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flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k | 13:59 |
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flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 13:59 |
flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:59 |
flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance | 13:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 13:59:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 13:59 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 13:59 |
hemanthm | o/ | 13:59 |
flaper87 | o. | 13:59 |
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dshakhray | o/ | 13:59 |
* flaper87 wonders where the rest of the team is | 14:00 | |
* flaper87 shakes the IRC's undergrounds | 14:00 | |
kragniz | o/ | 14:00 |
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flaper87 | I'll give a couple of more minutes to see if we reach quorum | 14:01 |
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flaper87 | otherwise, we'll skip the meeting this week (unless folks here have urgent matters to discuss) | 14:01 |
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rosmaita | o/ | 14:02 |
flaper87 | tic toc | 14:02 |
flaper87 | tic toc | 14:02 |
flaper87 | rosmaita: oh-hey | 14:02 |
avarner | o/ | 14:02 |
kairat | o/ | 14:02 |
rosmaita | flaper87: greetings and salutations from Blacksburg, VA, USA! | 14:02 |
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nikhil | o/ | 14:03 |
flaper87 | rosmaita: oh man, Blacksburg. I've never been there but I've heard it's pretty much in the middle of n.o.w.h.e.r.e | 14:03 |
flaper87 | :D | 14:03 |
flaper87 | nikhil knows better | 14:03 |
flaper87 | :D | 14:03 |
rosmaita | flaper87: it's definitely somewhere ... just not easy to get to | 14:04 |
nikhil | haha | 14:04 |
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flaper87 | Not sure it's worse than Nebraska but close enough | 14:04 |
flaper87 | :P | 14:04 |
nikhil | it's in the middle | 14:04 |
mfedosin | o/ | 14:04 |
mfedosin | hey | 14:04 |
flaper87 | ok, let's start | 14:04 |
flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 14:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:04 | |
flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:04 |
flaper87 | (please put names next to topics) | 14:04 |
nikhil | middle of quite a few things but nothing close by | 14:04 |
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flaper87 | #topic Updates | 14:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:05 | |
flaper87 | #undo | 14:05 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9805b10> | 14:05 |
flaper87 | #topic Artifacts Updates | 14:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Artifacts Updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:05 | |
flaper87 | #chair nikhil | 14:05 |
openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 nikhil | 14:05 |
flaper87 | #chair rosmaita | 14:05 |
openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 nikhil rosmaita | 14:05 |
flaper87 | in case my network breaks | 14:05 |
nikhil | ack | 14:05 |
flaper87 | mfedosin nikhil news on artifacts ? | 14:05 |
mfedosin | I wrote a router for new glare public api | 14:06 |
mfedosin | but now it's blocked by Alex patch | 14:06 |
flaper87 | ok | 14:06 |
flaper87 | On tuesday, there seemed to be an intention of asking for a SFE for the glare API spec | 14:07 |
mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255274/ | 14:07 |
flaper87 | I haven't seen any email on the m-l and I asked one to be sent | 14:07 |
mfedosin | Also Alex wanted to write a message to ML about FFE | 14:07 |
flaper87 | Although there's a FastTrack in place, I think we should still follow the process | 14:07 |
flaper87 | and it's Thursday already | 14:07 |
* mclaren which reminds me... | 14:08 | |
flaper87 | This means no one will have enough time to actually read and comment on the spec | 14:08 |
flaper87 | mclaren: I was going to get to you in a bit... >.> | 14:08 |
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flaper87 | ok, the drivers team will do the best to provide enough feedbacks and reach consensus before the end of the week but I hope you understand it'll be difficult given the short time. | 14:09 |
flaper87 | anything else on artifacts? | 14:09 |
mfedosin | nothing | 14:10 |
flaper87 | #topic Drivers Updates | 14:10 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Drivers Updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:10 | |
flaper87 | There are not many updates this week. The SFE was extended and there are 3 more request (one email already sent, thanks kairat ) and 2 to come | 14:11 |
flaper87 | These are being evaluated and feedback will be provided before the end of this week | 14:11 |
flaper87 | As mentioned last week, the image import spec landed and there are still some changes in progress | 14:11 |
flaper87 | but the main plan is there | 14:11 |
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flaper87 | We'll be focusing more on reviewing spec lites in the upcoming weeks | 14:12 |
flaper87 | #topic Nova v1 -> v2 updates | 14:12 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Nova v1 -> v2 updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:12 | |
flaper87 | mfedosin :D | 14:12 |
mfedosin | we have 2 updates | 14:13 |
mfedosin | one is that all v1->v2 code has moved to glance client | 14:13 |
mfedosin | thanks Cyril for that | 14:13 |
mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266419/2 | 14:13 |
flaper87 | Awesome | 14:13 |
flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266419/2 | 14:14 |
mfedosin | and the second one - I started working on xenplugin | 14:14 |
flaper87 | folks, please, review ^ | 14:14 |
kairat | we need to merge this before client release | 14:14 |
mfedosin | here's the patch on review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266933/ | 14:14 |
flaper87 | That might be blocking part of the work in nova | 14:14 |
kairat | otherwise the work will be stopped | 14:14 |
flaper87 | kairat: yup, I'll hold off the client release until that lands | 14:14 |
mfedosin | agree with kairat | 14:14 |
mclaren | makes sense I think | 14:14 |
flaper87 | mfedosin: I talked to johnthetubaguy yday and he commented on your patches | 14:15 |
mfedosin | okay, I'll read | 14:15 |
flaper87 | There are a couple of concerns (xenplugin still one of them) w.r.t those patches | 14:15 |
mfedosin | xenplugin fails now, but I'm working on that | 14:15 |
flaper87 | it'd be super cool to address them and provide feedback | 14:15 |
flaper87 | some of those concerns are related to how this code is being tested | 14:16 |
mfedosin | just tempest. I suppose | 14:16 |
flaper87 | mfedosin: yes, I think. He summarized everything on the review | 14:16 |
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flaper87 | let me know if you need help on anything | 14:17 |
mfedosin | will read, thanks for pointing out | 14:17 |
flaper87 | anything else? | 14:17 |
* mfedosin hugs flaper87 | 14:17 | |
flaper87 | Summary: xenplugin is comming and ppl please review Cyril's patch on glanceclient. WE NEED IT :P | 14:17 |
* flaper87 stops yelling | 14:17 | |
* flaper87 hugs mfedosin back | 14:17 | |
* flaper87 can't type while hugging someone | 14:18 | |
flaper87 | ok | 14:18 |
flaper87 | #topic Artifacts Fast-Track: Next steps (flaper87) | 14:18 |
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flaper87 | Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 14:18 |
flaper87 | I was going to bring this up last week but there weren't enough folks from the artifacts team | 14:18 |
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flaper87 | TL;DR: I'd like to time box the FastTrack we have in place for Artifacts | 14:18 |
flaper87 | While I think it's been great and helpful, I believe it's, unintentionally, preventing folks from jumping into contributing to Glare | 14:19 |
flaper87 | The reason is that the work in Glare, I believe, hasn't been given the importance it deserves for whatever reason that I don't want to get into | 14:19 |
kairat | flaper87, why it should be time box | 14:20 |
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flaper87 | Therefore, I'd like us to (I should perhaps join the artifacts meeting next week) set a final date for the FastTrack | 14:20 |
kairat | maybe we can define the scope | 14:20 |
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flaper87 | for example, we'll remove the fasttrack at the end of mitaka | 14:20 |
flaper87 | One thing I'd also like to start doing in Glance, and this perhaps supersedes the need of a FastTrack is put in place a trust review model | 14:21 |
kairat | what happened if we won't merge anything useful before end of Mitaka | 14:21 |
flaper87 | That is, allow folks from the same company, teams, etc, to merge patches and trust the good faith of everyone | 14:21 |
mfedosin | fasttrack cannot go on forever. | 14:21 |
flaper87 | This is done in keystone and other teams and I believe it's a healthier model | 14:21 |
mfedosin | so, yeah, we need some transition date | 14:21 |
flaper87 | kairat: well, in that case, there's not much we can do. The rest will have to go through normal reviews | 14:22 |
flaper87 | The FastTrack has been around for almost 2 cycles already | 14:22 |
flaper87 | I'll send an email out to formalize this but I wanted to get feedback before I do that | 14:23 |
mfedosin | flaper87: do you know that artifacts meetings are at 5PM UTC? | 14:23 |
flaper87 | mfedosin: yes, I do | 14:23 |
mfedosin | not at 2 | 14:23 |
mfedosin | okay, will be glad to see you there | 14:23 |
flaper87 | It's just that mondays are not super ideal for me. That's the only reason I don't show up very often | 14:23 |
flaper87 | otherwise I'd always attend | 14:24 |
flaper87 | (sorry about that) | 14:24 |
flaper87 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway | 14:24 |
kairat | so regarding fast track | 14:24 |
flaper87 | kairat: shoot | 14:24 |
kairat | i have only one concern | 14:24 |
* flaper87 phew | 14:24 | |
flaper87 | good thing there are not many :P | 14:24 |
* flaper87 can deal with one | 14:24 | |
* flaper87 hopes | 14:24 | |
kairat | Perhaps it is reasonable to setup time box after spec merge | 14:24 |
* flaper87 stfu | 14:24 | |
kairat | I mean we can start working on that only after spec merge | 14:25 |
kairat | until then it is not useful to setup any deadlines | 14:25 |
kairat | IMO, of course=) | 14:25 |
flaper87 | To be honest, I'm quite bummed on the fact there was not enough push for the glare API spec. We worked very close on the v3 -> glare spec but the API one was not pushed as much as the former. | 14:26 |
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flaper87 | as I mentioned at the beginning of the meeting, I haven't seen the email asking for the SFE and it's thursday | 14:26 |
flaper87 | don't get me wrong | 14:26 |
flaper87 | I'm sure we all have our own issues, downstream problems, family, etc. | 14:26 |
flaper87 | But, given how important this is, I'm bummed that no exception was requested even in the extended exception week we agreed on | 14:27 |
mclaren | I sent one | 14:27 |
flaper87 | sorry if I'm coming out harsh but I feel like asking to not timeboxing the fasttrack until the spec merges is not fair given the fact the spec hasn't been followed close enough by the folks that will work on it | 14:28 |
flaper87 | At leat to the best of my knowledge | 14:28 |
flaper87 | That said, I'm happy to take blames if there hasn't been enough feedback from me or the drivers team | 14:28 |
flaper87 | Let's discuss it in the mailing list | 14:28 |
flaper87 | I'll send the email out | 14:28 |
kairat | it is just a concern, Flavio | 14:29 |
flaper87 | kairat: also, just to be clear, yours is a super valid concern. I'm just giving my humble opinion | 14:29 |
flaper87 | kairat: yeah, again, sorry if I just puked all that here but that needed to be said :) | 14:29 |
flaper87 | it's not on you, trust me | 14:29 |
flaper87 | and perhaps puke is not the best word to use | 14:29 |
flaper87 | oh well, english | 14:30 |
flaper87 | anyway, moving on | 14:30 |
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flaper87 | #topic Preparing for next cycle | 14:30 |
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flaper87 | I mentioned last week that I'd like to work closely with folks that would like to run for Glance PTL | 14:30 |
flaper87 | bringing this up again because we have more ppl here today | 14:30 |
flaper87 | So, if you're thinking of running for the Glance PTL position, ping me. I'd like to work on N plans with you | 14:31 |
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flaper87 | rather than reaching the end of the cycle and having 40k different plans in every proposal | 14:31 |
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flaper87 | I believe it's good for the community to work on longer term plans with current+future PTLs | 14:31 |
flaper87 | If you don't want to make this info public for some reason, I promise I'll be super discrete about it | 14:31 |
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flaper87 | I understand there are internal schedules and whatnot to take under consideration when making these decisions | 14:32 |
flaper87 | thoughts? ideas? concerns ? | 14:32 |
flaper87 | I believe this is important for the future health of the project | 14:33 |
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flaper87 | ok, I'll take that as a no | 14:33 |
flaper87 | #topic Documentation Changes | 14:33 |
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flaper87 | who proposed this? | 14:33 |
rosmaita | me | 14:33 |
flaper87 | rosmaita: floor is yours | 14:33 |
rosmaita | but in the meantime Anne Gentle sent out a mailing, so you can read all aobut it | 14:33 |
nikhil | (this was also discussed in cross project meeting) | 14:34 |
rosmaita | short story is, the api documentation is going to change from wadl-based to swagger | 14:34 |
nikhil | #link http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2016-01/msg00732.html | 14:34 |
rosmaita | the doc team is going to make the conversion for images as a test case | 14:34 |
rosmaita | so basically, just something for us to be aware of ATM | 14:35 |
nikhil | (I avoided the topic after seeing this in agenda) | 14:35 |
rosmaita | that's all | 14:35 |
flaper87 | cool! | 14:35 |
flaper87 | we'll have to look after those reviews and help the docs team move forward with the transition | 14:35 |
rosmaita | right, and then the expectation is that we will maintain the docs | 14:36 |
* flaper87 throws an evil laugh | 14:36 | |
flaper87 | ok, that was a joke | 14:36 |
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nikhil | and help bootstrap them too | 14:36 |
flaper87 | ++ | 14:36 |
flaper87 | Anyone that wants to follow-up on the above? | 14:36 |
nikhil | like there was mention on missing API refs for some services and I think we should review the thoroughness | 14:36 |
flaper87 | It'd be useful to have someone helping out the docs team directly and, if needed, ping the team back and ask for help | 14:37 |
nikhil | by default the API_WG liaisons are assigned to be pinged for the same | 14:37 |
flaper87 | sounds good! Then sigmavirus24_awa it is :P | 14:37 |
nikhil | and I am ok following it too as part of x-prj work | 14:38 |
flaper87 | nikhil: rosmaita thanks for bringing this up | 14:38 |
flaper87 | nikhil:++ | 14:38 |
flaper87 | sounds perfect | 14:38 |
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flaper87 | anything else here ? | 14:38 |
flaper87 | #topic Review Sprint next Monday, Jan 18th | 14:38 |
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flaper87 | ops | 14:39 |
flaper87 | ok | 14:39 |
flaper87 | Next week is M-2 | 14:39 |
flaper87 | w000h000 | 14:39 |
flaper87 | yeah, we're *THAT* close to the end of the cycle already | 14:39 |
flaper87 | In the spirit of helping with reviews and getting some extra stuff into M-2, I'd like to propose doing a reviews sprint on Monday | 14:40 |
flaper87 | If you are using the glance dashboard, you'll notice there are several patches waiting for a final +2 | 14:40 |
flaper87 | A whole bucnh of other patches without negative feedback and +1s | 14:40 |
flaper87 | Patches keep coming in but reviews have slowed down a bit | 14:41 |
flaper87 | We did a great job review wise during M-1 and we can improve it a bit more in the upcoming weeks | 14:41 |
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flaper87 | so, I'd like to encourage everyone to do some extra reviews | 14:41 |
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flaper87 | That said, I'll be dedicating monday entirely to reviewing glance patches | 14:41 |
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flaper87 | hope other members of the community can do the same | 14:42 |
flaper87 | To Glance Cores, look after patches w/ +2s and help them go through | 14:42 |
flaper87 | That's it | 14:42 |
flaper87 | thoughts? quesitons? | 14:43 |
flaper87 | questions, even | 14:43 |
kairat | I'm in | 14:43 |
rosmaita | sounds like a good idea, i will put in a few hours | 14:43 |
kairat | with my +1/-1 =) | 14:43 |
* flaper87 runs super fast and hugs kairat | 14:43 | |
flaper87 | kairat: your reviews have been super useful, FWIW | 14:43 |
flaper87 | rosmaita: hugs for you too but it'll take longer because you're now in Blacksburg | 14:44 |
kairat | flaper87, thanks | 14:44 |
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rosmaita | flaper87: hard to hug someone who's nowhere! | 14:44 |
flaper87 | :P | 14:44 |
flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:44 |
rosmaita | pwd | 14:44 |
flaper87 | rosmaita: irc | 14:44 |
rosmaita | oops | 14:45 |
flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:45 |
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flaper87 | go crazy | 14:45 |
avarner | I'm writing a spec for hierarchical quotas | 14:45 |
flaper87 | avarner:++ sounds exciting | 14:45 |
flaper87 | avarner: pls, target it for the N release | 14:45 |
flaper87 | Has the name been announced yet? | 14:45 |
avarner | Ok | 14:45 |
flaper87 | I cheated, fwiw, but I need the official announcement | 14:46 |
flaper87 | :P | 14:46 |
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bunting | I have a question about how the feature freeze affects specs | 14:46 |
flaper87 | any other topic in open discussions? I think there are some review requests in the agenda | 14:46 |
flaper87 | bunting: OH HI! | 14:46 |
* flaper87 missed bunting | 14:46 | |
bunting | Haha just been watching | 14:46 |
flaper87 | bunting: you mean spec freeze or actual feature freeze ? | 14:47 |
bunting | I wonder with the feature freeze is it possible to keep working on specs/features with the knowledge it won't get in | 14:47 |
bunting | but so it does not block | 14:47 |
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flaper87 | oh sure, spec freeze just means they won't get in but ppl are encouraged to keep working on future specs | 14:47 |
flaper87 | actually, the sooner specs are proposed the better | 14:47 |
flaper87 | that gives more time fore reviews before the next cycle | 14:48 |
flaper87 | Ideally, the summit should be used to discuss specs and finalize them | 14:48 |
mfedosin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 14:48 |
flaper87 | mfedosin: ++ | 14:48 |
mfedosin | I think this link may be ueful | 14:48 |
flaper87 | Review request for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261288/2 (Provide a list of request ids to the caller) | 14:49 |
bunting | Thanks | 14:49 |
flaper87 | Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248359/ Added support new v2 API image filters (dshakhray) | 14:49 |
flaper87 | those are the 2 review request in the agenda | 14:49 |
bpoulos | I wanted to let the glance team know that the image-signing patches are being handed over to dane-fichter since I'll be gone for the next few months | 14:49 |
bpoulos | he's been working on the image-signing from the nova side of things, so he's very familiar with the feature | 14:49 |
flaper87 | bpoulos: ah-ha, thanks for the heads up | 14:49 |
flaper87 | hope to see you back soon | 14:49 |
* flaper87 will miss bpoulos | 14:49 | |
bpoulos | flaper87: thanks | 14:50 |
mclaren | ++ | 14:50 |
flaper87 | anything else? | 14:50 |
flaper87 | ooooooooooook, I'll take that as a no | 14:51 |
flaper87 | thanks everyone | 14:51 |
flaper87 | have a good one | 14:51 |
flaper87 | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:51 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 14:51:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
rosmaita | bye! | 14:51 |
mfedosin | bye | 14:51 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-01-14-13.59.html | 14:51 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-01-14-13.59.txt | 14:51 |
kairat | thanks | 14:51 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-01-14-13.59.log.html | 14:51 |
bunting | bye | 14:51 |
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prithiv | have anyone tested SFC in a multi node environment | 14:56 |
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TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 15:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
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sjmc7 | mornin | 15:02 |
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RickA-HP | Hello | 15:02 |
TravT | okay, had some connection flakiness there! | 15:02 |
TravT | o/ RickA-HP | 15:02 |
TravT | did i miss any other greetings? | 15:02 |
RickA-HP | Just Steve. | 15:03 |
TravT | ok. well, we'll give a minute. | 15:03 |
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TravT | maybe we scared 'em all away. ;D | 15:05 |
sjmc7 | :) | 15:05 |
TravT | if you aren't already there, agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:05 |
TravT | #topic mitaka 3 | 15:05 |
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TravT | #undo | 15:06 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x95b9b50> | 15:06 |
TravT | #topic mitaka 2 | 15:06 |
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TravT | okay, so mitaka 2 is next week | 15:06 |
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TravT | which means we'll have to run the release for the milestone at some point next week. | 15:06 |
sjmc7 | the big outstanding spec i can think of is the notification publishing one | 15:06 |
TravT | yes, i've given it a positive vote | 15:07 |
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TravT | based on concepts | 15:07 |
TravT | our specs don't have to be perfect waterfall design documents | 15:07 |
TravT | but i don't know if lei-zh is still planning to work on it. | 15:08 |
yingjun | seems late for meeting | 15:08 |
TravT | this release | 15:08 |
TravT | o/ yingjun | 15:08 |
yingjun | o/ | 15:08 |
TravT | i'll try to reach out to lei-zh and see if they have plans to implement | 15:08 |
TravT | if it doesn't sound like it, then we'll need it to be re-proposed for n-release | 15:08 |
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sjmc7 | ok. i’m fine approving the spec, though i have some concern about getting it implemented in time | 15:09 |
TravT | ok, i'll mention that. will also reach out to malini | 15:09 |
TravT | the other spec is zero downtime. it has a few comments to address. | 15:10 |
TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245222/ | 15:10 |
TravT | RickA-HP: do you want me to address the current comments and then you add anything else to it? | 15:10 |
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RickA-HP | Yes, I'm also adrerssing the comments. | 15:11 |
TravT | sjmc7: i also have a few response / questions inline to your comments | 15:11 |
sjmc7 | ok, will take a look this morning | 15:11 |
TravT | that have followup question for you | 15:11 |
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TravT | RickA-HP: um, so does that mean you'll just do the next rev of it and I shouldn't? either way is okay with me. | 15:12 |
RickA-HP | I'm also breaking it down into separate tasks like we discussed. | 15:12 |
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RickA-HP | I'l handle the next rev. | 15:12 |
TravT | okay, that sounds good. | 15:12 |
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TravT | #topic bug review / bp review day | 15:13 |
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TravT | So, each milestone since starting this up, we've done a bug review / bp review day | 15:13 |
TravT | well, not day | 15:14 |
TravT | just an hour or so in the #openstack-searchlight room | 15:14 |
sjmc7 | yeah, they’ve been quite useful | 15:14 |
TravT | i think we should do that again | 15:14 |
TravT | unfortunately, it seems nikhil, rosmaita, and david-lyle aren't around today to see what works for them | 15:14 |
sjmc7 | maybe try asking in the sl room later today | 15:15 |
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TravT | yeah... or we could schedule in next week's meeting. | 15:15 |
sjmc7 | it’d be good to get some other eyes on the pile of reviews | 15:15 |
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TravT | definitely | 15:15 |
TravT | ok, so i will follow up on this, but i'm thinking probably the week after next we should go through them all. | 15:16 |
TravT | see what is left for mitaka 3 | 15:16 |
TravT | so next... | 15:17 |
TravT | #topic python-searchlightclient CLI Discussion | 15:17 |
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TravT | yingjun has three reviews up on the client | 15:17 |
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TravT | the command structure was based on some initial input primarily from me | 15:18 |
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TravT | and after going through them yesterday i saw some opportunity for improvement | 15:18 |
yingjun | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-cli-brainstorming | 15:18 |
TravT | thanks yingjun | 15:18 |
TravT | so, let's just walk through it and get it settled in this meeting | 15:19 |
sjmc7 | ok | 15:19 |
sjmc7 | we can always make changes later, too - it doesn’t have to be exactly right first time | 15:20 |
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yingjun | so Base plugin name? | 15:21 |
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TravT | okay, my wifi is being really flaky | 15:21 |
TravT | did i miss anything since 08:19? | 15:21 |
sjmc7 | nothing useful | 15:22 |
TravT | i suppose that's my time zone... | 15:22 |
TravT | so, yesterday i organized and put some questions on there. | 15:22 |
sjmc7 | so for the ‘first’ patch (260899) | 15:22 |
sjmc7 | your suggestion is to use ‘openstack search query ‘{json blob}’ or ‘openstack search query-string “search string”’ | 15:23 |
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sjmc7 | i think i’m ok with that; it does differ fairly radically from how most of the other OSC commands are structured but i think that’s unavoidable | 15:24 |
RickA-HP | Steve, for your first example, did you mean "query --query-string '{json blob}'" ? | 15:24 |
TravT | okay, that's the 3rd patch | 15:24 |
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sjmc7 | :) ok, sorry - which one should we look at first | 15:25 |
TravT | line 24 in etherpad | 15:25 |
sjmc7 | openstack search i’m definitely ok with | 15:25 |
TravT | ok yes, question 1 | 15:25 |
TravT | openstack search vs openstack searchlight | 15:26 |
TravT | looks like we have 3 +1's for openstack search | 15:26 |
sjmc7 | it should definitely be the thing it does, not the project name | 15:26 |
TravT | especially in case we ever get hit with some name trademark issue | 15:26 |
RickA-HP | I vote for "openstack search" also. | 15:27 |
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TravT | ok, rick, if you want to add +1 to the etherpad, that'd be great! | 15:27 |
TravT | question 2 | 15:27 |
TravT | For commands like facet-list and query-string, what option should be used to limit the resource types being searched? | 15:27 |
sjmc7 | —type is what we’ve used in the query structure already | 15:27 |
yingjun | +1 for --type | 15:28 |
TravT | it would be a lot easier to type! | 15:28 |
RickA-HP | Will there ever be other types besides resources? | 15:29 |
sjmc7 | all types will always be uniquely named | 15:29 |
sjmc7 | depending on what we call a ‘resource’, maybe - but not in the near future | 15:29 |
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TravT | whatever we do, we should make it consistent with searchlight manage. | 15:30 |
TravT | (which isn't too late to change) | 15:30 |
TravT | currently it is | 15:30 |
TravT | searchlight-manage index sync --type OS::Glance::Image | 15:30 |
sjmc7 | well, we should make it consistent with the query language | 15:31 |
TravT | that is true as well | 15:31 |
sjmc7 | we’ve used “type” everywhere | 15:31 |
TravT | we should type to match up with the ES "type" | 15:31 |
TravT | s/should/used | 15:31 |
TravT | for better or worse | 15:31 |
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sjmc7 | let’s go with type | 15:32 |
TravT | RickA-HP: point taken about the namespacing of type, which is why i was kind of on the fence, but from a pure ease of use, --type really is a lot nicer to use repeatedly | 15:32 |
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sjmc7 | that does roll into a question i had though - if we add ‘type’ as a separate param (whatever we call it) | 15:33 |
RickA-HP | In that case, we should be more unix-like and use "typ" :) | 15:33 |
sjmc7 | do we also add things like ‘sort’, ‘size’ ? | 15:33 |
TravT | -t or --type :) | 15:33 |
sjmc7 | making the argument to ‘query’ just be the “query” part of the JSON payload that’s sent to the API? | 15:34 |
TravT | hmm, that's a good question. | 15:34 |
sjmc7 | {“query”: {“query-string”: “something”}, “order”: “id”, “size”: 1} == openstack search query-string “something” —order id —size 1 ? | 15:34 |
TravT | there are some "standard" openstack CLI options for things like sort | 15:35 |
TravT | which are simply not as powerful as what you can do with native ES | 15:35 |
TravT | i was thinking that we could support a simplified CLI structure for search as well that wouldn't require all the nasty json query | 15:36 |
sjmc7 | well, our “—order” could be —order ‘{“field”: “id”, “order”: “desc”}' | 15:36 |
sjmc7 | E-S supports “order”: “-id” | 15:36 |
sjmc7 | for descending | 15:36 |
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sjmc7 | we could support multiple arguments too, that’d cover all the useful cases | 15:36 |
sjmc7 | i’ll add something to the etherpad | 15:38 |
TravT | so, i think we should have an ability for somebody not versed in ES to still do cross resource searching with simple options | 15:38 |
sjmc7 | though i think it’s “sort” in e-s, keep misremembering | 15:39 |
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TravT | something like | 15:39 |
TravT | openstack search faceted-query --type OS::Glance::Image --container-format raw --and-visibility shared --or-visibility public | 15:39 |
RickA-HP | It's "sort" | 15:40 |
TravT | where the above are <tab> completed | 15:40 |
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TravT | see lines 37 - 45 | 15:40 |
TravT | on etherpad | 15:40 |
sjmc7 | ah, i scrolled down and saw that bit :) | 15:40 |
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TravT | that would be complementary to being able to just send in native syntax | 15:40 |
sjmc7 | so anything that’s not recognized as one of the top level things gets munged into a query_string i guess? | 15:41 |
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sjmc7 | oh, the leading —and —or . yeah, i can see that | 15:41 |
RickA-HP | If the user can specify both, do we need to be concerned with the case where the query JSON conflicts with the options? | 15:42 |
sjmc7 | handling ‘and’ and ‘or’ might get a bit weird | 15:42 |
TravT | well, that where i was thinking | 15:42 |
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TravT | openstack search query --query-string OR openstack search query | 15:43 |
TravT | for the native queries | 15:43 |
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TravT | and a different command for the tab assist one | 15:43 |
TravT | openstack search faceted-query | 15:43 |
TravT | just as a brainstorming idea | 15:44 |
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yingjun | is —query-string optional? | 15:46 |
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sjmc7 | i’d be fine providing openstach search query <json blob> and openstack search query-string “string” for now | 15:46 |
sjmc7 | along with the optional params | 15:46 |
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TravT | ahh... so query is just native syntax | 15:47 |
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RickA-HP | Or do we think there will be other options for "openstack search query"? | 15:47 |
sjmc7 | yeah | 15:47 |
TravT | even if we someday support something other than ES | 15:47 |
TravT | then it is very portable | 15:47 |
TravT | there could be a --syntax option later if needed for syntax negotiation | 15:48 |
TravT | and openstack search query-string internally wraps it | 15:49 |
TravT | so: | 15:49 |
TravT | openstack search query '{ "query": { {"term": {"name": "something"}}}' | 15:50 |
TravT | or some nastiness like that | 15:50 |
TravT | and then | 15:50 |
TravT | openstack search query-string "name: foo AND tag: database" | 15:51 |
TravT | in ES query-string accepted format | 15:51 |
sjmc7 | yes. although i think the leading “query” could be left off in the first instance | 15:51 |
sjmc7 | maybe the CLI adds it if it’s not there | 15:51 |
TravT | the other way would be | 15:51 |
RickA-HP | I would reverse the commands. I think "query" would be the generic type and query-string would be the specific JSON object. | 15:52 |
TravT | openstack search query --native <json nasty> | 15:52 |
TravT | openstack search query --query-string <nicer string> | 15:52 |
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TravT | rick, i'm using query string to match to the ES specific type of search | 15:53 |
RickA-HP | I like having a single query command with options associated with it. Insted of having multiple types of query commands. | 15:53 |
TravT | https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/query-dsl-query-string-query.html | 15:54 |
sjmc7 | option 3 - let the client figure it out :) | 15:54 |
RickA-HP | I know, I always tr yto decouple an interface from a specific back-end technology :) | 15:54 |
sjmc7 | if it’s JSON, it’s a query | 15:54 |
sjmc7 | or even simpler, if it ends and/or starts with brackets, it’s an attempt at a query | 15:54 |
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TravT | RickA-HP: the decouple part is where the tab complete comes in i think | 15:55 |
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TravT | with the openstack search faceted-query idea i mentioned earlier | 15:55 |
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TravT | otherwise, we can just have the available options (--query-string, --simple-query-string) come from the supported search provider | 15:56 |
TravT | and --native is no parsing | 15:56 |
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TravT | okay, almost out of time. I think we should jump to the room to finish this part of the discussion. | 15:57 |
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TravT | but from a summary | 15:57 |
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TravT | it seems that this patch is ready except for some confusion i have on making it work with devstack | 15:58 |
TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249076 | 15:58 |
TravT | and this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255027/ | 15:58 |
TravT | just needs --resource changed to --type | 15:59 |
TravT | and we need to continue discussion in #openstack-searchlight | 15:59 |
TravT | ok? | 15:59 |
RickA-HP | Sounds good. | 15:59 |
yingjun | ok | 15:59 |
TravT | thanks. i'll end meeting here and see you there. :) | 15:59 |
TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 16:00:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-01-14-15.01.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-01-14-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-01-14-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 16:02:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:02 |
pabelanger | o/ | 16:02 |
odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:02 |
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michaelgugino | I'm here for the ansible meeting | 16:02 |
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palendae | o/ | 16:02 |
spotz | o/ | 16:02 |
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javeriak | here | 16:03 |
alextricity25 | here | 16:03 |
mattt | \o | 16:03 |
jmccrory | here | 16:03 |
odyssey4me | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:03 |
michaelgugino | here | 16:03 |
cloudnull | o/ | 16:03 |
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odyssey4me | hi everyone, welcome back from the holidays - I hope everyone managed to have a good time, spend some time with family, etc | 16:05 |
odyssey4me | plenty of eating, drinking and merrying | 16:05 |
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alextricity25 | :) | 16:06 |
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odyssey4me | #topci Review action items | 16:06 |
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odyssey4me | #topic Review action items | 16:07 |
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odyssey4me | clearly my brain is not quite working :p | 16:07 |
odyssey4me | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-12-17-16.01.html | 16:07 |
alextricity25 | it's all that merrying | 16:07 |
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odyssey4me | my bad, I didn't release immediately after the meeting - then the gate broke spectacularly over the holidays | 16:07 |
odyssey4me | so 11.2.7 is still outstanding, but the next liberty tag was done | 16:08 |
odyssey4me | 11.2.7 should be in a position to be released probably tomorrow - just waiting for one unblocking patch, and then the rest of the approved patches to merge afterwards | 16:09 |
odyssey4me | #topic Mid-Cycle Meetup | 16:09 |
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odyssey4me | Did everyone see the update about the mid cycle being partially done at the Ops mid cycle in MAnchester, then a day after that at the Rackspace UK office | 16:10 |
odyssey4me | Ansiblefest in London is the day after that | 16:10 |
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odyssey4me | I need to get some numbers and confirm names to ensure that we can arrange access and connectivity - any suggestions regarding how we collect that info? | 16:11 |
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alextricity25 | I got to take a look. I highly doubt I'll be there, though :/ | 16:11 |
odyssey4me | Maybe an eventbrite ticket? | 16:11 |
cloudnull | odyssey4me: creating an enventbrite meetup may be the best way to go | 16:11 |
spotz | eventbrite works nicely, we used it for the barbican midcycle | 16:11 |
odyssey4me | alextricity25 it's a triple whammy - ops mid cycle, OSA mid cycle and Ansiblefest... who can refuse such a travel request? ;) | 16:11 |
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alextricity25 | odyssey4me: I could give you my managers email | 16:12 |
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alextricity25 | hahaha | 16:12 |
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odyssey4me | :) | 16:12 |
spotz | ooh could we vidyo the rackspace office day? | 16:12 |
alextricity25 | I'll definitely ask to see if it's possible | 16:12 |
alextricity25 | +1 on the eventbrite idea | 16:13 |
evrardjp | I doubt I can be there but the vidyo sounds good | 16:13 |
evrardjp | I'll try to send one of my colleagues if possible | 16:13 |
odyssey4me | spotz we could try and arrange something like that - that'll be a nice way to include some of the US/AU folk who'd like to pop in and out as we go | 16:13 |
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odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to arrange an eventbrite event for the OSA mid cycle attendance register | 16:14 |
spotz | thanks odyssey4me | 16:14 |
odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to try and arrange Vidyo conference facility for the OSA mid cycle room | 16:14 |
mattt | video would be good -- always nice to put a face to names | 16:14 |
evrardjp | odyssey4me: please inform the lists that the eventbrite event is created too :) | 16:14 |
cloudnull | maybe we can broadcast on youtube live | 16:15 |
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evrardjp | instant 1M views win. | 16:15 |
odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to remind the ML about the mid cycle and provide eventbrite details in the reminder | 16:16 |
evrardjp | odyssey4me: thanks :) | 16:16 |
odyssey4me | any questions or comments on the mid cycle? | 16:16 |
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palendae | None here | 16:17 |
palendae | Not sure I'll make it | 16:17 |
evrardjp | none for now, maybe please also mention the etherpads in communications ? | 16:17 |
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evrardjp | (if any) | 16:17 |
jmccrory | it's limited to 100 people so make sure to purchase ticket | 16:18 |
odyssey4me | oh yes, that reminds me - the ops mid cycle is looking for people to volunteer to present or facilitate workshops | 16:18 |
odyssey4me | generally speaking they can relate to anything ops would be interested in | 16:18 |
odyssey4me | we're also looking for proposals | 16:18 |
odyssey4me | I'll send those details in the reminder email too | 16:18 |
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odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to include etherpad links for talk proposals in the reminder email | 16:19 |
alextricity25 | is the ops mid cycle an openstack thing? | 16:19 |
alextricity25 | or an OSA thing? | 16:19 |
alextricity25 | i've never heard of this event | 16:19 |
palendae | alextricity25: ops mid cycle has been an openstack thing | 16:19 |
palendae | OSA's joining up this year | 16:19 |
odyssey4me | the ops mid cycle is the OpenStack Operators Mid Cycle - not OSA at all, just one of our friend groups in the OpenStack community | 16:19 |
palendae | First OSA midcycle | 16:19 |
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alextricity25 | Ohhh neat | 16:20 |
alextricity25 | thanks for the info :) | 16:20 |
palendae | Happens to be convenient to combine | 16:20 |
odyssey4me | it's great for us to learn from the challenges Operators are facing so that we can add things that help resolve those... but it's also a good place for us to contribute back to them and to contribute to OpenStack development in general | 16:21 |
cloudnull | ++ | 16:21 |
alextricity25 | That makes a lot of sense. Especially for OSA. | 16:21 |
odyssey4me | we're in a great position to facilitate Ops<->Dev comms | 16:21 |
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palendae | Yep, absolutely | 16:22 |
palendae | A great week for OSA, having a foot in operations and Ansible | 16:22 |
alextricity25 | I feel like a workshop on debugging openstack issues with OSA would be cool | 16:22 |
alextricity25 | showing log stuff, using ansible to access several nodes, etc.. | 16:23 |
odyssey4me | alextricity25 why don't you propose that - then inform your boss that you're presenting :) | 16:23 |
alextricity25 | :D | 16:23 |
odyssey4me | otherwise propose that as a presentation for the Austin summit :) | 16:24 |
spotz | Yeah that'd be great for summit | 16:24 |
evrardjp | or both | 16:24 |
odyssey4me | ++ evrardjp | 16:24 |
alextricity25 | Oh i'lll definitely be there. Austin is just 1hr from me | 16:24 |
spotz | Or add in Ansible's conference and all 3:) | 16:24 |
mcarden | +1 on that as a summit idea | 16:24 |
odyssey4me | hahaha | 16:24 |
odyssey4me | alright, switching topics quickly | 16:25 |
mattt | i'd sit in on that, i still have no idea how logging works in openstack-ansible | 16:25 |
mattt | :) | 16:25 |
odyssey4me | #topic Release Planning and Decisions | 16:25 |
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odyssey4me | the current plan is to release mitaka-2, liberty 12.0.4 and kilo 11.2.7 next week after the thu meeting | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | does anyone want a release sooner for any particular reason? | 16:26 |
mattt | odyssey4me: not i | 16:27 |
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odyssey4me | are there any specific bugs that anyone wants to raise which they really, really need included in the release? | 16:28 |
cloudnull | i have nothing | 16:28 |
evrardjp | bugs that need included in the release? no thank you! | 16:29 |
odyssey4me | ok, good - then it's business as usual until next week | 16:29 |
cloudnull | evrardjp: lololol | 16:29 |
prometheanfire | cya :P | 16:29 |
michaelgugino | I have one small one | 16:29 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino ok? | 16:30 |
michaelgugino | not really a bug in the software per se, but the release numbers don't track in the pip repos. | 16:30 |
michaelgugino | that creates breakage for people using the software. | 16:30 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino how do you mean? | 16:30 |
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michaelgugino | http://rpc-repo.rackspace.com/os-releases/ | 16:30 |
michaelgugino | that has no 12.0.3 | 16:30 |
michaelgugino | trying to follow the docs and setting that as the url, liberty cannot pull pip packages | 16:31 |
cloudnull | ah fair point, I think we've fallen behind in updating those | 16:31 |
cloudnull | michaelgugino: i can push updates to that repo | 16:31 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino RPC is not tracking Liberty yet, which is why the repo has no builds for Liberty | 16:31 |
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michaelgugino | right, but the docs instruct the user to use that url | 16:31 |
odyssey4me | ah, we should remove that | 16:32 |
mattt | michaelgugino: you familiar w/ the process of building this stuff locally? | 16:32 |
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michaelgugino | I have not built the pip repos, not really sure how that part works | 16:32 |
odyssey4me | I have another plan, which is to publish the repo to tarballs.openstack.org after every successful build. I'm discussing that with -infra as I don't think they have exactly what we need in place. | 16:33 |
michaelgugino | I just set user variable: openstack_release: liberty | 16:33 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino instead of running repo-clone, you run repo-build | 16:33 |
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mattt | michaelgugino: it's a pretty long-running task (takes maybe 30 mins?) but i prefer to have all this stuff in my environment | 16:33 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino the repo-install playbook does this automatically in Liberty+ | 16:34 |
michaelgugino | I understand, I can make it work, that's not the issue. Just saying, the documents are off or that rpc repo should be updated. | 16:34 |
mattt | michaelgugino: makes sense | 16:34 |
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odyssey4me | yeah, that is true - if someone could prep a patch that'd be great! | 16:35 |
odyssey4me | :) | 16:35 |
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michaelgugino | what is the preferred fix? | 16:35 |
cloudnull | i will update the rpc repo right now | 16:35 |
michaelgugino | insist the user runs repo-build? | 16:35 |
odyssey4me | the docs fix for now would be to inform the user that they should execute repo-install and it will build the repo locally | 16:35 |
michaelgugino | ok, I will do that. | 16:35 |
cloudnull | repo-clone will work once we update the repo or if the user has a self hosted repo elsewheree . | 16:36 |
odyssey4me | that fix will apply to master, and should be backported to liberty | 16:36 |
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michaelgugino | sounds good. | 16:36 |
odyssey4me | cloudnull yeah, but for instructions to use those we have to ensure that we're consistenly updating the rpc-repo... this is why I'd like to automate that in OpenStack's CI | 16:37 |
cloudnull | i'd be nice to see if we, OSA, can get space within infra where we push a built set | 16:37 |
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odyssey4me | :) working on it | 16:37 |
cloudnull | what odyssey4me said | 16:37 |
odyssey4me | is vdo around? | 16:37 |
odyssey4me | it appears not | 16:37 |
odyssey4me | he was going to present the intent of adding 'Midonet plugin support' to the Neutron service in OpenStack-Ansible | 16:38 |
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cloudnull | that'd be interesting | 16:38 |
odyssey4me | a general reminder about the design work etherpads that are up in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:38 |
odyssey4me | we're still looking for a leader for the multi-OS support :) | 16:39 |
odyssey4me | #topic Open discussion | 16:39 |
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michaelgugino | I'm interested in the Multi-OS support, and systemd support. | 16:40 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino please add your name to the etherpad | 16:40 |
michaelgugino | I don't now if I can be a leader but I'd like to contribute to those efforts. | 16:40 |
cloudnull | michaelgugino: ++ that'd be awesome | 16:41 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino we're happy to be of support to anyone leading the effort, so all it'll take is someone with the inclination and time to research, review and submit reviews | 16:41 |
michaelgugino | I'm looking to have my org adopt 16.04 asap | 16:41 |
pabelanger | I wanted to actually talk about the mission statement for openstack ansible. And was curious if the team is open to the idea of adding more ansible roles for OpenStack Infra projects. | 16:41 |
pabelanger | EG: ansible-role-nodepool | 16:41 |
michaelgugino | and we're going to be relying heavily on ansible, so it make sense to contribute the work here. | 16:42 |
cloudnull | michaelgugino: i'd be happy to help out on that effort. i also know prometheanfire has been working on that front too | 16:42 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino then perhaps you can take up the systemd work soon with prometheanfire | 16:42 |
michaelgugino | I looked at some of the work that has already been done regarding RHEL/Centos using different playbooks | 16:42 |
prometheanfire | ya | 16:43 |
odyssey4me | pabelanger we'll circle back to your topic shortly | 16:43 |
prometheanfire | could probably work on that | 16:43 |
michaelgugino | I just wanted to get an idea of what general direction we should go, different playbooks / roles, or converged with lots of log? | 16:43 |
michaelgugino | *logic | 16:43 |
prometheanfire | also, want to get gentoo support now that gentoo is in diskimage-builder | 16:43 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino we have some patterns already, for example in the bootstrap-host role | 16:43 |
odyssey4me | so generally same roles, with some logic | 16:43 |
odyssey4me | if things get too onerous we can re-evaluate | 16:44 |
michaelgugino | sounds good. Do we want to continue to deploy containers in trusty, or update containers as well? | 16:44 |
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odyssey4me | michaelgugino I'd suggest breaking up the work into pieces - host first, then containers | 16:44 |
michaelgugino | I was thinking, start at host level and work up | 16:44 |
michaelgugino | ok, cool. | 16:44 |
cloudnull | michaelgugino: i did some work a while back on rhel support, which included systemd, https://github.com/cloudnull/os-ansible-deployment/tree/master-rhel but there wasn't enough interest in bringing that in as something OSA supports. | 16:45 |
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cloudnull | but with more interested folks maybe we can get it though | 16:45 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino it sounds to me like you have enough motivation and could lead the charge | 16:45 |
mattt | it's going to be tricky if we support multiple ubuntu releases, red hat, etc. | 16:45 |
odyssey4me | the details so far are in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-multi-os-support | 16:45 |
michaelgugino | my org will be running ubuntu only for now, so while I don't have much interest in RHEL support directly, I believe both will be using systemd, so two birds with one stone, mostly | 16:45 |
cloudnull | michaelgugino: they will both use systemd | 16:46 |
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odyssey4me | ok, so at least part of the work - ok, that's good | 16:46 |
cloudnull | so if we support one, we will mostly have support for the other | 16:46 |
odyssey4me | how do you feel about putting together a spec to outline how you expect to do the work? | 16:46 |
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michaelgugino | I think I can do that. | 16:47 |
odyssey4me | awesome :) | 16:47 |
palendae | We've talked before that 16.04's gonna need systemd | 16:47 |
palendae | So multi-OS is great for even just Ubuntu | 16:47 |
odyssey4me | #action michaelgugino to put together a spec to add systemd support | 16:47 |
cloudnull | we have this spec for systemd, it may need to be updated https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/blob/master/specs/mitaka/add-support-for-systemd.rst | 16:47 |
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odyssey4me | cloudnull good point - perhaps the spec just needs a patch to update it with a little more meat | 16:48 |
cloudnull | ++ | 16:48 |
cloudnull | maybe a new spec altogether. | 16:48 |
michaelgugino | I'm assuming we would want it fact based, not user var based. | 16:48 |
michaelgugino | support for hybrid deployment, some systemd, some upstart, etc. | 16:48 |
odyssey4me | michaelgugino yes, I think so | 16:48 |
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prometheanfire | as much as possible | 16:48 |
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odyssey4me | we'll have to maintain support for Ubuntu 14.04 for another two cycles at least | 16:49 |
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cloudnull | michaelgugino: yes i think so | 16:49 |
pabelanger | odyssey4me: okay, no rush. We can talk about it after the meeting too. Just wanted to raise the topic. I have to drop in about 5 mins | 16:49 |
odyssey4me | ok, let's switch briefly to pabelanger's topic then | 16:49 |
michaelgugino | after pabelanger, I wanted to bring up dvr support for neutron :) | 16:49 |
prometheanfire | I do think switching as much as we can to systemd would be good (agnostic wise) | 16:49 |
odyssey4me | pabelanger has been working on a variety of roles which implement OpenStack-CI tooling | 16:50 |
pabelanger | indeed | 16:50 |
odyssey4me | pabelanger can you tell us a bit about what you've done | 16:50 |
pabelanger | so, far I have 4 projects that I have imported upstream, but they are unofficial at the moment. That include ansible-role-nodepool, ansible-role-zuul, ansible-role-jenkins-job-builder and ansible-role-diskimage-builder | 16:51 |
cloudnull | michaelgugino: this had been my approach in the pash https://github.com/cloudnull/os-ansible-deployment/blob/master-rhel/playbooks/roles/os_glance/tasks/glance_init.yml#L16-L34 | 16:51 |
cloudnull | *past | 16:51 |
pabelanger | I have more roles locally, but holding off on moving them upstream until I can figure out the best place to have them become official projects. | 16:51 |
pabelanger | So, because we both use ansible, I thought it might be a good place to create a sub team or add them to this team | 16:51 |
odyssey4me | pabelanger do they need to be official, or are you just looking for more participants in the development and review process? | 16:52 |
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pabelanger | odyssey4me: Ya, so I would like them to be under big tent, which like you said adds more reviewers and users. | 16:52 |
pabelanger | So, don't feel you need to include them here, if they are not a good fit. I just wanted to have a little discussion about seeing if it is a good idea or not | 16:53 |
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odyssey4me | any thoughts from everyone about this? | 16:53 |
pabelanger | I suspect I will need to go to TC eventually and see what works better for the OpenStack project in general | 16:53 |
pabelanger | Since more and more people are consuming ansible and more roles will be uploaded | 16:53 |
odyssey4me | I'd like to look into how other projects have implemented sub-teams, and I'd also like to ensure that we define the roles in such a way that we don't conflict with -infra. | 16:54 |
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michaelgugino | I'm sure my team would be interested in deploying Openstack-CI with those playbooks. | 16:54 |
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pabelanger | odyssey4me: right, last I talked to -infra, they didn't want to include the roles there, since they use puppet | 16:54 |
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pabelanger | but I agree | 16:55 |
odyssey4me | generally I think it's useful to have these tools in the toolbox and they're especially useful for anyone who wants to deploy their own CI infrastructure in a way that's similar to OpenStack-CI | 16:55 |
odyssey4me | so if we frame the roles for use in external CI, then I think we remove the conflict | 16:55 |
pabelanger | Right, and I don't know if that means a new project (PTL) or moving it under some sort of sub team here | 16:56 |
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odyssey4me | pabelanger I think perhaps we should let the idea bake for a week and discuss it again next week. | 16:56 |
pabelanger | WFM | 16:56 |
pabelanger | thanks for talking about it! | 16:57 |
odyssey4me | meanwhile, let's get more familiar with how sub teams work and all that, so that we're a little more informed | 16:57 |
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odyssey4me | we're almost out of time - does anyone else want to raise something specific before we end? | 16:57 |
michaelgugino | Does anyone have any problems with supporting dvn neutron networking? | 16:58 |
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michaelgugino | I'd like to submit some blueprints and start working on that soon as well. | 16:58 |
odyssey4me | I encourage everyone to head back to #openstack-ansible to continue discussions | 16:58 |
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cloudnull | dvn? | 16:58 |
michaelgugino | *dvr | 16:58 |
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odyssey4me | michaelgugino as far as I know, DVR doesn't work with linuxbridge | 16:58 |
cloudnull | w/ ovs | 16:58 |
odyssey4me | (yet) | 16:58 |
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michaelgugino | My team is willing to put in the work to make DVR work, if you guys are willing to merge the patches | 16:59 |
cloudnull | michaelgugino: I have no issues with that being done. | 16:59 |
odyssey4me | we are, most definitely, happy to merge the patches | 16:59 |
odyssey4me | if OVS support is added as part of the process, that's cool too | 16:59 |
michaelgugino | great. We've already started manually integrating with OSA, but haven't done anything with playbooks. | 16:59 |
odyssey4me | alright, we're out of time - continue in #openstack-ansible | 16:59 |
odyssey4me | thank you all for your time | 16:59 |
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cloudnull | cheers! | 17:00 |
odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 17:00:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2016/openstack_ansible_meeting.2016-01-14-16.02.html | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2016/openstack_ansible_meeting.2016-01-14-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2016/openstack_ansible_meeting.2016-01-14-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
cathy__ | #start_meeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
vikram | hi | 17:00 |
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cathy__ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 17:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
pcarver | hi, I can only be here for 10-15 minutes. I need to leave for a conflict. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
cathy__ | pcarver: hi | 17:00 |
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vikram | cathy_: hi | 17:00 |
cathy__ | pabelanger: ok | 17:00 |
cathy__ | vikram: hi | 17:01 |
cathy__ | pcarver: ok | 17:01 |
cathy__ | LouisF: raofei hi | 17:01 |
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cathy__ | any topic you could like to discuss? | 17:01 |
cathy__ | Swami: hi | 17:01 |
vikram | some updates on horizon and heat patch | 17:02 |
cathy__ | vikram: ok | 17:02 |
LouisF | hi | 17:02 |
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cathy__ | #topic update on horizon and heat | 17:02 |
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vikram | mohankumar will be able to post the patch by next week | 17:02 |
Swami | cathy__:hi | 17:02 |
pcarver | There's some Gerrit problem with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249488/ | 17:02 |
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vikram | facing some issues with getting all the code inside networking-sfc repo | 17:02 |
cathy__ | pcarver: let me take a look at the link | 17:03 |
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hdaniel | cathy__, LouisF , vikram , pcarver , pabelanger : hi | 17:03 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: hi | 17:03 |
vikram | hdaniel: welcome ;) | 17:03 |
hdaniel | cathy__: thanks :) | 17:03 |
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hdaniel | if you guys don't mind /me snooping around - I'd appreciate some help when you're done | 17:04 |
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cathy__ | pcarver: vikram seems some problem with Gerrit? | 17:04 |
cathy__ | pcarver: I see that +2 and workflow has been approved, but it is still not merged | 17:04 |
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pcarver | cathy__: correct | 17:04 |
vikram | cathy__: yup | 17:04 |
LouisF | pcarver: yes | 17:05 |
vikram | may be we can seek infra teams help | 17:05 |
cathy__ | pcarver: vikram is someone in OpenStack working on this Gerrit issue? | 17:05 |
cathy__ | vikram: yes | 17:05 |
vikram | #openstack-infra | 17:05 |
cathy__ | vikram: would you like to let the infra team know this problem? | 17:05 |
vikram | sure i will | 17:06 |
cathy__ | vikram: thanks! | 17:06 |
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vikram | cathy__: welcome | 17:06 |
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cathy__ | #action vikram will talk with openstack_infra team on the Gerrit problem for the patch and "can not getting all the code inside networking-sfc repo" issues | 17:07 |
cathy__ | vikram: Is Mohan going to post horizon and heat patches next week? | 17:08 |
vikram | cathy__: yes he will ... | 17:08 |
cathy__ | vikram: great. Could you get some core members of Horizon and Heat to review them? | 17:08 |
vikram | cathy__: working around how to resolve dependencies to move the code in networking-sfc repo | 17:08 |
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cathy__ | vikram: I see some discussion on this in the alias some time back. | 17:09 |
prithiv | hllo | 17:09 |
cathy__ | vikram: Is there final consensus on how to do this for sub-projects? | 17:09 |
cathy__ | prithiv: hi | 17:09 |
vikram | cathy__: develope inside your repo | 17:09 |
vikram | cathy__: BTW, merge issue is resolved .. | 17:10 |
cathy__ | pcarver: since you need to leave early, do you have topic you would like to discuss? | 17:10 |
cathy__ | vikram: oh, great! | 17:10 |
vikram | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249488/ can't merge because it's parent is under review | 17:10 |
pcarver | cathy__: Nothing really. I had a few comments on the FC API and they're in Gerrit now. | 17:11 |
vikram | https://review.openstack.org/gitweb?p=openstack/networking-sfc.git;a=commit;h=2c4a9bb8313102c16a1816fd1d965ad2c9d0763b | 17:11 |
vikram | is the parent | 17:11 |
cathy__ | vikram: what is this parent? | 17:11 |
cathy__ | cathy__: I see that you are the author | 17:12 |
cathy__ | vikram: I see that you are the author | 17:12 |
vikram | cathy__: Parent patch is still under review | 17:12 |
cathy__ | pcarver: good. Could you review the OVS driver and OVS agent patches as soon as possible? | 17:12 |
vikram | Realizing SFC: OVS Agent and OVS | 17:12 |
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cathy__ | pcarver: In our last meeting, we agreed to get these patches merged by this week:-) | 17:13 |
vikram | ;-) | 17:13 |
vikram | cathy__: I have a question | 17:13 |
cathy__ | vikram: go ahead | 17:14 |
vikram | cathy__: Are we planning to have API/Functional tests | 17:14 |
vikram | I can't find them | 17:14 |
pcarver | cathy__: will do. Too many all day meetings this week, but tomorrow is a lighter schedule | 17:14 |
cathy__ | pcarver: great, Thanks! | 17:14 |
cathy__ | vikram: Do you mean end-to-end functional tests? | 17:15 |
pcarver | got to go. I'll read the rest of the meeting log later. | 17:15 |
cathy__ | pcarver: ok, bye | 17:15 |
vikram | cathy__: yes | 17:15 |
vikram | cathy__: + API endpoint tests | 17:16 |
cathy__ | vikram: yes, we have conducted end-to-end functional tests last two months and have updated patches to fix bugs we found. | 17:16 |
vikram | cathy__: In neutron we write API test for new API's | 17:16 |
cathy__ | vikram: now if you download the latest patches, they should work very well and smooth | 17:16 |
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vikram | cathy__: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/tests/api | 17:17 |
vikram | cathy__: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/tests/functional | 17:17 |
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cathy__ | vikram: For API UT, we have uploaded testing scripts. Let me take a look at the links | 17:17 |
vikram | cathy__: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/tests/fullstack | 17:17 |
hdaniel | guys, is there a regular communication channel for the project ? | 17:18 |
cathy__ | vikram: I will take a more detail look into these after the meeting | 17:18 |
vikram | cathy__: sure | 17:19 |
vikram | cathy__: We got to review " | 17:19 |
vikram | Agent specific API for L2 agent extensions" | 17:19 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: not really, but people sent emails if having questions. | 17:19 |
vikram | proposed by Ihar "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263819/" | 17:19 |
vikram | this i important for us w.r.t. using L2 agent code... | 17:20 |
vikram | *is | 17:20 |
vikram | cathy__: I hope you remember this.. | 17:20 |
cathy__ | vikram: yes, I know that. We just have not got time to do it yet since we have been busy with fixing bugs in OVS Agent patch,. | 17:20 |
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cathy__ | vikram: we will get to review it next week | 17:21 |
vikram | cathy__: great | 17:21 |
cathy__ | raofei is expert on OVS agent and is a key contributor to our OVS agent codes | 17:21 |
cathy__ | raofei: could you review the L2 agent extension as soon as possible? | 17:21 |
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vikram | cathy__: What is the plan for getting this merged in neutron.. or we continue as a stadium project.. | 17:23 |
cathy__ | I will review too. Other people in the team, please review it if you have time. | 17:23 |
vikram | cathy__: I will have a look this weekend | 17:23 |
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cathy__ | vikram: we will continue as a stadium project since this is not a small feature | 17:23 |
vikram | cathy__: +1000 | 17:24 |
cathy__ | vikram: great, thanks! | 17:24 |
raofei | sure, i will review L2 agent extension. this is a good idea. | 17:24 |
cathy__ | raofei: thanks! | 17:24 |
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raofei | many L2 feature need this extension. | 17:25 |
cathy__ | vikram: could you please review the OVS driver and OVS agent this week so that we can get these patches merged as everyone agreed in our last meeting? | 17:25 |
vikram | raofei: I agree | 17:25 |
vikram | cathy__: I will .. Sorry for the delay from my end | 17:25 |
cathy__ | vikram: no problem. Appreciate it. I know if will be your weekend time soon:-) | 17:26 |
vikram | cathy__: Will do it on priority | 17:26 |
cathy__ | vikram: thanks! | 17:26 |
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cathy__ | #topic bugs | 17:26 |
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cathy__ | prithiv: wrt the bugs you reported, have you got a chance to try the latest codes? Those problems should be gone if you use the latest codes | 17:27 |
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vikram | bug-id? | 17:28 |
vikram | cathy__: Bug-Id? | 17:28 |
cathy__ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc | 17:28 |
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cathy__ | prithiv: are you still there? | 17:29 |
hdaniel | cathy__: what branch/ref should be used now as the latest ? | 17:29 |
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prithiv | yes | 17:29 |
prithiv | i am still facing the issue cathy | 17:29 |
prithiv | i tried with patch set 15 | 17:29 |
cathy__ | LouisF: could you help post the link to the latest codes for hdaniel? | 17:30 |
cathy__ | prithiv: which one are you facing? | 17:30 |
prithiv | i mean, about flow classifier issue in the multi node setup | 17:30 |
prithiv | i will close the port-chain-update today... | 17:30 |
cathy__ | prithiv: I am checking patch set 15 now | 17:32 |
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LouisF | hdaniel: the installation is posted at the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ServiceInsertionAndChaining | 17:32 |
hdaniel | LouisF: yeah, I used that. thanks - thought there's something I miss out. | 17:33 |
LouisF | hdaniel: that is the latest procedure | 17:33 |
cathy__ | prithiv: when you say patch set 15, which patch are you referring to? | 17:33 |
LouisF | prithiv: does the FC work correctly with single node setup? | 17:34 |
prithiv | yes it did | 17:34 |
cathy__ | prithiv: we tried it and it worked fine. | 17:35 |
hdaniel | LouisF: and I understand that it's supposed to be merged into master at some point ? | 17:35 |
prithiv | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249488/ | 17:35 |
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prithiv | as per the steps provided in wiki i used this patch | 17:35 |
LouisF | prithiv: can you send me dump-flows -Oopenflow13 and dump-groups -Oopenflow13 for br-int for both single and mult-node | 17:35 |
cathy__ | prithiv: OK. for the OVS driver patch and OVS agent patch, are you using the latest ? | 17:36 |
LouisF | also the dump-flows for br-tun for the mutli-node case | 17:36 |
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prithiv | i have sent the dump-flows for multiple node yesterday to you, cathy and xiaodong… i will send the dump group for multiple and single node in a while | 17:36 |
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cathy__ | prithiv: so for single node, it works fine, right? | 17:38 |
prithiv | yes.. so far, i didnt see any issue in single node for various scenarios i have tested | 17:38 |
cathy__ | prithiv: OK, we will take a look at the dump you sent after the meeting. | 17:39 |
cathy__ | any other topic you would like to discuss today? | 17:39 |
vikram | i have none | 17:40 |
hdaniel | cathy__: yeah, I have a quick question | 17:40 |
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cathy__ | hdaniel: sure | 17:40 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: shoot | 17:40 |
hdaniel | cathy__: if I'd like to add some features to the classifier, which branch/ref should I use ? | 17:40 |
LouisF | prithiv: is import to do the -Oopenflow13 for the dump-flows because it appears that the group-related rules are missing from the dump-flows you sent | 17:41 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: are these features for SFC? | 17:41 |
LouisF | important | 17:41 |
hdaniel | cathy__: yep, | 17:41 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: or for generic FC usage? | 17:41 |
hdaniel | cathy__: I had in mind of adding IP tos/dscp marking classification caps | 17:41 |
hdaniel | cathy__: for the steering | 17:41 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: Ok, that is good. we have extensions for FC. | 17:42 |
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hdaniel | cathy__: great. so should I just base the work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249488/ ? | 17:42 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: for this first release which is near, we won't have time to include the extensions. But we can include this in the next release. | 17:42 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: make sense to you? | 17:43 |
hdaniel | cathy__: when are you planning on the release ? | 17:43 |
LouisF | hdaniel: can that be done after we complete the first release? | 17:43 |
hdaniel | LouisF: ^ | 17:43 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: The sooner, the better, latest with Mitaka cycle since many people are asking for the official release. | 17:44 |
LouisF | hdaniel: M2 | 17:44 |
hdaniel | cathy__, LouisF: I see. so I can focus on the dev without expecting it to be merged. sounds fair ? | 17:44 |
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cathy__ | hdaniel: sure! | 17:44 |
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hdaniel | cathy__: great. thanks | 17:45 |
vikram | hdaniel: can do a initial write to know what you exactly want? | 17:45 |
hdaniel | vikram: sure, will do | 17:45 |
LouisF | hdaniel: we expect the flow-classifier to evolve significantly over the next cycle | 17:45 |
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hdaniel | LouisF: I'd be more than happy to contribute to it :) | 17:45 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: we also have plan to evolve the FC into a common FC in Neutron which can be used for features other than SFC. | 17:46 |
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vikram | LouisF: I also have few things in my mind to add ;-) | 17:46 |
cathy__ | vikram: go ahead | 17:46 |
vikram | cathy__: there is a separate project for that now ;-) | 17:46 |
vikram | neutron-classifier | 17:46 |
cathy__ | vikram: OK | 17:47 |
LouisF | hdaniel: vikram we can have a planning session after the release | 17:47 |
vikram | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-classifier | 17:47 |
vikram | LouisF: Sure | 17:47 |
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hdaniel | LouisF: sure, great | 17:47 |
cathy__ | Cool. any other topic you have in mind? | 17:47 |
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vikram | One announcement | 17:48 |
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vikram | We tested the SFC NBI's with ONOS it works fine ;) | 17:49 |
LouisF | just ask everyone to review and +1 | 17:49 |
cathy__ | vikram: great news! Way to go! | 17:49 |
LouisF | vikram: are you plannng to add the onos driver? | 17:49 |
vikram | LouisF: Yes | 17:49 |
vikram | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266797/ | 17:50 |
vikram | once networking-sfc is released we can also release networking-onos | 17:50 |
cathy__ | vikram: we will review it | 17:50 |
vikram | cathy__: thanks | 17:51 |
cathy__ | vikram: yes! | 17:51 |
LouisF | vikram: great! we can add details to the wiki | 17:51 |
vikram | LouisF: Sure!... | 17:51 |
igordcard_ | sorry vikram: you mean ONOS NBI with networking-sfc or networking-sfc SBI with ONOS? | 17:51 |
vikram | LouisF: Let's wait for ONOS official release to happen | 17:51 |
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cathy__ | igordcard_: it should be networking-sfc SBI with ONOS | 17:52 |
LouisF | vikram: when will that be? | 17:52 |
cathy__ | vikram: right? | 17:52 |
vikram | cathy__: you are correct | 17:52 |
vikram | LouisF: I think next month | 17:52 |
LouisF | can you post a link to the onos nbi | 17:53 |
vikram | LouisF: okay.. once it's officially published I will | 17:54 |
cathy__ | igordcard_: do you know how NSH is going in OVS open source ? When will it be accepted? | 17:54 |
igordcard_ | cathy__: no cathy__ , haven't followed OVS specific progresses | 17:54 |
hdaniel | cathy__: I had a conversation regarding that with OVS guys today. | 17:55 |
LouisF | hdaniel: and? | 17:55 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: Oh, great. How is it going? | 17:55 |
hdaniel | VXLAN-gpe is planned for next week, nsh is the next to follow | 17:55 |
vikram | LouisF: https://github.com/opennetworkinglab/onos/tree/master/apps/vtn/sfcmgr/src/main/java/org/onosproject/sfc | 17:55 |
LouisF | vikram: thanks | 17:55 |
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cathy__ | hdaniel: do you know about when will the NSH codes be officially accepted in OVS? | 17:56 |
LouisF | hdaniel: so the new nsh will be decoupled form vxlan encap? | 17:56 |
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hdaniel | cathy__: no sorry :( they're still under review | 17:56 |
LouisF | hdaniel: do you have a link to the nsh patches for ovs? | 17:57 |
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hdaniel | LouisF: yeah, I have some thread. 1 sec | 17:57 |
cathy__ | hdaniel: why not support NSH over existing VXLAN too? Or it is planned already? | 17:57 |
hdaniel | cathy__: I don't know - I just started the conversation today. can ask that | 17:57 |
LouisF | cathy__: the original nsh patch supported nsh over only one encap - vxlan | 17:58 |
hdaniel | LouisF: http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2015-October/061214.html | 17:58 |
LouisF | the new patch will allow nsh over different encaps | 17:58 |
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cathy__ | LouisF: so I hope this original nsh over VXLAN will continue to be supported. | 17:59 |
vikram | we are timeout ;-) | 17:59 |
vikram | only 1 min | 17:59 |
cathy__ | ok, let's end the meeting. | 17:59 |
LouisF | cathy__: yes it will | 17:59 |
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LouisF | plus tlv support as mentioned in that email | 18:00 |
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eglute | hello, can someone end previous meeting? | 18:01 |
eglute | cathy__, would you end the meeting? | 18:02 |
vikram | cathy__: | 18:02 |
eglute | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 18:03:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-01-14-17.00.html | 18:03 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-01-14-17.00.txt | 18:03 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-01-14-17.00.log.html | 18:03 |
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eglute | #startmeeting diversity | 18:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 18:03:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' | 18:03 |
eglute | Hello Everyone, let me know if you are here for the diversity working group meeting | 18:03 |
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cathy___ | Hi diversity working group, sorry I got disconnected and my #endmeeting does not work:-) | 18:04 |
ekhugen_alt | o/ hi | 18:04 |
eglute | cathy___ no worries, I ended your meeting, hope it is ok. you are welcome to stay :) | 18:04 |
eglute | agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.19 | 18:05 |
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eglute | hello ekhugen_alt! | 18:05 |
* cdash Waves | 18:05 | |
spotz | o/ | 18:05 |
cathy___ | eglute: thanks. | 18:05 |
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eglute | Hi Everyone, would you also say your name/company? I am not familiar with some IRC handles. I am Egle Sigler, from Rackspace | 18:06 |
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spotz | Amy Marrich, Rackspace | 18:06 |
ekhugen_alt | Emily Hugenbruch, IBM | 18:06 |
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eglute | I was really hoping for a larger attendance. I know the last few meetings last year were a little on the slow side | 18:07 |
eglute | and want to have a good re-start to these meetings | 18:08 |
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eglute | Carol Barrett from Intel usually leads these meetings. I talked to her before her vacation, and there are several workstreams that are currently in progress | 18:09 |
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eglute | or need to get started | 18:09 |
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eglute | cpallares has been working with the foundation on the code of conduct | 18:10 |
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eglute | if you have not had a chance, please review changes to the current CoC https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CoC | 18:11 |
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eglute | #topic code of conduct | 18:11 |
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eglute | I think one of the main changes related to CoC is adding a button for reporting violations. | 18:12 |
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eglute | do any of you have comments on the code of conduct? or changes you would like to see? | 18:14 |
spotz | If I remember correctly it is a merging of the orginal OpenStack C0C and I'm probably getting this wrong but maybe djangos | 18:14 |
eglute | i think you are right | 18:14 |
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eglute | since neither lsell nor cpallares is here, I need to reach out to them to find out the current status | 18:16 |
eglute | #action eglute reach out to Cindy and Lauren regarding CoC status | 18:16 |
eglute | next work stream is Increasing ease of on-boarding new community members | 18:16 |
eglute | #topic Increase ease of on-boarding new Community Members | 18:16 |
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spotz | WoO are doing the Git and Gerrit lunch and learn at summit again | 18:17 |
eglute | i think that is great | 18:17 |
eglute | do you think we should be doing more? | 18:17 |
eglute | i see thingee mentioned next to this item, but I am not sure if anyone talked to him | 18:17 |
spotz | There was talk about possibly doing another day with IRC | 18:18 |
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thingee | hi | 18:18 |
eglute | Hi! | 18:18 |
eglute | thingee https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.19 | 18:18 |
eglute | you are mentioned by workstream 2 | 18:18 |
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thingee | yes, so I think this around the idea of the documentation I *want* to work on for tool chain related stuff | 18:19 |
eglute | would you tell us more about it and how we can help? | 18:20 |
thingee | starting with IRC then eventually getting into other things like gerrit, git | 18:20 |
thingee | It was a pretty common mention that the current tool chain turns people away from wanting to contribute. | 18:20 |
thingee | at the last summit | 18:20 |
eglute | thingee yes, we saw that in the diversity survey results | 18:21 |
thingee | so I've tasked myself with this. I haven't necessarily start any particular chapters, mostly because of honeymoon, holidays, and then having a focus change this month. | 18:21 |
thingee | I'd like to expect to have something to show and tell soon :) | 18:21 |
* eglute congratulates thingee on honeymoon! | 18:21 | |
thingee | mostly because I'm also organizing the Upstream University at the summit, so I'd like to have this content ready then to | 18:22 |
eglute | thingee that sounds like a lot of work, do you have people helping you? | 18:22 |
thingee | there is also the OpenStack Mentoring sponsored by the women of openstack that might be able to use this information | 18:22 |
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thingee | I don't. Mostly because I want to setup the initial docs like with sphinx, the look and feel as an example. Then i can start accepting contributions | 18:23 |
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thingee | so mostly blocked on me. =/ | 18:23 |
eglute | i am sure you have multiple other things going too | 18:24 |
thingee | indeed | 18:24 |
eglute | how could the diversity working group help? | 18:25 |
spotz | thingee do you want Tamara and I to share with you the content for the lunch and learn once we have it? Less duplication of efforts? | 18:25 |
thingee | spotz: sure | 18:25 |
thingee | eglute: I think it would be great once I have some initial doc written for linux/mac os on setting up irc to get feedback from the group | 18:25 |
spotz | Will do, we're meeting again today at 3 | 18:26 |
thingee | this of course will be through normal review process | 18:26 |
eglute | thingee sounds good | 18:26 |
thingee | spotz: eek, I'm way overbooked today so I won't be able to make it. I only have like two hours to actually do work :) | 18:26 |
thingee | spotz: but send me whatever I should look for content please :) | 18:27 |
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spotz | hehehe no worries not sure we'll be up to content but will share our etherpad | 18:27 |
thingee | spotz: thanks | 18:27 |
* thingee also needs to fix his calendar for this event since he apparently has the wrong time. | 18:28 | |
eglute | thank you thingee for working on this. look forward to seeing what you come up with | 18:28 |
thingee | thanks | 18:28 |
eglute | if no more comments on this topic, we can move to the next | 18:28 |
eglute | #topic Reachout to New Diverse Community Members | 18:29 |
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eglute | is Edgar Magana here? I do not know his IRC handle | 18:29 |
eglute | thingee do you know Edgar's handle? | 18:29 |
thingee | nope | 18:30 |
thingee | eglute: ah looks like emagana https://launchpad.net/~emagana | 18:31 |
eglute | ok, lets see if he joins later | 18:31 |
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eglute | thank you thingee! | 18:31 |
eglute | i pinged him on twitter | 18:31 |
eglute | since i dont think he is on irc right now | 18:32 |
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thingee | I usually just a google search for 'first/last name openstack launchpad' usually gives something | 18:32 |
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eglute | thingee good idea, i tried to match something similar to his twitter handle | 18:32 |
eglute | in any case, we have to work on reaching out to new diverse community members | 18:33 |
eglute | spotz have you been part of any conversations about it? | 18:33 |
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spotz | No I've just been involved from the WoO side and our planning for Austin. | 18:34 |
spotz | Lunch and Learn was way more popular then we'd planned for so are repeating and getting it organized earlier to have pre-reqs out | 18:34 |
eglute | that is really good to know. what are you planning for Austin | 18:35 |
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spotz | The lunch and learn, friendly faces, possibly mentoring | 18:36 |
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spotz | The next Austin planning meeting is next Wednesday | 18:37 |
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eglute | cool. if there is bandwidth, would be good to have it on more than one day | 18:37 |
thingee | spotz: do we know what the content is going to be for the mentoring program on sunday before the summit? | 18:37 |
thingee | spotz: I forgot to ask that in the WoO meeting, but did promote it in the last cross-project meeting | 18:37 |
ekhugen_alt | thingee, spotz, I actually wanted to go over the mentoring program stuff with the austin planning group | 18:38 |
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emagana | Am I too late? | 18:38 |
eglute | no you are not! | 18:38 |
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eglute | we are wrapping up the previous topic actually | 18:38 |
ekhugen_alt | because we talked about it at a December WoO meeting, but I wasn't sure if the austin planners got all our room requirements | 18:38 |
thingee | ekhugen_alt: oh hi! Yes this was actually what I wanted to meet and talk to you about | 18:39 |
eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.19 | 18:39 |
emagana | sorry I was dragged into a meeting.. | 18:39 |
eglute | hopefully not this one :) | 18:39 |
ekhugen_alt | oh okay thingee, we can table this for our meeting tomorrow, didn't mean to hijack, sorry | 18:39 |
eglute | regarding reaching out to new community members | 18:40 |
thingee | ekhugen_alt: claire is out right now. but we are going to be talking next week. I was trying to figure out how we would promote each event for volunteers in mentors since they overlap | 18:40 |
eglute | i think the question is, how do we increase diversity in our community in general? | 18:40 |
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* thingee stops hijacking the meeting :) | 18:40 | |
emagana | maybe having a diversity event the day before the summits? | 18:41 |
spotz | eglute I just had a 'duh' moment. I'll announce the next meeting on the OpenStack Innovation Center channel, see if any are interested | 18:41 |
emagana | brainstorming about activities and reachability | 18:41 |
eglute | emagana there usually is WOO event the day before the summit, maybe there could be some combination of the two | 18:42 |
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eglute | also, everyone that is at the summit, already part of the community | 18:42 |
emagana | eglute: Yes, I am aware of that.. We can co-host some activities | 18:42 |
eglute | right, i think that would be good | 18:42 |
eglute | one thing that I was thinking about, encouraging organizers of other OpenStack events to offer free passes to diverse candidates | 18:43 |
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eglute | for example, if there is OpenStack Day San Francisco or similar, ask them to provide some number of free passes | 18:44 |
eglute | Seattle organizers did that last year | 18:44 |
eglute | I would also like to see something were companies were encouraged to send more diverse candidates to the summits | 18:45 |
eglute | usually, most senior people get to go, which does not attract diversity | 18:45 |
spotz | Maybe a perk if some % of attendees are diverse? | 18:46 |
emagana | this is why would be great to have some diverse activities, employees could convince their employees that there is an extra benefit of attending the summits | 18:46 |
eglute | yes, there would need to be incentives | 18:46 |
emagana | and become part of the community | 18:46 |
eglute | emagana yes, i like that | 18:46 |
emagana | free summit pass is not enough to let employees to pay for the summit (hotel, plane, etc) | 18:46 |
eglute | i like spotz idea of perks for the summit if the company sends enough diverse people | 18:47 |
eglute | emagana i agree... and i was thinking free passes (not unlimited of course) for smaller events | 18:47 |
emagana | eglute: +1 | 18:48 |
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eglute | for summits, i think companies might be interested in getting some type of special badge or flare for their booth if they send enough diverse people | 18:48 |
thingee | emagana: these candidates can also do the financial support program. | 18:48 |
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eglute | i am a big fan of travel support program | 18:48 |
emagana | same here... we should increase the number of beneficiaries | 18:49 |
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spotz | I'm grateful for the travel program:) | 18:49 |
eglute | ok, I will talk to the foundation about the numbers | 18:49 |
thingee | perhaps approaching the committee on taking this into consideration | 18:50 |
eglute | #action eglute to reach out to the foundation about the number of recipients for the travel program | 18:50 |
thingee | eglute: while I'm here, what numbers exactly do you need ;) | 18:50 |
eglute | thingee which committee are you referring to? | 18:50 |
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thingee | the one that decides who they accept for support | 18:50 |
thingee | oh got it recipients | 18:51 |
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eglute | regarding the numbers: i would like to know what numbers foundation supported in the past, and whether it was capped at amount of $, or the lack of qualifying applicants | 18:51 |
thingee | eglute: sure I can figure that out. | 18:51 |
eglute | thank you thingee | 18:52 |
eglute | #action thingee to get numbers and more details about the travel program | 18:52 |
eglute | what does everyone think about encouraging companies to bring more diverse people? | 18:52 |
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eglute | do you think it is realistic? | 18:53 |
eglute | i know that travel is expensive, and each company handles differently who they send | 18:53 |
emagana | what about OpenStack in your Country? | 18:53 |
spotz | Diversity is a big buzz word so it's possibly though unless it's worth the companies while there are budgets | 18:53 |
eglute | emagana what do you mean? | 18:53 |
thingee | eglute: so my only thought on that is to encourage companies not to have their own separate program just to mkae a bigger splash. Otherwise it's not really community controlled in a way. | 18:53 |
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spotz | I can't type | 18:54 |
emagana | having them the opportunity to show and talk about how OS is being used in their countries with all the cultural barriers that could be involved | 18:54 |
eglute | thingee i was thinking of something that would be part of the summit as a whole | 18:54 |
thingee | I've had numerous reps from companies ask me to promote their own special program. While it's great they're working towards this common goal, I have no idea about how their program works. It especially makes me a little upset when I've talked to them about outreachy, or other programs and that's their response. | 18:55 |
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eglute | emagana i like where this is going, are you thinking talking about it during summit, or? | 18:55 |
emagana | eglute: this is just right now an idea | 18:55 |
emagana | eglute: happy to formalize it and share it in the conference | 18:56 |
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eglute | thingee thats something to keep in mind. we could a diversity openstack page were companies can brag about how many outreachy people they support as well as how diverse their org is | 18:56 |
eglute | if companies need to compete against each other, that would be another incentive | 18:57 |
spotz | And special brag blog post or tweet for the diverse companies at Summit | 18:58 |
eglute | emagana i think it would be good to have something for the summit, as in, encourage companies to bring more diversity, and then maybe we can get 2 minutes during a keynote to talk about it, or something like that | 18:58 |
eglute | spotz, right | 18:58 |
emagana | eglute: awesome! | 18:58 |
eglute | this is a really good conversation. we are almost out of time, I will try to follow up with people tomorrow or early next week | 18:59 |
eglute | thank you everyone for joining | 18:59 |
emagana | Thank you! | 18:59 |
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eglute | hope to continue soon! | 18:59 |
eglute | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity/2016/diversity.2016-01-14-18.03.html | 18:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity/2016/diversity.2016-01-14-18.03.txt | 18:59 |
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