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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| acabot | hi | 14:00 |
| sballe | o/ | 14:01 |
| jwcroppe | o/ | 14:01 |
| vtech | o/ | 14:01 |
| brunograz | hi | 14:01 |
| jed56 | hello | 14:01 |
| dtardivel | hi | 14:01 |
| seanmurphy | hi guys | 14:01 |
| tpeoples | \o | 14:01 |
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| acabot | our agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#01.2F27.2F2016 | 14:01 |
| gzhai | hi | 14:01 |
| tkaczynski | hello | 14:01 |
| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
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| acabot | #info mitaka-2 version of Watcher has been released on monday | 14:02 |
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| acabot | #info with 9 BPs implemented and 37 bugs fixed | 14:02 |
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| acabot | thank you everyone for this great job | 14:03 |
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| acabot | we now have an idea of how many BPs we can manage during a serie | 14:03 |
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| * edleafe rushes in late... | 14:03 | |
| acabot | #info target is now mitaka-3 scheduled for 3rd of March | 14:04 |
| acabot | #info gzhai is now INTEL core contrib on Watcher | 14:04 |
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| acabot | any other announcement ? | 14:04 |
| sballe | acabot: +1 | 14:04 |
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| acabot | #topic Review Actions Items | 14:05 |
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| acabot | seanmurphy has shared specs for ZHAW algo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271028/ | 14:05 |
| acabot | and is looking for reviews | 14:06 |
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| seanmurphy | thanks acabot | 14:06 |
| jwcroppe | I'll review | 14:06 |
| acabot | did you guys start implementing ? | 14:06 |
| seanmurphy | thanks jwcroppe | 14:06 |
| seanmurphy | not yet but soon | 14:06 |
| sballe | same here | 14:06 |
| seanmurphy | have been v busy with other commitments | 14:06 |
| acabot | #action jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271028/ | 14:06 |
| seanmurphy | into the next week or so | 14:06 |
| seanmurphy | but have been looking at the basic_consolidation example | 14:07 |
| acabot | #action sballe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271028/ | 14:07 |
| jed56 | seanmurphy you can maybe improve basic_consolidation implementation | 14:07 |
| acabot | vtech seanmurphy : is the doc clear enough ? | 14:07 |
| seanmurphy | jed56 - we can certainly try | 14:07 |
| acabot | do not hesitate to give us feedback to improve the doc | 14:07 |
| jed56 | it seem that what you want to do is near | 14:08 |
| acabot | yes jed56 suggest that you improve basic consolidation instead of building a new strategy | 14:08 |
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| seanmurphy | ok - that could work | 14:09 |
| tpeoples | yeah seems like the two are trying to do the same thing | 14:09 |
| tpeoples | will take a closer look at the spec | 14:09 |
| seanmurphy | so - it prob looks like we should have offline discussion on it | 14:09 |
| seanmurphy | and perhaps it could be an option | 14:09 |
| acabot | ok lets talk on irc before starting implementing a new strategy | 14:09 |
| jed56 | if you prefer we can remove the current implementation she was here only for test | 14:09 |
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| seanmurphy | ok | 14:10 |
| seanmurphy | all good with us | 14:10 |
| acabot | ok | 14:10 |
| sballe | seanmurphy: that migth be faster for yu too since you have all the plumbing in place already | 14:11 |
| seanmurphy | sballe: yep - good point | 14:11 |
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| vtech | IMO It would be nice to keep both and see how they performs | 14:11 |
| vincentfrancoise | that would imply having the efficacy indicator then | 14:12 |
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| acabot | vtech: in this case do not hesitate to get the plumbing from basic_consolidation | 14:12 |
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| acabot | yes it could be a good way to test the efficacy indicator | 14:13 |
| acabot | when it will be implemented | 14:13 |
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| acabot | vmahe is working on specs for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/define-the-audit-scope | 14:13 |
| sballe | what the ETA on the efficacy indicator | 14:14 |
| sballe | oh you answred my questn :) | 14:14 |
| acabot | sballe: the review is open but I need to add work items... I planned to do it this morning but ran out of time, I hope to have it by EOW | 14:14 |
| sballe | no rush... I know how time slips away | 14:15 |
| vtech | cool | 14:15 |
| acabot | we need a status for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-overload-underload but I dont think alexstav is here | 14:15 |
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| acabot | a patch from jed56 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270642/) needs review | 14:16 |
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| tpeoples | #action tpeoples review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270642/ | 14:16 |
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| acabot | #info jed56 added Voluptuous lib to validate action parameters | 14:17 |
| acabot | #info vincentfrancoise is adding tempest scenarios | 14:17 |
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| acabot | #info tpeoples added global requirements | 14:18 |
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| acabot | and needs review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269310/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269296/ | 14:18 |
| tpeoples | we need to get that merged before i can propose watcher to openstack/requirements.. +1 | 14:18 |
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| acabot | can we merge this by EOW ? | 14:19 |
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| jed56 | +2 | 14:19 |
| jed56 | I will take a look | 14:20 |
| jed56 | today | 14:20 |
| tpeoples | thanks jed56 | 14:20 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269310/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269296/ | 14:20 |
| acabot | #action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269310/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269296/ | 14:20 |
| jed56 | welcome :) | 14:20 |
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| dtardivel | tpeoples: there is an issue with olso.messaging 4.0.0 : we habe error on watcher.conf.sample generation | 14:20 |
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| tpeoples | ok, can you give me details on the review? | 14:21 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: no error with 3.1.0 previous version | 14:21 |
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| dtardivel | tpeoples: yes, of course | 14:21 |
| tpeoples | thanks | 14:21 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel give details about oslo.messaging 4.0.0 error | 14:22 |
| acabot | tpeoples : regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270039/ I moved it to mitaka-3 as we need to do more testing | 14:22 |
| tpeoples | +1 | 14:22 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:22 |
| acabot | #info reviews are needed for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270039/ | 14:23 |
| jwcroppe | +q | 14:23 |
| jwcroppe | +1 | 14:23 |
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| dtardivel | acabot: review ongoing in our side | 14:24 |
| acabot | ok | 14:24 |
| acabot | #info tpeoples shared devstack plugin on openstack-dev ML | 14:24 |
| acabot | any other action items you want to share ? | 14:25 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:25 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: what about your last bug about devstack doc #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1538291 | 14:25 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1538291 in watcher "Improve DevStack documentation" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Taylor Peoples (tpeoples) | 14:25 |
| tpeoples | dtardivel: i am going to update the docs to explain how to set up devstack from nothing | 14:26 |
| tpeoples | instead of just telling them to use the plugin | 14:26 |
| sballe | acabot: junjie and gzhai submitted some bps that we would like to start working n now | 14:26 |
| vincentfrancoise | tpeoples: +1 | 14:26 |
| jed56 | +1000 | 14:26 |
| tpeoples | that way someone with no devstack experience should be able to set it up | 14:26 |
| acabot | sballe: yes this is something I'd like to discuss | 14:26 |
| acabot | +1 | 14:26 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: it is a request coming from openstack-dev ? | 14:27 |
| jed56 | our PhD will be able to run devstack ! | 14:27 |
| tpeoples | no, just from me :) | 14:27 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: ok :) | 14:27 |
| sballe | +1 n devsack | 14:27 |
| sballe | devstack :) | 14:27 |
| acabot | so we have many new BPs that we will prioritize next week during our mid-cycle | 14:28 |
| sballe | perfect | 14:28 |
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| acabot | please submit BPs before EOW if you want to have them included in mitaka-3 | 14:28 |
| gzhai | just BP, not spec, right? | 14:28 |
| sballe | I believe mritika created a bp too around fingerprinting. I will follow up with her to make sure I know what she is doing | 14:28 |
| tpeoples | #info submit BPs before EOW if you want to have them included in mitaka-3 | 14:28 |
| acabot | gzhai: could you give us a quick overview of the 3 BPs you submitted ? | 14:29 |
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| jed56 | sballe cool | 14:29 |
| sballe | gzhai: I would suggest we start on the spec as well in parallel taht way we will be closer to be able to start implementing | 14:29 |
| acabot | tpeoples: thx ;-) | 14:29 |
| gzhai | sballe: ok | 14:29 |
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| acabot | gzhai: yes BPs only | 14:30 |
| sballe | acabot: why not start on the spec for one of them? | 14:30 |
| gzhai | acabot: we will start from the BP of airflow. | 14:30 |
| acabot | sballe gzhai : yes of course, I just want to check that we have all BPs referenced before the mid-cycle | 14:31 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:31 |
| acabot | #info gzhai submited 3 new BPs for 3 new optimization strategies | 14:31 |
| gzhai | it check the airflows with power/temperature to see if something wrong or just high workload. | 14:32 |
| sballe | acabot: We are just startign the discussion around Watcher and TAP so I am hoping that we can move some of that work in as well as we get it defined. | 14:32 |
| acabot | sballe: sure this is something we will discuss next week | 14:32 |
| sballe | exactly. tkaczynski will be attending the summit as well as | 14:32 |
| tkaczynski | sballe it would be great, but we need quite a lot of discussion to get tothe same page | 14:33 |
| sballe | tkaczynski: I agree but I want to make sure we can make progress an d not have to sit and wait around until the next cycle if we have some work taht can be dne | 14:33 |
| sballe | but as acabot said we'll discuss next week | 14:34 |
| acabot | if tkaczynski and jed56 can have f2f discussion next week, no doubt it will lead to something ;-) | 14:34 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:34 |
| jed56 | +1 | 14:35 |
| tkaczynski | +1 | 14:35 |
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| acabot | tpeoples jwcroppe : any BPs you plan to add before the mid-cycle ? | 14:36 |
| acabot | same question for brunograz | 14:37 |
| tpeoples | acabot: will think about it, but i was planning on picking up some of the existing TBH | 14:37 |
| acabot | brunograz cdupont : you wont be able to attend the mid-cycle but do not hesitate to submit BPs | 14:37 |
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| sballe | acabot: maybe we can get remote access to brunograz and cdupont when we talk about bps. | 14:38 |
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| sballe | assumung they ae interested | 14:38 |
| acabot | sballe: yes sure, everything will be shared on an etherpad | 14:38 |
| sballe | that is true! I forgot | 14:39 |
| brunograz | acabot: yes sure | 14:39 |
| seanmurphy | brunograz and myself will be at a project meeting feb 2/3 | 14:39 |
| seanmurphy | we can try to be available but we will be a bit tied up | 14:39 |
| acabot | ok, I will share the etherpad link on the agenda page on tuesday | 14:40 |
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| acabot | should we keep our weekly meeting next week by the way ? | 14:40 |
| sballe | I think we should skip it since we have the meetup | 14:40 |
| tpeoples | vote for skip | 14:41 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:41 |
| brunograz | +1 | 14:41 |
| acabot | #info no meeting next week as most of the team will be at the mid-cycle meetup | 14:41 |
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| gzhai | +1 | 14:41 |
| acabot | cross-project liaison, sballe, did you see the action last week ? | 14:41 |
| sballe | briefly. | 14:42 |
| sballe | When was the meeting? | 14:42 |
| acabot | tpeoples suggested that we have a cross-project liaison | 14:42 |
| sballe | I saw that | 14:42 |
| acabot | for watcher | 14:42 |
| acabot | and we are looking for a very nice person to do it ;-) | 14:42 |
| sballe | I am hapy to take on taht role but need jwcroppe to be my backup when I travel and cannot attend | 14:43 |
| acabot | as the meeting is at 10pm french time I'm not sure to be able to attend | 14:43 |
| sballe | also I am a nice person so I fit the criteria :) | 14:43 |
| acabot | sballe: right :-D | 14:43 |
| jed56 | +1 | 14:43 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : what do you think as being the backup ? | 14:44 |
| sballe | as long as somebody can be a backup when I cannot attend I am cool with htis | 14:44 |
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| acabot | I can also be the backup of course | 14:44 |
| sballe | I am sure jwcroppe is fine with being the backyp | 14:45 |
| jwcroppe | acabot:+1 | 14:45 |
| jwcroppe | yes, that sounds good | 14:45 |
| sballe | acabot: sign me up and jwcroppe as backup | 14:45 |
| acabot | #action sballe start acting as the cross-projects liaison for Watcher (jwcroppe as backup) | 14:45 |
| acabot | #info final meetup agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_mitaka_mid-cycle_meetup_agenda#Agenda | 14:46 |
| acabot | we moved a couple of things from day 1 to 2 according to attendees presence | 14:46 |
| sballe | acabot: jut want to heck this is it right? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 14:46 |
| sballe | s/check | 14:46 |
| tpeoples | yes sballe | 14:47 |
| acabot | yes | 14:47 |
| sballe | thx | 14:47 |
| acabot | sballe: we will discuss mitaka priorities on day 1 so please send me an email about "your priorities" | 14:47 |
| sballe | will do | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | sballe: there is a list of CPLs on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons that i think you should add yourself to too | 14:48 |
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| acabot | we will probably adjust them on day 3 after 2 days of thinking... | 14:48 |
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| sballe | acabot: +1 | 14:48 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise: experimental jobs and how to be automatic, do you have info on that ? | 14:49 |
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| tpeoples | that was me | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | awesome work by vincentfrancoise on getting the tempest plugin working | 14:49 |
| acabot | yes but I know that vincentfrancoise looked at it | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | i think we should consider getting that running automagically | 14:50 |
| tpeoples | ok, cool | 14:50 |
| vincentfrancoise | well, whenever the last batch of tempest tests qet merged | 14:50 |
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| tpeoples | sounds good vincentfrancoise | 14:50 |
| vincentfrancoise | I will make a PS on project-config to make it automatic on the gate | 14:50 |
| vincentfrancoise | so probably by EOW | 14:51 |
| acabot | will it be a voting job automatically ? | 14:51 |
| vincentfrancoise | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272551/ | 14:51 |
| tpeoples | i think it should be voting tbh | 14:51 |
| acabot | tpeoples: +1 | 14:52 |
| vincentfrancoise | tpeoples: +1 will do | 14:52 |
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| acabot | #action vincent francoise set tempest test as a voting job on the gate | 14:53 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise set tempest test as a voting job on the gate | 14:53 |
| tpeoples | since there's nothing left on the agenda.. i have something random. should we include translation with every patchset, or do it all end of release? | 14:53 |
| tpeoples | internally, we do translation as an after thought with an automated tool | 14:54 |
| vincentfrancoise | with jed56, we decided to translate it in french as we go along | 14:54 |
| acabot | tpeoples : easier to maintain if its done on every PS IMO | 14:54 |
| jed56 | yes | 14:54 |
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| tpeoples | ok, that'll work for now but we may want to consider changing that in the future, but we'll save that discussion | 14:55 |
| acabot | tpeoples: but if we can run your tool just before releasing it could be great too | 14:55 |
| dtardivel | +1 | 14:55 |
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| vincentfrancoise | but it's the same with the sample file which we will eventually remove from the codebase | 14:56 |
| acabot | ok | 14:56 |
| jed56 | vincentfrancoise: we can remove the sample file i think and add some documentaiton | 14:56 |
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| acabot | jed56: you mean to help developers adding translation in the code ? | 14:57 |
| vincentfrancoise | jed56: dtardivel will make a wishlist bug on the matter anytime soon | 14:57 |
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| jed56 | acabot no | 14:57 |
| jed56 | watcher.conf.sample | 14:57 |
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| dtardivel | IMO, we will need to review translations just before the release to be sure all translated sentences are coherent | 14:58 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel add a wishlist bug to remove the sample file | 14:58 |
| sballe | +100 | 14:58 |
| acabot | dtardivel: ok | 14:58 |
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| tpeoples | +1 dtardivel, part of that automated preferably | 14:58 |
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| tpeoples | see some of you next week in austin | 14:59 |
| acabot | yes see u in Austin | 14:59 |
| acabot | bye | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:59 |
| dtardivel | bye | 14:59 |
| seanmurphy | bye! | 14:59 |
| sballe | bye see you next week | 14:59 |
| gzhai | bye | 14:59 |
| brunograz | bye | 14:59 |
| seanmurphy | have fun in TX! | 14:59 |
| jed56 | bye | 14:59 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| tkaczynski | bye | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 14:59:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-01-27-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-01-27-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-01-27-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| jasondotstar | #startmeeting vahana | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 15:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vahana' | 15:00 |
| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:00 | |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 15:00 |
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| jasondotstar | alone today it looks like, but for documentation purposes, I'll update the meeting channel. :-) | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduction (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:02 | |
| jasondotstar | Again, this is a friendly reminder that the OpenStack Vahana project | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | We're building an iOS-based solution for OpenStack, in the form of one or more frameworks for interacting with the OS API, and *possibly* front end app | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-mobile-ios-brainstorm | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | - Interested parties are encouraged to join the #openstack-vahana IRC channel | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Action Items for Last Meeting | 15:03 |
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| jasondotstar | #link: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-01-13-15.01.html | 15:03 |
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| jasondotstar | there was no meeting last week nothing notable to update | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | first one: | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to reach out to the user committee via the mailing list regarding the ops survey | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | so, I've booked travel plans to the Manchester Ops Summit to conduct a focus group on the importance of mobile | 15:05 |
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| jasondotstar | Thanks to piet and others who are helping to organize this for us. we'll get some answers on the direction we should take | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | we're also put a bid in to add a question to the user survey. yet to hear a response on this. | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | s/we're/we have/ | 15:07 |
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| jasondotstar | next: | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to report on public api testing with trystack | 15:08 |
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| jasondotstar | this one is quick - it works, but the 24 hour termination is concern | 15:09 |
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| jasondotstar | as we develop more of the code, we'll have to see how it works out | 15:09 |
| jasondotstar | last action item: | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to report on documenting a vahana/devstack local test environment | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | the plan is to start the documentation on it this week | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to continue reporting on the local dev documentation | 15:12 |
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| jasondotstar | also, there's a link to the brainstorming around crafting the focus group session as well: | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-mobile-interviews | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-mitaka-mobile-interviews <= CORRECTION | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | ok I'll finish up early here.... | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Open Discussion | 15:15 |
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| jasondotstar | anyone (out there) have comments/feedback/etc ? | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | bueller? :-) | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | ok, thanks for giving me the floor for 15mins. | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 15:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 15:17:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-01-27-15.00.html | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-01-27-15.00.txt | 15:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-01-27-15.00.log.html | 15:17 |
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| piet | Quick question | 15:30 |
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| piet | Hi jasondotstar | 15:30 |
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| jasondotstar | piet: hi there | 15:30 |
| jasondotstar | piet: shoot... | 15:31 |
| piet | Do you have a hadnful of operator/admins (~8) that would be interested in participating in an online interview? | 15:31 |
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| jasondotstar | piet: im sure we can solicit some | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | I don't have any | 15:32 |
| piet | We could do this stuff online and possibly be done before the summit | 15:32 |
| piet | something to think about | 15:32 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 16:29:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:29 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:29 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:29 | |
| britthouser | 0/ | 16:29 |
| mkoderer | o/ | 16:29 |
| rhallisey | hi | 16:29 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:30 |
| sdake | \o/ | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | \0/ | 16:30 |
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| unicell | o/ | 16:30 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:30 |
| nihilifer | o/ | 16:30 |
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| akwasnie | hi | 16:31 |
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| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:31 |
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| ajafo | o/ | 16:31 |
| sdake | #1. midcycle is february 9th and 10th. if you haven't rsvped, please do so ASAP | 16:31 |
| sdake | breakfast, lunch dinner provided the 9tih, breakfast lunch prvided the 10th, soda and coffee both days | 16:31 |
| sdake | so food is taken care of :) | 16:31 |
| britthouser | thanks! | 16:32 |
| sdake | #2. small token of appreciation from foundation | 16:32 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:32 |
| sdake | for all current and post core reviewers of Kolla (including harmw and daneyon) the foundation and HP have a small token of appreciation for your dutiy as a core reviewer | 16:32 |
| sdake | if your a core reviewer, please send me your mailing address and i'll send it out | 16:33 |
| pbourke | :) | 16:33 |
| elemoine | o/ | 16:33 |
| sdake | the smaall token of appreciation is not these: https://www.audeze.com/products/lcd-collection/lcd-4 | 16:33 |
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| sdake | but you will like it anyway | 16:33 |
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| sdake | even ify our in a different country i will sort out how to get it to you | 16:33 |
| sdake | say thanks to MarkAtwood | 16:34 |
| nihilifer | thank you MarkAtwood ;) | 16:34 |
| sdake | if you donif you dont want to share your home address, i will bring some to the midcycle if i havet hem in time | 16:34 |
| sdake | if not i will bring some to hte summit | 16:34 |
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| sdake | any announcements from the community? | 16:35 |
| pbourke | none here | 16:35 |
| Jeffrey4l | no | 16:36 |
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| sdake_ | one last thing, i am currently remodeling my house | 16:37 |
| sdake_ | i am nearly done, 1-2 weeks out | 16:37 |
| sdake_ | but i am a bit distracted by the contractors, so if i'm ailing you in any way let me know and i'll fix that up | 16:37 |
| sdake_ | i am also tkaing pto monday/tuesday pretty much unavailable all day | 16:37 |
| sdake_ | possiby wednesday as well | 16:37 |
| sdake_ | i'll syncup with rhallisey if he needs to run the wed meeting | 16:37 |
| sdake_ | but i can probably take a break for that | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | sdake, kk | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | #topic liberty 3 milestone review | 16:38 |
| inc0 | next meeting will be almost midcycle anyway | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | annoying | 16:38 |
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| Jeffrey4l | liberty? mitaka? | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | ok well i can't chane tpics because my nick is different | 16:38 |
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| sdake_ | Jeffrey4l huh? | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | rather mitaka 3 milestoen review | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | lols | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | sorry brain fart there :) | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | old and tired | 16:38 |
| kproskurin | :-D | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | :D | 16:38 |
| sdake_ | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 16:39 |
| sdake_ | please open that up | 16:39 |
| sdake_ | time boxed to 50 after | 16:39 |
| sdake_ | as you can see my begging and pleading with the core review team to tackle upgrades has partially worked | 16:40 |
| sdake_ | but I need m0ar help | 16:40 |
| sdake_ | if folks could take 1 regular service and 1 infrastructure service that would rock | 16:40 |
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| sdake_ | and we will come out of the midcycle with a plan for upgrading infrastructure services | 16:40 |
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| sdake | #topic mitaka-3 review | 16:41 |
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| Jeffrey4l | Upgrade Manila from Mitaka to Newton -> why we have this? Wrong description? | 16:41 |
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| sdake | jeff manilla only came about in mitaka | 16:42 |
| sdake | but we need to make sure database migrations work properly | 16:42 |
| mkoderer | "upgrade" means everything releated to a db schema update, right? | 16:42 |
| sdake | right | 16:42 |
| sdake | as well as applying configurtion changes | 16:42 |
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| mkoderer | sdake: k | 16:42 |
| sdake | the applying configuration changes i htink happens uatomatically | 16:42 |
| sdake | but inc0 woud know for sure | 16:42 |
| inc0 | it does | 16:43 |
| sdake | inc0 has got us kicked off with two kick-ass implemtntions - one simpe keystone nd one very ard nova | 16:43 |
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| inc0 | it overrides old confs with new | 16:43 |
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| sdake | ya we will have deploy and upgrade | 16:43 |
| sdake | no update | 16:43 |
| Jeffrey4l | But I am curiosity, puth the manilla here (midcycle 3) is properly? | 16:43 |
| sdake | manila needs to be able to handle a dtabase migration update | 16:44 |
| mkoderer | Jeffrey4l: where do we have manila? midcycle ehterpad? | 16:44 |
| sdake | i dont even know if manila works, haven't tried it | 16:44 |
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| mkoderer | sdake: the container builds | 16:44 |
| sdake | also root drop needs some love | 16:44 |
| mkoderer | ansible isn't ready yet | 16:44 |
| sdake | we hav edone about 25 of the todos | 16:44 |
| sdake | but 5 remain | 16:44 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/upgrade-manila here, the target is m3 | 16:44 |
| sdake | if some folks could pick up 1 or 2, i'd like to finish tht out before mitaka | 16:44 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l yes that is correct | 16:45 |
| sdake | m3 is march 4th | 16:45 |
| sdake | i expect manila will be functional prior to then | 16:45 |
| mkoderer | without manila support upgrading makes no sense :) | 16:45 |
| sdake | anyone have any blueprints they wish to bring attention now that my begging is done :) | 16:45 |
| sdake | manila is implemented | 16:45 |
| sdake | playbooks i think are in review or impemented | 16:45 |
| Jeffrey4l | But the description is "Upgrade Manila from Mitaka to Newton", there is no Newton version before m3 | 16:46 |
| mkoderer | sdake: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269688/ | 16:46 |
| sdake | manila less priority then others | 16:46 |
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| unicell | quick question, the "upgrade" is it for upgrade between kolla releases? how about source build? since it always uses master | 16:46 |
| mkoderer | it's a wip | 16:46 |
| sdake | unicell tht is what its for as well | 16:46 |
| sdake | upgrde liberty to master | 16:46 |
| sdake | ugprade mitaka to miaster | 16:46 |
| sdake | upgrade master a to master b | 16:46 |
| unicell | mainly db schema? | 16:46 |
| inc0 | unicell, in reality it is upgrade from latest stable kolla to master | 16:47 |
| sdake | we have determined the hrd part of the upgrde is the db schema | 16:47 |
| inc0 | but it will work on any kolla you have to master | 16:47 |
| sdake | inc= goood point | 16:47 |
| inc0 | we just support latest stable to current master | 16:47 |
| unicell | I see | 16:47 |
| sdake | 2 more mins on time box | 16:47 |
| inc0 | you can run upgrades every hour and it will work | 16:47 |
| sdake | samyaple are you about? | 16:48 |
| inc0 | I don't reccomend it, but it will;) | 16:48 |
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| mkoderer | inc0: old stable to new stable would make sense too | 16:48 |
| unicell | inc0: that means every commit in kolla master should be backward compatible? | 16:48 |
| sdake | inc0 assuming master works ;) | 16:48 |
| inc0 | mkoderer, new stable is a master from some point of time;) | 16:48 |
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| liyi | do we also have rollback in agenda? | 16:48 |
| unicell | inc0: I'm just thinking about your `run upgrades every hour` statement | 16:49 |
| sdake | one area of concern i have is the data containers to hte named volumes | 16:49 |
| sdake | we need to discuss tht at hte midcycle | 16:49 |
| inc0 | unicell, depends how you define backward compatibility, we don't have running service or api | 16:49 |
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| inc0 | each run of plays is idempotent and atomic action | 16:49 |
| sdake | liyl rollback si not in the meeting agenda no | 16:49 |
| inc0 | and we don't have database | 16:50 |
| sdake | samyaple ping | 16:50 |
| sdake | your up next | 16:50 |
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| liyi | thanks sdake | 16:50 |
| unicell | inc0: assuming everytime we do fresh deploy, then yes. but what if I keep some containers running, while updating others | 16:50 |
| sdake | #topic Kolla-ansible config playbook | 16:50 |
| elemoine | sdake, your data containers vs named volumes concern is related to upgrades? | 16:50 |
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| sdake | elemoine yes | 16:50 |
| inc0 | unicell, let's move this to open discussion plz | 16:51 |
| unicell | inc0: sure | 16:51 |
| sdake | well this is samyaple's topic - if he wakes up we can move back to him :) | 16:51 |
| nihilifer | SamYaple: ? | 16:51 |
| pbourke | Im not understanding that topic | 16:51 |
| sdake | #topic Logging with Heka spec | 16:52 |
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| sdake | pbourke its in the agenda | 16:52 |
| sdake | i dont know the details sorry | 16:52 |
| pbourke | np | 16:52 |
| sdake | I follow the agenda here: | 16:52 |
| sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 16:52 |
| sdake | feel free to update it with your items | 16:52 |
| elemoine | should I go ahead and talk about Heka spec? | 16:52 |
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| sdake | you have the floor elemoine | 16:52 |
| elemoine | I updated the spec today, based on the good commeents I had | 16:53 |
| sdake | see spec process hepful elemoine :) | 16:53 |
| elemoine | the one missing bit is verify that I can handle haproxy and keepalived using Heka only | 16:53 |
| elemoine | I am prototyping this right now | 16:53 |
| elemoine | and it's promising :) | 16:54 |
| elemoine | I got it to work for haproxy | 16:54 |
| sdake | nice! | 16:54 |
| sdake | i think now we have no haproxy logging at all | 16:54 |
| elemoine | so I can't promise it but it sounds like we'll be able to do with just Heka | 16:54 |
| elemoine | sdake, correct | 16:54 |
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| sdake | akwasnie have any feedback? | 16:54 |
| elemoine | but we want haproxy logging in the future | 16:54 |
| nihilifer | gj elemoine | 16:54 |
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| britthouser | Remind me: we decided heka can replace both rsyslog and one of the other services? | 16:55 |
| akwasnie | just one question elemoine: are you able to connect your patch with Heka with my patch with Elastic? | 16:55 |
| elemoine | when I am done with the prototyping work I'll update the spec again | 16:55 |
| sdake | britt roger | 16:55 |
| akwasnie | I mean will it work together? | 16:55 |
| elemoine | akwasnie, I have no doubt about this | 16:55 |
| inc0 | britthouser, if it can that is | 16:55 |
| elemoine | this is why I did not focus on that | 16:56 |
| sdake | britthouser logstash is gone now with heka | 16:56 |
| britthouser | nice...two birds, one heka. =) GJ elemoine! | 16:56 |
| sdake | my only concern with heka is reliability | 16:56 |
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| nihilifer | akwasnie: your elk patches will be merged soon, so elemoine will begin "ready to mege" work after that | 16:56 |
| sdake | and my lack of experience with said reliability | 16:56 |
| sdake | but if folks say its solid i'll go with that | 16:57 |
| akwasnie | nihilifer: great | 16:57 |
| elemoine | sdake, yeah new technology for you | 16:57 |
| elemoine | but we've been using Heka for quite some time | 16:57 |
| elemoine | and we're confident it's reliable | 16:57 |
| sdake | wfm | 16:57 |
| elemoine | and Mozilla use it in production as well | 16:57 |
| inc0 | and we don't have anything really now | 16:58 |
| elemoine | and we're committed to babysitting it :) | 16:58 |
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| sdake | elemoine can you link the spec please | 16:58 |
| inc0 | we all will babysit it, but your help will be super useful | 16:58 |
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| elemoine | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270906/ | 16:59 |
| sdake | core reviewers, specs require simple maoiryt approval | 16:59 |
| elemoine | inc0, right, I was joking here | 16:59 |
| sdake | so I'd appreciate your time in reviewing the specs | 16:59 |
| sdake | so i don't have to track down votes | 16:59 |
| sdake | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270906/ | 16:59 |
| elemoine | sdake, I'll udpate the spec again tomorrow | 16:59 |
| elemoine | when I'm done I'll remove the [WIP] flag in the commit message | 16:59 |
| elemoine | when WIP is gone it'll mean "please review" | 17:00 |
| elemoine | works for you? | 17:00 |
| sdake | yup | 17:00 |
| inc0 | you can always use workflow-1 for that | 17:00 |
| sdake | works for everyone :) | 17:00 |
| inc0 | but either way works | 17:00 |
| sdake | might as well review along the way | 17:00 |
| elemoine | ok | 17:00 |
| sdake | i dont like specs to be reviewed at last minute | 17:00 |
| sdake | i'd like them continously reviewed by the core reviewer team | 17:01 |
| sdake | this is why we dont use specs - alot of overhead | 17:01 |
| elemoine | that's all on my side, I'm looking forward to integrating this with akwasnie's EK work | 17:01 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:01 |
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| sdake | so data containers to named volumes | 17:01 |
| inc0 | having central logging this release would be wonderful | 17:01 |
| sdake | inc0 me first then you :) | 17:01 |
| unicell | so we skipped "Kolla-ansible delegate_to vs run_once" topic as well? | 17:01 |
| elemoine | inc0, yep, agreee | 17:02 |
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| sdake | unicell samyaple isn't here | 17:02 |
| sdake | and I dont know what he wants to discuss in that topic | 17:02 |
| liyi | how about the other guys get involved with that topic | 17:02 |
| unicell | sdake: ok.. I kind of hitting the issue with delegate_to vs run_once | 17:02 |
| sdake | if the agenda topic leads aren't here in the meeting we will skip those | 17:02 |
| unicell | interested to know what the direction would be to solve the problem | 17:03 |
| sdake | unicell sync up with sam when he is in | 17:03 |
| liyi | the bug r really a pain in the ass now | 17:03 |
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| unicell | guess we can discuss when Sam is online yep | 17:03 |
| liyi | ok | 17:03 |
| sdake | so data containers to named volumes | 17:03 |
| sdake | i was thinking we could make a backup migration playbook | 17:04 |
| sdake | that is run once | 17:04 |
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| sdake | that migrates data containers to named volumes | 17:04 |
| sdake | thoughts/concerns? | 17:04 |
| inc0 | one thin I have to say on this topic, we're switch docker version with this, kolla will not have backward compatibility | 17:04 |
| sdake | (needs to finish march) | 17:04 |
| unicell | sdake: is that part covered in any of the upgrade blueprints? | 17:04 |
| sdake | inc0 why not | 17:04 |
| inc0 | and yeah, migration play will have to happen and be part of upgrade play, good point | 17:04 |
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| nihilifer | sdake: that would be probably ansible module as well, but idea is good for me | 17:05 |
| inc0 | sdake, just something to consider | 17:05 |
| inc0 | I'm ok with that | 17:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | I think the backup is neccessary. | 17:05 |
| sdake | no i mean when we switch to tdocker 1.10, why is there no backward compat? | 17:05 |
| inc0 | sdake, can you pop a bp and connect it to main upgrade bp? | 17:05 |
| inc0 | named volumes | 17:06 |
| inc0 | thin containers | 17:06 |
| sdake | yes well we need to solve that problem too | 17:06 |
| sdake | inc0 can you write the blueprint, it hink you have a betteer handle o n the problem | 17:06 |
| inc0 | if we switch to docker 1.10 and start using it's stuff right away, which we should | 17:06 |
| inc0 | ok | 17:06 |
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| inc0 | we stop supporting older version of docker | 17:07 |
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| sdake | i am good with 1.10 of docker | 17:07 |
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| sdake | maybe docker inc hs finally gotten docker right this time ;) | 17:07 |
| sdake | seems like it from my registry experiments | 17:07 |
| inc0 | ma too, but we might need to put this as well to upgrade play | 17:07 |
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| elemoine | so for upgrade we'll need something that copies the data from the old data container to the new named volume, right? | 17:07 |
| inc0 | elemoine, maybe there is clean way to turn container to volume.. | 17:08 |
| sdake | yes but it ony needst orun if the data container is up | 17:08 |
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| sdake | and if it is up we backup restore kill old data container | 17:08 |
| sdake | left as an exercise to the reader | 17:08 |
| sdake | named volumes are already in teh code base | 17:08 |
| sdake | so it needs to be handled | 17:08 |
| elemoine | file owners/permissions might be the hard part | 17:09 |
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| inc0 | I'll pop bp for both - upgrade docker and migration between version | 17:09 |
| sdake | i want popele to be able to deploy liberty and then upgrade to mitaka via kola with zero problems | 17:09 |
| sdake | downtime is fine | 17:09 |
| inc0 | downtime of API is fine* | 17:09 |
| sdake | not the vms of course | 17:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | upgrade the docker will stop all the containers( especially the openvswitch and nova-libvit ) on a host. So we should move the vms on the host to another in the play? | 17:11 |
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| sdake | nah libvirt will reonnect | 17:11 |
| sdake | i have tested this extensively | 17:11 |
| sdake | libvirt can be upgraded without vm downtime | 17:11 |
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| inc0 | qemu can't tho | 17:12 |
| inc0 | not sure about ovs | 17:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | qemu process and br-ex from openvswitch will be kill. at that time, the vms is unreachable. | 17:12 |
| sdake | a short network downtime is ok | 17:12 |
| sdake | losing vm state is not good | 17:13 |
| inc0 | I'd rather keep us of upgrading ovs right now | 17:13 |
| sdake | qemu-kvm process is not killed | 17:13 |
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| inc0 | for me ovs upgrade is something we should handle outside of our play | 17:13 |
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| sdake | inc0 your the boss ;) | 17:13 |
| sdake | inc0 has taken lead on this folks, i'm just here to facilitate | 17:14 |
| inc0 | as it's not upgraded every 6 months and is way more disruptive | 17:14 |
| sdake | inc0 knows the tech well | 17:14 |
| sdake | its a one time upgrade | 17:14 |
| sdake | oh you mean ovs | 17:14 |
| sdake | right | 17:14 |
| unicell | quick question: do we have a working sdn solution integraion in kolla, or it's just ovs with bridged network? | 17:14 |
| sdake | ovs is a infrastructure service | 17:14 |
| sdake | not an openstack service | 17:14 |
| sdake | we need a different strategy for infrastructure services then openstack services | 17:14 |
| inc0 | +1 sdake | 17:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | I am talking about the docker service upgrade. When the docker service is stopped and all the container is down. The qemu process should be killed, in my understanding. | 17:15 |
| inc0 | unicell, it's normal ovs+neutron way | 17:15 |
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| inc0 | we also support linuxbridge | 17:15 |
| sdake | that is what i talked about above, investigate the ifnrastructure services and come to the midcycle prepapred with a plan | 17:15 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l 100% trust me qemu is not killed | 17:15 |
| inc0 | good point Jeffrey4l | 17:15 |
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| sdake | pid=host | 17:15 |
| elemoine | sdake, infrastructure upgrade is as important as openstack upgrade, no? | 17:15 |
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| sdake | elemoine second in importance | 17:16 |
| sdake | with pid=host, anything that goes into the host pid space docker cannot kill | 17:16 |
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| inc0 | elemoine, it doesn't have to be upgraded every 6 months, and that's easier | 17:16 |
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| elemoine | inc0, sdake, ok I see | 17:16 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, ok. I will make that test later. | 17:16 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, please do | 17:16 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l yup double check that is still the case since docker is a movign targrt | 17:16 |
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| Jeffrey4l | :D | 17:17 |
| sdake | but fwiw 1.8 and below had this behavior | 17:17 |
| sdake | if it does kill the ms we ned to fix that | 17:17 |
| inc0 | unicell, about fresh deploy vs running kolla | 17:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | yup. I will show the result. | 17:18 |
| inc0 | our upgrade stategy really means you redeploy containers, one at the time | 17:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | when finished. | 17:18 |
| unicell | inc0: was trying to understand better about the upgrade | 17:18 |
| elemoine | http://sdake.io/2015/01/28/an-atomic-upgrade-process-for-openstack-compute-nodes/ is what sdake wrote on the subject some time ago | 17:18 |
| unicell | does this upgrade allows us to upgrade some opernstack service while running others? | 17:19 |
| inc0 | if you have 3 keystones, only 1 of them will be down in any given moment | 17:19 |
| inc0 | unicell, that's how it works | 17:19 |
| inc0 | we upgrade 1 service at the time | 17:19 |
| unicell | I mean, ceph could have dependency on kolla-ansible | 17:19 |
| inc0 | first keystone, then after we're done we start with glance | 17:19 |
| unicell | not the multiple instance of the same service part | 17:19 |
| sdake | elemoine thanks i had forgot about that, it has screen hsots of proof that compute vms do not die during a libvirt upgrade | 17:19 |
| inc0 | unicell, we try to keep containers independent | 17:20 |
| inc0 | kolla-ansible is for example just run as a bootstraping tool, after that it just hangs in there | 17:20 |
| inc0 | there is no container-to-container communication | 17:20 |
| unicell | there's ansible module inside kolla ansible container | 17:21 |
| inc0 | yeah, and it's main task is to create used for service in ks and so on | 17:21 |
| inc0 | and that's not even run during upgrade, that's a bootstrap task | 17:22 |
| Jeffrey4l | kolla-ansible -> docker.sock(mount from the host) -> other container. this is how it work. | 17:22 |
| inc0 | it doesn't really do this even | 17:22 |
| unicell | ok, I think I get your point, containers should be independent most of the time | 17:23 |
| inc0 | it does call APIs | 17:23 |
| inc0 | with shade which is ansible module for openstack | 17:23 |
| sdake | ok upgrades beaten to death | 17:23 |
| sdake | anyone else have topics to discuss? | 17:23 |
| inc0 | unicell, main benefit you have from containers is separation | 17:23 |
| unicell | there's still cases openstack service have cross component dependencies, right? | 17:24 |
| schwarzm | sdake: there is this kolla-kubernetes bp .. is there any prior art ? | 17:24 |
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| sdake | i am not familiar with this blueprint but i am not willing to take on something as complex as that at the end of the dev cycle | 17:24 |
| inc0 | unicell, depends what do you mean | 17:24 |
| sdake | especially when we he so much work to do schwarzm | 17:25 |
| sdake | but kolla started out as containers on kuberntes | 17:25 |
| inc0 | in general services communicating either over API or queue, and both aren't contianer'ish dependency | 17:25 |
| sdake | and it didnt work because kubernetes didnt support pid=host nd net=host | 17:25 |
| sdake | now kubernetes supports those things from what i hear | 17:26 |
| schwarzm | that is if the components using this are inside the containerized workload | 17:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | what looks like in the final? A web-base tools like fuel? Or a api-base service, which can be used by other deployment tool? | 17:26 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ya it does | 17:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | for kolla | 17:26 |
| schwarzm | we for instance would use a vcenter as backend | 17:26 |
| nihilifer | Jeffrey4l: i guess we'll discuss this od midcycle | 17:26 |
| schwarzm | which would eliminate this need | 17:26 |
| schwarzm | but ok if there is nothing i could look at i will keep an eye on the bp | 17:26 |
| nihilifer | Jeffrey4l: but yes, at least for kolla-mesos i'd like to have an api to pass configuration without /etc files | 17:27 |
| rhallisey | schwarzm, did you have any questions pertaining kolla-kube? | 17:27 |
| sdake | schwarzm are you interested inworking on this work? | 17:27 |
| rhallisey | schwarzm, it's still in the early stages | 17:27 |
| nihilifer | Jeffrey4l: to make kolla consumable by i.e. fuel | 17:27 |
| unicell | inc0: I haven't give it try for tempest in kolla, but does it actually work and can ensure entire kolla setup working as expected? | 17:27 |
| rhallisey | I'm going to make a run at it in Feb | 17:27 |
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| Jeffrey4l | nihilifer, cook | 17:27 |
| schwarzm | i will take a good look at that | 17:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | cool. | 17:27 |
| rhallisey | as long as updates and root priv stuff is done | 17:28 |
| sdake | unicell the gates dont have enough ram to run tempest | 17:28 |
| sdake | so if yo uwant ot solve that problem start by reducing ram in teh gates | 17:28 |
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| unicell | sdake: we don't have multinode setup in gate either, correct? | 17:29 |
| inc0 | unicell, talk with pbourke about that, he is guy to talk to:) | 17:29 |
| sdake | unicell not yet | 17:29 |
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| sdake | ok times up | 17:29 |
| sdake | lets flow over to #kolla | 17:29 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 17:29:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-01-27-16.29.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-01-27-16.29.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-01-27-16.29.log.html | 17:29 |
| unicell | thanks inc0 | 17:29 |
| inc0 | thank you everyone | 17:29 |
| akwasnie | thanks | 17:29 |
| elemoine | thanks | 17:30 |
| rhallisey | thanks | 17:30 |
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| Jeffrey4l | thanks | 17:30 |
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| j^2 | hi! | 19:00 |
| docaedo | yo! | 19:00 |
| j^2 | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 19:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 19:00 |
| j^2 | #topic Rollcall | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:00 | |
| j^2 | Hey everyone! | 19:01 |
| docaedo | Hello! | 19:01 |
| j^2 | please checkin or say hi to track you being here | 19:01 |
| raginbajin | Hello | 19:01 |
| raginbajin | o/ | 19:01 |
| mdorman | o/ | 19:01 |
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| j^2 | unfortunately i’m being called away at the moment | 19:02 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: can you run this or mdorman ? | 19:02 |
| mdorman | i’m on a call also for another 30 min :( | 19:02 |
| raginbajin | I can that's fine. | 19:03 |
| j^2 | rockon | 19:03 |
| j^2 | thanks | 19:03 |
| j^2 | #chair raginbajin | 19:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: j^2 raginbajin | 19:03 |
| raginbajin | Let me pull up the meeting agenda | 19:03 |
| docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160127 | 19:03 |
| raginbajin | Thank you | 19:03 |
| docaedo | ^^ agenda (for the logging :) ) | 19:03 |
| docaedo | np | 19:03 |
| klindgren | o/ | 19:04 |
| raginbajin | #topic Previous Business | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous Business (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:04 | |
| raginbajin | Just want to review previous business from the last meeting to see if there is any additional information that we should discuss | 19:04 |
| raginbajin | The first is Talk about releases for repos other than tools-contrib and tools-generic | 19:04 |
| mdorman | was there any history on that? | 19:05 |
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| raginbajin | The discussion was that we would not be doing releases at this point. | 19:05 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:05 |
| raginbajin | We are still a pretty small group, and to handle releases would be a big task. | 19:05 |
| mdorman | yeah i kinda agree | 19:06 |
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| raginbajin | If there isn't anything additional to this to bring up, then the next would be - paulcz: talk about moving the terriform tooling to it's own repo | 19:06 |
| rockyg | Although, it might be worth tagging some of the stuff when it's in a good and reviewed condition | 19:07 |
| rockyg | a repo tag/label | 19:07 |
| raginbajin | rockyg: Ok good point.. We can review that once we get to a point where we actually have something that is tagged. | 19:08 |
| raginbajin | I mean needs tagging | 19:08 |
| mdorman | yeah i think something lightweight like that would be appropriate | 19:08 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:08 |
| raginbajin | The terriform tool wanted to move its tool over to its own repo under osops | 19:09 |
| raginbajin | We have done this already for other tools and we didn't see it as any issue to bring it under the umbrella | 19:09 |
| raginbajin | Any new comments for this? | 19:09 |
| klindgren | none from me | 19:10 |
| raginbajin | The final item in the old business then is - balajin: Fixing the ical to reflect correct dates (it shows up on my calendar every week) | 19:10 |
| mdorman | so we’d have a osops-terriform repo? | 19:10 |
| mdorman | sorry, late to that topic | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | Yes, we would have an osops-terriform repo | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | and other bigger projects that want to hand these over to osops would use the same naming pattern. | 19:11 |
| mdorman | gottcha. ok makes sense. thanks for the explanation | 19:11 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | It looks like from the notes that the ical has now been corrected, but I'm not 100% sure if thats the case or not. balajin was the one reporting it and mentioned it was fixed. | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | Not sure if anyone has an info on this. | 19:13 |
| docaedo | I don't have a link to the review handy, but when I look in my google calendar I do not see the ops meeting noted | 19:13 |
| docaedo | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irc-meetings.ical | 19:14 |
| rockyg | me either. Hi, docaedo! | 19:14 |
| docaedo | rockyg: hey! | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | and here's the link to the review | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268326/ | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | Looks like from the last comment that j^2 was still looking for some confirmation from openstack-infra group on it, but that's the last of the updates. | 19:15 |
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| docaedo | raginbajin: thanks - then looks like that -1 from Tony needs to go away | 19:15 |
| raginbajin | We'll keep it as an action item to follow-up with next meeting to make sure it gets resolved. | 19:16 |
| raginbajin | That's it for previous business. Does anyone have anything that I missed or would like to bring up? I'll give everyone a minute or two before moving on. | 19:16 |
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| rockyg | docaedo, want to introduce yourself and your relevant project? | 19:17 |
| docaedo | rockyg: sure (but I'll wait 'till the chair moves on to the next topic ;) ) | 19:18 |
| rockyg | Ah, right. Sorry. Still old biz | 19:18 |
| raginbajin | #topic New Business | 19:18 |
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| raginbajin | #topic Talk about finding a place for Operator bits in the Community App Catalog (apps.openstack.org) | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Talk about finding a place for Operator bits in the Community App Catalog (apps.openstack.org) (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:18 | |
| docaedo | raginbajin: thanks! | 19:19 |
| raginbajin | yep!! | 19:19 |
| raginbajin | The floor is yours I'm guessing | 19:19 |
| docaedo | I wanted to bring up the topic (suggested by rockyg) of adding Operator things to the openstack community app catalog | 19:19 |
| docaedo | #link https://apps.openstack.org | 19:19 |
| docaedo | j^2 has joined our meetings on occasion and has been active in the conversations we've had in the past | 19:20 |
| docaedo | the main thing that has come up was what exactly could be put in the catalog | 19:20 |
| docaedo | To my mind the easiest way to think about the catalog is as an index of "things" that can be used with an OpenStack cloud | 19:20 |
| docaedo | The idea of going to "apps.openstack.org" to find an installer for OpenStack (like fuel for instance) doesn't make much sense to me - BUT seems like there's room for other things that operators can use | 19:21 |
| docaedo | anyway, we'd had minor conversations kicking around from a few months back but they were pretty inconclusive | 19:21 |
| raginbajin | I guess I see apps.openstack.org as more for the users and not the operators. | 19:21 |
| docaedo | raginbajin: yes I mostly agree, but I think there's room (at least potentially) to include things in there for operators too, | 19:22 |
| raginbajin | I also wonder if we have another place for people to go, how do we manage that and how do we get operators to be be a part of our community. | 19:22 |
| raginbajin | fair enough. | 19:22 |
| docaedo | so thought it would be a good idea to get some input from the operators | 19:22 |
| rockyg | Well, just like the apple and google stores have categories for music, games, apps, this catalog could have a category for "operations" | 19:22 |
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| mdorman | my question is how any of hte osops stuff would fit into a glance image, heat template, or murano package | 19:23 |
| rockyg | If the osops tagged repo gets tarballed, or just zipped if it's a single utility, then the catalog could point there, maybe? | 19:23 |
| docaedo | right - one of the things to keep in mind is that the three categories right now (heat, glance, murano) were just in a sense temporary, for launch, with the intention that they would be expanded upon | 19:23 |
| mdorman | i see | 19:23 |
| docaedo | we're working to add Mistral and TOSCA assets right now | 19:23 |
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| docaedo | so the bigger question | 19:24 |
| docaedo | is does it make sense to include things for operators too? and if so, what specific things would be there, what might it look like? | 19:24 |
| docaedo | (and if you as a group think it unnecessarily fragments the operator community, please say so :) ) | 19:25 |
| mdorman | yeah i mean aside from the effort needed to maintain such a thing, seems like it might be useful. i would imagine like a “tools” package that could kind of aggregate the whole tools repo somehow | 19:25 |
| mdorman | and another one for “monitors” for all teh monitoring scripts | 19:25 |
| raginbajin | I think we as an operators community are struggling to get enough support and/or tools added to our repos now. | 19:26 |
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| mdorman | but i’m wondering how much that stuff would actually be sourced from the app catalog, vs. operators just pulling them down from git. i.e. is there actually demand for that stuff in the app catalog | 19:26 |
| raginbajin | +1 | 19:26 |
| mdorman | raginbajin: i would agree with that as well. | 19:26 |
| docaedo | I don't think there's demand for that today, and might not ever be TBH | 19:26 |
| docaedo | but that's why I wanted to chat here with you all | 19:27 |
| mdorman | yeah probably the focus for now should be on getting more tools that are well-validated and curated in teh repos in the first place | 19:27 |
| mdorman | then we could talk more about different ways to package and distribute | 19:27 |
| docaedo | seems reasonable to me - also I was not really sure what the current state was with respect to that (one more reason to have a quick conversation about it) | 19:28 |
| rockyg | sounds like "not at the moment, but don't do anything to lock us out without first consulting us" | 19:28 |
| raginbajin | +1 | 19:28 |
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| docaedo | rockyg: oh no way, it's now or never! if the operator group spurns the app catalog today we'll never work together again!!!! MUAHAHAHA | 19:29 |
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| docaedo | just kidding :) I feel like IRC meetings need more levity | 19:29 |
| mdorman | sounds like a good plan to me | 19:29 |
| docaedo | I actually think that perfectly captures it | 19:29 |
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| docaedo | and I plan to stay in contact with you guys of course, and will keep the operator community in mind all the time | 19:30 |
| * rockyg laughs but then the cold kicks in an makes me cough | 19:30 | |
| rockyg | Yeah, I'm just a troublemaker, making sure the devs are aware of the other stakeholders..... | 19:31 |
| raginbajin | So, it sounds like we the operators group is going to continue to concentrate on getting more validated and curated tools into our current repos and then look for different ways to package and distribute down the line. This could include the app.openstack.org area eventually. | 19:31 |
| docaedo | rockyg: it's much appreciated | 19:31 |
| docaedo | raginbajin: +1 | 19:31 |
| mdorman | +1 | 19:32 |
| rockyg | Sounds great. | 19:32 |
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| docaedo | thanks for the conversation | 19:32 |
| raginbajin | Thank you for talking with us for sure. | 19:32 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 19:32 |
| raginbajin | That's it for new business. Does anyone have any additonal new business they would like to bring up? | 19:33 |
| rockyg | Midcycle? | 19:33 |
| raginbajin | #topic Other new business | 19:33 |
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| raginbajin | #topic Mid-Cycle | 19:33 |
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| mdorman | that’s waht i was going to say. how much presense will we have there? | 19:33 |
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| rockyg | I'm gonna be there. I can advertise and promote. Anything specific you want me and/or others to do? | 19:33 |
| raginbajin | I know I won't be able to attend. International trips are hard to get approved. | 19:33 |
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| raginbajin | I think just reminding people about any tools, monitors, scripts, etc are there for their contribution as well as use. | 19:34 |
| mdorman | +1 yeah that’s the main thing. it’s really easy to contribute to the -contrib repo now, that’s a good first step for people | 19:35 |
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| rockyg | I'll get Tom to put it in the intro slides... | 19:36 |
| mdorman | is j^2 going, anybody know? | 19:37 |
| rockyg | Do we have good readme.rst in each of the repos? | 19:37 |
| raginbajin | #action rockyg will talk with Tom F. about mentioning the OSOPS group in the introduction slides. | 19:37 |
| j^2 | mdorman: yeah i couldn’t get the funds for it. :( | 19:37 |
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| mdorman | ish on readmes | 19:37 |
| rockyg | That would be good to have in reasonable shape before the midcycle. That way, quick reviews by ops to see what's already out there. | 19:38 |
| mdorman | someplace there is a wiki page that explains it better. but i can’t find it now | 19:39 |
| raginbajin | Do I have any volunteers to take on the task of updating the readmes | 19:39 |
| mdorman | i can do that | 19:40 |
| raginbajin | awesome.. Thanks mdorman | 19:40 |
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| rockyg | Thanks mdorman | 19:40 |
| raginbajin | #action mdorman will update the osops repo's readme files to give a better description of their purpose. | 19:40 |
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| raginbajin | Do we have anything else for the mid-cycle? | 19:41 |
| raginbajin | Do we have any other new business? | 19:42 |
| raginbajin | Doesn't sound like it... I'll give everyone another 1-2 minutes for any other business. Then close the meeting if there is nothing else to discuss | 19:43 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 19:44 |
| docaedo | thank you! | 19:44 |
| raginbajin | Sounds like we are all done for today's meeting.. | 19:44 |
| mdorman | i’m good. thanks raginbajin | 19:44 |
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| raginbajin | Thank you everyone for coming and participating. | 19:44 |
| raginbajin | We will see everyone again in 2 weeks.. | 19:45 |
| raginbajin | #endmeeting | 19:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 19:45:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-01-27-19.00.html | 19:45 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-01-27-19.00.txt | 19:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-01-27-19.00.log.html | 19:45 |
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| rockyg | shoot. Lost track of time. Anyone here for log_wg? | 20:11 |
| rockyg | jokke_, rbradfor? | 20:13 |
| rbradfor | sorry | 20:13 |
| rockyg | no, I forgot, too. | 20:13 |
| rbradfor | I have this in my calendar for 4pm ET. | 20:13 |
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| rbradfor | and it's 3:13 ET now | 20:14 |
| rockyg | Oh, you're right. I have got to get this straight in my head. I keep doing this. | 20:14 |
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| rockyg | Go back to getting the config stuff fixed. We need that to get the log stuff fixed. | 20:14 |
| rbradfor | I was on at 4pm ET last week aslo but there was no action! | 20:14 |
| rockyg | I was sick. I'll remember the 1pm pst this time | 20:15 |
| rbradfor | ok, so we can reconnect in 45 mins? | 20:15 |
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| rockyg | Yup | 20:19 |
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| rbradfor | rockyg, knock knock | 21:03 |
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| rocky_g | #startmeeting log_wg | 21:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 21:05:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rocky_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 21:05 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 21:05 |
| rocky_g | sorry I'm late | 21:06 |
| rocky_g | jokke_, you there? | 21:06 |
| jokke_ | yes | 21:06 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 21:06 |
| jokke_ | sorry, just got in | 21:06 |
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| jokke_ | so I was bit late as well | 21:06 |
| rocky_g | OK. jokke_ meet rbradfor and vice versa | 21:07 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, hi,hi | 21:07 |
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| rocky_g | and rbradfor, monty says hi! | 21:08 |
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| rbradfor | monty taylor? | 21:08 |
| rocky_g | yup | 21:08 |
| jokke_ | hi rbradfor \o | 21:08 |
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| rocky_g | we were discussing logging and I mentioned you. | 21:09 |
| rbradfor | yep, we have known each other, almost 10 years now. | 21:09 |
| rocky_g | Wow. So, monty was like four? | 21:09 |
| jokke_ | :P | 21:10 |
| rocky_g | #topic status updates | 21:10 |
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| rocky_g | rbradfor, I know you're working on config stuff. Whaere are you and how can we help? | 21:10 |
| rbradfor | From an action item of last meeting I generated Sphinx docs of configuration options for 5 of 6 listed projects (swift doesn't play ball) to see what was possible. My demo was at http://ronaldbradford.com/tmp/openstack-opts/ | 21:11 |
| rbradfor | I took this one step further and integrated Glance into full docs which provided some surprises. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270920/ has merged, you can see the full glory at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/opts.html | 21:11 |
| rbradfor | surprises are things we should discuss in relation to configuration reference guide | 21:11 |
| rocky_g | excellent. Get to them before the endusers see them | 21:12 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: oh that was you ;) | 21:12 |
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| rbradfor | jokke_, ?? | 21:12 |
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| jokke_ | rbradfor: didn't realize to relate the nick and name together, that's all | 21:13 |
| rocky_g | jokke_'s main job is glance core | 21:13 |
| jokke_ | I was looking that change but Flavio and Sabari were faster approving | 21:13 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, ok, well I didn't know that either. | 21:13 |
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| jokke_ | so, thanks for that :D | 21:14 |
| rbradfor | I just picked glance at random but the interaction with Sabari was very helpful towards decisions one may make in a operator config guide | 21:14 |
| rocky_g | please elaborate.. | 21:15 |
| rbradfor | Flavio (who I did not know is PTL) gave a nice review feedback I appreciated. | 21:15 |
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| rbradfor | so, some points of discussion | 21:15 |
| rbradfor | 1. what do you do when a project has multiple configuration files. | 21:15 |
| rbradfor | in this case I put all files into one page. | 21:15 |
| rbradfor | this has advantages and disadvantages. | 21:16 |
| rbradfor | the main disadvantage is if you look at just one file, you don't see all possible options. | 21:16 |
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| rbradfor | what you get (and it took some formatting) is specific options and a "common libraries" section | 21:16 |
| jokke_ | glance has actually at least 5 config files + policy and -paste.inis | 21:17 |
| rbradfor | which is then linked to the end of the document. | 21:17 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, I documented 5 I knew of (based on entry_points) | 21:17 |
| jokke_ | cool | 21:17 |
| rbradfor | what I learned is that you include other namespaces, via your opt/oslo-config-generator/<file> options (something knew I learned) | 21:18 |
| rbradfor | my first instinct was to include all namespaces into each file, but I could not actually do that, I ended up with duplicate DEFAULT sections (a later topic) | 21:18 |
| rbradfor | and, we would end up with what we are trying to avoid, repeating the same content. | 21:18 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 21:19 |
| rbradfor | so while a disadvantage you don't see all options possible, the advantage is I did not duplicate (for example logging options) | 21:19 |
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| rbradfor | so, debatable if it should be one configuration file per page, and another page of "included namespaces", all linked nicely, or one page as it is now. | 21:20 |
| jokke_ | glance is actually one of the rare projects still carrying example configs in tree, so in that perspective it does not make that huge of a problem either way | 21:20 |
| rbradfor | and how it is now, could be achieved with present sphinx directives. creating one all encompassing file would have met a oslo.config code change | 21:20 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, I liked the use of the oslo-config-generator conf file, I hope other projects use that. | 21:21 |
| jokke_ | I personally like the idea of having the documentation all in single page so it's easy to search when you are crawling through those configs | 21:21 |
| rbradfor | infact, I'd propse we create a sphinx option to read these files specifically. | 21:21 |
| rocky_g | ++ | 21:21 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: I don't, but that's different story ... Hopefully we get the reason fixed in oslo-config-generator | 21:21 |
| rbradfor | so the docs creatiion uses one conf file, and generates sample configs and matching docs. | 21:22 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, whats the fix you speak of? | 21:22 |
| jokke_ | well there is no fix yet, but the problem is that if you change something in the config options (at the code level) you get XX% different output from oslo config generator | 21:23 |
| rbradfor | as I just fixed another bug in this area, happy to hear your input while it's fresh | 21:23 |
| jokke_ | making config management absolute nightmare | 21:23 |
| jokke_ | and thus upgrade as well | 21:23 |
| rbradfor | ok, well lets come back to this, because I'd like to know what it is so I can fix it | 21:23 |
| rocky_g | FYI here, Nova is working to merge all their config files into a single one, with clear "sections" | 21:24 |
| jokke_ | IIUC Stuart McLaren opened bug against it just last week | 21:24 |
| jokke_ | haven't got to look into it yet | 21:24 |
| jokke_ | rocky_g: we are not :P | 21:24 |
| rocky_g | So, I think there will be a trend in Newton to do the same in other projects. | 21:24 |
| rbradfor | I've seen a lot of reviews on nova cleanup | 21:25 |
| rocky_g | Yup. | 21:25 |
| jokke_ | there has been push for that at least for 3 cycles now, and I'm happy to keep -2ing any proposed changes for such :P | 21:25 |
| rbradfor | speaking of sections, this is a problem I found, and I'm going to raise it in Austin, that is having logging not be in [DEFAULT] but in a [logging] section | 21:25 |
| jokke_ | same with removing the examples from tree | 21:25 |
| rocky_g | Ah. Interesting. | 21:26 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, silly to remove conf examples from code. | 21:26 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: that's purely because it comes from oslo_log, not from the project namespace | 21:26 |
| rocky_g | I'd love to see a proposal to have a "global" config that only gets overwritten by individaul project config files. Right now, no global | 21:26 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: and tbh. I like the fact that all the config options are now under their own section, not scattered around [DEFAULT] | 21:26 |
| rbradfor | yes, because it's a namespace, and a few others benefits | 21:27 |
| rocky_g | So, instead of "default" how about "global" with sections? | 21:27 |
| rbradfor | 1 is the generation of "common libraries". all others have there own section | 21:27 |
| jokke_ | rocky_g: the problem with that is that it's great idea for devstack, but kind of pointless when you deploy the services to their dedicated machines | 21:27 |
| rbradfor | and also if you want to move to rocky_g goal of a higher order global config I see sections as being beneficial | 21:28 |
| rocky_g | I think ops would take the config files from a repo and write a distribution script to put it on the appropriate iron. | 21:28 |
| jokke_ | I think the oslo-config-generator is the right way to go if we get projects not to change those defaults what oslo__log offers | 21:29 |
| jokke_ | that would give that global default and it would be up to deployer to change if they insist | 21:29 |
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| rocky_g | Well, it would be good to have a way to identify all the cross project config options separate from the project specific ones and have one place to change them... | 21:31 |
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| rbradfor | rocky_g, it will take some time to get standardization first across projects. the siloed approach now has some big effects in just naming things consistently. | 21:32 |
| rocky_g | So far as I am aware, that's only oslo stuff at the moment. | 21:33 |
| rocky_g | Yeah. Don't I know. | 21:33 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: I'm bit afraid of that naming consistently part as well ... afraid that we will get even more collisions | 21:33 |
| rocky_g | The cool thing about the generator is that it might be easier to identify conflicting options settings | 21:33 |
| rocky_g | could we do it for oslo stuff, though? And instead of a "default" or "global", just have an "oslo" section? | 21:34 |
| jokke_ | well as long as they are in different sections I don't think it cares, nor should/can | 21:34 |
| jokke_ | but when template update needs stuff like this https://twitter.com/epkuva/status/691669708756631552 naming collisions becomes really painful | 21:35 |
| rbradfor | rocky_g, just to digress a moment on sections | 21:36 |
| rbradfor | check out http://docs-draft.openstack.org/20/270920/4/check/gate-glance-docs/0e8ef17//doc/build/html/opts.html | 21:36 |
| rbradfor | which I just discovered differs from http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/opts.html (something else to look at) | 21:36 |
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| rbradfor | you can see inthe first, in the left menu, all the sections | 21:36 |
| rbradfor | there is already inconsistency in section headings for oslo, so I doubt we will get a common concensus, and I don't think having oslo is needed? | 21:37 |
| rocky_g | oslo is only needed if there is a change from the oslo defaults | 21:38 |
| rocky_g | but, there should be links to the relavent common, included other opts | 21:39 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: actually good example of that sorting issue I mentioned | 21:39 |
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| rbradfor | jokke_, are you talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1536899 | 21:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1536899 in oslo.config "config generator sorting has changed" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Ronald Bradford (ronaldbradford) | 21:40 |
| jokke_ | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/opts.html if you look for enable_v*_api ... so we have enable_v1_api, enable_v2_api, enable_v2_registry and enable_v3_api ... but all those are scattered all over the place | 21:40 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: I think that would be the one, yes | 21:40 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, I fixed that, it merged a few days back | 21:41 |
| jokke_ | oh brilliant!!!! | 21:41 |
| rbradfor | docs regenerated will go back to "source code" order | 21:41 |
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| jokke_ | rbradfor: will that be just for the docs or for the config files as well? | 21:41 |
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| jokke_ | I mena for the generated example configs | 21:41 |
| rbradfor | I'm more concerned with the draft docs and the final ones about the left menu, and section headings and formats, something is off there. | 21:41 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, it's the same code so it would fix both. | 21:42 |
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| jokke_ | rbradfor: that's best news I've heard for a while ... if you don't mind, drop link to that fix to the bug and feel free to mark it fixed or invalid, which ever way you prefer ;) | 21:42 |
| rocky_g | the option group seems to clean up a lot of the toc stuff. It drops a lot of the options out of the display level | 21:43 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272289/ has merged, so launchpad should mark this as closed automatically? | 21:43 |
| rocky_g | It's marked fix released | 21:44 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: oh yeah, it actually has (Fix released) | 21:44 |
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| jokke_ | makes our life so much better for the future, specially upgrades | 21:44 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, yeah, that came to Oslo attention at our meeting on monday. As I was in that code on Friday is was easy to identify, and not to much to fix | 21:45 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, so let's talk about upgrades a bit. | 21:45 |
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| rbradfor | let me start with "deprecated" because I've had a ML discussion on this. I want all options marked as deprecated to have a reason, and that reason is to list "in what release it is to be removed", but that's just text. | 21:45 |
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| rbradfor | it seems to me, that new options, or changed defaults also merit applicable flagging, so it would be easier to generate docs, | 21:46 |
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| rbradfor | e.g. "Whats new", "Whats changed", "What's deprecated", "what's removed" sections of configuration options. | 21:46 |
| rocky_g | yeah. release note stuff at a minimum | 21:46 |
| rbradfor | that IMO would help operators in upgrades | 21:46 |
| rbradfor | I know there are release notes on this, but it's a human writing that. | 21:47 |
| rocky_g | right. auto generate would be ideal | 21:47 |
| rbradfor | if this was meta data, then the oslo-config-generator for example could have additional info at it's disposal | 21:47 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: I'd prefer instead of having "Deprecated; will be removed in release X.Y.Z" it having "Deprecated; will be removed on first release after 1.6.2016" or so | 21:48 |
| jokke_ | that would give clear deprecation period regardless what has been released in between | 21:48 |
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| rbradfor | jokke_, I could see that reason. please add to ML | 21:48 |
| jokke_ | rbradfor: will do tomorrow when I'm by my work mail again | 21:49 |
| rbradfor | jokke_, sure | 21:49 |
| rbradfor | so, back on the upgrade path. | 21:49 |
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| rbradfor | what's at an operators disposal to know "whats changed/new/removed". do they simply diff sample confs between releases | 21:50 |
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| jokke_ | rbradfor: that's good one | 21:50 |
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| jokke_ | specially when you look that bug you fixed ... good luck finding anything from those diffs | 21:51 |
| jokke_ | before I mean | 21:51 |
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| rbradfor | yes, before was death, code introduced did not retain order | 21:52 |
| rocky_g | It's one of the reasons I think it takes them 3-6 months to qualify an upgrade. They have to find all this stuff. | 21:52 |
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| rocky_g | The other thing is that they can't allow their config files to be overwritten, or if they do, they then have to go back in and replace their changes | 21:52 |
| jokke_ | rocky_g: I updated our templates, the tweet I linked was how I finally got it done and even then I missed some conditions there :( | 21:52 |
| rocky_g | jokke_, here's the link to the ml thread: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084126.html | 21:53 |
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| jokke_ | the change for glance-api.conf + glance-registry.conf was give or take 3.5k lines :( | 21:53 |
| jokke_ | thanks rocky_g | 21:54 |
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| rocky_g | so, the config stuff is a really big painpoint for ops | 21:55 |
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| jokke_ | yes and rbradfor fixing that bug will ease it up Newton forwards | 21:55 |
| rocky_g | there was a huge thread on it when the samples were being removed. I'll see if I can find it... | 21:55 |
| jokke_ | as now folks gets version of configs from Mitaka and Newton will have just the real changes, not everything around the place | 21:56 |
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| rbradfor | so, if each config option had the following attributes, (released, changed, deprecated, removal) aka the cycle (sorry names for now), it would be infinitely easy to auto-generate all the lists an operator wants between releases | 21:57 |
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| jokke_ | makes sense | 21:57 |
| jokke_ | problem getting that released there at least | 21:58 |
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| jokke_ | as the release version will be mainly defined at the point when the release is cut based on the changes merged | 21:58 |
| rbradfor | yes, it's some meta data, but it's a transition project during a full cycle, it's not trivial, but if a project got behind it, and then maintained it. | 21:59 |
| jokke_ | and tracking such down will be too much to just throw at the release folks | 21:59 |
| rbradfor | new options when first merged are marked with "released" | 21:59 |
| rbradfor | then if changed, deprecated they are marked. I'm sure the change/deprecate volume is way less | 22:00 |
| jokke_ | ahh ... so you did not mean that those are fields with version defined when that happened | 22:00 |
| rbradfor | tracking down should be determable via git blame or stable release tages. | 22:00 |
| jokke_ | but rather state machine of the status of the option | 22:00 |
| jokke_ | ? | 22:00 |
| rbradfor | it was just a thought now, let me describe it in an email with examples. | 22:01 |
| jokke_ | sure | 22:01 |
| jokke_ | good discussion folks ... unfortunately we're out of time | 22:02 |
| rocky_g | oops. you're right. I've got a couple of mailing list links for rbradfor, then I'll call it. | 22:03 |
| rocky_g | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2014-December/005658.html | 22:03 |
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| rocky_g | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-January/005981.html | 22:03 |
| rocky_g | This is a thread on how operators were going to try to deal with the confg opts changes/issues/lack of sample configs | 22:04 |
| rocky_g | Thansk all! | 22:04 |
| rocky_g | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 22:04:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-01-27-21.05.html | 22:04 |
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| JRobinson__ | Good morning o/ The user guide team meeting is set to begin here in about 15 minutes. | 23:15 |
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| JRobinson__ | Alright, let's begin | 23:30 |
| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 23:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 23:31:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:31 |
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| JRobinson__ | The agenda is a short one, like late last year | 23:31 |
| JRobinson__ | Three items to get through | 23:31 |
| JRobinson__ | First, some role call time - who's hear for the user guide meeting today | 23:32 |
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| JRobinson__ | Alright then onto the agenda | 23:35 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Collaborated with Murano, Trove, Sahara, and Magento | 23:36 |
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| JRobinson__ | Last year there was some contact with the docs liasons of these four teams. | 23:36 |
| JRobinson__ | #action Contact and follow up new content for administrators in the User Guides | 23:36 |
| JRobinson__ | #action delegate contact with these teams | 23:37 |
| JRobinson__ | That was the only point for collaboration at the moment. | 23:37 |
| JRobinson__ | There have been no big changes since last year except for one Trove related patch to the Cloud Admin Guide | 23:37 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Information Architecture for the Guide | 23:38 |
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| JRobinson__ | Following patches to combined guide content, some of IA at the heading level is a bit confusing and unclear | 23:38 |
| JRobinson__ | after more content is combined together, a review of the IA at the heading level would not go amiss here | 23:38 |
| JRobinson__ | #action schedule a review of IA content on the combined guides with User Guide team | 23:39 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Contact the mailing list | 23:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | Some contributors have expressed an interest in contributing to the User Guide Reworking. | 23:39 |
| JRobinson__ | The action here is to follow up with them. | 23:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | #action Follow up with contributors interested in working on the User Guide reorg | 23:40 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic open discussion | 23:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | That was all for the meeting. If there are no futher topics I'll close this down | 23:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | Alright, thanks everyone o/ | 23:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 23:42 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-01-27-23.31.html | 23:42 |
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