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| zehicle | #startmeeting DefCore Flag.15 | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 16 15:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zehicle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: DefCore Flag.15)" | 15:00 | |
| zehicle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.15 | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore_flag_15' | 15:00 |
| eglute | o/ | 15:00 |
| kbaikov | o/ | 15:00 |
| zehicle | #chair eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker zehicle | 15:00 |
| zehicle | o/ | 15:00 |
| zehicle | roll call please | 15:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 15:00 |
| zehicle | please review the agenda - we have a lot of patches, so I'd like to make sure we have time for discussion if needed | 15:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 15:02 |
| hogepodge | Hello from Colorado | 15:02 |
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| eglute | hello hogepodge! | 15:02 |
| zehicle | :) | 15:03 |
| eglute | zehicle i think agenda looks good, full! first topic? | 15:03 |
| catherine_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| barrett | o/ | 15:03 |
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| zehicle | #topic scoring weights | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "scoring weights (Meeting topic: DefCore Flag.15)" | 15:03 | |
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| zehicle | markvoelker, I have not done anything. you? | 15:03 |
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| markvoelker | zehicle: I have a couple of things brewing. | 15:04 |
| markvoelker | I haven't put patches up yet b/c I've been spending time on scoring, but will put up a couple of RFC patches this week | 15:04 |
| zehicle | based on discussions, I think that we'll need to figure out balance w/ future direction weight | 15:04 |
| zehicle | or have a policy for consideration that we can treat objectively | 15:04 |
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| markvoelker | Going through some of the existing scoring patches has been useful on that front, as it's given me the chance to play with weights and see if they match up with gut feel. | 15:04 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: Yeah, I'll include some ideas around future direction (forward looking) and widely deployed (backward looking). | 15:05 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker to propose some RFC's for changing weights this week | 15:06 |
| zehicle | +1 | 15:06 |
| eglute | +1 | 15:06 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: in the interest of time, move on to next agenda item? | 15:06 |
| zehicle | #meeting year.next.hson | 15:06 |
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| zehicle | next.json this makes sense to me. | 15:07 |
| eglute | markvoelker made a good point with that i think | 15:07 |
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| eglute | i am ok with making that change! | 15:07 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: please do +1 or +2 it in gerrit then. =) | 15:07 |
| hogepodge | I'm +2 on it (literally) | 15:07 |
| eglute | so it would be just "next.json" correct? | 15:07 |
| hogepodge | yes | 15:08 |
| zehicle | that's my preference | 15:08 |
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| eglute | ok, there are several patches that talk about year. which one should go first? | 15:08 |
| catherine__ | I have a question related to how we defining capability .. | 15:08 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: they can both go in. 223243 is against 2015B and will have to get Board approval before we can implement it. | 15:09 |
| eglute | ok, thank you markvoelker | 15:09 |
| markvoelker | So in the meantime, 223234 sticks with current processes and is safe to land. | 15:09 |
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| * zehicle thinks that hogepodge and I want to skip the require vendors at this point. no action | 15:09 | |
| hogepodge | we can revisit it | 15:10 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: sure, what's the question? | 15:10 |
| zehicle | I think we can make the name change for now | 15:10 |
| catherine__ | so far, we define capabilities based on the tests on tempest ...while working on the Heat scoring , a few members of the Heat core team t | 15:10 |
| zehicle | and update 2015B to reflect it | 15:10 |
| zehicle | it's not a controversial change to the process. we should be OK | 15:10 |
| zehicle | just like schema changes | 15:10 |
| catherine__ | think that the tests covered are very limited ... so they would like first to define capabilities | 15:10 |
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| catherine__ | so some of the capabilities may not have tests associaged with it ... how do we deal with this situation? | 15:11 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: without tests we really couldn't enforce that vendors provide those capabilities in the same way. They need to add tests. | 15:11 |
| rockyg | o/ | 15:11 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, I think it's ok to jump to next.json if we've got 100% consensus on it. | 15:11 |
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| dwalleck | catherine__: ++ | 15:11 |
| zehicle | #meeting using Designated Sections to enforce API (214756) | 15:12 |
| zehicle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214756/ | 15:12 |
| catherine__ | the team thinks that we should list out the capabilities first and then pull in or create tests for them .. ofcourse we can score them low | 15:12 |
| catherine__ | uintil there are tests associated with it | 15:12 |
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| hogepodge | morgan feels very strongly about that patch, that apis are fundamentally important and need to be discoverable, and forcing 403 should be explicit policy | 15:13 |
| dwalleck | I'm always a fan of starting with a spec | 15:13 |
| hogepodge | I tend to agree with him, and think that enforcing with tests is too easy to slip up on. | 15:13 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: Without tests I'm not even quite sure what we'd be scoring...e.g. I can't look at a test and see "oh, they're basically saying the XXX API must work". | 15:13 |
| catherine__ | but right now the score matrix do have column defining whether tests exist .. | 15:13 |
| * zehicle sees what markvoelker did w/ 2016.next as bridge until 2015B lands. OK | 15:13 | |
| zehicle | I agree with the intent. just want to make sure that we're using the right mechanism to enforce | 15:14 |
| markvoelker | whoa, too many topics at once folks. =) Could we finish with catherine__'s question for a moment before we go on to the keystone thing? | 15:14 |
| zehicle | sorry, thought we'd jumped | 15:14 |
| zehicle | what's catherine__ question? | 15:15 |
| hogepodge | capability needs a test. If they want the capability, write the test. | 15:15 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: I think tests are pretty ingrained in all our processes at this point. For example: https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/doc/source/process/CoreDefinition.rst | 15:16 |
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| rockyg | We have more developers interestd in writing needed tests. Maybe a way to specify tests that we think are important? | 15:16 |
| catherine__ | Like Swift the Heat team thinks they have a rich set of in-tree tests .. but not in Tempest | 15:17 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: So I think what they want to do is drawn up a spec for what tests they want to add to Tempest rather than try to score something in DefCore for which no tests exist. | 15:17 |
| dwalleck | But if the tests weren't designed with defining a spec in mind, how can we say for sure it really defines a capability? I like the idea of the Heat team adding some additional tests that they think clearly define their capabilities | 15:17 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: Ah, so there are in-tree tests? Ok, slightly different answer then... | 15:17 |
| Sam_ | +1 dwalleck | 15:17 |
| catherine__ | yes there are in-tree tests .. | 15:18 |
| markvoelker | That would put them in the same boat as Swift where we need those tests to be runnable by Tempest via plugin so RefStack can consume them | 15:18 |
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| markvoelker | catherine__: make sense? | 15:18 |
| markvoelker | (for those who don't know what I'm talking about, see comments from midcycle in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164865/ ) | 15:19 |
| catherine__ | that bring us to another topic ... do we requre all test entry from tempest our RefStack needs a plugin itself? | 15:19 |
| eglute | does anyone know what the status of the tempest plugin is? | 15:19 |
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| hogepodge | mtreinish would like to see those tests moved over to tempest where feasible, but it's not a strict requirement now that we can use tempest plugins | 15:19 |
| hogepodge | eglute: for swift, in progress. | 15:20 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: My recollection from the midcycle is that we wouldn't necessarily rule out using something other than Tempest as an entry point... | 15:20 |
| hogepodge | plugins are going to be a big topic in tokyo, so it's something that's moving | 15:20 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: ...but there weren't really good reasons not do use Tempest | 15:20 |
| catherine__ | there is also talk about bringing in the EC2 test by Rsndy Bias team ... would tempest willing to bring those in? | 15:20 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: ....and it would make refstack a lot more complicated and put a burden on people trying to run tests in lots of different ways | 15:20 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: So tempest made the most sense. | 15:21 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, I remember the opposite. I thought we'd decided to only consider Tempest runnable | 15:21 |
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| hogepodge | zehicle: plugins to tempest are loaded when tempest is started, so produce the output in the same run if the plugin is available in the load path | 15:21 |
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| catherine__ | I prefer the tempest path because it make RefStack easy to consume ... just want to confirm on our direction going forward .. | 15:22 |
| zehicle | "#DECISION > even if we bringin in "non-Tempest" tests, they MUST still be gate tests" | 15:22 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: As for EC2, you'd have to ask the Tempest folks. Personally I guess I don't see why those wouldn't be runnable via plugin too, so could live in-tree for the ec2 api if temepst doesn't want them in tree. | 15:22 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: yes to that also. so swift tests are gate for swift project | 15:23 |
| zehicle | so, plug-ins would work | 15:23 |
| rockyg | The QA team perspctive is they are planning to be the repository for th tests DefCore use. | 15:23 |
| markvoelker | Ok, so sounds like we have an answer here... | 15:24 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: Anything else, or shall we move on to keystone? | 15:24 |
| catherine__ | that is it thx .. | 15:24 |
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| rockyg | But, I think it would be good if DefCore could broadcast intentions for interop by targeting capabilities as prospective core | 15:24 |
| zehicle | rockyg, ?? | 15:25 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: we already do that with advisory status | 15:25 |
| catherine__ | could we log our agreement here before go on to the next topic | 15:25 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: good idea | 15:25 |
| zehicle | what's the statement you want us to vote on? | 15:25 |
| rockyg | Not really. We say these are capabilities with tests we want, not capabilitis we want | 15:26 |
| zehicle | ah, rockyg. I'm not sure we're in a position to drive new capabilities. | 15:26 |
| catherine__ | That we agree for RefStack not to develop plug-in for tests... it will use tempest as the path for testing | 15:26 |
| rockyg | We only release list of tests. What we also need are list of capabilities that don't have tests. | 15:26 |
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| rockyg | Like what catherine__ said. zzero on tests, but identified as core on scoring. | 15:27 |
| rockyg | How do we let everyone knows it meets our requirements except tests? | 15:27 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: +1, that TC territory | 15:27 |
| markvoelker | catherine__: +1 | 15:27 |
| zehicle | and Product Group | 15:27 |
| hogepodge | catherine__: I'm not sure that was the agreement. I thought swift as a plugin was a thing we wanted to go forward on. Am I wrong about that? | 15:28 |
| rockyg | The capabilities are already there, just not the tests. | 15:28 |
| zehicle | catherine__, I'm confused now. I thought that plug-ins were ok | 15:28 |
| rockyg | hogepodge, right, but Refstack doesn't do the dev for plug-ins | 15:28 |
| catherine__ | it is not just for swift ...the next one is Heat ... | 15:28 |
| zehicle | as long as the tests could run from the Tempest framework | 15:28 |
| markvoelker | I'm reading that as "refstack will use tempest, which will have a plugin to run in-tree tests, so refstack doesn't need to develop it's own plugin" | 15:29 |
| rockyg | markvoelker, ++ | 15:29 |
| markvoelker | (which I think is fine) | 15:29 |
| catherine__ | matkvoelker: +2 | 15:29 |
| zehicle | ah, it's about Refstack! ok | 15:29 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: ok, fine with that. I'll take the action to move the plugin code that was submitted there to a more appropriate place | 15:29 |
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| zehicle | #vote DefCore requires that all considered tests be in-tree and runnable under Tempest (using project developed plug-ins are acceptable) | 15:30 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: amend to add "and gate tests for project" | 15:30 |
| zehicle | I think that is (should be) a Hacking entry | 15:30 |
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| zehicle | #endvote | 15:30 |
| catherine__ | #vote yes | 15:30 |
| zehicle | hold on... I did not start vote right | 15:31 |
| rockyg | you need to giv options? | 15:31 |
| zehicle | #startvote DefCore requires that all considered tests be in-tree and runnable under Tempest as gate tests for projects (using project developed plug-ins are acceptable) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 15:31 |
| zehicle | I don't know the vote syntax.... hold on | 15:32 |
| zehicle | can someone phrase the question? DefCore requires that all considered tests be in-tree and runnable under Tempest (using project developed plug-ins are acceptable) | 15:32 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: unless somebody objects, could we just use #agree? =) | 15:32 |
| rockyg | th options are th yes, no, etc | 15:32 |
| rockyg | How about anyone opposed to the proposal? If not, then we'll put it in as agreed | 15:32 |
| hogepodge | #startvote DefCore requires that all considered tests be in-tree gate testa and runnable under Tempest (using project developed plug-ins are acceptable)? yes, no | 15:33 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: DefCore requires that all considered tests be in-tree gate testa and runnable under Tempest (using project developed plug-ins are acceptable)? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:33 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:33 |
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| zehicle | lol, yes | 15:33 |
| markvoelker | #vote yes | 15:33 |
| hogepodge | #vote yes | 15:33 |
| rockyg | #vote yes | 15:33 |
| eglute | #vote yes | 15:33 |
| zehicle | #vote yes | 15:33 |
| hogepodge | notification of closing vote | 15:34 |
| tim_o | #vote yes | 15:34 |
| hogepodge | #endvote | 15:34 |
| openstack | Voted on "DefCore requires that all considered tests be in-tree gate testa and runnable under Tempest (using project developed plug-ins are acceptable)?" Results are | 15:34 |
| openstack | yes (6): rockyg, tim_o, markvoelker, eglute, hogepodge, zehicle | 15:34 |
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| Sam_ | #vote yes | 15:35 |
| rockyg | catherineD|2, you missed the vote. it passed | 15:35 |
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| eglute | next topic? | 15:35 |
| catherineD|2 | sorry lost connection ... | 15:35 |
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| catherineD|2 | thank YOU!!! | 15:35 |
| markvoelker | On to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214756/ now? | 15:36 |
| zehicle | #topic schema schange | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "schema schange (Meeting topic: DefCore Flag.15)" | 15:36 | |
| zehicle | let's do schema quickly first | 15:36 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223250/ | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | sure | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | So, the patch is fairly self-explanatory and these changes actually wouldn't break anythign for RefStack that I can tell. | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | It's mostly just tidying up | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | But if there are any other schema changes people have noticed we need, it would be good to propose those at some point too. This gets the ball rolling. | 15:38 |
| zehicle | ok, we can wait a week for other changes | 15:38 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker for getting it started | 15:38 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: I'd actually say let's merge this if people are ok with it and folks can submit further patches to the file. | 15:38 |
| hogepodge | it lgtm. We can apply to next.json after approval, but it's a good chance to really give the schema some thought, so agree with egle about letting it bake for a week. | 15:38 |
| markvoelker | All this does is start a definition, we don't have to move next Guideline to 1.4 immediately | 15:39 |
| zehicle | ok | 15:39 |
| zehicle | I'm ok to merge | 15:39 |
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| zehicle | done | 15:40 |
| eglute | cool, merging it! | 15:40 |
| eglute | i am too slow! | 15:40 |
| markvoelker | That was a speedy topic. =) Next? | 15:40 |
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| eglute | #topic all apis must exist in designated | 15:41 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214756/ | 15:41 |
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| eglute | i agree that apis must exist and be implemented properly, but i dont know that next.json is the right place | 15:41 |
| markvoelker | So on this one I think so far everyone agrees with the general intent, but there's a lot of disagreement that designated sections are the right way to accomplish it | 15:42 |
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| rockyg | So, this is very interesting. major influencers in dev are becoming aware of the usefulness of Defcore and this is one of the outcomes of the awareness. | 15:42 |
| markvoelker | E.g. designated sections are pointers to parts of the OpenStack code rather than a decree about server behavior | 15:42 |
| zehicle | does anyone want to speak in favor of DS as the approach to enforce? | 15:42 |
| zehicle | rockyg, :) | 15:42 |
| hogepodge | It becomes an enforceable part of the standard whether the test exists or not. It sends a clear message about the importance of api discoverability. I understand the dissent on the issue, though. | 15:43 |
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| hogepodge | zehicle: me | 15:43 |
| rockyg | I think this really is saying that it doesn't matter if you implemented, if you return the interop friendly 403 | 15:43 |
| zehicle | cool, I wanted someone to be able to explain the position | 15:43 |
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| hogepodge | a few things, the optional apis are never going to have capabilities associated with them, since they are optional. | 15:43 |
| hogepodge | so tests won't be enforced anyway | 15:43 |
| zehicle | because I consider the DS to be difficult to enforce | 15:43 |
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| zehicle | shouldn't that be part of technical review? | 15:44 |
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| hogepodge | zehicle: what do you mean? | 15:44 |
| zehicle | I'd expect that would be a coding issue on how the calls are structure? | 15:44 |
| rockyg | This really is to get all projects and all implementers to use the same code response to non-accessible code within the projects | 15:44 |
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| hogepodge | It's about discoverability and consistency. | 15:45 |
| zehicle | I think that if we have 100% of the require capabilities doing this in a tested way | 15:45 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: Hmm. Not so sure about that. If we had a test (or battery of tests) that tested that you got a proper response from the server whether a features was admin-disabled or not, we could require that test as a Capability | 15:45 |
| zehicle | then the optional ones would be highly motivated to follow suit | 15:45 |
| rockyg | This also means that anyone could write tests to verify behavior whether the api code exists or not | 15:45 |
| markvoelker | E.g. "keystone-server-correct-response" | 15:45 |
| zehicle | doesn't keystone provide a list of available APIs? | 15:45 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, +1 | 15:46 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: we then expand our capabilities to negative capabilities across the entire api, which adds confusion | 15:46 |
| catherineD|2 | for RefStackwill not know t hat there is a 403 returned ... RefStack only notes that it did not pass | 15:46 |
| zehicle | I have a lot of trouble believing something is that important to the API but fundamentally not API testable | 15:46 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: I'm not sure that's any less confusing than making a statement about it in designated sections | 15:46 |
| markvoelker | Less so, actually | 15:46 |
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| rockyg | A 403 is a proper response | 15:47 |
| rockyg | So the tst should pass | 15:47 |
| markvoelker | catherineDl2: refstack wouldn't have to know anything special. A Tempest test would be ridden that calls API's and checks that it either got a 200-series (it worked, capability supported) or a 403 (administratively disabled). | 15:47 |
| rockyg | But, we might want a way to identify that 403 was the response | 15:47 |
| markvoelker | IF so, the test passes. Otherwise it fails. | 15:48 |
| catherineD|2 | rockyg: Thx .. will double check on how subunit process 403 ... | 15:48 |
| zehicle | if 403 response is important to interop then we need a way to validate compliance | 15:48 |
| markvoelker | So from RefStack's point of view, it's just another test passing or faiing | 15:48 |
| eglute | so if not implemented, but returns 403, is a pass, then a regular "feature works" pass is also a pass | 15:48 |
| rockyg | 403 is very important for interop. That way, code can be written to deal with any 403 response | 15:48 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: RefStack right now take whatever status defined by subunit processing ... we can take a close look on that ... | 15:48 |
| hogepodge | it's saying that the api properly implements the response codes, not which apis are actually implemented. Only that anything administratively disabled sends the proper response (403) or is enabled. | 15:49 |
| zehicle | so, we are saying that some features can be disabled that that's ok for DefCore interop | 15:49 |
| eglute | rockyg i agree that it is important, but 403 is actually different from having that feature available for interop | 15:49 |
| zehicle | if the are not disabled, we expect them to work | 15:49 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: yes, we're trying to say that some features can be disabled, but they need to send a proper response if they are. | 15:49 |
| zehicle | is the problem that we don't want to require the features if the are enabled? | 15:50 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: some clouds use the load balancer to obscure error responses in the name of "security" | 15:50 |
| zehicle | I saw the thread | 15:50 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: exactly. The test passes if it receives either a 200 (feature implemented) or a 403 (admin disabled) but not if, say, it times out or gets back some other response from the vendor's API gateway | 15:50 |
| rockyg | eglute, right. That's why the designated section requirement. If Defcore requires the capability, but it's turned off, you get the 403, but the code "designated" | 15:50 |
| eglute | i think they mean for all apis to be responsive in some way | 15:50 |
| hogepodge | eglute: responsive in an actionable way | 15:51 |
| eglute | not just defcore capability required | 15:51 |
| rockyg | hogepodge, + | 15:51 |
| zehicle | using DS for that is a mess. since it's pretty easy for people to "have the code" | 15:51 |
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| rockyg | So, this review faces both the dev community and defcore | 15:51 |
| eglute | i think this should be listed separetely somewhere | 15:52 |
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| eglute | and maybe worded differently | 15:52 |
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| zehicle | especially since you are going to be using an API test to validate it anyway | 15:52 |
| hogepodge | I'm willing to cede the point. I do want to go on record that APIs need to behave in a predicatable and actionable way to support interoperability. I see the problems with using the designated section. | 15:53 |
| rockyg | zehicle, how do we handle inaccessible functionality that is "required" for Defcore, but not available to "user" (it's there for admin)? | 15:53 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, +1 | 15:53 |
| zehicle | rockyg, we don't require admin functions for that reason | 15:53 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: +1, I would love to see this general idea implemented (as tests =p) across all projects | 15:53 |
| eglute | should it be in https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/doc/source/process/2015B.rst | 15:53 |
| eglute | ? | 15:53 |
| hogepodge | rockyg: it's a fail. defcore tests are required to be non-admin. If there's a policy change to the api by the vendor it's not interoperable. | 15:53 |
| zehicle | I think 403 is a good step | 15:53 |
| zehicle | it allows the technical community to create an option in tests | 15:54 |
| zehicle | for APIs that are not always enabled. | 15:54 |
| hogepodge | I'll look at writing a test for it to add as a capability | 15:54 |
| zehicle | that allows us to bring in new capabilities without forcing everyone to add them | 15:54 |
| zehicle | but if they DO add them then we can ensure they are consistent | 15:54 |
| zehicle | my one hope is that we'd have refstack able to tell us if the pass is "PASS worked" or "PASS 403" | 15:55 |
| zehicle | I think that may be too much to ask for now | 15:55 |
| rockyg | zehicle, ++ | 15:55 |
| zehicle | because I really want to know the data of 403 vs enabled | 15:55 |
| zehicle | really, 403, enabled, not installed, not working. all four are valid data to collevt | 15:55 |
| markvoelker | OK, 5 minutes folks...anything else we need to cover today? | 15:55 |
| rockyg | This is an example where IRC is not as effective as voice to get through this discussion... | 15:55 |
| zehicle | #meeting next meeting agenda | 15:56 |
| zehicle | #topic next meeting agenda | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next meeting agenda (Meeting topic: DefCore Flag.15)" | 15:56 | |
| zehicle | At 14, we talked about making 16 also be interactive for scoring | 15:56 |
| zehicle | I think we should stick w/ that plan | 15:56 |
| eglute | +1 | 15:56 |
| catherineD|2 | +1 | 15:56 |
| zehicle | I've already setup the meeting invite and call in | 15:56 |
| markvoelker | works for me | 15:56 |
| zehicle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.16 | 15:56 |
| rockyg | ++ | 15:56 |
| zehicle | everyone should make sure the links and order are up to date | 15:57 |
| hogepodge | Yup. | 15:57 |
| zehicle | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: DefCore Flag.15)" | 15:57 | |
| hogepodge | Very good discussions about glance and neuton yesterday. | 15:57 |
| hogepodge | I'm going to send the scoring to the openstackdev mailing lest for community comment. | 15:57 |
| hogepodge | In particular, neutron, keystone, glance, and cinder scoring sheets. | 15:57 |
| zehicle | dhellmann, really did a good job w/ Glance issues | 15:58 |
| hogepodge | I want to take advantage of that conversational momentum. | 15:58 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, thanks +1 | 15:58 |
| hogepodge | Unless there are objections. | 15:58 |
| rockyg | And he's planning to be more Defcore inclusive in Mitaka | 15:58 |
| zehicle | would be great to have participation | 15:58 |
| eglute | +1 | 15:58 |
| rockyg | Look for major them of Mitaka to be interop | 15:58 |
| zehicle | please remind everyone that we are in DRAFTING phase | 15:58 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: just noticed the network scoring patch needs rebasing thanks to one of those merges. Will do that now before you send it out | 15:58 |
| hogepodge | ok, it will be later today. it's a travel day, and I need to hit the road as soon as this meeting ends | 15:59 |
| eglute | is networking ready to be merged otherwise? | 15:59 |
| hogepodge | I'll do it later today from the airport once I have settle time, or on the plane if there's wifi | 15:59 |
| markvoelker | eglute: IMO yes, but as the submitter I can't +1 it. =) Folks should review it. | 15:59 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 15:59 |
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| eglute | thanks everyone! great discussion today | 16:00 |
| zehicle | eglute, you can merge that one :) | 16:00 |
| eglute | will do! | 16:00 |
| zehicle | good meeting! | 16:00 |
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| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 16 16:00:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore_flag_15/2015/defcore_flag_15.2015-09-16-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore_flag_15/2015/defcore_flag_15.2015-09-16-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore_flag_15/2015/defcore_flag_15.2015-09-16-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| zehicle | and RIGHT ON TIME eglute | 16:00 |
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| rockyg | yay \o/ | 16:01 |
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| eglute | :D | 16:01 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 16 16:30:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| akwasnie | hi:) | 16:30 |
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| rhallisey | hey | 16:30 |
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| sdake | o/ folks :) | 16:30 |
| jmccarthy | o/ | 16:31 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:31 |
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| sdake | #topic LIberty rc1 planning | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "LIberty rc1 planning (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:32 | |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 16:33 |
| sdake | if folks pull that up, you will see we have a whole slew of blueprints and bugs for rc1 | 16:33 |
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| coolsvap | hello | 16:33 |
| sdake | first lets go through status reports of the blueprints not in the good progress or higher state | 16:33 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/logging-container | 16:34 |
| sdake | inc0 any update here? | 16:34 |
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| inc0 | few things to do on this one - optional bindmounting and Sam asked to provide keystone before merging initial patch | 16:35 |
| inc0 | I should be done with these 2 this week | 16:35 |
| inc0 | (was off for a week, hence time slip) | 16:35 |
| sdake | do you ahve to modify all the containers to add logging to them? | 16:35 |
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| inc0 | no, just ansible configs for services | 16:36 |
| inc0 | ansible-generated configs | 16:36 |
| sdake | ok i woudl like folks to keep in mind any blueprint not in good progress by the 18th (as defined by will finish by the 25th, our rc1 deadline) will be pushed to mitaka | 16:36 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-mongodb | 16:37 |
| sdake | coolsvap is that + ceilometer going to land for liberty? | 16:37 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-ceilometer | 16:37 |
| coolsvap | sdake, yes | 16:38 |
| coolsvap | on it | 16:38 |
| sdake | can you push a work in progress review so people can start commenting ? | 16:38 |
| coolsvap | yes will do that tonight or early morning tomorrow | 16:39 |
| sdake | cool | 16:39 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kolla-live-migration | 16:39 |
| sdake | rhallisey any update on this? | 16:39 |
| sdake | it says started, is it started? | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | just focusing on refactor | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | ya I started it a while back | 16:39 |
| sdake | should I push this off then to mitaka? | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | ya push it | 16:40 |
| sdake | SamYaple has about 6 blueprints but he isn't here | 16:40 |
| sdake | SamYaple if you happen to read later, can you focus on getting ceph in working order :) | 16:40 |
| sdake | TIA | 16:40 |
| inc0 | I'll ask him to review it tomorrow | 16:40 |
| inc0 | but knowing him he'll read through logs | 16:40 |
| sdake | bug triage | 16:41 |
| sdake | the bug tirage has been going well, however the bug fixing hasn't been going as well | 16:41 |
| sdake | If folks could assign themselves 1 or 2 bugs from the confirmed bugs, with the idea of fixing in the next 2-3 weeks that would be fantastici :) | 16:41 |
| sdake | we have 87 bugs targeted for this milestone | 16:42 |
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| sdake | the way i target bugs, is i ipull all bugs in and we work on the ones we can, and push what remains to the next release | 16:42 |
| sdake | we can't follow that pattern for rc2/rc3 | 16:42 |
| sdake | we need to actively fix all the critical/high bugs for rc2/rc3 | 16:43 |
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| sdake | any questions ? | 16:43 |
| rhallisey | sounds good | 16:43 |
| sdake | #topic properly scoping work | 16:43 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "properly scoping work (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:43 | |
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| sdake | for l1/l2/l3/rc1 we have had many more blueprints then peoples time available | 16:44 |
| sdake | we were successful in delivering all of our blueprints for l1/l2/l3 | 16:44 |
| pbourke_ | sorry Im late | 16:44 |
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| sdake | pbourke_ welcome :) | 16:44 |
| sdake | we also fixed a mountain of bugs | 16:44 |
| pbourke_ | stuck in hell that is keystone logging | 16:44 |
| pbourke_ | and forgot | 16:44 |
| sdake | but rc1 is likely going to see alot less blueprints implemented then were scheduled | 16:45 |
| sdake | sprints are about 1 month in duration | 16:45 |
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| sdake | what I'd like to see during the Mitaka cycle is that people that commit to delivering a blueprint or two only commit to their capacity | 16:45 |
| sdake | for an example of this, I have two blueprints: | 16:45 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/upgrade-strategy | 16:46 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/rhel-based-image-support | 16:46 |
| sdake | only one will finish for rc1 | 16:46 |
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| sdake | it is hard for me to be inside everyone's head around their own capacity | 16:46 |
| sdake | which means its hard to plan the project :) | 16:46 |
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| sdake | don't be afraid to say a blueprint isn't going to make it early in the sprint | 16:47 |
| coolsvap | agreed | 16:48 |
| sdake | I'd like to not operate over capacity for our team as it triggers burnout | 16:48 |
| sdake | it works for short periods but not long term | 16:48 |
| sdake | Kolla is in fantastic shape heading into Mitaka and we have alot of interest in our project | 16:48 |
| sdake | but if we become disinterested because of overcommitment, that isn't helpful | 16:48 |
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| sdake | marathon, not a race ;) | 16:49 |
| sdake | any questions ? :) | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | sounds good | 16:49 |
| coolsvap | agreed | 16:49 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:49 | |
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| sdake | i should have done this first but forgot | 16:49 |
| sdake | 1. rdo repos are down for scheduled maintenance as indicated by jpeeler | 16:50 |
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| jpeeler | they sent a follow up about mirroring it while down, but apparently are having problems currently | 16:50 |
| sdake | 2. all cores should vote on the proposal to permit or not permit integration with cinder, neutron, and paid distros | 16:50 |
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| sdake | if you dont vote, it is essentially like voting -1 | 16:51 |
| sdake | since we require a majority | 16:51 |
| sdake | if you want to vote -1 do that, but dont not vote :) | 16:51 |
| sdake | if folks dont vote, I don't know where the project cores stand | 16:51 |
| sdake | said proposal is on the mailing list | 16:51 |
| sdake | i need a conclusion to the vote this week because otherwise rhos wont make rc1 | 16:52 |
| coolsvap | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074310.html | 16:52 |
| sdake | some folks had talked about some various points they want enabled to accept stuff in | 16:53 |
| sdake | lets focus on the big picture (do we want to do it or not) first | 16:53 |
| sdake | and details second | 16:53 |
| sdake | my position is that I want to do what is in the best interest of the project, not be high-horsey about open source :) | 16:53 |
| sdake | please read the thread | 16:54 |
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| sdake | any annnouncements from the commnity? | 16:54 |
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| pbourke_ | nope | 16:54 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:54 |
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| sdake | so pretty light agenda for this meeting | 16:55 |
| coolsvap | I think we should also use the review for highlighting the core vote on the rhos | 16:55 |
| sdake | coolsvap lets just get it on the mailing list | 16:56 |
| coolsvap | for this particular review we should have all cores vote on the first review | 16:56 |
| sdake | that is super public | 16:56 |
| coolsvap | in addition to the mailing list | 16:56 |
| sdake | SamYaple wanted it somewhere more public then the gerrit review | 16:56 |
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| sdake | he asked, I delivered :) | 16:56 |
| coolsvap | alright | 16:57 |
| inc0 | don't we have session on "What do we support policy"? | 16:57 |
| inc0 | in tokyo? | 16:57 |
| sdake | its a policy decision not a technical matter | 16:57 |
| sdake | inc0 i dont think so, we dont support anything | 16:57 |
| inc0 | also, we did talk about this topic in midcycle a bit | 16:57 |
| sdake | inc0 we implement, other people support | 16:57 |
| inc0 | contrib stuff | 16:58 |
| jpeeler | support is quite an overloaded term | 16:58 |
| sdake | sup·port | 16:58 |
| sdake | give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act. | 16:59 |
| inc0 | someone want's to give us financial assistance? | 16:59 |
| sdake | a support organization takes our implementaiton and enables their customers to act | 16:59 |
| inc0 | wants* | 16:59 |
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| sdake | we have not built a support community | 17:00 |
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| sdake | not even neutron with over 100 person development team "supports" neutron | 17:00 |
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| sdake | I hope everyone understands this point :) | 17:01 |
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| sdake | postgresql got killed because they became popular and tried to support their software in the community | 17:01 |
| sdake | its an anti-pattern for dev teams and support teams to be one in the same IMNSHO | 17:01 |
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| sdake | I know it seems a bit quiet during this period of the dev cycle (between releases) | 17:02 |
| inc0 | let's not be popular then - no problem with support;) | 17:02 |
| sdake | its always like that | 17:02 |
| sdake | so for folks new to the quietness, don't stress - always happens with openstack projects | 17:02 |
| sdake | we have over 50 blueprints in our backlog that need prioritization | 17:03 |
| sdake | so we have plenty of work to do going forward :) | 17:03 |
| sdake | any other open discussion then? | 17:03 |
| sdake | cool thanks for coming :) | 17:03 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:03 |
| rhallisey | thanks | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 16 17:03:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:03 |
| inc0 | thank you all | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-09-16-16.30.html | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-09-16-16.30.txt | 17:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-09-16-16.30.log.html | 17:03 |
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| Piet | Will there be an operator meeting? | 18:05 |
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| setmason | Is there an agenda? | 18:07 |
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| Piet | Not that I know of | 18:12 |
| Piet | It would be interesting to take role to see if anyone is planning to attend | 18:12 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 16 20:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | anybody here for logging? bknudson jokke_ | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | I'm here yeah | 20:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | Heh. | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | hi bknudson | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | Hi. Just an FYI. the reason we haven't seen dhellmann is that he has a conflict at this time. | 20:02 |
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| Rockyg | Scheduling meetings going forward: anyone not ok with Friday around utc 1700 or 1800? | 20:03 |
| jokke_ | that sounds really stretching it | 20:03 |
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| jokke_ | and I'd say for whole EMEA | 20:04 |
| Rockyg | Yeah, I thought you might have an issue ;-) | 20:04 |
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| jokke_ | well, I might be joining from my local over phone irc, but don't expect anything sane or quick coming from that interface ;) | 20:05 |
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| Rockyg | Yeah. I was looking at the calendar and trying to figure out a reasonable day/time. Hah. | 20:07 |
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| jokke_ | is that only slot that does not overlap with anything else where people are tied in? | 20:07 |
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| Rockyg | Not sure. Can't get the OS calendar on my laptop at the moment, or on my IPad, so can't check. I'll get back to you guys on that. | 20:09 |
| jokke_ | k | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | #topic logging docs | 20:09 |
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| Rockyg | #info oslo doc sprint scheduled for 9/24 and 9/25 | 20:09 |
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| Rockyg | I started collecting doc info: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo.log_config-documentation | 20:11 |
| Rockyg | But it's actuall more than just config. It's stuff to document. | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | yeii | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | I've been going through some of the project docs to see what they have. | 20:12 |
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| Rockyg | The projects that have docs up on docs.openstack.org, when they have logging info, it is generally how to configure specific for a project, plus some in troubleshooting | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | yep | 20:13 |
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| Rockyg | The proj specific cong generally point to proj config files and location of proj logs: /var/[proj]/[proj].og and /etc/[proj]/logging.conf and /etc/[proj]/[proj].conf | 20:14 |
| Rockyg | But, we need to verify consistency and ensure that the "correct" locations/info are part of devref, I think. | 20:16 |
| jokke_ | hmm-m yeah I saw that ... is there a way to specify the config file for oslo log or is that something that is set? | 20:16 |
| Rockyg | good question. Some projects have sample files. But what we *need* is where the global conf is, make that sane defaults and document in *that* file where to do proj specific changes | 20:17 |
| jokke_ | does oslo log actually honor any global log file? | 20:18 |
| Rockyg | I need admin access to a running cloud, or someone who does to do this stuff. And yes, oslo log has global config settings | 20:19 |
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| jokke_ | ok, where that config file should be? I'll have a look tomorrow when I'm back in office | 20:19 |
| Rockyg | so, Theorectically, all of the projects' long config should be empty | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | s/long/log | 20:20 |
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| jokke_ | yes that tends to be the normal situation | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | I think the other thing we need is to differentiate between projects using oslo.log and pylog | 20:21 |
| jokke_ | or mixture of those | 20:21 |
| Rockyg | Then figure out what the format for the pylog projects should be that most closely relates to the oslo.log default | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | I also have the file with the config options open, but haven't really started digging in that too much yet. | 20:22 |
| jokke_ | ok ... well this sounds like big improvement if that all gets even documented to easily digested format | 20:23 |
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| Rockyg | OK. I'll keep working on this and prep the etherpad for the docs sprint. Questions, organization, etc. | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | #topic Tokyo Summit | 20:24 |
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| Rockyg | We have a cross-project work session for the summit, and I just expanded some on the ops session. Do we want a working session? Could we actually get valuable work done on a/some specs if we had one? | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | are you referencing that wed noon sessions as x-project? | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | yesa | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | Actually, maybe. I think so. | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | Discussion on TC list. | 20:28 |
| jokke_ | I'd assume that and the ops side should be enough ... I have really difficult to believe anything useful getting done over 40min working session | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. So far we haven't. | 20:28 |
| jokke_ | rather we could try to communicate around and trying to get folks together just to the lunch room for round table if people has overlapping off time | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | But, one of Mitaka's themes seems to be shaping up as "interop" | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | I think consistent logs fit that theme | 20:29 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | It also looks like req-id is on the verge of merging. I think once it does, we propose a log header field that takes three ids | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Originating id, prev id, current id | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | That would allow full tracing. The originating is going to be the hard one to get defined. | 20:32 |
| jokke_ | that sounds like mile long log line | 20:32 |
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| Rockyg | nope. log message only as at most 3. But we need to limit size of req-id to something reasonable | 20:33 |
| jokke_ | well I think the current proposal is uuid ... so 3 of those is pretty damn long header | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | hmmm. | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | we need that configurable. uuid takes an integer to say how big it should be. That should be a config option. Need a RFE! | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 20:35 |
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| Rockyg | I'll go back and reread the spec. Maybe I can get them to include it, or maybe I can propose a bp for that spec that does it. | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | Too much to do and not enough me. | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | even it's once again one extra config option I think some folks could appreciate that vs. standard uuid | 20:37 |
| jokke_ | I know the feeling | 20:37 |
| bknudson | if you just want a short random string don't use uuid | 20:37 |
| Rockyg | #action propose config option for req-id that allows size of id to be chosen | 20:38 |
| bknudson | assuming you're fine with a chance of duplicate strings | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | bknudson I think uuid() has a size option. Also, for tracing, the id+time window will be unique | 20:38 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: well the req id was difficult enough to get agreed with uuid ... some people has fancy idea that they need to have id for each request that is unique over months time | 20:38 |
| bknudson | uuid will be unique | 20:39 |
| bknudson | https://docs.python.org/2/library/uuid.html#uuid.uuid4 | 20:39 |
| Rockyg | haha. Actually, not with the size of some clouds... | 20:39 |
| bknudson | doesn't have a size parameter | 20:39 |
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| jokke_ | that's why I think it was selected at the first place | 20:39 |
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| bknudson | there's different uuid methods | 20:40 |
| Rockyg | I think it's in keystone middleware. A redefine maybe? | 20:40 |
| jokke_ | well yeah it's unique up to certain count | 20:40 |
| Rockyg | But that middleware already has the id generator, it uses uuid, but it also takes an integer | 20:41 |
| Rockyg | multiple of two, of course | 20:41 |
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| Rockyg | There is so much freaking cruft in the codebase that's not used, not known about, or used by one small thing. It would be great to get some interns to clean it up. | 20:42 |
| jokke_ | you mean OpenStack in general or some specific part? | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | In general. | 20:43 |
| bknudson | hire some interns | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | maybe less for some of the newer projects;-) | 20:43 |
| jokke_ | that Intern would retire and still we would be cursing the crud | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | Or not. | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | Yup. Anything we are forgetting for summit? | 20:44 |
| jokke_ | do we want to have some more descriptive topic for that Wed noon session | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | into the schedule? | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | do you have a link to that page? | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | Let's look | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | the communications are on my work e-mail | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | and ofc I forgot to get my laptop ready for this | 20:47 |
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| Rockyg | Welcome to the club! | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | We'll discuss next week, then. | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | #topic Open Discussion | 20:47 |
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| Rockyg | Anything else? | 20:47 |
| jokke_ | http://sched.co/4A2Z | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | that should be the slot | 20:48 |
| Rockyg | Oh, did anyone review that spec/patch I forwarded? | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | it's on my todo list still (open on a tab at office) | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | Ah. So, the work session. Yeah. But let's put that on next week's agenda? | 20:50 |
| jokke_ | sure | 20:50 |
| bknudson | we've got an attendee already! | 20:50 |
| jokke_ | so yes it's on work session title | 20:50 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: that is placeholder for all 10 parallel worksessions there ;) | 20:50 |
| Rockyg | On the spec,, I'm pretty sure that they should be using oslo.log and not syslog, but....who am I to say? | 20:50 |
| jokke_ | I'd like to see that happening as well | 20:52 |
| jokke_ | (I did eyeball it but didn't dig in enough to comment anything | 20:52 |
| Rockyg | I think it was this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 20:54 |
| jokke_ | I think it was | 20:54 |
| jokke_ | looks vaguely familiar | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | But, if it is, the rst file got lot smaller recently | 20:56 |
| jokke_ | this seems to have been growing ... was it some other logging api then than that security one? | 20:58 |
| Rockyg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 20:58 |
| Rockyg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/20/specs/liberty/logging-API-for-sg-and-fw-rules.rst | 20:59 |
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| jokke_ | ok, till next week then ... or just ping me/send an e-mail if something iteresting pops up | 21:01 |
| Rockyg | OK. Sorry, I just hit something wierd. The first time I posted the patch, I was looking at it, copied the url and posted. The review I was seeing had three files - two json files - example and schema, and a 35 line rst file. Now, it is what we currently see. | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | ah :) | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | Freaky. | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | plus, patch set showed like 8, but comments showed the 20. Wow. | 21:03 |
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| jokke_ | ;) | 21:03 |
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| jokke_ | gerrit doing weird things | 21:03 |
| jokke_ | messing with yer mind | 21:03 |
| Rockyg | Oops. Ran over again. Please review the spec. I really think it needs comments from the log wg, but I don't want to jump in until a dev does. | 21:04 |
| Rockyg | And it is time. | 21:04 |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 21:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 16 21:04:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-09-16-20.00.html | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-09-16-20.00.txt | 21:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-09-16-20.00.log.html | 21:04 |
| Rockyg | Thanks jokke_ and bknudson | 21:04 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 21:04 |
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