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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gate is currently stuck, failing grenade upgrade tests due the release of oslo.utils 1.4.1 for Juno. | 08:01 | |
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gate back to normal, thanks to the backlisting of the problematic version | 10:15 | |
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nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting, dshakhray | 14:00 |
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nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 14:00:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
flaper87 | o/ | 14:00 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
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rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
jcook | o/ | 14:00 |
kairat | o/ | 14:00 |
pmesserli | o/ | 14:00 |
mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
nikhil | Small agenda today | 14:01 |
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ativelkov | o/ | 14:01 |
nikhil | I hope to discuss RC related stauff with you all in the remnant time | 14:01 |
nikhil | #topic Updates | 14:01 |
jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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nikhil | #info artifacts updates | 14:01 |
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mfedosin | hi folks | 14:02 |
mfedosin | we still need several to be merged | 14:02 |
mfedosin | *commits | 14:02 |
mfedosin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fastTrackPatches | 14:02 |
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sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:02 |
dshakhray | o/ | 14:03 |
mfedosin | which are marked "essential for murano" | 14:03 |
jokke_ | mfedosin: those are bugfixes? | 14:03 |
mfedosin | yes, all of them | 14:03 |
nikhil | mfedosin: ok, we still have 2-3 days. Do you have a bug corresponding to each commit? | 14:03 |
flaper87 | mfedosin: ++ | 14:03 |
* jokke_ makes mental note to add to the list | 14:03 | |
mfedosin | I think LP bugs are already in commit messages | 14:04 |
mfedosin | but I'll recheck | 14:04 |
nikhil | mfedosin: in order for me to block RC{1} on those commits, I would require a bug # corres to each commit that is needed | 14:04 |
mfedosin | also we spent last three days in discussion about future development | 14:04 |
nikhil | this is for rel-mgmt | 14:04 |
mfedosin | nikhil, ah, okay, will do | 14:05 |
nikhil | thanks | 14:05 |
mfedosin | so, I started to right documents about our decisions | 14:05 |
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mfedosin | and Alex is going to right an article to Openstack wiki | 14:05 |
flaper87 | mfedosin: coolio | 14:06 |
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mfedosin | flaper87, I heard this word from Jay Pipies yesterday =P | 14:06 |
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flaper87 | mfedosin: lol | 14:06 |
flaper87 | :P | 14:06 |
mfedosin | *Pipes | 14:06 |
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mfedosin | I think it's all about artifacts for this moment | 14:07 |
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nikhil | cool | 14:07 |
nikhil | #info drivers updates | 14:08 |
nikhil | so, we mostly discussed the two FFes | 14:09 |
nikhil | there were some outstanding concerns on both | 14:09 |
nikhil | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-15-14.00.html | 14:09 |
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nikhil | rosmaita: helped figure out the non-requirement on checking with docs team on config options | 14:10 |
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rosmaita | they generate config manual from our sample configs in the repo, so it's up to us to get changes in on time | 14:11 |
rosmaita | they just supply a 1 paragraph intro to each config file | 14:11 |
rosmaita | and that won't change much from release to release | 14:11 |
flaper87 | rosmaita: I take that we're good to go with this spec | 14:12 |
flaper87 | right ? | 14:12 |
flaper87 | just trying to make sure I'm interpreting things correctly | 14:12 |
rosmaita | you mean the scrubber spec? | 14:12 |
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flaper87 | rosmaita: yes | 14:13 |
nikhil_k_ | irc bouncer dropped, sorry... | 14:13 |
flaper87 | sorry for not being specific | 14:13 |
rosmaita | flaper87: np, don't mean to be pedantic | 14:13 |
flaper87 | rosmaita: you weren't at all :) | 14:13 |
rosmaita | but yes, we are cool with scrubber config changes | 14:13 |
rosmaita | basically, docs will cut "stable release" manuals sometime after Oct 15 | 14:14 |
flaper87 | awesome, as I mentioned in the drivers meeting, I'm happy with moving that one forward | 14:14 |
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nikhil_k_ | I see some test related issue mentioned on the code proposal | 14:15 |
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jokke_ | that sounds vaguely familiar, is that the one I still have -2 on implementation due FF? | 14:15 |
jcook | jokke_: yes sir | 14:15 |
nikhil_k_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196240/ | 14:15 |
nikhil_k_ | most probably intermittent issue | 14:16 |
jokke_ | is the spec merged? | 14:16 |
nikhil_k_ | nope | 14:16 |
nikhil_k_ | I will get that done today | 14:16 |
jokke_ | cool ... give me a ping when that gets +A and I'm happy to drop my -2 on the implementation ;) | 14:16 |
nikhil_k_ | let's make sure we don't create panic in the gate | 14:16 |
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nikhil_k_ | I missed the ova discussion | 14:18 |
nikhil_k_ | were there any red flags? | 14:18 |
nikhil_k_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214810/ | 14:18 |
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nikhil_k_ | ok, if nothing. Let's move on. | 14:18 |
jokke_ | I still think it's modifying saved image data, but I'm not 100% sure | 14:18 |
flaper87 | we haven't had the ova discussion | 14:18 |
flaper87 | but: | 14:19 |
flaper87 | 1) The spec still has some nits to fix from rosmaita | 14:19 |
flaper87 | 2) The implementation is not there yet | 14:19 |
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flaper87 | jokke_: it is not | 14:19 |
flaper87 | I'm happy to exaplin this offline | 14:19 |
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flaper87 | (unless I didn't read the implementation properly) | 14:19 |
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jokke_ | cool | 14:19 |
flaper87 | I commented on the implementation earlier today | 14:20 |
flaper87 | trying to keep my comments limited to relevant things and not nits that could be fixed later on | 14:20 |
flaper87 | that's it from me | 14:20 |
flaper87 | I'll keep following up on that one | 14:20 |
nikhil_k_ | Thanks, I believe it's not modifying the saved image data looking at the flows but good to double check. | 14:21 |
jokke_ | yes I have tried to avoid to tangle into typos etc as well | 14:21 |
nikhil_k_ | Feels like it can make it by Monday. I think we should have to discussion with the developers/commiters that if it's not ready one of us will just fix the things and get it done. | 14:21 |
rosmaita | i will go back and look at my nits and see if they really matter in the big picture | 14:22 |
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jokke_ | I also don't want to see it merged half baked so if it's not making it, please lets not just merge it for the sake of it | 14:22 |
rosmaita | jokke_: +1 | 14:22 |
nikhil_k_ | yes | 14:22 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k_: it'd be great if you or sabari could sync w/ them. They are in the west coast and it's quite difficult for me | 14:23 |
jokke_ | there are still quite a few actual concerns in the comments | 14:23 |
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nikhil_k_ | I feel hesistent about merging import related stuff at this time of cycle if they aren't completely done. | 14:23 |
mclaren | +1 | 14:23 |
flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:23 |
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flaper87 | jokke_: the ones that I've written down I consider important | 14:23 |
nikhil_k_ | flaper87: sure, I will act as mediator. | 14:24 |
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jokke_ | flaper87: I totally agree with that | 14:24 |
mclaren | I don't think the ova should merge | 14:24 |
mclaren | Uses existing Glance import taskflow | 14:24 |
mclaren | there is a serious question mark over whether that's a real thing or not | 14:25 |
rosmaita | well, that depends who you talk to | 14:25 |
flaper87 | mclaren: well, it uses tasks | 14:25 |
nikhil_k_ | so,if the API is public we HAVE to support it | 14:25 |
mclaren | yes, but tasks seem to be operator specific things | 14:25 |
rosmaita | mclaren: that depends | 14:25 |
mclaren | I think it's enough of a grey area not to rush this out | 14:25 |
nikhil_k_ | it depends whether we communicate it as primary API or something hidden | 14:25 |
mclaren | we don't want another non-standard way of uploading images | 14:26 |
flaper87 | I think this a topic for the summit (tasks, public, API, ops, etc) | 14:26 |
rosmaita | flaper87: +1 | 14:26 |
nikhil_k_ | if the API is public it will hardly pass DefCore to be admin only, btw | 14:26 |
rosmaita | but i want to point out that tasks have been in the public API for 2-3 cycles now | 14:26 |
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nikhil_k_ | The question is which is the standard API | 14:27 |
nikhil_k_ | and that is a different question from all of this | 14:27 |
rosmaita | sounds like defcore thinks v1 is the standard api | 14:27 |
* flaper87 really wants to put this discussion on hold until he can hug the rest of the team in tokyo | 14:27 | |
mclaren | rosmaita: which tasks? which well-defined tasks? | 14:27 |
nikhil_k_ | more of a overarching question but still a different discussion | 14:27 |
nikhil_k_ | flaper87: I think what we want to come out of this conversation today is | 14:28 |
nikhil_k_ | 1. can we merge this by Monday? | 14:28 |
nikhil_k_ | 2. how badlly this will affect the standard workflows if merged? | 14:28 |
flaper87 | I think this specific spec is unrelated to the tasks api discussion | 14:28 |
mclaren | I think it has the potential to cause more confusion | 14:29 |
flaper87 | However, at this point, I'm becoming more and more doubtful of this work bing ready in time | 14:29 |
mclaren | we need to take heed of Doug's mail and sort out a standard upload/import thing | 14:29 |
nikhil_k_ | ok, let's sycn offline | 14:29 |
rosmaita | mclaren: that's true, but it's kind of late to bring that up to the team working on OVA right now | 14:29 |
flaper87 | and, as mentioned before, I've no intention to rush it | 14:29 |
mclaren | this spec should not go in before we do that | 14:29 |
mclaren | rosmaita: honestly? tough | 14:30 |
mclaren | we are under the microscope from the community at the moment | 14:30 |
rosmaita | i guess it's just part of the magic of working on glance | 14:30 |
jokke_ | that is fair point, this has possibility to divert the deployed clouds more than the current situation and I think it's fair question to ask is this jeoparding our priorities ref. defcore ... at least I don't have answer for that | 14:31 |
mclaren | I think rushing this in isn't worth it | 14:31 |
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flaper87 | mclaren: I agree that rushing this is not worth it, I support that | 14:32 |
flaper87 | the question we also need to answer, though, is whether after we have the tasks/api discussion we'll still have these things as tasks or not | 14:32 |
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rosmaita | i think there will still be tasks, just a matter of how they are exposed | 14:33 |
jokke_ | Also I don't know if making this available for this cycle out of tree will make it any better | 14:33 |
flaper87 | Say, hypotetically, we decide that the import flow should go. I believe we'll still have tasks | 14:33 |
flaper87 | rosmaita: right | 14:33 |
mclaren | tasks are fine! | 14:33 |
nikhil_k_ | So, afaict this isn't affecting any more than what's already there. | 14:33 |
flaper87 | Note that what is being questioned are not tasks specifically but using them as a way to import images and then having 2 upload APIs, etc | 14:33 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k_: my point exaclty. | 14:34 |
flaper87 | but I see where mclaren is coming from | 14:34 |
mclaren | yes, we need to stop thinking in terms of an application and in terms of an API | 14:34 |
jokke_ | flaper87: ++, thus I think that's fair question to ask even this late in the process | 14:34 |
nikhil_k_ | and the API isn't changing | 14:34 |
flaper87 | jokke_: fully agree | 14:34 |
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mclaren | nikhil_k_: I'm not sure I agree | 14:35 |
flaper87 | and honestly, if I have to choose between creating more confusion and waiting 1 cycle, I'd probably go with the later | 14:35 |
nikhil_k_ | so, one thing is for sure tasks can't be the standard API if not everyone can expose it in a standard way | 14:35 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k_: I think the 'standard' term is being misused everytime we talked about APIs | 14:36 |
mclaren | I think that the image_import task was signalled to be a 'sample'. There is nothing about this spec to suggest it is not the official way to import ovas | 14:36 |
flaper87 | because there's more to it than just what's exposed | 14:36 |
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nikhil_k_ | deprecating task workflow isn't going to be just one cycle thing, we need to support it for a few cycles the way it is possible using versioning of some sort | 14:36 |
mclaren | and must be supported at all sites | 14:36 |
flaper87 | we should also add to the discussion whom we're exposing the api to | 14:36 |
mclaren | I'm not sure we need to deprecate 'tasks' | 14:36 |
flaper87 | I think tasks should stay | 14:36 |
flaper87 | the discussion we need to have is about the API | 14:37 |
flaper87 | more specifically, the *images* API | 14:37 |
mclaren | we just shouldn't put official upload stuff under /tasks | 14:37 |
flaper87 | Everything related to image management | 14:37 |
nikhil_k_ | we are talking about deprecating tasks-workflow the way it is, if that's where community decides to go | 14:37 |
flaper87 | no, we're talking about deprecating the import-flow and re-use tasks in a different way | 14:37 |
nikhil_k_ | I think the message was clear to the proposers that this won't be a standard way for them to upload ovas | 14:38 |
nikhil_k_ | rosmaita: had specifically asked for it to be admin only | 14:38 |
nikhil_k_ | is the impl not doing that yet | 14:38 |
nikhil_k_ | ? | 14:38 |
flaper87 | I don't think mclaren argument is about what the proposers think but about what ops and users will think about this | 14:38 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k_: I believe it checks the amdin context | 14:38 |
flaper87 | yes | 14:38 |
flaper87 | actually, yes. I remember reading that | 14:39 |
rosmaita | yes, me too | 14:39 |
nikhil_k_ | if it's a admin only way to upload ovas, I think this won't break the standard API clause more than what is being discussed -- was my point | 14:39 |
flaper87 | again, I think the impl as it is now seems fine and assuming it'll be updated, we should be ok | 14:39 |
nikhil_k_ | agree | 14:40 |
flaper87 | but taking time to think about mclaren's question won't harm | 14:40 |
flaper87 | and we should do it before we finally merge that code/spec | 14:40 |
nikhil_k_ | so, we can't wait more than one day for Liberty | 14:40 |
mclaren | again, if we view things as an application it will work. If we want to have a sane api I think it makes no sense not to wait until we have the new upload workflow and integrate with that | 14:40 |
nikhil_k_ | and it's feels like a decisive moment to me | 14:40 |
mclaren | um s/not to/to/ | 14:40 |
rosmaita | i was having trouble parsing that sentence! | 14:40 |
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flaper87 | :P | 14:41 |
mclaren | heh | 14:41 |
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jokke_ | I think it makes perfect sense ref what mclaren said before | 14:41 |
jokke_ | makes sense to wait until | 14:41 |
jokke_ | couple of extra nots, to put pressure on the point ;) | 14:42 |
jokke_ | but maybe that's just because I'm Finnish | 14:42 |
flaper87 | jokke_: lol | 14:42 |
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mclaren | hm, wasn't I not right first time? | 14:43 |
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jokke_ | wasn't joking we use structures like that | 14:43 |
nikhil_k_ | yeah, I thought so too | 14:44 |
nikhil_k_ | or may ne s/no sense/sense/ | 14:44 |
mclaren | or nonsense? | 14:44 |
nikhil_k_ | heh | 14:44 |
nikhil_k_ | on this lighter note, let us give time to other agenda items. | 14:44 |
nikhil_k_ | #topic Should we move to openstackclient? | 14:45 |
mclaren | out of curiousity who added this one? | 14:45 |
nikhil_k_ | #topic Should we move to openstackclient? | 14:45 |
* flaper87 didn't | 14:45 | |
nikhil_k_ | #topic Should we move to openstackclient? | 14:45 |
bunting | Me | 14:45 |
nikhil_k_ | eh | 14:45 |
nikhil_k_ | where's the bot | 14:45 |
rosmaita | that topic really doesn't want to change | 14:45 |
bunting | I thought it would be an intresting question, since some of the other services do it | 14:45 |
flaper87 | openstack yo, 'sup ? | 14:45 |
jokke_ | nikhil_k_: it stuck to the double not loop | 14:46 |
nikhil_k_ | :) | 14:46 |
mclaren | So I have a question... | 14:46 |
mclaren | what is the story with clients being deprecated? | 14:46 |
nikhil_k_ | bunting: I think this is something a few of us are thinking too | 14:46 |
flaper87 | mclaren: clis or libraries ? | 14:46 |
mclaren | Is it that the clients are mainly to me used to provide the libraries but the CLI should be OSC? | 14:47 |
flaper87 | mclaren: correct | 14:47 |
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mclaren | (OpenStackClient) | 14:47 |
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jokke_ | I had discussion around OSCli with someone just yesterday or so, let me find my analogy about it | 14:47 |
nikhil_k_ | it's a possibility | 14:47 |
mclaren | So what consideration did we give to that when we landed 1.0.0 on the world? | 14:47 |
nikhil_k_ | it's a possibility and not a reality yet | 14:48 |
mclaren | (which we're ripping out of our product as we speak by the way) | 14:48 |
nikhil_k_ | what do you mean by product? | 14:48 |
mclaren | sorry, HP thing | 14:48 |
nikhil_k_ | ah | 14:48 |
flaper87 | I'd personally like glanceclient to be a library | 14:49 |
mclaren | should we be telling users whose scripts we have broken to switch to OSC? | 14:49 |
flaper87 | and have a consistent way to do CLIs | 14:49 |
jokke_ | it's like deprecating cp, touch, mv, ln, cat, etc.etc.etc. and creating filetools which would be used like `filetools ext4 copy-file-from-to /path/from/somewhere /path/to/somewhere` | 14:49 |
flaper87 | Many benefits, from an OpenStack perspective, to it | 14:49 |
nikhil_k_ | +1 | 14:49 |
flaper87 | One of those is not having to do crazy thinks to parse keystone parameters | 14:49 |
flaper87 | s/thinks/things/ | 14:49 |
jokke_ | it's so far from any principal "make one tool for one job" as anything can be | 14:50 |
flaper87 | That regardless jokke_'s anology being a bit accurate | 14:50 |
flaper87 | However, I don't think it lifts the responsibility from us | 14:50 |
nikhil_k_ | Having a single clean API should be a concern at the OpenStack level and operator specificities can be handled at bulk there. | 14:50 |
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nikhil_k_ | that's true | 14:50 |
nikhil_k_ | too* | 14:50 |
flaper87 | BUT, it does gives us an opportunity to get the CLI right since I doubt it has a complete implementation | 14:50 |
nikhil_k_ | and by OpenStack level I mean, broder community and not a single program | 14:51 |
mclaren | they oppose anything that breaks backwards compatibility (I asked) | 14:51 |
jokke_ | """since M$ moved to powershell certain loud folks have started to insist that all-command-line-parameters-are-read-out-for-them and that command are ok to be 497 characters long before user input ... I'm surprised that those folks are not running all their cli command with bash -c thinking that all the commands are just subcommands""" | 14:51 |
flaper87 | One of the things I'd love to do, if we ever decide to use osc (which I kinda think we shoud), is to not map the cli 11 w/ the glance api | 14:51 |
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mclaren | the OSC folks will make those kinds of decisions | 14:51 |
flaper87 | but rather do something that can hypotetically be forward compatible | 14:51 |
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flaper87 | mclaren: right but thinking that moving to OSC will just remove that work from us is not right | 14:52 |
flaper87 | we'll still have to collaborate | 14:52 |
mclaren | yes, Niall is working with them now | 14:52 |
nikhil_k_ | I doubt if we will be able to get rid of the CLI completely | 14:52 |
nikhil_k_ | at least that's the feedback I have | 14:52 |
flaper87 | I hope we won't just move all the patches re v1 from glanceclient to osc :P | 14:52 |
flaper87 | mclaren: bunting ^ | 14:53 |
bunting | nikhil_k_: We could add deprectaion warnings though | 14:53 |
flaper87 | nikhil_k_: if we want to, we can | 14:53 |
flaper87 | keystone is doing that, for example | 14:53 |
flaper87 | and other projects too | 14:53 |
nikhil_k_ | who uses it most is going to be definitive of the standardisation like mentioned above | 14:53 |
nikhil_k_ | matching with the API is going to be tricky | 14:53 |
rosmaita | we could add deprecation warnings by default for all commands, then we'd be covered | 14:53 |
mclaren | so if a user comes onto IRC 'image-create' is broken. Do we say switch to OSC or do we say update your glance scripts? | 14:53 |
nikhil_k_ | tools like warlock were for such a thing and can be a real pain | 14:53 |
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flaper87 | I mean, we'll keep the old CLI but we wouldn't update it | 14:53 |
nikhil_k_ | I doubt if we can get OS-C getting to implement that | 14:54 |
jokke_ | I'd rather like to see OpenStackClient consuming the OpenStackSDK and then we could just abandon the python-glanceclient repo ;) | 14:54 |
nikhil_k_ | that is something doesn't seem viable jokke_ | 14:54 |
flaper87 | mclaren: if it's a bug, I think it'd be fine to fix it for a while | 14:54 |
flaper87 | mclaren: just like we did w/ v1 | 14:54 |
flaper87 | we've committed to maintain the code that has been released | 14:55 |
mclaren | as have OSC | 14:55 |
flaper87 | and we have to do so | 14:55 |
flaper87 | however, it doesn't mean we have to keep updating it | 14:55 |
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flaper87 | we can just recommend users to get the latest hotness from osc | 14:55 |
nikhil_k_ | btw, folks we've one more item on the agenda | 14:55 |
mclaren | I'm not saying anything about not maintaining the client, I'm just trying to figure out if, as the clients are deprecated we should recommend OSC | 14:55 |
mclaren | for scripting in particular | 14:56 |
flaper87 | mclaren: first we have to decide if we want t omigrate to OSC and how we're going to help OSC folks | 14:56 |
mclaren | (it's what devstack uses) | 14:56 |
flaper87 | once we've that effort covered, I think we'd be good to say that | 14:56 |
nikhil_k_ | mclaren: I doubt if that's becoming a practice yet but seems like the right direction | 14:56 |
flaper87 | FWIW, zaqar just uses OSC, no CLI merged in zaqar | 14:56 |
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mclaren | Ok, does anyone want to mention any of the priorities that Doug had in his mail? | 14:57 |
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nikhil_k_ | what do you mean? | 14:57 |
nikhil_k_ | by *mention* | 14:58 |
mclaren | Dunno I guess I thought it would be on the agenda | 14:58 |
jokke_ | I would ... them all ... if you haven't done so yet, go and read the chain | 14:58 |
nikhil_k_ | bunting: seems like you item may have to wait. it was a late addition fwiw. | 14:58 |
flaper87 | mclaren: ++ | 14:58 |
nikhil_k_ | your* | 14:58 |
bunting | nikhil_k_: Yeah, thats fine | 14:59 |
flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:59 |
nikhil_k_ | mention where? | 14:59 |
rosmaita | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074360.html | 14:59 |
flaper87 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074360.html | 14:59 |
rosmaita | (it's mentioned!) | 14:59 |
flaper87 | :P | 14:59 |
mclaren | nice! | 15:00 |
jokke_ | ok, we got out of time :( | 15:00 |
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nikhil_k_ | lol | 15:00 |
nikhil_k_ | mentioned! yay!! | 15:00 |
nikhil_k_ | thanks all for joining | 15:00 |
mclaren | thanks | 15:00 |
nikhil_k_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
nikhil_k_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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david-lyle | o/ | 15:02 |
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lakshmiS | o/ | 15:02 |
sjmc7 | hey | 15:02 |
TravT | has sigmavirus24 been around recently? | 15:02 |
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rosmaita | was talking to him earlier | 15:02 |
TravT | here's the agend | 15:03 |
sigmavirus24 | sorry | 15:03 |
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TravT | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
sigmavirus24 | I'm doing $work things on a vidyo call | 15:03 |
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sigmavirus24 | can't really focus on an IRC meeting | 15:03 |
TravT | sigmavirus24: yeah, that's hard. | 15:03 |
TravT | #topic release planning | 15:03 |
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TravT | So, i just asked and was told to go ahead and move all the blueprints and bugs implemented to be targeted at liberty RC1 | 15:04 |
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TravT | just did that with blueprints. | 15:04 |
TravT | will do that with bugs | 15:04 |
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TravT | and then will remove the liberty 1, 2, 3 milestones. | 15:04 |
sjmc7 | when's the rc date? | 15:05 |
TravT | don't have concrete on that? turns out the person i was pursuing for help yesterday was out sick. | 15:05 |
TravT | david-lyle: nikhil_k_ is tomorrow the date for horizon / glance RC1? | 15:06 |
david-lyle | TravT: next week | 15:06 |
TravT | ok, that's all i've know as well. | 15:06 |
david-lyle | FFE should be in by the end of the week | 15:06 |
nikhil_k_ | TravT: early next week | 15:06 |
TravT | just didn't know an exact date | 15:06 |
david-lyle | project dependent | 15:06 |
david-lyle | when you're ready | 15:07 |
TravT | i think we're looking to be in good shape by end of next week on searchlight | 15:07 |
TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/liberty | 15:07 |
TravT | we'll defer a couple on the bottom | 15:08 |
TravT | but there is one i want to add | 15:08 |
TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/field-faceting | 15:08 |
TravT | steve's been working on it | 15:09 |
sjmc7 | i have! it's pretty close to finished | 15:09 |
TravT | and i'm looking to consume it today with the horizon plugin | 15:09 |
TravT | the other BP with good progress is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/plugin-config-options | 15:10 |
TravT | i'll look to provide a real review on that today if ekarlso has already addressed your concerns sjmc7 | 15:10 |
sjmc7 | i was just looking at that. one minor thing but that's very close | 15:11 |
TravT | ok, then i'll go ahead and look it over. | 15:11 |
TravT | sigmavirus24: this might be a good one for you to review as well if you can. | 15:11 |
TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223318/ | 15:12 |
TravT | so otherwise, we have to address bugs | 15:12 |
TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:12 |
TravT | there are a few that i've found working on horizon plugin that affects searching. | 15:13 |
TravT | Need to normalize created_at / updated_at | 15:13 |
sjmc7 | i've been working my way through them :) | 15:13 |
TravT | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1496461 | 15:13 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1496461 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Unable to search / sort based on create date or update date" [High,New] | 15:13 |
sjmc7 | i've got some proper time to spend on this for a few days at least | 15:14 |
TravT | basically, some data (nova servers) use created / updated as field name and have a certain date format | 15:14 |
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TravT | and others (designate) use created_at and updated_at with a slightly different date format | 15:14 |
TravT | the field name in particular is the problem for searching | 15:15 |
TravT | i can make queries that work around it | 15:15 |
TravT | but i don't think we should force users to do that. | 15:15 |
TravT | and i don't know how to deal with sorting | 15:15 |
sjmc7 | sorting we can deal with | 15:15 |
sjmc7 | understanding what kind of string search you're trying to do is trickier | 15:16 |
TravT | so, an idea is that we normalize that every doc has one or the other of the two and they can keep their original field. | 15:16 |
sjmc7 | for created and updated yes, i think we can normalize those | 15:16 |
TravT | i'm not sure what is the better standard. created_at updated_at vs created / updated | 15:17 |
lakshmiS | so multiple formats? | 15:17 |
TravT | does anybody know if this is published anywhere? | 15:17 |
TravT | rosmaita: is this in the api working group? | 15:17 |
sjmc7 | which is more popular? | 15:17 |
rosmaita | TravT: don't know | 15:18 |
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sjmc7 | i think updated_at is more commonly used | 15:18 |
sjmc7 | nova, neutron at least | 15:18 |
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rosmaita | yeah the _at is very popular | 15:18 |
rosmaita | TravT: did you mean the _at or the actual content of the filed? | 15:18 |
TravT | both i suppose | 15:18 |
sjmc7 | the content should be iso 8601 | 15:20 |
lakshmiS | i think we should have both fields in timeinmilliseconds additional to other format | 15:20 |
TravT | nova servers actually use created. not the _at | 15:20 |
sjmc7 | hmm... you sure? our plugin doesn't :) | 15:20 |
TravT | yep | 15:21 |
TravT | searching searchlight with created returns nova as well | 15:21 |
sjmc7 | ok. maybe it's a coin toss then :) i prefer _at | 15:22 |
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TravT | well, i can go either way... just wanted to know if there was a recommended api standard for openstack | 15:22 |
TravT | we also need to better index the names in a standard way. | 15:23 |
TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1488236 | 15:23 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1488236 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Sorting name fields does not behave as expected" [Undecided,New] | 15:23 |
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TravT | anyway, these are affecting my horizon plugin work. | 15:25 |
sjmc7 | that one we can fix with the elasticsearch suggested way | 15:25 |
TravT | yeah, i think so too. | 15:25 |
TravT | With the horizon plugin, it still lives locally. | 15:25 |
sjmc7 | though only for explicitly mapped fields | 15:25 |
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TravT | true | 15:26 |
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TravT | i encountered a few bugs with upstream horizon widgets that are affecting my searchlight panel and have bugs submitted on them and hopefully somebody working to fix them. | 15:26 |
TravT | but i think on track for a very demoable panel by next week | 15:27 |
TravT | moving on... | 15:27 |
TravT | #topic functional tests | 15:27 |
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TravT | looks like lakshmiS fixed the merge conflict | 15:28 |
sjmc7 | i will test it again today | 15:28 |
lakshmiS | yeah i rebased it | 15:28 |
TravT | ok, i'll look then. | 15:28 |
sjmc7 | the config options endre's been adding will help with it | 15:28 |
TravT | hmm, so should we get those in first? | 15:29 |
sjmc7 | not necessarily. let's see how close each of them are | 15:29 |
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TravT | ok. | 15:30 |
TravT | getting functional tests in feels like the best first step | 15:30 |
TravT | to prevent regressions. | 15:30 |
sjmc7 | yeah | 15:30 |
lakshmiS | or else every change commited will require a fix in functional test patch | 15:31 |
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lakshmiS | it should be other way around | 15:31 |
sjmc7 | yeah, ok | 15:31 |
TravT | ok, are there any specific review and bugs needing discussion in IRC today? | 15:31 |
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lakshmiS | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221307/ | 15:31 |
lakshmiS | nikhil_k: can you take a look at it | 15:32 |
TravT | nikhil_k_: ^ | 15:32 |
TravT | what with all the failures? | 15:32 |
lakshmiS | the failures are not related to patch itself | 15:32 |
lakshmiS | every other patch is failing currently in zuul | 15:32 |
TravT | well, that's fun | 15:33 |
lakshmiS | maybe overload since it fails to install requirements | 15:33 |
lakshmiS | but if glance team can take a look at it and test it to see if its generating notifications that would be helpful go get reviews | 15:34 |
lakshmiS | s/go/to | 15:34 |
TravT | sigmavirus24: ^ glance patch | 15:34 |
sjmc7 | ah, yeah | 15:34 |
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TravT | I don't have any other agenda topics. anybody else? If not, was thinking we could adjourn to the openstack-searchlight channel and just spend 30 minutes on reviews and interacting. | 15:36 |
TravT | http://tinyurl.com/searchlight-reviews | 15:36 |
TravT | maybe we could close out a couple of those | 15:36 |
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sjmc7 | no, i don't | 15:37 |
sjmc7 | just reviews | 15:37 |
TravT | ok, i think that'd be the best use of time | 15:37 |
TravT | at this stage. | 15:38 |
TravT | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 15:38:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-09-17-15.01.html | 15:38 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-09-17-15.01.txt | 15:38 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-09-17-15.01.log.html | 15:38 |
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prometheanfire | hi | 16:01 |
cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 16:01:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
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evrardjp | o/ | 16:01 |
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prometheanfire | \o | 16:02 |
cloudnull | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:02 |
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Sam-I-Am | yo | 16:02 |
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cloudnull | #chair odyssey4me | 16:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: cloudnull odyssey4me | 16:02 |
odyssey4me | o/ | 16:02 |
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serverascode | o/ | 16:03 |
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cloudnull | so lets jump right in | 16:03 |
cloudnull | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:03 |
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cloudnull | Sam-I-Am to create an etherpad for the config changes he finds for future OSAD implementation | 16:03 |
Sam-I-Am | i did this | 16:03 |
Sam-I-Am | well, doing | 16:03 |
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cloudnull | link ? | 16:04 |
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odyssey4me | we had a link already | 16:04 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, we did | 16:04 |
evrardjp | we did ;) | 16:05 |
Sam-I-Am | i have it here somewhere buried in tabs | 16:05 |
cloudnull | i found it | 16:05 |
cloudnull | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-config-changes | 16:05 |
Sam-I-Am | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-config-changes | 16:05 |
cloudnull | so its still a work in progress, but gives us something to start reviewing. | 16:05 |
Sam-I-Am | its getting updated as i hit services | 16:05 |
Sam-I-Am | right now i'm in the middle of rearchitecting the upstream install guide, so there's a pause on the neutron stuff | 16:06 |
Sam-I-Am | looks like middleware changed again, so i get to dig through the gates for those updates | 16:06 |
cloudnull | sweet. great work on those bits. we'll keep watchfull on the etherpad. | 16:06 |
cloudnull | next | 16:06 |
cloudnull | odyssey4me to switch the blueprint for juno->liberty upgrades to 12.1.0 | 16:06 |
odyssey4me | yup, done | 16:07 |
prometheanfire | uh, we are doing juno -> liberty without going through kilo? | 16:07 |
evrardjp | wasn't it kilo -> liberty in the previous meeting? | 16:07 |
stevelle | deja vu | 16:07 |
odyssey4me | yeah, I put the wrong thing in :p | 16:08 |
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evrardjp | the action points weren't updated ;) | 16:08 |
cloudnull | palendae: Sam-I-Am: we also have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207713/ which is liberty upgrade related, | 16:08 |
cloudnull | git-harry: had a lot of good feedback there. itd be good to get that updated / replied to when possible. | 16:09 |
odyssey4me | palendae ^ | 16:10 |
odyssey4me | oh, silly me didn't see that he was already notified :p | 16:10 |
palendae | Yep, I'm gona look over it | 16:10 |
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palendae | Oh wait | 16:10 |
palendae | That's mine | 16:10 |
cloudnull | it is. | 16:11 |
cloudnull | so moving on | 16:11 |
cloudnull | #topic Liberty Release Blueprints (note dependencies) | 16:11 |
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cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/liberty-release | 16:11 |
cloudnull | in that segment the bigest one pending is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/tunable-openstack-configuration | 16:12 |
cloudnull | which has the following items that need to be reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-ansible+branch:master+topic:bp/tunable-openstack-configuration,n,z | 16:12 |
evrardjp | such a cool spec. If it was one facebook I'd almost like it. | 16:12 |
cloudnull | ha | 16:13 |
evrardjp | (the first one) | 16:13 |
odyssey4me | lol | 16:13 |
odyssey4me | you can +1 :p | 16:13 |
stevelle | I'm going through review of those but taking my time | 16:13 |
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cloudnull | twitter is the new facebook | 16:13 |
evrardjp | I don't have them | 16:13 |
evrardjp | :p | 16:13 |
evrardjp | sorry for the off-topic. | 16:14 |
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cloudnull | not at all. | 16:14 |
cloudnull | :) | 16:14 |
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cloudnull | next in that which needs some review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/named-veths | 16:14 |
cloudnull | oh nevermind i guess the docs merged. | 16:15 |
odyssey4me | cloudnull there's an issue with https://review.openstack.org/178259 which needs fixing too | 16:15 |
cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/upgrade-mariadb-v10 | 16:15 |
cloudnull | yea that was next. i need to get back to reviewing / updating that | 16:15 |
cloudnull | unless someone else wants to step in | 16:16 |
cloudnull | #action cloudnull - continue working on https://review.openstack.org/178259 for MariaDB 10 | 16:16 |
cloudnull | and this needs to go to | 16:17 |
cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/limit-mysql-config-distribution | 16:17 |
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odyssey4me | yeah, if that slips then I think it's ok | 16:18 |
cloudnull | next on my pile is mariadb but i hope to tackle that soon. | 16:18 |
cloudnull | the rest of the major specs look ok | 16:19 |
cloudnull | unless i missed one ? | 16:19 |
cloudnull | or something else ? | 16:19 |
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odyssey4me | nope - just need more reviews | 16:19 |
prometheanfire | not sure if we are there yet, but ipv6 spec? | 16:19 |
cloudnull | ++ please :) | 16:19 |
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prometheanfire | not a req for liberty though | 16:20 |
prometheanfire | actaully mitaka | 16:20 |
evrardjp | prometheanfire: wasn't that supposed to be also worked in the summit? | 16:20 |
odyssey4me | ipv6 spec is less urgent as it's for the mitaka cycle | 16:20 |
cloudnull | ^ that | 16:20 |
cloudnull | what evrardjp said | 16:20 |
prometheanfire | ya, forgot about that | 16:20 |
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cloudnull | #topic Mitaka Summit Discussion Agenda (input required) | 16:20 |
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cloudnull | odyssey4me: has been working on this a bit , tyvm btw | 16:21 |
cloudnull | if you have things youd like to add into the sessions, please do so | 16:21 |
odyssey4me | or proposed sessions | 16:22 |
cloudnull | anything and everything is welcome . | 16:22 |
odyssey4me | we'll have to select sessions based on our final allocation of space | 16:22 |
odyssey4me | but please note the moderator, etc - don't just add a topic | 16:22 |
odyssey4me | also note that each session will require some preparation | 16:22 |
cloudnull | these sessions are about us as a community building all of this better so everything is welcome | 16:23 |
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cloudnull | next | 16:24 |
cloudnull | #topic Docs | 16:24 |
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cloudnull | -- Items in progress or otherwise in need of work -- | 16:24 |
cloudnull | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=rpcdocs&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_ | 16:24 |
cloudnull | commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on | 16:24 |
evrardjp | thanks for the work done by the doc team first | 16:24 |
cloudnull | ah... | 16:24 |
Sam-I-Am | mmm, docs | 16:24 |
cloudnull | ++ evrardjp said, docs team is awesome ! | 16:25 |
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evrardjp | sorry if we sometimes put DocImpact without doing the doc that comes with it when we are in a hurry | 16:25 |
cloudnull | so the links are too damn big to paste in | 16:25 |
evrardjp | url shortner? | 16:25 |
cloudnull | yup its happening | 16:25 |
cloudnull | http://bit.ly/1iS6krb | 16:26 |
odyssey4me | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bugs?field.assignee=rpcdocs | 16:26 |
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cloudnull | these are the items we have with docimpact that may beed work | 16:27 |
cloudnull | #link http://bit.ly/1izGIiZ | 16:27 |
cloudnull | if anyone has cycles to help out thata would be great. | 16:27 |
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evrardjp | I'm not sure to fully understand the DocImpact, I thought it was required to tag DocImpact when there is a change that can impact docs, even if the change is about docs itself | 16:27 |
evrardjp | is this still right? | 16:28 |
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cloudnull | id say yes | 16:28 |
evrardjp | ok | 16:28 |
Sam-I-Am | noooo | 16:28 |
cloudnull | but the OS infra system will create an issue in launchpad | 16:28 |
cloudnull | anytime you use the tag | 16:28 |
Sam-I-Am | you use docimpact if you have a code change that requires docs, but does not include docs | 16:28 |
evrardjp | ok Sam-I-Am | 16:29 |
Sam-I-Am | if you include docimpact with a docs patch, it makes a new bug that tells docs folks it needs documentation | 16:29 |
cloudnull | ^ from the docs people. | 16:29 |
Sam-I-Am | realistically, you should include docs with your patch | 16:29 |
cloudnull | so lets stop doing that from now on :) | 16:29 |
Sam-I-Am | then if you want help making them better, tag a docs person in the review | 16:29 |
evrardjp | Sam-I-Am: I thought this was need to follow branches | 16:29 |
evrardjp | in order to follow the documentation changes accross merges, starting from master to the end branch | 16:30 |
evrardjp | -1 if no doc is provided then | 16:30 |
evrardjp | ok | 16:30 |
Sam-I-Am | what do you mean? | 16:31 |
evrardjp | the best way to achieve good docs is to not merge if there is no doc ;) | 16:31 |
Sam-I-Am | well, yeah | 16:31 |
Sam-I-Am | docimpact is just a way to toss it over the fence | 16:31 |
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Sam-I-Am | usually to someone that doesnt understand what you did | 16:31 |
Sam-I-Am | its best used when something is obvious | 16:31 |
odyssey4me | I am a fan of rather including docs as we go. | 16:31 |
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evrardjp | yeah, I think it should be done that way too | 16:32 |
evrardjp | I've put docimpact in the past to track the docchanges | 16:32 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, and it made a mess of docs bug tracking | 16:32 |
cloudnull | ^ me too | 16:32 |
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Sam-I-Am | 'hey wait, this is docs' | 16:32 |
odyssey4me | I do think that there's some base work that needs to be done to update the docs to make this entirely feasible, but that's not going to happen unless we start to enforce it. | 16:32 |
cloudnull | ++ | 16:33 |
evrardjp | +1 | 16:33 |
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evrardjp | I'll help fix what I broke in the docs personnally Sam-I-Am. Mea culpa! | 16:33 |
cloudnull | #action Everyone - start -1 changes that dont had docs | 16:33 |
Sam-I-Am | people either tag me in reviews, or i see docs things when i look through all reviews | 16:33 |
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cloudnull | so regarding all of these things - http://bit.ly/1izGIiZ http://bit.ly/1iS6krb - we need to pick through doc the changes where needed and close items that are irrelevant. | 16:33 |
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cloudnull | moving on | 16:35 |
cloudnull | #topic Reviews | 16:36 |
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cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:cloudnull+status:open,n,z | 16:36 |
cloudnull | #link http://bit.ly/openstack-ansible-review-starred | 16:36 |
cloudnull | these are some inflight things that need to be looked at | 16:36 |
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cloudnull | sorry ... irc bouncer connection was dropped | 16:40 |
cloudnull | we always need more reviews. and if you can help out on some of the inflight changes it would be most appreciated. | 16:41 |
evrardjp | noted | 16:41 |
cloudnull | #topic Upcoming Milestones | 16:41 |
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cloudnull | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/liberty-3 | 16:42 |
odyssey4me | oops, forgot to update that - that one's been released | 16:42 |
odyssey4me | 12.0.0 is the next for master | 16:42 |
cloudnull | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/12.0.0 | 16:42 |
cloudnull | ha. | 16:42 |
cloudnull | was looking at that thinking damn we're awesome ! | 16:43 |
cloudnull | and for kilo | 16:43 |
cloudnull | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.2.2 | 16:43 |
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cloudnull | sorry | 16:43 |
cloudnull | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.2.3 | 16:44 |
odyssey4me | actually | 16:44 |
odyssey4me | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.2.3 | 16:44 |
odyssey4me | ha | 16:44 |
cloudnull | i have a couple things to add to that but otherwise kilo is looking nice | 16:44 |
evrardjp | what's the deadline for it? | 16:44 |
cloudnull | 2015-09-25 | 16:45 |
odyssey4me | this needs to go in for that https://review.openstack.org/224562 | 16:45 |
evrardjp | 11 september according to launchpad ;) | 16:45 |
cloudnull | for 11.2.3 | 16:45 |
* odyssey4me forgot to update the agenda | 16:45 | |
cloudnull | me too | 16:46 |
cloudnull | so lastly | 16:46 |
odyssey4me | if any other patches get backports then we'll add them to that milestone | 16:46 |
cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:46 |
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evrardjp | elections? | 16:46 |
cloudnull | sure | 16:47 |
evrardjp | cloudnull: you don't continue to be PTL? | 16:47 |
odyssey4me | elections are September 18 - September 24 | 16:47 |
evrardjp | don't want to* | 16:47 |
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cloudnull | https://github.com/openstack/election/tree/master/candidates/mitaka/OpenStackAnsible | 16:47 |
cloudnull | evrardjp: nope im stepping aside | 16:47 |
cloudnull | time for someone new :) | 16:47 |
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stevelle | thanks for helping bring us this far cloudnull | 16:47 |
evrardjp | it's cool to let the others do, too. ;) | 16:47 |
evrardjp | yeah ty | 16:48 |
cloudnull | it is | 16:48 |
evrardjp | and good luck to our only candidate for now ;) | 16:48 |
cloudnull | so far our only candidate is odyssey4me , that said if someone wants to run please submit your proposal | 16:48 |
Sam-I-Am | the only one crazy enough | 16:48 |
Sam-I-Am | the rest of us like our health | 16:48 |
evrardjp | :) | 16:48 |
odyssey4me | lol | 16:48 |
Sam-I-Am | well, marginally better health | 16:48 |
cloudnull | moar beer youll be fine | 16:49 |
odyssey4me | so on the topic, I'd like to suggest that we rotate the chair for the bug triage and community meetings | 16:49 |
evrardjp | I've looked at his punchcard recently, yeah it's impressive... Most of you are ;) | 16:49 |
cloudnull | odyssey4me: ++ | 16:49 |
odyssey4me | ideally I'm thinking along the lines of someone volunteering to be the next chair early in the meeting | 16:50 |
cloudnull | I think thats a great idea | 16:50 |
odyssey4me | that way not all responsibility sits on one person all the time | 16:50 |
cloudnull | #vote should we have a rotating chair in meeting, yes or no? | 16:50 |
evrardjp | it makes sense | 16:51 |
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odyssey4me | yes | 16:51 |
cloudnull | opps | 16:51 |
cloudnull | #startvote should we have a rotating chair in meeting, yes or no? | 16:51 |
openstack | Begin voting on: should we have a rotating chair in meeting, yes or no? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 16:51 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:51 |
odyssey4me | #vote yes | 16:51 |
cloudnull | now go vote :) | 16:51 |
Sam-I-Am | #vote yes | 16:51 |
cloudnull | #vote yes | 16:51 |
evrardjp | #vote yes | 16:52 |
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BjoernT | #vote yes | 16:52 |
cloudnull | while that happening , anything else anyone wants to bring up ? | 16:52 |
Sam-I-Am | well then | 16:52 |
prometheanfire | #vote yes | 16:53 |
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cloudnull | #endvote | 16:54 |
openstack | Voted on "should we have a rotating chair in meeting, yes or no?" Results are | 16:54 |
cloudnull | so i think thats all we've got today . | 16:54 |
odyssey4me | it seems so | 16:54 |
evrardjp | Results are... ? | 16:54 |
cloudnull | it seems the bot is at a loss of words | 16:55 |
Sam-I-Am | fail | 16:55 |
odyssey4me | lol | 16:55 |
Sam-I-Am | maybe its case sensitive? | 16:55 |
cloudnull | likely because we all said, yes and not Yes | 16:55 |
cloudnull | :) | 16:55 |
evrardjp | it could have said "0% Yes" | 16:55 |
cloudnull | #action everyone - start a rotating chair at the beginning of meetings | 16:55 |
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cloudnull | so we're done here. | 16:55 |
prometheanfire | such a good bot | 16:56 |
cloudnull | thanks everyone | 16:56 |
evrardjp | k thx | 16:56 |
prometheanfire | cya | 16:56 |
cloudnull | have a good one | 16:56 |
cloudnull | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 16:56:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-09-17-16.01.html | 16:56 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-09-17-16.01.txt | 16:56 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-09-17-16.01.log.html | 16:56 |
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cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 17:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
vikram | hi | 17:00 |
s3wong | hello | 17:01 |
mohankumar_ | Hi | 17:01 |
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cathy_ | any topics you have in mind? I have several. | 17:02 |
LouisF | hi | 17:02 |
xgerman | o/ | 17:02 |
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cathy_ | 1. action items, 2. Document links 3. CLI integration with APi 4. Horizon client status | 17:03 |
johnsom | o/ | 17:03 |
s3wong | cathy_: sounds good | 17:03 |
cathy_ | #topic last meeting action items update | 17:04 |
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cathy_ | ACTION: Louis or Cathy finish and post the UT codes (cathy_, 17:44:55) ACTION: Louis or Cathy finish and post the updated API, DB, DB migration, Driver Manager etc. codes to be compliant with the approved APIs (cathy_, 17:45:46) | 17:04 |
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cathy_ | These actions have been completed. UT codes and updated API, DB, DB migration and Driver Manager codes were uploaded | 17:05 |
cathy_ | I see a Jenkins -1. Louis? | 17:06 |
LouisF | i am working on the merge issue and will post new patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207251/ | 17:07 |
cathy_ | LouisF: cool. thanks | 17:07 |
cathy_ | ACTION: vikram investigate full-stack testing and bring the info back in next IRC meeting (cathy_, 17:46:46) | 17:07 |
cathy_ | vikram: any update? | 17:07 |
vikram | Sorry, I couldn't much.. I was on a vacation | 17:08 |
vikram | Urgently, need to go home | 17:08 |
cathy_ | vikram: OK, could you get this done by next meeting? | 17:08 |
vikram | sure.. i will | 17:08 |
cathy_ | vikram: Thanks. | 17:09 |
cathy_ | #action vikram investigate full-stack testing and bring the info back in next IRC meeting | 17:09 |
cathy_ | s3wong investigate neutron feature testing and bring the info back in next IRC meeting | 17:09 |
cathy_ | s3wong: any update? | 17:09 |
s3wong | so for Neutron, outside of the aforementioned (in the last meeting) tests of {unit, functional, API, Tempest} | 17:10 |
s3wong | there are two more: {Grenade, Rally} | 17:10 |
s3wong | Grenade is for upgrade/downgrade, which doesn't affect us | 17:11 |
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cathy_ | s3wong: could you elaborate on these two? | 17:11 |
s3wong | and Rally is for scale, which at this point we shouldn't put too much effort at this point | 17:11 |
cathy_ | s3wong: I see. Thanks! | 17:11 |
cathy_ | w.r.t functional and API testing, we are covering these in the UT. DO you mean there are some other specific API testing we need to cover? | 17:12 |
s3wong | cathy_: as the projects become bigger (hopefully), we need to separate out the API tests | 17:13 |
s3wong | cathy_: Neutron does that | 17:13 |
vikram | API tests test plugin and neutron-server integration.. I believe it will be usefu | 17:13 |
vikram | As per neutron, any change in the API we should have corresponding API test case. | 17:14 |
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cathy_ | vikram: do you mean change in the original Neutron API or change in SFC API? | 17:15 |
vikram | cathy_: anything new as well.. | 17:15 |
vikram | cathy_: 'change' menas 'addition'/'deletioin/'modification' | 17:16 |
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vikram | SFC is also neutron sub-project ;) | 17:16 |
cathy_ | vikram: 'addition'/'deletioin/'modification' in Neutron API or in SFC API? | 17:16 |
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cathy_ | vikram: could you clarify what you mean? | 17:17 |
vikram | for SFC API also it should be applicable | 17:17 |
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vikram | cathy_: As we have added new API's, I believe we MUST add API testcases | 17:18 |
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cathy_ | vikram: let's break the issue down so that we are on the same page. If Neutron API change, as long as we have our SFC testing scripts, we can verify whether there is collateral damage. If SFC API change, I assume that tempest tests will catch any caveat | 17:19 |
vikram | cathy_: We will be adding Tempest right? | 17:20 |
vikram | cathy_: You just mentioned unit tests? | 17:20 |
cathy_ | vikram: yes, we will run tempest | 17:21 |
cathy_ | vikram: our UT includes API testing and functional testing. As s3wong mentioned, in the future we could consider separating them | 17:21 |
vikram | cathy_: Then that will be fine.. But in my view we need to have some opinion with exiting cores like amuller or armax on this | 17:22 |
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vikram | cathy_: These will be responsible for approving test sufficiency I believe | 17:22 |
cathy_ | vikram: sure. would you like to take the action item? Or I can take that | 17:22 |
vikram | cathy_: My plate is full :) Better someone can take this UP | 17:23 |
cathy_ | ok | 17:23 |
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cathy_ | #action Cathy check with Neutron core to see if any integration testing with Neutron is needed. Also how to automate the testing of SFC functionality when Neutron API change | 17:24 |
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cathy_ | ACTION: pcarver follow up with Abhinav on functional testing and get back to us in next meeting. | 17:25 |
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cahty | sorry folks, I got disconnected | 17:27 |
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cathy___ | hi | 17:28 |
s3wong | cathy_: cathy___: seems like both you and LouisF are having problems | 17:29 |
cathy___ | s3wong: yes | 17:29 |
cathy___ | now I am back. sorry about this. | 17:29 |
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cathy___ | Paul sent me email telling me that he can not join today's meeting. | 17:29 |
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cathy___ | So let's get the status of the action from him in next meeting. | 17:29 |
cathy___ | But he sent me some work he has finished. Let me share the info here | 17:30 |
cathy___ | A new meeting agenda link is created which you can add your topic to it before each week's meeting. | 17:31 |
cathy___ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting | 17:32 |
cathy___ | Paul said Change to publish networking-sfc/doc/source documents to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-sfc has merged | 17:32 |
cathy___ | But when I checked, that link is invalid. Could you check to see if it is valid? | 17:33 |
LouisF | not found | 17:33 |
cathy___ | #action Louis contacted Paul to let him know the issue. | 17:34 |
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LouisF | i will check with Paul | 17:34 |
cathy___ | #action Louis contacts Paul to let him know the issue. | 17:34 |
cathy___ | #topic CLI integration with API | 17:36 |
cathy___ | vikram: mohankumar_ any update or issue? | 17:36 |
vikram | mohankumar_: Please update the status | 17:37 |
mohankumar_ | Facing some integration issue with server code | 17:37 |
vikram | mohankumar_: What issue? | 17:37 |
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mohankumar_ | Plugins are not getting installed correctly ..while starting devstack getiing installation error | 17:38 |
LouisF | what install error? | 17:39 |
mohankumar_ | Tomorrow I 'll check with vikram and get back | 17:39 |
cathy___ | mohankumar_: OK, sounds good. | 17:39 |
vikram | cathy__: Thanks for posting the code... | 17:40 |
LouisF | ok contact me on any problems | 17:40 |
vikram | cathy__: Will update the status by tomorrow EOD | 17:40 |
cathy___ | vikram: sure | 17:40 |
vikram | LouisF: Thanks | 17:40 |
cathy___ | vikram: sure | 17:40 |
cathy___ | #topic horizon client status | 17:40 |
mohankumar_ | cathy__: Horizon patch with compliant with new api , planning to publish in next week .. | 17:40 |
cathy___ | mohankumar_: cool | 17:41 |
cathy___ | #action mohankumar_ publish Horizon client codes next week | 17:41 |
cathy___ | #topic code review timeline | 17:41 |
vikram | mohankumar__: great work! | 17:42 |
vikram | mohankumar_: great work! | 17:42 |
cathy___ | mohankumar_: yes, great work and thanks for your contribution | 17:42 |
mohankumar_ | cathy___: vikram thanks | 17:42 |
cathy___ | what is a reasonable timeline for us to finish the integration testing and code review? | 17:43 |
cathy___ | let's put some pressure on everyone:-) | 17:43 |
mohankumar_ | cathy___: directory structure need to modify as per entry points specified | 17:44 |
mohankumar_ | In setup.cfg file | 17:44 |
cathy___ | mohankumar_: OK, could you post your comment on this online? | 17:45 |
LouisF | mohankumar_: will fix | 17:45 |
mohankumar_ | cathy___: I did | 17:45 |
cathy___ | mohankumar_: OK, thanks. | 17:45 |
cathy___ | LouisF: thanks for fixing this. | 17:46 |
mohankumar_ | LouisF: thanks | 17:46 |
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cathy___ | LouisF: vikram s3wong mohankumar_ what do you think is a reasonable timeline to have the code review completed? | 17:47 |
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vikram | cathy__: Code size is around 8K.. We need atleast 2 weeks time | 17:48 |
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LouisF | oct 9? | 17:48 |
mohankumar_ | vikram: +1 | 17:48 |
vikram | LouisF: that would be fine for me | 17:48 |
s3wong | cathy___: yeah, I think what vikram said is reasonable... this patch set is too big for a quick glance. we probably need at least 2 weeks | 17:48 |
cathy___ | How about 3 weeks, by Oct. 9th let's get ready to merge the codes? | 17:49 |
LouisF | sure | 17:49 |
s3wong | cathy___: +1 | 17:49 |
s3wong | couple weeks before the summit for any slippage, sounds reasonable | 17:49 |
mohankumar_ | cathy___: sounds good | 17:49 |
vikram | cathy__: I would have preferred breaking the patch sets in chunks for effective review :) | 17:50 |
vikram | cathy___: But anyways, let's not do that now .. as we have lot of other wrok | 17:50 |
vikram | cathy___: 3 weeks would be okay | 17:51 |
cathy___ | #agreed everyone helps with the integration testing, bug fixes, and update of the codes and actively does code review. We will have all review done and code merged by 10/9/2015 | 17:52 |
cathy___ | any other issue you would like to discuss? | 17:52 |
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cathy___ | s3wong: if you see some issues of the codes, feel free to fix them and upload new patches. OK with you? | 17:53 |
s3wong | cathy___: sure | 17:53 |
cathy___ | s3wong: thanks! | 17:53 |
vikram | cathy___: +1 | 17:54 |
LouisF | +1 | 17:54 |
cathy___ | That's all for today's meeting. bye now. | 17:54 |
LouisF | bye | 17:54 |
mohankumar_ | Bye | 17:54 |
s3wong | bye | 17:54 |
cathy___ | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
vikram | I believe if we want to make it happen then all of us should jump rather making cathy___ and LouisF to fix all the comments | 17:55 |
s3wong | cathy___: well, you are no longer cathy_ who started the meeting :-) | 17:55 |
LouisF | +1 | 17:55 |
cathy___ | vikram: 100% agree | 17:55 |
s3wong | cathy___: so I don't think your #endmeeting is going to work anymore :-) | 17:55 |
cathy___ | s3wong: Ok I see | 17:55 |
vikram | ;) | 17:55 |
cathy___ | s3wong: how to fix it? | 17:55 |
s3wong | cathy___: unfortunately no way to fix that :-( | 17:56 |
vikram | probably we can ask infra help | 17:56 |
s3wong | cathy___: next time make other attendees chairs just in case | 17:56 |
vikram | otherwise i feel meeting couldn't be logged? | 17:56 |
cathy___ | s3wong: sure. | 17:56 |
vikram | cathy___: register nick for you | 17:57 |
cathy___ | s3wong: we would like the meeting to be logged. Anyway to do this? | 17:57 |
vikram | cathy___: you will never have this issue then | 17:57 |
LouisF | #nick Louis | 17:57 |
s3wong | cathy___: cathy_ has dropped out, so you may be able to log back in as cathy_? | 17:57 |
cathy___ | s3wong: OK, let me try | 17:57 |
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s3wong | LouisF: I do believe one would have a issue a /msg to NickServ | 17:58 |
cathy___ | s3wong: vikram before I try, could you copy the meeting logs into a file and we can ask the infra team to post them if nothing works | 17:58 |
cathy___ | I only see partial log | 17:58 |
vikram | me too | 17:59 |
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s3wong | cathy___: try /nick cathy_ | 17:59 |
vikram | i have copied | 17:59 |
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cathy___ | vikram: thanks! | 17:59 |
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cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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s3wong | cathy_: there :-) | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 18:00:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-09-17-17.00.html | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-09-17-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-09-17-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
s3wong | cathy_: see, not too hard :-) | 18:00 |
cathy_ | cool! s3wong Thanks! | 18:00 |
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cathy_ | s3wong: :-) :-) | 18:00 |
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