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| tfukushima | #startmeeting kuryr | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 03:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tfukushima. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 03:00 |
| tfukushima | Hello, I'm expecting fewer attendees but who's up for the Kuryr meeting? | 03:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | o/ | 03:01 |
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| fawadkhaliq | hi tfukushima | 03:01 |
| tfukushima | I hope I wan not the only person. | 03:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | We are two for sure :-) | 03:01 |
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| tfukushima | fawadkhaliq: Here you are. | 03:02 |
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| tfukushima | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kuryr#Meeting_November_30_.28December_1.29.2C_2015 | 03:02 |
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| tfukushima | This is the agenda for today. Sorry for my disorganised management but I'll try my best. | 03:03 |
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| fawadkhaliq | looks like it's just two of us today | 03:03 |
| vikasc | hi folks | 03:03 |
| fawadkhaliq | ah | 03:03 |
| fawadkhaliq | vikasc: is here! | 03:04 |
| tfukushima | Hi vikasc | 03:04 |
| fawadkhaliq | hi vikasc | 03:04 |
| vikasc | hi fawadkhaliq tfukushima | 03:04 |
| baohua | hi im here | 03:04 |
| vikasc | sorry for being late | 03:04 |
| tfukushima | Hi baohua | 03:04 |
| baohua | hi taku. thought it was the kuryr channel | 03:04 |
| tfukushima | It's supposed to be here according to the wiki. | 03:05 |
| tfukushima | Ok, anyways let's get started. | 03:05 |
| baohua | sure | 03:06 |
| vikasc | sure | 03:06 |
| tfukushima | #topic General Action Items (from last week meeting) | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Action Items (from last week meeting) (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:06 | |
| tfukushima | "apuimedo add docker network creation commands to devref" | 03:06 |
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| tfukushima | I think Toni is working on that. And I'm also investigating if it's possible to associate the existing networks. | 03:07 |
| tfukushima | --opt or -o just works and we can give whatever we want. | 03:07 |
| fawadkhaliq | nice! | 03:07 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, can you please give example | 03:08 |
| vikasc | can we tell ext-router name using --opt? | 03:08 |
| tfukushima | vagrant@devstack:~/devstack$ sudo docker network create --driver=kuryr --subnet 10.0.0.0/16 --gateway 10.0.0.1 -o foo=bar baz | 03:08 |
| tfukushima | gives: | 03:08 |
| tfukushima | {u'NetworkID': u'887a176e91e9c3b7484a38feea5aa032c3f052df74c1bd0727da7475e383daff', u'IPv4Data': [{u'Pool': u'10.0.0.0/24', u'Gateway': u'10.0.0.2/24', u'AddressSpace': u''}], u'IPv6Data': [], u'Options': {u'com.docker.network.generic': {u'foo': u'bar'}}} | 03:08 |
| fawadkhaliq | vikasc: I think its a key/value pair so anything I guess | 03:08 |
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| tfukushima | We can pass multiple options with multiple -o. | 03:09 |
| vikasc | fawadkhaliq, just want to confirm with tfukushima | 03:09 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, cool | 03:09 |
| tfukushima | e.g., -o foo=bar -o baz=qux | 03:10 |
| tfukushima | But it works only for the networks. | 03:10 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, got it | 03:10 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, ahh | 03:10 |
| tfukushima | I couldn't find the way to pass options for /NetworkDriver.CreateEndpoints and /NetworkDriver.Join. | 03:11 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, for external connectivity we can use this i guess | 03:11 |
| tfukushima | Yes. | 03:11 |
| tfukushima | vikas: ext-router They have -l or --label but they're for containers and they are not passed to the remote network driver. | 03:11 |
| tfukushima | And we still need to figure out how we can map the Docker's NetworkID and Neutron's UUID. | 03:12 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, hmm | 03:12 |
| tfukushima | We could pass the name or the UUID of the networks like -o name=foo -o id=2eda7666-c0ed-40b1-8747-25e26c74b364 and retrieve the correspond networks from Neutron. | 03:13 |
| baohua | and where to store the mapping info? | 03:14 |
| baohua | both kuryr and neutron should be aware, i guess | 03:14 |
| tfukushima | But we were storing Docker's NetworkID in the name of the Neutron networks and that was the mapping exactly. | 03:14 |
| tfukushima | So we really need the tag feature Gal is proposing, I guess. | 03:14 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: is the idea to somehow make UUIDs in both the worlds the same? | 03:14 |
| baohua | if container supports utilizing the exixting uuid instead of creation, then we can make both the same. | 03:15 |
| fawadkhaliq | that might require flexibility in libnetwork or in Neutron. | 03:15 |
| tfukushima | fawadkhaliq: Actually Docker's "UUID" is not the legitimate UUID. It's a totally different representation from the regular one. | 03:16 |
| tfukushima | I'd call it Docker's ID rather than "UUID". | 03:17 |
| tfukushima | So they can't be the same. | 03:17 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, +1 | 03:17 |
| tfukushima | UUID: 2eda7666-c0ed-40b1-8747-25e26c74b364, Docker's ID: 286eddb51ebca09339cb17aaec05e48ffe60659ced6f3fc41b020b0eb506d364 | 03:18 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: makes sense | 03:18 |
| tfukushima | #link Neutron tag spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216021/ | 03:18 |
| baohua | does libnetwork have a id for its network entry? | 03:18 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks for the link | 03:19 |
| fawadkhaliq | tags might work | 03:19 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, thanks for the link | 03:19 |
| tfukushima | Yes it does and they're passed in the requests. | 03:19 |
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| tfukushima | baohua: But another problem is libnetwork doesn't pass the name of the network. | 03:19 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: not yet :-) we could perhaps propose it to be passed along to the remote driver routines? | 03:20 |
| baohua | hmm, so could we push libnetwork for a update? | 03:20 |
| tfukushima | So if you want to make the name of the network synced between Neutron and libnetwok, we need to pass the duplicated name -o name=foo. | 03:20 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, nice idea | 03:21 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: -o name=foo seems like a workaround to a limitation in the information available | 03:21 |
| baohua | it works haha | 03:21 |
| tfukushima | But what if there're multiple networks with the same name? | 03:23 |
| fawadkhaliq | that's fine, name can be same. | 03:23 |
| baohua | i think we use id for lookup | 03:23 |
| vikasc | this is possible in neutron only i guess and not in libnetwork | 03:23 |
| vikasc | baohua, makes sense | 03:24 |
| tfukushima | baohua: You mean the Docker's network ID? | 03:25 |
| fawadkhaliq | so given gsagie's proposal on tags is approved, we could just use that to store the docker network ID and name from libnetwork maps to name in Neutron | 03:25 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, in docker network names are unique only i think | 03:26 |
| baohua | the assumption is if we can use kuryr to make same network id in both libnetwork and neutron. i think name is only for human read. | 03:26 |
| baohua | so we may use different names | 03:26 |
| tfukushima | We don't have the field where we can store Docker's network ID. That's why I told we needed Gal's tag proposal. | 03:27 |
| fawadkhaliq | baohua: I am assuming you are referring to same network ID using the tagging mechanism gasgie proposed, right? | 03:27 |
| tfukushima | If we use Neutron only through Kuryr, that's Ok. | 03:28 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: +1 | 03:28 |
| fawadkhaliq | and good point tfukushima | 03:28 |
| fawadkhaliq | this only works with Neutron. | 03:28 |
| baohua | yes | 03:28 |
| tfukushima | Ok, anyways we need more discussion with the detailed doc. I'll come up with some soon. | 03:29 |
| fawadkhaliq | my concern with -o approach for name is that user/client could pass different name in -o name=foo than the actual name in libnetwork and then that's an interesting situation. | 03:29 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: +1 | 03:29 |
| baohua | yes, it seems only a workaround | 03:30 |
| tfukushima | We need to figure out the better way. But it'd be the starting point. | 03:31 |
| baohua | sure | 03:32 |
| fawadkhaliq | tfukushima: agree | 03:32 |
| tfukushima | Actually I'm not sure when the tag feature would be implemented. | 03:32 |
| tfukushima | This could be a long way. | 03:32 |
| tfukushima | So let's go to the next subtopic. | 03:33 |
| vikasc | sure | 03:33 |
| tfukushima | #action tfukushima and apuimedo write the spec for reusing the existing network. | 03:33 |
| tfukushima | "banix to finish implementation of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/kuryr-config" | 03:34 |
| tfukushima | banix told me he was working on it and he would finish it this week. | 03:34 |
| tfukushima | #link banix's config patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251532/ | 03:34 |
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| tfukushima | I'll add you to reviewers. | 03:35 |
| tfukushima | #info Please add reviewers when you submitted patches. | 03:35 |
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| vikasc | will review | 03:35 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks, I will review | 03:35 |
| baohua | will review | 03:35 |
| tfukushima | "check with kuba for an estimation on when we'll have conntrack in master" | 03:36 |
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| tfukushima | Does anyone know about it? I'm not familiar with the topic honestly. | 03:36 |
| fawadkhaliq | yes | 03:36 |
| fawadkhaliq | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1461000 | 03:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461000 in neutron "[rfe] openvswitch based firewall driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Jakub Libosvar (libosvar) | 03:36 |
| fawadkhaliq | #link https://review.openstack.org/249337 | 03:36 |
| fawadkhaliq | its a WIP | 03:37 |
| fawadkhaliq | but recently updated | 03:37 |
| tfukushima | Good. | 03:37 |
| vikasc | fawadkhaliq, why we are interested in this? | 03:38 |
| vikasc | or how is it related to us | 03:38 |
| fawadkhaliq | to not need to worry about hybrid networking model with linux bridges and OVS | 03:38 |
| fawadkhaliq | for vif binding | 03:38 |
| vikasc | okk | 03:38 |
| vikasc | got i | 03:38 |
| vikasc | got it | 03:38 |
| vikasc | fawadkhaliq, thanks | 03:39 |
| tfukushima | Any other updates on that subtopic? | 03:39 |
| fawadkhaliq | nope, that seems like it. | 03:40 |
| tfukushima | Ok. | 03:40 |
| tfukushima | "irenab, tfukushima and banix to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241134/ and either make it change to disabled-not-configurable or approve" | 03:40 |
| fawadkhaliq | merged! :-) | 03:40 |
| tfukushima | The patch was merged already. Thanks vikasc. | 03:40 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, thanks :) | 03:40 |
| tfukushima | Ok, let's move the next topic. | 03:41 |
| tfukushima | #topic Binding (Plug/Inplug) | 03:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Binding (Plug/Inplug) (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:41 | |
| tfukushima | "diga to submit the ovs binding patch by ~ 2015-11-24" | 03:41 |
| tfukushima | "Since no progress has been made and this work item is blocking other efforts, banix will upload a patch shortly" | 03:41 |
| tfukushima | So banix told me he would take care of it and submit his patch. | 03:42 |
| vikasc | i will be back in 5 mins | 03:42 |
| tfukushima | "irenab to check re-usability of https://github.com/openstack/os-vif https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193668/5/specs/mitaka/approved/os-vif-library.rst" | 03:42 |
| tfukushima | She's still working on it, I guess. | 03:42 |
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| tfukushima | #topic Devstack | 03:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Devstack (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:43 | |
| vikasc | hi | 03:44 |
| tfukushima | So some devstack patches were merged and we have another one for the OpenStack CI. | 03:44 |
| vikasc | dont know what i missed | 03:44 |
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| fawadkhaliq | vikasc: not much ;) | 03:44 |
| tfukushima | #link devstack with Kuryr for the CI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250604/ | 03:44 |
| vikasc | great :) | 03:44 |
| tfukushima | #link Gal's devstack patch merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242838/ | 03:45 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks, just reviewed | 03:45 |
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| tfukushima | #link Gal's fix for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250610/ | 03:45 |
| tfukushima | So I think we have the devstack env out of the box. | 03:46 |
| tfukushima | Thanks Gal, vikasc for the vagrant work. | 03:46 |
| tfukushima | #topic IPAM | 03:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IPAM (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:46 | |
| vikasc | tfukushima, my pleasure :) | 03:46 |
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| tfukushima | vikasc: Could you give us your updates on this topic? | 03:47 |
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| vikasc | ipam driver is almost complete except addressing few review comments. | 03:48 |
| tfukushima | #link Vikas' IPAM patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248042/ | 03:48 |
| vikasc | one imp point is whether we should run this as single process with network driver or seperate | 03:49 |
| tfukushima | #link A patch for /IpamDriver.ReleaseAddress https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251251/ | 03:49 |
| vikasc | Few changes are also needed in CreateEndpoint like removing subnet creation part and fetching port created by IpamDriverRequestAddress, that i will be completing shortly | 03:50 |
| vikasc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kuryr/+bug/1521111 | 03:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521111 in kuryr "Add logic in /NetworkDriver.CreateEndpoint to use ipam created port" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to vikas choudhary (choudharyvikas16) | 03:51 |
| tfukushima | I prefer to put the network driver and the IPAM driver together in the same process because it's simpler. We'd eventually make Kuryr containerised and it'd be easier in my opinion. | 03:51 |
| tfukushima | vikasc: In that case /NetworkDriver.CreateEndpoint and /NetworkDriver.DeleteEndpoint would be almost empty but am I understanding correctly? | 03:52 |
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| vikasc | createendpoint will have logic to fetch port created by Ipam | 03:52 |
| vikasc | and in case built-in ipam is used port will be created also | 03:53 |
| tfukushima | vikasc: And does it associate with the given EndpointID? | 03:53 |
| vikasc | in ipam there is no endpoint id info | 03:54 |
| vikasc | but createendpoint wil update port with endpoint id | 03:54 |
| tfukushima | I see. | 03:54 |
| tfukushima | I need to take a look at your patch deeper. | 03:54 |
| vikasc | i will appreciate that | 03:55 |
| tfukushima | Ok, we have 5mins left. Let's move on. | 03:55 |
| tfukushima | #topic External Network Connectivity | 03:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "External Network Connectivity (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 03:55 | |
| vikasc | this createendpoint related changes i will push today or by tommorrow | 03:55 |
| tfukushima | The last topic. | 03:55 |
| tfukushima | Ok. | 03:55 |
| tfukushima | As I told in the beginning we can pass anything with -o. So this would make it easier to implement this external network connectivity. | 03:56 |
| vikasc | tfukushima, true | 03:56 |
| tfukushima | vikasc: Any other updates? | 03:57 |
| vikasc | nothing else from my side | 03:57 |
| vikasc | one thing | 03:57 |
| vikasc | are we looking at kubernetees and magnum networking also | 03:57 |
| vikasc | should we be more attentive on these? | 03:58 |
| baohua | i think neither has specific networking backend. | 03:58 |
| tfukushima | Yes we're. | 03:58 |
| baohua | they leverage existing mechanisms | 03:58 |
| vikasc | but do we need some extra effort to support these on top of supporting plain docker | 03:59 |
| fawadkhaliq | vikasc: we might have to | 03:59 |
| tfukushima | Ok, we're running our time out. | 03:59 |
| baohua | sure, there should be some | 03:59 |
| tfukushima | #info tfukushima, fawadkhaliq, vikasc, baohua is in the meeting, BTW | 03:59 |
| vikasc | thanks everybody | 03:59 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks | 04:00 |
| fawadkhaliq | bye! | 04:00 |
| baohua | thanks everyone, bye~ | 04:00 |
| tfukushima | Good. Thanks everyone. Let's have more discussion on #openstack-kuryr. | 04:00 |
| tfukushima | #endmeeting | 04:00 |
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| vikasc | bye | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 04:00:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-12-01-03.00.html | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-12-01-03.00.txt | 04:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-12-01-03.00.log.html | 04:00 |
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| flaper87 | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita, mclaren, dhellmann, jokke_ | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance Drivers | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 13:59:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 13:59 | |
| dhellmann | o/ | 13:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-drivers-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | that's our agenda for today | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | assuming ppl will show up | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: hey :D | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | hi, flaper87 | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | hello | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: yoooo! | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | mmh, so, we're missing mclaren and nikhil | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | I guess I can go through the spec lite myself and provide comments there | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | that means we assign all of the work to them and go home, right? | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: what do you say if we talk about the import process now? | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | sure | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: exactly! | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: have you had a chance to read the latest versions of the import process? | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Mitaka-glance-image-import-reloaded-7 | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | (that's not the latest version, just some questions i have) | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | \o | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | yup | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : when was that updated? I didn't look at it yesterday | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: this morning | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | well, this morning East Coast time | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita : ok, I'll put it on my list for today | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: thanks, it's a big change from the previous patch set, probably too much so | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | hmm, ok | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | I've a list of things I'd like us to start agreeing on so that we can start closing parts of the proposal | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | oh mmh, I think I haven't read the latest I guess | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | I read it last week and commented on it | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: i just responded | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | did not revise yet | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | ah ok | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | in that case, lets discuss this once we're all up to date with the latest version. | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | there's no point on discussing this now | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | I'll comment on the etherpad! | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : I think rosmaita is saying the latest version hasn't been published, yet? | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: the latest patch set is 6, not sure you saw it | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | you didn't leave comments | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | but, lots of other people did and don't like PS 6 | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | so i will revise, but need a bit of guidance | 14:07 |
| mclaren | sorry I'm late | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll read that one. the ps7 comment at the end confused me | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | hence the etherpad | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | yeah, PS6 is the one I commented on last week | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: yeah, sorry about that | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | Ok, lets comment on that one and talk about it again later | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | One more comment before we change topics | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to start closing ends on the proposal. It's already too late and I believe we'll have to start making hard decisions starting next week on what we'll work on and ohw it'll look like. | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | hope that makes sense | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: i agree | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | coolio! | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | in that case, lets talk about lite specs now that we have more folks | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | #topic Spec lite | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec lite (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:10 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=spec-lite | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | Those are the ones for glance | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1501233 | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1501233 in Glance "DB downgrade doesn't be supported in OpenStack Now" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to wangxiyuan (wangxiyuan) | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | This one we agreed on at the summit | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | first warning and then removal | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | I'll go ahead and triage that | 14:11 |
| nikhil | hi, sorry for being late. | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | unless there are objections | 14:11 |
| * nikhil read through the convo | 14:11 | |
| mclaren | should the docker one be in the spec-lite list? | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: we just started discussing lite specs | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: it should if it was filed | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1513973 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513973 in Glance "Add support for additional signature types" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Brianna Poulos (brianna-poulos) | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: no objection, we should be consistent with openstack in general | 14:12 |
| nikhil | flaper87: ah cool. I thought there was a full spec for downgrade, was that abandoned? | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil: there's one BUT that's for the removal. We asked to file one for the warning just to be able to track it in the spec | 14:12 |
| * mclaren added the docker one | 14:13 | |
| nikhil | gotcha | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | the next one was also discussed at the drivers meetup in Tokyo | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | (or wsa it in the signature session?) | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | anyway | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | we asked Brianna to file a lite spec for this | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | I think we're in agreement unless nikhil (or others) have objections | 14:14 |
| nikhil | is this related to checksum ? | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | i have a second-hand question on brianna's spec | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | i think it requires a fairly recent openssl version that isn't supported on all operating systems that might be used to run glance | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | actually, I just read through it again. AFAIR, from the mailing list thread, the feedback was to support just 1 signature type | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | I need to read that again | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | and i believe the openssl is a platform dependency, not pip? | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ohhh, does it? That's a very good catch | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | hemanth pointed that out to me yesterday | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | (or something like that, i wasn't quite paying full attention) | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | can it be coded to look at the openssl version and adjust the signature types appropriately? | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: I guess, I wonder if that's going to break glance if openssl is "suddenly" updated | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | and then the signatures change | 14:17 |
| * flaper87 shrugs | 14:17 | |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: it'd be cool to bring that question to the spec | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: if you don't mind :D | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | it may be a problem already with the current release | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : why would existing signatures change? | 14:17 |
| nikhil | it's interesting as I can't point out from the code about that deps | 14:17 |
| nikhil | looks like there's something automagical depending on openssl version, would like to know more | 14:18 |
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| rosmaita | i will take an action item to get hemanth to bring this up at thursday meeting | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: I thought you were proposing that it would use a different signature type depending on the openssl version | 14:18 |
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| flaper87 | well, the type needs to be stored somewhere I guess | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : it could generate new signatures differently, but support existing types | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:19 |
| nikhil | flaper87: but aren't signatures issued as extra-properties? | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | is the signature type something the deployer configures? | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: that's one of the things that was discussed and as of the last discussion on the mailing list, I seem to remember we decided not to allow for it to be configured | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I'll re-read that thread and comment back | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | ok, we need to move on to be able to review other lite-specs. Looks like this one needs some more discussions | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | sure, having it be static makes sense | 14:20 |
| nikhil | if deployer runs into a situation where the schema-image.json says on type of signature and then configurations puts other types all by itself without attention on if they are protected or not!? | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1517643 | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1517643 in Glance "VMware: metadata definition for QoS resource allocation" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Giridhar Jayavelu (gjayavelu) | 14:20 |
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| flaper87 | I don't have anything against that lite-sec except that I don't have much knowledge on what it's proposing | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | since it's "just" metadef, I think we're good | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: +1 | 14:21 |
| nikhil | from the tile it looks like adding more default json files | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | objections? | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | you know, i wonder i should be using metadefs in the import spec | 14:22 |
| mclaren | I don't know much about this either... wasn't there a nova bug filed to say on the whole image should be signed? | 14:22 |
| nikhil | yep, that's about it on metadefs | 14:22 |
| nikhil | +1 from me | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | I'll triage it after the meeting | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1519402 | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1519402 in Glance "Add docker container format to defaults" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to David McNally (dave-mcnally) | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | That'd be the docker containers one | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | we discussed this at our last glance meeting | 14:23 |
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| mclaren | I think nikhil was wondering about api impact? | 14:23 |
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| flaper87 | There seemed to be agreement on having it | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | we just wanted a lite spec to be filed | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | Any objections? | 14:23 |
| mclaren | there's just a comment on the code about api impact from nikhil | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | yeah, nikhil want to share? | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | we still have 6 mins | 14:24 |
| mclaren | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249282/ | 14:24 |
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| nikhil | I can wait | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | if adding a new container type will have an APIImpact, I believe we have a problem in our API | 14:25 |
| * nikhil needs to figure out what has been shared by me and what not | 14:25 | |
| flaper87 | (another one, I should say) | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:25 |
| mclaren | lol | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | I'll put this one on hold until next week: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1519402 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1519402 in Glance "Add docker container format to defaults" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to David McNally (dave-mcnally) | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | We don't have enough time to discuss it and I do have some comments | 14:26 |
| mclaren | ok, maybe on Thurs? | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | I'll comment on the bug so we're all aligned for next week | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to discuss lite-specs during the drivers meeting | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | mostly because it's the time reserved for that | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | Otherwise, we can just go back to having a single meeting | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | :D | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i think part of the problem is that the glance schemas aren't versioned | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Glance Drivers)" | 14:27 | |
| mfedosin | hey | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | pls, review the contribution guidelines patch :D | 14:28 |
| mclaren | right, but an operator can change it, eg to remove docker, even if we were on a next version | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: or add it | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | I want to show you Darja's spec about filtering | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: that merged already | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: nice | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246971/7 | 14:28 |
| * flaper87 was away yday | 14:28 | |
| mfedosin | jokke_: you promised to review ;) | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | there are no new indexes | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: has that been reviewed by the API-WG ? | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | and performance is very good | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | It'd be awesome to have them chime in | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | I added Ryan Brown there | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | results http://pixs.ru/showimage/yotxru1png_2430090_19659184.png | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | chase him and Jay down | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: new rev ... will do :) | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | jokke_: thanks! | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | ok, we're out of time! | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | thanks everyone | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | and remove -2, please | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | thanks! | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 14:30:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-12-01-13.59.html | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-12-01-13.59.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-12-01-13.59.log.html | 14:30 |
| mclaren | thanks | 14:30 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 15:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #link agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20151201 | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 15:00 |
| clayton | o/ | 15:00 |
| yottatsa | hi | 15:00 |
| iurygregory | o/ | 15:00 |
| degorenko | hi o/ | 15:00 |
| mkarpin | hi | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #topic Review past action items | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review past action items (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
| EmilienM | yottatsa follows-up aviator discussion on ML | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | yottatsa: I'm not sure I've seen that discussion | 15:00 |
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| yottatsa | EmilienM: I'm in process of further aviator assessment, I will report right after it | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | good | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | we don't have a big agenda today | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | so I created a topic | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic blueprint reviews | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | we have 2 blueprints | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | one for Mitaka from clayton : https://review.openstack.org/240515 | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | #link blueprint: Enhance inifile option deprecations spec https://review.openstack.org/240515 | 15:02 |
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| EmilienM | people interested in this work, could have a look | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | I already +2'ed it, feel free to review | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | clayton: anything you wanted to discuss about that one? | 15:03 |
| xarses | hi | 15:04 |
| clayton | nope, but I'd be glad to answer questions | 15:04 |
| clayton | now, or later in #puppet-openstack if anyone would like | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | cool | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | #link Domain scoped object should have a domain name https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219127/ | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | this one is modifying a kilo blueprint | 15:04 |
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| EmilienM | I'm not sure why we're doing that actually | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | gilles is offline, maybe chem knows? | 15:05 |
| chem | no, It was a bit before I entered the project | 15:05 |
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| chem | I think this should go in liberty | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | I'm not sure we need to amend the blueprints after a release | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | morever, the code is already merged afik | 15:06 |
| chem | EmilienM: that's correct. | 15:06 |
| iurygregory | +1 | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | I'll comment on gerrit | 15:06 |
| chem | ack | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | the agenda is done, I'll open the next topic | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage (submit modules to triage here) | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | there are a lot of patches about os_service_default, good to see the progress on it | 15:07 |
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| mkarpin | Hi yeah | 15:08 |
| mkarpin | just wanted to ask about review | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | clayton: have you noticed some (internal) CI issues with that feature? | 15:08 |
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| clayton | nope, we don't run the upstream tests when we do internal CI though, since we assume it has already passed | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | clayton: I know your company CI also provide good feedback | 15:08 |
| clayton | we do puppet catalog compiles, and we haven't seen issues there. | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | is it everything ? : https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:os_service_default+status:open,n,z | 15:09 |
| mflobo | Hi all, I just would like to mention that I started to push puppet-ec2api module https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251857/ | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | mkarpin: why don't use the same topic as others? | 15:10 |
| mkarpin | oh nope | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | mkarpin: it would be easier for reviewers | 15:10 |
| mkarpin | sorry i will use | 15:10 |
| mkarpin | it | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | mflobo: nice! | 15:10 |
| iurygregory | EmilienM, we are working to move the undef in some modules | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | mflobo: you'll also need to patch governance | 15:10 |
| mflobo | EmilienM, yes, thanks | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | mflobo: ec2api is packaged in UCA or/and RDO ? | 15:11 |
| iurygregory | good luck mflobo =) | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: example? | 15:11 |
| mflobo | EmilieM, acutally RDO RPM is on going https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1272332 | 15:11 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1272332 in Package Review "Review Request: openstack-ec2-api - Support of EC2 API for OpenStack" [Medium,On_qa] - Assigned to karlthered | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | great | 15:12 |
| iurygregory | https://trello.com/c/XLJJJBF0/71-move-modules-to-the-os-service-default-pattern | 15:12 |
| iurygregory | i've moved modules with db bug, now i'm working on keystone to move the undef to os_service_default | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | degorenko, sbadia: can you rev again https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250770/ ? I addressed a commont from denis | 15:13 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: sure! | 15:13 |
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| EmilienM | iurygregory: oh that's 'os_service_default', yeah | 15:14 |
| iurygregory | yeah =) we have a lot of work to do | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory, degorenko: I was wondering, in all os_service_default patches, why unit tests are testing with value('SERVICE DEFAULT) instead of testing ensure absent? | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | _ody: are you around? I saw your's working on puppet4/beaker | 15:15 |
| iurygregory | let me see | 15:16 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, because we have resource project_config with our fact | 15:16 |
| degorenko | we should test not exactly config file | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | mhh | 15:17 |
| degorenko | we should test what will be putted into config file | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | at the end, we want to make sure the resource is absent | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: what is put in the config file is absent | 15:17 |
| degorenko | that's true | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | so why don't we actually test it? | 15:17 |
| degorenko | but we have resource with value <SERVICE DEFAULT> | 15:17 |
| degorenko | our fact - it is just a string | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | ok, it does not matter, I was just wondering :) | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | do we have anything else for today? | 15:18 |
| degorenko | :) if you want discuss it, i can explain with examples | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: yeah, we can follow-up on #puppet-openstack | 15:18 |
| degorenko | sure | 15:18 |
| _ody | EmilienM: I am. Got out of bed a few minutes late. | 15:19 |
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| _ody | I am going to go get coffee and wake up. | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | _ody: what's up about CI? | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | I think he left | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | I'm closing the meeting | 15:20 |
| _ody | It works but I'd like to phase it by running old and new test in tandem on puppet-cinder for a week before replacing current beaker | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | ah | 15:20 |
| saneax | o/ | 15:20 |
| _ody | We'll just need to talk about it later, to early for me. | 15:20 |
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| EmilienM | _ody: could you remind us what you're doing? | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | _ody: ok, ttyl on our irc channel | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | have a great day everyone | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 15:21:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-12-01-15.00.html | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-12-01-15.00.txt | 15:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-12-01-15.00.log.html | 15:21 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 16:01:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| mugsie | o. | 16:01 |
| mugsie | so - whos here? | 16:01 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | Present | 16:02 |
| mugsie | courtesy ping xgerman dougwig | 16:02 |
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| xgerman | thanks | 16:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Mid Cycle | 16:03 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 16:03 |
| mugsie | seen as there is no action items | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | Does Seattle the week after San Antonio suit people? | 16:03 |
| mugsie | my boss has provisionally approved it | 16:04 |
| xgerman | not sure | 16:04 |
| johnsom | Assuming I get travel approved, I can do that | 16:04 |
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| mugsie | johnsom: I think you should be OK - but ping him | 16:04 |
| mugsie | dougwig: that OK with you? | 16:04 |
| johnsom | (though it is a cheap trip for me) | 16:04 |
| dougwig | mugsie: yes, i can do that. the last week of jan doesn't work, but the third is fine. | 16:04 |
| mugsie | yeah, last week on Jan is out for me - I am going to FOSDEM | 16:05 |
| xgerman | I like combining as many mid cycles as possible — so maybe we should open up FWaaS and LBaaS :-) | 16:05 |
| mugsie | So I would suggest 23rd - 25th | 16:05 |
| mugsie | would give me 2 days to sync with SEA people | 16:05 |
| johnsom | 23-25th is a weekend right? | 16:06 |
| mugsie | johnsom: good catch | 16:06 |
| mugsie | 20-22 | 16:06 |
| johnsom | Yeah, that works for me. | 16:06 |
| dougwig | any date range is fine for me; boise is a direct flight, so i don't need a travel day. | 16:07 |
| mugsie | gives people a few days breathing room after the LBaaS one | 16:07 |
| johnsom | +1 thanks! | 16:07 |
| mugsie | cool. I will send an email to the list when I get details sorted this week | 16:07 |
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| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 16:07 |
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| mugsie | SO - I finally started dev work \o/ | 16:08 |
| johnsom | Nice! | 16:08 |
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| mugsie | basic services and versioned_objects so far | 16:08 |
| dougwig | sweet. got a wip up yet? | 16:08 |
| johnsom | I was just looking | 16:08 |
| johnsom | Nothing up for review | 16:08 |
| mugsie | not yet - will be next few days | 16:09 |
| johnsom | Cool, it will be great to have a skeleton to build on at the mid-cycle | 16:09 |
| mugsie | (I have management in twon this week, so that hamperes dev) | 16:09 |
| mugsie | they like to take up time | 16:10 |
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| mugsie | any other topics? | 16:10 |
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| dougwig | move to adjourn | 16:11 |
| mugsie | agree | 16:11 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 17:00:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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| vishwanathj | o/ | 17:01 |
| bobh | o/ | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | who is here for tacker ? | 17:01 |
| sripriya | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: bobh: sripriya: hi there! | 17:01 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: good morning | 17:02 |
| vishwanathj | good morning everyone | 17:02 |
| sripriya | hello tackers | 17:02 |
| santoshk | Hello all.. | 17:02 |
| sridhar_ram | lets starts in a min... | 17:02 |
| brucet | hello | 17:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 17:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Nov_30.2C_2015 | 17:03 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair bobh sripriya | 17:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bobh sridhar_ram sripriya | 17:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcment | 17:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | A quick reminder on Mitaka Schedule.. | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 17:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | We are close to end of mitaka-1 dev cycle | 17:05 |
| sridhar_ram | as we have seen in other projects.. it is good to pack / pace up during the front end of a release cycle | 17:06 |
| sridhar_ram | so lets pick up some pace in reviewing the blueprints targeted for Mitaka ... | 17:06 |
| sridhar_ram | Lets see if we can land / merge the blueprints before the Dec holidays... approx Dec 2oth | 17:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | *20th | 17:08 |
| sridhar_ram | I'd also like to remind we are still shooting for what is mentioned in the mitaka priorities... | 17:08 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-mitaka-priorities | 17:08 |
| sridhar_ram | We got to prioritize things aimed for Mitaka among various other things we could work on.. | 17:09 |
| sridhar_ram | any questions ? | 17:09 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on... | 17:10 |
| brucet | Is there any development planned for monitoring feature? | 17:10 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: 20th should be hopefully fine to land our blueprints | 17:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | brucet: no, beyond what is done in Liberty - loadable health monitoring framework | 17:10 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: I sure believe we can...! | 17:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Mitaka Blueprint Updates | 17:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic TOSCA parser integration | 17:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: can you give a quick update ? | 17:12 |
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| bobh | The tosca-parser blueprint was approved last week, so I need to get that code finished and landed | 17:12 |
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| bobh | I have to write the heat-translator and tacker blueprints and get those going | 17:12 |
| bobh | I think the hard part will be the heat-translator work, but I need to look into that code more | 17:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: sounds good.. | 17:14 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: in fact, I'm curious how all this going to line up tacker --> tosca-parser --> heat-translator --> heat ... | 17:14 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: looking forward to read your BPs ! | 17:15 |
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| bobh | more like tosca-parser->heat-translator->tacker for the BP and code implementation path | 17:15 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I see | 17:15 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: quick note... I actively participate in OASIS tosca-nfv adhoc group... | 17:15 |
| LouisF | is there a link to the bp? | 17:16 |
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| brucet | Same questin from me | 17:16 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I can help to clarify some of the normative type references | 17:16 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: great - that will be a big help | 17:17 |
| bobh | tosca-parser BP is here: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tosca-parser/+spec/tosca-nfv-support | 17:17 |
| LouisF | bobh: thanks | 17:17 |
| bobh | heat-translator and tacker BPs are coming soon. | 17:17 |
| brucet | I was looking for link to heat-translator spec | 17:18 |
| brucet | Not yet | 17:18 |
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| brucet | Is there a spec for the Heat translator for Yaml profile? | 17:18 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: my biggest stick point is .. how we are going to co-exist with tosca-nfv profile and tacker related extensions | 17:19 |
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| s3wong | sorry, late --- didn't expect traffic to be this bad during holiday season | 17:19 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: the later will be the way of life in the near term.. | 17:19 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: that's a good question | 17:19 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: if you can propose some solutions in the BPs .. that will be great | 17:19 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: I'll see what I can come up with | 17:20 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: great.. no need to go deep here in this mtg now, we can take it up once the BPs show up | 17:20 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks for the update! | 17:20 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: anything else on tosca-parser ? | 17:20 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: not at this point | 17:20 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Tacker-SFC | 17:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: s3wong: LouisF: hi sfc folks! | 17:21 |
| trozet | hi sridhar_ram | 17:21 |
| sridhar_ram | did I miss any tacker-sfc subgroup members ? ;-) | 17:21 |
| LouisF | sridhar_ram: hi | 17:22 |
| LouisF | sridhar_ram: cathy is at another meeting | 17:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | LouisF: okay.. | 17:22 |
| sridhar_ram | Here is the BP #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228007/ | 17:22 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: s3wong: I see some good comments in the spec and in the OPNFC-SFC mailer | 17:23 |
| sridhar_ram | I think it is time to start wrapping up the BP work... | 17:23 |
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| trozet | yes | 17:23 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: can you give us the major outstanding items to discuss and decide ? | 17:24 |
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| trozet | sridhar_ram: i think the main thing that has been discussed some already is using abstract types | 17:25 |
| trozet | when defining the chain inpu | 17:25 |
| trozet | input* | 17:25 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: I think you mentioned we want to keep the scope narrow and not automatically spin up VNFs if missing | 17:25 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: yes, absolutely... | 17:25 |
| trozet | but I'm thinking we should allow for a user to specify abstract types as the chain definition (assuming those types already exist as VNF instances) | 17:26 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: IMO, that's a reasonable thing to incorporate.. | 17:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: that would mean we need to expand the tacker sfc-create API ? | 17:26 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: i was just thinking an extra param like --use-vnfds, to indicate when --chain is specified it is abstract types | 17:27 |
| u_kozat | Is there anything specified for VNF groups and load balancing preferences | 17:28 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram, trozet: the thing about this is we would need to cross check the abstract service type with VNFd | 17:28 |
| s3wong | it should be dynamically generated instead of coding the types into Tacker | 17:28 |
| trozet | s3wong: right, thats what my plan was have tacker SFC query the VNFM | 17:28 |
| trozet | s3wong: well it is dynamically generated by the type you declare in your VNFD right? cant that be any string? | 17:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: why do we need to care to categories VNFD type ? | 17:30 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: .. just trying to understand here, btw.. | 17:30 |
| s3wong | trozet: that's what I am thinking. It should just be an arbitrary string | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: why does Tacker get into the business of categorizing a VNF is nat vs dpi vs lb ? | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: .. that's going to be a long list .. vepc, vims, .etc .. perhaps I'm missing something here | 17:31 |
| sridhar_ram | ^vIMS | 17:31 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: I've always wondered that too | 17:32 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: we need to support the string as input for CLI, and for Horizon, a list of strings user can choose as chain nodes | 17:32 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: at time of deployment, we need to validate / verify the input can be supported by things that are already onboard | 17:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: I see.. purely as a cross-validation across vnfm realm and the SFC world ? | 17:33 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yep. We are orchestration layer, so we need to validate / verify what we pass on to drivers | 17:34 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: in the VNFD service_type: firewall is defined | 17:34 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: so tacker SFC would go check to see if there are any instances with that type if it was specified in a chain create cmd | 17:34 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: in short, you don't trust the operators would pick the correct VNFD in the chain sequence ? ;-) | 17:34 |
| LouisF | s3wong: is the intent to specify vnfd service types to be included in the chain? | 17:34 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: wouldn't we all wish we can :-) but we are talking about two places where inputs need to match, and human would be the one inputting them | 17:35 |
| s3wong | LouisF: yes. The ODL SFC folks are asking Tacker to orchestrate the chain (a template, if you will) by only specifying an abstract service type (a string) | 17:36 |
| u_kozat | s3wong, sridhar_ram: I think it would be too simplistic to just validate a chain based on a "service type" | 17:36 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: it is not just that.. we are asking the VNF vendors to correctly categorize their VNFs ..otherwise they wouldn't be accepted in the chain.. | 17:36 |
| s3wong | LouisF: rather than specifying the actual VNF instance, like trozet has implemented | 17:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: where will these majic strings come from ? don't tell me this will be iin ietf RFC ..! | 17:37 |
| LouisF | s3wong: agree on that idea | 17:37 |
| sridhar_ram | ulas: agree | 17:37 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that's right. I remember during our demo / prototyping phase, we allow specification of 'firewall' function out of OpenWRT (which can do other things like 'nat' and so on). My guess is we have asked vendors to specify functions. Though trozet mentioned that on ODL, the 'service type' needs to be unique, i.e. cisco-firewall or something) | 17:39 |
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| trozet | I think the question isnt should we validate the abstract type (i think thats an obvious yes), but is it OK to add support for specifying those abstract types in the chain as part of this spec | 17:40 |
| s3wong | u_kozat: one thing Danny Zhou asked for is that during the deployment phase, IF there isn't any deployed VNF that match a particular abstract service type, Tacker should deploy it | 17:40 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: A resounding .. OK for my side.. | 17:41 |
| s3wong | u_kozat: so --- in a way, to define a chain using abstract type, Tacker can only have abstract type to work against... | 17:41 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: just to be clear, I think there is a general consensus to have tacker create an abstract service chain type | 17:41 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: no, we can't do automatic VNF deployments based on SFC chain creation... | 17:42 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: that got to wait for a follow on BP .. we need to factor in NSD support to do that properly | 17:42 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: even if such VNFd is already onboard? | 17:42 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: yet | 17:42 |
| sridhar_ram | *yes | 17:42 |
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| trozet | s3wong: as sridhar_ram explained to me automatic spin up of VNF for a chain should be handled by a different NSD plugin to Tacker and not in the SFC orchestrator | 17:43 |
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| s3wong | trozet: well, that's OK. But it is an expected functionality in the future (I would imagine) | 17:44 |
| u_kozat | trozet: It seems to me a useful feature to spin up automatically based on a chain request | 17:44 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: if there is cycles and extra developers we can consider taking that up in the 2nd half of Mitaka | 17:44 |
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| trozet | u_kozat: its very useful indeed | 17:44 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: not suggesting that at all :-) (unless people want to volunteer) | 17:44 |
| sridhar_ram | ulas: s3wong: trozet: totally agree.. but we can't expand the current BPs scope too wide.. | 17:45 |
| trozet | yup | 17:45 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram, trozet: it is just that I view that having dynamic deployment based on chain definition is a perfect marriage and use case for integrating high-level SFC definition and a VNFM | 17:45 |
| sridhar_ram | remember - openstack digests better in small iterations.. | 17:45 |
| u_kozat | sridhar_ram: trozet: I agree. But we should put a placeholder or make a note somewhere. | 17:46 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: I don't what two different ways of doing that.. one the NSD way and another in the context of SFC chain creation | 17:46 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: we need to somehow gel those two together.. that's why I suggest to take it up in a follow on | 17:46 |
| trozet | u_kozat: I dont mind adding the logic to ask VNFM to spin up the instance if it is missing as a placeholder, im not sure if sridhar_ram would like to set that precedent though | 17:47 |
| u_kozat | sridhar_ram: SFC can consume NSD plugin | 17:47 |
| sridhar_ram | ulas: agree, trozet: please capture that in the BP | 17:47 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: ok I'll make a note in the spec that it will be handled by a future NSD plugin | 17:47 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: placeholder only in the BP and NOT in code, please | 17:48 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I don't want that neither. That said, I do think it is an essential functionality that needs to be taken by Tacker | 17:48 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: yup got it | 17:48 |
| sridhar_ram | ulas: if you look at ETSI MANO.. NSD is the starting point where SFC and VNFM workflows branch out | 17:49 |
| u_kozat | I have to leave now. | 17:49 |
| sridhar_ram | anyways, lets consider the current iteration as part 1 of a series of tacker-sfc work... | 17:50 |
| u_kozat | sridhar_ram: I will check it out | 17:50 |
| sridhar_ram | if there is enough interest and volunteers we can take up NSD / automatic VNF spawn work in a separate BP.. volunteers welcome! | 17:51 |
| sridhar_ram | just to conclude.. we have an agreement to do abstract-service chain .. | 17:51 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: as part of M cycle, right? (the abstract service chain support) | 17:51 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: yes | 17:52 |
| sridhar_ram | validation using service type "strings" is still a TBD in my opinion... trozet: s3wong: is that clear in your mind how you'll achieve that ? | 17:53 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that is something we need to look into | 17:53 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: i mean its pretty clear right, in tacker sfc i just query VNFM for the instance, make sure it exists, then figure out its service_type | 17:53 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: okay, lets keep it simple if possible for this iteration.. | 17:54 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: you will be updating the spec for abstract service types ? | 17:54 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: err sorry thats a little backwards in order of operations, but its the same idea | 17:54 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: assuming we require everything needs to be onboard and spawned before we can define a chain, then the service type info should be in DB | 17:54 |
| trozet | s3wong: exactly | 17:54 |
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| trozet | sridhar_ram: yeah i will add that to the spec | 17:55 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: but the abstract service chain can be defined even before spawning VNFs, correct ? | 17:55 |
| sridhar_ram | for eg : tacker sfc-chain-create --type abstract nat, firewall, dp | 17:56 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that's why I said (in the response to Danny Zhou) that we can ONLY validate when a chain is to be deployed | 17:56 |
| LouisF | sridhar_ram: abstract service type is specified for the chain, then vnfm is queried for instance? | 17:56 |
| sridhar_ram | tacker sfc-chain-apply -sfc-chain-type uuid-of-abstract-sfc-type ? | 17:57 |
| sridhar_ram | LouisF: vnfm will know the vnf instance type.. | 17:57 |
| LouisF | sridhar_ram: yes | 17:57 |
| sridhar_ram | folks - we are almost out of time... | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | lets continue this nice discussion in Tim's spec in the gerrit | 17:58 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: never expected SFC to be a 10 minutes topic :-) | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | please help to wrap up the spec ... ! | 17:58 |
| sridhar_ram | we will fine tune in future iterations ... | 17:59 |
| s3wong | trozet: are you going to update the spec soon? | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | .. as we learn more on sfc usage patterns | 17:59 |
| trozet | s3wong: yes i will do it tmrw | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | please also review other BPs for tacker mitaka! | 17:59 |
| sridhar_ram | multi-vim and auto-resource creation.. | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | alright.. it was a good discussion | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | Thanks! bye | 18:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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