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| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k | 13:59 |
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| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 13:59:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 13:59 | |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 13:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 13:59 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 13:59 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| avarner | o/ | 14:00 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:00 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | Hello, folks! | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
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| * flaper87 will implement "Courtesy SMS" | 14:01 | |
| nikhil | o/ | 14:01 |
| kairat | o/ | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | #chair rosmaita nikhil | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 nikhil rosmaita | 14:01 |
| nikhil | or whatsapp will do :) | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:01 |
| * flaper87 won't ever trust his internet connection, ever ever ever ever again | 14:01 | |
| flaper87 | cool | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | let's start | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Glare Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glare Updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:02 | |
| mfedosin | oh, it's me :) | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | so, we had a small conversation with Nikhil | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | about how we see glare | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | and the API refactor, right? :D | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | first of all I think we have to rewrite Alex specs | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | public and private apis are not good :) | 14:04 |
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| jokke_ | :o | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | I'm writing a small text called "What is Glare?" | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254710/ | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | there I'm going to express my feelings about it | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | so, it's safe to say that we'll reject the spec freeze exception for that | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | I think yes | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | and this will be pushed back to Newton | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | I'll comment after the meeting | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | sad but true | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | I think it's the right call | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | also, sigmavirus24_awa had some good comments there | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | yes, I don't like 'all' | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | and I think those were valid enough to block the spec | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | ok, glad to hear there's consensus | 14:06 |
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| mfedosin | we will work with nikhil to prepare a good api for glare | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | Meantime, we do need to move v3 to glare-api | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | yep | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | BTW, having glare-api and glance-api feels weird | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | I'm wondering if we should have glance-glare | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | instead | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | and it seems I have to look at this patch | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | nova services are nova-* | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | same cinder | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | and neutron | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | and everything else | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | glare-api is just misleading, IMHO | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255274/ | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | lets worry about the naming after we figure out what/when/how we do the separation in the first place | 14:07 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: well, the spec for the separation landed already | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | and the v3 -> glare stuff is happening | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | there's apatch for it already | 14:08 |
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| flaper87 | I'll amend the spec that landed and we can discuss this there | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | we must merge it in Mitaka | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | oh ... | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | yup | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: anything else? | 14:09 |
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| jokke_ | sorry ... I read your line above "meantime we do _not_ need to move" my bad | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254163/ | 14:09 |
| nikhil | do we need a separate virtual meet for glance? | 14:09 |
| nikhil | or the one you are gunna propose will suffice? | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | I think that should be enough | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | Planning to include everything | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | if not, we can always organize a new one | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:10 |
| nikhil | cool | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | #topic Updates Drivers | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates Drivers (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:10 | |
| flaper87 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084983.html | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | So, the news is that we dismissed the drivers team | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | Drivers is dead, long live Drivers! | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | it's gone | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | we're all one team again | 14:11 |
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| rosmaita | hooray | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | which makes more sense, I think | 14:11 |
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| rosmaita | one for all, and all for fun | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | That brings some changes | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | lemme summarize them: | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | 1) Specs are reviewed by cores too. It's a volunteers job | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | 2) PTL will bring some specs to the meeting and request for volunteers to drive the review | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | I don't think we need the volunteer to be core, TBH | 14:12 |
| sabari | o/ | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to encourage everyone to help driving specs from a review stand point | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | but it'll need core's votes anyway | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | 3) PTL approves specs | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | Unless the patch is a trivial fix, typo, whatever, it's better to let the PTL approve the spec | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | Ok, that's it from the *glance-specs* repo side | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | Now, there's one more thing that needs to happen | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | Since we're merging both meetings, the glance meeting will have more content (I hope) | 14:13 |
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| flaper87 | that means the time available is not the same we used to have | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | So, we need to get to a point, in the week, where the agenda is frozen | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | I think I'll start freezing the agenda on Wednesdays | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | Unless the agenda is empty, we won't be adding new topics to it | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | There's no need to add bullets to the Open Discussion section. It's open discussion and you can bring anything | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | Ditto for review requests | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | ok, I think that's it. | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | Did I miss something? | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | I'll take that as a no | 14:16 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Updates V1 -> V2 | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates V1 -> V2 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:16 | |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: ^ | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: ? | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | so, I updated all patches by johnthetubaguy requirements | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | w000h000 | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | no comments at all there | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | about xen | 14:17 |
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| mfedosin | I prepared a patch that removes custom headers from the request | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | also I have working code, but I need to set some env with python 2.4 | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | ... | 14:18 |
| mfedosin | because unfortunately code that works in 2.7 may not work in 2.4 :( | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | why is this a thing, btw? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | why do we need to support 2.4 just for the xenplugin? | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | just have no time with all latest events | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | ask Bob Ball :) | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | this is nonsense, TBH. | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I will | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | can't believe some parts of openstack are being forced to support 2.4 | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | anyway | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | moving on | 14:20 |
| mfedosin | I'll upload patch very soon | 14:20 |
| mfedosin | for xen plugin | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | #topic (re)think spec lite process.. Again ;) (flaper87) | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "(re)think spec lite process.. Again ;) (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:20 | |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: thanks | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | so | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | spec lites | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | LP didn't work. It was a good/bad experiment. It was useful because we didn't have time to spend on re-structuring the specs repo | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | but now we do | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | Mitaka specs are frozen | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | Newton started and I (someone) can dedicate time to this | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | back then jokke_ proposed using glance-specs for this | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | and now that we're back to being a single team, I believe it makes sense | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | we'll have more bandwidth in the -specs repo | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | and cores can approve spec lites | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | Here's the little I've thought so far: | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | 1) We create a template that requires just description and proposed change | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | and how about, not dump 100 10 line spec-lite files in there, but track spec lites in a single file? | 14:22 |
| nikhil | I was/am on the same team as johnthetubaguy | 14:22 |
| nikhil | oops | 14:22 |
| nikhil | jokke_: ^ | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | 2) We follow the same process as for patches: 2+2s +A | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy to let core's approve spec lites | 14:22 |
| nikhil | I think we need to separate store, client, api, glare specs in different files | 14:22 |
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| flaper87 | I think we should keep them separate | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | pretty much like we do for releasenotes | 14:23 |
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| flaper87 | it doesn't have to be big | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | it can be rendered in the same page if we want | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | but repo-wise, they can stay separate | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: would you be able to help with that? | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | setting up the repo, updating the contributing guidelines, etc | 14:24 |
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| * flaper87 wonders if his messages are getting to destination | 14:25 | |
| flaper87 | !ping | 14:25 |
| openstack | pong | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | w00h00 | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | that worked | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: is ignor.... | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: HELLO | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | ^^ | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | thanks a bunch | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | #action jokke_ to get spec-lite right | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | any objections? thoughts? | 14:26 |
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| flaper87 | ok | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | moving on | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Glance Mini (Virtual) Summit (A bit late, I know) (flaper87) | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance Mini (Virtual) Summit (A bit late, I know) (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:27 | |
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| flaper87 | ok, it's not really *THAT* late | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | most mid-cycles are happening this week | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | So, how would folks feel about meeting next week? | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i could do that | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | agree | 14:28 |
| nikhil | I dont mind substituting weekly meeting with video call(s) | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | I was honestly thinking of allocating 2 half days | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | or just one | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | depending on the agenda | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | Trying to think how we could make this work for most TZs | 14:28 |
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| flaper87 | ok, I'll send a doodle to the ML | 14:29 |
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| flaper87 | please, look for it *today* and vote | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | or tomorrow for folks in other TZs | 14:29 |
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| sabari | cool | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | I'll put together a short agenda that I hope other folks will contribute to | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | ok ... one or 2 half days just might work | 14:30 |
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| jokke_ | not gonna be able to do anything sparser than that | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | gotcha | 14:31 |
| nikhil | me neither | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 14:31 |
| * flaper87 writes this down | 14:31 | |
| flaper87 | oh wait, it's logged | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 to send doodle for glance mini virtual summit | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | ok, anything else? | 14:32 |
| nikhil | agenda pls | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | yup, just mentioned it above | 14:32 |
| nikhil | so tht we can pick and choose | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | oooook | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | moving on | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:33 |
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| flaper87 | This was a short meeting | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | Shoot all your Open Discussion items | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | hi | 14:33 |
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| sabari | on spec-lite, what about existing unapproved ones ? | 14:34 |
| sabari | should they be re-proposed in specs ? | 14:34 |
| kairat | +1 to sabari | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259963/4 about backend exception from glnce | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | I'd keep the LP process until N and from Newton we start tracking them in a repo | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | let's not expect anyone doing double work for mitaka | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | sabari: yeah, we'll need to ask ppl to move them | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | I don't feel good about that | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | but I don't have time to do it myself | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | should I create a blue print for adding subclassed to return different error codes as mentioned on the patch?? | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | nor the knowledge on every spec-lite | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | and I'm not the author :P | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: I'd start using the new process for new spec-lites | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | the ones that exist can be left as-is | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | but new ones should be filed under glance-specs | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | abhishekk: looking | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | flaper87: ok | 14:36 |
| sabari | k so the ones being discussed about can be on lp. Thanks. | 14:36 |
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| flaper87 | abhishekk: you already filed a bug for it | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | abhishekk: I think it's fine | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | will read in more details soon | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | flaper87: ok thank you | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | anything else? | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | anyone ? | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | i got something | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | all members please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261288/2 (Provide a list of request ids to the caller | 14:38 |
| mfedosin | one question | 14:38 |
| nikhil | I got one update | 14:38 |
| kairat | I have one) | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | (i will go last) | 14:38 |
| mfedosin | Darja found a strange behaviour in v2 | 14:38 |
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| mfedosin | when we delete images | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | PPL, feel free to shout all your updates | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | this is Open Discussion | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: link | 14:38 |
| mfedosin | https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/db/__init__.py#L285-L295 | 14:38 |
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| mfedosin | First we update all image properties and if there are no exceptions then we delete it | 14:39 |
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| nikhil | yup | 14:39 |
| nikhil | best effort | 14:39 |
| mfedosin | she found that this exceptions never happen | 14:39 |
| avarner | I'm still working with ninag and nikhil on the hierarchical quota spec | 14:39 |
| mfedosin | and it's okay to remove 'update' code | 14:40 |
| mfedosin | what do you think? | 14:40 |
| nikhil | wait | 14:40 |
| mfedosin | code was written in 2012 | 14:40 |
| nikhil | the exceptions can occur if you loose conn to DB right? | 14:40 |
| sabari | or during parallel deletes. | 14:41 |
| mfedosin | dshakhray: ^ | 14:41 |
| nikhil | ah yes | 14:41 |
| dashakhray_ | Yes) | 14:41 |
| nikhil | DB upgrades too then | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | yeah, if you can't delete the image record, don't want to leave the image 'active' and delete the data | 14:41 |
| mfedosin | btw, image data was removed in location layer | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | so it's already gone | 14:43 |
| mfedosin | yes | 14:43 |
| mfedosin | so maybe we can remove https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/db/__init__.py#L286-L292 ? | 14:44 |
| nikhil | hmm, I think there's a catch to this | 14:44 |
| sabari | mfedosin: probably propose a review and we can all jump on it :) | 14:44 |
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| nikhil | ok, nvm. if someone proposes a review we can discuss it there | 14:44 |
| sabari | nikhil +1 | 14:45 |
| nikhil | sabari: like minds :) | 14:45 |
| mfedosin | dashakhray_: please make a patch for this | 14:45 |
| nikhil | my update: "The Openstack bug smash days" formerly "openstack hackathon" in NYC is getting closer to reality | 14:45 |
| nikhil | sorry about the delay, this is a expensive, busy and challenging location | 14:45 |
| nikhil | getting the space and sponsorship took a bit of time | 14:45 |
| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Hackathon | 14:45 |
| nikhil | for those who can make it there | 14:46 |
| nikhil | for everyone else I will try to get remote conn | 14:46 |
| dshakhray | mfedosin, i am here) I'm doing this | 14:46 |
| nikhil | (courtesy invite from the organizing team): please try to attend at least locally | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: +1 on remote conn | 14:46 |
| mfedosin | dashakhray_: thank you :) | 14:47 |
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| sabari | nikhil: nice! will take a look | 14:47 |
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| mfedosin | I'll be there in Moscow location :) | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | remote conn ++ | 14:47 |
| nikhil | I will have NYC etherpad be setup by marketing personnel early next week | 14:48 |
| nikhil | once all approvals are final | 14:48 |
| kairat | Ok, I ll proceed | 14:48 |
| kairat | Are we going to release glance_store this week? If yes then we need to merge this(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272990/) or revert the patch where we deleted auth module: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250857/. Otherwise, glance_store for mult-tenant swift driver will be broken. | 14:48 |
| nikhil | Thanks | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | kairat: not sure if it'll be this week but soonish | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | likely next week | 14:49 |
| kairat | Ok, got it | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | last week i mentioned a glance spec from an ironic dev who wants to add 'tar' as a disk_format | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1535900 | 14:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1535900 in Glance "Add tar as a disk_format to glance" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Arun S A G (sagarun) | 14:49 |
| sabari | kairat: thanks, duly noted :) | 14:49 |
| kairat | So please review the patch, perhaps I should have raised bug priority also | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | i sent a message to the ML asking what people thought | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084779.html | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | Btw, folks, we've invited kairat and rosmaita to the core team. They have both accepted and there haven't been objections on the ML | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: kairat congrats and thanks for joining | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | ty! | 14:49 |
| nikhil | congrats! | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | I don't see us releasing it today and Fri is always bad day for release | 14:49 |
| sabari | +1 congrats kairat! | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | It'll be effective next week but I just can't keep my mouth shut | 14:50 |
| kairat | kairat, thanks, guys! | 14:50 |
| nikhil | I need to officially reply with +1s | 14:50 |
| sabari | me too | 14:50 |
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| rosmaita | anyway, about the disk_format thing ... | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | the discussion sort of got off track into a discussion about whether a tarball should be used at all | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: shoot | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | (which isn't really our concern, ironic is going to use it no matter what) | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i will re-send asking people to focus on what the identifier should be (for example, 'tar' or 'os-tarball' or 'dangerous-format-image') | 14:50 |
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| rosmaita | please join the discussion if you have an opinion | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | that's all, i had a question but think i will file & fix a bug instead | 14:51 |
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| flaper87 | I've mixed feelings but as jokke_ pointed out, we already have OVA so... adding tar should be ok | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | I also think we could add it as a container and as a disk | 14:51 |
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| flaper87 | :P | 14:51 |
| sabari | but as container-format makes sense, why can't it be raw for disk-format :) | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | i'm not so sure about container | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | where would the metadata be? | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | for 'docker' and 'ova' you know where to look | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | 'tar' seems too generic | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | that's why i think maybe they should use 'os-tarball' for disk_format | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | and 'bare' for container | 14:52 |
| sabari | they don't have any metadata, is that the criteria for container-format ? | 14:52 |
| avarner | 'tar' is an archiving file format, not a disk image file format. Qemu has no way to boot directly from a 'tar' file, for example. | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | yes, but ironic does | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | but OVA is basically a tar | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | it just has a file w/ metadata in it | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | not basicallym it is | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | but it's effectively a tar | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: english | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:53 |
| nikhil | hmm, I don't see it that way though | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: elaborate? | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | like threat point of view there is no difference between ova and honest (as in not claiming to be something else) tarball | 14:54 |
| avarner | OVA is an image format though, even if it is just a tar with metadata files in it | 14:54 |
| nikhil | feels like it leverages all tar-ing capabilities but the wrapping around it can be advanced | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | avarner: ova is really a package format | 14:55 |
| nikhil | yes | 14:55 |
| nikhil | exactly | 14:55 |
| sabari | ova = metadata + a valid disk format within it | 14:55 |
| avarner | ok | 14:55 |
| nikhil | it's an indicator of all that can exist under the layer | 14:55 |
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| nikhil | vs. tar is explicit in terms of what is being wrapped | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | I just feel someone will propose using tar as a container format in the future | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | happy to not add it now | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | but I'd bet that will happen | 14:56 |
| nikhil | the implementation can be simply seen as meta + disk | 14:56 |
| nikhil | but the use of it isn't | 14:56 |
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| flaper87 | rosmaita: ok, you'll send an email updating the thread, right? | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | yep | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | avarner: if it makes your life any easier it's one change in glance config files so feel free to document it for ironic use case | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | I just want us all to keep this in midn as it *will* bite us as soon as the new import process is in place | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | well, that actually was the question i had | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | we don't have a way to enforce disk_format, container_format identifiers | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | as jokke_ says, you just slap what you want in the config | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | of course, it doesn't make sense to do that unless there's a consumer | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | who knows what the identifier means | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | so if ironic looks for 'tar' and i have 'os-tarball', won't work | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | so maybe this is actually self-enforcing | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | folks, reaching the bottom of the hour. We need to wrap the meeting up | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | We can keep the discussion on te ML | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: thanks for driving it | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | np | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | thank you all for joining | 14:59 |
| mfedosin | thanks | 14:59 |
| kairat | thanks | 14:59 |
| nikhil | thx | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | bye | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | tty next week and see you at the virtual meetup | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 14:59:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-01-28-13.59.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-01-28-13.59.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-01-28-13.59.log.html | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | TravT: back in 2 min, grabbing coffee | 15:00 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 15:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:00 |
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| sjmc7 | o/ | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| RickA-HP | o/ | 15:01 |
| TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
| yingjun | o/ | 15:01 |
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| david-lyle_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:02 |
| nikhil | o/ | 15:02 |
| TravT | hey, just a sec... my mouse just stopped working. need to try something | 15:02 |
| TravT | thx for coming today! | 15:02 |
| TravT | brb | 15:02 |
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| RickA-HP | That was a quick meeting | 15:03 |
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| TravT | okay | 15:04 |
| TravT | here's our agenda | 15:04 |
| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:04 |
| TravT | #topic Li Yingjun now core | 15:04 |
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| TravT | Congrats yingjun! | 15:05 |
| RickA-HP | Great job! | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | yay! | 15:05 |
| rosmaita | congrats! | 15:05 |
| lakshmiS | team is growing! | 15:05 |
| yingjun | thanks, my honour to join the team! | 15:05 |
| TravT | just for reference: http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2016-01/msg01544.html | 15:05 |
| TravT | yingjun: I'll add you in gerrit and launchpad after this meeting. | 15:05 |
| TravT | thanks for your hard work! we're very happy to have you! | 15:06 |
| yingjun | :) | 15:06 |
| david-lyle_ | Change in can get behind | 15:06 |
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| TravT | #topic spec review day results | 15:07 |
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| TravT | Thanks for everybody that participated in spec review day | 15:07 |
| TravT | it was very helpful | 15:07 |
| TravT | we had some good discussion | 15:07 |
| TravT | We approved the notification pipeline | 15:07 |
| TravT | and it seem lei-zh already put up WIP patch | 15:08 |
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| TravT | we also had some good discussion on zero downtime and deletion journal | 15:08 |
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| TravT | with some follow up actions | 15:08 |
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| TravT | today, i was hoping that we could just continue live reviews / discussion on the specs | 15:09 |
| TravT | i saw that RickA-HP has done a few modifications | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | sounds good | 15:09 |
| RickA-HP | Yes, I posted new updates for both specs | 15:09 |
| TravT | so should we start with deletion journal or zero down time? | 15:09 |
| RickA-HP | I hope I got everyones concenrs addresses :) | 15:09 |
| RickA-HP | Let's start with Zero Downtime. | 15:10 |
| TravT | #topic zero down time reindexing | 15:10 |
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| TravT | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245222/ | 15:10 |
| TravT | i think we should all just take a minute to look through the changes | 15:10 |
| TravT | and then we can discuss | 15:10 |
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| TravT | it is worth noting that you can read the rendered version with inline images from the build output here: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/22/245222/11/check/gate-searchlight-specs-docs/6038feb//doc/build/html/specs/mitaka/zero-downtime-reindexing.html | 15:12 |
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| rosmaita | TravT: how do you find that? | 15:12 |
| TravT | gate-searchlight-specs-docs | 15:13 |
| TravT | under the jenkins check | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | ty | 15:13 |
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| sjmc7 | one thing i mentioned to TravT last night, while i was being self pitying for being sick, is that in the situation of a change to code (like a new plugin being added, or an existing one’s data being changed in an incompatible fashion), the listener cannot pump data into both indices | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | the choice there is to discontinue indexing into one index (or both), or run two listeners | 15:15 |
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| TravT | yes, sjmc7 brought up a very great point. we still need to design out an overarching deployment workflow for when new code with incompatible changes needs to be rolled out. | 15:16 |
| RickA-HP | sjmc7: In your latter case, do you mean the mapping has major changes to it or something else? | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, something like that | 15:16 |
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| TravT | this spec primarily covers re-indexing without code rollout... which is okay i think. but something to consider | 15:17 |
| RickA-HP | Should this use case be included in this spec, or should we create a new spec? Like we did for the deletion journal? | 15:17 |
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| sjmc7 | i don’t think it needs including, but it’s worth bearing in mind | 15:17 |
| RickA-HP | It's worth not forgetting! | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 15:17 |
| TravT | RickA-HP: I'm not 100% sure we need a spec for this, so much as we need documentation on deployment and upgrades. | 15:17 |
| TravT | and based on that we might need specs for some feature to help support it | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | in particular, that there will be cases when it doesn’t make sense to try to continue indexing into both, and if there are significant difficulties implementing that, it doesn’t necessarily need to be a blocker | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | maybe add an "out of scope" section | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, that’d be fine. or even in the docs as part of the change | 15:18 |
| TravT | yes, agreed, that's what I meant by need documentation | 15:19 |
| RickA-HP | sjmc7: Which change? Do you mean the implementation? | 15:19 |
| TravT | but spending a little time thinking about that to ensure we don't run off and implement something that makes the upgrade rollout scenario impossible would be good | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | yes | 15:19 |
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| RickA-HP | I'd rather document it now before we forget about it. | 15:20 |
| TravT | RickA-HP: This could even be its own blueprint (document deployment and upgrade workflow) | 15:20 |
| TravT | which wouldn't be a spec | 15:20 |
| TravT | it would be https://github.com/openstack/searchlight/tree/master/doc/source | 15:20 |
| TravT | which gets published here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/searchlight/ | 15:21 |
| RickA-HP | Aah. I was using spec = blueprint. | 15:21 |
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| RickA-HP | TravtT: That github seems to be for users, not really for developers. Will it get lost if we place it there. | 15:23 |
| RickA-HP | In any case, whereever the team thinks we should document this I'll go add it. | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | maybe adda note to the spec | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | and we’ll note in the documentation that this case isn’t covered | 15:24 |
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| TravT | i'm actually not 100% sure of all the intended audiences of our in tree documentation, but developers are definitely a primary target | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | well, and admins | 15:25 |
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| TravT | david-lyle: rosmaita: do you know if there is some "what should be and what shouldn't be" in our in tree docs? | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | i don’t want to keep holding up the spec for things i think of 2 months late though :) let’s add a brief note to it | 15:25 |
| RickA-HP | To stop the rat-holing I'll add it in both places Steve suggested :) | 15:25 |
| TravT | yes, a brief note on it in spec is all that is needed for now | 15:26 |
| TravT | and we can document in tree | 15:26 |
| rosmaita | TravT: no, don't think there is | 15:26 |
| TravT | that where people go afaik for base information. There are operator guides, but i think they'd base anything from our in tree docs | 15:26 |
| david-lyle_ | No. | 15:27 |
| david-lyle_ | Up to us what it contains | 15:27 |
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| sjmc7 | anything else on this one? i’m ok with the content | 15:31 |
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| TravT | I just added a minor nit and the note you mentioned, but did you do that as well? | 15:33 |
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| sjmc7 | no, my laziness worked for me for once | 15:33 |
| TravT | otherwise, i don't see anything else | 15:33 |
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| rosmaita | i have no objections | 15:34 |
| TravT | david-lyle: nikhil: yingjun: lakshmiS: need more time or can we move on to the deletion journal? | 15:34 |
| yingjun | no problem from me | 15:34 |
| lakshmiS | i will spend time later on this | 15:35 |
| TravT | this spec is an eye burner, that's for sure | 15:35 |
| TravT | certainly feel free to continue on it as well. we'll just move on to deletion journal | 15:35 |
| TravT | #topic Deletion journaling spec | 15:35 |
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| TravT | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269783/ | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | and both this, and the versioning one, are a pre-req for reindexing? | 15:36 |
| TravT | versioning addresses a different bug... but i think is important to reindexing | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | rosmaita: did rick clear up your questions with this one? | 15:38 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: need to look at latest changes | 15:38 |
| rosmaita | i think the only question i had left is how the TTL will e managed | 15:38 |
| rosmaita | *be | 15:39 |
| sjmc7 | as in how long? | 15:39 |
| sjmc7 | or when the reaper will run? | 15:39 |
| RickA-HP | sjmc7: In terms of implementation we can still code the reindexing without the deletion, but we do not want to release the reindexing with the deletion. | 15:39 |
| RickA-HP | So I don't know if the deletion is a strict pre-req for reindexing. | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: both | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | for how long, it’s really only as long as we might expect to process redundant notifications | 15:40 |
| RickA-HP | rosmaita: Is that something that is needed for the blueprint? | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | so, for instance, if you shutdown a nova server, you get a load of notifications | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | but there’s probably only a few seconds window where it’s a problem | 15:41 |
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| sjmc7 | that’s a good point - it might be a documentation item rather than something needs to be in the spec | 15:41 |
| rosmaita | RickA-HP: i may be wrong, but i see it as the key link between the 2 specs | 15:41 |
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| rosmaita | well, if the window is only a few sec, then i guess not a problem | 15:42 |
| RickA-HP | rosmaitia. Ok. In the past when I've used TTL it seems that it gets designed with one value. But after coding it up and using it the value changes! | 15:42 |
| rosmaita | i guess my question is really about using TTL in this way instead of controlling via the garbage collector | 15:43 |
| RickA-HP | There was always an emperical-ness to TTLs. | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | even if we let documents sit for ages, it shouldn’t be an issue. we wouldn’t expect notifications for those documents to arrive (since they’re meant to have disappeared from the cloud) | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | the diff between the GC is that to indexing, the document has actually gone, even if it’s not been GCed | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | so lucene marks the doc as deleted, but a reindexing operation will create a new one | 15:44 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will just note that my ES knowledge is vastly exceeded here, and will rely on y'all | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | with TTL, it’s still there, so we can detect that we’re processing a notification for an outdated document | 15:44 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: ok, that makes sense | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | it’s not really e-s specific. the key thing is that instead of removing the doc for server ABC, we mark it such that notifications received from the past are ignored | 15:45 |
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| rosmaita | yeah, i forgot again about PUT creating a doc instead of 404ing | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | i’m not trying to railroad you though - if it still doesn’t make sense, i may be missing something | 15:46 |
| rosmaita | ok, i'm good | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, that’s the heart of the issue | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | it’s kind of a special case of ensuring we don’t process notifications of events older than ones we’ve already done | 15:47 |
| rosmaita | i guess my only objection at this point is that latin and french phrases should be in italics | 15:48 |
| rosmaita | :) | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | yes.. or perhaps removed | 15:48 |
| TravT | +1 | 15:48 |
| rosmaita | no, don't remove ... how many other specs refer to folie a deux? | 15:48 |
| TravT | So, i did put up some comments right now | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:48 |
| TravT | I think specs and code could all use a little more humor | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | we do use python, after all | 15:49 |
| TravT | just humor at a 3rd grade reading level that somebody like me can understand. :) | 15:49 |
| rosmaita | fart! | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | ah, the benefits of a classical education | 15:49 |
| RickA-HP | TravT: Feel free to have your daughter explain the spec to you | 15:49 |
| TravT | LOL | 15:49 |
| TravT | i did manage to get some star wars references into some test data in horizon. | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | one other thing if we’re done with that one - there are a number of reviews (mostly mine) that are a little gnarly, but are important architecturally (and force rebases of other stuff) | 15:50 |
| TravT | i don't think we're quite done with that topic... | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 15:50 |
| TravT | Is it safe to say that all that is potentially needed on deletion journal is the very minor clarification i just suggested on line 49? | 15:51 |
| TravT | or are there others? | 15:51 |
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| sjmc7 | i’m ok with the spec now, i think - it’s clear enough to start implementing | 15:51 |
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| sjmc7 | no, i’m good | 15:52 |
| TravT | rosmaita: | 15:52 |
| TravT | ? | 15:52 |
| rosmaita | i'm good too | 15:52 |
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| TravT | okay, well, if RickA-HP makes the minor change I'm happy to +2 as well. | 15:52 |
| TravT | i just feel it is an important difference that could confuse somebody else coming in | 15:53 |
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| TravT | #topic sjmc7 needs some reviews! | 15:53 |
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| RickA-HP | Ok. I'll update both blueprints with your comments incorporated later today. | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | yeah.. i get that some of these reviews are a bit intimidating (sorry) - if it would help people, i can talk through bits of them rahter than ping pong comments on gerrit | 15:54 |
| RickA-HP | sjmc7: I'm in the middle of reviewing the user role code changes. | 15:54 |
| RickA-HP | It's slow going! | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | excellent, thanks. yeah, i know; i ended up refactoring some stuff because i was copy n pasting | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | perhaps would’ve been better to do that separately | 15:54 |
| TravT | was that to address the -1 i gave? | 15:55 |
| TravT | sjmc7: i think https://review.openstack.org/257516, https://review.openstack.org/267864, https://review.openstack.org/236043 are your reviews we really should get through now, right? | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | right. the -1.. let me look it up. i thought i’d replied | 15:56 |
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| TravT | you probably did | 15:56 |
| sjmc7 | ah, the try except | 15:56 |
| TravT | i was up until 1 AM writing angular code. | 15:56 |
| TravT | so maybe i missed it | 15:56 |
| sjmc7 | no , imust’ve not hit the reply button. i will reply, although i don’t think it was an issue, but have another look | 15:57 |
| TravT | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
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| TravT | anything else? | 15:57 |
| RickA-HP | Nothing from me. | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | i’m hungry | 15:57 |
| rosmaita | i need more coffed | 15:58 |
| rosmaita | *coffee | 15:58 |
| TravT | yeah, i'm on energy drinks again today | 15:58 |
| TravT | bad sign | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | you need to cut those out | 15:58 |
| rosmaita | i could be better coiffed, too | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | hahahaha | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | you’re always immaculately coiffed | 15:58 |
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| yingjun | nothing from me, i’m going to need some sleep now.. | 15:58 |
| TravT | allright friends, thanks for your time. | 15:59 |
| sjmc7 | :) g'night | 15:59 |
| sjmc7 | thanks folks | 15:59 |
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| rosmaita | bye! | 15:59 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 15:59:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-01-28-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-01-28-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-01-28-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: right on time | 16:00 |
| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 16:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda and rollcall | 16:00 |
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| palendae | o/ | 16:00 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:00 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 16:00 |
| prometheanfire | \/ | 16:00 |
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| spotz | \o/ | 16:00 |
| jmccrory | o/ | 16:00 |
| serverascode | o/ | 16:00 |
| hughsaunders | word | 16:01 |
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| automagically | 0/ | 16:01 |
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| mattt | \o | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | hughsaunders: sanders palabra | 16:04 |
| automagically | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | lol | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | :) thanks automagically | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | right, welcome everyone! | 16:04 |
| hughsaunders | cloudnull: I looked that up on UD last time | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | NSFW | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | Today we're going to discuss https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-multi-os-support specifically to try and break down the work | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | we'll focus on that for the first 30 mins, then move on to other topics | 16:05 |
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| prometheanfire | https://blog.flameeyes.eu/2013/03/autotools-mythbuster-automagically-disabled-dependencies | 16:05 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 16:05 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 16:05 |
| prometheanfire | that's what automagic means to me | 16:05 |
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| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: should we have a seperate etherpad for this pre-work? | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | prometheanfire I'd rather not - let's work on this for now and break it down more - then each stage can be broken out | 16:07 |
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| prometheanfire | ok | 16:07 |
| prometheanfire | so, I think we should target non-voting gates | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | ok, let me give a quick brakdown of the stages I think the work can be broken down into | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | the first is simply doing enablement in the existing roles | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | ie still supporting only ubuntu, but changing the tasks and variables in such a way that the flow caters for other platforms | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | an example of how this can be done is in https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/tests/roles/bootstrap-host/tasks/main.yml | 16:09 |
| automagically | +1 | 16:09 |
| prometheanfire | right | 16:10 |
| prometheanfire | I'd like to talk a little about pre-work even before osa work gets started | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | so, for example, the packages to install are separated into vars which are OS specific | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | eg: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/tests/roles/bootstrap-host/tasks/main.yml#L23-L30 and https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/tests/roles/bootstrap-host/vars/ubuntu.yml | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | prometheanfire what sort of work do you mean? | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | I'm also for the idea of adding in a NV gate for a given OS that we want to support regardless if the project supports it at that time . we can then work on getting that test to pass. | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | its more load on the gate but sets a direction of the project for the given cycle | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | please use the etherpad to add items under the 'work breakdown' section | 16:11 |
| prometheanfire | https://github.com/cloudnull/os-ansible-deployment/tree/master-rhel | 16:11 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: ok | 16:12 |
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| odyssey4me | note that prior art is already set in another section of the etherpad | 16:12 |
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| prometheanfire | disk-image-builder needs support for the given OS | 16:12 |
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| prometheanfire | along with the simple-init and growroot elements | 16:12 |
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| odyssey4me | and prior art is often outdated, so I really feel that it's useful for reference, but not necessarily something that should be copy-pasted | 16:12 |
| jiteka | mattt: thx | 16:12 |
| prometheanfire | glean needs support for your OS, which is an openstack-infra project | 16:13 |
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| odyssey4me | prometheanfire sure, but I think we need to be careful initially to leave that out of scope for the project - we should rather say that we can only add support for platforms which openstack-ci already has images for | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | ++ the master rhel stuff is a bit dated | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | if anyone wants to add additional images to openstack-ifra, that needs to be outside the scope of this work - at least to start with | 16:14 |
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| prometheanfire | most of the elements here need support for your OS https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/master/nodepool/elements along with support for installing actual packages from https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/other-requirements.txt | 16:14 |
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| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: it's outside the scope of this work but I think it should be mentioned so that people know where they need to start | 16:15 |
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| prometheanfire | once all that prework is done I feel we should add a non-voting gate-job even if it's just periodic | 16:15 |
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| odyssey4me | we can add an experimental job which can be kicked off on demand | 16:16 |
| prometheanfire | seperate from that, prep work can occur in OSA | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | it'll be non-voting, but will never kick off unless it's specifically requested | 16:16 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: that'd probably be best until it's somewhat workable | 16:16 |
| prometheanfire | once it's 'stable' periodic or primary gate job would be nice | 16:17 |
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| prometheanfire | but that can be discussed at a later time | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | once it's stable, then we switch it to a per commit non-voting job for a two week cycle | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | I also think with the role separation we can add support for various OS 's on a per role basis | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | if it proves stable through that phase, we switch it to voting | 16:18 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: agreed | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull++ | 16:18 |
| mattt | so we will be gating on every supported OS? is that the goal? | 16:18 |
| prometheanfire | cloudnull: yep | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | which means we can add additional OS testing on the same per role basis | 16:18 |
| mattt | kind of feels like we have enough challenges gating against ubuntu only | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | I think a good place to start will be in the roles that are already separated | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | mattt: no i hope not | 16:18 |
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| cloudnull | but i would like to see CentOS in the coming cycle | 16:19 |
| prometheanfire | for the remainder of this half hour I feel like we should specificly list out the OSA work needed | 16:19 |
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| mattt | cloudnull: i see value in centos, but i'm concerned when we start talking about fringe distros | 16:19 |
| palendae | mattt: I'd hope not too - IMO CentOS/RHEL is the broader target | 16:19 |
| prometheanfire | mainly spliting out vars/roles, mostly/only in the host side for the first pass | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull can you add that to the etherpad under 'platforms to target' ? | 16:19 |
| palendae | mattt: Yeah...I'd say if someone wants to try making PuppyLinux work, that's cool, but it's on them | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | prometheanfire can you please add next to each platform which already have openstack-ci images, and which don't | 16:20 |
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| odyssey4me | please add votes next to each platform indicating that you'd like to see it | 16:22 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: ok | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | the votes will determine the priority | 16:22 |
| prometheanfire | I will say gentoo is the one I'm activly working on | 16:22 |
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| prometheanfire | I want mitaka to be the last version of openstack I package | 16:22 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Maybe votes would be one you're willing to work on? | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae I'd rather have votes based on actual need/desire for the platform. ie do you want this for the purpose of a use-case you have | 16:23 |
| palendae | ok | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | not necessary some deployers are simply interested in the supportability of a different distro which would be nice for them to test if they dont want to or have the capacilty to work on the specific code | 16:24 |
| pabelanger | prometheanfire: what OS specifically are you looking for support in diskimage-builder? | 16:24 |
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| prometheanfire | pabelanger: gentoo, see the patches linked in the etherpad | 16:24 |
| pabelanger | ah | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | lol, better to add your own +1 to the platfor, not removing other votes | 16:24 |
| prometheanfire | I have basic support in already, but those patches are the rest | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | that way we can tell who wants what :p | 16:25 |
| automagically | Ah, I was the first offender there, my bad | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | ok - the voting can continue in time - the initial work actually doesn't relate directly to a platform | 16:25 |
| palendae | So evidently one person has voted +3 on centOS and Ubuntu ;) | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | if we do this right, hopefully each platform's differences will be minor | 16:25 |
| prometheanfire | I wonder who the fedora person was :P | 16:26 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: agreed | 16:26 |
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| prometheanfire | and to be clear, we are targeting host side first and only for now | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | well, let's chat about approaches here | 16:26 |
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| prometheanfire | does -1 mean your are going to sabotage it? | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | one way we can break this down is to consider focusing on multi-os enablement everywhere | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | and another could be to do something like enablement for compute/storage/swift nodes and ignore the control plane | 16:27 |
| mattt | prometheanfire: that was me, i'm strongly against fringe distros :) | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | another is to only do host stuff and leave the containers alone | 16:27 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: at least at first I'd like to just target host (which include compute/cinder/swift as they are metal) | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | personally I kind-of think that we can do it everywhere, and a deployer can choose where to apply it | 16:28 |
| palendae | prometheanfire: I was fedora, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:28 |
| logan- | can trusty containers run on vivid/systemd ubuntu? | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | I don't think this will add that much overhead, assuming we have people interested in assisting where a patch doesn't work on a different platform | 16:29 |
| prometheanfire | we can eventaully do it everywhere, supporting only host side is just about splitting up the work | 16:29 |
| oneswig | How would the baremetal flag affect this choice? | 16:29 |
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| mattt | oneswig: good question | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | prometheanfire sure, considering the currently broken out roles I think that it's largely going to start on the hosts anyway | 16:29 |
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| odyssey4me | oneswig yeah, I think this is going to create a bit of adventuring :) | 16:31 |
| prometheanfire | oneswig: I think that's something we will have to solve ongoing | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | logan-: yes they can , however i'd when we introduce new OS support i'd like to see about keeping the container images the same | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | so cent7 == cent7 containers etc... | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull sure, to start with at least | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | well, that's what we test with - if a deployer wants to mix and match then it's their choice | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | i would rather not have cent7 w/ trusty containers. | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | we have to limit our test matrix to be practical | 16:32 |
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| cloudnull | oneswig: what do you mean? | 16:32 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | oneswig prometheanfire I think the onmetal flag effect means that we will effectively have to do the enablement on everything | 16:33 |
| prometheanfire | where are containers sourced from again? | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | we can't really choose | 16:33 |
| oneswig | IIRC you can deploy OS-A without containers, which puts all into the host system. In this mode there's no separation | 16:33 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: ya, probably | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | prometheanfire: lxc templates | 16:33 |
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| odyssey4me | prometheanfire I'm working on a patch to make the image build more generic, which will make this work easier | 16:34 |
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| cloudnull | oneswig: yes . so i think if we introduce a new os all components need to support that os | 16:34 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, can we put some notes into the work breakdown about things we know will be different between OS's and OS versions | 16:34 |
| prometheanfire | so should we have a more generic gate job that tests onmetal for everything? | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | eg: init vs systemd | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | package names | 16:35 |
| oneswig | network interface management | 16:35 |
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| prometheanfire | oneswig: isn't that handled by iproute2? | 16:35 |
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| palendae | Probably more like /etc/network/ vs others | 16:36 |
| palendae | Where config files go | 16:36 |
| prometheanfire | we write to that? | 16:36 |
| prometheanfire | and config file format | 16:36 |
| oneswig | prometheanfire: not sure, I do some manual steps on systems for network config that are distro-specific | 16:36 |
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| odyssey4me | oneswig yeah, 'network configuration mechanisms' | 16:36 |
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| oneswig | I'm 3 weeks out of touch, wasn't this all in an etherpad? | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | oneswig https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-multi-os-support | 16:37 |
| palendae | oneswig: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-multi-os-support | 16:37 |
| oneswig | thx | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | we're recodring notes in there right now | 16:38 |
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| palendae | That pad existed, we're doing a work session to flesh out more details | 16:38 |
| oneswig | duh, really should arrive on time :-) | 16:38 |
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| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: so, for osa, first thing that needs done is spliting out 14.04 into OS specific roles | 16:41 |
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| michaelgugino | hello all | 16:41 |
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| spotz | hey | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | o/ michaelgugino | 16:42 |
| michaelgugino | sorry, I was stuck in a meeting. | 16:42 |
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| michaelgugino | meeting still in progress? | 16:43 |
| prometheanfire | ya, still working on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-multi-os-support | 16:43 |
| mattt | michaelgugino: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-multi-os-support | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | prometheanfire I don't think there needs to be OS specific roles at all | 16:44 |
| prometheanfire | roles was probably the wrong word :P | 16:44 |
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| odyssey4me | I think that we can use common roles, but do task inclusion splits for special tasks based on Ansible's knowledge of the target host | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | -1 for os specifc roles | 16:44 |
| prometheanfire | ya, that's what I meant | 16:45 |
| pabelanger | odyssey4me: do we have time to loop back to the ansible roles I am working on and seeing if adding them to this team is a good fit? | 16:45 |
| oneswig | If we set on Ansible 2.0 we get this http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/package_module.html | 16:45 |
| automagically | Not sure if its been mentioned but do we need to account for multiple OSes on the control host? | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | ok, so how do we break this down into small enough parts | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | pabelanger it looks like we'll be quite busy with this until the close of the meeting | 16:46 |
| mattt | oneswig: yay! | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | pabelanger can you add it to the next meeting's agenda please? | 16:46 |
| pabelanger | odyssey4me: sure | 16:46 |
| palendae | oneswig: Yeah - the trick is moving to ansible 2.0 along with openstack services AND OS versions | 16:46 |
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| oneswig | that's quite a trick | 16:47 |
| palendae | Indeed | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | thus endith the trick ! :) | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | oneswig palendae I'm not entirely a fan of trying to wedge Ansible 2 stuff into this cycle | 16:47 |
| palendae | oneswig: Nor am I | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | and I think that this work will probably be done in this cycle and the next | 16:47 |
| palendae | Er, odyssey4me | 16:47 |
| michaelgugino | ansible 2 is a big effort, I would think. | 16:47 |
| palendae | But that'll be the hurdle no matter when it happens | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | so I'm keen to work on what we can with Ansible 1.9x in this cycle, then look an Ansible 2 stuff next cycle | 16:48 |
| michaelgugino | I'd rather backport/reimplement the package module from ansible 2 and include it as a plugin, if necessary. | 16:48 |
| prometheanfire | I'm not saying any of this should target this cycle :P | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | thanks to the efforts of jmccrory we're there i believe (or almost at least) to be ansible to compatible | 16:48 |
| palendae | Yeah - I'm not advocating ansible 2.0 right now. Just pointing out the migration will be concurrent with lots of other things | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | I'm not entirely sure that the Ansible 2 install module gives us all that much - this is a simple enough pattern to apply: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/tests/roles/bootstrap-host/tasks/main.yml#L41-L46 | 16:49 |
| pabelanger | palendae: I am running into some problems with 2.0, breakages in general. Just an FYI when porting upwards | 16:49 |
| palendae | pabelanger: Right | 16:49 |
| palendae | Anyway, that's all a digression | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, so we can break down this work into per-role work, but also into the layers | 16:50 |
| mattt | i like per role, because that means we cna start gating those on different distros pretty much immediately | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | first we focus on simply changing our tasks so that they don't assume Ubuntu and apt everywhere | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | and yes, mattt, I think the work should start in the already broken out roles | 16:50 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: I added next steps down below | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me mattt +1 | 16:51 |
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| odyssey4me | prometheanfire ah, under 'next steps. | 16:51 |
| jmccrory | going with the var file per os pattern? | 16:51 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 16:51 |
| prometheanfire | I'm trying to get a task list for myself | 16:51 |
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| prometheanfire | so I know what to work on | 16:51 |
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| odyssey4me | jmccrory we know it works - are there other options? | 16:52 |
| jmccrory | no, i think that looks like a good option | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | i believe we can do conditional includes of var files from the vars/main.yml | 16:53 |
| prometheanfire | cloudnull: it is possibly but the code looked hairy last time I looked | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | can we allocate people to do the next steps on a specified role - I'm thinking that we can perhaps allow the freedom to choose any method that makes sense as a Spike, then compare when the test is in review? | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | if it works, then we wont have to use the var load module which comes with its own quirks | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | ie we have someone work on the galera role, and someone else on the rabbit role - then we compare notes and discuss how much we like the options/methods implemented? | 16:55 |
| prometheanfire | cloudnull: true | 16:55 |
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| michaelgugino | I like that idea odyssey | 16:55 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: that sounds good | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | +1 | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino will you have time to tackle one? | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | it seems like prometheanfire would like to tackle the other? | 16:56 |
| michaelgugino | yes, I have time tomorrow and next week | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | any volunteers to tackle a third? the more variety we have, the better the spike | 16:56 |
| michaelgugino | I'm working on DVR changes, and I'm waiting on some input from my network eng/neutron eng, so that's at a standstill for now. | 16:56 |
| prometheanfire | I could do either, it would most likely be me working on it next week | 16:56 |
| prometheanfire | though maybe over the weekend | 16:57 |
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| odyssey4me | and what work do we start with for this spike? | 16:57 |
| mattt | galera has a dependency on some other stuff | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | just the package installs, or do you think systemd support could be fit in? | 16:58 |
| mattt | so perhaps not the right place to start? | 16:58 |
| mattt | cloudnull: what is the base role that we would need to work? | 16:58 |
| cloudnull | maybe rabbitmq | 16:58 |
| mattt | i'm thinking apt_package_pinning etc. | 16:58 |
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| cloudnull | maybe lxc-hosts | 16:59 |
| palendae | Hm | 16:59 |
| palendae | Maybe I should get my dependency graphs made | 16:59 |
| palendae | Where did I put those last time.. | 16:59 |
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| cloudnull | thats a complex role but is very integral in supporting everything else | 16:59 |
| mattt | ok i think i misunderstood goal here | 16:59 |
| jmccrory | memcached_server looks easy enough | 17:00 |
| odyssey4me | well, considering that the current focus is just to establish a pattern - the dependent roles will largely be irrelevant I think | 17:00 |
| mattt | i thought we were going to wedge another distro in immediately, but that's not correct | 17:00 |
| odyssey4me | for systemd support work that won't be true | 17:00 |
| prometheanfire | palendae: that would be nice for this | 17:00 |
| palendae | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1887128/osa.png | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | cathy_: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:00 |
| palendae | That's a little dated, I will try to get a doc patch in that builds the dep list | 17:00 |
| odyssey4me | ooh sorry cathy_ - we'll vacate | 17:00 |
| odyssey4me | move to #openstack-ansible | 17:00 |
| cloudnull | cheers | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | odyssey4me: thanks! | 17:00 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| prometheanfire | cya | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 17:00:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2016/openstack_ansible_meeting.2016-01-28-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2016/openstack_ansible_meeting.2016-01-28-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2016/openstack_ansible_meeting.2016-01-28-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 17:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:01 |
| pcarver | hello | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: hi | 17:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:01 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: hi | 17:01 |
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| hdaniel | hi | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | hdaniel: hi | 17:01 |
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| cathy_ | any specific topic you have in mind? | 17:01 |
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| mohankumar | Hi | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: hi | 17:02 |
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| hdaniel | congradulations on the v1.0.0 drop :) | 17:03 |
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| cathy_ | hdaniel: yes! | 17:03 |
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| cathy_ | This is the mitaka code based release. | 17:04 |
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| cathy_ | We are thinking about releasing a liberty code based release. With some minor code change, we can do that | 17:04 |
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| cathy_ | I think we need to pull another liberty code based branch. | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | Swami: hi | 17:05 |
| Swami | cathy_: hi | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | It seems we can not pull the branch ourselves. Anyone knows whom we should ask to pull that branch? release team? | 17:06 |
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| cathy_ | I mean the same release team who help us do the release? | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | Swami: do you know this? | 17:07 |
| Swami | cathy_: no I am not aware about it. check with armax or HenryG | 17:07 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ , not understanding the context , why not on top of stable-liberty ? | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: what I mean is on top of stable liberty? But we need to pull a networking-sfc branch to do that liberty code base release, right? | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | Swami: Ok, thanks | 17:09 |
| HenryG | For release management and requests, mestery is the one to talk to | 17:09 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ : okay got it | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | HenryG: OK, will try mestery again. Thanks! | 17:10 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: we have the patch merged, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271101/, but it does not show up in networking-sfc document link page http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-sfc/ . Do you know why? what is missing in the commit? | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | prithiv: hi | 17:12 |
| prithiv | Hi cathy | 17:12 |
| pcarver | cathy_: I don't know but I'll look | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: thanks. If I remember correctly, this issue happened before to you. Then you fix something. Anyway let's sync up offline on this. | 17:13 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: or if you can take a look at it now and let us know, that will be great. | 17:14 |
| pcarver | cathy_: looking now, but if it's not obvious I'll let you know later | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: thanks! | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: now that the networking-sfc first version is released, I think networking-sfc on ONOS can be released next, what do you think? How is the ONOS work going? | 17:16 |
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| prithiv | i have few concerns about the setup, and couple of issues as well… i will sync up with everyone through email | 17:16 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ , any date you targeting ? | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: not really. Just would like to have an idea. | 17:17 |
| mohankumar | ONOS work is going good ... we tested code changes locally also | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | prithiv: OK, sure. | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: good! | 17:18 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ : we can sync-up some time offline and disscuss about ONOS release plan | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: Ok, sure. | 17:19 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ : thanks ! | 17:19 |
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| cathy_ | that's all from my side. | 17:21 |
| cathy_ | I would encourage that everyone download the released code and set up different testing scenarios and submit bugs on the project launchpad link. | 17:22 |
| s3wong | +1 | 17:23 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ : ok | 17:23 |
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| raofei | I have a suggestion that is to enhance the integration test with tempest. | 17:24 |
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| cathy_ | raofei: good suggestion! | 17:24 |
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| cathy_ | anyone would like to take that work or help with that work? | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: ? :-) | 17:26 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ : i can help ! | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: thanks. | 17:26 |
| pcarver | cathy_: I'll need to take a look at the docs publishing later. I'm heading to the airport shortly. | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: sure, when are you going to be on land so that I can ping you? | 17:27 |
| pcarver | It does look like the formatting in the RST may be off though. You can look at the pre-rendered version from Jenkins: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/01/271101/2/gate/gate-networking-sfc-docs/28a4796//doc/build/html/ | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: We have started working on the tempest tests, but more help is welcome! | 17:28 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ , please let me know the work items | 17:28 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ , i can take some parts | 17:29 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: around 1800 EST, but I don't know how long to get a rental car and get to the hotel. Probably won't get to it before 1930 EST at least | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: Ok, don't quite get the point about formatting. | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: Oh, got it | 17:30 |
| pcarver | I don't know if the formatting is related to it not getting published, though. Could be totally unrelated. | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: so pre-rendered version has it, but in wrong format. The final rendered version does not have it, right? | 17:30 |
| pcarver | cathy_: right | 17:30 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: I will ask Xiaodong to try to correct the format to see if it works. Will ping you later if it does not work. Could you send me a link to your previous patch that update the document if you have time? I can not find it somehow. | 17:32 |
| pcarver | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225254/ | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: Thanks. | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | anyone has any more topic? If not, we can end the meeting early today. | 17:34 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: have a nice trip! | 17:35 |
| pcarver | cathy_: thanks | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | Let's count | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | 5 | 17:35 |
| mohankumar | cathy_: nothing from my side | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | 4 | 17:35 |
| mohankumar | 4 | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: :-) | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | 3 | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | 2 | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | 1 | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | bye everyone | 17:35 |
| mohankumar | bye | 17:36 |
| hdaniel | bye | 17:36 |
| mohankumar | exit | 17:36 |
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| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 17:36:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-01-28-17.01.html | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-01-28-17.01.txt | 17:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-01-28-17.01.log.html | 17:36 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting diversity | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 18:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' | 18:00 |
| eglute | hello everyone, raise your hand o/ if you are here for diversity meeting | 18:00 |
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| eglute | Etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.20 | 18:01 |
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| bryan_att | hi, it's Bryan here for the meeting | 18:01 |
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| eglute | hello bryan_att! | 18:01 |
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| barrett1 | Hi Eglute, I'm back!! | 18:02 |
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| bryan_att | eglute: hi! | 18:02 |
| eglute | hello barrett1! glad to have you back! | 18:02 |
| barrett1 | eglute: Thanks! | 18:02 |
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| eglute | so far, look like there are only 3 of us | 18:02 |
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| barrett1 | eglute: Has attendance been light since the 1st of the year? | 18:03 |
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| eglute | yes, we had a low turn out two weeks ago | 18:04 |
| eglute | and the one at 05:00 UTC last week didnt happen because of no shows | 18:04 |
| eglute | i think you still need to remove the calendar recurrence | 18:05 |
| eglute | now it is on wrong days | 18:05 |
| eglute | so that could cause some confusion | 18:05 |
| bryan_att | I planned to attend the earlier meetings but travel was heavy this month | 18:05 |
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| eglute | very glad to have you bryan_att | 18:05 |
| barrett1 | OK will clean that up! Should I remove all of the ones I sent out? | 18:05 |
| eglute | yes please | 18:06 |
| bryan_att | eglute: thanks, glad to be here | 18:06 |
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| Nithyaruff | Joining from WOS | 18:06 |
| eglute | welcome Nithyaruff! | 18:06 |
| Nithyaruff | Thank you. Made it | 18:06 |
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| eglute | last meeting we had a really good discussion about trying to increase diversity at the summits | 18:06 |
| Nithyaruff | I can give a brief update on what the WOS group is planning | 18:07 |
| eglute | but the foundation staff is in offsite this week, so have not gotten an update from them | 18:07 |
| eglute | Nithyaruff that would be great! | 18:07 |
| eglute | please do! | 18:07 |
| Nithyaruff | The WOS group has been meeting every 2 weeks. We have 4 main things planned. 1. Day before summit - workshops and reception one on male allies and one on command presence | 18:08 |
| Nithyaruff | 2. During the summit - Breakfast meeting with lightening talks and brainstorming as in previous summits | 18:08 |
| Nithyaruff | 3. Encouraging more women to speak - we have at least 2-3 panels submitted | 18:09 |
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| Nithyaruff | 4. Providing space such as a room for women to meet. Creating a logo so new people to OS can spot a WOS member and know to ask for help or mentorships. We are also planning speed mentoring | 18:10 |
| eglute | That all sounds really good. How many people would be able to attend the workshops before the summit? i know there was a workshop last year as well, with limited availability. | 18:10 |
| eglute | I really like #4 | 18:10 |
| Nithyaruff | We are planning for 20-25 people for the male allies workshop and 15-20 for command performance | 18:11 |
| eglute | we are also asking foundation for some incentives for companies to actually bring more diversity to the summit. | 18:11 |
| Nithyaruff | We had some glitches with the workshops last time and are learning from that to allow more participation and also to publicize it broadly | 18:11 |
| Nithyaruff | I like the incentives! | 18:12 |
| eglute | right now, usually only more senior people get to go, which can really limit the diversity | 18:12 |
| eglute | I hope to hear back from foundation next week regarding what ideas they have. I know they are always really busy, but hopefully we are asking early enough | 18:12 |
| Nithyaruff | agree. Perhaps more funding of outreachy scholorships, and sending their college hires etc. | 18:12 |
| gothicmindfood | those are all really awesome plans. eglute: yay incentives! what do those look like? I was wondering if there might be a specific travel fund set aside for women at companies where they might be unwilling to spring for travel for junior folks | 18:13 |
| bryan_att | one thing we are doing which has a side benefit of possibly increasing diversity at the summits is to encourage our dev leads to submit talk proposals, which helps defray the costs if they get accepted | 18:13 |
| eglute | gothicmindfood: we had some suggestions, but really asked the foundation staff what would be doable. for example, booth flare for most diverse company and similar | 18:13 |
| Nithyaruff | We are also working with Claire and the foundation on funding for the workshops, room, branding effort etc. They are busy but very willing. | 18:14 |
| gothicmindfood | there was brief discussion at the last summit about the potential for having childcare available onsite - does anyone know whether that's possible? | 18:14 |
| eglute | also, foundation has committed to double the travel assistance to the summits this year | 18:14 |
| gothicmindfood | eglute: oh cool! all of that sounds awesome. | 18:14 |
| Nithyaruff | nice on the travel assistance | 18:14 |
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| Nithyaruff | Talking to some diversity experts, they recommended training for panels and moderators of diverse panels so they know how to model inclusive behavior on stage. | 18:15 |
| eglute | bryan_att: yes, submitting talks helps! also, if they are ATC they get free passes. However, passes are usually the cheapest part of the summit, if they have to pay for one. | 18:15 |
| gothicmindfood | Nithyaruff: ++ - it would be *awesome* if diversity of panels was part of selection criteria for them | 18:15 |
| eglute | I heard of people not going even if they are ATC and have free passes. this is where encouraging companies to bring them would help | 18:16 |
| Nithyaruff | Agree. If each panel makes a concious effort to have one or more diverse members, that will go a long way | 18:16 |
| eglute | regarding selecting talks: it is not too late. submissions end on February 1st, and then the selections begin | 18:17 |
| barrett1 | Given the submission deadline on Monday, there would need to be a communication out the community on this ASAP. | 18:17 |
| Nithyaruff | To the broader OS community right? | 18:18 |
| eglute | right, that might be too late. not fair to those who already submitted | 18:18 |
| barrett1 | Nithyaruff: Yes | 18:18 |
| Nithyaruff | But perhaps the chairs can give add consideration to diverse panels | 18:18 |
| barrett1 | eglute: They could revise their proposal. If this is going to be a criteria that track chairs are going to consider, then it should be communicated to all | 18:19 |
| eglute | Nithyaruff I could send that request to the track chairs | 18:19 |
| Nithyaruff | thank you eglute. | 18:19 |
| eglute | #action eglute to send a request to track chairs to consider diverse panels | 18:20 |
| gothicmindfood | while I'd *love* it if it were official criteria, maybe given how late we are on the process, this is just a good thing to bring up on the mailing list as a thought exercise - something where we can be aware of it during this selection process, but maybe formalize it a bit more for Barcelona? | 18:20 |
| Nithyaruff | I have submitted a talk on multiple ways people contribute to OS highlighting documentation, marketing, legal and community managers. | 18:20 |
| Nithyaruff | Another form of diversity | 18:20 |
| eglute | gothicmindfood would you mind sending out such an email? | 18:21 |
| barrett1 | Nithyaruff: Sounds like a good session! | 18:21 |
| gothicmindfood | Nithyaruff: ++ that sounds like an awesome talk! | 18:21 |
| gothicmindfood | eglute: I'd love to! :) | 18:21 |
| Nithyaruff | thank you. | 18:21 |
| eglute | Nithyaruff indeed, great ideas! | 18:21 |
| eglute | thank you gothicmindfood! | 18:21 |
| Nithyaruff | one of us from the WOS can come back periodically and update you all on progress. Thank you for including us here | 18:22 |
| eglute | Nithyaruff, you said earlier: " Talking to some diversity experts, they recommended training for panels and moderators of diverse panels so they know how to model inclusive behavior on stage." | 18:22 |
| eglute | can you tell us more about htat? | 18:22 |
| eglute | Nithyaruff so happy to have you here! | 18:22 |
| eglute | did you have in mind training before summits, perhaps webcast? | 18:23 |
| Nithyaruff | yes. they feel that people learn from how people behave on stage. So if a man on stage talks over a women's points, or dismisses it or does not listen or she does not get time to speak, it says that behaviour is ok. | 18:23 |
| Nithyaruff | so modeling good listening, respect for each other and attributing all speakers is the right way | 18:23 |
| eglute | i heard that feedback as well before, unfortunately. :( | 18:24 |
| eglute | does WOS have any ideas who could do a webcast or similar for this kind of training? | 18:24 |
| Nithyaruff | and we need to empower women speakers to use their voice and be heard | 18:24 |
| Nithyaruff | we are working with NCWIT and other groups to find some training | 18:24 |
| eglute | NCWIT is great resource | 18:24 |
| Nithyaruff | yes. They are our goto now for the male allies workshop | 18:25 |
| Nithyaruff | IBM used them and Jessica is happy with the work they did for IBM | 18:25 |
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| eglute | depends on the length of the training, would be good to ask all speakers to watch that training... probably for Barcelona though | 18:26 |
| Nithyaruff | yes, that would be ideal for all speakers to go thru an online webinar as a condition of their speaking code of conduct. :-) | 18:27 |
| eglute | +1 i would love to see that. | 18:27 |
| Nithyaruff | Is there an etherpad to park Barcelona ideas? As some may not be possible for Austin? | 18:27 |
| eglute | no, not yet... but we can create one :) | 18:28 |
| Nithyaruff | great. Kind of a diversity roadmap | 18:28 |
| eglute | #action eglute start etherpad/wiki and link from Diversity wiki to ideas that take a long time to implement so they are ready for Barcelona | 18:29 |
| barrett1 | That's a great idea! | 18:29 |
| eglute | the other outstanding item that we had on the agenda was code of conduct. I have not gotten an update from the foundation yet | 18:29 |
| Nithyaruff | I am afraid I need to run but will make every attempt to be here again. | 18:30 |
| eglute | thank you Nithyaruff!! | 18:30 |
| Nithyaruff | Thank you | 18:30 |
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| eglute | I don't have updates on anything else. | 18:30 |
| eglute | Time for open discussion or end meeting? | 18:31 |
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| gothicmindfood | I don't have anything else. :) | 18:31 |
| barrett1 | Nothing from me | 18:31 |
| bryan_att | Just a quick note, I'm working on the Windows user guide for git/Gerrit etc | 18:31 |
| eglute | bryan_att i think that is badly needed! thank you | 18:32 |
| bryan_att | I can present during a lunch in Austin | 18:32 |
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| eglute | bryan_att i think that would be good! since WOS is organizing that event, do you need help scheduling? | 18:32 |
| barrett1 | bryan_att: That would be great, are you hooked in with the WOS folks? | 18:32 |
| * rockyg sneaks in late | 18:33 | |
| eglute | spotz would be a good person to talk to about scheduling | 18:33 |
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| eglute | spotz could not be here today, but she usually attends both diversity and WOS metings | 18:33 |
| bryan_att | Just to know where and when, and to send a draft to someone to review as needed | 18:33 |
| eglute | hello rockyg! | 18:33 |
| eglute | if you send me your email, i will connect you with spots | 18:33 |
| eglute | with spotz | 18:33 |
| rockyg | Hi everybody! Still getting used to the times of this meeting.... | 18:34 |
| eglute | rockyg we are working on straightening out the schedule. | 18:34 |
| barrett1 | bryan_att: You could send to the Women of OpenStack mailing list | 18:34 |
| barrett1 | Hi RockyG | 18:34 |
| bryan_att | Ok, will do | 18:34 |
| eglute | i have a patch for official calendar update that infra has ignored for a few days | 18:35 |
| rockyg | barrett1, ++ | 18:35 |
| rockyg | eglute, Ah. Got it. | 18:35 |
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| barrett1 | eglute: Is the meeting info on the Diversity wiki page up to date? | 18:36 |
| eglute | yes | 18:36 |
| eglute | calendar details are not, pending merge | 18:36 |
| rockyg | do you have the review link? Just pinged infra | 18:36 |
| eglute | yeah, i pinged them last night and this morning too | 18:37 |
| eglute | both times ignored :) | 18:37 |
| rockyg | really quiet over there right now. Hmmm. | 18:38 |
| eglute | someone responded :) | 18:39 |
| rockyg | Yup Just thanked them (after your thanks) | 18:39 |
| rockyg | So, we still on the WOS event or moving on? | 18:39 |
| eglute | we moved on :) | 18:39 |
| eglute | it was just open discussion right now | 18:40 |
| rockyg | Ah. Thanks. | 18:40 |
| rockyg | Boy. I missed the whole meeting! | 18:40 |
| eglute | if anyone has any suggestions/requests for 2016 might be a good time to share :) | 18:40 |
| eglute | if not, we can end early! | 18:40 |
| eglute | thanks everyone for joining! | 18:41 |
| barrett1 | Sounds good to me. | 18:42 |
| barrett1 | Bye | 18:42 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 18:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 18:42:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity/2016/diversity.2016-01-28-18.00.html | 18:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity/2016/diversity.2016-01-28-18.00.txt | 18:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity/2016/diversity.2016-01-28-18.00.log.html | 18:42 |
| rockyg | Bye! | 18:42 |
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