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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 13:59:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 13:59 |
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| acabot | hi | 14:00 |
| vtech | o/ | 14:00 |
| tpeoples | o/ | 14:00 |
| jed56 | o/ | 14:00 |
| seanmurphy | hi guys | 14:00 |
| acabot | our agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#12.2F9.2F2015 | 14:00 |
| sballe | o/ | 14:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:00 |
| bzhou | hi | 14:00 |
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| acabot | more people every week for the roll call ;-) | 14:01 |
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| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| cdupont | hi all | 14:02 |
| dtardivel | hi | 14:02 |
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| acabot | our mid-cycle meetup will take place at IBM Austin february 2-5 | 14:02 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:02 |
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| acabot | an eventbrite is available for registration | 14:02 |
| acabot | thx to jwcroppe for hosting it | 14:02 |
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| acabot | sballe: I think we can start spreading the event around us | 14:03 |
| sballe | agreed | 14:03 |
| acabot | we will provide details for accommodations through a wiki page next week | 14:04 |
| acabot | Watcher code as been tagged last friday as it was the mitaka-1 deadline | 14:04 |
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| seanmurphy | acabot: what specifically does this mean? | 14:05 |
| seanmurphy | (in one sentence) | 14:05 |
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| dtardivel | seanmurphy: new pypi package are available (0.21.0 for watcher and 0.20.0 for python-watcherclient) | 14:06 |
| acabot | we try to stick to the OpenStack release schedule so we release software every 2 months (3 releases between each summit) | 14:06 |
| seanmurphy | got it - thanks | 14:06 |
| acabot | it is not mandatory as we are not under the big tent but it is a good way to complete BP thanks to the deadline ;-) | 14:07 |
| acabot | doc and packages are updated when we tag the software | 14:07 |
| acabot | as well | 14:07 |
| acabot | any other announcement ? | 14:07 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:08 | |
| * edleafe wanders in late | 14:08 | |
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| acabot | a lot of code refactoring has been done after the glossary merge | 14:09 |
| acabot | please review all related patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/glossary-related-refactoring,n,z | 14:09 |
| tpeoples | will spend some time this week reviewing those | 14:10 |
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| acabot | #action tpeoples review code refactoring https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/glossary-related-refactoring,n,z | 14:10 |
| * sballe will do the same | 14:11 | |
| acabot | #action sballe review code refactoring https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/glossary-related-refactoring,n,z | 14:11 |
| bzhou | I will review those too | 14:11 |
| mehdi__ | will do the same | 14:11 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:11 |
| acabot | tpeoples submitted a devstack plugin | 14:12 |
| dtardivel | I will test it | 14:12 |
| acabot | it needs to be tested and reviewed | 14:12 |
| acabot | ot> #action mehdi__ review code refactoring https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/glossary-related-refactoring,n,z | 14:12 |
| acabot | #action mehdi__ review code refactoring https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/glossary-related-refactoring,n,z | 14:12 |
| tpeoples | dtardivel: you'll need to get the commit into your local git repo and then use that local repo as the path with enable_plugin | 14:13 |
| acabot | #dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254584/ | 14:13 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254584/ | 14:13 |
| cdupont | I can also review :) | 14:13 |
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| tpeoples | dtardivel: you'll also need to clone python-watcher-client into the same directory as watcher due to some path lookup reasons | 14:13 |
| acabot | cdupont: devstack ? | 14:13 |
| sballe | all the more people who can review the better | 14:14 |
| cdupont | OK | 14:14 |
| acabot | sballe: +1 | 14:14 |
| acabot | #action cdupont review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254584/ | 14:14 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: ok | 14:14 |
| tpeoples | ask me if you have questions | 14:14 |
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| acabot | I'd like to thank Darren & Gábor who fixed many low hanging fruit bugs | 14:15 |
| cdupont | tpeoples: how hard is it to install? | 14:15 |
| acabot | if you can give your IRC name it would be great ;-) | 14:15 |
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| tpeoples | cdupont: not very, it's only hard now because you'll need to pull down my changes into your local git repo since they aren't merged yet, then use that repo instead to enable the plugin | 14:16 |
| cdupont | OK great | 14:17 |
| acabot | to find low hanging fruit bugs : https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit | 14:17 |
| acabot | on watcher specs, there are 2 reviews in progress | 14:18 |
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| jed56 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+watcher-specs,n,z | 14:19 |
| acabot | bzhou: it seems there is a problem on this one (the last PS) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252268/ | 14:19 |
| acabot | bzhou: could you fix it ? | 14:19 |
| bzhou | ok. I will work with Junjie to fix it | 14:20 |
| acabot | ok thx | 14:20 |
| sballe | bzhou: +1 | 14:20 |
| acabot | the other one is just a move into implemented folder for telemetry, sballe, can you +2 today ? | 14:20 |
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| sballe | yes | 14:21 |
| acabot | thx | 14:21 |
| sballe | which spec? | 14:21 |
| acabot | #action sballe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254130/ | 14:21 |
| acabot | #action bzhou fix review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252268/ (last PS) | 14:21 |
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| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:22 |
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| acabot | tpeoples: you had to split the BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/well-defined-interfaces | 14:23 |
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| tpeoples | I spent a bit of time looking at our use cases to try and split this up and it seems like a lot of things already have well-defined interfaces, so I didn't want to create BPs that are useless. | 14:23 |
| tpeoples | The Strategy abstraction allows us to define different optimization algorithms already given the current state of the cloud; the cluster model collector allows us to define different ways to get the current state (metrics). | 14:23 |
| tpeoples | The one thing that I thought could use some work is how actions are defined, and I think we should try and use taskflow for these to get a well-defined interface as well as for other reasons. See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/use-taskflow for more details. | 14:23 |
| jed56 | tpeoples I agree | 14:24 |
| vmahe_ | I agree that we should have a look at taskflow project and see if it fits our needs | 14:24 |
| jed56 | about taskflow I want to understand how we can implement our own planner strategy | 14:25 |
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| acabot | #action vmahe_ jed56 look at the taskflow project to see if it fits Watcher needs | 14:25 |
| acabot | does any one of you already experienced taskflow ? | 14:25 |
| tpeoples | i have used it a bit | 14:25 |
| acabot | in which context ? | 14:26 |
| tpeoples | running concurrent tests that had a bunch of dependencies. we also use it for the nova-powervm driver | 14:26 |
| acabot | ok | 14:26 |
| acabot | we have a couple of new BPs these week | 14:27 |
| tpeoples | i think we'll find it suits our needs :). a lot of what we're doing in code we'd get out of the box with it. let's discuss more next week | 14:27 |
| acabot | tpeoples: ok | 14:27 |
| tpeoples | acabot: before we move on, what do we want to use with the well-defined-interfaces BP? | 14:28 |
| tpeoples | want to do* | 14:28 |
| tpeoples | mark as obsolete? | 14:29 |
| acabot | tpeoples: we have things to change regarding interfaces between watcher components | 14:29 |
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| acabot | tpeoples: but I think its a big "spec" work | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | ok | 14:30 |
| acabot | I suggest to keep this BP in the list and update it with a more precise scope (like one component) and use it as a test | 14:31 |
| acabot | we have 3 new BPs | 14:32 |
| acabot | the first one is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/efficacy-indicator | 14:32 |
| acabot | any comment on this one ? | 14:32 |
| acabot | should we have a spec for it ? | 14:33 |
| tpeoples | +1 to efficacy over efficiency. yes, i think a spec is necessary to outline how it's going to be implemented | 14:33 |
| dtardivel | +1 | 14:33 |
| jed56 | +2 | 14:34 |
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| acabot | #action acabot start a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/efficacy-indicator | 14:34 |
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| sballe | +2 | 14:34 |
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| acabot | 2nd https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-ui | 14:34 |
| acabot | integration of Watcher in Horizon | 14:34 |
| acabot | we already have a beta version on our side | 14:35 |
| sballe | we might need to talk to the horizon tea, | 14:35 |
| sballe | s/team | 14:35 |
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| sballe | acabot: maybe you could do a demo so we can see it | 14:35 |
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| acabot | sballe: sure I will provide a video for next meeting | 14:35 |
| sballe | acabot: +1 | 14:36 |
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| tpeoples | we'll want to integrate that into the devstack plugin as a horizon plugin at some point, jfyi | 14:36 |
| acabot | #action acabot record a video of Watcher UI before next meeting | 14:36 |
| acabot | tpeoples: absolutely | 14:36 |
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| acabot | and then the 3rd : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/basic-cloud-consolidation-integration | 14:37 |
| acabot | seanmurphy has submitted it | 14:37 |
| seanmurphy | we would like to see if we can implement our earlier work on watcher | 14:37 |
| seanmurphy | understand what is required to realize it on watcher | 14:38 |
| seanmurphy | and implement it | 14:38 |
| seanmurphy | acabot suggested doing it for the m-3 mar 3 date | 14:38 |
| seanmurphy | which we can do | 14:38 |
| seanmurphy | m-2 is a bit soon for us | 14:38 |
| seanmurphy | as we have commitments from now into early jan | 14:38 |
| sballe | seanmurphy: sounds good | 14:39 |
| acabot | seanmurphy: can we have reviewed specs on it by 21st jan ? | 14:39 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:39 |
| seanmurphy | yes - this should be possible i think | 14:39 |
| acabot | and then implem for mitaka-3 | 14:39 |
| acabot | ok great | 14:39 |
| seanmurphy | right | 14:39 |
| tpeoples | i think jwcroppe and i would probably be interested in helping with a CPU util-based algorithm | 14:39 |
| seanmurphy | i will need to look at some examples to make sure i structure them properly etc | 14:40 |
| acabot | tpeoples: do you mean on the same BP ? | 14:40 |
| seanmurphy | we’d be happy work with anyone on it | 14:40 |
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| jed56 | :) | 14:40 |
| tpeoples | acabot: yeah (even though this BP isn't "reactive") | 14:40 |
| acabot | #action seanmurphy start a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/basic-cloud-consolidation-integration | 14:41 |
| cdupont_ | related to the consolidation I have some questions | 14:41 |
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| cdupont_ | shall I? :) | 14:42 |
| seanmurphy | shoot | 14:42 |
| acabot | cdupont_: sure | 14:42 |
| cdupont_ | we also started two BPs on a consolidation language/grammar | 14:42 |
| seanmurphy | ok | 14:43 |
| cdupont_ | I rretro-engineered a bit Watcher code | 14:43 |
| cdupont_ | at the moment there is a data model implemented | 14:43 |
| cdupont_ | what I'm not sure is how it can be extended t suit our needs | 14:43 |
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| sballe | cdupont_: can you clarify? | 14:44 |
| cdupont_ | how the data model of Watcher can be extended, i.e. what if I need more infos on a VM, for example it's last migration time | 14:45 |
| jed56 | cdupont : this a good question | 14:45 |
| jed56 | :) | 14:45 |
| acabot | cdupont_: we are still waiting for a spec regarding the grammar stuff | 14:45 |
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| acabot | cdupont_: it would be easier to iterate on gerrit | 14:46 |
| cdupont_ | the grammar for consolidation rules? | 14:46 |
| jed56 | We need to write a BP about how to extend to data model depending the need | 14:46 |
| acabot | yes | 14:46 |
| cdupont_ | +1 | 14:47 |
| jed56 | we will never have a universal model | 14:47 |
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| cdupont_ | it's not trivial really :) | 14:48 |
| jed56 | We can maybe provided like CloudSim some generic model | 14:48 |
| acabot | this BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-consolidation-grammar has been accepted but you need to write a spec to give us details about what you are planning to do | 14:48 |
| cdupont_ | OK | 14:48 |
| cdupont_ | this is about the grammar for consolidation rules | 14:49 |
| acabot | specs are in watcher-specs repo, you will find templates available | 14:49 |
| cdupont_ | i.e. "this VM must not move", "those two VMs must stay together", etc. | 14:49 |
| sballe | +1 on the spec | 14:49 |
| acabot | cdupont_: ok so seanmurphy will start a spec on consolidation algo and you will be able to ask questions regarding the data model through gerrit ok ? | 14:50 |
| cdupont_ | it's OK | 14:50 |
| seanmurphy | works for me | 14:50 |
| acabot | any update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-consolidation-rules-api ? | 14:50 |
| jed56 | if have question regarding data model you can use #openstack-watcher | 14:50 |
| acabot | Michele is set as assignee but I dont know who he is | 14:51 |
| cdupont_ | acabot: It's Federico. I don't know of any update | 14:51 |
| acabot | ok I will send a mail | 14:51 |
| cdupont_ | OK | 14:52 |
| acabot | anyone from Servionica ? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-overload-underload | 14:52 |
| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:53 |
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| seanmurphy | meetings over holiday period? | 14:53 |
| vmahe_ | we don't know what holiday means :-) | 14:53 |
| vincentfrancoise | vmahe_: lol | 14:54 |
| seanmurphy | haha | 14:54 |
| acabot | dtardivel will handle the meeting next week and sballe will do it around christmas | 14:54 |
| tpeoples | acabot: i want to work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/tempest-basic-set-up if no one already has | 14:54 |
| seanmurphy | ok | 14:54 |
| seanmurphy | so basically business as usual | 14:54 |
| seanmurphy | meeting will take place same bat time, same bat channel | 14:54 |
| jed56 | vmahe : how to make a work a better place with so many holidays :) | 14:54 |
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| seanmurphy | thanks | 14:54 |
| jed56 | word | 14:54 |
| acabot | #action tpeoples start working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/tempest-basic-set-up | 14:55 |
| tpeoples | there's the translation BP too, but I think that's pretty low priority at this point | 14:55 |
| acabot | there is also an open BP on translation, anyone interested ? ;-) | 14:55 |
| acabot | tpeoples: +1 | 14:56 |
| tpeoples | i'm interested in that but don't want to grab it at this point :) | 14:56 |
| bzhou | anyone want to work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/optimization-threshold? Or I am going to take it. | 14:56 |
| acabot | bzhou: I think it is deeply related with your PoC, it would be great to have you on this one | 14:57 |
| bzhou | acabot: yeah | 14:57 |
| jed56 | +1 | 14:57 |
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| acabot | #action bzhou start working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/optimization-threshold? | 14:58 |
| sballe | bzhou: +1 | 14:58 |
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| tpeoples | would anyone else like the openstackgerritbot to sit in our channel, or would it annoy people? i'm not sure if it's even possible, might have to spin up our own bot for it, but i can find out | 14:58 |
| sballe | I am not sure what that means? | 14:59 |
| acabot | tpeoples: I already did it ;-) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254765/ | 14:59 |
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| acabot | but the CI failed so I'm waiting... | 14:59 |
| sballe | lol | 14:59 |
| tpeoples | awesome acabot | 14:59 |
| tpeoples | sballe: it's a bot that puts a message to the channel when someone submits a patchset | 14:59 |
| acabot | thanks for this great meeting | 15:00 |
| jed56 | thanks :) | 15:00 |
| tpeoples | ttyl | 15:00 |
| cdupont_ | tks | 15:00 |
| acabot | bye | 15:00 |
| seanmurphy | bye guys! | 15:00 |
| bzhou | thanks | 15:00 |
| cdupont_ | bye | 15:00 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| vincentfrancoise | bye | 15:00 |
| jed56 | bye | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 15:00:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-12-09-13.59.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-12-09-13.59.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-12-09-13.59.log.html | 15:00 |
| mehdi__ | tnx bye | 15:00 |
| sballe | bye | 15:00 |
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| jasondotstar | #startmeeting vahana | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 15:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vahana' | 15:01 |
| Ng | .o/ | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:01 | |
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| jasondotstar | howdy Ng | 15:01 |
| Ng | hey hey :) | 15:01 |
| vtech | \o/ | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | hey there | 15:01 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduction (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:02 | |
| jasondotstar | eventually I'll drop this section of the meeting | 15:02 |
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| jasondotstar | but it's new, so I figure I should remind folks... | 15:02 |
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| jasondotstar | friendly reminder that the OpenStack Vahana project is an effort to build an iOS client for OpenStack, in the form of one or more frameworks for interacting with the OS API, and *possibly* front end app | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-mobile-ios-brainstorm | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | Interested parties are encouraged to join the #openstack-vahana IRC channel | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | we'll keep the train moving here...... | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | I'm feeling like this might be another short meeting for us, but we'll see.... | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Action Items from Last Meeting | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from Last Meeting (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:04 | |
| jasondotstar | so for some reason | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | the meetbot didn't keep the meeting log from our last meeting :-( | 15:05 |
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| Ng | jasondotstar: I think it did, but last week the topic was set to "openstack-vahana" | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | ahhh | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | so consistency is key | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | so i think we'll go with starting meeting as just vahana | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | that's what we started out with :-) | 15:06 |
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| Ng | +1 | 15:06 |
| * jasondotstar wonders if we can find the agenda using openstack-vahana | 15:06 | |
| * jasondotstar looks | 15:06 | |
| jasondotstar | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-vahana/ 404 | 15:07 |
| Ng | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_vahana/2015/openstack_vahana.2015-12-02-15.01.html | 15:07 |
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| jasondotstar | \o/ | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | understore | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | underscore* | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | cool. | 15:08 |
| Ng | so I had one action item, and I need to carry it over because I haven't done it yet, sorry! | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | no worries | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | I did get a chance to chat with the horizon folks yesterday | 15:09 |
| jasondotstar | we had a decent talk about native vs. cordova | 15:09 |
| jasondotstar | Piet from the UX team was actually there | 15:09 |
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| jasondotstar | so if you want to touch base w/ him | 15:09 |
| Ng | ah nice | 15:09 |
| Ng | yeah | 15:09 |
| Ng | what was their feeling on native vs cordova? | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | he gave me some insight regarding going down this road before | 15:10 |
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| jasondotstar | well, several of them seemed to agree with the platform agnostic play | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | I gave them a few things to chew on regarding the benefits of going native | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | ending with a 'and i just dont want to do HTML/JS' | 15:11 |
| Ng | hehe | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | tvOS dashboards | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | watchOS alerts | 15:12 |
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| jasondotstar | so trying to make a play for going native.... and there was one who jokingly spoke up and said 'oh so it's an excuse to play with the cool toys' | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | :-) | 15:12 |
| Ng | mwaha | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | Piet did mention that there are making use cases for mobile | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | and *then* there are use cases for NATIVE iOS | 15:13 |
| Ng | nice | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | they were having trouble with the use cases for mobile in the past | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | so it was suggested to do an operators survey | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | where we put together something that asks them which actions would you take where | 15:14 |
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| jasondotstar | and have like a browser tablet phone matrix | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | or something | 15:14 |
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| Ng | as in *we* do an operators survey? or is this something they are already working on that we can be part of? | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | good qn. | 15:15 |
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| jasondotstar | I was thinking he meant "we". | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | at that point I asked our colleagues at HP about it | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | and dhellmann spoke up and offered to do a warm intro to the user committee | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | who might help us set something up like this | 15:16 |
| Ng | woot | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | so if you want to continue working the UX angle | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | while i work with dhellmann on getting somewhere with the survey | 15:17 |
| * Ng nods | 15:17 | |
| jasondotstar | those could be a couple actions we take this week.... | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | #action Ng to continue chasing down support from the UX team | 15:18 |
| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to take up dhellmann on his offer to introduce him to the user committee in an effort to kickoff the op survey | 15:18 |
| jasondotstar | we also talked about technology to support they survey, but to me that doesn't matter as much. CIVS or Google Forms | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | we'll find the right tool to support it | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | s/they/the | 15:19 |
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| jasondotstar | ok so my other action item I'll have to roll fwd | 15:20 |
| jasondotstar | it was this one: to chat with -infra about public cloud API testing environment(s) | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | I'll revisit that one this week | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to chat with -infra about public cloud API testing environment(s) | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | alright the unassigned ones: | 15:21 |
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| jasondotstar | come up with a list of short-term MVP goals | 15:22 |
| jasondotstar | we *sorta* started this one | 15:22 |
| jasondotstar | but I think we should add a couple more | 15:22 |
| jasondotstar | so far we've got: | 15:23 |
| jasondotstar | Class that authenticates with keystone and stores the resulting token | 15:23 |
| jasondotstar | and | 15:23 |
| jasondotstar | Class that bears basic Nova (Compute) functions | 15:23 |
| jasondotstar | things like, listing compute resources | 15:24 |
| Ng | I now have a ridiculously simplified class that can fetch a token from keystone | 15:24 |
| jasondotstar | NIIIIIIIIIICE | 15:24 |
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| jasondotstar | \o/ | 15:24 |
| Ng | it needs a bunch of work to be anything close to production ready, but that work all requires us to start making infrastructure decisions | 15:25 |
| * jasondotstar hears the brass ensemble playing a glorious fanfare | 15:25 | |
| Ng | like logging, which variation of the observer pattern we're going to use, etc. | 15:25 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:25 |
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| jasondotstar | that brings me to our other unassigned task | 15:25 |
| jasondotstar | git repo | 15:25 |
| jasondotstar | i didn't look into this one at all..... | 15:25 |
| jasondotstar | any thoughts here? | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | as I stated before | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | I jumped the gun a bit and created a couple | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | but with the concerted effort we should create a vahana git repo | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | somewhere.... esp now that we're making some progress developmentally | 15:27 |
| Ng | the question is where | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | yep | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | big question | 15:28 |
| Ng | github is easy, infra would be better, but I'm not sure what happens if you want a git repo from infra without any testing | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | github? | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | is it just a matter of asking -infra for it? | 15:28 |
| Ng | I suspect it'll turn into a review adding it to infra's repos, but it's so long since I've done it, that I don't know :) | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | I'll take that one since I've already got to talk to them | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to chat with -infra about git repo hosting | 15:30 |
| jasondotstar | OK | 15:31 |
| jasondotstar | anything else on the action items? | 15:31 |
| Ng | nothing from me | 15:31 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 15:31 |
| jasondotstar | #topic R&D | 15:32 |
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| Ng | so my R&D work was around getting the barest possible keystone authentication going, which I have done | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | you touched on what you've got working thus far | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | awesome | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | I'm behind on my R&D work | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | but I'd like to have a look at what you've got going | 15:33 |
| Ng | I have a class that wraps AlamoFire, in case we need to change that, and an Identity class that at the moment just takes url/username/password as init parameters, and has a getToken() | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | nice | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | about what I was going to try | 15:33 |
| Ng | http://pastebin.com/Fz9vcbw7 is what I have in my playground right now | 15:33 |
| * jasondotstar looks | 15:35 | |
| Ng | (I arbitrarily picked "OSV" as the class prefix, for OpenStack Vahana :) | 15:35 |
| jasondotstar | yep | 15:35 |
| jasondotstar | just peeped that | 15:35 |
| jasondotstar | OSVBase | 15:35 |
| jasondotstar | OSVRest, etc, etc. | 15:35 |
| jasondotstar | I like it. | 15:35 |
| jasondotstar | nice wrap | 15:36 |
| jasondotstar | all the funcs needed | 15:36 |
| jasondotstar | cool. I'll have to try this out with my devstack env | 15:37 |
| jasondotstar | i honestly don't know much about keystone API | 15:38 |
| Ng | so I said just now that logging and observerpattern were the things I care about next. I just added OSVBase right after saying that and added the logging functions to it, so that is now abstracted and we can defer any decision about logging until later | 15:38 |
| Ng | but the observer one is a really important decision | 15:38 |
| jasondotstar | is there much beyond grabbing the tokens and logging | 15:38 |
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| jasondotstar | ? | 15:38 |
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| Ng | that depends :) | 15:39 |
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| Ng | the keystone API has tons of stuff in it, and really it comes down to how a cloud/tenant is set up | 15:39 |
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| jasondotstar | gotcha | 15:39 |
| Ng | e.g. you can get a token that's restricted to specific things | 15:39 |
| jasondotstar | right | 15:39 |
| Ng | the (very formal) API spec for keystone is http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-identity-v3.html | 15:39 |
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| jasondotstar | do we state up from this the amount of the keystone API that we're going to implement? | 15:40 |
| jasondotstar | or do we start small and work our way up? | 15:40 |
| jasondotstar | s/from/front | 15:40 |
| jasondotstar | s/this the/this is the/ | 15:40 |
| jasondotstar | typos galore this morning | 15:41 |
| * jasondotstar needs coffee | 15:41 | |
| Ng | yeah I'm struggling with that one a bit. I worry that if we start dumb and try to get smarter, the architecture will be wrong. I also worry that if we try to start smart, we won't be understanding the problem space properly and will still get it wrong ;) | 15:41 |
| jasondotstar | true stmt. | 15:41 |
| Ng | I think the latter worry pretty much forces me to start dumb and try to get smarter | 15:42 |
| jasondotstar | this is where the survey would help | 15:42 |
| jasondotstar | knowing what ppl might want to use mobile for | 15:42 |
| Ng | yeah, that will definitely help | 15:42 |
| jasondotstar | might steer us in the direction of which portions of the API to expose | 15:42 |
| jasondotstar | meanwhile, we can continue R&D | 15:43 |
| jasondotstar | (i guess) | 15:43 |
| jasondotstar | figuring out what we can/can't should/shouldn't do | 15:43 |
| Ng | ultimately though, the Identity class' main job is "here is some set of auth data and metadata, get me a token" and that should be reasonably possible to always entirely hide inside the class, so we can change/improve/expand it over time | 15:43 |
| jasondotstar | yep | 15:44 |
| jasondotstar | agreed | 15:44 |
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| Ng | and if people want it to be able to talk to the Policies part of keystone's API, that would just be more functions in OSVIdentity | 15:44 |
| jasondotstar | #agreed on the role of the Identity class in openstack-vahana. it's job is to fetch the API token | 15:45 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:45 |
| jasondotstar | s/it's/its | 15:45 |
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| Ng | another question is whether we should support older API versions | 15:46 |
| jasondotstar | hmmmmm | 15:46 |
| jasondotstar | good one | 15:46 |
| Ng | I am somewhat tempted to avoid that decision by just renaming OSVIdentity to OSVIdentity3 | 15:47 |
| Ng | then if people care for v2, it can be added | 15:47 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:47 |
| jasondotstar | #agreed we should concern ourselves with API v3 and not worry about supporting older API versions atm | 15:48 |
| jasondotstar | good stuff. | 15:49 |
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| jasondotstar | ok we're about 10 mins out | 15:49 |
| jasondotstar | any other R&D items? | 15:50 |
| Ng | observer pattern, or as I rather suspect, pattern*s* | 15:50 |
| Ng | this is a really tough one | 15:51 |
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| jasondotstar | indeed | 15:51 |
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| Ng | delegates are 1:1, KVO isn't really native to swift, and NSNotificationCenter is awfully blunt | 15:51 |
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| Ng | I'm currently looking at https://github.com/slazyk/Observable-Swift | 15:52 |
| jasondotstar | https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Swift/Conceptual/BuildingCocoaApps/AdoptingCocoaDesignPatterns.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40014216-CH7-XID_8 | 15:53 |
| jasondotstar | there's some KVO stuff there | 15:53 |
| jasondotstar | but I haven't read through it all | 15:53 |
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| jasondotstar | #action evaluate how we are to implement Observer pattern(s) | 15:54 |
| Ng | so the KVO you can do with Swift is actually using the objc runtime and only works for classes that derive from NSObject (which, for no especially good reason, all of mine currently do) | 15:54 |
| jasondotstar | yep that's what i saw | 15:54 |
| jasondotstar | subclassing NSObject should work | 15:55 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Open Discussion | 15:55 |
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| jasondotstar | last five minutes | 15:55 |
| Ng | I don't think I have anything else for this week :) | 15:56 |
| jasondotstar | nope, I didn't think we'd take up the whole hour | 15:56 |
| jasondotstar | but good discussion | 15:56 |
| Ng | :) | 15:56 |
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| jasondotstar | I'm tapped out. :-) | 15:56 |
| jasondotstar | well, thx again. until next week | 15:56 |
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| Ng | thanks :) | 15:56 |
| jasondotstar | Ng++ | 15:56 |
| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 15:56:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2015/vahana.2015-12-09-15.01.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2015/vahana.2015-12-09-15.01.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2015/vahana.2015-12-09-15.01.log.html | 15:57 |
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| rhallisey | #startmeeting kolla | 16:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 16:31:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhallisey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:32 |
| rhallisey | #topic rollcall | 16:32 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:32 | |
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| rhallisey | hello | 16:32 |
| akwasnie | hi | 16:32 |
| pbourke | here | 16:32 |
| nihilifer | hi | 16:32 |
| britthouser | o/ | 16:32 |
| rhallisey | inc0, around? | 16:32 |
| * jpeeler is here | 16:32 | |
| rhallisey | jpeeler, oh hai! | 16:32 |
| kproskurin | hi | 16:33 |
| inc0 | yeah | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | #topic Announcements | 16:33 |
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| rhallisey | I don't really any announcements, I figured this meeting will be focused on upgrades | 16:34 |
| inc0 | yay | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | I know we need to tag M-1 soon | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | like yesterday ).0 | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | O.o | 16:35 |
| nihilifer | like 4 Dec? | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | #topic Upgrade playbook | 16:35 |
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| rhallisey | inc0, you added this, why don't you lead the discussion | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | :) | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254395/ | 16:36 |
| inc0 | ok, so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254395/ | 16:36 |
| inc0 | I started to make playbook for upgrades | 16:36 |
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| inc0 | I took slightly different approach than we agreed on summit | 16:37 |
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| inc0 | it seems it makes more sense to break stuff per project | 16:37 |
| inc0 | every project is different and procedure will be different | 16:38 |
| britthouser | That seems to match what we had drawn on the whiteboard? | 16:38 |
| inc0 | so to get any upgrades asap, I'll just ask community per project and do what they tell me to do | 16:38 |
| inc0 | well we won't have "kolla version" this way | 16:39 |
| inc0 | it will be nova version and keystone version | 16:39 |
| pbourke | my only concern is how will that fit in with current ops expectations | 16:39 |
| pbourke | as most do not do rolling upgrades | 16:39 |
| pbourke | they will want to go from kolla x to kolla y | 16:40 |
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| britthouser | So the "kolla version" will just be a conglomerate of each project's versions? that's kinda how I understood things were going to work in Tokyo | 16:40 |
| inc0 | yeah, and it might be snowflake | 16:40 |
| inc0 | I'm ok with ks liberty and rest mitaka, thats ok | 16:40 |
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| rhallisey | inc0, I got a question since I missed this meeting. This would be upgrade from liberty to M | 16:42 |
| pbourke | will other distrubutions such as rdo be moving to this mechanism I wonder? | 16:42 |
| inc0 | kolla version will be just version of code you have, not version of deployed stuff | 16:42 |
| inc0 | yeah, this will be L->M | 16:42 |
| inc0 | or rather L->master | 16:42 |
| inc0 | at any point | 16:42 |
| inc0 | until we tag | 16:42 |
| britthouser | Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but this sounds like what we discussed in Tokyo. At the point we tag, then that is when the "version" of kolla is defined. and it will just be the sum of the versions of each project at that point in time? | 16:44 |
| nihilifer | i'm not aware what exactly you agreed about in tokio and how's your current idea different | 16:44 |
| nihilifer | but the current idea makes sense IMO | 16:45 |
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| rhallisey | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-mitaka-upgrade | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | we can take a minute to read here | 16:47 |
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| pbourke | i think the key difference is the etherpad was to provide a monolithic playbook to move between atomic versions of kolla | 16:49 |
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| pbourke | a "version" of kolla would be comprised of multiple versions of it's components | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | ' - Most likely will supply a playbook or script (last resort) for each upgrade' | 16:50 |
| pbourke | but there would be no option to move indiviviual ones forward | 16:50 |
| pbourke | does that make sense based on what others remember? | 16:51 |
| britthouser | Maybe this is just micro/macro viewpoint. Micro: each project will have its own playbook. I remmeber we sketched this out on the white board. | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | so in inc0's case can one upgrade just nova? | 16:51 |
| inc0 | yeah | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | ok I like that | 16:51 |
| britthouser | macro: a set of playbooks tied together and tagged ? | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | inc0, I like it, but we will need to doc our recommendation. Did you guys talk about the case someone upgrade only one service | 16:52 |
| britthouser | i.e. the two methods don't exclude each other. One just makes up the other? | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | and just leaves it that way | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | britthouser, I think so | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | that's the way I understand it at least | 16:53 |
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| britthouser | ok cool. Me too. | 16:54 |
| britthouser | @inc0 does that jive with your understanding too? | 16:54 |
| rhallisey | since we have the ability to do a rolling update is there any concern for say running a mitaka nova and a liberty glance | 16:54 |
| inc0 | yeah, so if you look at patchset | 16:54 |
| inc0 | there is upgrade.yml master playbook | 16:54 |
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| inc0 | this will call one upgrade after anothert | 16:54 |
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| inc0 | but you can to -t nova to upgrade just nova | 16:55 |
| jokke_ | rhallisey: that specific combo will hopefully have a problem :P | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | jokke_, not necessary, I've done it | 16:56 |
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| rhallisey | I did it wil kilo & liberty | 16:56 |
| inc0 | hey sdake we're talking about upgrades so you might be interested | 16:56 |
| jokke_ | rhallisey: we are currently working to get mitaka Nova consuming v2 Images API and we are doing some changes in Glance side to facilitate that | 16:56 |
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| britthouser | to rhallisey' point, I could see operators wanting to pick and choose specific versions of each project. | 16:56 |
| jokke_ | rhallisey: so as said we're hopefully in a state where we get that work done this cycle and it might have a problem | 16:57 |
| inc0 | well jokke_ in this case upgrade of glance is straightforward enough to be done before you upgrade nova | 16:57 |
| britthouser | but I think that's a diffrent discussion. if the upgrades for each project are tehre, then that functionatliy could happen down the road. | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | jokke_, I mean it may not work now, but that would be cool to have. In the past it worked for me | 16:57 |
| jokke_ | inc0: and that way it should work perfectly fine | 16:57 |
| inc0 | I expect most of people will try to upgrade whole thing anyway | 16:57 |
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| inc0 | this approach would let them do that in steps | 16:57 |
| inc0 | which in my mind is valuable ability | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | inc0, I expect there to be a decent amount of people who do a by service upgrade | 16:58 |
| britthouser | agreed inc0 | 16:58 |
| inc0 | today glance, tomorrow nova | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | and keep some around that they don't want to touch | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | 'mix and match' | 16:58 |
| inc0 | upgrade glance -> validate if it's ok and only after that you do next step | 16:58 |
| jokke_ | my point was to bring that up because I think these things might happen between project so you might not be able to count that every variation of upgrade order will work | 16:58 |
| inc0 | and you can stop anywhere you want | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | you can do it properly if it's documented correctly | 16:58 |
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| rhallisey | jokke_, for sure. I've tried XD | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | jokke_, some do though | 16:58 |
| inc0 | jokke_, we'll need to carefuly create upgrade guide | 16:59 |
| inc0 | and do order well | 16:59 |
| inc0 | but that's part of this task anyway | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | inc0, the docs for ordering/mix&match would need to be spot on | 16:59 |
| inc0 | yup | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | and they may not work from M->N | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | you never know | 16:59 |
| inc0 | I intend to do lots of experiments with this, and I'd appreciate help | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | so it's a tricky subject | 16:59 |
| inc0 | as I'll probably focus on ubuntu | 16:59 |
| inc0 | so our playbook might change each release | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | inc0, I did a bunch of research in the past around this. I'll try and help it along | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | inc0, correct, the playbook and docs would change based on the intended upgrade | 17:00 |
| inc0 | but general idea is it should always upgrade from last stable to current master | 17:00 |
| inc0 | best case scenerio - doc will just need to explain what ansible-playbook upgrade.yml does | 17:01 |
| inc0 | and all you need to do is to call this master playbook and it works | 17:01 |
| inc0 | that would be my goal | 17:01 |
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| inc0 | and upgrade.yml always upgrades stable->master | 17:02 |
| rhallisey | cool | 17:02 |
| inc0 | therefore when we tag out Mitaka it will upgrade liberty->mitaka | 17:02 |
| britthouser | So each time a new stable is cut, the playbooks would be rewritten? or appended? | 17:02 |
| inc0 | and change to be mitaka->master | 17:02 |
| rhallisey | britthouser, Appended | 17:02 |
| inc0 | so I don't expect upgrade procedure will be different per release really | 17:02 |
| inc0 | there might be some differences, but we'll work on those case by case | 17:03 |
| nihilifer | but if it will? | 17:03 |
| inc0 | nova upgrade procedure hasn't changed since I | 17:03 |
| nihilifer | then i'm +1 for idea od appendinf | 17:03 |
| nihilifer | appending* | 17:03 |
| inc0 | we will adjust plays accordingly | 17:03 |
| inc0 | maybe append, maybe not | 17:03 |
| inc0 | there might be steps that needs to be deleted | 17:03 |
| inc0 | or replaced | 17:03 |
| rhallisey | for sure | 17:04 |
| inc0 | all I'm saying is these plays should always upgrade stable->master | 17:04 |
| inc0 | and we need to keep working on these forever and ever | 17:04 |
| inc0 | later on we should gate on this | 17:04 |
| pbourke | it sounds good :) | 17:04 |
| britthouser | So lets say I"m running liberty, in two years I decide to upgrade to N release. | 17:04 |
| rhallisey | britthouser, O.o | 17:04 |
| inc0 | britthouser, then you download mitaka | 17:04 |
| britthouser | will the playbooks to upgrade L->M still be around? | 17:04 |
| inc0 | upgrae to mitaka | 17:05 |
| rhallisey | hehe | 17:05 |
| inc0 | then you download N and upgrade to N | 17:05 |
| inc0 | as long as code will be | 17:05 |
| britthouser | ok...yeah that's what I'm getting at. Will the N versions have the playbooks for L->M? | 17:05 |
| rhallisey | britthouser, so I was thinking we have a playbook set per release | 17:05 |
| britthouser | sounds like no? | 17:05 |
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| rhallisey | major release | 17:05 |
| inc0 | britthouser, no, they will not | 17:05 |
| inc0 | you'll need to do step by step | 17:05 |
| britthouser | Ok yeah that would be a pain to maintain. | 17:05 |
| inc0 | but plays will be available on git | 17:05 |
| britthouser | right | 17:05 |
| nihilifer | so they will be in stable branches, right? | 17:05 |
| rhallisey | yes | 17:06 |
| nihilifer | ok, makes sense | 17:06 |
| inc0 | so you can do that, it will be harder, but well...your fault really | 17:06 |
| inc0 | so, my approach has one other advantage | 17:06 |
| inc0 | if any of you want to pick a project and write upgrade play for it, I'll appreciate help;) | 17:06 |
| rhallisey | inc0, are their BP's for each service? | 17:07 |
| inc0 | we can do this in pararell and more project will get upgrade coverage | 17:07 |
| britthouser | So we're basically telling operators not to get more than one release behind, or they'll upgrades will require multi-steps | 17:07 |
| rhallisey | doesn't look like it | 17:07 |
| pbourke | do work items | 17:07 |
| inc0 | rhallisey, I made one for nova | 17:07 |
| rhallisey | ok I'll make BPs for the rest of the services | 17:07 |
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| inc0 | work items also work, but each play will be big enough for a bp I think | 17:08 |
| inc0 | and might require discussion on itself as projects differ and upgrade procedures differ | 17:08 |
| rhallisey | I'd rather do BP's so we can track who has each one | 17:08 |
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| inc0 | yeah, agree rhallisey | 17:09 |
| rhallisey | ok thanks inc0. Any more points of emphasis on the topic of upgrades? | 17:09 |
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| inc0 | if you agree with this approach, then let's just get to work I guess:) | 17:09 |
| rhallisey | I like it | 17:10 |
| rhallisey | #topic kolla-mesos | 17:10 |
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| rhallisey | Just wanted to give them a shotout | 17:10 |
| rhallisey | and remind the cores that if you are interested in reviewing that work | 17:10 |
| rhallisey | be sure to filter for it | 17:10 |
| rhallisey | because I noticed they were 1 core short on like 10 patches | 17:10 |
| rhallisey | so if you are looking to do some reviews add kolla-mesos to your watchlist | 17:11 |
| rhallisey | #topic Open Discussion | 17:11 |
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| rhallisey | who's got some cool stuff they want to talk about? | 17:11 |
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| britthouser | I missed last week's meeting, but was there an update on mid-cycle? | 17:12 |
| inc0 | britthouser, nope | 17:12 |
| britthouser | Ok. =) | 17:12 |
| nihilifer | last week freenode had splitbrain | 17:12 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ^ anything? | 17:12 |
| rhallisey | I have something if I may | 17:12 |
| rhallisey | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kolla-kubernetes | 17:12 |
| rhallisey | I saw kube now support the stuff we need to use it | 17:13 |
| sdake | root canal - on pto | 17:13 |
| inc0 | no net=host in k8s right? | 17:13 |
| rhallisey | figured i'd just throw that out there | 17:13 |
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| rhallisey | inc0, no it is | 17:13 |
| nihilifer | rhallisey: nice | 17:13 |
| nihilifer | but one question | 17:13 |
| nihilifer | what about bootstrap tasks? | 17:13 |
| nihilifer | does k8s support them? | 17:13 |
| rhallisey | net=host pid=host and --privileged are in v1.1 | 17:13 |
| nihilifer | that's what we use chronos for in kolla-mesos | 17:13 |
| rhallisey | nihilifer, good question. I'll get back to you on that | 17:13 |
| inc0 | well, whoever would take on k8s will need to figure this out | 17:14 |
| jpeeler | rhallisey: glad you asked about those caps | 17:14 |
| sdake | no bbootstrp tasks | 17:14 |
| nihilifer | rhallisey: i ask, because from what i know, it doesn't | 17:14 |
| nihilifer | but my idea | 17:14 |
| inc0 | we can do mixture ansible->k8s | 17:14 |
| nihilifer | is to use k8s as mesos framework then | 17:14 |
| nihilifer | so opposite mixture that inc0 proposes ;) | 17:14 |
| sdake | comonguys lets just stick to what we have on our plates | 17:14 |
| sdake | whih is massive | 17:14 |
| sdake | we don't need to invent more work for no good reason | 17:14 |
| rhallisey | I'm not saying this is happening or anything but that I"m just looking at it | 17:15 |
| inc0 | yeah, upgrades will take lot of work | 17:15 |
| rhallisey | +1 focus on upgrades | 17:15 |
| inc0 | let's wait for someone who needs k8s;) | 17:15 |
| nihilifer | +1 for postponing k8s | 17:15 |
| nihilifer | but i;m just saying | 17:15 |
| inc0 | if someone needs it, we'll help | 17:15 |
| rhallisey | it's just show and tell :D | 17:15 |
| nihilifer | that we may use it as mesos framweork along with chronos | 17:15 |
| rhallisey | nihilifer, kk noted | 17:16 |
| inc0 | yeah once we have mesos there might be little value added by k8s... | 17:16 |
| rhallisey | inc0, unless someone wanted to make it. I'm not opposed to that | 17:16 |
| nihilifer | k8s would be de facto alternative for marathon | 17:17 |
| inc0 | yup, it's possible and it's job for the taking;) | 17:17 |
| inc0 | we could do kolla-on-magnum | 17:17 |
| inc0 | like tripleo but more;) | 17:17 |
| rhallisey | O.O | 17:17 |
| inc0 | kom | 17:17 |
| nihilifer | lol | 17:17 |
| britthouser | OCOO | 17:18 |
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| inc0 | koalla with a magnum gun would be logo | 17:18 |
| rhallisey | ok well I think we're all set guys thanks for coming! | 17:18 |
| britthouser | thx! | 17:18 |
| rhallisey | #endmeeting kolla | 17:18 |
| inc0 | yup, thanks for input on upgrades | 17:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 17:18:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:18 |
| nihilifer | thx | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-09-16.31.html | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-09-16.31.txt | 17:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-09-16.31.log.html | 17:18 |
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| jokke_ | hi, anyone here for Log WG meeting? | 20:00 |
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| jokke_ | #startmeeting log wg | 20:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 20:05:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:05 |
| jokke_ | #info meeting cancelled due to the lack of participation | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 20:06 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-12-09-20.05.html | 20:06 |
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