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| banix | #startmeeting | 03:00 |
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| openstack | banix: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 03:00 |
| fawadkhaliq | oops | 03:00 |
| banix | #startmeeting kuryr | 03:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 03:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is banix. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 03:00 |
| baohua | :) | 03:00 |
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| banix | hi everybody | 03:00 |
| baohua | good everning banix~ | 03:00 |
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| fawadkhaliq | hi | 03:01 |
| tfukushima | Hi guys. | 03:01 |
| banix | hi fawadkhaliq baohua tfukushima | 03:01 |
| banix | Agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kuryr#Agenda | 03:01 |
| banix | #topic IPAM | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IPAM (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:02 | |
| banix | I don’t see vikasc around | 03:02 |
| banix | I think we are in a pretty good shape after most of atches got merged and some bugs got fixed | 03:02 |
| tfukushima | Nice. | 03:03 |
| baohua | +1 | 03:03 |
| tfukushima | Has anyone tried it actually? | 03:04 |
| banix | We will revisit if vikas shows up; otherwise let’s move on unless there are questions/comments | 03:04 |
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| banix | tfukushima: Yes I have been testing it | 03:04 |
| baohua | i am trying it yesterday, works roughly | 03:04 |
| tfukushima | Ok. | 03:05 |
| banix | I think we still need to work on cleanup | 03:05 |
| baohua | some little privilege problem, need discussed later | 03:05 |
| banix | baohua: if you see any problems, please open a bug on launchpad | 03:05 |
| baohua | sure :) | 03:05 |
| banix | Let us make sure if there are problems we all know about it and track it through filing bugs | 03:05 |
| banix | #topic testing | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testing (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:06 | |
| banix | baohua: do you want to comment | 03:06 |
| banix | tell us where we are on that front | 03:06 |
| baohua | yes, i'm adding the fullstack testing case, please help review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265105 | 03:06 |
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| baohua | and, seems gate server cannot pull down docker images. | 03:06 |
| baohua | we need that image for the fullstack testing | 03:07 |
| banix | what does the fullstack test do? | 03:07 |
| baohua | also, i am looking at the rally part. | 03:07 |
| banix | Fullstack test #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265105 | 03:07 |
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| baohua | the fullstack testing is actually calling docker api to start container | 03:07 |
| baohua | and running real-case operations like net-create/delete, port-bind/unbind | 03:08 |
| baohua | this can make sure the kuryr works well in real deployment | 03:08 |
| banix | you mean join/leave? | 03:08 |
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| baohua | yes, instance join/leave | 03:08 |
| banix | and the issue is you dont have access to docker binary? | 03:08 |
| baohua | from http://logs.openstack.org/05/265105/3/check/gate-kuryr-dsvm-fullstack-nv/25e9ab6/console.html | 03:09 |
| baohua | seems the issue is pulling images failure | 03:09 |
| baohua | docker.errors.NotFound: 404 Client Error: Not Found ("No such image: busybox:latest") | 03:10 |
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| banix | so the issue is not being able to access the image | 03:10 |
| baohua | yes, we might ask the gate maintaine team for help. | 03:10 |
| banix | yes pls ask on infra channel | 03:11 |
| baohua | sure, and will trigger recheck for sure | 03:11 |
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| baohua | recently the gate testing is not that stable | 03:11 |
| banix | is it possible to use an image we have locally? | 03:12 |
| banix | I mean as an alternative, if you have the image can you use it at the gate? | 03:12 |
| baohua | u mean adding a local image inside the code repo? | 03:12 |
| baohua | i guess the gate server should have external network access. | 03:12 |
| banix | I see… wouldn’t be ideal but you can make progress for testing…. but first lets ask infra | 03:13 |
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| baohua | sure, will also consider your suggestion, thanks banix | 03:13 |
| banix | baohua: np. Can you please tell us about Rally tests? | 03:14 |
| baohua | oh, i have not much update on rally test, please ask gal about that | 03:14 |
| banix | baohua: ok. | 03:15 |
| banix | Any questions regarding testing? | 03:15 |
| banix | #topic Magnum Integration | 03:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Magnum Integration (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:16 | |
| banix | fawadkhaliq: has put out a spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269039/ | 03:16 |
| banix | Haven’t been able to review yet unfortunately. | 03:16 |
| banix | fawadkhaliq: can you give us an update? What do we need on the Kuryr side? What’s going on on the Neutron side? | 03:17 |
| fawadkhaliq | banix: sure | 03:17 |
| fawadkhaliq | the idea is to leverage the VLAN aware VMs from Neutron | 03:18 |
| banix | is there progress on that front? | 03:18 |
| fawadkhaliq | and introduce the notion of port in the container API | 03:18 |
| fawadkhaliq | banix: not really :( | 03:18 |
| banix | so VLAN aware VMs is not something that is bening worked on actively? | 03:19 |
| fawadkhaliq | Nova instances managed by Magnum would launch a Kuryr agent inside the Nova instances | 03:19 |
| banix | sorry for interruption pls go ahead | 03:19 |
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| fawadkhaliq | the agent will be responsible for veth creation as per the COE model, ip assignment and VLAN tagging etc | 03:19 |
| fawadkhaliq | Kuryr would have two roles, the agent part and the VLAN allocation engine | 03:20 |
| fawadkhaliq | Magnum will utilize these modules in to plug Neutron networks to container it would launch. | 03:20 |
| fawadkhaliq | Based on the VLAN aware VMs implementation, each Neutron backend can have a logic to handle it. | 03:21 |
| fawadkhaliq | So overall the solution would be vendor neutral works for all kind of design | 03:21 |
| fawadkhaliq | more details in the spec :) | 03:21 |
| fawadkhaliq | And coming to the progress part of VLAN aware VMs | 03:21 |
| banix | thanks fawadkhaliq. All please review | 03:22 |
| baohua | fawadkhaliq, before reviewing the spec, a quick question. are both the vm and the inside container using neutron for connectivity? both are endpoints managed for neutron? | 03:22 |
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| fawadkhaliq | its not being actively looked at, unfortunately. We shall have some discussions there. Goal for Mitaka is to complete the design for this in Kuryr. | 03:22 |
| fawadkhaliq | baohua: that's correct, everything on Neutron | 03:23 |
| banix | #action review c #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269039/ for the Magnum integration spec | 03:23 |
| baohua | ok, thanks, will review it | 03:23 |
| fawadkhaliq | banix: baohua: thank you | 03:23 |
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| banix | @fawadkhaliq so is there anyone working on VMLAN aware VMs? | 03:23 |
| banix | I mean those who put out the spec, are they working on it? | 03:24 |
| fawadkhaliq | banix: last I checked recently, no one is looking at it. I will drive some discussions around importance of that spec and maybe we can get some help | 03:24 |
| banix | fawadkhaliq: great. thanks. | 03:25 |
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| banix | #topic Kubernetes Integration | 03:25 |
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| banix | We plan to have a meeting for discussing the CNI tomorrow (or today if it is alreay tomorrow for you :) ) | 03:26 |
| banix | it will be on the openstack-kuryr channel at 15:00 UTC | 03:26 |
| banix | The main issue is that CNI as of now don’t care for supporting/utilizing libnetwork | 03:27 |
| banix | The question becomes how we support CNI within the Kuryr project | 03:27 |
| banix | The time of the meeting is not great for the folks from the West coast of the US | 03:28 |
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| banix | tfukushima: and company have been investigating this | 03:28 |
| banix | irenab: and tony have also given this some thought | 03:29 |
| banix | tfukushima: will you be able to attend the meeting? | 03:29 |
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| tfukushima | Unfortunately, it's 0am for me so I unlikely attend. | 03:29 |
| banix | unless there are questions we can leave this topic for the meeting coming up in 12 hours or so | 03:30 |
| banix | tfukushima: i understand | 03:30 |
| tfukushima | But I shared some knowledge and experiences with Irena and Tony, so they know what I know basically. | 03:30 |
| tfukushima | The models of libnetwork and CNI are different and we would need to think about to refactor the current code. | 03:30 |
| banix | so looking at the model, do you see any chance CNI could be implemented through libnetwork? | 03:31 |
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| banix | I mean the add and delete could be implemented through join and leave with some out of band create networks, etc | 03:31 |
| banix | i have a tough time seeing it done that way but we dont want to overlook that possibility | 03:32 |
| tfukushima | In my opinion, it's not reasonable. They are totally different in terms of the API interface and it's better to think them separately in practice. | 03:32 |
| banix | tfukushima: yeah, that leads us to somewhat different implementations | 03:33 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: +1 | 03:33 |
| banix | ok lets talk more in that meeting | 03:33 |
| banix | fawadkhaliq: you can make the meeting at 7am your time? | 03:33 |
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| fawadkhaliq | I will be there | 03:33 |
| banix | great | 03:33 |
| banix | hope to get the rest of the team as well | 03:34 |
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| banix | baohua and others | 03:34 |
| banix | #topic Packaging and Kolla | 03:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Packaging and Kolla (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:34 | |
| baohua | 11pm for me, and will try to be there :) | 03:34 |
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| banix | Have to check with Toni wrt packaging; does anyone know about the packaging work? | 03:34 |
| banix | I know Hui Kang has been working on Kola for Kuryr. I will ask him to participate in the next meeting and give us an update. I think we should have that working pretty soon. | 03:35 |
| banix | #topic Bugs | 03:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:35 | |
| banix | I have started looking at our bug list and triage them. We as a group haven’t been using launchpad for tracking bugs and following up on the fixes | 03:37 |
| banix | So please file bugs when you encounter them and pick any you think you can resolve | 03:37 |
| banix | There is one bug in particular on teh agenda: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kuryr/+bug/1516539 | 03:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516539 in kuryr "failed to start Docker container with network created by kuryr" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Baohua Yang (yangbaohua) | 03:37 |
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| baohua | yes, the bug is reported last year, and i can repeat it with latest code. i dig out and find the cause is the privilege. | 03:38 |
| banix | baohua: you have mentioned that this has to do with Kuryr requiring ro be run as root. | 03:38 |
| banix | So this is a somewhat seriou problem we have right now | 03:38 |
| tfukushima | I found "1. create network: sudo docker network create --driver=kuryr foo" was missing --ipam-driver=kuryr as well. | 03:38 |
| baohua | if we run with root, then it's ok. if without root, then bug happens | 03:38 |
| baohua | this can repeat with --ipam-driver=kuryr | 03:39 |
| baohua | the cause is when using pyroute to create interface, we need high privilege | 03:39 |
| banix | baohua: can you check with toni, tfukushima mentioned in an earlier meeting that toni had some ideas about resolving this requirement | 03:39 |
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| baohua | ok, his irc name is toni? | 03:40 |
| banix | #action baohua to coordinate with apuimedo to address the requirement to run Kuryr as root | 03:40 |
| tfukushima | baohua: His nickname is apuimedo. | 03:40 |
| baohua | ok.... | 03:40 |
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| baohua | got this toni, sorry | 03:41 |
| banix | please keep us posted baohua | 03:41 |
| banix | moving on | 03:41 |
| banix | #topic Moving to the big tent | 03:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Moving to the big tent (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:42 | |
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| banix | gsagie will be working on introducing patches needed to move under the big tent | 03:42 |
| banix | I think that’s the next step for us as we get our house in shape and cleaned up | 03:42 |
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| fawadkhaliq | banix: very nice! | 03:43 |
| banix | #topic Open Discussion | 03:43 |
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| banix | Any topic to discuss here? | 03:43 |
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| banix | alright everybody; thanks for joining and see you all next time and on IRC | 03:44 |
| baohua | thanks :) | 03:44 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks | 03:44 |
| fawadkhaliq | bye | 03:44 |
| banix | #endmeeting | 03:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:45 | |
| tfukushima | Thank you guys. | 03:45 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 03:45:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-01-26-03.00.html | 03:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-01-26-03.00.txt | 03:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-01-26-03.00.log.html | 03:45 |
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| flaper87 | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita, mclaren, dhellmann, jokke_,kragniz | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance Drivers | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 13:59:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 13:59 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 13:59 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 13:59 |
| * kragniz lurks | 14:00 | |
| flaper87 | (this is another reason why I don't think the drivers team should stick around) | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | kragniz being around, that is | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | KIDDIIIIING | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | :) | 14:00 |
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| jokke_ | need to move it to closed invite only channel :P | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | It was just cores where that kind of operations were banned, right? | 14:01 |
| * flaper87 will create a glance-supersecret channel | 14:01 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: yeah | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | anyway | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | #topic Dismiss the glance-drivers team: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084562.html | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dismiss the glance-drivers team: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084562.html (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| flaper87 | ^ that's a thing | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | I mentioned I was going to bring a more structured proposal | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | looks like no negative feedback | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | well, I don't have one </joke> | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | Yeah | 14:01 |
| nikhil | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | Here's the plan (i'll write it down on an email) | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | #1) Merge the drivers meeting into glance's meeting | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | #2 Dismiss the driver's team and give glance-cores +2 on specs | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | #3 Work on a better distribution for specs reviewers | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | Unlike code patches, we should have at least 1 core assigned per spec as main reviewer | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | sounds good :) | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | That way, the core can bring feedback, request other cores to chime in, etc | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | Like everything else, this is a volunteers job | 14:03 |
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| flaper87 | Not all cores are *requested* to review specs | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | but it'd be awesome | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | thoughts? | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | I know Brian is not core but we'll fix that | 14:04 |
| kragniz | that all sounds like an improvement on what we currently have | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | should make things move faster | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | ah, forgot | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | Let's keep +A on specs for PTLs for now | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | we can vote, but I think everyone is agree | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | yes | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | common sense required, no need to have any weird rule on gerrit | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | Like, if you're core, don't approve specs | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | ok | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | cool | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | if ppl are happy, I'm unhappy | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | </joke> | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | glad you folks liked the plan | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | anything else? Shall we move on? | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | we need to try finally document all this as well then | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy to do that | 14:06 |
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| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | We now have a contributors guidelines | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | will add it there | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | good place | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | sounds good to me | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269965/ (rosmaita) | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269965/ (rosmaita) (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:07 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269965/ | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: go crazy | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | it's a proposal to add fuzzy search to the api | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | for image names, iirc | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | traditionally we haven't wanted to allow api calls that could cause full table scans | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | plus, there's Searchlight now | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | mmh, sounds like something one should use searchlight for | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | but wondering what current team thinks | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | I think I'm still on that page | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | especially now that we have searchlight | 14:09 |
| nikhil | since it's just image name I think the DB hit is relatively small | 14:09 |
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| rosmaita | nikhil: but it's the thin end of the wedge | 14:09 |
| nikhil | of course we will need to mandate pagination on the filter | 14:09 |
| nikhil | yeah true | 14:10 |
| nikhil | I personally don't like the idea of fuzzy match on CHAR values | 14:10 |
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| * flaper87 thikns that's what search engines w/ better index algorithms are fore | 14:10 | |
| * rosmaita agrees with flaper87 | 14:10 | |
| flaper87 | for, even | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | is there a spec for that? | 14:11 |
| nikhil | oh, for a moment I thought it had a spec | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | I just see the code | 14:11 |
| nikhil | flaper87: exactly what I thought | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | i don't think there's a spec | 14:11 |
| nikhil | would love to know the requirement source of this | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | just blueprint | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | ok, so, let's gently reject the code patch | 14:11 |
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| rosmaita | nikhil: something for horizon | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: want to do that? (since you brought it up?) otherwise, I'll do it | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | i can do it | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | I can take the blame if other want's to keep the nice cop reputation ;) | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: awesome, thanks | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me! | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | haha ... rosmaita you got it ;) | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: I said we need to reject it "gently" | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:12 |
| nikhil | take a informed decision | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i will tell him to contact jokke_ if he's got a problem wid it | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | hahahahaha | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: sounds good to me | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | I can be nice and polite then | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: to your standards | 14:13 |
| * flaper87 hugs jokke_ | 14:13 | |
| flaper87 | so | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | anything else? | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | should we move on? | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | I take that as a yes | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | but there are no other topics | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:15 | |
| flaper87 | tl;dr: This is our last drivers meeting | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | I'll proceed to remove it from the meetings schedule and send an email out | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | thanks everyone | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | have a good one | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:15 | |
| jokke_ | thanks! | 14:15 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 14:15:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2016/glance_drivers.2016-01-26-13.59.html | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2016/glance_drivers.2016-01-26-13.59.txt | 14:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2016/glance_drivers.2016-01-26-13.59.log.html | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | bye | 14:15 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 16:01:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | dougwig: xgerman courtesy ping | 16:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:02 |
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| mugsie | #action Items from last week | 16:02 |
| mugsie | there was no IRC meeting, as we were in Seattle | 16:02 |
| johnsom | mugsie I hope you don't get this darn cold. I'm pretty sure RAX shared with me | 16:02 |
| mugsie | johnsom: I just have jetlag to deal with :( | 16:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 16:02 |
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| mugsie | So, any thoughts, or questions? | 16:03 |
| mugsie | jmcbride1: I saw your email - it is in my "to reply to" list right now | 16:03 |
| johnsom | It looks like we have one patchset still out for review. | 16:03 |
| mugsie | yeah, that is mins patch that was started last week | 16:03 |
| johnsom | However, there are two with the same title. What is the story there? | 16:03 |
| mugsie | there was confusion with a rebase | 16:03 |
| mugsie | so I uploaded a new one as a demo | 16:04 |
| johnsom | Oh, ok. | 16:04 |
| mugsie | I didnt want to mess up any local changes min may have had | 16:04 |
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| mugsie | dougwig: how are you getting on with the Pecan stuff? | 16:05 |
| mugsie | I should be pushing the engine class base in a bit | 16:05 |
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| johnsom | Ok, cool | 16:05 |
| mugsie | so want a place for input to come from :) | 16:06 |
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| johnsom | As you saw, I have plenty of input for you.... grin | 16:06 |
| mugsie | :D | 16:07 |
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| mugsie | well, keep it coming - we do need to improve the speed of reviews | 16:07 |
| mugsie | anything else? | 16:08 |
| mugsie | or do people want time back? | 16:08 |
| johnsom | Agreed. I will try to keep on it. Feel free to poke me too | 16:08 |
| mugsie | will do | 16:08 |
| mugsie | ok then | 16:08 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 16:09:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-01-26-16.01.html | 16:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-01-26-16.01.txt | 16:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2016/kosmos.2016-01-26-16.01.log.html | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 17:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | Hi Tackers ! | 17:00 |
| bobh | o/ | 17:00 |
| tbh | o/ | 17:00 |
| sripriya | o/ | 17:00 |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | all heavy hitters here ;-) | 17:01 |
| santoshk | Hi | 17:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets starts... | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 17:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Jan_26.2C_2016 | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcement | 17:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | Midcycle is just few days away ... | 17:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-mitaka-midcycle | 17:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | Looking forward for some good discussions... | 17:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | I propose to skip next week's weekly irc mtg ... | 17:03 |
| sridhar_ram | what do you all think ? | 17:03 |
| bobh | ok with me | 17:03 |
| sripriya | fine with me | 17:03 |
| tbh | okay with me | 17:04 |
| vishwanathj_ | fine by me as well | 17:04 |
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| santoshk | +1 | 17:04 |
| sridhar_ram | .. canceled then! | 17:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Midcycle Meetup Agenda | 17:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | I've like to firm up the Agenda .. | 17:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | Bob you will be remote, we will start with your TOSCA related subject... | 17:05 |
| bobh | ok | 17:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: so, do you have some material - diagrams or slides to set some context ? | 17:06 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I'll put something together and post a link | 17:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: sounds good, google doc is better as it is shareable ... | 17:07 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: ok | 17:07 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: I saw your email .. | 17:07 |
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| zeih_ | hi Tackers | 17:08 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: is timing the issue ? if needed we can let you go first thing in the morning ... | 17:08 |
| sridhar_ram | zeih_: howdy! | 17:08 |
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| tbh | I am unable to attend meetup sridhar_ram, | 17:09 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, no we have night shifts for this week | 17:09 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: understood..no worries | 17:09 |
| sridhar_ram | we will still run though auto-creation in the agenda for any general discussion... | 17:10 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, so I just put whatever in my mind in the mail | 17:10 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure | 17:10 |
| sridhar_ram | zeih_: are you planning to attend (virtually) midcycle meeting ? | 17:10 |
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| zeih_ | sridhar_ram: yes, part time | 17:11 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: lets briefly discuss that later in this mtg | 17:11 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, okay | 17:11 |
| zeih_ | sridhar_ram: due to time zones | 17:11 |
| sridhar_ram | zeih_: understood... that something we need to sample / get data in this meeting .. our developer community's availability.. | 17:12 |
| sridhar_ram | zeih_: you in european tz ? | 17:12 |
| zeih_ | sridhar_ram: yes | 17:12 |
| sridhar_ram | alright... any other midcycle related thoughts / questions ? | 17:13 |
| prashantD | hi sridhar, prashant | 17:13 |
| prashantD | is there still interest in scaling? | 17:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | prashantD: hi there.. long time! | 17:13 |
| sridhar_ram | prashantD: in fact, we do.. | 17:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | prashantD: there is some renewed interest in auto-scalling.. | 17:14 |
| sridhar_ram | prashantD: we might need to put that back into our active roadmap... | 17:14 |
| sridhar_ram | prashantD: are you planning to attend the midcycle later this week ? | 17:14 |
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| prashantD | oh okay, yes I will stopby | 17:14 |
| zeih_ | sridhar_ram: prashantD: from my operator perspective very interesting ;) | 17:14 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:15 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: hi there... | 17:15 |
| s3wong | sorry, joining late | 17:15 |
| prashantD | zeih any use case on auto-scaling would help us | 17:16 |
| sridhar_ram | prashantD: all: if you are planning to attend midcycle part-time (i.e a portion of the two day) - please let me know the time slots.. | 17:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | all: if you are planning to attend midcycle part-time (i.e a portion of the two day) - please let me know the time slots.. | 17:16 |
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| zeih_ | prashantD: sure | 17:17 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: it will be great if are present F2F for the service-chaining discussion | 17:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: we can adjsut the agenda items accordingly... | 17:17 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: it is currently scheduled to be Thurs afternoon? | 17:18 |
| sridhar_ram | yep | 17:18 |
| brucet | Sorry I'm late | 17:18 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I should be able to accommodate | 17:18 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I will come by | 17:19 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: great.. | 17:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | again.. the theme is Day1 for current things in flight.. | 17:19 |
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| brucet | Was there a discussion on remote attendance? | 17:19 |
| sridhar_ram | Day2 for evolution of tacker beyond Mitaka | 17:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | brucet: yes, I've a webex link now in the etherpad.. | 17:20 |
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| brucet | OK. Perfect | 17:20 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: great --- the rest of the time I will be remotely dialed in | 17:20 |
| sridhar_ram | it seems we have an even split between physical and virtual | 17:21 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: sounds good | 17:21 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else related to midcycle ? | 17:21 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on... | 17:21 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Auto Image Creation | 17:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh just sent an email on this .. #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084979.html | 17:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'm wondering if we need to split out image handling into a separate RFE / spec | 17:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | as part of the multi-site spec review, we were thinking about how image handling would work... | 17:24 |
| vishwanathj_ | tbh, just read your email, good suggestion and approach | 17:24 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, not sure, but if we move image creation to vnf deployment, then we can follow the same steps for all resources | 17:25 |
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| tbh | vishwanathj_, :) | 17:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: sripriya: how would that work w/ multisite ? | 17:26 |
| sripriya | tbh: basically the same workflow as before as you do not need to maintain any state now for all 3 resources | 17:26 |
| * sridhar_ram thinks it would work just fine :) | 17:27 | |
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| vishwanathj_ | the VNFD will have to association of what resources have been created on each of the VIMs | 17:27 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: in multisite case, the common implementation would be to share a centralized image repository but we need to think through it | 17:27 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: true, that's a bigger set of capability - for another time :) | 17:28 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, sridhar_ram yes, we don't need to maintain state for templates | 17:28 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: but as per tbh's spec, it would create glance images on each of these VIMs | 17:28 |
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| sripriya | assuming glance image create is deferred to VNF create time ( 3rd apporach) | 17:29 |
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| sripriya | if the glance image needs to be resolved at VNFD create time, we will have to decide how to resolve | 17:29 |
| sridhar_ram | vnf-create pseudocode -- if vnfd already has glance image uuid, all is well.. if not download / upload to glance and stick the glance uuid to VNFD and proceed to instantiate ? | 17:29 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes | 17:30 |
| sripriya | yes | 17:30 |
| sridhar_ram | we need a dictionary of glance uuid for all VDUs in a VNFD | 17:30 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes we have to maintain a dict for all resources | 17:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | we also need a new VNF state "DOWNLOADING_IMAGE" | 17:30 |
| bobh | can we use a unique image name that is the same across all VIMs? | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | ..... are perhaps "PREPARING_IMAGE" | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: good point, if we store uuid that doesn't gel well for multi-site | 17:31 |
| vishwanathj_ | sridhar_ram, tbh, is the plan to use glance for downloading the image or use Heat Flavor rsource? | 17:32 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, why don't we continue with same states, but if fails, we will store error reason like "image upload failed" ? | 17:32 |
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| vishwanathj_ | tbh, +1 | 17:32 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: that could work for near term | 17:32 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj_: I'd suggest to use glance direct... | 17:33 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj_: Tacker would need more image-management capabilities down the line.. | 17:33 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, vishwanathj_ I think we use native clients and use respective uuid in heat | 17:33 |
| sridhar_ram | ... with ETSI Image mgmt / upgrade in mind | 17:34 |
| vishwanathj_ | I see | 17:34 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, oh okay | 17:34 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, but that states exists if the VNF is deployed for the first time? | 17:34 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: sripriya: have you thought about how this solution would work for multisite ? | 17:35 |
| brucet | I believe I mentioned this in last meeting. Tricircle supports multi site image management. | 17:35 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, .. because for the next VNF deployment for same VNFD, the states may not be valid, as images are already uploaded | 17:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | brucet: okay.. that could help when we need to do more in this area. we need to restrict to something simple for now | 17:36 |
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| brucet | My point is simply to find out how Tricircle is doing this and either borrow code or implement somethingcompatible | 17:36 |
| sripriya | tbh: bear in mind, we will use the same VNFD for multiple sites, if that image is not yet uploaded on that particular VIM it should still show that satte | 17:36 |
| sripriya | state* | 17:36 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: true, some states are not applicable for the 2nd time around | 17:36 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: sure.. | 17:37 |
| tbh | sripriya, got it | 17:37 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: overall I like the approach you are suggested, lot simpler than mucking around to make VNFD creation stateful... | 17:38 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: probably we should maintain the state as PENDING_CREATE but along with that display at what stage of CREATE it is like a simple log info | 17:38 |
| sripriya | similar to HEAT api | 17:38 |
| tbh | sripriya, yeah that would be better | 17:39 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: just think through how that solution would gel into multisite... perhaps use "image name" based index as bobh alluded .. | 17:39 |
| tbh | sripriya, some thing like stack_status_reason | 17:39 |
| sripriya | tbh: yes | 17:39 |
| sripriya | that way we dont need to bother about maintaining states at diff. times | 17:39 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure | 17:39 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, I think going with name will be helpful, as we reffering from VNFD directly | 17:40 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: tbh: sounds good to me .. for near term. we might need to come back to enhance states at a later time.. | 17:40 |
| brucet | Is the plan that multi site controller will be stateless?? | 17:40 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: sripriya: meanwhile please look at tricircle if there are any solutions / code to borrow (I'll do the same) | 17:41 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure | 17:41 |
| sripriya | brucet: it is stateless for now, | 17:41 |
| brucet | Exactly. An important lesson l;earned from first implementation of Tricircle is that multi site controller should be stateless as far as underlyign OpenStack instances are concerned. | 17:41 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: will look into it | 17:41 |
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| brucet | <sripriya> Great | 17:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | brucet: good input! | 17:42 |
| brucet | Thx | 17:43 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: anything to discuss on this subject ? | 17:43 |
| sridhar_ram | *anything else | 17:43 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, I think we can do the same for all resources? | 17:43 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: what you mean ? | 17:43 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, I mean same procedure, as mentioned in mail | 17:44 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, for example... | 17:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: for flavor and network I thought mapping to Heat resource is the natural way to do it... | 17:44 |
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| tbh | for networks, we create the networks at vnf creation time and store those UUIDs as dict and reuse | 17:44 |
| * sridhar_ram reminds that is the next agenda item | 17:44 | |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: hold that thought for a sec .. we will circle back after TOSCA parser discussion | 17:45 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic TOSCA parser integration | 17:45 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure | 17:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: congrats on landing TOSCA NFV profile into tosca-parser ! | 17:46 |
| sridhar_ram | W00T!! | 17:46 |
| vishwanathj_ | +1 | 17:46 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: thanks! | 17:46 |
| sripriya | bobh: congrats | 17:46 |
| tbh | bobh, congrats | 17:46 |
| sridhar_ram | this is significant, IMO.. we are now course correctly at the right direction.. | 17:46 |
| sridhar_ram | *correcting | 17:47 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: now, how do you see the wiring going to happen into tacker | 17:47 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I'm working to fix a couple of issues we found in tosca-parser and heat-translator - should be available soon | 17:47 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I see.. | 17:48 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: I'm working on an "overlay" of the Tacker attributes onto the VDU definition | 17:48 |
| brucet | <bobh> Is the thinking that the Heat template generated by the translator will be directly usable to instantiate a VNF? | 17:48 |
| vishwanathj_ | bobh, would this change any of the attributes in the tacker VNFD template? | 17:48 |
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| bobh | brucet: That's the hope. Tacker will need to "prune" some attributes out of the ToscaTemplate object before passing it to heat-translator but the results of the translator should be usable in Heat | 17:49 |
| brucet | <bobh> That makes sense to me | 17:50 |
| bobh | vishwanathj_: The TOSCA templates will have a different version and format but I'm trying to maintain all of the functionality between the two formats | 17:50 |
| brucet | <vishwanathj> How is a Tacker VNFD template related to a Tocsa NFV template? | 17:50 |
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| bobh | Tacker will use the "version" attribute of the template (which doesn't exist in the template today) to determine that it needs to run through the tosca-parser and heat-translator | 17:51 |
| bobh | there will be a Tacker imports file that will add the additional properties needed by tacker onto the existing VDU/CP/etc ibjects | 17:51 |
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| bobh | after tosca-parser generates a ToscaTemplate object, Tacker will need to retrieve all of it's custom information, for monitoring, etc, and prune it out of the object before passing it to the Translator to create the Heat template | 17:52 |
| vishwanathj_ | bobh, I see, sort of makes sense, thanks for the explanation | 17:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: cool, in this case it should prune image related stuff out as well, that something tbh's code need to kick in to handle | 17:53 |
| bobh | I found an issue where heat-translator does not allow you to specify a flavor or image directly today - that's a problem, but I have a patchset submitted to allow it and Sahdev has agreed to the change | 17:53 |
| brucet | <bobh> So Tosca NFV template will drive Heat and other Tack subsystems? | 17:53 |
| bobh | brucet: yes, that's the plan | 17:54 |
| brucet | Then how is Tacker VNFD template related? What does it do? | 17:54 |
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| bobh | The Tacker VNFD template will now contain the TOSCA NFV yaml instead of the custom-Tacker-yaml format that we use today | 17:54 |
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| brucet | Ah.......... | 17:55 |
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| bobh | we'll maintain backward compatibility for at least one release, but I think we should move completely to TOSCA ASAP | 17:55 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: totally agree! | 17:55 |
| zeih_ | +1 | 17:55 |
| brucet | OK. So there is an existing Tacker template format that will be subsumed by Tosca NFV Template | 17:55 |
| bobh | we can do POlicies, Artifacts, lifecycle, etc | 17:55 |
| bobh | brucet: yes | 17:55 |
| brucet | Got it. Thx | 17:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: please code in a "deprecated" warning right away :) | 17:56 |
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| bobh | brucet: and we will drive some of the things that Tacker needs for implementation northbound into the spec | 17:56 |
| * sridhar_ram 4 mins left in the clock | 17:56 | |
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| prashantD | bobh : scaling will require additional changes? | 17:56 |
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| bobh | brucet: since the NFV spec as it sits today is not very implementable | 17:56 |
| brucet | Now I am seeing the forest through the trees. Thx greatly bobh | 17:56 |
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| brucet | OK | 17:57 |
| bobh | prashantD: scaling will require policy defintions, and server implementation, but should be possible | 17:57 |
| bobh | brucet: np | 17:57 |
| sridhar_ram | "overlay" that bobh mentions would be our playground for new features... | 17:57 |
| bobh | i'll try to have something "sort of" working or at least documented by Thursday | 17:57 |
| sridhar_ram | .. we should plan to push them back into TOSCA NFV profile as a follow on | 17:57 |
| bobh | working might be a stretch | 17:57 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: that would be great.. | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: .. an helloworld always helps | 17:58 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: exactly what I'm working on :-) | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | lets wrap it up for today... | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 17:59 |
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| zeih_ | sridhar_ram: could we try to push them in TOSCA NFV profile in parallel? | 17:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | again, no irc meeting next Tuesday... | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | zeih_: absolutely... | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | zeih_: .. that's the plan | 17:59 |
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| zeih_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/telecoms-and-nfv/ | 17:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | zeih_: that's a good whitepaper.. Tacker is heavily mentioned | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | times up | 18:00 |
| zeih_ | nice report | 18:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | see you most of you in midcycle | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 18:00:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| zeih_ | have a nice day | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-01-26-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-01-26-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| zeih_ | bye | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-01-26-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| s3wong | thanks, bye! | 18:00 |
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