sdake | i didn't have irc open my bad | 16:47 |
| elemoine_ | I just want to add one commit to the patchset: removal of Rsyslog | 16:47 |
| sdake | busy taking notes :( | 16:47 |
| sdake | cool | 16:48 |
| elemoine_ | and I want to postpone logrotate, Elasticsearch integration, and doc changes (minor) until after the merge of the current patches | 16:48 |
| sdake | so you want to go first on the patch merge you mean | 16:49 |
| elemoine_ | yes, merge what IÂ have today (+ Ryslog removal), after final reviews obviously | 16:49 |
| SamYaple | yea Heka first, then logrotate, then kibana/elastic search | 16:49 |
| SamYaple | agreed | 16:49 |
| elemoine_ | exactly how I see things | 16:49 |
| sdake | ok lets get that in the etherpad | 16:49 |
| sdake | if that makes the most sense | 16:50 |
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| sdake | typically we give priority to first to write a patchset | 16:50 |
| sdake | but if that makes more sense technically then lets do that | 16:50 |
| sdake | line 15 please | 16:50 |
| sdake | add what you think should be done | 16:50 |
| sdake | and i'll run it by ak* when she is about | 16:50 |
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| elemoine_ | I will | 16:50 |
| sdake | inc0 infrastructure service upgrades | 16:51 |
| elemoine_ | tomorrow I'll test Swift | 16:51 |
| elemoine_ | this is the last thing I need to do/test | 16:51 |
| sdake | inc0 iirc you were going to do a haproxy upgrade | 16:51 |
| inc0 | I'll push haproxy upgrade today | 16:51 |
| inc0 | yeah | 16:51 |
| inc0 | as soon as I rebase+test nova | 16:51 |
| sdake | inc0 can you add that to the etherpad please | 16:51 |
| sdake | line 19 | 16:52 |
| sdake | I think after this meeting i'll create a new at risk etherpad - if I do tha tI'll link from this etherpad | 16:52 |
| sdake | any objections? | 16:52 |
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| sdake | so we can keep the roadmap and mitaka items separate | 16:52 |
| elemoine_ | no problem from me | 16:53 |
| sdake | elemoine_ please put your data in the etherpad during this meeting or shortly thereafter thanks :) | 16:53 |
| sdake | inc0 we have a slew of other services for infrasturcture | 16:54 |
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| sdake | so we need to find folks to work on those | 16:54 |
| inc0 | yeah, we had separate session for that | 16:54 |
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| sdake | right | 16:54 |
| elemoine_ | will do after the meeting | 16:54 |
| sdake | i'll send an announcement to hte ml looking for contributors | 16:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | FYI, i assigned the bp upgrade haproxy to me. Feel free to change it inc0 | 16:54 |
| sdake | migration path for data volumes is at risk | 16:54 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, if you want to do it, it should be as simple as redeploy of containers | 16:54 |
| sdake | because nobody is working on it | 16:55 |
| vhosakot | sdake: I'm trying to become a contributor.. what other areas in the kolla infra need work ? | 16:55 |
| sdake | samyaple re functional tests, is line 24 accurate? | 16:55 |
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| inc0 | vhosakot, let's talk after meeting ok? | 16:56 |
| sdake | vhosakot i'll send a note to the ml for upgrades, which are 9.2 on our priority list ;) | 16:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, I have not started it. | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | sdake: line 24 is haproxy | 16:56 |
| inc0 | ok, I'll do it then | 16:56 |
| sdake | samyaple popele are inserting :) | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | oh | 16:56 |
| vhosakot | inc0, sdake : cool! | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | you mean the functional test vm boot/ping? | 16:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks. | 16:56 |
| sdake | SamYaple the part vm booting | 16:56 |
| sdake | yes | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | vms are booting with my patch | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | no ping yet | 16:56 |
| sdake | cool so no longer at risk | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | but it validates the instance is ACTIVE | 16:56 |
| sdake | oh ping remians | 16:56 |
| sdake | well tbh I think that is a really rockin solid start | 16:57 |
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| sdake | #topic openstack service upgrades | 16:57 |
| sdake | I think the meeting bot died, don't see in channel | 16:58 |
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| elemoine_ | sdake: I'm done editing the etherpad, I will run this by awkasnie | 16:58 |
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| sdake | elemoine_ for the moment i am going to leave the atrisk items whre thy are | 16:58 |
| sdake | so people ren't confused by a new etherpad | 16:58 |
| sdake | after mitaka-3 i will cut them into a new etherpad so the roadmap doc is tidy | 16:59 |
| sdake | because mitaka-3 is a roadmap item ;) | 16:59 |
| sdake | ok upgrades | 16:59 |
| sdake | at the midcycle we had a super productive session on openstack service upgrades | 16:59 |
| sdake | I htink we have patches for every service in the queue but heat | 16:59 |
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| sdake | heat is on me | 17:00 |
| sdake | literally and figuratively ;) | 17:00 |
| sdake | does anyone have questions or concerns about openstack service upgrades? | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | ive still got neutron | 17:00 |
| sdake | thanks SamYaple i'm confident you can knock that out | 17:00 |
| sdake | if that changes let me know :) | 17:01 |
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| inc0 | less question more request, we need good multinode testing of this stuff, so if anyone have access, can you plz run plays? | 17:01 |
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| sdake | inc0 my gear is impaired atleast until mitaka-3 | 17:01 |
| sdake | I *might* be able to get access to a lab to test with | 17:01 |
| sdake | my suggestion is test single node, and merge if it works | 17:01 |
| sdake | sort out multinode in the rcs | 17:02 |
| inc0 | wfm | 17:02 |
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| sdake | i dont want to block on hardware availaility | 17:02 |
| SamYaple | sdake: on that note | 17:02 |
| SamYaple | please let me have a moment to the end of the meeting | 17:02 |
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| sdake | sure SamYaple | 17:02 |
| SamYaple | toward* | 17:02 |
| sdake | actually its open agenda, since nobody added agenda items :) | 17:03 |
| sdake | so SamYaple if you want, you have the floor | 17:03 |
| sdake | topic? | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | multinode | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | and testing | 17:03 |
| sdake | #topic multinode testing | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | so the main issue ive heard from alot of people is the inability to test multinode | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | just lack of hardware to do so on | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | Ive recently moved so I was down for a bit, but I have a decent amount of hardware in an openstack cluster running here at the house | 17:04 |
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| SamYaple | there was talk of thirdparty ci during the midcycle | 17:04 |
| inc0 | (I've seen it, it is a decent amount) | 17:04 |
| inc0 | wanna run 3rd party CI in your room Sam?;) | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | my first though was to use the equipment as sort of a third party ci, but i think it may be better suited if i gave access to some of those heavier contributors to run multinode vm for kolla testing and development | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | what does everyone think would benefit the community more? | 17:05 |
| sdake | SamYaple the second | 17:05 |
| sdake | third party ci should be company sponsored imo - although if someone sets up third party ci to comment on patches its not like wed stop them even if they were running AIO third party cis :) | 17:06 |
| inc0 | I'd say first | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | thats what I was leaning towrad too, but im not sure if everyone has access to multinode and just arent using it | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | the second option that is | 17:06 |
| sdake | anyone can get vms at rax or the like but its pretty expensive | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | right | 17:06 |
| inc0 | non-heavy developer can break multinode just as much | 17:06 |
| nihilifer | when i talked about 3rd party ci, i meant the one runned by mirantis | 17:06 |
| sdake | how many vms can your environment support sam? | 17:06 |
| pbourke | personally I have access to multinode, but it doesn't mean I have time to multinode every PS I review | 17:07 |
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| nihilifer | but i'm not sure whether you're talking about my idea of this ci ;) | 17:07 |
| pbourke | but that's a different topic | 17:07 |
| SamYaple | my hardware can do ~90 8GB vms | 17:07 |
| sdake | actually a really solid idea SamYaple | 17:07 |
| * nihilifer has the same situation as pbourke | 17:08 | |
| SamYaple | im not hearing a concensus though. it soundsl ike everyone has multinode and doesnt use it | 17:08 |
| pbourke | I wouldnt say everyone | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | most heavy contributors | 17:08 |
| sdake | can we get a poll | 17:08 |
| sdake | who doesn't have access to multinode, please speak up | 17:08 |
| Jeffrey4l | ( I am, only a laptop :( ) | 17:09 |
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| nihilifer | well, i have one multinode env, but used only for mesos - that's why it's hard to me to test quickly kolla-ansible stuff | 17:09 |
| nihilifer | that's what i meant | 17:09 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l GFC may be difficult for you | 17:09 |
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| SamYaple | Jeffrey4l: my stuff is hosted in US, is that an issue? | 17:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | SamYaple, absolutely no. | 17:10 |
| jpeeler | yeah i generally don't do multinode | 17:10 |
| sdake | so atm my gear is afu and I don't have multinode but I think I can get that rectified | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | so we have Jeffrey4l for multinode access rather than CI (right?) | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | jpeeler: but do you have access? | 17:10 |
| jpeeler | SamYaple: not really | 17:11 |
| sdake | ya redhat has an internal development openstack environment SamYaple | 17:11 |
| jpeeler | it's not very stable last i checked | 17:11 |
| jpeeler | so i don't use that | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | so really what this comes down to is do I volunteer my equipment to people or Jenkins. | 17:11 |
| pbourke | you could do both? | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | not really | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | jenkins will tear it up | 17:12 |
| pbourke | ok | 17:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | I only a simple ( three vms running my laptop) env now. can not launch one more vms. | 17:12 |
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| Jeffrey4l | only have | 17:12 |
| pbourke | SamYaple: I think you said rhallisey and inc0 were candidates | 17:12 |
| pbourke | so with Jeffrey4l that's 3 | 17:12 |
| pbourke | there's probably more | 17:12 |
| inc0 | I can spawn more vms | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | nah inc0 is covered now he said | 17:13 |
| pbourke | but what I was getting at is path of least resistence means people generally dev AIO unless they really have to | 17:13 |
| sdake | SamYaple if you can get it setup and want to maintain openstack hosting for kolla devs, its up to you :) | 17:13 |
| sdake | sounds painful personally | 17:13 |
| inc0 | I'll have much better gear soon so I'm covered | 17:13 |
| pbourke | so Im not sure it will magically get people doing more multinode testing | 17:13 |
| sdake | pbourke agreed | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | i qualified this with heavt contributors for a reason | 17:13 |
| pbourke | without some sort of coercion :) | 17:13 |
| inc0 | that's why I'd rather go for 3rd party CI | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | yea :/ | 17:14 |
| inc0 | so we can at least catch stuff that breaks multinode | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | really we should all be testing multinode primarily | 17:14 |
| pbourke | we can figure out ways to promote that | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | i thought it was resource contention | 17:14 |
| sdake | so my take on this is we really wan tto try using the openstack infrasturcture for multinode rather then rolling our own third party ci | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | it sounds like its laziness/time constraints | 17:14 |
| pbourke | Im not sure I see the benfit of 3rd party CI | 17:14 |
| inc0 | I'd say it's rather efficiency thing | 17:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | CI is necessary. | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | im really effiecnt on multinode ic | 17:14 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l nobody denies that | 17:14 |
| inc0 | pbourke, you'll see "failed" gate job on CI | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | inc0: | 17:14 |
| inc0 | that's alerting | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | its no slower for me to test multinode than aio | 17:15 |
| pbourke | inc0: I dont think its a good idea for it to do something infra cant | 17:15 |
| pbourke | inc0: so with that said its just another env | 17:15 |
| sdake | pbourke totally agree | 17:15 |
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| inc0 | pbourke, infra is heavily limited | 17:15 |
| inc0 | we can barely run aio on infra | 17:15 |
| pbourke | we should fix that then | 17:15 |
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| pbourke | im not disagreeing but... | 17:15 |
| sdake | infra has repeadily said they will fix whatever we can't get to work | 17:15 |
| inc0 | I don't think we can currewntly | 17:15 |
| pbourke | we cant gate on sams house | 17:15 |
| sdake | but we haven't really tried multinode | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | fyi with my gate patches we have ~3gb of ram before VM launch | 17:16 |
| inc0 | sdake, we needed to cut down services to boot single vm in infra | 17:16 |
| sdake | inc0 yes i understand | 17:16 |
| sdake | i am nervous about gating on mirantis gear, much less sam's personal lab ;) | 17:16 |
| sdake | lets figure out gating in infra | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | im also nervous about my equipment for gating | 17:17 |
| inc0 | so imho if we lose this gate, that's exactly what we have now | 17:17 |
| inc0 | it's a protesis before we can get normal infra to work with us | 17:17 |
| sdake | inc0 except we have to develop the gating, which we could do in openstack-infra | 17:17 |
| pbourke | you mean prototype? | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | alright well to close out this topic ill say this. Im going to be setting up my lab for use by Kolla devs, if anyone wants to use it please contact me | 17:17 |
| sdake | openstack-infra said repeatedly they would give us as many vms as we need, we just need to prove tha twe ccan for example do "two" vms | 17:18 |
| inc0 | I mean artificial leg that will keep us standing for now;) | 17:18 |
| sdake | and then 3 | 17:18 |
| pbourke | SamYaple: I think you'll see up take on that offer. If not you can reconsider for other purposees | 17:18 |
| sdake | cool we have 12 mins | 17:18 |
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| SamYaple | pbourke: did you not have access to multinode? | 17:18 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | this is whats confusing me | 17:18 |
| sdake | SamYaple people dont test multinode because they are -ELAZY | 17:18 |
| pbourke | SamYaple: I do but Id be surprised if others didnt find it useful | 17:19 |
| vhosakot | can I talk about what I'm working on as a new contributor ? | 17:19 |
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| SamYaple | vhosakot: yes | 17:19 |
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| SamYaple | go for it! | 17:19 |
| vhosakot | Updating quickstart, hit keystone errors when cross-building (centos on Ubuntu), hence filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1546652, will submit the fix soon | 17:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546652 in kolla "Add "--cross-build" argument to kolla-build" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Vikram Hosakote (vhosakot) | 17:20 |
| elemoine_ | SamYaple: I think it would be useful to know/document how you set up you multinode env, so that people can mimic that and do the same in their labs | 17:20 |
| SamYaple | vhosakot: would you explain what --cross-build is for the team? | 17:20 |
| vhosakot | sure | 17:20 |
| sdake | elemoine_ d_code has a single node centos setup script coming | 17:20 |
| vhosakot | By default, "kolla-build" builds all containers using CentOS as the base image. | 17:20 |
| vhosakot | ue to this, kolla-build fails to build many containers on Ubuntu due to the following errors. | 17:21 |
| vhosakot | Due* | 17:21 |
| vhosakot | INFO:kolla.cmd.build:keystone:Error unpacking rpm package httpd-2.4.6-40.el7.centos.x86_64 | 17:21 |
| vhosakot | INFO:kolla.cmd.build:keystone:error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/sbin/suexec: cpio: cap_set_file | 17:21 |
| vhosakot | INFO:kolla.cmd.build:keystone:error: httpd-2.4.6-40.el7.centos.x86_64: install failed | 17:21 |
| inc0 | if you run centos containers on ubuntu host, you will have problems | 17:21 |
| inc0 | a lot of them | 17:21 |
| vhosakot | Hence, a new argument "--cross-build" must be added for kolla-build. When the user builds CentOS images on Ubuntu and vice-versa, the "--cross-build" argument must be explicitly specified. If not, kolla-build must throw as error like "Your host OS is Ubuntu and you are building CentOS containers. Please use the "--cross-build" flag to do this" so that the user knows what he/she is doing. | 17:21 |
| inc0 | this is anti-pattern | 17:21 |
| inc0 | I'm -1 to that, you can print warning | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | inc0: vhosakot spent 3 days building the wrong images | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | it needs a hard stop | 17:22 |
| sdake | vhosakot i think with our architecture this coudl be dangeorus to build on a distro with a different systemcall interface | 17:22 |
| vhosakot | agreed | 17:22 |
| sdake | this is the whole reason we have multi-distro support | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | what vhosakot purposes is _blocking_ cross building by default | 17:22 |
| vhosakot | i that case, how about kolla-build preventing what I did the past 3 days :) | 17:22 |
| inc0 | add the printed red capitalized warning "you are building wrong images, you will have issues" | 17:22 |
| sdake | vhosakot that wfm | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | inc0: no it should block. why continue if ther eare known issues? | 17:23 |
| SamYaple | we currently block containers that we know dont work | 17:23 |
| SamYaple | not just warn | 17:23 |
| inc0 | I just don't want to add new cli options | 17:23 |
| sdake | inc0 me either | 17:23 |
| vhosakot | cool, so, if host OS and container image type do not match, throw an error and exit... is this right ? | 17:23 |
| SamYaple | fine well make it a conf only option | 17:23 |
| inc0 | and here I think it's redundant | 17:23 |
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| sdake | i ws pretty clear bout that in liberty ;) | 17:24 |
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| SamYaple | conf only option is fine | 17:24 |
| sdake | vhosakot return i think | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | but byy default it should block builds on cross-dristros | 17:24 |
| sdake | vhosakot we want to amke the build.py work as a library | 17:24 |
| sdake | even though it doesn't totally today | 17:24 |
| vhosakot | ah | 17:24 |
| inc0 | one behaviour I would be more ok with is to raise on every container we know will break | 17:24 |
| vhosakot | ok, throwa good error and return and do nothing.. cool | 17:24 |
| inc0 | and add --force to override all raises | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | inc0: we do not currently track containers. I dont think its time we start | 17:25 |
| ajafo | but build ubuntu images on centos works so maybe option would be good some --force | 17:25 |
| vhosakot | --forece is good.. ok | 17:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | btw, i am using Archlinux and I can build centos and ubuntu image successfully. | 17:25 |
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| inc0 | SamYaple, you just want to start to some extend | 17:25 |
| pbourke | thats interesting I thought the whole point of docker was you could build any base on any host (within reason) | 17:25 |
| sdake | lets focus on simplicity first folks | 17:25 |
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| inc0 | adding option per every case we run into is not scallable | 17:25 |
| sdake | pbourke that is dangerous | 17:25 |
| vhosakot | one more thing, I have a Python script that automates all the steps in the quickstart for Ubuntu. works great and the user need not have to run those commands manually to install kolla.. Can I commit this... | 17:26 |
| sdake | pbourke docker may claim it works, but it does not 100% of the time safely] | 17:26 |
| SamYaple | ok despite where this conversation is going, here is what we need. Hard block when you are building on the wrong familiy unless some option is specific (cli or conf only i dont care) | 17:26 |
| pbourke | sdake: i see | 17:26 |
| pbourke | SamYaple: sounds good to me | 17:26 |
| sdake | i think we dont need an option | 17:26 |
| pbourke | im surprised this is an issue honestly | 17:26 |
| sdake | it should just block the build | 17:26 |
| SamYaple | sdake: no because then it would block on archlinux | 17:27 |
| pbourke | sdake: some may want to force? | 17:27 |
| SamYaple | we dont want to limit people | 17:27 |
| sdake | SamYaple i see | 17:27 |
| pbourke | --force-cross-build maybe | 17:27 |
| sdake | ok option in this case makes sense then | 17:27 |
| inc0 | do we agree that hard block + --force | 17:27 |
| pbourke | inc0: yes | 17:27 |
| inc0 | ? | 17:27 |
| * sdake groans at options | 17:27 | |
| vhosakot | yes, --force-cross-build makes sense | 17:27 |
| SamYaple | it doesnt need to be an option guys | 17:27 |
| sdake | vhosakot i like that option | 17:27 |
| inc0 | I'm -1 to for creating option specifically for this case | 17:27 |
| SamYaple | it can be a config | 17:27 |
| sdake | this is all stuf fwe could talk about in launchpad tho :) | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | inc0: im -2 on tracking per container what builds | 17:28 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, never said I want to | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | you would have to though | 17:28 |
| pbourke | vhosakot: thanks for bringing this up and proposing a solution | 17:28 |
| inc0 | no, not really | 17:28 |
| vhosakot | sure, np | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | yes thanks vhosakot | 17:28 |
| sdake | vhosakot nice job ;) | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | we are about to run over time | 17:28 |
| vhosakot | :) | 17:28 |
| inc0 | if we know of issues (like now) we add hard block | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | we should flow back to #kolla | 17:28 |
| vhosakot | did you guys see me other comment ? :) | 17:28 |
| vhosakot | one more thing, I have a Python script that automates all the steps in the quickstart for Ubuntu. works great and the user need not have to run those commands manually to install kolla.. Can I commit this... | 17:28 |
| sdake | we have 1 minute left | 17:28 |
| sdake | any one have something to bring up? | 17:28 |
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| pbourke | vhosakot: submit for review | 17:29 |
| vhosakot | cool.. thanks! | 17:29 |
| SamYaple | sdake: i think we have 5 secodns left.... | 17:29 |
| sdake | vhosakot don't ask for permission ;) | 17:29 |
| elemoine_ | sdake: nope | 17:29 |
| vhosakot | :) | 17:29 |
| pbourke | bye.... | 17:29 |
| sdake | ok folks | 17:29 |
| sdake | thats it :) | 17:29 |
| elemoine_ | bye | 17:29 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
| nihilifer | bye, thx | 17:29 |
| vhosakot | byee :) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 17:29:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| sdake | thanks for coming | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-02-17-16.30.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-02-17-16.30.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-02-17-16.30.log.html | 17:29 |
| ajafo | bye | 17:29 |
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| dougwig | sec, running late | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 17:32:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:32 |
| dougwig | morning, anyone around? | 17:32 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:32 |
| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 17:33 |
| dougwig | reminder - neutron midcycle next week | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | #topic Open Discussion | 17:34 |
| dougwig | any topics today? | 17:35 |
| dougwig | HenryG: update on base db review? | 17:35 |
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| HenryG | I ran into a policy issue | 17:35 |
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| HenryG | But I am trying a solution | 17:35 |
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| HenryG | So I should have a patch up soon | 17:35 |
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| dougw2 | hmm, freenode/irccloud is unhappy today. | 17:36 |
| * pc_m sorry late | 17:36 | |
| HenryG | But it is making me think that we should start out with a private version first | 17:36 |
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| dougw2 | ok, sounds good. | 17:37 |
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| dougw2 | pc_m: did you get a chance to look at unit tests last week? | 17:37 |
| HenryG | like neutron_lib/_db I mean | 17:37 |
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| pc_m | I ran my scanner script to collect neutron references in networking-cisco and neutron-vpnaas. | 17:38 |
| pc_m | However, I got side tracked by 4 breakages in networking-cisco, and now there looks to be one in neutron-vpnaas. | 17:38 |
| pc_m | :( | 17:38 |
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| pc_m | I'm clueless as to what is wrong with the neutron-vpnaas functional tests, but appears to be a neutron change within the past day. | 17:39 |
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| dougwig | ok. i'm going to try to get a working version of the "model" objects in wip before the mid-cycle. | 17:40 |
| dougwig | which is next week. | 17:40 |
| dougwig | #chair HenryG pc_m | 17:40 |
| openstack | Current chairs: HenryG dougwig pc_m | 17:40 |
| dougw2 | irccloud is having serious issues, sorry. | 17:40 |
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| dougwig | #chair dougw2 | 17:41 |
| openstack | Current chairs: HenryG dougw2 dougwig pc_m | 17:41 |
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| pc_m | cloning yourself... cool! | 17:41 |
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| HenryG | pc_m: is the vpnaas functional breakage the same as the neutron one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1546506 | 17:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546506 in neutron "spawn_n fails in functional tests" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Jakub Libosvar (libosvar) | 17:43 |
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| pc_m | looking | 17:43 |
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| pc_m | don't think so | 17:44 |
| pc_m | http://logs.openstack.org/52/280952/2/check/gate-neutron-vpnaas-dsvm-functional/c9d9cf3/testr_results.html.gz | 17:44 |
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| HenryG | It's still suspicious that the timeout occurs in eventlet though | 17:45 |
| pc_m | I have one commit that is a change to tox.ini, Jenkins worked yesterday, and with another patch pushed up, fails today. The failure is the same in other commits. | 17:45 |
| HenryG | pc_m: Try pinning eventlet to 0.18.2 and see if that helps | 17:46 |
| pc_m | Yeah, there is something about device not being found in the first test. | 17:46 |
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| pc_m | HenryG: I guess I could try that in the requirements file and repush the changes set. | 17:46 |
| pc_m | The awful part is I cannot get tests to run locally. | 17:47 |
| pc_m | I have two machines and each shows different failures (one with two unrelated tests failing, on the other one do_discover doesn't seem to find tests even). | 17:47 |
| pc_m | So I can't reproduce, even though I have a range of Neutron commits with a good and then bad commit that I could run bisect on. | 17:48 |
| pc_m | Bashing my head all morning on this. | 17:48 |
| pc_m | ajmiller offered to try running the tests on his machine. | 17:49 |
| ajmiller | Yes, I am looking at them. Have limited time this morning though. | 17:49 |
| pc_m | HenryG: dougwig: So, I've got to get VPN past this breakage, before I can play with the tests. | 17:50 |
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| HenryG | pc_m: ack | 17:51 |
| HenryG | pc_m: a fresh ubuntu VM, run devstack once, unstack, then the functional tests should run fine. At least that is my experience with neutron core. | 17:53 |
| pc_m | HenryG: Actually, I don't think I can pin eventlet as all the tests (including fucntional) use constraints. :( | 17:53 |
| pc_m | HenryG: Yeah, I was hoping I didn't have to go that far. | 17:54 |
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| pc_m | HenryG: I guess I could try a recheck, once 281278 merges. | 18:00 |
| HenryG | pc_m: it merged an hour ago | 18:00 |
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| pc_m | I'll try a recheck. | 18:00 |
| HenryG | dougwig: anything else? | 18:02 |
| dougw2 | if this message ever makes it, no, let's end. | 18:03 |
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| dougw2 | hope to see folks next week. | 18:03 |
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| pc_m | I can't attend. | 18:03 |
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| pc_m | the mid-cycle | 18:03 |
| HenryG | pc_m: we'll try keeping an etherpad up to date | 18:04 |
| pc_m | HenryG: Thanks | 18:04 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 18:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 18:04:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-02-17-17.32.html | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-02-17-17.32.txt | 18:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-02-17-17.32.log.html | 18:04 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hello all, The additional User Guide Team meetign will start in about 10 minutes, pending interest | 21:54 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 22:17 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 22:17:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:17 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:17 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 22:17 |
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| JRobinson__ | Morning all o/ | 22:17 |
| JRobinson__ | This is a shorter meeting, | 22:18 |
| gmolson | Hello! | 22:18 |
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| JRobinson__ | gmolson, o/ hello there | 22:19 |
| JRobinson__ | sorry I was running late today as well. | 22:19 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic action items from last meeting | 22:19 |
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| JRobinson__ | There were a few points, and so far I've had a look at the dashboard point - | 22:20 |
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| JRobinson__ | Moving the Admin guide dashboard items to the Cloud admin dashboard chapter. | 22:20 |
| gmolson | No worries. I understand. | 22:20 |
| JRobinson__ | Unfortunately that's all - I still need to speak to the Oslo team on config reference consistency efforts going on. | 22:20 |
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| gmolson | Ok - I looked a bit more at the original spec for the mitaka reorg. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238770/ | 22:22 |
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| gmolson | so just checking - is the End User Guide remaining intact? | 22:22 |
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| JRobinson__ | gmolson, that's right. The End User Guide is not going to change ye | 22:23 |
| JRobinson__ | yet^ | 22:23 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:23 |
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| JRobinson__ | There may be changes this year, depending on the next release goals. | 22:23 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Dashboard Chapters | 22:24 |
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| gmolson | so from your perspective, there will be dashboard content and openstack command-line content in both the Admin Guide (currently cloud admin guide) and the End User Guide? | 22:24 |
| gmolson | for mitaka | 22:24 |
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| JRobinson__ | gmolson, Yes that sounds like a good summary of what I was thinking of for the Mitaka release | 22:25 |
| gmolson | ok - I received a query from a colleague on a dashboard related item. She was wondering about the reorg and stating that a lot of the dashboard access is being controlled by policy files and not necessarily the hard coded admin role... | 22:26 |
| gmolson | but it sounds like for now, we're going to do our best to split it out by admin / end user | 22:27 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, that is interesting, I had not heard that point - | 22:27 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info A lot of the dashboard access is being controlled by policy files | 22:28 |
| gmolson | I can follow up with her more to understand whether this is new for mitaka or bau | 22:28 |
| JRobinson__ | thanks for bringing that up, something to look into with the mailing list for more insights into the admin role moving forward. | 22:28 |
| gmolson | so related to the dashboard conent existing in both the admin guide and end user guide... I did a quick check to see if there is reuse of the content... | 22:29 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, if you have time to confirm that would be great. | 22:30 |
| gmolson | I didn't get to check extensively, but it looks like there is just one section of common information that is mainly the login content. Does that sound correct? | 22:30 |
| JRobinson__ | There is some reuse iirc re: comparing the admin and end user guide, | 22:30 |
| JRobinson__ | but yes that sounds right | 22:30 |
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| gmolson | ok | 22:31 |
| JRobinson__ | Any further dashboard topics? | 22:32 |
| gmolson | only related to the task list... | 22:33 |
| gmolson | If we are going to update the task list with a list of files to move, etc... do you just want that directly under the Up to Date tasks heading? | 22:34 |
| JRobinson__ | That's fine, I added the dashboard task discussed at the last meeting - I thought splitting the merge into two halves to reduce patch size would be a good first step | 22:34 |
| gmolson | ah - I think I missed that you added that. I saw that you updated it, but wasn't able to figure out what changed. Ha. | 22:35 |
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| gmolson | oh, I see it now - thanks! | 22:35 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, np, file names should ideally go under the chapter heading - the list follows the chapter title structure of the cloud admin guide. | 22:36 |
| gmolson | gotcha. I agree that the section info makes sense and is adequate for my purposes. | 22:36 |
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| JRobinson__ | I also considered a table, after the 'Up to Date tasks' section. This might be easier to track, and keep the task list relatively more easy-to-read | 22:37 |
| gmolson | JRobinson__ - ok, sure. I think as long as we can tell what section you decide to work on in part 1, that's fine with me. | 22:38 |
| JRobinson__ | The columns would be |Cloud Admin Chapter|Admin Guide File| . This would show a bit more clearly what files have been copied to the cloud admin guide, and where they are now. | 22:39 |
| gmolson | and just indicate that when the file is in the table, it's transferred, or something along those lines | 22:40 |
| JRobinson__ | ^yes, that's right. | 22:40 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:40 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, I'll put that together. Thanks for listening to my ramblings on this point! :) | 22:41 |
| gmolson | of course ;) | 22:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | #action add a table for Admin Guide file tracking. | 22:41 |
| JRobinson__ | The only other action item I had was moving the Command Line chapters to the Cloud Admin Guide. | 22:42 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Command Line Chapters | 22:44 |
| gmolson | I noticed in your agenda, "match with the OpenStack service, and add to the start of the chapter?" | 22:44 |
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| JRobinson__ | gmolson, My thoughts were to add a command line section to the start of each chapter so Admins looking for a reminder on what the common admin-related commands are will be easy to locate | 22:46 |
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| gmolson | I can see your rationale of splitting it out by service. I wonder if like the Dashboard content it would be helpful to keep it all together... | 22:47 |
| JRobinson__ | iirc, the cli chapters in the admin user guide describe commonly used admin commands, with some background on when admin users can run the commands. | 22:47 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, A good alternative - I did not suggest that as unlike the dashboard chapter, there is not a Command Line Chapter | 22:48 |
| JRobinson__ | Creating one did not occur to me though. That is a good point. | 22:48 |
| gmolson | in the end user guide, the CLI info will still be colocated. Not sure if it's helpful for the two guides (Admin and End User) to be somewhat parallel? | 22:48 |
| gmolson | right - We'd have to add it, and it's not parallel with the other services... | 22:48 |
| gmolson | we would have to have a common section somewhere in the Cloud Admin Guide anway, for content like this chapter, Install the OpenStack command-line clients | 22:50 |
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| JRobinson__ | Making the new Admin Guide parallel with the End User Guide is a good move, I think | 22:51 |
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| gmolson | At this point, my thought would be to add OpenStack command-line clients section after Orchestration in the Cloud Admin Guide | 22:53 |
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| JRobinson__ | Ok, and looking through the guides again, my action item about matching with the OpenStack Service was not clear | 22:54 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Potentially add an OpenStack command-line clients section after the orchestration chapter of the Cloud Admin Guide | 22:55 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, Adding the idea to the minutes. | 22:55 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:56 |
| JRobinson__ | I think handling the dashboard content first | 22:56 |
| JRobinson__ | and then return to the CLI content after that task is complete for now | 22:56 |
| gmolson | works for me | 22:56 |
| JRobinson__ | Ok, | 22:56 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Open Discussion | 22:57 |
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| JRobinson__ | If that's all then I might close the meeting | 22:57 |
| gmolson | thanks, Joseph. Helpful discussion. Thanks again for meeting early in your day! | 22:57 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, np, the meeting time is now in the OpenStack infra team calendar, so no danger of clashes | 22:58 |
| gmolson | thumbs up. thanks! | 22:58 |
| JRobinson__ | So there should also be a meeting next week, but then after that the fortnightly schedule will return, unless we need more meetings leading up to the summit. | 22:59 |
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| gmolson | ok | 22:59 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 22:59:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-17-22.17.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-17-22.17.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-17-22.17.log.html | 22:59 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, thanks again o/ | 23:00 |
| gmolson | Have a great day! | 23:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | thank you ! | 23:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | Morning again all o/ second User Guide meeting is a slightly delayed, but starting soon, | 23:37 |
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