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| raginbajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 14:04:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raginbajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 14:04 |
| raginbajin | \o | 14:04 |
| raginbajin | o/ | 14:04 |
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| raginbajin | Please see the announcement on the Operators LIst serve for new times and dates | 14:24 |
| raginbajin | #stopmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 14:24 |
| raginbajin | #endmeeting | 14:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 14:25:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-09-09-14.04.html | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-09-09-14.04.txt | 14:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-09-09-14.04.log.html | 14:25 |
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| zehicle | #startingmeeting defcore 14 | 15:02 |
| zehicle | #startmeeting defcore flag 14 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 15:03:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zehicle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore_flag_14' | 15:03 |
| zehicle | #chair hogepodge markvoelker | 15:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge markvoelker zehicle | 15:03 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.14 | 15:04 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://join.me/912-870-589 today's screenshare/dialin | 15:04 |
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| zehicle | #action no new caps for Nova - there are not enough tests | 15:06 |
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| zehicle | REMINDER > this meeting is interactive using https://join.me/912-870-589 | 15:07 |
| zehicle | call in > #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.14 | 15:08 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219873/ | 15:12 |
| zehicle | #action We are going to bring in the Info APIs (version) capabilities to Nova. | 15:12 |
| zehicle | These are new caps but we feel they are import because of current discussions on the public list | 15:12 |
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| zehicle | #action merge single test caps into larger caps | 15:24 |
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| markvoelker | #action markvoelker Submit patchset 13 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210080 consolidating outlier capabilities w/few tests into other caps, add designated sections | 15:31 |
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| hogepodge | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-blockstorage-v1.html | 15:34 |
| hogepodge | thingee: can you give us guidance on the state of the v1/v2 transition? | 15:35 |
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| * thingee finds release notes on it | 15:36 | |
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| hogepodge | we were interested in the nova integration in particular | 15:36 |
| thingee | hogepodge: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#REST_API | 15:37 |
| thingee | hogepodge: also see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#Cinder_API_v2 | 15:37 |
| hogepodge | We're trying to score the capabilities for cinder, targeting 2016.01 release https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221631/ | 15:37 |
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| hogepodge | thingee: we'll (mostly markvoelker) will be catching up later to chat about this if you're available. | 15:38 |
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| thingee | hogepodge: no problem! | 15:40 |
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| zehicle | we discussed cinder v1 vs v2 inclusion. | 15:41 |
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| zehicle | #action for now we are going to assume that BOTH are moving forward for consideration. we may address dropping v1 in the future | 15:42 |
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| hogepodge | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/api/identity/v2/test_api_discovery.py | 15:45 |
| hogepodge | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/api/identity/v3/test_api_discovery.py | 15:45 |
| hogepodge | #action hogepodge add tests to keystone review | 15:46 |
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| markvoelker | #action catherine_dl1 to add scores and proposed tests to 216983 | 15:59 |
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| zehicle | next meeting will be IRC | 16:00 |
| zehicle | meeting after that will be interactive again for Capabilities review | 16:00 |
| zehicle | thank you everyone! | 16:00 |
| zehicle | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 16:00:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore_flag_14/2015/defcore_flag_14.2015-09-09-15.03.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore_flag_14/2015/defcore_flag_14.2015-09-09-15.03.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore_flag_14/2015/defcore_flag_14.2015-09-09-15.03.log.html | 16:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 16:30:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:30 |
| akwasnie | hi | 16:30 |
| sdake | yo folks o/ | 16:30 |
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| pbourke | howdy | 16:31 |
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| rhallisey | hey | 16:31 |
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| sdake | i'll give it acuple more minutes | 16:32 |
| inc0 | afternoon | 16:32 |
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| vbel | hi everyone | 16:32 |
| sdake | #topic rc1 planning | 16:32 |
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| sdake | no anncuncements for this week btw ;) | 16:33 |
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| [Leeloo] | Hello | 16:33 |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 16:33 |
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| sdake | hey [Leeloo] | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | hey | 16:33 |
| sdake | you see we have a whole lot of blueprints | 16:34 |
| sdake | the deadline is the 25th | 16:34 |
| sdake | on the 18th I'm going to kick out any low/medium blueprints not in good progress to mitaka | 16:34 |
| pbourke | sdake: fyi I dont see myself having time to tackle neutron-third-party-plugins | 16:35 |
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| sdake | ok kicking it now then moment | 16:35 |
| pbourke | so unless someone wants to grab it kick it forward I guess | 16:35 |
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| sdake | are ther eany other blueprnts people want to kick | 16:36 |
| pbourke | mickt's ansible-murano is done | 16:36 |
| pbourke | will mark as so | 16:36 |
| sdake | going to go through the started ones now and get a status update | 16:37 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/logging-container | 16:37 |
| inc0 | review is upstream | 16:37 |
| sdake | inc0 will this definately make good progress by the 18th? | 16:37 |
| sdake | is that all the reviews required? | 16:37 |
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| inc0 | no, we'll need to turn services to use it | 16:38 |
| sdake | ok start working on those reviews please | 16:38 |
| sdake | don't serialize waiting on this review to finish | 16:38 |
| sdake | blocked anywhere or all set? | 16:39 |
| inc0 | well, I'd just like confirmation if approach itself is correct | 16:39 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/replace-config-external | 16:39 |
| sdake | inc0 i will review your patch after meeting | 16:39 |
| sdake | and provide guidance there | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | sdake, I'll be ready with that | 16:39 |
| sdake | rhallisey it needs to finish sooner rather then later :) | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | I'm changing stuff around to work w/ keystone | 16:39 |
| sdake | its a big change | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | yes | 16:39 |
| sdake | i dont want it landing on the 25th | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | once I get past keystone it should just be copy paste | 16:40 |
| sdake | ok well please if you are blocked reach out to me | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | kk | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | I'm good atm | 16:40 |
| rhallisey | thanks though | 16:40 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kolla-ansible-script | 16:40 |
| sdake | Hu had indicated he would provide status updates via the mailing list or irc | 16:41 |
| sdake | haven't seen any of that | 16:41 |
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| sdake | may need to reassign this | 16:41 |
| sdake | since sam isn't here I won't cover his blueprints | 16:41 |
| sdake | mongodb + ceilometer, coolsvap said he is working on this weekend to wrap up | 16:42 |
| sdake | in my mind, that leaves us in good shape for a release | 16:42 |
| sdake | the one problem spot is cinder | 16:42 |
| sdake | which is totally bust | 16:42 |
| sdake | anyone brave enough to take on ownership of fixing cinder? | 16:43 |
| rhallisey | I will if I finish the refactor in time | 16:43 |
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| rhallisey | like this week | 16:43 |
| pbourke | sdake: can you summarise the problem if possible? | 16:43 |
| sdake | lvm creation works, attachin to vm does not work | 16:44 |
| sdake | but i did alot of work to mke lvm creation work thta may be incompatible with vm attachment | 16:44 |
| sdake | it may be that we kick cinder out of liberty | 16:44 |
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| sdake | are there other peices of work people intend to bring into rc1? | 16:45 |
| sdake | jpeeler since your here, mind giving us a quick update on ironic? | 16:45 |
| jpeeler | i have a review up for ironic, but i need to finish it | 16:45 |
| jpeeler | it just needs the neutron portion completed | 16:46 |
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| sdake | do you end up with a nova that can schedule bare metal and vms? | 16:46 |
| jpeeler | no, i sent out an email to dev list about it and got no response, so i don't think that is possible without multiple availability zones | 16:47 |
| sdake | jpeeler i'll follow up with the ptl and try to get a response to your email | 16:47 |
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| sdake | did you tag with [rionic] ? | 16:47 |
| jpeeler | i did | 16:47 |
| sdake | ok, i think we want to avoid having ironic take over nova | 16:48 |
| sdake | sound slike your almost blocked on a response on that email | 16:48 |
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| jpeeler | it's disabled by default | 16:48 |
| sdake | ya but if you want to use it, you can only use ironic and nothing else? | 16:49 |
| sdake | that doesn't make any sense ;) | 16:49 |
| inc0 | yeah, ironic is required to have kolla-based undercloud | 16:49 |
| jpeeler | it's main usage case is for undercloud i would suspect | 16:49 |
| jpeeler | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073530.html | 16:49 |
| sdake | i want to use it to schedule bare metal vms | 16:49 |
| sdake | alongside virtua lmachines | 16:49 |
| sdake | in other words, as an overcloud ;) | 16:50 |
| jpeeler | would be nice, but i don't know how to do that | 16:50 |
| sdake | ok well lets get some followup on the mailing list | 16:50 |
| sdake | i'll take that action | 16:50 |
| sdake | #topic bug squashing | 16:50 |
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| sdake | we have 40-50 bugs in the bug tracker | 16:50 |
| sdake | half of them are unowned | 16:50 |
| sdake | i try to fix 1-2 a day | 16:50 |
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| sdake | but it would be helpful if other folks could take on atleast 1-2 bugs for the release | 16:51 |
| sdake | there are about 20 unassigned | 16:51 |
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| sdake | after rc1, we have rc2 and rc3, with 1 week intervals | 16:51 |
| sdake | at rc1, I think I'm branching liberty | 16:52 |
| sdake | and then we will backport for the rc2/rc3 tags if bug fixes hit master | 16:52 |
| sdake | that way development can continue on in master | 16:52 |
| sdake | after rc1 | 16:52 |
| sdake | we wont be backporting features | 16:52 |
| sdake | just bug fixes | 16:52 |
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| sdake | can i get acks from folks in the meeting that eveyrone understands the plans and schedule? | 16:54 |
| pbourke | +1 | 16:54 |
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| harmw | check | 16:54 |
| sdake | hey harmw :) | 16:54 |
| harmw | :) | 16:54 |
| jmccarthy | ack | 16:54 |
| jpeeler | sounds good | 16:54 |
| sdake | ok thats all I have so :) | 16:54 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:54 | |
| sdake | i know i've been burning up our agenda the last month and left little time for open discussion | 16:55 |
| sdake | so now is 30 mins available :) | 16:55 |
| inc0 | when do we move to openstack github? | 16:55 |
| sdake | 11th (friday) | 16:55 |
| inc0 | cool | 16:55 |
| pbourke | would be interested to know what kind of test scenarios people are running these days? | 16:56 |
| pbourke | if any? ;) | 16:56 |
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| sdake | pbourke i run multinode over and over 3 control 1 network 3 storage 3 compute | 16:56 |
| sdake | works like a champ | 16:56 |
| sdake | for centos +binary | 16:56 |
| pbourke | sdake: nice | 16:56 |
| pbourke | sdake: im attempting the same but not yet got to booting a vm | 16:57 |
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| inc0 | I did ubuntu and it works as well | 16:57 |
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| sdake | i have noticed one problem, if a container is in restart state, the container contents ins't updated, need to file a bug for that | 16:57 |
| inc0 | building behind proxy works like charm | 16:57 |
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| rhallisey | sorry dc'd | 16:57 |
| harmw | sdake: ? | 16:57 |
| pbourke | it would be nice to brainstorm painpoints people are noticing during testing at some stage | 16:57 |
| harmw | sounds like you want it to pull again, right? | 16:57 |
| sdake | harmw if a container is restarting, it wont be pulled again | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | is anyone else running into the haproxy user creation issue? | 16:57 |
| pbourke | rhallisey: yes | 16:58 |
| sdake | rhallisey could yo ugo into more detail | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | it's driving me crazy | 16:58 |
| harmw | doesn't restart policy do the pulling sdake ? | 16:58 |
| pbourke | rhallisey: only in AIO though? | 16:58 |
| sdake | i've had ha proxy creation fail a couple times during my 50-100 deploys | 16:58 |
| sdake | harmw no | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | pbourke, ya that's why I use | 16:58 |
| harmw | ok , please file a bug:) | 16:58 |
| pbourke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1491782 | 16:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491782 in kolla "Fail to create haproxy mysql user" [Critical,Triaged] | 16:58 |
| sdake | rhallisey how consistent is it for you? | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | takes forever to test cause 1/2 the time haproxy blows up | 16:58 |
| pbourke | its intermitent it seems | 16:58 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, It will break like 10 times in a row then stop | 16:59 |
| sdake | its only AIO? | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | and come back | 16:59 |
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| rhallisey | ya it's AIO | 16:59 |
| inc0 | why do we even run haproxy in aio tho? | 16:59 |
| sdake | inc0 simpler to setup playbook wise | 16:59 |
| vbel | check moving parts :) | 16:59 |
| sdake | btw, pleae do not recommend wierd debug sessions with people like turning off haproxy | 16:59 |
| sdake | it makes it much harder to diagnose their actual problem ;) | 17:00 |
| sdake | speaking of diagnostics, we could really use some more docs ;) | 17:00 |
| sdake | people struggle over the meaning of a VIP | 17:00 |
| harmw | anything specific sdake (area)? | 17:01 |
| sdake | and the ha architecture | 17:01 |
| sdake | i get questions on it all the time | 17:01 |
| sdake | people want to understand how he haproxy round robin works | 17:01 |
| harmw | maybe I can get some time to get into /docs :) | 17:01 |
| sdake | i still haven't quite got it pictured in my brain | 17:01 |
| inc0 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/sanity-check-container this would help in terms of finding which service broke in the first place | 17:01 |
| inc0 | it's often that for example glance endpoint creatin fails because keystone didnt start correctly | 17:02 |
| pbourke | sdake: have you experienced any timing issues wrt to maria coming up before keepalived? So it cant access the vip (multinode) | 17:02 |
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| inc0 | and ansible marked it as success because there is no checking whatsoever | 17:02 |
| inc0 | pbourke, keepalived runs before maria in ansible | 17:03 |
| pbourke | how do people feel about supplying a handful of helper ansible tasks. for resetting the cluster, checking status etc | 17:03 |
| jpeeler | i like the idea, but creating separate containers for each services seems like overkill to me | 17:03 |
| inc0 | and it's rocket fast...if you remember to enable ip_Vs | 17:03 |
| pbourke | inc0: we're hitting instances where that's not the case, I'll follow up with a bug | 17:03 |
| sdake | pbourke haven't seen that but i have really fast hardware | 17:03 |
| pbourke | sdake: kk | 17:03 |
| inc0 | yeah, we hit all sort of races because ansible just sets up container, not waiting for service to start | 17:04 |
| harmw | we could change that | 17:04 |
| harmw | probably | 17:04 |
| harmw | registering some thing, and check stdout or something | 17:05 |
| pbourke | yeah that really sucks | 17:05 |
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| inc0 | let's brainstorm solution maybe? | 17:07 |
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| pbourke | harmw's suggestion of checking stdout seems ok | 17:07 |
| inc0 | checking docker logs will be ugly | 17:07 |
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| harmw | sdake: if the formal meeting is over, perhaps we should just move to #kolla now :) | 17:07 |
| sdake | yup sounds good | 17:07 |
| sdake | thanks folks :) | 17:07 |
| sdake | good session :) | 17:07 |
| inc0 | thanks | 17:07 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:07 |
| rhallisey | cool thanks | 17:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 17:07:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-09-09-16.30.html | 17:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-09-09-16.30.txt | 17:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-09-09-16.30.log.html | 17:07 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:54 |
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| Rockyg | anyone here? | 20:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:01 |
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| Rockyg | hey! I'm on the phone so I'm distacted... | 20:03 |
| bknudson | hang up | 20:04 |
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| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 20:04:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:04 |
| Rockyg | jokke_ got us a workroom session | 20:05 |
| bknudson | good that we got one. | 20:05 |
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| bknudson | we have made a little progress | 20:05 |
| bknudson | still lots to do | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | yup | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | just a sec... | 20:07 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 20:08 |
| jokke_ | sorry for being bit late | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | OK. I'm back! | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | #topic Tokyo | 20:08 |
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| Rockyg | Again, jokke_ got us a room...wanna elaborate? | 20:09 |
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| jokke_ | yeah, we got working session for Wednesday noon (just before lunch) | 20:09 |
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| jokke_ | It's small room, but I assumed that we will survive with that | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | kewl. | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | small is fine. | 20:10 |
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| jokke_ | so as rocky told me we were bundled together in the ops side, now we have one in the dev side as well | 20:10 |
| bknudson | how small? | 20:10 |
| jokke_ | hopefully we manage to get bit more traction | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | So, in prep for that , I plan on joining the oslo docs sprint for liberty. | 20:11 |
| bknudson | hopefully it won't conflict with a keystone session | 20:11 |
| Rockyg | #action document the log config options during doc sprint | 20:11 |
| Rockyg | #action document the loggin system architecture during olso doc sprint | 20:12 |
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| bknudson | we should get all the log config options in their own section | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | Let's hope. I'd love to get keystone as part of the focus for the dev log woking session... | 20:12 |
| bknudson | rather than prefix with logging_ | 20:12 |
| jokke_ | It was close call there was just few slots left and it was day before closing for those rooms. Also as we didn't have any actual schedules, we can just hope it's not overlapping too much | 20:12 |
| jokke_ | and I'm not sure what size room it is, but iirc in Vancouver we were told that the smaller working session rooms would be about the same as the small rooms in the 3rd floor in vancouver | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | so <20 people | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | I think now is the time we let ttx know where we *don't* want conflicts. They have the number of rooms figured out, now they start on who gets what when | 20:14 |
| bknudson | everybody talks about usability but then when it comes to assigning summit sessions... | 20:14 |
| jokke_ | so do we have other avoidances than oslo, keystone, glance? | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys attack... | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | That and API wg | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | bknudson, so, you mean configs in doc, requirements.txt or ....? for all in one section? | 20:17 |
| jokke_ | well API wg is cut from the same pool so I assume no overlapping | 20:17 |
| bknudson | in the .conf file, put them in a section | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | Definitely! | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | If we get the full list, we can see if they'll let us put a section is that is all commented out, but with basic info | 20:19 |
| Rockyg | I know they're trying to reduce the number of .conf files, also, so we should definitely clean up those, too. | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | I wish I had an intern. So much more of this would have already been done. | 20:21 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: :) | 20:21 |
| jokke_ | or just time to do the stuff :) | 20:21 |
| Rockyg | bknudson, any chance I can get you tovolunteer to review the .conf file and make a suggestion? | 20:21 |
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| jokke_ | so one tihng ref Tokyo we still need to do is to give topic to our session | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | jokke_, yeah, time. I'm supposed to be at a two day meeting in China on 9/23-24 | 20:22 |
| bknudson | Rockyg: I'm signed up for the oslo doc day | 20:23 |
| bknudson | that's this week? | 20:23 |
| jokke_ | sounds great ... makes really sense to fly all the way there for 2 days | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | then back to tokyo a month later... | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | yup | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | btw have you everything booked for Tokyo? | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | bknudson, no, in a week and a half. Don't even have a visa yet | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | Just a hint the close by hotels are starting to be sold out | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | got a room, not a flight | 20:24 |
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| bknudson | I'm all booked for tokyo summit | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | So, here's what I'd love to have for a dev work session for Tokyo... | 20:25 |
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| jokke_ | good stuff same here got everything sorted Monday I think | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | -- a bunch of bps for stuff for liberty | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | a list of bugs we want fixed | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | reminder, we have 40min | 20:27 |
| bknudson | 40 mins is never enough | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | -- a bp/spec for error code placeholder in log message structure -- flexibility | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | the last one is because it appears easier to get the place holder than have folks decide on what an error code looks like. | 20:27 |
| jokke_ | Personally I think the best use for that time would be to try to get as much interested folks into same room as possible and trying to get this meeting to be bit more that 3-4 of us talking weekly | 20:28 |
| bknudson | we could also try to get together at other times if we're not too busy | 20:28 |
| jokke_ | I'd really like to get some folks together to put down common log line format which would get support in the dev community | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | Yes, I get in early and usually don't have evening stuff before it all starts | 20:29 |
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| jokke_ | we've been talking with ops about that few times and we have it somewhere, now we need to get devs meeting the ops with implementation ;) | 20:29 |
| bknudson | ops saying they need better logs might help | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | #action Rockyg to talk with tom about ops log session being scheduled before dev session | 20:30 |
| bknudson | or devs saying we need better logs might help, too. | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | The Lunch room is going to be available for ad-hoc round table sittings outside of lunchtime | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | bknudson, we have to put up a strawman for dev. most of them don't deal well with ambiguity | 20:31 |
| bknudson | I agree we need to be more specific than "better" | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: yes and no ... they are screaming that, but "We need better X, Y, Z" is not actionable so nothing gets done ... we need exact improvements | 20:31 |
| bknudson | although it works for trump to say his obamacare replacement will be something terrific. | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | You know trump's uncle was a prof at MIT | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | How about we start an etherpad and start putting up a format? | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | #topic meeting time change and getting more participants | 20:33 |
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| bknudson | what's wrong with the current format? | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | bknudson, option to have placeholders for missing optional fields.... | 20:33 |
| jokke_ | and exactly placeholders so - if that field is not provided so that the count of fields will be standard | 20:34 |
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| bknudson | btw, my change for keystone to log request ID is merged for L: http://logs.openstack.org/11/218511/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/9de3975/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz?level=INFO | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | would also be nice to make the order of fields the same across projects | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: I saw it, good stuff | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | kewl | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | I'll have to read it | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | #link http://logs.openstack.org/11/218511/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/9de3975/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz?level=INFO | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | also when uuid is used for identification, we should be consistent on number of bits used | 20:37 |
| bknudson | I don't think we do anything with the default log format. | 20:38 |
| bknudson | so what you see in the log there is what you get with openstack by default | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | So, maybe an etherpad on list of bugs, specific features/fixes, and docs | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. That looks good. Maybe we just advertise that the default is good to all the devs through devref? Don't mess with it unless you *know what you're doing!"? | 20:40 |
| bknudson | could also say "you don't know what you're doing" | 20:40 |
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| Rockyg | I think one of the docs we really need is one describing what devs should log and how. One reference that is linked from all the projects' devrefs | 20:41 |
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| Rockyg | bknudson, ++ ;-) | 20:41 |
| bknudson | btw - my opinion is that the log format isn't really all that good. | 20:41 |
| bknudson | there are fields there that really only apply to nova. | 20:41 |
| bknudson | I think one of the dashes there is the instance ID ... which doesn't apply to keystone | 20:42 |
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| Rockyg | There is a spec for app agnostic logging. It's in the olso specs, I think. Lemme check... | 20:42 |
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| Rockyg | here's the bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+spec/app-agnostic-logging-parameters | 20:45 |
| bknudson | old skool bps. | 20:46 |
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| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95281/3/specs/juno/app-agnostic-logging-parameters.rst | 20:46 |
| bknudson | it's merged since juno | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | jup | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | Yup. following the trail, though is long and sucks. | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | So, read up on that and if you have any comments/changes/etc, submit them as an amendment to the spec. | 20:47 |
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| jokke_ | sounds like a plan | 20:48 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.log/tree/oslo_log/_options.py#n101 still has instance | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | Here's the readable format of all the oslo specs: #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/ | 20:50 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: not all, approved | 20:51 |
| Rockyg | Yup. | 20:51 |
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| Rockyg | And I need to suggest to docs or infra or someone that there needs to be an alternate organization for specs so that all current ones for each project are in one place | 20:52 |
| Rockyg | instead of "here are the current specs...but don't forget the old ones because they apply, too, even though they aren HERE" | 20:52 |
| bknudson | so my initial change was just to get the request ID in the logs, I've got a separate change to get the rest of the user info in the logs. | 20:53 |
| bknudson | this stuff - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.context/tree/oslo_context/context.py#n43 | 20:53 |
| Rockyg | check out: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+spec/user-identity-format-flexibility and the spec that goes with it | 20:54 |
| bknudson | keystone doesn't need identity format to be flexible. | 20:55 |
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| Rockyg | That actually got in and I want to use that for Error Code flexibility | 20:55 |
| bknudson | actually, I'd prefer it wasn't flexible. | 20:55 |
| bknudson | since I don't want people who "know what they're doing" but don't actually know what they're doing to change it. | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | Ah, but what that is is the place holder to put the stuff. If ops says "we want it this way" we can get it pinned down. | 20:56 |
| bknudson | for example, whoever came up with '{user} {tenant} {domain} {user_domain} {p_domain}' doesn't know that we renamed tenant to project. | 20:56 |
| jokke_ | or does know, but doesn't care :P | 20:57 |
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| Rockyg | or does know but got slapped by someone who doesn't know | 20:57 |
| Rockyg | Plus, project is overloaded, so for documentation sake, maybe they are saying "we know what tenant means and it goes with p_domain but all the overloading of terms is confusing" | 20:58 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 20:58 |
| bknudson | how does anybody know that p_domain goes with tenant? | 20:59 |
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| Rockyg | Exactly. | 20:59 |
| bknudson | I know because I've been working on keystone for a long time. | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | I have no idea what p_domain is ;) | 20:59 |
| Rockyg | But how does anyone one know that project replaces tenant and isn't talking about neutron or nova or.... | 20:59 |
| bknudson | that's a good question why keystone chose "project" which was already in use. | 21:00 |
| bknudson | not sure what was wrong with tenant. | 21:00 |
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| jokke_ | there was probably osme loud individual who was just persistently against every other proposal | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | that's how most of the bad OpenStack decisions seems to be made ;) | 21:01 |
| Rockyg | well, it makes sense in its own way, especially if you consider different teams work on different projects and each project wants its own cloud | 21:01 |
| bknudson | nova wants its own cloud? | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | well we're out of time | 21:01 |
| Rockyg | no, but the marketing team wants its own cloud;-) | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 21:02:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-09-09-20.04.html | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-09-09-20.04.txt | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-09-09-20.04.log.html | 21:02 |
| jokke_ | thanks again for good discussions and remember to promote the summit session! | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | Maybe we should find a channel to turn up more often and discuss this sort of stuff. | 21:02 |
| bknudson | but not too much since seating is limited. | 21:02 |
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| bknudson | save me a seat if you show up first | 21:03 |
| Rockyg | Will do! | 21:03 |
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