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| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance Drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 8 14:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | yoooooo! | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-drivers-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita, mclaren, dhellmann, jokke_ | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | just like last week, I have quite some lag in my connection today so, I'm sorry if it takes me a bit to reply | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | that said, we have a packed agenda for tody | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | let's get to it | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249950/4 This could do with some eyes on it (bunting) | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249950/4 This could do with some eyes on it (bunting) (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:01 | |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249950/4 | 14:02 |
| * flaper87 should have fixed the topic title | 14:02 | |
| flaper87 | sorry | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:02 |
| bunting | I also emailed the mailing list about that, telling nova about it. | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I think I took a look at it already, not sure if my comments synced | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | Have other drivers read through it already? | 14:02 |
| mclaren_ | I have | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | not yet | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: cool, comments? | 14:03 |
| mclaren_ | It would be nice to get someone from nova to have a quick look, although that needn't be a blocker | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | ok, what about we get those comments and sync back next week | 14:03 |
| mclaren_ | I think it's good. Needs buy in from other services for it to be put to use | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | that way rosmaita and nikhil_k can take a look at it | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | btw, as ageneral rule, it'd be awesome if all drivers could go through the agenda before the meeting so that we have already some knowledge about the specs we'll discuss | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | this is not a complain, btw | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | it is a good suggestion though | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | just something I normally do for this and other meetings and it's worked well for me | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | hey, sorry I am a bit late. I was out and met some friends on way back. | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | #topic Swift driver re-authentication spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248681 | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Swift driver re-authentication spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248681 (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:05 | |
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| flaper87 | I assume that's you, mfedosin | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | that's the second part of the trusts spec | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | or better, that's the glance-store part of it | 14:06 |
| ativelkov | mfedosin is on PTO today, he'll be back next week | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: ah right, he mentioned that. Thanks for the reminder | 14:06 |
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| flaper87 | I know we're heads down on image process but these specs won't take much time to review and provide feedback too | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | to* | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | so if we have trust we cannot use that towards swift? | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | I think this spec would be nice to have as it's a follow-up on the trusts one | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: we can and that's the plan, AFAIK | 14:08 |
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| flaper87 | we just asked to split this into 2 specs because this part belongs to glance-store | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | and it depends on the glance one | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | I'll create a list of specs prio so we can focus on reviewing those | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | of course , you can contribute to that list | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | would be great if spec actually mentioned that :P | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | I've seen more specs coming up now and we need to start focusing on few of them | 14:09 |
| nikhil | agreed | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: it does, it mentions the trust id in several parts | 14:09 |
| nikhil | it's quite unclear on what the eventual goal is | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: oh, you mean the dependency | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | lets comment on the spec :D | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | The glance one mentioned there would be a specific spec for glance_sotre | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | this one doesn't have the reverse reference | 14:10 |
| nikhil | hmm, I did not find in the problem statement. trusts seems to be mentioned in other places | 14:10 |
| nikhil | it does have a ref | 14:11 |
| nikhil | look at line 218 | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | right but I meant the reference in the problem statement mentioning why this spec is needed and how it depends /elates to the one in glance | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | ok, lets put all this on that spec | 14:12 |
| nikhil | agreed, that's needed | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | I'm sure mike will address all this comments as soon as he is back | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | and if he does it during his PTO, I'll take his place wherever he is and let him take mine as being on PTO would be super cool now :P | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | anyway, let's move on | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | #topic mage import refactor: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/ | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mage import refactor: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/ (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:13 | |
| flaper87 | There have been updates but | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | today, I believe what we want to discuss is the /v2/bikeshed and /ve/images/{id}/bikeshed thing | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | s/ve/v2/ | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | I expressed my opinion on the spec | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | and Stuart has donde the same | 14:13 |
| mclaren_ | can I say one thing? | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | done* | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: NO! | 14:14 |
| * flaper87 ducks | 14:14 | |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: of course | 14:14 |
| mclaren_ | heh | 14:14 |
| mclaren_ | Right now I don't really have a solid proposal for an API for the non-integrated-with-image case | 14:14 |
| mclaren_ | More just some thoughts and observations | 14:14 |
| mclaren_ | that's it really | 14:15 |
| mclaren_ | I do agree with Brian | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | ok, so the /v2/bikeshed is a brainstorm | 14:15 |
| mclaren_ | well it achieves a specific end | 14:16 |
| mclaren_ | that I am interested in | 14:16 |
| mclaren_ | I'm going to cut and paste ... | 14:16 |
| mclaren_ | Divide your application into distinct features with as little overlap in functionality as possible. The important factor is minimization of interaction points to achieve high cohesion and low coupling. | 14:16 |
| mclaren_ | I think doing that has practical benefits | 14:16 |
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| flaper87 | my current opinion is that we shouldn't have it as a separate resource as I mentioned on the spec. In the worst case scenario, we can just add it later rather than doing it now | 14:17 |
| mclaren_ | I agree with Brian that we can make a start on other things, eg the Swift case, and let this percolate for a while | 14:17 |
| nikhil | yeah, agree | 14:17 |
| nikhil | if we(glance) are at this point where the resource is a problem | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | I do agree with that statement but I disagree on the bikshed being a separate functionality. This is where, I believe, our POV differ w.r.t the bikeshed thing | 14:18 |
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| nikhil | I am of opinion that we should leave things be and add a discovery API instead | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | i think the key issue is, is there any reason why an end-user should manipulate the bikeshed? | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | if not, no need to expose it | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: ++ | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | but i think we can get separation of concerns behind the scenes | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | right, my opinion is that users shouldn't | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | exactly my point | 14:19 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: not right away | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | while it might make our job initially easier but is it right tihng to do for user? | 14:19 |
| nikhil | jokke_: ditto | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: elaborate? | 14:19 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: I assume that we are all of opinion at this point | 14:20 |
| mclaren_ | are we saying that the bikeshed isn't visible to the user at all? | 14:20 |
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| nikhil | that the bikeshed won't be used to store immutable entities | 14:20 |
| nikhil | basically the input to bikeshed can be changed later | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: not as a resource. The endpoint under images is so that data can be uploaded to it | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: +1 no immutable entities in bikeshed | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 14:21 |
| nikhil | from a user experience POV it would help to overwrite on the bikeshed to make multiple failed attempts successful | 14:21 |
| nikhil | so, that is a distributed transation issue | 14:21 |
| nikhil | either we way 1 bikeshed per image record | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | I just don't want to have yet another public resource being added t oglance in Mitaka | 14:21 |
| nikhil | or a "single phase" write to bikeshed to enable import | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | and I don't think we need it for now | 14:21 |
| mclaren_ | can I be honest? | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | quick question: doug indicated on an earlier patch set that there's no prob requiring a user to delete the Image record upon failure | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: I see no reason why we couldn't allow user to PUT again to /v2/images/{ID}/bikeshed before calling the import (either initially when noticing failed upload or after first import try has failed) | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | so no need for retries | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: you always are :D | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: that's one of the goals, yes | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: that's what i'm asking, do we want to allow that or just keep it simple? | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | at least I remember us talking about this | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: for our users it would be the right thing to do | 14:23 |
| nikhil | mclaren_: was saying something | 14:23 |
| nikhil | ? | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | I think he's writing | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiit for it | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | I don't know if it's viable goal initially when we are doing this, but I think we should keep it in mind when we desing this | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: i wonder, because the "hard part" for auser is creating the import call | 14:24 |
| mclaren_ | nope, trying to figure out how honest I should be :-) | 14:24 |
| nikhil | :D | 14:24 |
| nikhil | awesome | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | hahahaha | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | mclaren_: +1 for honesty | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: just be blunt | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | shoot | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | we can take it | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | (depending on what you say) | 14:24 |
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| jokke_ | mclaren_: totally ... there's never too big toes to step on | 14:24 |
| mclaren_ | tbh, I need to think about the bikeshed not being visible to users, I hadn't expected that | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: what do you mean by "not visible" ? | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: why would it be the hard part? | 14:25 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: rofl | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: most of the configuration is in there | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | we've 5mins left and other items on the agenda | 14:26 |
| nikhil | mclaren_: some more elaboration would be awesome | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | Can I count on you guys going through them? | 14:26 |
| nikhil | I am liking this direction | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:26 |
| mclaren_ | flaper87: you can't 'see' it (it's size/checksum) as a user | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | which bring's my next question about this spec ... do we want separate spec for our client changes? I've not seen a single word around that yet | 14:26 |
| nikhil | flaper87: ack | 14:26 |
| mclaren_ | (I think that's what you meant above) | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: mmh, not sure I follow, tbh | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will put up a new patch set, i want to get examples of vhd upload resulting in OVA in Glance (as done at rackspace) and also ova -> qcow2 as outlined on the ova conversion spec | 14:27 |
| nikhil | flaper87: etherpad of trello of specs that require earlier feedback | 14:27 |
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| nikhil | or* | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | the bikeshed was never meant to be an external resource for users to consume | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: working on that as we speak | 14:27 |
| mclaren_ | flaper87: so as you envision it a user only knows about an uploaded bikeshed through what - image state? | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: wait for my next comment, I'm creating the requied bugs to break this down and start working on the spec | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: ok | 14:27 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: "want to get examples of vhd upload resulting in OVA in Glance"<-like | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | mclaren_: right, image state | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | all communication via the Image object | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: how did you envision this? As far as I know, this is what we've been discussing since before the summit | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | mclaren_: the swift-local would allow "sort of" bikeshed visibility | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | honest question | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | since the blob is in the user's object store account | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | just want to makes ure we're on the same page | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | make sure* | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | ok, 1min left | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | lets move to our channel and or comment on the spec | 14:29 |
| mclaren_ | we can discuss after the meeting? What do folks think of making a start on the Swift case? | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | thanks folks! | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | mclaren_: thanks for being critical on the proposal. It's super useful | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | mclaren_: let's discuss in glance channel | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
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| rosmaita | flaper87: +! | 14:30 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 8 14:30:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-12-08-14.00.html | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-12-08-14.00.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-12-08-14.00.log.html | 14:30 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 8 15:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
| mfisch | hola | 15:00 |
| mwhahaha | hi2u | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #link agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20151208 | 15:00 |
| iurygregory | hello o/ | 15:00 |
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| EmilienM | o/ | 15:00 |
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| degorenko | hey o/ | 15:00 |
| skolekonov_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| Vinsh | 0_o | 15:00 |
| clayton | o/ | 15:00 |
| mkarpin | o/ | 15:00 |
| chem | o/ | 15:00 |
| mentat | o/ | 15:01 |
| _ody | o/ | 15:01 |
| _ody | (yawn) | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | let's start by a couple of announcements! | 15:01 |
| iurygregory | \o/ | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | this blueprint has been accepted: Enhance inifile option deprecations | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/puppet-openstack-specs/specs/mitaka/config-deprecation-for-inifile-provider.html | 15:01 |
| richm | hello | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | clayton: thanks for this work! | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | another good news for the group, Sofer is now part of puppet-keystone core team! Well done :-) | 15:02 |
| clayton | Congrats :) | 15:02 |
| xarses | o/ | 15:02 |
| chem | thanks :) | 15:02 |
| iurygregory | congrats chem | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | let's move | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | #topic using reno for release note management | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "using reno for release note management (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:03 | |
| EmilienM | I created this topic for discussion | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | there is a project in OpenStack that is called "reno" and becomes the official way to write release notes" | 15:03 |
| richm | chem: ++ | 15:03 |
| iurygregory | nice | 15:03 |
| richm | RNaaS? | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | I spent some time looking at it | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | richm: lol | 15:04 |
| iurygregory | hasuhasuahsu | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | I see is 3 possibilities | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | 1/ we use reno and enforce each contributions (bugfix, feature, etc) to also edit a release note YAML file | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | 2/ we use reno and the release note YAML file can be updated later (by the contributor or someone else) | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | 3/ we don't use reno and continue to manually write release notes | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | the #1 will implies a lot of -1 at the beginning because people would not know they have to do it | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | the 3/ is not really what is doing other OpenStack projects | 15:06 |
| clayton | I'd vote for 1, with 2 as needed to fix things | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | I propose we go to 2/ with good documentation so people can start contributing themselves | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | clayton: if we go for 1/, I thought some people would get frustrated to have -1 for something they did not have to care before | 15:06 |
| richm | +1 | 15:06 |
| iurygregory | i ike 1 but 2 is good | 15:06 |
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| clayton | EmilienM: I'm also ok with starting with 2 and the goal being 1 over time | 15:07 |
| xarses | 2 seems good | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | note: using reno is an heavy work too, and the automation is not magic, we need to write ONE yaml per bug, per feature, per useful thing in release note. | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: iiuc ^ | 15:07 |
| clayton | I think it will probably take some practice to know what really needs release notes. Not every change will | 15:07 |
| mwhahaha | that sounds awful | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | clayton: yeah, the goal would be 1/ | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: what is awful? | 15:08 |
| mwhahaha | the yaml thing | 15:08 |
| xarses | I haven't looked at reno, but it seems like it should pull some of this out automatically out of well made commit messages | 15:08 |
| clayton | if you work on puppet and you're not comfortable with yaml, you may have other issues :) | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | example: https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/master/releasenotes/notes | 15:08 |
| mwhahaha | no the fact you have to create one for every bug, etc | 15:08 |
| clayton | xarses the goal with reno was to have it be outside of commit messages, so that they can change later | 15:08 |
| mwhahaha | not yaml itself | 15:08 |
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| mwhahaha | i'd assume it'd also be per puppet module as well | 15:09 |
| xarses | clayton: thats, fine but maybe it should start there. some commit hook or something | 15:09 |
| mwhahaha | so our updates of all the modules would result in a similar number of yamls | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | I think, and that's my proposal: we should start looking in Mitaka for using it in one or two modules | 15:09 |
| clayton | but that if you cherry-pick a change that includes a release note, that gets backported also | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | doing 2/ method | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | and see | 15:09 |
| clayton | EmilienM: I think doing it for a limited number of modules is probably a good way to start | 15:09 |
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| mwhahaha | i don't think release notes should be part of the change itself, it would be better to parse the git log and add it after the fact | 15:09 |
| _ody | wow really a new yaml file for every commit. That is indeed horrible. | 15:09 |
| iurygregory | it will be hard but we can do o/ | 15:10 |
| clayton | if we have good success there, we can move to #1 | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | _ody: hence the "heavy work" I was saying | 15:10 |
| iurygregory | agree with clayton for a limited number of modules | 15:10 |
| clayton | _ody: no, one file for anything that needs to be in release notes | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | _ody: BTW, when I prepared stable/liberty, I spent 3 days reading commit messages | 15:10 |
| mfisch | do other projects do a note on every commit? | 15:10 |
| clayton | lots of changes won't be mentioned in release notes. | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: look the example on nova | 15:10 |
| clayton | the idea is that this is supposed to be a summary, not a copy of the commit log. | 15:10 |
| mwhahaha | would it be better to start enforcing a must have a bug/blueprint per change? | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | it's very new so I think the adoption is not 100% here | 15:11 |
| _ody | EmilienM: Which is why I prefer 1 over 2. Spread the load. | 15:11 |
| ntpttr | Cinder is just starting to adopt it | 15:11 |
| mwhahaha | so we could parse that out to create the release notes | 15:11 |
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| EmilienM | _ody: 1/ is the final goal, sure. But we don't want to frustrate our contributors. We need a smooth transition | 15:11 |
| _ody | clayton: How do we judge what is and isn't worthy of a release note? Just guess until we get the hang of it? | 15:12 |
| mfisch | up to reviewers? | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | yes | 15:12 |
| clayton | _ody: I think so, we'll just have to develop an eye for it, and I suspect before releases we'd have a patch (or several) to fix the release notes where they don't make sense | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | we are developpers, we know when we fix a bug or add a feature, isn't? | 15:12 |
| clayton | but that's still better than spending 3 days reading lots and then still missing things | 15:12 |
| clayton | s/lots/logs/ | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | clayton: ++ | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | so I see we have different opinions here | 15:13 |
| iurygregory | +1 | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | I would follow-up on the mailing-list | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | and involve Doug who is not here I guess ( dhellmann ) | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | maybe he has some thoughts | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | I'll summarize thoughts here | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | feel free to participate to the thread :-) | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | we definitly need to find a way to maintain release notes | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | that's a lot of time | 15:14 |
| _ody | any chance the reno project provides a commit hook? | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | and automation will help us to scale the number of our modules | 15:15 |
| xarses | _ody: +1 | 15:15 |
| xarses | I was asking that too | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | _ody: to do what? | 15:15 |
| xarses | To me, thats the only way to make it bearable | 15:15 |
| xarses | populate both the commit message and the yaml at the same time | 15:15 |
| _ody | Seems pretty straight forward to write the yaml on commit just like "git review" does with change-id. | 15:16 |
| clayton | I do not think the commit message and the release note should have the same content. they have different audiences. | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | clayton is right | 15:16 |
| degorenko | +1 | 15:16 |
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| EmilienM | release notes are read by users/operators also | 15:16 |
| clayton | keep in mind here that the alternative right now is emilien continuing to do all of it. | 15:16 |
| xarses | yes, but they can be writen at the same time | 15:16 |
| clayton | there is nothing stopping you from doing them at the same time, in fact that's the preferred workflow | 15:17 |
| clayton | that the release note yaml file be in the same commit that it describes | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | the content of the commit message & the release note can be different, that's the point of clayton iiuc | 15:17 |
| ntpttr | as someone who recently started contributing, I don't mind writing release notes for patches that would need them tbh | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | ntpttr: good feedback | 15:18 |
| mfisch | I think most changes would need a release note | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | so if you don't mind, I'll follow a discussion on our mailing list, with a summary of our meeting thoughts | 15:18 |
| mfisch | new fields, deprecations, removals | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | probably using cross project tag | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | [all] I mean | 15:19 |
| mfisch | good idea | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | I feel like we're not alone in this case | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | before I end the topic, anyone has more thoughts? | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | oki | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | #topic open discussion / bugs-review triage | 15:20 |
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| EmilienM | like usual, feel free to ask for reviews | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | or raise an outstanding request/bug | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | we will be happy to help | 15:20 |
| mfisch | I'd like to discuss my ML topic from yesterday | 15:20 |
| chem | I have three long standing review | 15:20 |
| mfisch | openstackclient | 15:20 |
| chem | on keystone | 15:20 |
| mfisch | chem: you go 1st | 15:20 |
| chem | mfisch: thanks | 15:21 |
| chem | it's about specific domain conf | 15:21 |
| chem | they add feature, so no backward change | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to follow-up on mailing-list about reno | 15:21 |
| chem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202689/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219289/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238164/ | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | chem: where is release note? (joke) | 15:21 |
| iurygregory | lol | 15:22 |
| chem | they have been +1/+2 serveral time and rebase countless times | 15:22 |
| * _ody should have beaker bug fixes in soon | 15:22 | |
| _ody | They passed CI | 15:22 |
| chem | release what ? | 15:22 |
| chem | hehe | 15:22 |
| chem | _ody: a long time ago :) | 15:22 |
| mfisch | arg no commas in URLs even at the expense of grammar | 15:22 |
| clayton | mfisch you need a better irc client :) | 15:22 |
| _ody | chem: I meant my patches. ;) | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: stop using windows! | 15:23 |
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| iurygregory | kkkkkk | 15:23 |
| xarses | EmilienM: +1 | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | chem: thanks for adding the patches in our radar | 15:23 |
| chem | that's it for me :) please help me to get rid of thoses rebases | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | that's a lot of LOC, I guess it needs more time to review it :-) | 15:23 |
| iurygregory | i'll try to review chem o/ | 15:24 |
| chem | thanks | 15:24 |
| ntpttr | I wouldn't mind getting some eyes on this multiple store configuration in Glance once I go and fix the merge conflict - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242718/ some feedback on if this is the correct way to deprecate these options while moving them to api.pp would be appreciated | 15:24 |
| ntpttr | I can go ahead and fix the merge conflict after this meeting | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: IMHO, we should just use ensure_resource everywhere for this case | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | so the resource can be multiple times in the catalog | 15:25 |
| clayton | EmilienM: what if I want to set package_ensure to something other than the default? I have to set it everywhere? | 15:26 |
| mfisch | I think ensure_packages() in openstackclient class and everyone else just includes it | 15:26 |
| clayton | that works for me. | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | clayton: in that case we need the conditional and use ::openstacklib | 15:26 |
| iurygregory | +1 | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | yeah, +1 | 15:26 |
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| mfisch | conditionally include it like keystone does now? | 15:27 |
| clayton | I don't think we should be managing the resource in 25 different places | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | clayton: did you have time to start a PoC of your blueprint? | 15:27 |
| clayton | they should just include ::openstacklib::openstackclient | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | clayton: yes, +1 with that | 15:27 |
| mfisch | so the vote is to conditionally include it like https://github.com/openstack/puppet-keystone/blob/master/manifests/client.pp#L20-L26 | 15:27 |
| mfisch | or just include it bare | 15:27 |
| clayton | No, I've been too busy with docker, docker, docker. | 15:27 |
| clayton | mfisch: bare | 15:28 |
| clayton | no conditional | 15:28 |
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| mfisch | lol ok I agree | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | bare looks fine | 15:28 |
| mfisch | hah | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | I haven't found time to start looking at multi node jobs | 15:28 |
| mfisch | bare means that everyone will need to use hiera to control openstack client | 15:28 |
| mfisch | but its cleaner | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: what is the status of having Fuel CI gating our modules? | 15:29 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, it is already implemented :) | 15:29 |
| clayton | mfisch: I'm +1 on that for now | 15:29 |
| mfisch | clayton: oh sorry, I misunderstood you when you said "no conditional" I read it as "no, conditional"... I will add it bare | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: I mean, having Fuel jobs in our CI | 15:30 |
| clayton | we can talk about other approaches later if we actually run into problems with that approach | 15:30 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, oh, for our modules | 15:30 |
| mfisch | need a review on the main fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254502/ | 15:30 |
| degorenko | i think it's not started yet | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: ok | 15:30 |
| xarses | EmilienM: I'll add a topic to the Fuel IRC meeting for it | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | I need review on https://review.openstack.org/252562 and final +A on https://review.openstack.org/252026 https://review.openstack.org/252003 | 15:31 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, i will raise this question in our fuel weekly meeting | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | degorenko, xarses: thx guys | 15:31 |
| degorenko | xarses, go 1st :) | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | clayton: is it good time to discuss about keystone/eventlet drop ? | 15:31 |
| clayton | sure | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | I think the first question to me is: | 15:32 |
| clayton | that's related to work I started yesterday :) | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | should we still allow people to deploy eventlet in our mitaka cycle? | 15:32 |
| degorenko | we have one old patch: can you guys review it please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220224/ | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | or follow keystone and drop it | 15:32 |
| clayton | I don't think that's actually the right question | 15:32 |
| clayton | EmilienM: what you're calling "eventlet" is actually "the way the distro packaged it" | 15:32 |
| clayton | which may or may not be eventlet, especially if eventlet is dropped | 15:32 |
| clayton | running service keystone start might start it under uwsgi, or nginx, or something completely different | 15:33 |
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| EmilienM | clayton: ok | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | clayton: so I guess we don't have much to change then | 15:34 |
| clayton | I'd be willing to rework the existing "eventlet" and apache support to both run under the hooks model I did for designate, heat and nova (under review) | 15:35 |
| EmilienM | clayton: nice | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | anything else for today? | 15:36 |
| mfisch | we should consider canceling the meeting xmas week | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: or invite santa claus | 15:37 |
| mfisch | and even the week after perhaps | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | santa cloud? | 15:37 |
| degorenko | :D | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | I'll not cancel it but rather invite Santa Cloud | 15:37 |
| mfisch | santa is still working on keystone v3 | 15:38 |
| iurygregory | hsaushaush good idea | 15:38 |
| clayton | action, emilien to dress up as santa and give out presents? | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | joking, ok let's cancel it | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | clayton: YEAH ! | 15:38 |
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| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to dress in Santa Claus for Christmas | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | have a good day folks! | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 8 15:38:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-12-08-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-12-08-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-12-08-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
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| ntpttr | thanks! | 15:38 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 8 16:00:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Kosmos)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
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| mugsie | #topic roll call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: Kosmos)" | 16:00 | |
| johnsom | I always jump in too quick... | 16:01 |
| mugsie | xgerman: dougwig courtesy ping | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | johnsom: isnt that how I ended up as ptl ? | 16:01 |
| mugsie | :D | 16:01 |
| xgerman | yoh | 16:01 |
| bharathm | O/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | Could be.... | 16:02 |
| dougwig | o/ | 16:02 |
| jokke_ | :P | 16:02 |
| dougwig | i think it's that his pubs have better beer. | 16:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 16:02 |
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| mugsie | dougwig: very definitly | 16:02 |
| mugsie | wow, I can not the english today | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Yeah, for these meetings I'm on coffee | 16:02 |
| dougwig | eta on some initial code? or suggestions on something that wouldn't step on your initial commit? | 16:02 |
| mugsie | eta - this week | 16:03 |
| mugsie | I was in meeting rooms the entire week last week | 16:03 |
| mugsie | :( | 16:03 |
| johnsom | I have been watching for it | 16:03 |
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| johnsom | meeting rooms == pubs | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | my boss was in town, and that was a massive time suck | 16:03 |
| mugsie | well, that too :) | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | but - intial albemic stuff would not go amiss | 16:04 |
| mugsie | I am not 100% up to date on that stuiff (we use sqla-migrate) | 16:04 |
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| mugsie | I might dump up the objects as a separate review today | 16:04 |
| johnsom | I have done some stuff with alembic, so if you want to ping me I might be able to help | 16:06 |
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| mugsie | I ended up going down a rabbithole with the objects (getting oslo.versionedobjects to validate UUIDs is a bigger problem than I thought) | 16:06 |
| mugsie | it turns out nova has things likle "fake_uuid" in their tests | 16:07 |
| mugsie | so turning on UUID validation breaks nova | 16:07 |
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| mugsie | johnsom: cool, I will ping you in the next day or so | 16:08 |
| mugsie | any other topics ? I am just getting confirmation of which room I am getting in Seatte before sending out the email for the mid cycle | 16:08 |
| mugsie | unfortunatly my boss is jet lagged / ignoring me (both are possible) | 16:09 |
| dougwig | johnsom, mugsie: i can also do the alembic bit. which of us is less over-subscribed? :) | 16:09 |
| mugsie | well, it ain't me :) | 16:09 |
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| johnsom | Probably you dougwig | 16:10 |
| johnsom | grin | 16:10 |
| mugsie | sure johnsom and xgerman have loads of people on their team :) | 16:11 |
| * mugsie ducks before xgerman throws anything | 16:11 | |
| xgerman | not true | 16:11 |
| dougwig | i'll do it. | 16:11 |
| mugsie | cool | 16:11 |
| * johnsom throws HOS systems at mugsie | 16:11 | |
| mugsie | I will split the objects out now, and add them as a single commit | 16:11 |
| mugsie | johnsom: sweet - I have been looking for one of these | 16:11 |
| johnsom | Sadly me too | 16:12 |
| xgerman | nah, Kiall has one… | 16:12 |
| xgerman | I hope you bring that with you to Seattle ;-) | 16:12 |
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| mugsie | OK, so any more topics before we let the pacific wake up fully? | 16:12 |
| johnsom | Anyway, so code this week. Two patches, alembic/db might need some help | 16:12 |
| mugsie | ++ | 16:12 |
| johnsom | Sounds good. Do we have a plan of goals for the mid-cycle? | 16:13 |
| xgerman | do we have an ether pad? | 16:13 |
| mugsie | nope.https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kosmos_2016_winter_midcycle_meetup | 16:14 |
| johnsom | grin | 16:14 |
| johnsom | I got in fast enough to know you just created that. | 16:14 |
| xgerman | great!! | 16:14 |
| mugsie | johnsom: ssshhh :P | 16:14 |
| * mugsie may have edited the URL of the designate one just in time | 16:15 | |
| mugsie | ideas in there please. Will send offical invite to the ML asap | 16:15 |
| mugsie | just waiting on barclac | 16:15 |
| mugsie | are we done? | 16:16 |
| mugsie | last chance | 16:16 |
| xgerman | well, you can always meet at the pub across the street — just saying... | 16:16 |
| xgerman | so send it out... | 16:16 |
| mugsie | true :) | 16:16 |
| mugsie | ok | 16:17 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 8 16:17:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-12-08-16.00.html | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-12-08-16.00.txt | 16:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-12-08-16.00.log.html | 16:17 |
| mugsie | talk to ya'll later | 16:17 |
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| xgerman | l8ter | 16:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 8 17:01:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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| bobh | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | Hi Tackers -- who is here ? | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: hi there! | 17:01 |
| brucet | brucet | 17:01 |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sripriya | hi | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | lets start then... | 17:02 |
| u_kozat | I am here also | 17:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | morning everyone! | 17:02 |
| sridhar_ram | ... noon, or evening (depending on tz) | 17:03 |
| tbh | morning sridhar_ram | 17:03 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 17:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Dec_8.2C_2015 | 17:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 17:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | We now have tacker packages in pypi... | 17:04 |
| vishwanathj | cool | 17:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/tacker/0.1.0 | 17:04 |
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| sripriya | nice | 17:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/tacker-horizon/0.1.0 | 17:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-tackerclient/0.1.0 | 17:04 |
| sridhar_ram | this is based of kilo release | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | we finally got everything in place to make releases.. | 17:05 |
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| s3wong | hello | 17:06 |
| sridhar_ram | Will make a liberty release as well sometime soon.. | 17:06 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram:will this be reflected in the tacker launch page also? | 17:06 |
| sridhar_ram | .. we can decide on a time, perhaps mid-Dec ? | 17:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: not sure, if launchpad will pick up automatically...need to check | 17:07 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: ok thanks | 17:07 |
| sridhar_ram | Folks - if you've any pending cherry picks to stable/liberty please do it now! | 17:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | we should decide on our release strategy .. | 17:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | our devstack installers can potentially use pypi based tackerclient and tacker-horizon for dependencies moving forward.. | 17:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | any thoughts / suggestions on pypi / pkg releases ? | 17:10 |
| vishwanathj | what do other projects do? like monasca, sfc | 17:10 |
| s3wong | networking-sfc hasn't been released yet | 17:11 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: some projects, particularly library projects like tosca-parser, make continuous releases .. every 5-6 weeks | 17:11 |
| vishwanathj | trying to see if we there is a precedent and can follow best practices | 17:11 |
| natarajk | sridhar_ram: I thought pypi jobs can be scheduled automatically along with releases | 17:11 |
| sridhar_ram | "client" projects should also make regular releases... | 17:11 |
| s3wong | but once you are tagged release: independent, you can release whenever and under whatever frequency as you want | 17:12 |
| sridhar_ram | natarajk: we are not yet in governance, so release team won't do it for us.. we are on our own | 17:12 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: we can do the same for us... | 17:13 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yep | 17:13 |
| sridhar_ram | bottomline ... we need to move to regular client & horizon releases and tacker repo need to pull them using requirements.txt | 17:13 |
| s3wong | we are NOT bounded by the half-year release cycle; even if we make it to big tent, as long as we are release:independent | 17:14 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: true | 17:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | versioning wise 0.1.0 == kilo, 0.2.0 == liberty, 0.3.0 == mitaka .. | 17:14 |
| sridhar_ram | .. for liberty we might do follow 0.2.1 with things like sfc | 17:15 |
| sridhar_ram | *follow-on | 17:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on.. we can talk more on release in future mtgs | 17:15 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Mitaka Midcycle Plans | 17:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | with many big ticket items in flight - like sfc, enhanced vnf placement, tosca-parser, auto-resource - I thought we shd consider meeting face 2 face | 17:16 |
| sridhar_ram | for a quick poll - how many of you would be interested in attending ? | 17:16 |
| santoshk | sridhar_ram +1 | 17:17 |
| natarajk | +1 | 17:17 |
| sripriya | +1 | 17:17 |
| bobh | +1 | 17:17 |
| u_kozat | +1 | 17:17 |
| vishwanathj | +1 | 17:17 |
| s3wong | +1 | 17:17 |
| tbh | +1 | 17:17 |
| brucet | +1 | 17:17 |
| sridhar_ram | nice ... | 17:17 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll send a doodle pool for some possible dates .. | 17:18 |
| sridhar_ram | .. tentatively, would mid- to- 2nd half of Jan work for most of you ? | 17:18 |
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| bobh | yes | 17:19 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: fine with me | 17:19 |
| santoshk | +1 | 17:19 |
| s3wong | sounds fine --- at least for now :-) | 17:19 |
| sridhar_ram | we can take this to finalize in an ML thread.. | 17:19 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes | 17:19 |
| u_kozat | I will be traveling Jan 9-16 | 17:20 |
| bobh | +1 | 17:20 |
| sridhar_ram | we need to find a way for remote attendance, without hampering the benefit of a F2F... | 17:20 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: you would need a remote dial-in ... ? | 17:21 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yeah | 17:21 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, I need some way to connect | 17:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | alright.. we can decide the date/time/logistics outside this mtg. | 17:22 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on... | 17:22 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Mitaka Blueprint Updates | 17:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Enhanced VNF Placement (EVP) | 17:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: and gongysh from China has come forward to get this going. I know tbh is also interested in contributing.. | 17:23 |
| sridhar_ram | I'm planning to host a one time adhoc / china / india friendly irc meeting on this topic.. | 17:24 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes I want to be part of this BP | 17:24 |
| sridhar_ram | it is 1am in Beijing :( | 17:24 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: sure | 17:24 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, is it possible to have alternate timings each week | 17:25 |
| tbh | like most of the other openstack projects follow to accommodate all contributors? | 17:25 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: absolutely.. lets starts with few adhoc meetings and see how it goes | 17:26 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure | 17:26 |
| sridhar_ram | anyone here interested to discuss further on EVP ? | 17:26 |
| sridhar_ram | btw EVP == numa topology awareness + cpu-pinning + pci-passthry + sr-iov... | 17:27 |
| sridhar_ram | please watchout for a mtg invite and plan to attend.. | 17:28 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on... | 17:28 |
| brucet_ | OK. brucet +1 | 17:28 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet_: sure, bruce | 17:28 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic TOSCA parser updates | 17:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: any quick updates from your side ? | 17:28 |
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| bobh | I submitted a WIP patchset for the tosca-parser changes and created the BPs for heat-translator and tacker (I think - need to check that one) | 17:29 |
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| bobh | The next big hurdle is the object mappings from TOSCA NFV -> Heat in heat-translator | 17:29 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: link ? | 17:29 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: checking | 17:30 |
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| bobh | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/tosca-parser-integration | 17:30 |
| bobh | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat-translator/+spec/tosca-nfv-support | 17:31 |
| bobh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253689/ | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: cool.. this actually big deal, this is probably the first and only implementation of tosca-nfv profile (AFAIK) | 17:32 |
| bobh | There needs to be some discussion around the specific object mappings to I'll start that conversation this week - maybe an etherpad is the best place for that | 17:32 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: probably - it's not completely implementable in it's current form | 17:32 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: etherpad is a good idea.. | 17:32 |
| bobh | Looking at the NFV spec has raised some questions in my mind about the Simple TOSCA spec | 17:33 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: understood, we have some mindful folks in tosca-nfv stds group (that's includes me) to incorporate our findings | 17:33 |
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| bobh | like why the basic Network object has IP addresses in it | 17:33 |
| bobh | so it might end up triggering additional changes in the base spec if we do it right | 17:33 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I see.. | 17:34 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: one thing, you might already know .. tosca-nfv profile is not a standalone spec as it stands. It build on top of tosca-simple profile namespace | 17:34 |
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| bobh | we can discuss in the etherpad and find the right solution - for now anyway | 17:34 |
| bobh | right - but for example they define the "VirtualLink" as derived from Root not derived from tosca.nodes.network.Network | 17:35 |
| sridhar_ram | sure, please send a ML email when you get the etherpad to going | 17:35 |
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| bobh | will do | 17:35 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: that VL reference is weird.. will take a look | 17:35 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on... | 17:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Multi-Site | 17:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: please take over.. | 17:36 |
| vishwanathj | are multi-site and multi-vim synonymous ? | 17:37 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: sure, multisite vim support v2 is out for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249085/ | 17:37 |
| sripriya | vishwanathj: IMHO no | 17:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: there was bit of confusion, as multi-vim for some folks means different types of VIMs like openstack, vmware, aws | 17:38 |
| vishwanathj | ok, my understanding as well was that they were not the same | 17:38 |
| sripriya | vishwanathj: multi-VIM refers to types of VIMs (OpenStack, VMware, AWS, etc) where as multi-site ( multiple installations of same VIM) as i understand | 17:38 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: one thing i wanted to discuss here was about the auto network creation in case of multisite scenario | 17:39 |
| vishwanathj | sridhar_ram, sripriya, thanks for the explanation | 17:39 |
| brucet | OK. Since this is multi site, did you see my comments about the potential use of Heat multi cloud? | 17:39 |
| brucet | for this feature? | 17:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | brucet: my understand is that feature is still under development ? | 17:40 |
| sripriya | brucet: heat mutlicloud is still a WIP right? | 17:41 |
| sripriya | *multi | 17:41 |
| brucet | The point is that you could incorporate a prive version of it into Tacker | 17:41 |
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| brucet | It assumes a standalone version of Heat | 17:41 |
| brucet | So you could incorporate that standalone versiojn of Heat in Tacker | 17:41 |
| brucet | When the feature is fully released, you could use the public version. | 17:42 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: that puts a dependency for operators to use this bleeding edge openstack feature before someone can use Tacker's multi-site | 17:42 |
| brucet | Much easier than developing something new | 17:42 |
| brucet | Nope | 17:43 |
| brucet | The feature is extremely simple | 17:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | brucet: the scope of this spec is even basic than that.. | 17:44 |
| sripriya | brucet: i don't see any spec for the blueprint or i may be missing it. moreover it uses keystone federation (as the bp states) which needs some real effort to get it right | 17:44 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: see https://answers.launchpad.net/tacker/+question/276717 | 17:44 |
| brucet | If you find bugs in the feature, you can fix them in your standalone version of Heat and fold them into the version under development | 17:44 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: we need to support Tacker, sometime even on existing / operational OpenStack instances | 17:45 |
| brucet | Standalone Heat in Tacker | 17:45 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: we CANNOT ask the operators to re-work their deployment at this point | 17:45 |
| brucet | Works with existing OpenStack deployments | 17:45 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: have said that, we shd consider this (multi-cloud) and perhaps other things like keystone federation in follow on iterations of multi-site | 17:46 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: but it is not available now.. lets start with something that is available now and iterate | 17:46 |
| brucet | But you understand my point about standalone Heat? | 17:46 |
| brucet | I think a beta version is available now. | 17:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | brucet: can you explainn further on that ? | 17:47 |
| brucet | Heat can be deployed as a standalone subsystem | 17:47 |
| brucet | The multi cloud feature works with a stand alone Heat deployment | 17:48 |
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| brucet | You use the standalone Heat to instantiate stacks in other OpenStack clouds | 17:48 |
| brucet | The standalone Heat variant could be incorporated in Tacker | 17:48 |
| sripriya | brucet: this is the multi-region heat feature right? | 17:49 |
| brucet | Separate from Heat in OpenStack that Tacker is running on | 17:49 |
| brucet | Actually multi cloud | 17:49 |
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| brucet | I sent a link to the blueprint in my comment | 17:49 |
| sripriya | where standalone heat can instantiate stacks in remote stacks and a single identity service is running across all sites | 17:50 |
| brucet | Seems extremely simple | 17:50 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: I see. Standalone Heat talks to remote heat-engines ? or does it talk directly to remote nova/neutron ? | 17:50 |
| brucet | Remote heat engines | 17:50 |
| brucet | Remote heat engines instaniate stacks on remote OpenStack instances. | 17:50 |
| brucet | The new multi cloud feature is based on multi region | 17:51 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: so you propose tacker --> standalone-heat --- > { remote-heat-engine-1, remote-heat-engine-2, .. } | 17:51 |
| sripriya | brucet: with the requirement of keystone federation | 17:51 |
| brucet | sridar: yes | 17:52 |
| brucet | I think the new multi cloud fearture does not require keystone federation | 17:53 |
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| brucet | In any case, I think its worth looking into | 17:53 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: yes, that is an interesting feature.. | 17:54 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: however lets keep in mind. that higher order tacker user facing requirement here is .. target VIMs need to be exposed to NFV / VNF Orchestrators. | 17:54 |
| sridhar_ram | brucet: .. apart from mult-site support | 17:54 |
| sridhar_ram | lets continue the discussion in the spec.. | 17:54 |
| brucet | OK | 17:55 |
| sripriya | brucet: not sure,as the BP says "Extend our existing multi-region remote stacks to multi-cloud, so that a remote stack can be created on a separate cloud with its own Keystone, provided that Keystone federation is supported between clouds." | 17:55 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: can give a quick update from your side ? | 17:55 |
| * sridhar_ram 5 mins mark | 17:55 | |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Automatic Resource Creation | 17:55 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, yeah, we have decided to create network resources on vnf-create tim | 17:55 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, but I need some clarity on declaration of image details in TOSCA template | 17:56 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, if we use artifacts syntax, you mentioned in the comments | 17:56 |
| sripriya | tbh: on the create network part, it will be good to understand its requirement in multisite use case | 17:56 |
| tbh | then are we not going to support vm_image ? | 17:57 |
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| tbh | sripriya, sure, I will look into that direction | 17:57 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: no, we should support both for time being.. | 17:57 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: leave your question in your spec.. I'll respond | 17:58 |
| sripriya | tbh: thanks, you can provide your suggestions on the multisite spec as well | 17:58 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, but have concerns with artifacts syantax | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | tacker team - pllease review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250291/ | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | we need to land this, if possible, earlier in the Mitaka cycle | 17:59 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure will update in the comments | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: unfortunately we are out of time for today... | 17:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets continue in the gerrit | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 17:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | folks - watch out for an email on EVP mtg and plan to attend! | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | that's it for today... | 18:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:00 |
| vishwanathj | bye | 18:00 |
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| sripriya | thanks bye | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| brucet | bye | 18:00 |
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