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| piet | #startmeeting openstack_ux | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jan 15 15:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is piet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux' | 15:00 |
| piet | Let's take a quick role call | 15:01 |
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| ducttape_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| hurgleburgler | o/ | 15:02 |
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| julim | hiya | 15:03 |
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| piet | Howdy! | 15:03 |
| piet | #topic persona validation | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "persona validation (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:04 | |
| piet | We're currently running a survey to validate the five personas that were created in Austin this fall | 15:05 |
| julim | awesome! | 15:05 |
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| piet | It essentially asks respondents to identify their roles which sends them to a specific survey wherre they effectively agree or disagree | 15:06 |
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| piet | Wondering out loud whether we'll find that all personas essentially do all tasks | 15:06 |
| piet | ut, less or more of the time based on their specific roles | 15:07 |
| julim | might depend on size of company and deployment phase | 15:07 |
| piet | "But," | 15:07 |
| piet | We're capturing that as well. I'm not looking forward to the analysis | 15:07 |
| piet | The link to the survey is https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2C27W3C | 15:08 |
| piet | I'm hoping about ~ n=30 per persona | 15:08 |
| piet | Please forward link to folks at your company!! I'm begging! | 15:09 |
| piet | The foundation has also committed to distributing the survey, but they went a bit quiet | 15:10 |
| julim | cool | 15:10 |
| tsufiev | piet, btw, I forwarded invite to an interview with app devs to my colleagues at Mirantis | 15:10 |
| tsufiev | hopefully, somebody will respond | 15:10 |
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| piet | Cool - is that for scheduling for the User Dashboard study? | 15:11 |
| piet | Or the persona validation? | 15:11 |
| piet | One goes to survey monkey while the other goes to doodle | 15:11 |
| tsufiev | it was about Enterprise App devs interviews | 15:11 |
| piet | Sweet! Excited about that study! | 15:12 |
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| piet | ducttape_ Do you have any app developers that could participate in a one hour interview? | 15:12 |
| piet | robcresswell Do you have any app developers that could participate in a one hour interview? | 15:13 |
| piet | The link is https://doodle.com/poll/5sqy2gr8c34fzqy8 | 15:13 |
| piet | Any questions about the persona study? | 15:13 |
| piet | #topic User Dashboard Study | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Dashboard Study (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:14 | |
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| piet | "User Dashboard Study" is not quite an accurate name. This is really about understanding workflows/use cases around how app devs use horizon | 15:15 |
| piet | Which should impact the UX design of the Overview panel | 15:16 |
| tsufiev | piet, perhaps Kevin Fox who's working on App Catalog plugin may provide some feedback | 15:16 |
| piet | Yep. he's already signed up! | 15:16 |
| tsufiev | also, you may be interested to talk with Murano Apps devs | 15:16 |
| tsufiev | kzaitsev_mb as the contact here | 15:17 |
| piet | Just wrote it down | 15:18 |
| piet | I may not have time today because I'm leaving for Seattle | 15:18 |
| tsufiev | that's quite an interesting thing for me as well - but currently I'm quite busy with Horizon testability and performance stuff | 15:18 |
| piet | You can always join one or two interviews and take notes. We're generally set-up an etherpad annd have the observers take notes in real time | 15:19 |
| tsufiev | we tried to design some patterns in Murano for a 'constructing composite apps in a Lego-like fashion', but clearly nobody of us had enough UX expertise | 15:19 |
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| tsufiev | piet, you mean, people may join to an interview and just watch silently? | 15:20 |
| piet | Let me chat with someone at Intel. I know there was also some interest in looking at Fuel. They're just overwhelmed at the moment | 15:20 |
| piet | tsufiev yes. I also take breaks every ten minutes an allow the observers to ask questions | 15:21 |
| tsufiev | interesting... are you going to publish interviews schedule? | 15:21 |
| tsufiev | (when you have candidates) | 15:21 |
| piet | We also collaborate on the questions that shoudl be included an an etherpad | 15:22 |
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| piet | We already have 3/8. I typically send invites to interested parties | 15:22 |
| tsufiev | I'd like to join and observe at least 1 or 2 interviews | 15:22 |
| piet | The only caveat is that you are required to take notes if you observe | 15:23 |
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| tsufiev | I'll do my best ) | 15:23 |
| piet | That's all we ask ;^) It's a bit tough if julim attends because she's an epic note taker | 15:24 |
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| piet | Any other questions? | 15:24 |
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| piet | hurgleburgler are you still with us? | 15:25 |
| julim | piet... did I miss something? | 15:25 |
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| julim | are we talking ironic or fuel? | 15:25 |
| piet | Heh..talking about what an epic notetaker you are | 15:25 |
| hurgleburgler | o/ | 15:25 |
| julim | lol | 15:25 |
| hurgleburgler | i'm lurking | 15:25 |
| julim | happy to help in any way... | 15:25 |
| piet | julim chatting about the user dashboard study | 15:26 |
| piet | If you can, send out a link to anyone that is interested in participating https://doodle.com/poll/5sqy2gr8c34fzqy8 | 15:26 |
| piet | "We’re scheduling interviews with developers to help us understand their processes around developing, testing and deploying apps to the cloud. These are not folks that administer the cloud, but rather individuals that consumer cloud services. " | 15:26 |
| piet | "consume" | 15:27 |
| julim | is it possible to get a summary of all activities, and where we need folks to send out links or participate, etc.? | 15:27 |
| julim | even if brief in a bullet form, it would be nice to broadcast what we're doing and also know where help is sought (kinda like a newsletter of sorts / status update) | 15:27 |
| tsufiev | piet, what's the TZ in doodle? | 15:27 |
| tsufiev | is it my local TZ or UTC? | 15:27 |
| piet | Schedule here https://doodle.com/poll/5sqy2gr8c34fzqy8 | 15:28 |
| piet | You should be able to change ni the far right of doodle | 15:28 |
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| piet | Let me kow if you aren't able to set time zone and I'll take a look at the settings | 15:29 |
| piet | Are we ready to move on? | 15:30 |
| hurgleburgler | Yup | 15:30 |
| piet | #topic Move to a UX repository | 15:30 |
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| tsufiev | yes. I logged there with my google acc, think it solves TZ ambiguity | 15:30 |
| hurgleburgler | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263357/ | 15:30 |
| piet | hurgleburgler the flow is yours | 15:30 |
| piet | "floor" | 15:30 |
| hurgleburgler | just need to fix up the things that robcresswell pointed out | 15:30 |
| piet | Do you know when we can start posting mocks? | 15:31 |
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| hurgleburgler | well, we can post reviews to the repo, but they are going to fail Jenkins until we get the repo seeded with this stuff | 15:31 |
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| piet | What stuff? | 15:32 |
| hurgleburgler | I can make the updates today, and if I can get a couple of +2s, then we can have it merged today, I think | 15:32 |
| robcresswell | testing frameworks etc | 15:32 |
| hurgleburgler | Its just a starting point too, so I'm sure its not exactly perfect | 15:32 |
| piet | What's the link? | 15:32 |
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| robcresswell | I'll be around to +2 it | 15:32 |
| hurgleburgler | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263357/ | 15:32 |
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| piet | Let me go there now | 15:33 |
| piet | Done | 15:33 |
| hurgleburgler | I'll need to make some updates first piet | 15:33 |
| hurgleburgler | :-D | 15:33 |
| ducttape_ | I think some of that stuff, will need adjustments over time. this repo will be special, compared to all the other openstack repos | 15:33 |
| piet | Ohhh...my bad | 15:33 |
| ducttape_ | and did you talk w infra about getting images to show in gerrit hurgleburgler ? | 15:34 |
| hurgleburgler | I think we can get it merged by today | 15:34 |
| piet | The UX team is "special" | 15:34 |
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| ducttape_ | I think that is possible, but takes some hacking | 15:34 |
| hurgleburgler | I haven't yet, I can touch base with them though | 15:34 |
| hurgleburgler | what are we thinking … just the basics? | 15:34 |
| hurgleburgler | .png, .gif and .svg? | 15:34 |
| hurgleburgler | .jpg | 15:35 |
| robcresswell | doubt even .gif. More like png jpg | 15:35 |
| piet | 15:35 | |
| hurgleburgler | I don't think that's possible | 15:35 |
| ducttape_ | animated gif - always | 15:36 |
| hurgleburgler | I could be wrong, but I'm not sure you can embed pdf inside of a page | 15:36 |
| piet | k - note that the png will either be huge or we'll need a few images | 15:36 |
| piet | There are alot of screens for some of those mocks | 15:36 |
| hurgleburgler | yeah | 15:36 |
| hurgleburgler | people can always pull the code and look at it directly on their computers too | 15:36 |
| ducttape_ | it's really kind of like two divs or iframes.... content on left and right, let the browser mime types show em | 15:36 |
| hurgleburgler | I'll reach out and see what they think | 15:37 |
| piet | Slight tangent...I'm noting that some of the cores have fallen off the map. | 15:37 |
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| robcresswell | Yes, I've been pretty inactive. | 15:38 |
| julim | I admit I'm not as active as I should be... | 15:38 |
| piet | robcresswell you're fine | 15:38 |
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| robcresswell | *relief* | 15:38 |
| piet | julim you're fine | 15:38 |
| piet | ducttape is fine | 15:38 |
| julim | <relief> | 15:38 |
| piet | ducttape_ is fine | 15:38 |
| piet | It's not just reviews, but also participating in studies, attending meetings, taking notes, etc | 15:39 |
| * ducttape_ comes out of hiding | 15:39 | |
| piet | So, everyone on this discussion is fine | 15:39 |
| hurgleburgler | phew | 15:39 |
| robcresswell | But everyone else is in trouble :p | 15:40 |
| piet | How do we talk about adding/removing? | 15:40 |
| tsufiev | lol ) | 15:40 |
| ducttape_ | I think during each cycle, the PTL can add / remove new cores as needed. I think this seems like something to do every 6 months, take inventory on anything that needs to be changed. right? | 15:40 |
| julim | piet - any thought to send a weekly email with updates/requests/etc? | 15:40 |
| piet | We have been sending something once a week | 15:40 |
| julim | just for things to review | 15:40 |
| piet | Not consistently, though | 15:41 |
| julim | but would be nice to be consistent, and also list the studies | 15:41 |
| julim | pls. send out this or that link for x | 15:41 |
| piet | k | 15:41 |
| julim | and a due date | 15:41 |
| julim | for each item so folks know when they need to respond by date | 15:41 |
| julim | thx | 15:41 |
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| piet | We just missed this week | 15:42 |
| piet | But I should also include reviews | 15:42 |
| piet | Rather, include studies, recruiting efforts etc | 15:42 |
| julim | yes. | 15:42 |
| julim | you could even crowdsource getting it done... | 15:42 |
| robcresswell | Sounds awesome | 15:42 |
| piet | Any thoughts on how to add/remove folks? IS that a group discussion? | 15:43 |
| julim | make each lead responsible for filling the info in | 15:43 |
| hurgleburgler | +1 | 15:43 |
| julim | to add/remove folks, it's typically done through voting in the regular projects | 15:43 |
| robcresswell | piet: Technically, PTL decides cores, but just dropping people is a quick way to piss people/companies off | 15:43 |
| piet | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ux-approval-priorities | 15:43 |
| piet | robcresswell agree | 15:43 |
| hurgleburgler | maybe we should agree on a minimum criteria to remain core | 15:44 |
| julim | agree | 15:44 |
| robcresswell | Best thing to do with inactive people is email and say you'd like them to be more active | 15:44 |
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| julim | but if you have clearly stated guidelines on the commitment and timeframe, it might be less fuzzy to folks | 15:44 |
| julim | and what expectations are for cores | 15:44 |
| ducttape_ | yes, just dropping out of the blue is not ideal. I wasn't sure if you had to vote to drop too? | 15:44 |
| robcresswell | avoid public name and shame etc. Give people a couple weeks, if they dont sort it out, remove/ let them stand down. | 15:44 |
| piet | robcresswell k | 15:44 |
| julim | also you need to account for folks that are on vacation or fmla | 15:45 |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: I dont think there is an official rule on voting for cores etc. I think the PTL just picks them. | 15:45 |
| ducttape_ | except for robcresswell, we can shame him a bunch ;) (trolling) | 15:45 |
| piet | Good advice. I was a bit worried about pissing people off | 15:45 |
| tsufiev | btw, speaking of review priorities - I think Identity Topology is pretty ready, no nobody besides me comes for the final vote | 15:45 |
| matt-borland | I can be shamed as well :) | 15:45 |
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| piet | tsufiev Do you have a link? | 15:45 |
| tsufiev | piet, https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/main#/console/4926628/108119907/comments/45596866 | 15:46 |
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| piet | Everyone please look at +2/-2. In this case, the dev has been hugely receptive to feedback | 15:47 |
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| hurgleburgler | k | 15:47 |
| piet | Also, take a look at https://invis.io/ZY5M6CJ4P | 15:47 |
| piet | Modal Alerts stuff | 15:47 |
| piet | So, props to hurgleburgler on her epic efforts on creating a rep. Round of applause! | 15:48 |
| ducttape_ | so is that a pattern that might be used elsewhere? I know the key creation is kind of an odd duck | 15:49 |
| ducttape_ | +1 for the new repo | 15:49 |
| hurgleburgler | \o/ | 15:49 |
| hurgleburgler | How are we looking on the pattern library? | 15:49 |
| piet | ducttape_ we are trying to use the same patterns across all alerts, but key pairs is weird | 15:49 |
| hurgleburgler | Themeing in Horizon is coming along slowly … we will get to a point when we are ready to create a new theme based on the pattern library | 15:50 |
| hurgleburgler | it would be great if the designs for it were vetted and done before we get to that point | 15:50 |
| piet | hurgleburgler we need someone to start looking at storing patterns somewhere | 15:50 |
| hurgleburgler | Store what? The images? | 15:51 |
| piet | Sonia (Intel) did a design, but mashed together a new layout for wizards, transfer tables and visual design. I've asked her to break them apart so no one gets confused about what to review | 15:52 |
| ducttape_ | seems like the repo we have, could have markdown content trying to walk through common patterns | 15:52 |
| piet | ducttape Agreed | 15:52 |
| hurgleburgler | Yeah | 15:52 |
| piet | Patterns approval process | 15:52 |
| piet | Sweet | 15:52 |
| piet | hurgleburgler master plan is coming together ;^) | 15:53 |
| hurgleburgler | ٩(͡๏̮͡๏)۶ | 15:53 |
| piet | What is that? | 15:53 |
| robcresswell | Some kind of zany celebrating thing | 15:54 |
| piet | It's kind of freaking me out | 15:54 |
| tsufiev | a mechanic in large glasses? | 15:54 |
| piet | Do you mind if I pound through a couple of other items? We're running out of time | 15:54 |
| piet | #topic OpenStack UX mid-cycle London | 15:55 |
| hurgleburgler | go for it | 15:55 |
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| piet | Recommended agenda is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-mid-cycle | 15:55 |
| piet | Please add/edit | 15:55 |
| hurgleburgler | this the one in london? | 15:56 |
| piet | Yeah | 15:56 |
| piet | #topic UX mid-cycle Portland | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UX mid-cycle Portland (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:56 | |
| piet | Agend is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-mid-cycle-portland | 15:56 |
| piet | Please add/edit | 15:56 |
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| piet | #topic Proposed Mitaka papers | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposed Mitaka papers (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:57 | |
| piet | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-summitpresentations | 15:57 |
| piet | Please add/edit | 15:57 |
| piet | Also, I can only proposed three sessions, so may ask some of you to propose them | 15:58 |
| piet | #topic Proposed interim change to review processes | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposed interim change to review processes (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:58 | |
| piet | I wanted to get your feedback on whether we should stop collecting +2/-2 on Invision since we are moving to a repo. I'm noting that its getting a bit hard to manage | 15:59 |
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| piet | Invision is bit chaotic these days | 16:00 |
| piet | Agree/Disagree? | 16:00 |
| hurgleburgler | Agree. | 16:00 |
| robcresswell | Agree | 16:00 |
| matt-borland | Yeah, agree | 16:00 |
| woodm1979 | I'd agree. | 16:00 |
| tsufiev | agree on moving to repo | 16:00 |
| hurgleburgler | I never know what I'm supposed to be looking at | 16:00 |
| ducttape_ | Agree | 16:00 |
| piet | You have my permission to shame anyone for trying to submit code w/o at least trying to solicit reviews in Invision on significant changes to designs | 16:01 |
| piet | Heh | 16:01 |
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| piet | OK - will update wiki to updated reviews | 16:02 |
| piet | OK - last item | 16:02 |
| piet | #topic UI Guidelines Section in the OpenStack Documentation Contributor Guide | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI Guidelines Section in the OpenStack Documentation Contributor Guide (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 16:02 | |
| piet | Linette is doing some good work to add content guidelines for Horizon. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ui-content-guidelines | 16:03 |
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| piet | I think robcresswell is tracking this... | 16:03 |
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| TravT | o/ | 16:03 |
| piet | Dude, hour too late | 16:03 |
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| TravT | well, i gave it a shot, anyway | 16:03 |
| TravT | ;) | 16:03 |
| piet | We've had some issues with the time change | 16:04 |
| piet | Open floor | 16:04 |
| TravT | yeah, my calendar entry isn't on UTC. i'll fix that | 16:04 |
| piet | Otherwise we need to get out of her | 16:04 |
| piet | "here" | 16:04 |
| piet | travt we gave youu a bunch of action items | 16:04 |
| piet | Going, going, going | 16:05 |
| TravT | excellent, i'll add them to the pile of other things I'm failing to complete | 16:05 |
| piet | Thanks everyone for your help! | 16:05 |
| robcresswell | TravT: Know that feeling | 16:05 |
| matt-borland | thx piet | 16:05 |
| hurgleburgler | happy friday! | 16:05 |
| piet | Cheers | 16:05 |
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| TravT | o/ | 16:05 |
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| hurgleburgler | (◠‿◠✿)ノ | 16:05 |
| piet | #endmeeting openstack_ux | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:05 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jan 15 16:05:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:05 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2016/openstack_ux.2016-01-15-15.00.html | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2016/openstack_ux.2016-01-15-15.00.txt | 16:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2016/openstack_ux.2016-01-15-15.00.log.html | 16:05 |
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