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| fhermeni | hello | 12:52 |
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| fhermeni | Is this the meeting room for the watcher project ? | 13:10 |
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| jed56 | fhermeni : yes | 14:00 |
| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 14:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| acabot | hi | 14:00 |
| jed56 | o/ | 14:00 |
| dtardivel | Hi | 14:00 |
| tpeoples | o/ | 14:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:00 |
| acabot | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#01.2F13.2F2016 | 14:00 |
| fhermeni | hi | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
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| cdupont | hi | 14:02 |
| acabot | #topic Annoucements | 14:02 |
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| acabot | #info 1st draft of mid-cycle agenda is available https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_mitaka_mid-cycle_meetup_agenda#Agenda | 14:02 |
| sballe | o/ | 14:02 |
| acabot | feel free to change timings and subjects | 14:03 |
| sballe | acabot: Do you know if we can do working lunches? I think an hour for lunch is a long time. | 14:03 |
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| sballe | maybe we do lunch in 30 minutes | 14:04 |
| acabot | sballe: thats my french spirit ;-) | 14:04 |
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| sballe | lol | 14:04 |
| jed56 | Maybe we can a topic regarding ceilometer ( performance, cache, .. ) | 14:05 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:05 |
| acabot | I will ask jwcroppe | 14:05 |
| acabot | #action acabot add a topic regarding ceilometer to the agenda | 14:05 |
| sballe | jed56: I would add that topic to open discussions. Not sure we 2 hours for open discussions | 14:05 |
| acabot | the Nova mid-cycle will take place in Bristol in 2 weeks and they plan to discuss scheduler improvements https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:06 |
| jed56 | sballe : I am just wondering what we're doing to make us think Ceilometer won't pose a performance problem? Is there some other caching that's happening somewhere? | 14:06 |
| acabot | I wont be able to attend but we should look at the etherpads between the 2 meetings | 14:06 |
| acabot | any other announcement ? | 14:07 |
| sballe | acabot: I cannot go either to the Nova meeting. I hope jwcroppe can go | 14:07 |
| edleafe | I won't be at the Nova mid-cycle either | 14:07 |
| sballe | jed56: I think Ceilomter is a problem so I would like for us to discss that | 14:07 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:08 |
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| sballe | jed56 I think we said it wasn't a problem for the poc since we weren't doing produciton liek stuff | 14:08 |
| tpeoples | i don't think jwcroppe was planning on making it to the nova midcycle | 14:08 |
| acabot | ok | 14:08 |
| acabot | sballe: maybe we should discuss also Monasca integration ;-) | 14:09 |
| jed56 | acabot: +1 | 14:09 |
| sballe | ok. acabot since you guys are kind of local could you send somebody just so our voice is heard | 14:09 |
| sballe | Monasca and Ceilosca should be considered. | 14:09 |
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| acabot | sballe: unfortunately I cant but I had a discussion with bauzas who will attend about our requirements, I'm also in discussion with him to submit a talk for the summit | 14:10 |
| sballe | ok cool! | 14:10 |
| acabot | lets move to Watcher specs now | 14:10 |
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| acabot | #info Intel POC specs have been merged | 14:11 |
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| acabot | #info dynamic actions specs have been merged and there is a lot of code moving right now | 14:12 |
| sballe | yeah +1 thx to everybody who contributed to make that happen | 14:12 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-add-actions-via-conf | 14:12 |
| acabot | all these reviews will have to be merged at the same time | 14:13 |
| acabot | jed56: do you think we can do it by end of week ? | 14:13 |
| sballe | ok | 14:13 |
| jed56 | yes I think a waiting for last reviews | 14:13 |
| acabot | there are still 2 specs open regarding consolidation grammar and constraints management | 14:14 |
| acabot | sballe: did you have a look at them ? | 14:14 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: we waiting for another +2 on these patchsets ;) | 14:15 |
| acabot | cdupont: do you handle both of them ? | 14:15 |
| cdupont | yes | 14:15 |
| cdupont | they are in our hands | 14:15 |
| tpeoples | looking dtardivel | 14:15 |
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| sballe | acabot: I will look at them today/ I have been traveling and it messes up my todos | 14:15 |
| cdupont | it's a proof of concept for a strategy using BtrPlace | 14:15 |
| acabot | cdupont: as I said in my last comment, I dont think we should have our own system dealing with constraints | 14:16 |
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| cdupont | OK | 14:16 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:16 |
| cdupont | I'm not sure I understood your comment :) | 14:16 |
| cdupont | Where would the constraints come from? | 14:16 |
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| acabot | cdupont : Nova | 14:16 |
| cdupont | but the implementation/solver could be in Watcher? | 14:17 |
| jed56 | cdupont: yes | 14:17 |
| cdupont | OK | 14:17 |
| cdupont | so this work should be paused? | 14:17 |
| acabot | cdupont : yes but the way you have written specs, you dont get constraints from Nova | 14:17 |
| cdupont | I see | 14:17 |
| jed56 | IMHO, we have to pull the constraints from (congress, nova, ... ) | 14:17 |
| jed56 | and then use it we any strategies or sovler | 14:18 |
| acabot | +1 and then deal with consolidation through algorithms in Watcher | 14:18 |
| cdupont | how the constraints are solved at the moment? | 14:18 |
| sballe | +1 on what jed56 said | 14:18 |
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| jed56 | cdupont : we don't :p | 14:18 |
| cdupont | I mean, this is an NP hard problem, so only using filters is limited | 14:18 |
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| jed56 | we have to call nova filters for the P.OC | 14:19 |
| jed56 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/helper-nova-select-destinations | 14:19 |
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| jed56 | cdupont : +1 | 14:19 |
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| acabot | cdupont : we are looking at how to get these constraints from Nova #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/helper-nova-select-destinations | 14:19 |
| cdupont | using a solver like CP solver / linear integer etc. can lead to better placements | 14:19 |
| edleafe | jed56: remember, though, there is no public interface to Nova's filtering | 14:19 |
| acabot | cdupont: but its a tricky question | 14:20 |
| jed56 | edlefe : yes sadly | 14:20 |
| edleafe | jed56: and there isn't any planned in the future | 14:20 |
| jed56 | I think we can deal with contraints without nova filter but something it can be nice to use it | 14:20 |
| acabot | edleafe: right, we need to discuss it at the mid-cycle | 14:20 |
| edleafe | the best way to work with nova is to select a host and then call live-migrate. If the host doesn't match the filter requirement, catch that and retry | 14:21 |
| cdupont | So I'll wait that this question is stabilised to make progress | 14:21 |
| bzhou | remeber, scheduler select_destinations() only returns one host per instance | 14:21 |
| sballe | I agree this is a good topic for the mid-ccyle | 14:21 |
| jed56 | bzhou : +1 | 14:21 |
| sballe | bzhou: +1 | 14:21 |
| edleafe | bzhou: remember too that there is no way to call select_destinations from outside of Nova. | 14:21 |
| acabot | cdupont: I will keep your BPs in discussion state for now | 14:21 |
| cdupont | acabot: OK | 14:21 |
| sballe | acabot: We should bring this up as an issues at the nova mid-cycle. can you pass this on to your contact | 14:22 |
| bzhou | as we use live migration in watcher, we can leverage nova's bp: check_destination | 14:22 |
| jed56 | IMHO, the first thing is to find the best way to collect the constraints | 14:22 |
| acabot | sballe: I will | 14:22 |
| bzhou | which will fail if the specified target host cannot pass filters | 14:22 |
| sballe | acabot: thx | 14:22 |
| jed56 | if we want to solve it | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | bzhou: yes, that seems to be the only way. Select a host, and let check_destination reject it if necessary | 14:22 |
| acabot | #action acabot give bauzas a more detailed view of our requirements on Nova scheduler | 14:23 |
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| tpeoples | that's definitely going to have scale issues edleafe , but i understand currently that would be our only option. i think we should at least try to work with nova to get something better | 14:23 |
| bzhou | tpeoples: +1 | 14:23 |
| acabot | tpeoples : +1 | 14:23 |
| edleafe | tpeoples: agreed. But when I spoke with people there after last week's meeting, they didn't seem very eager | 14:24 |
| edleafe | Unfortunately, the scheduler is strictly internal to Nova for the foreseeable future | 14:24 |
| edleafe | :( | 14:24 |
| bzhou | edleafe: I read your discussion. I heard Neutron also wants a similar feature? | 14:24 |
| tpeoples | :( acabot can we work with bauzas to understand if using the scheduler filters in the way we want is out of the picture? | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Neutron, Cinder, and one or two others all have generic scheduling needs | 14:25 |
| acabot | bzhou : yes Neutron has pretty much the same use case and they plan to discuss it full day during the nova mid-cycle | 14:25 |
| sballe | tpeoples: +1 | 14:25 |
| edleafe | But nova's scheduler is specific to compute resources | 14:25 |
| edleafe | it can't handle anything else | 14:25 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:25 |
| edleafe | it even has a very hard time with ironic | 14:25 |
| sballe | lol +1 | 14:26 |
| tpeoples | is that the goal of the super scheduler by harlowja, to fill this void? | 14:26 |
| tpeoples | i haven't had time to look into that much | 14:26 |
| edleafe | tpeoples: not familiar with that. Link? | 14:26 |
| sballe | IMO we don't need a super scheduler We just need ApI to the various schedulers | 14:26 |
| acabot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549/ | 14:26 |
| jed56 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549/ | 14:26 |
| acabot | fhermeni is working on this review | 14:27 |
| sballe | thx I hadn't seen that work | 14:27 |
| acabot | it is done on "OpenStack global specs" | 14:27 |
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| tpeoples | no acabot, i don't want to go into the deep end with that super scheduler, just wanted to mention it. | 14:27 |
| fhermeni | tpeoples: the purpose of the « super-scheduler » is to provide a unique entry point to every scheduling aspects. The implementation at the backend might handle the scheduling completely or split and forward to different schedulers (nova, neutron …) | 14:28 |
| sballe | ok just added myself as a reviewer | 14:28 |
| acabot | #info there is a super-scheduler wip https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549/ | 14:28 |
| fhermeni | tpeoples: it just exposes an entry point where users specify their expectations in terms of scheduling | 14:28 |
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| acabot | sorry, I'm coming back to the agenda | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | thanks fhermeni | 14:29 |
| acabot | #info devstack plugin has been merged | 14:29 |
| sballe | cool! +1 | 14:29 |
| sballe | great job tpeoples | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | do we want to send a note to the ML about this ? | 14:30 |
| sballe | definetly | 14:30 |
| acabot | thx for that, it was one of our Mitaka priorities | 14:30 |
| bzhou | tpeoples: great, thanks | 14:30 |
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| tpeoples | #action tpeoples send note to ML regarding devstack | 14:30 |
| acabot | thx | 14:30 |
| acabot | dtardivel started working on Watcher CLI | 14:31 |
| acabot | to bring Watcher evolutions in our client | 14:31 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: we have to validate again live migration triggered by Watcher on devstack | 14:31 |
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| acabot | #info Watcher client launchpad is now set up https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-watcherclient | 14:31 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: this is an opened bug on it :) | 14:31 |
| tpeoples | link? | 14:32 |
| tpeoples | ah yes | 14:32 |
| dtardivel | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1531912 | 14:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531912 in watcher ""MIGRATE" action triggered by Watcher Applier failed on devstack" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to David TARDIVEL (david-tardivel) | 14:32 |
| tpeoples | i have a workaround for that, but i was waiting for jed56's refactoring stuff to merge first | 14:32 |
| acabot | now, when you submit a BP, please think about where it is the most suitable (Watcher or Watcher CLI) | 14:32 |
| acabot | #topic | 14:33 |
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| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:33 |
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| tpeoples | same as you dtardivel, so OK :) | 14:33 |
| acabot | could everyone update the delivery field of its BPs ? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher | 14:34 |
| acabot | it would be much easier for me to track progress ! | 14:34 |
| dtardivel | acabot: +1 | 14:34 |
| tpeoples | will do | 14:35 |
| acabot | #action jed56 seanmurphy vmahe acabot tpeoples vincentfrancoise bzhou update delivery field on launchpad for affected blueprints | 14:35 |
| acabot | any update on BPs from alexstav ? | 14:36 |
| tpeoples | doesn't look like he's here | 14:36 |
| acabot | tpeoples : thx ;-) | 14:36 |
| tpeoples | if i see him on irc i'll ask him during the US day | 14:37 |
| acabot | we need to create a new repo for Watcher UI (in horizon) | 14:37 |
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| acabot | can we agree on naming it "Watcher dashboard" as it is the common name used by other openstack projects ? | 14:37 |
| tpeoples | watcher-dashboard, watcher-ui | 14:38 |
| tpeoples | i'm fine with either | 14:38 |
| acabot | or anyone wants another name ? | 14:38 |
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| jed56 | watcher-ui | 14:38 |
| jed56 | the other projects => monasca-ui, magnum-ui , zaqar-ui | 14:38 |
| vincentfrancoise | watcher-dashboard | 14:38 |
| tpeoples | :D | 14:39 |
| vincentfrancoise | but doesn't matter to me really | 14:39 |
| sballe | I like to follow the rest of openstack | 14:39 |
| acabot | jed56 : ok murano-dashboard, cloudkitty-dashboard ;-) | 14:39 |
| jed56 | yes : ) | 14:39 |
| sballe | lol | 14:39 |
| jed56 | vincentfrancoise:+1 | 14:39 |
| dtardivel | I prefer watcher-ui. this is the name used internaly | 14:40 |
| sballe | dashboard is probably better in case we later get a ops-console | 14:40 |
| sballe | ui can be dashboard and console | 14:40 |
| sballe | but I can go either way | 14:40 |
| acabot | #startvote Watcher UI name ? watcher-ui, watcher-dashboard, dont care | 14:41 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Watcher UI name ? Valid vote options are watcher-ui, watcher-dashboard, dont, care. | 14:41 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:41 |
| dtardivel | #vote watcher-ui | 14:41 |
| acabot | #vote watcher-dashboard | 14:41 |
| vincentfrancoise | #vote watcher-dashboard | 14:41 |
| brunograz | #vote watcher-dashboard | 14:41 |
| sballe | #vote watcher-dashboard | 14:41 |
| jed56 | #vote watcher-ui :p | 14:41 |
| tpeoples | #vote watcher-ui | 14:41 |
| openstack | jed56: watcher-ui :p is not a valid option. Valid options are watcher-ui, watcher-dashboard, dont, care. | 14:41 |
| edleafe | #vote watcher-dashboard | 14:41 |
| jed56 | #vote watcher-ui | 14:42 |
| bzhou | #vote watcher-dashboard | 14:42 |
| acabot | #showvote | 14:42 |
| openstack | watcher-dashboard (6): bzhou, vincentfrancoise, sballe, acabot, edleafe, brunograz | 14:42 |
| openstack | watcher-ui (3): tpeoples, dtardivel, jed56 | 14:42 |
| fhermeni | #vote watcher-ui | 14:42 |
| tpeoples | dashboard it is | 14:42 |
| sballe | :) | 14:42 |
| acabot | #endvote | 14:42 |
| openstack | Voted on "Watcher UI name ?" Results are | 14:42 |
| tpeoples | even with fhermeni ^ | 14:42 |
| openstack | watcher-dashboard (6): bzhou, vincentfrancoise, sballe, acabot, edleafe, brunograz | 14:42 |
| openstack | watcher-ui (4): tpeoples, dtardivel, jed56, fhermeni | 14:42 |
| acabot | lets go with watcher-dashboard | 14:43 |
| acabot | thx | 14:43 |
| jed56 | good luck dtarvidel for the refactoring ! | 14:43 |
| tpeoples | haha | 14:43 |
| sballe | ups! | 14:43 |
| jed56 | I was in your side :p | 14:43 |
| dtardivel | jed56: :( | 14:43 |
| fhermeni | :D | 14:43 |
| sballe | dtardivel: sorry about that :( | 14:43 |
| acabot | #info bugs status for mitaka-2 https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/mitaka-2 | 14:44 |
| acabot | we should freeze mitaka-2 around January 20th | 14:44 |
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| acabot | #info we will need someone on this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1527189 | 14:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527189 in watcher "Update the documentation to explain how to change the ceilometer API backend" [High,New] | 14:45 |
| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:46 |
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| acabot | 14 minutes left | 14:46 |
| sballe | Can we talk about the talk submisisons | 14:46 |
| acabot | Proposed talks are still in review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Watcher_abstracts_austin2016 | 14:46 |
| acabot | and sballe wants to submit them asap | 14:47 |
| acabot | can we submit them by end of week ? | 14:47 |
| sballe | I just need the email addresses people use with openstack. | 14:47 |
| sballe | please add them to the etherpad | 14:47 |
| acabot | ok | 14:48 |
| acabot | global requirements https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1533282 | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1533282 in watcher "Watcher should use openstack global requirements" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Taylor Peoples (tpeoples) | 14:48 |
| sballe | Who else should be onthe "Watcher a Resource Manager for OpenStack: Plans for the N-release and beyond" talk | 14:48 |
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| sballe | I have acabot, jwcroppe and sballe | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | i'd be interested in talking for the demo regarding devstack sballe | 14:48 |
| acabot | tpeoples: put your name on the hands-on lab | 14:49 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | alright | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | dtardivel and I discussed yesterday and agreed that we should be included in openstack/requirements project | 14:49 |
| sballe | for the hands on we will need more people to help. | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | which basically makes sure our requirements are always in sync with openstack | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | 's global requirements | 14:50 |
| vincentfrancoise | +1 | 14:50 |
| tpeoples | but it looks like we'll need to move our requirements to master, not liberty | 14:50 |
| tpeoples | are we OK with that? | 14:50 |
| jed56 | what are the difference ? | 14:51 |
| jed56 | the version are more updated ? | 14:51 |
| tpeoples | just different versions essentially | 14:51 |
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| tpeoples | i can change them locally and do a smoke test and make sure nothing major is broken | 14:51 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: what is the risk ? :) | 14:51 |
| sballe | acabot: tpeoples I'll check on the status of the etherpad on friday and submit EOD friday. ok? | 14:51 |
| tpeoples | nothing really, i think we need to do it dtardivel | 14:51 |
| tpeoples | so i'll move forward | 14:51 |
| sballe | acabot: Can you add jed56 or dtardivel to the hands on lab? | 14:52 |
| acabot | sballe: submit 2 talks for the summit before friday EOD | 14:52 |
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| jed56 | tpeoples: +2 | 14:52 |
| acabot | sballe: not clear about how many people we will have at the summit | 14:52 |
| acabot | any other discussion ? | 14:53 |
| sballe | acabot: understood. In the past various companies were only sending people ot Openstack that had a talk so this is why I have been pushing for adding people :) | 14:54 |
| acabot | cdupont : do you think we could add btrPlace as a new strategy in Watcher ? | 14:54 |
| acabot | sballe: thats a good way to do ;-) | 14:54 |
| cdupont | I think so | 14:55 |
| sballe | Rackspace and HP are operating taht way | 14:55 |
| sballe | and I believe so is Intel | 14:55 |
| cdupont | fhermeni might also have an opinion on that | 14:55 |
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| cdupont | but we need to translate the Nova constraints to BtrPlace constraints | 14:56 |
| acabot | cdupont fhermeni : would you be interested in working on this ? | 14:56 |
| fhermeni | acabot: it would be great but on my side, it is too soon. I am working on the scheduler spec for the moment | 14:56 |
| cdupont | Actually in CN the next months will be very hard | 14:56 |
| acabot | cdupont : yes, we need to solve the constraints pb before but as btrPlace is in Java, it will take time to have it in Python | 14:56 |
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| cdupont | yes | 14:57 |
| fhermeni | acabot: I will have agenda issues as well :D. I will first make BtrPlace compatible with the spec language for fun for the moment | 14:57 |
| acabot | cdupont : it was a suggestion | 14:57 |
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| acabot | fhermeni : ok ths | 14:57 |
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| cdupont | acabot: so I can work at spec level but implementation is not possible at the moment for resource reasons :( | 14:58 |
| acabot | cdupont : thx | 14:58 |
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| acabot | time to end the meeting | 14:59 |
| acabot | thanks everyone | 14:59 |
| tpeoples | bye | 14:59 |
| cdupont | thanks, bye! | 14:59 |
| sballe | bye thx | 14:59 |
| acabot | bye | 14:59 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:59 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
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| jasondotstar | o/ | 15:01 |
| Ng | .o/ | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | howdy Ng | 15:01 |
| Ng | hey :) | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduction (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:01 | |
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| jasondotstar | Again, this is a friendly reminder that the OpenStack Vahana project | 15:02 |
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| jasondotstar | We're building an iOS client for OpenStack, in the form of one or more frameworks for interacting with the OS API, and *possibly* front end app | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-mobile-ios-brainstorm | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | Interested parties are encouraged to join the #openstack-vahana IRC channel | 15:02 |
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| jasondotstar | ok.... | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Action Items from Last Meeting | 15:03 |
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| jasondotstar | Ng to make contact with the UX team | 15:03 |
| Ng | I have (only just) kicked off the process of that | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | this was carried over from last meeting. any movement this past week? | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | that's cool. | 15:03 |
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| jasondotstar | movement! | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | :-P | 15:04 |
| Ng | :) | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | next: | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to make progress on capturing use cases on the brainstorming etherpad | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | k so, I had to basically *remind* myself what we needed | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | and if you remember, we were going to kick off an Operators survey | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | to see if we can assess what the use cases might be | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | dhellmann agreed to 'support' me wrt being introduced to the user committee | 15:05 |
| Ng | nice | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | the folx who run the surveys | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | we spoke briefly yesterday via IRC and he just responded this am in an email..... | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | we're going to try an email to the user committee mailing list | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | (im drafting it now) | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | and then if that doesn't work, he'll 'pinch hit' | 15:06 |
| Ng | \o/ | 15:06 |
| Ng | I think that's a baseball reference? | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | oh yeah | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | lol | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | yes, that is a baseball ref | 15:06 |
| Ng | I am so bad at sportsball jargon ;) | 15:06 |
| * jasondotstar chuckles | 15:07 | |
| jasondotstar | call in 'air support'? | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | does that work? | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | lol | 15:07 |
| Ng | hah, yes | 15:07 |
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| jasondotstar | sorry, I played CoD some over the holiday.... | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | anyway, we'll see how that goes | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to reach out to the user committee via the mailing list regarding the ops survey | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | ok..... next: | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to chat with -infra about public cloud api testing enviros. Report findings at the next mtg. | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | so I talked to clarkb and mordred yesterday on -infra | 15:09 |
| jasondotstar | basically they suggested to use trystack, and/or any other free/publicly available openstack deployment. | 15:09 |
| jasondotstar | trystack *does* give me API access | 15:09 |
| Ng | oh cool | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | and I'm in the process of trying it out today. | 15:10 |
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| jasondotstar | I've got the API token | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | but that's abt as far as I've got this am. | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to report on public api testing with trystack | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | ok next up: | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | Ng to follow up with -infra about setting up a git repository for the project | 15:11 |
| Ng | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266549/2 | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | woooooot! \o/ | 15:12 |
| Ng | we need to get our project irc channel in order, then it should be good to go | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | very well | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | we can take care of that today if you like. | 15:12 |
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| Ng | yes please :) | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | ack. | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | I saw that one of the reviewers mentioned applying for Big Tent | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | is that something we need to look at as well? | 15:13 |
| Ng | I'm not sure | 15:14 |
| Ng | I mean, we dont need it to get a repo | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | IIUC, Big Tent is sorta the 'catch-all' place for.... well.... non core module projects? | 15:15 |
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| Ng | aiui, yep | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | mmml | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | mmmk | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | nothing to worry about now then | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | (unless you suggest otherwise) | 15:16 |
| Ng | I think let's get a bit further down the road and then look at it | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | #agreed Wait until the project matures prior to applying for Big Tent | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | last action item: | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to report on documenting a vahana/devstack local test environment | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | not ready yet. progressing, but not ready for prime time. | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to report on documenting a vahana/devstack local test denvironment | 15:18 |
| jasondotstar | moving that one fwd to next week's mtg | 15:18 |
| jasondotstar | i think that's it for action items from last meeting | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | #topic R&D | 15:19 |
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| jasondotstar | k so for me, I'm concentrating on getting my AlamoFire/Playground setup | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | to work against TryStack | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | and still consuming the python-openstackclient code | 15:20 |
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| Ng | I've been fiddling around with my OSVIdentity class a bitm and reading python-openstackclient | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | nothing interesting to report yet | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | cool. | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | although we're iterating through each module | 15:22 |
| jasondotstar | im hoping that the results of the survey | 15:22 |
| jasondotstar | can give us a use case to poc | 15:22 |
| jasondotstar | i.e. if the operators say 'i'd launch/terminate instances from a mobile device' | 15:23 |
| jasondotstar | then that's a small poc we could demo | 15:23 |
| Ng | yeah that would be cool | 15:23 |
| jasondotstar | so I think we may get a clue on things to expose via our client libraries | 15:24 |
| jasondotstar | based on things operators indicate are useful to see on a iOS device | 15:25 |
| Ng | +1 | 15:25 |
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| jasondotstar | other than that, there's not much else for me to report (yet). I'll get the ball rolling by completing the documentation | 15:26 |
| Ng | I have nothing else to report | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | and toying with trystack | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | cool. | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Open Discussion | 15:26 |
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| jasondotstar | only thing I have here is that I haven't heard back from the local iOS/CocoHeads meetup group. Waiting to hear back. | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | they do think it's a worthy topic to bring to the meeting though. | 15:27 |
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| jasondotstar | so we'll see what happens there. | 15:28 |
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| jasondotstar | if nothing else..... we can give 30mins back | 15:28 |
| Ng | nothing from me | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | cool | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | thanks, until next week. | 15:29 |
| Ng | thanks! | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 15:30:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-01-13-15.01.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-01-13-15.01.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-01-13-15.01.log.html | 15:30 |
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| elemoine | hi sdake | 16:28 |
| sdake | hello :) | 16:29 |
| sdake | meeting starts in 1 minute | 16:29 |
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| elemoine | read your email, will respond later tonight or tomorrow | 16:29 |
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| sdake | roger | 16:29 |
| dratushnyy | roger | 16:29 |
| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 16:30:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
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| akwasnie | hi | 16:30 |
| sdake | \o!/ hi!! | 16:30 |
| elemoine | o/ hi | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | \o/ | 16:30 |
| dratushnyy | \?/ | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 16:31 |
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| rhallisey | hi | 16:32 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:32 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:32 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:32 |
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| sdake | 1. midcycle is february 9th, february 10th in greenville sc | 16:33 |
| sdake | I will publish full wiki info today if I can - have had contractors at my hosue dealing with my reemodel so i've been distracted | 16:33 |
| sdake | there will be breakfast, lunch both days | 16:34 |
| sdake | there will be dinner on tuesday night | 16:34 |
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| sdake | so your real only expenses should be travel and hotel | 16:34 |
| sdake | if someone is on the fence bout not being able to make it because of budget, I am willing to share rooms if you can handle the snoring - just ping me later | 16:34 |
| sdake | along with the share rooms, i'll pick up the full tab | 16:35 |
| sdake | for the room so that just leaves airfare | 16:35 |
| sdake | woud like to have a good turnout for our core reviewers | 16:35 |
| sdake | any other announcements sfrom the community? | 16:35 |
| sdake | oh one more | 16:35 |
| sdake | 2. I have assked sam to act as a backup tagger in case I fall off a cliff like which happened in december | 16:36 |
| sdake | he tagged milestone 1 | 16:36 |
| sdake | everyone give sam a round of applause please :) | 16:36 |
| inc0 | <round of applause> | 16:36 |
| * kproskurin claps | 16:36 | |
| * Jeffrey4l claps | 16:36 | |
| rhallisey | yay! | 16:36 |
| * elemoine claps | 16:37 | |
| jpeeler | yay sam | 16:37 |
| dratushnyy | *claps* | 16:37 |
| sdake | finally 3. january 21 is our deadline for mitaka 2 - so please finish up any tasks you want to tackle :) | 16:37 |
| sdake | #topic midcycle planning | 16:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle planning (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:37 | |
| sdake | timebox 10 minutes | 16:37 |
| sdake | lets finalize the agenda for the mitaka midcycle | 16:38 |
| sdake | anyone have the link handy where we have been doing that work? | 16:38 |
| sdake | i had to reset chrome and lost all my cached pages | 16:38 |
| elemoine | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-mitaka-midcycle ? | 16:38 |
| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-mitaka-midcycle | 16:39 |
| sdake | please open and we will run until 50 after | 16:39 |
| sdake | if your a new contributor, please add your name to the list of contributors | 16:39 |
| sdake | (to the planning) | 16:39 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, do we want to have some ordering here on importance? | 16:40 |
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| sdake | rhallisey i have that later in the agenda | 16:40 |
| sdake | and i'll combine those | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | kk | 16:40 |
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| sdake | actually rhallisey good point | 16:43 |
| sdake | I'd like peoiple to vote on sessions they want - just in case time is tight | 16:43 |
| sdake | we hae done this in the past - and I forgot we did, but it worked well | 16:43 |
| sdake | so please add your nick followed by +1/-1 | 16:43 |
| rhallisey | sdake, let me organize it real quick | 16:43 |
| sdake | dont organize it | 16:44 |
| sdake | just leave as is | 16:44 |
| SamYaple | hear that harmw. no alphabetizing! | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | sdake, can't really read it | 16:45 |
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| sdake | rhallisey i will sort it out after the meeting | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | pl | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | ok | 16:45 |
| sdake | we only ahve 5 minutes left, i'd like to ge the evoting in | 16:45 |
| sdake | look at my exampless | 16:45 |
| sdake | +0 is a vote as well :) | 16:45 |
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| sdake | folks please vote quickly - 2 minutes left | 16:48 |
| sdake | ok i'll send followup to the ml asking for our team to vote :) | 16:48 |
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| sdake | 1 more minute | 16:49 |
| sdake | ok timers up :) | 16:50 |
| sdake | #topic heka discussion | 16:50 |
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| sdake | sorry this is out of order because inc0 has to leae shortly | 16:50 |
| sdake | so apparently heka get rid of rsyslog | 16:50 |
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| sdake | which seems good | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | sdake: you are not following the agenda | 16:50 |
| sdake | SamYaple i know, see abovve | 16:50 |
| elemoine | not fully sure | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | ah there you go | 16:51 |
| elemoine | about removal of rsyslog | 16:51 |
| inc0 | elemoine, you mentioned it will listen on stdout | 16:51 |
| sdake | SamYaple all good now? | 16:51 |
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| elemoine | right | 16:51 |
| sdake | some services don't output to sstdout | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | for the record inc0 im not sold on listening on stdout for logs | 16:51 |
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| SamYaple | i rasied some concerns about that | 16:51 |
| elemoine | yeah, mariadb writes to /dev/log (syslog) for example | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | in the case of say neutron there is neutorn and dnsmasq logs | 16:52 |
| sdake | elemoine do you have a solution in mind for that problem? | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | one container | 16:52 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, right, however if we make this work (that's my requirement) it might be better than rsyslog | 16:52 |
| inc0 | can heka support both? | 16:52 |
| inc0 | at the same time? | 16:52 |
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| inc0 | some containers stdout some /dev/log? | 16:52 |
| inc0 | or other streams if needed? | 16:52 |
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| elemoine | at the moment, and given sdake's latest email, keeping rsyslog may make sense actually | 16:53 |
| sdake | if heka can't capture /dev/log in some cases, it seems like a non starter | 16:53 |
| inc0 | with rsyslog we can handle more-or-less everything. It's not ideal but it's working | 16:53 |
| elemoine | inc0, right and we can easily log to files as well | 16:53 |
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| elemoine | which is a requirement as I understand | 16:53 |
| sdake | ya thats the other thing, we need logs to files per node | 16:54 |
| inc0 | elemoine, file logging is actually temp solution | 16:54 |
| inc0 | before we get centralized logging in place | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | inc0: no.. it was permanat | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | even with central logging | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | logs stay per node too | 16:54 |
| sdake | inc0 i'd like to keep it for mitaka at minimum | 16:54 |
| elemoine | we want both: log to local files + send logs to ES | 16:54 |
| inc0 | ok, in any case, we want it as well before we get centralized logging | 16:54 |
| sdake | elemoine SamYaple agree +1 | 16:54 |
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| SamYaple | operator side central logging is good, but local logging is required | 16:54 |
| elemoine | yep, agree | 16:54 |
| kproskurin | Local loging will require this logs rotation and so on | 16:55 |
| inc0 | but both heka and rsyslog does that, so I guess that's that | 16:55 |
| sdake | the other requirement is multiline logs | 16:55 |
| inc0 | what I'm interested in is logging sources | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | well thats more parsing than anything sdake | 16:55 |
| kproskurin | And local logs will eat space | 16:55 |
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| inc0 | kproskurin, you can turn it off, but you should be able to have it | 16:55 |
| sdake | kproskurin we decided long ago we need locl node logging | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | kproskurin: understood. and maybe we have an option to turn it off | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | but it has to be there | 16:55 |
| sdake | i'm good with an option | 16:55 |
| sdake | but it needs to be present | 16:56 |
| kproskurin | Oh with turn off switch I guess its ok | 16:56 |
| akwasnie | with my ELK patch we give user a choice rsyslog or ELK | 16:56 |
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| inc0 | anyway, I'm -1 on having heka AND rsyslog as heka require compute node agent | 16:56 |
| elemoine | akwasnie, one may want both | 16:56 |
| sdake | akwasnie do you disable rsyslog entirely then? | 16:56 |
| inc0 | and I want to limit this as much a as possible | 16:56 |
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| sdake | it sounds like we need to have more mailing list discussion | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | I think this is still complex. well need a working implemntation i think | 16:57 |
| akwasnie | no, I can have both or each of them, | 16:57 |
| sdake | i knwo everyone just got up in the us | 16:57 |
| inc0 | akwasnie, you need something that will forward logs from node to ELK | 16:57 |
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| sdake | so please, lets sort it out on the mailing list | 16:57 |
| elemoine | sdake, no, with akwasnie's path logs go to files if elk is not enabled, and they go to ES if elk is enabled | 16:57 |
| sdake | i think elemoine has an idea of the requirements we have | 16:57 |
| elemoine | yeah it's quite clear, thank you sdake for putting those requirements together | 16:57 |
| sdake | are there other requirements we have which are unstated thus far? | 16:57 |
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| akwasnie | elemoine: yes, | 16:57 |
| sdake | inc0 akwasnie ? | 16:58 |
| sdake | i dont want to wait to the midcycle to begin implementation on a poc of this work | 16:58 |
| inc0 | I don't want 2 agents for logging on compute node | 16:58 |
| inc0 | either or | 16:58 |
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| sdake | inc0 which two agents - could you define them please | 16:58 |
| elemoine | sdake, I'd like to fully understand the multiline logs problems you have | 16:58 |
| sdake | SamYaple can you explain thato elemoine ? | 16:58 |
| inc0 | hega agent and rsyslog agent | 16:59 |
| sdake | basiclly backtraces are multiline | 16:59 |
| sdake | and rsyslog eats them i think | 16:59 |
| inc0 | sdake, it does not now | 16:59 |
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| inc0 | but it doesn't break lines | 16:59 |
| sdake | oh cool you fixed that? | 16:59 |
| inc0 | so we have rsyslog traces but ugly | 16:59 |
| inc0 | not me, dims did | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | sdake: its not the logging agent that logs them thats teh problem, its the log parser that needs to PARSE them thats the issue | 16:59 |
| inc0 | it was bug on oslo side | 16:59 |
| sdake | nice well thats solid then | 16:59 |
| elemoine | sdake, rsyslog currently replaces newline chars with a special char | 16:59 |
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| sdake | elemoine so the last unstated requirement it sounds like is we dont want *both* rsyslog and heka | 17:00 |
| sdake | has to be one or the other | 17:00 |
| sdake | SamYaple ack on the agent parsing | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | clarkb did make a good point on the mailing list about replacing logstash. if we do we can't benefit from the logstash code that currently parses the openstack logs | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | so i think we should acknowleged that at the very least | 17:01 |
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| sdake | SamYaple agree i must have missed that point | 17:01 |
| sdake | that sounds like another requirement for heka | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | we will have to write new filters and maintain them | 17:01 |
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| SamYaple | it may be worth it, but it may not. i dont know | 17:01 |
| sdake | our team is big enough to handle thta SamYaple | 17:02 |
| elemoine | we do have heka code for decoding openstack logs | 17:02 |
| sdake | elemoine fantastic | 17:02 |
| sdake | ok, i'll take an action to parsse this discussio nand publish the requirements in a new thread | 17:02 |
| elemoine | we've been relying on them for some time now, and we know they work well | 17:02 |
| sdake | #action sdake parse irc discussion and get requiremetns on the mailing list for the record | 17:02 |
| SamYaple | cool elemoine. i beileve you. I jsut wanted to point it out | 17:02 |
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| sdake | ok anything else on this topic? we are running short on time ;) | 17:03 |
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| elemoine | let's continue on the mailing list then | 17:03 |
| akwasnie | for me nothing more | 17:03 |
| sdake | elemoine i'd like the spec started asap please | 17:03 |
| elemoine | let's finish the current ml discussions first | 17:04 |
| sdake | our specs process requires majority vote of core reviewers for approval | 17:04 |
| elemoine | then I'll start working on the specs | 17:04 |
| sdake | elemoine sounds good | 17:04 |
| elemoine | ok, cool | 17:04 |
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| sdake | moving on now | 17:05 |
| sdake | #topic Kolla-mesos code sharing with kolla and kolla-ansible | 17:05 |
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| SamYaple | ill start this one | 17:05 |
| sdake | SamYaple was this you that added to agenda? | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | yes | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | So me and nihilifer have notice a great deal of duplicate code in kolla-mesos and (what will be) kolla-ansible | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | the code has been copy-paste moved | 17:06 |
| sdake | SamYaple you have the floor ;) | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | what this has caused is things that get fixed in kolla-ansible code do not get fixed in kolla-mesos | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | thanks sdake | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | so we need to figure out a better way of code sharing so that doesnt happen | 17:06 |
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| sdake | should this be a midcycle discussion topic? | 17:06 |
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| SamYaple | very possible it should be | 17:07 |
| nihilifer | i see at least 2 potential things to share | 17:07 |
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| nihilifer | 1) major, sharing ansible modules | 17:07 |
| rhallisey | err this may be a problem we can't wait on then | 17:07 |
| nihilifer | 2) minor, sharing vagrant | 17:07 |
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| sdake | just added to the etherpad | 17:07 |
| SamYaple | hmm nihilifer this is more comlpicated, should we just wait for the midcycle? | 17:08 |
| rhallisey | I thought this could be punted until N, but maybe not | 17:08 |
| sdake | for midcycle further discussion | 17:08 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, I think so | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | sdake: can we get an assured block of time? | 17:08 |
| sdake | depends on the voting | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: i think it needs to be discussed long before N | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | its only getting worse | 17:09 |
| * jpeeler agrees | 17:09 | |
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| sdake | the more votes the sessions get, moves up to tuesday in the agenda and at primier times | 17:09 |
| rhallisey | SamYaple, I was hoping we wouldn't need to do until N, but given what you're saying probably can't wait | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | if we cant get a block of time for the midcycle we should really do it now | 17:09 |
| sdake | i am not keen to split the repos until upgrades are done | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | that requires reviews | 17:10 |
| * SamYaple should make a bot | 17:10 | |
| sdake | ok if this is something mandatory that needs discussion, I'll make time in the agenda for it | 17:10 |
| sdake | sounds mandatory | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | I believe it is | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | if so then we can move on right now | 17:10 |
| sdake | ok moving on then :) | 17:10 |
| sdake | #topic python-kollaclient - are we proceeding with this? | 17:11 |
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| sdake | i am not sure if folks read my email thread related to the abandonment of the cli codebase waiting on mesos and ansible integration | 17:11 |
| sdake | if you didn't, you should read it please | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | I added that before the ML thread when fungi asked about it | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | the topic that is | 17:12 |
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| sdake | but in essence the maintainers of the cli don't want to commit to one cli when mesos is on the horizon | 17:12 |
| sdake | so for hte time being, we are putting this work on hold | 17:12 |
| sdake | unless unicorns come and implement it for us | 17:12 |
| sdake | i am removing it as a deliverable from our governance repository | 17:12 |
| sdake | this can always be undone later | 17:12 |
| fungi | thanks again SamYaple for bringing it up for discussion. i mostly wanted to make sure it wasn't hiding under a different name or something such that i was missing counting your contributors | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | appreciate that fungi | 17:13 |
| sdake | fungi appreciated :) | 17:13 |
| sdake | fungi did you see my mailing list discussion on the topic? | 17:13 |
| sdake | it wasn't really a discussion more like an announcement | 17:14 |
| fungi | sdake: yep, appreciated the details. 5 months in governance with no corresponding repo or even a patch to create it struck me as anomalous | 17:14 |
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| sdake | fungi it was going to go in then i had the tooth infection | 17:14 |
| sdake | then mesos picked up steam and the contributors of the cli dont want to commit to it any longer | 17:14 |
| fungi | i remember, that sounded terrible and dangerous. glad we've got you back now | 17:14 |
| sdake | ok then any questions or shall I move on? | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | move on i think | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | my questions have been answered | 17:16 |
| sdake | #topic priorities discussion | 17:16 |
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| sdake | so I added a midcycle session for this, please vote on it :) | 17:17 |
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| sdake | but basically my #1 priority is upgrades, my #2 priority is diagnostics | 17:17 |
| sdake | I wanted to poll the core reviewers for their list of priorities | 17:17 |
| sdake | part of this is to help me ramp back up from my december hiatus | 17:17 |
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| SamYaple | #1 upgrades #2 split repo for kolla-ansible (this will also help kolla-mesos) | 17:18 |
| sdake | i'd like all core reviewers to respond please | 17:18 |
| sdake | and in fact an ycontributors as well | 17:18 |
| sdake | time box 7 inutes - so start typing :) | 17:18 |
| nihilifer | #1 upgrades #2 split repo | 17:18 |
| rhallisey | ditto SamYaple | 17:18 |
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| jpeeler | #1 upgrades, #2 split repo | 17:19 |
| sdake | nobody seems to care about diagnostics :) | 17:19 |
| jpeeler | maybe | 17:19 |
| jpeeler | #3 | 17:19 |
| SamYaple | i do, its just not top priorites | 17:19 |
| SamYaple | thats #3 for me (tied with ssl) | 17:20 |
| jpeeler | see | 17:20 |
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| elemoine | I do care, but I'm not able to go to midcycle :) | 17:20 |
| akwasnie | sdake: #1 upgrade, #2 diagnostics for me:) | 17:20 |
| sdake | elemoine roger what is your opinion on prioirties then | 17:20 |
| nihilifer | ditto, diagnostics is #3 for me | 17:20 |
| sdake | so we have upgrades, diags, split repo, ssl | 17:21 |
| elemoine | #1 upgrades, #2 diagnostics & split repo | 17:21 |
| sdake | any other candidates? | 17:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | #1 upgrade #swift #diagnostics :) ( care the produce issue more.) | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | when docker 1.10 lands we can do neutron thin containers | 17:21 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l what do you mean swift? | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | thats kinda a priority | 17:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | s/produce/product/ | 17:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | yep. | 17:21 |
| sdake | SamYaple cool | 17:21 |
| elemoine | SamYaple, what Docker feature do you want to leverage? | 17:22 |
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| SamYaple | elemoine: private/shared mount namespaces | 17:22 |
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| sdake | Jeffrey4l what part of swift doessn't work for you now with kolla? | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | it merged in 1.7-rc1 and was removed in 1.7-rc3. itttsss baaaaccckk | 17:23 |
| elemoine | SamYaple, thanks, I need to look into that | 17:23 |
| sdake | nice ;) | 17:23 |
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| sdake | ya thin containers for neutron would be win - need to sort out how to get that implemented | 17:23 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, I haven't tested it detailly. But i am care about it. | 17:23 |
| sdake | any other candidates for priorities? | 17:23 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l it worked when I tested it | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | elemoine: https://github.com/docker/docker/pull/17034 | 17:24 |
| elemoine | and https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/10088 | 17:24 |
| sdake | ok sounds like we are all pretty much on same page | 17:24 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, so why it is in the topics. | 17:24 |
| sdake | so I'm going to move on | 17:24 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l for autobuilding rings | 17:24 |
| sdake | i think that can wait until N | 17:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | roger | 17:25 |
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| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:25 |
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| sdake | 5 minutes | 17:25 |
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| sdake | sorry so little time for open discussion - we had a packed agenda | 17:25 |
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| sdake | anyone want the floor? | 17:26 |
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| ajafo | got short question - maybe it'll need to discuss - does we care about situation with rebuild only one container with for example added some packages (e.g. someone want to have sth additional installed in some docker container), because if yes it can broke dependencies in some situations | 17:26 |
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| sdake | we can rebuild just one container with our current build tools ajafo | 17:27 |
| ajafo | I know but | 17:27 |
| ajafo | lets imagine that someone want only rebuild nova_compute container with add some package in dockerfile, in the meantime were some updates in repository distribution repository, now if he is in ubuntu he get 404 no such package, and he know that he need to rebuild everything, but if he use centos then this one container will update own dependencies and install packages in other version than are in other containers, so we care about it or no? Is the rule | 17:27 |
| SamYaple | ajafo: we do that though | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | even now | 17:28 |
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| sdake | we rebuild all dependent cotnainers | 17:28 |
| sdake | that is required for correct operation | 17:28 |
| sdake | so that scenario yo ujust laid out, I am pretty sure can't happen | 17:28 |
| ajafo | it just happend | 17:29 |
| ajafo | with ubuntu | 17:29 |
| sdake | ok, ajafo please post a discussion on the mailing list | 17:29 |
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| sdake | we are out o time :) | 17:29 |
| elemoine | maybe another subject for the mailing list | 17:29 |
| ajafo | ok | 17:29 |
| sdake | thanks for your time folks :) | 17:29 |
| sdake | and lets rock greenville :) | 17:29 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 17:29:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-01-13-16.30.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-01-13-16.30.txt | 17:29 |
| elemoine | thx everyone (for the heka discussions on the ml as well!) | 17:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-01-13-16.30.log.html | 17:30 |
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| dougwig | floating this today... kevin isn't here yet, and henry is in the air. | 17:31 |
| pc_m | hi | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | pc_m: hiya | 17:32 |
| dougwig | pc_m: at lbaas midcycle today. do you have a burning issue? | 17:32 |
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| pc_m | I have a bunch of questions posted in the open discussion section. | 17:32 |
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| pc_m | Mostly, need reviews, and need to know what else I can work on, as I have some time available. | 17:33 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 17:34:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:34 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:34 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 17:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:34 | |
| dougwig | "Would like to discuss how we can mark the status of modules in the library for users." | 17:34 |
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| dougwig | can you explain what you mean here? | 17:34 |
| pc_m | How we can let developers know that some functionality is available for use. | 17:35 |
| pc_m | For example, callbacks, we named the dir _callbacks. | 17:35 |
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| dougwig | i'd like master to remain publishable to pypi at any time, so i don't want stuff in progress to not have an _. IMO. | 17:35 |
| pc_m | Wondering what the process is to transition something from work in progress to ready. | 17:36 |
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| dougwig | a review to do a git rename on a function or module should be all that's needed to make it ready to export. | 17:36 |
| pc_m | ok. So for validators/convertors, add in a _ for the directory. | 17:36 |
| pc_m | converters | 17:37 |
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| dougwig | if you need to iterate on it, yes. | 17:37 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: OK. I don't think that needs to be iterated on. Thought, with Neutron activity, we need to update it soon. | 17:38 |
| dougwig | we'll have some lag and catch-up, just the nature of the beast during the transition. | 17:38 |
| pc_m | yup. | 17:38 |
| pc_m | Second item is upstreamed. Thanks for reviewing. | 17:38 |
| pc_m | Third is the validators. Needs review. | 17:39 |
| dougwig | ok, i'll add it to my list for today. | 17:39 |
| pc_m | Wondering how we want to apply that to neutron. | 17:39 |
| pc_m | Do we want to push a commit on top of 242219 that uses this capability in neutron? | 17:40 |
| pc_m | ditto with others, like the callback mechanism? | 17:40 |
| dougwig | pc_m: yes, exactly that. | 17:40 |
| pc_m | OK will do that for the validators/converters. | 17:41 |
| dougwig | ok | 17:41 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m to apply validators/converters to 242219 in neutron | 17:41 |
| dougwig | on the arg question, i'd suggest pinging kevin/henry directly, as they have opinions. | 17:41 |
| pc_m | For the callbacks, I did the following - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265997/ | 17:42 |
| pc_m | OK. I'll ask him to look at ^^^ | 17:42 |
| dougwig | saw that; let's get henry and kevin to comment. | 17:43 |
| pc_m | Roger that | 17:43 |
| dougwig | next item? | 17:43 |
| dougwig | (folks here are about to head to lunch, so i'm in sprint mode.) :) | 17:43 |
| pc_m | On 242219, it's failing a few tests, do you know what is up there? I think you expected it? | 17:44 |
| pc_m | understood. | 17:44 |
| dougwig | no, i'm not sure why. i'm guessing i'm missing a helper hook to pull in the lib properly. do you want to take a peek? or i'll look soon. | 17:44 |
| pc_m | I'll try to look. | 17:45 |
| dougwig | in terms of what needs looking at, i'd suggest taking a peek at the aas unit tests, and how they currently rely on some neutron stuff. which parts should be dup'ed into the repos, which parts are useful parts of the lib? | 17:45 |
| pc_m | If there are additional neutron-lib items that I can look at, let me know. I have time this week, and some next week (On PTO a few days). | 17:45 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m to try to see what is causing 242219 test failures. | 17:46 |
| dougwig | ok, did you see the note about the unit test dependencies? | 17:46 |
| dougwig | first step is an analysis of what to move or dup. | 17:46 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m to ping kevinbenton and HenryG on my commit for callbacks | 17:46 |
| dougwig | then move/change/dup/whatnot. | 17:46 |
| pc_m | no I didn't see that note. | 17:47 |
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| pc_m | Where is this note at? | 17:47 |
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| dougwig | 11:45am: "in terms of what needs looking at, i'd suggest taking a peek at the aas unit tests, and how they currently rely on some neutron stuff. which parts should be dup'ed into the repos, which parts are useful parts of the lib?" | 17:47 |
| dougwig | any other items? | 17:48 |
| pc_m | no that's it. | 17:48 |
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| pc_m | Thanks! | 17:49 |
| dougwig | cool. i'm apparently about to be escorted to a crappy burrito. i can't wait. | 17:49 |
| pc_m | Enjoy lunch! | 17:49 |
| dougwig | i'll be on irc this afternoon. cool, later! | 17:49 |
| pc_m | :) | 17:49 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 17:49:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-01-13-17.34.html | 17:49 |
| pc_m | bye | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-01-13-17.34.txt | 17:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-01-13-17.34.log.html | 17:49 |
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| j^2 | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 19:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 19:00 |
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| j^2 | #topic rollcall | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:00 | |
| j^2 | hey everyone! | 19:00 |
| raginbajin | o/ | 19:00 |
| raginbajin | Hey there. | 19:00 |
| j^2 | like normal i’ll give everyone ~5 mins to trickle in | 19:00 |
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| * jamespd waves. | 19:01 | |
| j^2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160113 | 19:01 |
| j^2 | that is the agenda ^^ | 19:01 |
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| j^2 | i take the responsibility for not sending out the reminder email, my bad :( | 19:03 |
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| balajin | hello | 19:04 |
| j^2 | hi! | 19:04 |
| j^2 | going to officially start in about 2 mins | 19:04 |
| balajin | okay | 19:04 |
| j^2 | #topic Talk about releases for repos other than tools-contrib and tools-generic | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Talk about releases for repos other than tools-contrib and tools-generic (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:05 | |
| j^2 | we punted on this last time | 19:05 |
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| j^2 | has anyone else come up with any thoughts or ideas about this? | 19:06 |
| j^2 | ? | 19:07 |
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| * jamespd didn't catch the last meeting. was there a particular point of contention? | 19:07 | |
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| j^2 | jamespd: creating releases for the different repos | 19:07 |
| j^2 | there’s a plus side to it, and a few negitives | 19:07 |
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| jamespd | by creating releases are you talking about tagging commits or packaging? | 19:08 |
| j^2 | we state in the wiki we won’t but EmilienM was asking for us to | 19:08 |
| j^2 | i think both | 19:08 |
| j^2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Osops | 19:08 |
| j^2 | we state: We don't plan on having releases, but we do plan on collecting useful resources for anything ranging from Junior to Senior level administrators. | 19:08 |
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| j^2 | there is a lot of overhead with creating releases and getting in the pipelines, and i lean towards saying our community isn’t large enough to have that level of overhead | 19:09 |
| j^2 | it’s a nice to have when we grow, but hell…4? people are here right now | 19:09 |
| PaulCzar | Idon't really see any value in either releases or packages | 19:09 |
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| raginbajin | I have to agree. That is what I immediately think about when it comes to managing by release | 19:09 |
| jamespd | Yeah... I agree about that at this point. | 19:10 |
| PaulCzar | unless its for a specific tool inside osops | 19:10 |
| raginbajin | especially if there are code changes and back porting, etc | 19:10 |
| PaulCzar | give our ops focus, many of the tools will be written for older releases of openstack | 19:10 |
| j^2 | yep | 19:10 |
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| balajin | so far we have been seeing primarily scripts | 19:11 |
| j^2 | so with this input i’m getting that we _aren’t_ going to support creating releases | 19:11 |
| balajin | can we have it loock for the versions in the script or have it called out there | 19:11 |
| balajin | when we are building tools which needs interop, we can evaluate the need for releases | 19:12 |
| balajin | my 2cents | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | I think that's a great idea once we get more continous commits. | 19:12 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: agreed | 19:12 |
| balajin | primarily given the amount of people involved and the effort it is needed for the release | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | I think we are fortunate to get what we have. | 19:12 |
| jamespd | raginbajin: agreed | 19:12 |
| balajin | raginbajin: it is only the begining | 19:12 |
| j^2 | balajin: that’s true, but we still need to get involvement | 19:13 |
| j^2 | it’s not growing at a constant rate by any standard; we built it…but the aren’t coming | 19:13 |
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| raginbajin | I think it goes back to the work load to do this at this point in time. I think it's a great idea, just not at this junction | 19:13 |
| jamespd | +! | 19:14 |
| jamespd | +1 | 19:14 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: works for me | 19:14 |
| j^2 | anything else or continue on? | 19:15 |
| j^2 | #topic Talk about osops-coda | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Talk about osops-coda (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:15 | |
| j^2 | we have another official osops project: | 19:15 |
| j^2 | #link https://github.com/openstack/osops-coda | 19:16 |
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| j^2 | i just wanted to make sure everyone saw it and we are slowly growing the namespace | 19:16 |
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| raginbajin | I think it's great. | 19:16 |
| j^2 | this one specifically we haven’t gotten gates in yet, but that’s still slowly happening | 19:16 |
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| PaulCzar | interesting. would this be useful for say cleaning up after rally runs ? | 19:17 |
| j^2 | PaulCzar: that’s an interesting use case | 19:17 |
| balajin | nice | 19:17 |
| j^2 | i could see a great opportunity there come to think of it | 19:17 |
| j^2 | if y’all take some time to check it out that would be awesome | 19:18 |
| PaulCzar | I could totally see something like coda moving towards release/packaging | 19:18 |
| j^2 | PaulCzar: yep, that’s why it’s in it’s own repo | 19:19 |
| raginbajin | PaulCzar: +1 | 19:19 |
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| j^2 | the previous topic was about tools-generic or tools-contrib | 19:19 |
| j^2 | which causes…challenges | 19:19 |
| raginbajin | Will the HPE team manage the commits, etc | 19:20 |
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| j^2 | raginbajin: nope, they gave it to us to run with it after they get the gates in | 19:20 |
| j^2 | they wanted the exposure to our community because they realized that if they spun up their own project no one would ever look at it | 19:21 |
| raginbajin | ahh. Do we fear that since none of us really work on Coda that it will eventually go stale or we can't keep up with any blueprints or bugs | 19:21 |
| jamespd | ^^ I worry about this. | 19:22 |
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| j^2 | yeah that’s a challenge, it’s something that we’ll have to see happen et al. just the exposure alone is the most important part | 19:22 |
| PaulCzar | totally ... is this repo "upstream" for the HPE team ... or do they work on their own repo and push up to it ? | 19:22 |
| j^2 | neither, the project is dead at HPE | 19:22 |
| PaulCzar | ahhh | 19:23 |
| PaulCzar | glhf ? | 19:23 |
| jamespd | heh | 19:23 |
| j^2 | they wanted to give it to OS as something that we could use if we wanted to | 19:23 |
| PaulCzar | was there talk about it becoming part of horizon ? | 19:23 |
| j^2 | PaulCzar: in essence yeah. | 19:23 |
| j^2 | that too | 19:23 |
| j^2 | this is a place where we could if we see the use cases | 19:24 |
| j^2 | we just need to see if the project takes off | 19:24 |
| j^2 | ok, we have a couple more things to go through before we get to new business | 19:25 |
| j^2 | #topic notes4chairs | 19:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "notes4chairs (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:25 | |
| j^2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OSOpsNotes4Chairs | 19:25 |
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| j^2 | I created this wiki page so we can start helping out Chairs for this meeting | 19:26 |
| j^2 | I don’t want to be the chair forever, and i hope someone else will be willing to take it and run with it | 19:26 |
| j^2 | we can take it out of this meeting and talk about a way to get volunteers to step up | 19:26 |
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| j^2 | any thoughts or questions? going to wait for 3 mins before moving on….. | 19:27 |
| raginbajin | But j^2 you've done a great job. why would you not do this forever? You are much better than me.. | 19:27 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: ha! | 19:27 |
| balajin | +1 | 19:27 |
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| PaulCzar | I will add,while projects are in their infancy it's pretty important to have a strong and consistent leader | 19:28 |
| balajin | unless not a big burden for you j^2, i would like you to continue until we gain momentum | 19:28 |
| PaulCzar | which j^2 fits the bill | 19:28 |
| raginbajin | See even balajin thinks you are better than me.. Even though my last name is almost his username.. | 19:28 |
| raginbajin | :) | 19:28 |
| j^2 | raginbajin, PaulCzar, balajin: wow, thanks, ok, i’ll continue on, i had no idea I was worried that i was playing too much of a dictator | 19:28 |
| balajin | raginbajin: sorrythat came out of context | 19:29 |
| balajin | it is for j^2 doing a good job and asking to continue | 19:29 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:29 |
| j^2 | ok, cool, thanks guys | 19:29 |
| balajin | sorry, no inner readings please :) | 19:29 |
| j^2 | #topic Waiting on so we can add the bashte jobs to tools generic | 19:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Waiting on so we can add the bashte jobs to tools generic (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:30 | |
| j^2 | so we’ve added bashte jobs to tools-generic as a gate | 19:30 |
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| j^2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229031/ | 19:30 |
| j^2 | #link -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229043/ | 19:30 |
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| rockyg | hey, sorry Im late.. | 19:30 |
| j^2 | which is what we are expecting | 19:30 |
| j^2 | i need to add the pep8 to tools-generic also | 19:30 |
| j^2 | unless someone can take that action item | 19:31 |
| j^2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64 | 19:31 |
| j^2 | it’s funnier if you get the title after the fact | 19:31 |
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| j^2 | heh, ok, so i’ll take getting pep8 in | 19:32 |
| j^2 | ok, new businees | 19:32 |
| j^2 | business | 19:32 |
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| j^2 | #topic paulcz: talk about moving the terriform tooling to it's own repo | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "paulcz: talk about moving the terriform tooling to it's own repo (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:33 | |
| j^2 | PaulCzar: make your case :D | 19:33 |
| PaulCzar | I don't feel too strongly about it ... but I think it might make sense to have an official terraform repo | 19:33 |
| rockyg | We're getting enough repos, maybe we should go for our own tree? like openstack-ops? | 19:34 |
| rockyg | I bet infra would be up for it. And they're the ones who maintain this... | 19:34 |
| j^2 | rockyg: that makes sense, but at the same time we need more involvement before we “break away” or whatever | 19:35 |
| j^2 | as a reminder, the ultimate goal of this project is to get Operators an “easy way” to get ATC | 19:35 |
| PaulCzar | we should probably get more participation before getting it its own repo tho | 19:35 |
| rockyg | I think we can up participation by socializing at the midcycle. Any of you gonna be ther? | 19:35 |
| j^2 | PaulCzar: agreed | 19:35 |
| PaulCzar | ATC is an interestingpoint | 19:35 |
| j^2 | rockyg: couldn’t get the funds to make it happen. England was too far :( | 19:36 |
| PaulCzar | I don't get a lot of time to contribute upstream because I'm always fighting the tire fire that is operating openstack | 19:36 |
| rockyg | Full agreement. But infra repos=ATC (and defcore doesn't) | 19:36 |
| PaulCzar | and not getting ATC for doing this ... makes me less inclined to do it | 19:36 |
| PaulCzar | when I could work elsewhere upstream and get ATC | 19:36 |
| PaulCzar | ROI and all that | 19:36 |
| rockyg | Can we put together an etherpad I can socialize at the midcycle? I'll be there. | 19:37 |
| j^2 | yep, we need involvement and a “group” of people before we can ask to get approved to get ATC. It was/is a chicken and egg problem | 19:37 |
| rockyg | Also, on folks running for board, JJ and I are not the only ones who want ATC for Ops participants.... Just so you know where to put your votes;-0 | 19:37 |
| j^2 | ha! well said rockyg | 19:38 |
| rockyg | And, yeah. The TC holding the power is kinda difficult. | 19:38 |
| rockyg | But FYI, TC is looking to update the OpenStack mission to include Ops/User community as part of mission statement | 19:39 |
| balajin | i recall j^2 mentioning something about ops getting ATC | 19:39 |
| balajin | and that was the primary reason we were going for osops under big tent | 19:39 |
| balajin | am i missing someting | 19:39 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Lots of user community oriented folks are pushing. | 19:40 |
| j^2 | balajin: yep :D that was the ultimate goal | 19:40 |
| balajin | or was it for the openstack-chef stuff | 19:40 |
| rockyg | Nope. Ops code contributions should count. | 19:40 |
| j^2 | balajin: that’s true, openstack-chef you do already | 19:40 |
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| balajin | everyone need to realize that ops support is as critical as code | 19:40 |
| j^2 | balajin: yep, that’s more true then most anything | 19:41 |
| raginbajin | agreed | 19:41 |
| rockyg | +1000 and that the projects are writing code for ops and apps dev, not themselves | 19:41 |
| j^2 | we kinda went off topic here | 19:42 |
| j^2 | is there any objection to moving PaulCzar ’s changes to it’s own repo? | 19:42 |
| rockyg | Speaking of which, fYI, if you're not aware, I'm the person puushing log improvements, but I've realized we have to fix config options global, and locations, etc to all be talking about the same thing | 19:42 |
| rockyg | ++ to new repo | 19:43 |
| j^2 | cool, i’ll make that happen asap | 19:43 |
| j^2 | last topic then open floor | 19:44 |
| j^2 | #topic balajin: Fixing the ical to reflect correct dates (it shows up on my calendar every week) | 19:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "balajin: Fixing the ical to reflect correct dates (it shows up on my calendar every week) (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:44 | |
| balajin | yah, just added that | 19:44 |
| j^2 | yep, that annoys the hell out of me too | 19:44 |
| balajin | there were several folks in this irc last week | 19:44 |
| balajin | including me | 19:44 |
| rockyg | and me... | 19:44 |
| balajin | :) | 19:44 |
| j^2 | I’ve been posted on the mailing list pretty regularly ;) | 19:44 |
| rockyg | and I keep getting the time wrong :-( | 19:44 |
| j^2 | ok, i’ll take the item to clean that up | 19:45 |
| j^2 | (i’m starting to think this is a chance for y’all just to point out where I’ve fucked up or missed something) | 19:45 |
| j^2 | :P | 19:45 |
| j^2 | anyway, i’ll make it happen :D | 19:45 |
| rockyg | Well, in that case..... | 19:45 |
| j^2 | #topic open floor | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:45 | |
| j^2 | ok, so selfishly, if y’all haven’t voted yet, please consider me as a candidate :D | 19:46 |
| j^2 | JJ Asghar | 19:46 |
| rockyg | Your doing great and thanks for your hard work and I'm voting for you....and me....and Stephano | 19:46 |
| j^2 | I’d love to continue this work and a macro level; and i think i can :D | 19:46 |
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| j^2 | rockyg: +1+ | 19:46 |
| balajin | j^2: i have done my bit for you | 19:47 |
| rockyg | And please consider me, too. I think JJ and I could make a great team ;-0 | 19:47 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:47 |
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| j^2 | does this image make sense? | 19:48 |
| j^2 | https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/5/5a/Osops-tools-process.png | 19:48 |
| rockyg | Guys, I'm gonna try to put together a spreadsheet of all the config opts out there, what the defaults are, where they get set/reset/changed, etc. If I can get it together before the midcycle, I'd love you guys to edit/comment | 19:48 |
| rockyg | Itll be a google sheet | 19:48 |
| balajin | ok | 19:49 |
| jamespd | j^2: yeah, I like the image. | 19:49 |
| j^2 | jamespd: :D | 19:49 |
| rockyg | Nova is making there stuff more consistent, so I think we can get global configs in N. and I like the image, too. Can you merge that in as a readme image (as opposed to readme.rst)? | 19:50 |
| j^2 | rockyg: not sure tbh | 19:50 |
| j^2 | getting that image up there was a lot harder then it should have been | 19:51 |
| rockyg | The file would just a binary instead of text. It *should* work, but that doesn't mean it *will* | 19:51 |
| rockyg | Can't do diffs across versions, but....don't really need that. | 19:51 |
| j^2 | time check 8 mins | 19:52 |
| j^2 | anyone who hasn’t spoken up, is there anything you’d like to talk about? | 19:52 |
| rockyg | etherpad for what you want me to report to midcycle... | 19:52 |
| rockyg | j^2, could you put something together for me? | 19:53 |
| PaulCzar | rockyg: I'll likely be at midcycle as well | 19:53 |
| j^2 | rockyg: yeah i’m not 100% sure on this tbh. what’s an email addy i can talk to you off line? | 19:53 |
| rockyg | Great! and if we have a start of etherpad, we can discuss at next meeting. rockyg at gmail dot com | 19:54 |
| j^2 | kk, will do | 19:54 |
| rockyg | kewl! | 19:54 |
| rockyg | I just try to juggle too many tasks to make things better....tend to drop/forget them | 19:54 |
| j^2 | cool, anything else? | 19:55 |
| j^2 | awesome, thanks everyone, i’ll put notes and all together | 19:56 |
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| rockyg | Doing a great job j^2 | 19:57 |
| jamespd | thanks j^2. | 19:57 |
| j^2 | and send something to the the ML probably tomorrow | 19:57 |
| j^2 | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 19:57:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-01-13-19.00.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-01-13-19.00.txt | 19:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-01-13-19.00.log.html | 19:57 |
| balajin | thanks everyone | 19:57 |
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| balajin | have a great day | 19:57 |
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| rbradfor | Is there a Logging WG meeting today? | 21:04 |
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| rockyg | hey. anybody here for logging? | 21:07 |
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| rbradfor | yes | 21:13 |
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| dhellmann | rockyg: o/ | 21:14 |
| rockyg | kewl | 21:15 |
| rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 21:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 21:15:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:15 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 21:15 |
| rockyg | #topic Open Discussion | 21:15 |
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| rbradfor | o/ | 21:15 |
| rockyg | dhellmann, do you have something? | 21:16 |
| rockyg | or rbradfor ? | 21:16 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | rockyg : nothing new, just finally making it to the meeting again to catch up :-) | 21:16 |
| rbradfor | I have some updates. | 21:16 |
| rockyg | Oooh! SamYaple , too. | 21:16 |
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| rockyg | So, glad dhellmann could make it as I'd like to fly something by you. | 21:17 |
| rockyg | But lets start with updates! | 21:17 |
| rockyg | #topic Update from rbradfor | 21:17 |
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| rbradfor | I've got several documented examples for various oslo projects, starting with oslo.log and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264977/ | 21:17 |
| rbradfor | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/usage.html | 21:17 |
| rbradfor | I'm working on next iteration that provides Context examples and usage, and then varying format strings valid parameters. | 21:18 |
| rbradfor | I also have several patches for deprecated logging options, to get them removed, and unclutter the docs a bit. | 21:19 |
| rbradfor | and just submitted a patch to correctly generated deprecated documentation of options, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267151/ | 21:19 |
| rockyg | Excellent! | 21:19 |
| rockyg | Apps developers will be so happy | 21:20 |
| rbradfor | I will be proposing via ML later suggestions for identifying a what to better document what release option is deprecated and when it is to be removed. I have a high road nad low road | 21:20 |
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| rbradfor | this is just some ground work for providing better information to devs and ops on logging capabilites. | 21:21 |
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| rockyg | make sure you include the ops ML when you post | 21:21 |
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| rbradfor | this first email will be about how developers should identify this information. | 21:22 |
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| rockyg | Any questions/comments for rbradfor? | 21:22 |
| rbradfor | how that is then presented will be of benefit to the operators | 21:22 |
| rbradfor | one more thing. | 21:22 |
| rbradfor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263468/ | 21:23 |
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| rbradfor | this has now greatly simplified how projects extend the default logging levels on startup, as in the now produced docs. This will help to remove confusion and duplication, bringing an future oslo.log changes available to projects that implement this new method | 21:23 |
| rockyg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264977/ | 21:24 |
| rockyg | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/usage.html | 21:24 |
| rockyg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267151/ | 21:24 |
| rockyg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263468/ | 21:24 |
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| rockyg | excellent! This actually dovetails into what I think the next topic is and bringing dhellmann into the discussion | 21:26 |
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| rockyg | OK to move to next topic? | 21:26 |
| rbradfor | yep! | 21:26 |
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| rockyg | #topic Config options -- prerequisite for sane logging | 21:27 |
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| rockyg | rbradfor and I have been discussing the state of config options | 21:27 |
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| rockyg | We realize that it will be hard to get log levels in good shape if we don't have consistency in the configuration (among other issues, but this is a biggie) | 21:28 |
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| rockyg | We both (and many Ops guys) see the lack of a good, documented way of providing global opts with local overides a major shortcoming to OpenStack. | 21:29 |
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| rockyg | but first, before we can do much here, we need to document the current state | 21:30 |
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| rockyg | So, this sounds a little off topic for logging, but it's important for logging. | 21:30 |
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| rockyg | I want to throw together a spreadsheet that documents all the config options, what their defaults are, where the opts are defined and where they are set/reset, an values | 21:31 |
| rockyg | Starting with the core six projects. | 21:32 |
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| rockyg | Then open the spreadsheet up for edits to get it better representative of what's really out there. | 21:32 |
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| rockyg | From there, discussion can arise on whether the values are right, whether individual projects should change/remove/add opts in their config files, etc. | 21:33 |
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| dhellmann | what do you mean by "global opts with local overrides"? | 21:34 |
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| rbradfor | rockyg, I feel that running oslo-config-generator for the projects, and then perhaps aggregating this via some simple scripting will provide the "all the config options" | 21:34 |
| rockyg | actually, all of them. The project specific ones and the global. The table/spreadsheet would have the global first, but then also have the project specific | 21:34 |
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| dhellmann | I don't know what a "global" option is, though. Do you mean an option that applies to all projects? | 21:35 |
| rockyg | rbradfor, that was one of my next questions! | 21:35 |
| rockyg | "global" is pretty much the olso config opts. They have defaults, but also get set in lots of projects | 21:35 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 21:36 |
| rockyg | And you're right, we all agree that there aren't "global" config opts as yet. Oslo is as close as it gets | 21:36 |
| rbradfor | so perhaps a suggestion is find common options | 21:37 |
| rbradfor | that later may be a candidate for a possible global conf file | 21:37 |
| rbradfor | and definitely for a global docs section on common options | 21:37 |
| rockyg | I'm thinking that until we have something that documents the current state, we really can't do a good analysis to see if there are any improvements we can make or what the impacts would be | 21:37 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, is your first goal to simplify docs? | 21:38 |
| rockyg | And getting these (all of them) documented for ops/enduser docs for Mitaka would be something we think worthwhile | 21:38 |
| rockyg | First goal is to get the current state documented and in such a way as the docs folks can propagate this infor in the current docs. What you said, plus letting devs and community know what's what | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | we added code to oslo.config to integrate with the documentation build for projects last cycle. that same code can be used to generate a document describing all of the options by running it against all of the projects instead of just one project. | 21:39 |
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| rockyg | Fantastic! I bet the docs folks will be happy. It also means that oslo *can* have a separate section in the config doc. | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/opts.html | 21:41 |
| dhellmann | that's an example of the output for oslo.log | 21:41 |
| rockyg | Once we have all this, ops folks and others can see if the values make sense and file bugs on ones that don't. | 21:41 |
| rockyg | This also may help the nova config opts effort. | 21:41 |
| dhellmann | is there a separate config guide? | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | or is that part of the install guide? | 21:42 |
| rockyg | there is a separate config guide | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | found it in http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/config-reference/content/ | 21:42 |
| rockyg | It currently has no oslo section, just projects that have multiple sections on how to config various things | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | it looks like they're still using docbook for that, so we'll have to wait for the migration to sphinx | 21:43 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, one thing you mentioned as a concern was "what are new options" or "changed values of options" in the next release. I guess you want this in this doc too. | 21:43 |
| rockyg | Yeah. | 21:44 |
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| rockyg | and that goes towards the discussion of ReNo and DocImpact that is happening now. | 21:44 |
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| rockyg | Hopefully all config add/change/remove will get ReNo. | 21:45 |
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| rockyg | But the docs folks also have to incorporate. | 21:45 |
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| rbradfor | I feel we need to get the docs folks to start with exsting docs and having a "common" or "Oslo" options section | 21:46 |
| rbradfor | simply reducing the documentation is an effective benefit for operators. | 21:46 |
| rockyg | Yup. I started that discussion with Lana and Anne at the summit. Lana is up for it and explained why to Anne. | 21:46 |
| rbradfor | can what you propose in this config guide be incoporated into already existing and known documentation people at least use and my be familar with | 21:46 |
| rockyg | I think ops are familiar with the config ref. They need to be if they want to change any values. Which lots of them do. | 21:47 |
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| rockyg | dhellmann, do you think this is a reasonable prerequisite for getting options more consistent across a deployment, along with providing a base for identifying misleveled log messages? | 21:48 |
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| rockyg | Also, we can bring Ops and UC folks into the discussion once we have generated the pieces of docs | 21:49 |
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| dhellmann | there will need to be an updated config reference for mitaka, so getting that into good shape seems like a good place to start | 21:50 |
| dhellmann | we should look into how that guide is built now, and whether the doc team has it on their sphinx conversion plan already | 21:50 |
| rockyg | Great! | 21:51 |
| dhellmann | and then start contributing to it to update it | 21:51 |
| dhellmann | like rbradfor said, having a completely new guide is likely to confuse folks as much as anything | 21:51 |
| rockyg | #action configuration reference doc discussion with docs team | 21:51 |
| rockyg | A concatenated list of options could always be added as an adendum this round. | 21:52 |
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| rockyg | OK. rbradfor could you generate the doc files from the configs you are aware of? I'll go searching to see if there are strays elsewhere and also discuss this with the nova config opts lead? | 21:53 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, are you seeking a http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/opts.html format of options for projects, rather then a sample.conf file? | 21:54 |
| rockyg | I will also go through and find dupes/changed values/etc once we have the list. Good place to start the discussions. And a good way to make devs aware of the oslo opts. And, yeah. If we can get the html format for the core six projeccts, that would be great. | 21:55 |
| dhellmann | rockyg : my comment about generating that documentation for all projects in one guide depends on a tool change by the docs team | 21:56 |
| rockyg | Nova, cinder, Neutron, Keystone, Glance, Swift Am I missing any? | 21:56 |
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| dhellmann | that's why I brought up the sphinx conversion plan | 21:56 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, whats the sphinx conversion plan? | 21:56 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : the docs team is converting from docbook to sphinx, one manual at a time | 21:56 |
| dhellmann | I don't know what the schedule is, or the order. | 21:57 |
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| rockyg | Right. I'm not yet read for the docs, but if we can get the html files, that will let us do some analysis while we talk to docteam | 21:57 |
| dhellmann | the thing we're using in oslo.log to generate that table depends on being integrated into sphinx, not the docbook tool chain they are using now | 21:57 |
| rockyg | not yet ready... | 21:57 |
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| dhellmann | as an interim measure we could add a similar page to all of the individual projects in their developer documentation | 21:58 |
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| rockyg | So, nova uses sphinx for a bunch of their stuff. Is that enough, or are there specific things? | 21:58 |
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| dhellmann | some folks have started doing that, and are keeping notes in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automating-oslo-config-documentation | 21:58 |
| rockyg | dhellmann, ++ That gives *us* what we need to start. | 21:59 |
| dhellmann | rockyg : someone needs to add instructions to the nova docs that say "put the configuration options here" | 21:59 |
| rockyg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automating-oslo-config-documentation | 21:59 |
| rockyg | I expect that is what is needed for each of the projects? | 21:59 |
| dhellmann | right | 22:00 |
| rockyg | You just need someone to go down the list and hit every project? I can certainly work on that. | 22:00 |
| dhellmann | yep | 22:00 |
| rockyg | kewl. | 22:01 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, of those projects in the etherpad, docs.o.o/developer/project are already sphinx generated | 22:01 |
| dhellmann | yes, they should be | 22:01 |
| dhellmann | so for these cases we just need to add the page containing the directive from oslo.config to spit out the options | 22:01 |
| rockyg | So, it's just adding the directive/matching the example. | 22:01 |
| rockyg | OK. I think rbradfor and I have our work cut out for us. And we are past time. | 22:02 |
| rockyg | We all good? | 22:02 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, I can take a look at this for one project to see what the output comes out like. is nova (biggest and hardest) the place to start | 22:02 |
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| rockyg | Yup and the team working on making the opts better has an etherpad with team member names and stuff here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/config-options | 22:03 |
| rockyg | Yay! I'm calling it. | 22:04 |
| rockyg | Thanks all and dhellmann | 22:04 |
| rockyg | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 22:04:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-01-13-21.15.html | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-01-13-21.15.txt | 22:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2016/log_wg.2016-01-13-21.15.log.html | 22:04 |
| rockyg | gotta run to a NY video shoot for the company.... | 22:04 |
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