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| acabot_ | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 14:01:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
| acabot_ | hi | 14:01 |
| vincentfrancoise | hi | 14:01 |
| brunograz | hi | 14:01 |
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| tpeoples | hi, may be slow to respond during this, on another call right now | 14:01 |
| jed56 | hi | 14:02 |
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| vmahe_ | hi | 14:02 |
| sballe | o/ | 14:02 |
| acabot_ | our agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#12.2F2.2F2015 | 14:03 |
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| acabot_ | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 14:04 |
| acabot_ | mid cycle meetup, we are still waiting for updates from jwcroppe | 14:04 |
| sballe | junjie: is joining as well | 14:04 |
| junjie | yes | 14:04 |
| acabot_ | he will give us updates next week | 14:04 |
| sballe | ok | 14:05 |
| edleafe | jwcroppe is traveling today, unfortunately | 14:05 |
| acabot_ | #action jwcroppe details for mid cycle meetup in Austin | 14:05 |
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| acabot_ | I added versionning on launchpad and set target release for current BPs | 14:05 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:05 |
| acabot_ | mitaka-1 is planned for today :-) | 14:06 |
| jed56 | +1 | 14:06 |
| sballe | lol | 14:06 |
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| acabot_ | so I suggest to merge all stable code and doc by end of week and then tag the version as mitaka-1 | 14:06 |
| acabot_ | on friday | 14:06 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:06 |
| tpeoples | sounds good | 14:07 |
| vmahe_ | +1 | 14:07 |
| vincentfrancoise | +1 | 14:07 |
| jed56 | +2 | 14:07 |
| acabot_ | #action acabot tag the version as mitaka-1 on friday | 14:07 |
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| acabot_ | I also started to reference all etherpads we use | 14:08 |
| acabot_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-etherpads | 14:08 |
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| acabot_ | so please add yours as I may have missed some | 14:08 |
| acabot_ | any other announcement ? | 14:08 |
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| cdupont | Hello everybody | 14:09 |
| acabot_ | #topic Review Action Items | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:10 | |
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| acabot_ | current work is related to documentation, vmahe_ could you give us an update ? | 14:11 |
| vmahe_ | yes | 14:11 |
| vmahe_ | I have pushed a new patch-set for glossary which takes into account many comments | 14:12 |
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| vmahe_ | but not all of them because some of them were open questions and more related to the future of Watcher | 14:12 |
| vmahe_ | today the glossary explains the concepts and words for the current version of Watcher | 14:12 |
| sballe | vmahe_: I will review it before Friday EOD | 14:12 |
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| tpeoples | vmahe_: will review again today. the plan is to refactor the code based on these terms and then we will treat it as a living doc as things come up? | 14:13 |
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| vmahe_ | we'll introduce some new concepts in the next release but we have to write some BP for it | 14:13 |
| acabot_ | tpeoples: yes | 14:13 |
| chicco785 | hi | 14:13 |
| tpeoples | +1 | 14:13 |
| chicco785 | sorry for being late (federico) | 14:13 |
| brunograz | vmahe_: Sean was reviewing the new patch and already submitted some comments, afaik by the end of the week we will provide more inputs on it | 14:13 |
| cdupont | hi fede | 14:13 |
| jed56 | hi chicco785 | 14:14 |
| vmahe_ | Ideally, the glossary should be merged with mitaka-1 release | 14:14 |
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| acabot_ | I'd like to have the glossary merged for mitaka-1 so please review it before friday if possible | 14:14 |
| sballe | acabot_: will do | 14:14 |
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| acabot_ | sballe: thx | 14:15 |
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| bzhou | acabot_: will do | 14:15 |
| vmahe_ | I have also pushed an review regarding the documentation explaining the current architecture of Watcher (not the future one) | 14:15 |
| acabot_ | #action bzhou sballe tpeoples review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246370/ by friday | 14:15 |
| vmahe_ | See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249869/ | 14:16 |
| vmahe_ | It will reference some words of the glossary, and the glossary may also reference some technical components described in the architecture.rst file | 14:16 |
| acabot_ | vmahe_ the idea of this review is to have the current architecture diagram of Watcher (again for mitaka-1 release) | 14:17 |
| cdupont | as CN we could review some items as well | 14:17 |
| cdupont | if needed | 14:17 |
| acabot_ | then we will work on architecture v2 on watcher-specs repo | 14:17 |
| vmahe_ | acabot_: +1 | 14:17 |
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| acabot_ | #action cdupont chicco785 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246370/ by friday | 14:17 |
| mmmm | hi | 14:18 |
| cdupont | OK | 14:18 |
| acabot_ | anyone wants to work on architecture v2 right now ? I think we should wait the mid-cycle meetup to start this discussion | 14:19 |
| cdupont | when is this meeting? | 14:19 |
| acabot_ | end of january | 14:20 |
| cdupont | tks | 14:20 |
| sballe | I thought it was Feb 3-4 | 14:20 |
| acabot_ | yes sorry its around end of january ;-) | 14:20 |
| sballe | :-) | 14:20 |
| acabot_ | sballe : what do you think about architecture v2, from my point of view we can wait a f2f meeting | 14:21 |
| acabot_ | sballe: it would be easier than reviews on Gerrit | 14:21 |
| vmahe_ | +1 | 14:22 |
| sballe | I agree plus I will have more time ot work on it at the meetup and right before | 14:22 |
| sballe | I am swamped until the new year | 14:22 |
| acabot_ | ok | 14:22 |
| acabot_ | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:22 | |
| acabot_ | what about the split up of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/nishi-ahuja-energy-efficienct-dc ? | 14:23 |
| acabot_ | I suppose it is related to this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/outlet-temperature-based-strategy | 14:23 |
| bzhou | junjie has proposed the first algorithm | 14:23 |
| junjie | yes, this is one of them | 14:24 |
| acabot_ | ok so what about the original BP, can I set it as obsolete ? | 14:24 |
| junjie | sure | 14:24 |
| acabot_ | ok as vincentfrancoise mentionned, you need to fix the typo in our specs | 14:26 |
| acabot_ | your specs | 14:26 |
| acabot_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252268/ | 14:26 |
| junjie | yes | 14:26 |
| sballe | also you need to run the pep8 stuff | 14:26 |
| junjie | i will work on this | 14:26 |
| acabot_ | ok thx | 14:27 |
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| acabot_ | tpeoples has another BP to split up, will be done by 12/3 | 14:28 |
| sballe | Does anybody has a link to doc on the tooling need to be run before you submit a patch. the pep8 | 14:28 |
| bzhou | I think just run tox -epep8 should be good | 14:28 |
| jed56 | tox -e docs | 14:29 |
| junjie | good to know | 14:29 |
| jed56 | tox -e py27 | 14:29 |
| junjie | thx | 14:29 |
| acabot_ | if forgot to mention that I added a page on Watcher wiki on contributions https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher/Contributing | 14:29 |
| junjie | great | 14:30 |
| Kevin_Zheng | great | 14:30 |
| dtardivel | tox is mentioned in the README.rst file | 14:30 |
| acabot_ | feel free to add something about pep8 ;-) | 14:30 |
| mmmm | good to know | 14:30 |
| dtardivel | Please take care about your commit message. Detailed information is often missing :/ | 14:31 |
| sballe | and also there is somethign weird about not adding a "." at the end | 14:32 |
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| dtardivel | yes :-) | 14:32 |
| tpeoples | acabot_: sorry, just saw your previous message. yes, going to work on that today. bit behind due to the US holiday last week | 14:32 |
| acabot_ | chicco785: could you please give us details about the consolidation rule modelling BP you want to work on ? | 14:33 |
| chicco785 | hi acabot_ | 14:33 |
| junjie | i will pay more attention to the docs | 14:33 |
| dtardivel | good practice is defined on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 14:33 |
| chicco785 | we are working on two blueprints | 14:33 |
| chicco785 | the first bp is about the general API and management of "consolidation rules" supporting pluggable verifiers | 14:34 |
| chicco785 | ideally the verifiers will be linked to decision engines | 14:34 |
| chicco785 | which means, that there may be rules supported only by a certain subset of decision engines | 14:35 |
| chicco785 | second bp | 14:35 |
| chicco785 | propose an initial set of the actual consolidation rules grammar | 14:36 |
| chicco785 | taking into account existing work done inside btr place | 14:36 |
| cdupont | I've started to work on that | 14:36 |
| chicco785 | i hope to commit a draft of the specs by friday (sorry a bit overloaded) | 14:36 |
| chicco785 | for the API | 14:37 |
| chicco785 | while as cdupont just mentioned he is working on the grammar | 14:37 |
| acabot_ | ok thats fine, please submit a quick abstract on launchpad and a spec on watcher-specs repo (mitaka/approved folder) | 14:37 |
| chicco785 | the abstract for the API part should be there | 14:37 |
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| sballe | tpeoples: regarding the grammar you guys migth want to make sure you review the bp since I know you are interested in that subject too | 14:38 |
| chicco785 | not sure i linked it correctly (in case i apologize) | 14:38 |
| cdupont | I can submit for the rules part | 14:38 |
| tpeoples | will do sballe | 14:38 |
| chicco785 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-consolidation-rules-api | 14:38 |
| Kevin_Zheng | chicco785: 今天 | 14:39 |
| sballe | acabot_: chicco785 does Congress have any grammar? given that they are the policy engine we might want to coordinate and sync-up around that | 14:39 |
| sballe | bzhou: Do you know if Congress has a grammar to define its policies? | 14:39 |
| chicco785 | well the grammar of congress is basically datalog :) | 14:39 |
| bzhou | correct | 14:40 |
| chicco785 | by grammar here we mean a specific grammar for the consolidation topic | 14:40 |
| chicco785 | which is not AFAIK implemented in congress | 14:40 |
| sballe | chicco785: ok but any opportunity to collaborate with Congress and not end up with two grammars | 14:40 |
| chicco785 | anyhow cdupont should look into that | 14:40 |
| cdupont | Ok | 14:40 |
| acabot_ | +1 | 14:41 |
| tpeoples | we use something akin to SQL with our solution which is nice since most people know SQL, but yeah, let's find something common | 14:41 |
| brunograz | acabot_: we're also planning to submit a BP wrt to our consolidation model, due to other commitments we will most likely submit it next week | 14:41 |
| sballe | cdupont: can you do a read-out of that at our next meeting or wen you have looked into it | 14:41 |
| sballe | tpeoples: +1 | 14:42 |
| cdupont | sballe: sorry? didn't understand | 14:42 |
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| chicco785 | sballe asked if next week you can report on your findings | 14:42 |
| cdupont | should I do a summary of Congress rules for next meeting? | 14:42 |
| cdupont | Should be OK | 14:43 |
| sballe | cdupont: yes that was my understanding :-) | 14:43 |
| sballe | bzhou: do you know if congress has any plans to do more elaborate grammar rules? | 14:44 |
| cdupont | need to double check because next week I'm in a conf but probably I can participate in the meeting | 14:44 |
| sballe | np just when you are ready | 14:44 |
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| cdupont | OK | 14:45 |
| acabot_ | ok I'd like to keep time for open discussions today | 14:45 |
| chicco785 | i saw very simple examples in congress, but now grammar for the consolidation | 14:45 |
| acabot_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:45 |
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| chicco785 | **no** | 14:45 |
| acabot_ | dtardivel: do you want to give a word about integration tests ? | 14:46 |
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| acabot_ | we have to add integration tests all over the code of Watcher | 14:47 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:47 |
| dtardivel | On previous patchset, we hd some issues on watcher integration test | 14:47 |
| acabot_ | does anyone here has experience on doing this in OpenStack ? | 14:47 |
| sballe | Are we talking about Tempest tests? | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | +1 to sballe's question | 14:48 |
| dtardivel | do we decided, internally, to use a complete integration test framework (based on docker) to be able to validate a patchset | 14:48 |
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| sballe | dtardivel: I think we should agree to use devstack+ceilometer | 14:48 |
| sballe | as the test framework | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | won't we want to create a tempest test suite that gets run against devstack going forward (which will be needed by CI) ? | 14:49 |
| dtardivel | sballe: + tempest :-) | 14:49 |
| sballe | tpeoples: +1 exactely so devatsk should be our test framework | 14:49 |
| chicco785 | i think it is reasonable using devstack, but we should think to a configuration with more than one node | 14:50 |
| sballe | chicco785: devstack can be multi-node | 14:50 |
| tpeoples | yes chicco785 , we will do that as otherwise we aren't testing anything really :) | 14:50 |
| chicco785 | sure :) | 14:50 |
| chicco785 | that's what i meant | 14:50 |
| tpeoples | i have a guide to set up devstack + watcher multi-node, will include with the devstack plugin review | 14:50 |
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| chicco785 | using devstakc multinode conf | 14:50 |
| dtardivel | are you able to test a patchset into devstack, before to merge it into master branch ? | 14:51 |
| jed56 | tpeoples : cool | 14:51 |
| chicco785 | tpeoples great! | 14:51 |
| acabot_ | tpeoples: thats great | 14:51 |
| sballe | tpeoples: please share :-) | 14:51 |
| acabot_ | so we wait for tpeoples work on devstack and then we add a BP for tempest ? | 14:52 |
| sballe | dtardivel: I thought that what the openstack CD/Ci system is doing | 14:52 |
| tpeoples | dtardivel: that should be doable, but will require us to stand up a CI system. | 14:52 |
| tpeoples | sounds good acabot_ | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | acabot_: +1 | 14:52 |
| sballe | acabot_: I am assuming it will be one bp per Tempest test? or is it one BP for all Tempest tests? | 14:52 |
| mmmm | what the link to new arch? | 14:53 |
| tpeoples | related, i should have the devstack plugin up for review by end of week, need to work through some keystone conf issues i'm having with watcher (need your help dtardivel and jed56 probably) | 14:53 |
| acabot_ | sballe: that's THE question ? ;-) | 14:53 |
| cdupont | mmmm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249869/ | 14:53 |
| cdupont | mmm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249869/ | 14:53 |
| sballe | tpeoples: also talk to bzhou he has wathcer+openstack running and ran into some keystone issues | 14:53 |
| tpeoples | ok, thanks | 14:53 |
| jed56 | tpeoples : of course | 14:53 |
| sballe | acabot_: lol | 14:54 |
| acabot_ | mmmm: this review is the current architecture, we will start working on v2 at the mid-cycle meetup | 14:54 |
| cdupont | mmmm=mehdi by the way ;) | 14:54 |
| mmmm | ok | 14:55 |
| tpeoples | sballe: acabot_ : i think one BP for getting tempest set up and working is fine | 14:55 |
| tpeoples | one BP per test is way too much | 14:55 |
| tpeoples | and that would set a precedent and barrier for adding test coverage in the future | 14:55 |
| sballe | tpeoples: I understand but different people can work on different tests | 14:56 |
| acabot_ | we can submit a BP to run a large tempest test like "running an audit" | 14:56 |
| sballe | but we can do one bp and assign it to you ;-) | 14:56 |
| acabot_ | and then add a new one to add other tests | 14:56 |
| sballe | acabot_: +1 | 14:56 |
| tpeoples | either way i suppose | 14:57 |
| tpeoples | i just don't want to have to do a whole BP in the future to add some random tempest test | 14:57 |
| tpeoples | :) | 14:57 |
| sballe | In the future I am hoping that the tempest test will be part of the code submission if needed so no bp needed | 14:58 |
| acabot_ | tpeoples: sure | 14:58 |
| sballe | tpeoples: i agree | 14:58 |
| acabot_ | sballe: I agree, this is something we have to do right now on existing code | 14:58 |
| sballe | acabot_: agreed | 14:58 |
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| jed56 | +2 | 14:59 |
| acabot_ | and then add it to the "done def" of a blueprint | 14:59 |
| acabot_ | ok so thx for this meeting | 14:59 |
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| acabot_ | see you next week | 14:59 |
| sballe | we have one minute left | 14:59 |
| sballe | ok bye. thx | 14:59 |
| brunograz | ok bye | 15:00 |
| cdupont | bye bye | 15:00 |
| junjie | thank you , bye | 15:00 |
| acabot_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 15:00:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-12-02-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-12-02-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-12-02-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| mmmm | buye | 15:00 |
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| chicco785 | bye | 15:00 |
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| jasondotstar | #startmeeting openstack-vahana | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 15:01:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-vahana)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_vahana' | 15:01 |
| Ng | .o/ | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 15:01 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduction (Meeting topic: openstack-vahana)" | 15:01 | |
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| jasondotstar | This week is our 2nd meeting for the openstack-vahana project | 15:02 |
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| jasondotstar | #info The OpenStack Vahana project is an attempt to re-ignite the OpenStack iOS Client project | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | we've got an etherpad where we are collecting thoughts around the project | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-mobile-ios-brainstorm | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | obvs if you've any ideas or feedback to add it's encouraged to add them there | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | also.... | 15:04 |
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| jasondotstar | interested parties are encouraged to join the #openstack-vahana IRC channel | 15:04 |
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| jasondotstar | again, this has been an effort constructed since summit, so we're at the *very* early stages of establishing this | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | Ng: anything to add? | 15:05 |
| Ng | nope! | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | cool. | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | moving on.... | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Action Items from Last Meeting | 15:06 |
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| jasondotstar | first up | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | ACTION: someone to loop in UX folk - updates? | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | i think the premise here | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | was to keep the api devs in api land | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | and not have us worry about design related tasks | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | i know for me, they wouldn't be that great :-) | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | Ng: you have contacts w/ the UX folk? | 15:08 |
| Ng | jasondotstar: none directly, but I think I can make indirect contact | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | cool. you want to try and stir one of them up? see if we can get somebody to give us a few cycles to think about this? | 15:09 |
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| Ng | sure thing | 15:09 |
| jasondotstar | #action Ng to make contact with the UX team | 15:09 |
| jasondotstar | awesome, thx | 15:09 |
| jasondotstar | next up | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | ACTION: someone to figure out who we should talk to about identifying specific use cases | 15:10 |
| Ng | this one I don't think I have anything for | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | ok.... | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | perhaps someone in -infra | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | we can talk to | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | I can touch base with someone there | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | and we can talk to a horizon team member as well | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | I can tackle that one | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | anyone else who may be good? | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | if not I'll add it to my list. | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to make contact with either the infra team or the horizon team to identify use cases | 15:12 |
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| jasondotstar | ok, next up | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | ACTION: someone to start talking to large/public OpenStack installs for testing and use-case-gathering | 15:13 |
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| jasondotstar | we need a testbed besides devstack | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | *maybe* there's a racker we can hit up? | 15:14 |
| Ng | there's still a few more weeks of HP Cloud :D | 15:14 |
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| jasondotstar | ah! | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | true | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | well then, that give us the next 30-45days | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | #agreed HP Public Cloud is available to us for the next 30-45 days for testing purposes | 15:15 |
| jasondotstar | beyond that, we'll have to figure out something | 15:15 |
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| jasondotstar | so, I'm thinking we should try to talk to Rackspace (or someone similar) and see if we can figure something out | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | educate me here.... I'm sure there are other teams | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | that test stuff in public cloud deployments | 15:17 |
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| Ng | well Infra gets to test stuff in lots of public cloud places | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | wonder if we can figure out which teams are doing so, and see if we can get some insight on who they're using? | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | ack. | 15:17 |
| jasondotstar | I'll talk to infra about it | 15:18 |
| Ng | most other teams are doing their testing indirectly through infra | 15:18 |
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| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to chat with -infra about public cloud API testing environment(s) | 15:18 |
| jasondotstar | Ng: +1 | 15:18 |
| jasondotstar | that finishes out the items from the last meeting | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | anything else to add? | 15:19 |
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| Ng | I have nothing, I've had very little time for vahana this week :( | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | ok, moving on | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | i hear ya. last week was a bit of a wash | 15:20 |
| jasondotstar | with the US holiday and all | 15:20 |
| jasondotstar | but it's good to get into a healthy rhythm | 15:20 |
| jasondotstar | (typo?) | 15:20 |
| Ng | yup! | 15:20 |
| jasondotstar | lol | 15:20 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Additional Goals and Use Cases | 15:21 |
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| jasondotstar | so we've got questions that we're posting up on the etherpad | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | in some cases, we're starting to answer them | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | as well as question the questions :-) | 15:22 |
| jasondotstar | i have a personal goal of adding more items to the feature list | 15:22 |
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| jasondotstar | nothing sticks out as notable atm | 15:23 |
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| jasondotstar | regarding additions to the questions list | 15:23 |
| jasondotstar | but the feature list could use some love | 15:23 |
| jasondotstar | however | 15:24 |
| jasondotstar | that totally depends on the direction we take | 15:24 |
| jasondotstar | are we building a mobile app | 15:24 |
| jasondotstar | or a set of libraries | 15:24 |
| Ng | I wonder if we should have some short term goals to get us thinking in the right directions | 15:24 |
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| jasondotstar | the END goal could be either or | 15:25 |
| Ng | like I guess the first thing we have to have is the ability to authenticate with Keystone | 15:25 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:25 |
| jasondotstar | that makes ALOT of sense | 15:25 |
| jasondotstar | let's put together a list of short term goals | 15:25 |
| jasondotstar | things to try out | 15:25 |
| jasondotstar | small wins | 15:25 |
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| jasondotstar | #agreed we should have a list of short-term goals to get the project progressing in the right direction | 15:26 |
| Ng | from there I guess the next step might be a very bare bones Compute class that can get a list of VMs from Nova | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | #action come up with a list of short-term MVP goals | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | Ng: +1 | 15:28 |
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| jasondotstar | let's carve out a section of the etherpad | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | and add the goals there | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | then that way for each meeting we can go through that list | 15:28 |
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| jasondotstar | see where we are and what shakes out | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | any more thoughts on that? | 15:29 |
| Ng | nope | 15:30 |
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| jasondotstar | if not we'll keep the train moving... | 15:30 |
| jasondotstar | cool! | 15:30 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Current R&D | 15:30 |
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| jasondotstar | so I got Alamofire working in a Playground | 15:31 |
| jasondotstar | w00t! | 15:31 |
| Ng | woot | 15:31 |
| Ng | nothing particularly relevant to report here :/ | 15:31 |
| jasondotstar | other than that, haven't had much time to do anything else | 15:31 |
| jasondotstar | ok cool. we'll keep this section short this week. | 15:31 |
| jasondotstar | last topic | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Q&A | 15:32 |
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| jasondotstar | floor is open | 15:32 |
| Ng | we should maybe get ourselves a git repo somewhere | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | you know | 15:33 |
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| jasondotstar | i started a git project | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | and a launchpad project | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | but i think it was a bit premature to do it | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | so I'll probably scrap them | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | s/git/github | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | i do think that if we're to be agile about this | 15:34 |
| jasondotstar | we should be coding sooner than later. | 15:34 |
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| jasondotstar | #action look into what we need to setup a project repositiory | 15:36 |
| jasondotstar | s/repositiory/repository | 15:36 |
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| jasondotstar | any other thoughts? ideas? questions? | 15:37 |
| jasondotstar | (short meeting this week I guess....) | 15:37 |
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| jasondotstar | if nothing else, we can end the meeting here, give about 20mins back to the channel | 15:38 |
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| jasondotstar | Ng++ | 15:38 |
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| jasondotstar | going once? twice? | 15:39 |
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| jasondotstar | ok thanks all for attending. chat next week. | 15:39 |
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| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 15:39:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_vahana/2015/openstack_vahana.2015-12-02-15.01.html | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_vahana/2015/openstack_vahana.2015-12-02-15.01.txt | 15:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_vahana/2015/openstack_vahana.2015-12-02-15.01.log.html | 15:39 |
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| rhallisey | is openstack-vahanna meeting done? Kolla is suppose to have this time slot | 16:37 |
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| rhallisey | ok.. | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | #startmeeting kolla | 16:38 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 16:38:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhallisey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:38 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:38 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:38 |
| rhallisey | #topic rollcall | 16:38 |
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| rhallisey | hello | 16:38 |
| akwasnie | hey :) | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | there's a net split going on, but wanted to see who's around | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | jpeeler, inc0, SamYaple you guys around? | 16:39 |
| jpeeler | yeah i'm here | 16:39 |
| inc0 | yup | 16:39 |
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| rhallisey | #topic Announcements | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:40 | |
| rhallisey | ok will be short and sweet then | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | Mitaka-1 is coming up | 16:40 |
| inc0 | M-1 is in 3 days right? | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | inc0, yup | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | so if you have any BP's you're trying to get in there are only a few days left | 16:41 |
| rhallisey | #topic Mitaka 1 | 16:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka 1 (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:41 | |
| rhallisey | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 16:41 |
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| inc0 | 3 essential bps not started | 16:42 |
| inc0 | and one of these is about upgrades, which isn't good | 16:42 |
| rhallisey | I haven't seen SamYaple in the last few days | 16:42 |
| inc0 | hes moving to SCarolina about now | 16:43 |
| rhallisey | oh | 16:43 |
| rhallisey | inc0, leaving you behind in texas eh | 16:43 |
| inc0 | yup, well | 16:43 |
| inc0 | I'll have reason to visit SCarolina;) | 16:43 |
| jpeeler | inc0: permanently? | 16:44 |
| jpeeler | maybe this is a bit off topic... | 16:44 |
| rhallisey | hehe | 16:44 |
| inc0 | jpeeler, pretty much...3 years at least | 16:44 |
| jpeeler | interesting | 16:44 |
| * jpeeler lives there too | 16:44 | |
| inc0 | oh really? where? | 16:44 |
| jpeeler | columbia | 16:44 |
| inc0 | San Antonio | 16:44 |
| rhallisey | jpeeler, is south of SamYaple | 16:44 |
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| rhallisey | uh oh | 16:45 |
| inc0 | netsplit! | 16:45 |
| akwasnie | oh net split | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | ok well on the Mitaka-1 release I'll just have to talk to people hopefully tmr | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | otherwise those bp's will be bumped | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | #topic Docker Module | 16:46 |
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| rhallisey | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248812/ | 16:46 |
| inc0 | we shouldn't discuss this one without Sam I think | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | I know | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | I just wanted to mention sdake is in full support of it | 16:46 |
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| rhallisey | and if you haven't seen it take a look at it | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | #topic Gate status | 16:47 |
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| rhallisey | one mention about the gate | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | there seems to be a bug in neutron that's causing the gate to fails | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | fail* | 16:47 |
| inc0 | there is also timeout problem | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | so if you see a gate failure and it's due to a db-sync error via neutron then just ignore it | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | inc0, I haven't seen a timeout problem | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | will take note of that though | 16:48 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251765/ | 16:48 |
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| inc0 | just an example | 16:48 |
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| SamYaple | just me nihilifer it seems | 16:48 |
| inc0 | build gates won't be affected by neutron | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | woah | 16:49 |
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| rhallisey | SamYaple, oh hey | 16:49 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, hey man, happy netsplit day | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | inc0, thanks for pointing that out | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | #topic Open Discussion | 16:49 |
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| rhallisey | k anything else | 16:49 |
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| SamYaple | were 20 minutes into it, im going to call it (at least for me) | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | catch you later | 16:50 |
| inc0 | cya man | 16:50 |
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| rhallisey | I guess no addition comments | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | thanks for coming :) | 16:51 |
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| rhallisey | #endmeeting kolla | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 16:51:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-02-16.38.html | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-02-16.38.txt | 16:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-02-16.38.log.html | 16:51 |
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| akwasnie | one question before eveybody leaves - which services are planned to be kolla-rized and when? is there any plan? | 16:52 |
| sdake | o/ | 16:53 |
| sdake | apologies for late | 16:53 |
| akwasnie | too late ;) meeting ended | 16:53 |
| akwasnie | net splits :( | 16:53 |
| sdake | bummer | 16:53 |
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| balajin | aloha | 18:08 |
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| Bjoern_ | Hey. The ops meeting is here ? | 18:13 |
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| balajin | BjoernT: there are two meetings on my calendar one at 10 and one 11 PST | 18:14 |
| balajin | i believe the one at 10 no longer happens | 18:14 |
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| BjoernT | Ok oh yes, OpenStack OSOps/Monitoring and Tools Working Group is at 1900 UTC | 18:16 |
| BjoernT | Hmm, there was a OpenStack Operators Team Meeting too did they rename or combine it ? | 18:17 |
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| j^2 | BjoernT: we combined them | 18:52 |
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| klindgren | o/ | 18:53 |
| j^2 | hey | 18:53 |
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| balajin | yay | 18:57 |
| j^2 | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 19:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 19:00 |
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| j^2 | #topic rollcall | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:00 | |
| j^2 | hey everyone! | 19:00 |
| xavpaice | good morning | 19:00 |
| j^2 | i'll give 5-6 mins to allow everyone to filter in | 19:00 |
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| serverascode | o/ | 19:01 |
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| klindgren | hi | 19:02 |
| j^2 | friendly ping: balajin, klindgren, mdorman | 19:02 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:02 |
| j^2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20151202 | 19:02 |
| j^2 | that's the agenda ^^ if anyone wants to put any last min topics | 19:02 |
| j^2 | friendly ping: mriedem | 19:03 |
| balajin | hi | 19:03 |
| j^2 | cool, starting in 2 mins | 19:03 |
| klindgren | Does anyone have a tool for moving a vm and its associated stuff between projects? | 19:04 |
| j^2 | rsync? ;) | 19:04 |
| xavpaice | common ask from our sysadmins | 19:04 |
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| balajin | mostly needs backend db updates | 19:05 |
| j^2 | #topic Previous Business | 19:05 |
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| balajin | its an ask that we have had | 19:05 |
| j^2 | Ok, so I had the only action items from last meeting | 19:05 |
| j^2 | i got the agendas and template on the wiki | 19:05 |
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| j^2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Osops | 19:05 |
| j^2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Osops/Osops-agenda | 19:06 |
| Bjoern_ | Thanks J^2 | 19:06 |
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| j^2 | any objections to to these? | 19:06 |
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| j^2 | i'm just cargo culting what i did in openstack-chef it worked well, but i'm willing to change anything if anyone has any better suggestions | 19:06 |
| balajin | #agreed | 19:06 |
| xavpaice | great stuff | 19:07 |
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| j^2 | i've already put the agenda for next meeting up too | 19:07 |
| j^2 | so we can push things if we need to | 19:07 |
| j^2 | but i don't we'll need it today | 19:07 |
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| j^2 | i'll give 1-2 mins for any other thoughts or suggestions | 19:08 |
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| klindgren | seems good to me | 19:09 |
| j^2 | awesome, the second action item was mine too | 19:09 |
| j^2 | j^2 to figure out how to use zuul to validate against the pep8 (python|bash) and rubocop linters | 19:09 |
| j^2 | yeah i totally didn't work on this, i got caught up in the board election prep and all | 19:10 |
| j^2 | i'll take this again for next meeting, unless someone else wants it | 19:10 |
| j^2 | ok, if you want to discuss it you can ping me out of band and we can talk about it | 19:11 |
| j^2 | #topic new business | 19:11 |
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| j^2 | #action j^2 to figure out how to use zuul to validate against the pep8 (python|bash) and rubocop linters | 19:11 |
| j^2 | mriedem): The nova dev team would appreciate operator input on the problem and questions posed in this ML thread related to fixing the nova-manage db archive_deleted_rows command: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079778.html | 19:11 |
| j^2 | is mriedem here? | 19:12 |
| j^2 | #link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079778.html | 19:12 |
| klindgren | In general I like it. The only thing i was unsure of when they say when archiving soft_deleted instances also archive off instance actions. What does archiving mean exactly? | 19:13 |
| klindgren | move it to the shadow table? | 19:13 |
| klindgren | purge from db? | 19:13 |
| j^2 | it sounds like they are open to suggestions | 19:13 |
| klindgren | The plan right now (at least agreed to between myself and sdague) is not | 19:13 |
| klindgren | to soft delete instance actions, but to archive and hard-delete them | 19:13 |
| klindgren | when archiving instances. | 19:14 |
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| klindgren | just read that... | 19:14 |
| klindgren | so I am ok with that | 19:14 |
| xavpaice | the 'who deleted my instance' scenario seems like something people would want | 19:14 |
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| klindgren | the issue is - only admin's can query for deleted instances - then you can give them the old uuid and they can see the actions | 19:15 |
| j^2 | xavpaice: i agreed, auditing is always something useful | 19:15 |
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| j^2 | mriedem: hi! | 19:15 |
| j^2 | we're just discussing your post | 19:15 |
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| klindgren | but yes - I agree - its useful. But I know most of our users, don't track their vm uuid's | 19:15 |
| mriedem | i don't even remember what that was | 19:15 |
| xavpaice | I think the inability of the api to read instance-actions for a deleted instance is probably a slightly different issue to the one mriedem is asking about though? | 19:15 |
| j^2 | mriedem: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079778.html | 19:16 |
| mriedem | ok, | 19:16 |
| balajin | klindgren: yeah | 19:16 |
| balajin | usually the users so i had a vm which was this hostname / ip and it is missing | 19:16 |
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| mriedem | so what we more or less agreed to in the -dev list was when archiving instances, we also archive and hard-delete the instance actions | 19:16 |
| balajin | and it is the ops who track it down | 19:16 |
| mriedem | this http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080033.html | 19:17 |
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| j^2 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080033.html | 19:18 |
| mriedem | we have to do this for bw_usage_cache also since it has a reference to instance uuid but no foreign key, and those aren't soft deleted (but only relevant if you use xen) | 19:18 |
| mriedem | there is a patch up to add a fkey to bw_usage_cache though | 19:18 |
| mriedem | as for reading instance actions for deleted instances, that spec was approved https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248288/ | 19:19 |
| j^2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248288/ | 19:19 |
| mriedem | so are people ok with nova archiving and hard-deleting instance actions when it archives the instances? | 19:19 |
| mriedem | they aren't really usable after you've archived the instances | 19:20 |
| xavpaice | seems reasonable to me | 19:20 |
| mriedem | and they are breaking nova-manage db archive_deleted_rows right now | 19:20 |
| j^2 | mriedem: i havent clicked on any of the links you've put, but the tl;dr: where do you archive the data? | 19:20 |
| mriedem | shadow tables | 19:20 |
| j^2 | klindgren: ^^ | 19:20 |
| mriedem | which is what nova-manage db archive_deleted_rows does | 19:20 |
| mriedem | but is broken on the instance_actions fkey right now | 19:20 |
| klindgren | kk | 19:20 |
| mriedem | tl;dr is i'm trying to fix that so ops don't need their own script to archive :) | 19:21 |
| j^2 | mriedem: rock on | 19:21 |
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| balajin | so what happens to the shadow tables and when do they get cleaned up? | 19:21 |
| mriedem | i think it was mfisch that shamed us on that one :P | 19:21 |
| mriedem | there is no in-tree thing in nova to purge shadow tables | 19:21 |
| xavpaice | so that's a custom sql anyway? | 19:22 |
| mriedem | for now yeah | 19:22 |
| mriedem | there is a bp for mitaka to add a purge command to nova-manage | 19:22 |
| xavpaice | well, at least it's a bunch safer than the main tables | 19:22 |
| mriedem | purge would hard-delete instances and their related tables | 19:22 |
| mriedem | not archive | 19:22 |
| balajin | okay, i thgouth nova-manage was going away in N | 19:22 |
| mriedem | nova-manage is in it for the long haul | 19:22 |
| mriedem | nova-manage is a hack to the nova db, | 19:23 |
| mriedem | for things that nova-manage isn't needed for, where the api is sufficient, those things are removed | 19:23 |
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| klindgren | to -> openstackcleint - right? | 19:23 |
| klindgren | client** | 19:23 |
| mriedem | or novaclient | 19:23 |
| mriedem | or rest api | 19:23 |
| balajin | mriedem: got it, so now i recall nova service-list comment | 19:23 |
| mriedem | or sdk, whatever | 19:23 |
| mriedem | yeah | 19:23 |
| balajin | sorry one more question on the topic | 19:23 |
| mriedem | this is the purge command change btw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203751/ | 19:24 |
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| balajin | the archival of instances is it a time based policy or a manual setting or always on? | 19:24 |
| balajin | s/manual setting/manual run of the command/ | 19:24 |
| mriedem | manual | 19:24 |
| mriedem | so you could run that on a cron if you wanted | 19:24 |
| mriedem | same with purging shadow tables | 19:24 |
| balajin | mriedem: thanks | 19:25 |
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| balajin | makes sense | 19:25 |
| mriedem | archive is also a big whacked in other ways | 19:25 |
| mriedem | the max_rows thing is sort of terrible imo | 19:25 |
| balajin | and i assume it supports a date parameter so i would do this for things older than n days | 19:25 |
| mriedem | *bit | 19:25 |
| mriedem | the new purge command supports an age parameter | 19:25 |
| mriedem | archive doesn't, but probably should | 19:25 |
| * balajin kicks himself for not reading the ML / spec | 19:25 | |
| mriedem | archive has this --max-rows option, which is not how you'd expect it to work really | 19:26 |
| j^2 | balajin: ;) you arent the only one | 19:26 |
| balajin | :( | 19:26 |
| mriedem | when i run archive, i basically pass --max-rows 3000 just to make sure i'm not missing something | 19:26 |
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| mriedem | if you pass like --max-rows 10, and you have 10 rows in the first table it processes, it's done | 19:26 |
| mriedem | not 10 rows from *all* tables | 19:26 |
| balajin | yeah i feel bad because i asked for the agenda, clicked on the link and then got side tracked | 19:26 |
| j^2 | ha! | 19:27 |
| j^2 | no worries, this discussion is useful | 19:27 |
| balajin | so most folks are fine with this, how about going on with this | 19:27 |
| j^2 | sounds good. | 19:27 |
| balajin | and if people have comments, do it directly on the spec / ml? | 19:27 |
| mriedem | balajin: -nova channel is also good | 19:27 |
| balajin | mriedem: xavpaice: klindgren: ? | 19:28 |
| klindgren | I ma good with it | 19:28 |
| balajin | sure | 19:28 |
| j^2 | mriedem: thanks for your time and joining us here :D | 19:28 |
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| mriedem | np | 19:28 |
| xavpaice | :) | 19:28 |
| mriedem | btw, | 19:28 |
| mriedem | as a nova dev, | 19:29 |
| mriedem | please continue to beat us up on things that ops are having to do themselves out of the nova tree for things like this | 19:29 |
| mriedem | and we need to fix | 19:29 |
| mriedem | it's important to know these things for setting our priorities | 19:29 |
| klindgren | mriedem, moving a vm between projects | 19:29 |
| mriedem | otherwise we go off and waste time reviewing vendor x's shiny new toy | 19:29 |
| j^2 | klindgren: well played sir | 19:29 |
| mriedem | klindgren: there was a spec for that in kilo | 19:29 |
| mriedem | it wasn't fully hashed out to say the least | 19:29 |
| mriedem | i could probably find it at some point (later) | 19:30 |
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| mriedem | how much are ops keyed into the product working group? | 19:30 |
| j^2 | mriedem: not too much, tbh | 19:30 |
| mriedem | neither are devs | 19:30 |
| klindgren | yea - I mean the issues is you also need: glance/neutron/cinder (others as well) | 19:30 |
| xavpaice | ouch | 19:30 |
| mriedem | i feel like it's project / product managers talking to each other | 19:30 |
| j^2 | mriedem: that group is run by vendors iirc too | 19:30 |
| mriedem | j^2: yup | 19:30 |
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| mriedem | klindgren: same is true for auto delete of resources once you delete a project/user | 19:31 |
| j^2 | mriedem: or at least that's how i felt when i was in the UC conversations it Tokyo | 19:31 |
| xavpaice | we do have a script for that - I should get the author to put it up to osops | 19:31 |
| klindgren | UC? | 19:31 |
| mriedem | j^2: that's the impression i got from reading the list of things in the product work group | 19:31 |
| mriedem | user committee? | 19:31 |
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| klindgren | xavpaice, really??!?! | 19:31 |
| j^2 | klindgren: user committee, there's an intersection between the product wg and UC | 19:32 |
| j^2 | xavpaice: YES | 19:32 |
| klindgren | I get asked pretty frequently to move stuff between projects. A script would be pretty nice | 19:32 |
| xavpaice | klindgren: add and remove tenant scripts, yeah - will ask to get it shared | 19:32 |
| xavpaice | not moving stuff between though | 19:32 |
| mriedem | you could give me an action for digging up that old spec | 19:32 |
| * mriedem mriedem to find old nova spec on moving vm's between projects | 19:33 | |
| mriedem | oops | 19:33 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to find old nova spec on moving vm's between projects | 19:33 |
| j^2 | #action mriedem to find old nova spec on moving vm's between projects | 19:33 |
| j^2 | i think only chairs can give actions iirc | 19:33 |
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| j^2 | otherwise you have it doublely :P | 19:33 |
| klindgren | I have been tempted to play aroudn in the nova db. But I am sure that will go horribly on the next db upgrade attempt | 19:33 |
| j^2 | heh | 19:34 |
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| j^2 | cool, ok, just a time check, shall i open this up for "Open Discussion" or do we want to say on these topics? | 19:34 |
| j^2 | BjoernT: do you have any thoughts? | 19:35 |
| xavpaice | the author of our tenant create/delete scripts is good to share - did you want to put an action for me to do that? | 19:36 |
| mriedem | cha ching https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105367/ | 19:36 |
| BjoernT | sorry, i got hijacked in a meeting, i'll be passive. Don't wait on me | 19:36 |
| j^2 | #action xavpaice to post the tenant scripts to osops | 19:36 |
| mriedem | ^ is the transfer of ownership spec | 19:36 |
| j^2 | mriedem: rock on | 19:36 |
| j^2 | #link mriedem to find old nova spec on moving vm's between projects | 19:37 |
| xavpaice | that was fast! | 19:37 |
| j^2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105367/ | 19:37 |
| mriedem | knowing the gerrit query language is helpful | 19:37 |
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| balajin | should hte action to be to propose that spec for M? | 19:37 |
| mriedem | you have to find someone to propose it | 19:38 |
| mriedem | and it won't make M | 19:38 |
| balajin | that spec shows as abondoned and also suggest to move to oslo | 19:38 |
| mriedem | spec freeze is tomorrow | 19:38 |
| balajin | ha okay | 19:38 |
| mriedem | but, if you have working code, that goes a long way | 19:38 |
| mriedem | for N | 19:38 |
| mriedem | but yeah it's a cross-project spec for sure | 19:38 |
| mriedem | thingee said he was herding those cats now for cross project specs | 19:39 |
| j^2 | impressive, cross-project specs must be crazy hard | 19:39 |
| mriedem | invest product work group resources in that and maybe they'd be helpful | 19:39 |
| j^2 | makes sense | 19:40 |
| j^2 | #topic Open Floor | 19:41 |
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| j^2 | cool, is there anything anyone would like to bring up infront of the group? | 19:41 |
| j^2 | i have one, but i'd like to open it for others first | 19:42 |
| j^2 | bueller? | 19:43 |
| j^2 | ok, cool | 19:44 |
| j^2 | I'd like to just mention that I've accepted my nomination for the OpenStack board | 19:44 |
| j^2 | #link https://www.openstack.org/community/members/profile/19802 | 19:44 |
| j^2 | I'd like to ask for ya'lls support too | 19:44 |
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| j^2 | and if anyone has any ideas on how i can win this seat i'm all ears | 19:45 |
| j^2 | other than than, i think we're good, we have a couple action items and somethings to follow up on. | 19:46 |
| mriedem | are there any other ops people on the board nomination? | 19:46 |
| mriedem | if not, that's probably your selling point | 19:46 |
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| j^2 | mriedem: from what it seems i'm the only one | 19:46 |
| mriedem | that and wild promises | 19:46 |
| mriedem | channel your inner trump | 19:46 |
| klindgren | haha | 19:46 |
| j^2 | mriedem: kissn' babies, make OPS GREAT AGAIN! | 19:46 |
| ctina | i have a stupid question...how often are these meetings held? | 19:47 |
| * xavpaice gets a badge | 19:47 | |
| j^2 | ctina: odd weeks | 19:48 |
| xavpaice | oh, that's not on the wiki page | 19:48 |
| klindgren | it is | 19:48 |
| j^2 | xavpaice: it is | 19:48 |
| klindgren | We have an official meeting time at Every two weeks (on odd weeks) on Wednesday at 1900 UTC in #openstack-meeting-4, our agendas are posted here. | 19:48 |
| xavpaice | oh yeah! d'ok... | 19:48 |
| balajin | how many are around next week? | 19:49 |
| balajin | i am not | 19:49 |
| balajin | so i will see you in jan | 19:49 |
| j^2 | ctina: and that's not a stupid question at all, we havent sold ourself very well, we need to announce it better | 19:49 |
| klindgren | I am | 19:49 |
| j^2 | balajin: sounds good, :D | 19:49 |
| balajin | assume there would be none on 31st | 19:49 |
| j^2 | balajin: and you mean in two weeks | 19:49 |
| balajin | j^2: yeah, thanks for the correction | 19:49 |
| klindgren | j^2 - you can get my vote if you can promise to hae people start focusing on the bascis :-) | 19:49 |
| balajin | i am out on 16th | 19:49 |
| klindgren | I will settle for deleting tenants doing stuff other than leaving a mess for operators, moving stuff between tenants | 19:50 |
| j^2 | klindgren: to quote what i think the top proirity is: Understanding the scope of the practical use cases for OpenStack. The Board seems to be looking at the theoretical use cases not what people are actually building. | 19:50 |
| j^2 | cool, anything else? otherwise i'll close the meeting | 19:51 |
| j^2 | ill give 2 mins for anyone to speak up | 19:51 |
| j^2 | thanks everyone! | 19:52 |
| xavpaice | thank _you_ | 19:52 |
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| j^2 | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 19:53:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-12-02-19.00.html | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-12-02-19.00.txt | 19:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-12-02-19.00.log.html | 19:53 |
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| balajin | thanks | 19:57 |
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