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| xichengc | hey rockyg | 00:59 |
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| xichengc | let's wait for Weidong to log on | 00:59 |
| rockyg | hi xichengc | 00:59 |
| chenshuai | hi guys | 00:59 |
| chigang | hi | 00:59 |
| xichengc | hi | 01:00 |
| chigang | baigk is going to apply his passport, so he will miss this meeting | 01:00 |
| xichengc | Will you cover his part? | 01:00 |
| wshao | hello | 01:00 |
| xichengc | Today will be about status sync | 01:01 |
| xichengc | hello wshao | 01:01 |
| rockyg | Hi! | 01:01 |
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| wshao | let's sync up on the upstream ansible status | 01:01 |
| chigang | xichengc: xuhan will cover baigk, let us wait | 01:01 |
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| chigang | xuhan1: hi | 01:02 |
| xichengc | #startmeeting Compass Status Syncup | 01:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 10 01:02:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xichengc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:02 |
| wshao | chigang: we are waiting on more detailed info on the status so that we can integrate the Compass metadata etc to support it | 01:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Compass Status Syncup)" | 01:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'compass_status_syncup' | 01:02 |
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| xichengc | #topic upstream ansible status | 01:02 |
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| chigang | #info we have finished deploying AllinOne Openstack by OSAD | 01:04 |
| wshao | any further progress beyond all-in-one? | 01:04 |
| rockyg | cool | 01:04 |
| chigang | #info but speed is too low | 01:04 |
| xichengc | chigang could you provide us the paramters as we talked about? | 01:04 |
| wshao | chigang: we shall raise the question to the mailing list, on offline install option. | 01:05 |
| chigang | wshao: OSAD dont support offline installation | 01:05 |
| xichengc | #action wshao and chigang to raise the installation speed question to the openstack-dev mailing list | 01:05 |
| wshao | xichengc: could you send a message with [Compass] and [Openstack-ansible-deployment] prefix? | 01:06 |
| xichengc | wshao to the openstack-dev mailing list? | 01:06 |
| wshao | it does not support. But shall they support the use case of offline-install? | 01:06 |
| chigang | wshao: it is too slow installation in China, the network condition is not good for us | 01:06 |
| wshao | A common requirement for many data center installation. | 01:06 |
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| wshao | yes. openstack-dev | 01:07 |
| xichengc | wshao the question is "is OSAD responsible for supporting offline install or is it compass/fuel's responsibility to support it in our installers" | 01:08 |
| wshao | installers. but OSAD as a building block has to support it also. | 01:09 |
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| xuhan | OSAD will build repo, if installer do another, it may waste more time | 01:10 |
| rockyg | xichengc, it's not who is responsible. There is a use case for offline install. The question is whether they plan to address the use case, or maybe someone can provide it to them | 01:10 |
| xichengc | other than putting rpm repo urls and download links in config file instead of hardcoding it in ansible yml tasks, I am not sure what else they can do to support offline installation | 01:10 |
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| chenshuai | the aim of OPNFV for installers is to support deployment offline, and compass4nfv is working on this | 01:11 |
| chenshuai | so I think OSAD need support also | 01:11 |
| wshao | ok. one way to do that is to have OSAD support two phases: build and install. | 01:11 |
| wshao | At build phase, internet access is assumed. but at install phase, it support offline. Let me study if that is possible, and then send out a question to them. | 01:12 |
| xichengc | rockyg are they fully aware of this use case? Is there any installers that have already done it? | 01:12 |
| chenshuai | wshao: yes, build phase is not needed offline, but deployment need | 01:12 |
| wshao | xichengc: the requirement is valid, regardless of the current status. | 01:13 |
| wshao | chenshuai: thanks, | 01:13 |
| wshao | ok, let's move on | 01:14 |
| xichengc | should i action it to you? | 01:14 |
| wshao | sure. | 01:14 |
| rockyg | Don't know if they are aware. So, the way to write the email is to first state the use case and that it is a fairly common one. then to pose the question of whether they are planning to address it already or if a new spec needs to be written. | 01:14 |
| wshao | rockyg: thanks | 01:14 |
| xichengc | thanks rockyg | 01:14 |
| wshao | move on to the topic of "plugin". | 01:15 |
| xichengc | #action wshao to conduct research on the possibility of having two phases of installation: build and install | 01:15 |
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| xichengc | #topic status on OSAD as a compass plugin | 01:16 |
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| wshao | current plugins are not cleanly separated from compass-core, Carl is looking into a better plugin mechanism. Fuel 6.0 has a clean way of adding plugin. It allows extensions from independent 3rd-party developers. | 01:16 |
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| wshao | In our case, the Cobbler is tightly coupled from compass-core code, so is the snmp-based discovery, and Chef-based package installer. | 01:17 |
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| wshao | hope to see some progress on this by next week. | 01:18 |
| xichengc | thanks wshao. what about adding OSAD as a compass adapter? | 01:19 |
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| xichengc | a separate topic? | 01:19 |
| chenshuai | what's difference between as a plugin and as a adapter? | 01:20 |
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| wshao | good question, a plugin is a code extension. where a single plugin may support more than one adapters. | 01:21 |
| wshao | eg., chef installer could be a plugin, but that pluging support two adapters => IceHouse chef cookbooks, and Kilo. | 01:22 |
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| chenshuai | all right, thanks | 01:22 |
| wshao | ok. any other topics? | 01:23 |
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| xichengc | Has gyu received the paramters from baigk? | 01:24 |
| gyu | not yet | 01:24 |
| xichengc | can we accelerate on that? chigang | 01:24 |
| wshao | xichengc: have an action on that. | 01:24 |
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| chigang | baigk is leaving for apply passport | 01:25 |
| chigang | when he come back, I will tell to handle it | 01:25 |
| xichengc | #action baigk to provide parameters to gyu for OSAD integration | 01:25 |
| gyu | thanks | 01:25 |
| xichengc | thanks | 01:25 |
| chigang | maybe next month he will go to Santa Clara:) | 01:26 |
| gyu | welcome | 01:26 |
| xichengc | great | 01:26 |
| xichengc | wshao anything else? | 01:26 |
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| xichengc | wshao had to leave first | 01:29 |
| xichengc | any other topics? | 01:29 |
| xichengc | any other topics? 5.. | 01:30 |
| xichengc | any other topics? 4.. | 01:30 |
| xichengc | any other topics? 3.. | 01:30 |
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| xichengc | any other topics? 2.. | 01:30 |
| xichengc | any other topics? 1.. | 01:30 |
| xichengc | Thank you | 01:30 |
| xichengc | #endmeeting | 01:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 10 01:30:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_status_syncup/2015/compass_status_syncup.2015-09-10-01.02.html | 01:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_status_syncup/2015/compass_status_syncup.2015-09-10-01.02.txt | 01:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_status_syncup/2015/compass_status_syncup.2015-09-10-01.02.log.html | 01:30 |
| rockyg | thanks all | 01:30 |
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| chigang | thanks all,too | 01:30 |
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| nikhil_k_ | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting, dshakhray | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 10 14:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
| harshs | o/ | 14:00 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k_ | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| jecarey | o/ | 14:00 |
| kairat | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k_ | Welcome all | 14:00 |
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| dshakhray | O/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | 0/ | 14:01 |
| hemanthm_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| mclaren | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k_ | Let's get started | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k_ | #topic Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| jcook | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k_ | #info artifacts updates | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | hi! just a couple of things | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | o/ | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | as you may know we have successfully ported artifacts in murano client | 14:03 |
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| bunting | o/ | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | and everything works fine there | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: awesome! | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | but also we have many commits on review | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fastTrackPatches | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | and and their number is increasing | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | I haven't reviewed all of them, neither did Alex | 14:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: sounds like Fast Track isn't so fast eh? | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | but we have several critical there | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | sigmavirus24, kind of :) | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k_ | that looks like a good compilation | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k_ | mfedosin: so, we need to wait on config changes, api changes and other important stuff until after RC is cut (just fyi) | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k_ | RC period is intensive testing and bug fixing | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | I will prepare a list of changes that we need asap | 14:06 |
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| nikhil_k_ | we wouldn't want other stuff blocking and interfering with it | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | if it's possible they have to be merged this week | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k_ | mfedosin: a sub-heading in that etherpad should help with critical fixes | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | other commit may wait | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: bugfixes? | 14:06 |
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| mfedosin | jokke_, yep, some of them with security issues | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | *other commits | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: pls, don't disclose the security fixes here (just a friendly reminder) | 14:08 |
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| * flaper87 has seen that in the past (not from mfedosin, though) | 14:08 | |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | it's an experimental api | 14:08 |
| * flaper87 is paranoid | 14:08 | |
| mfedosin | no one cares about it :) | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: feel free to ping me as well if you get some things popping up. I have not focused that closely t oartifacts as we have had our own client crisis ongoing | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | that's why we disabled v3 by default | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k_ | let's not discuss anything about security issues here | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | jokke_, cool, thanks! | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k_, lol, okay | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k_ | thank you. | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k_ | #info drivers updates | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k_ | So, we had a small meeting this tuesday | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: what do you mean we shouldn't discuss security problems in public logged channels? Isn't that standard operating procedure for this project? | 14:10 |
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| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: I'll open a security bug to track that and we can talk about it in our next meeting | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | :D | 14:10 |
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| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: I din't care what your "tenant" does but here in OpenStack we prefer not to do that :P | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | don't even | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | even the bug is not declared as private, I think we can discuss it here | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: ah, :( | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | speaking of security issues, i want to nominate hemanthm_ for the glance security team | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | anyway, lets stay on topic (drivers updates) | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | I know FFE was granted for the OVF work | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1489902 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1489902 in Glance "Artifacts: public artifact may be modified by any user" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Alexander Tivelkov (ativelkov) | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k_ | so, we asked for some action items from the ova-lite tem and they have the updated spec. FFE was granted after that. | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil_k_: I've been keeping an eye on the code, I just did a quick review | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | and I'll keep doing so | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k_ | So, now the follow up on that should be a update twice a week till 25th on the status of the spec changes | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | we should keep track of the progress and be ready to take a step back if we're getting too close to RC1 and the patch is not ready | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k_ | they have agreed to work with flaper87 and sabari | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k_ | so, thanks flaper87 ! | 14:13 |
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| flaper87 | I don't think we'll have to do that but... | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k_ | flaper87: agreed | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | np | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k_ | on both fronts | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k_ | we also discussed a bit on lite-specs and some process changes for mitaka. the plan is to discuss them after RC period | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 14:15 |
| mclaren | sounds good | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k_ | however, I have a few request on the FFE possibly using the lite-specs concept | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k_ | so, we can discuss the possiblity of the same in the open discussion | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k_ | moving on to next topic | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k_ | #topic py-client 1.x.x back-compat like changes | 14:16 |
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| nikhil_k_ | here's the email to openstack-operators list | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glanceclient-1.x.x-back-compact | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k_ | there are some replies that have +1 on having back-compat | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k_ | so, my duckduckgo did not get me a link to the thread | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k_ | however, the subject is | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k_ | [Openstack-operators] Adding v1 LIKE support to python-glanceclient releases 1.x.x | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-September/008079.html | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k_ | thanks | 14:17 |
| bunting | This is we should aim to be backwards-compatable as possible, because this is exactly what our users want to see | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k_ | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-September/thread.html#8079 | 14:18 |
| mclaren | +1 | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | is it for cli only? | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: I'd hope so | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k_ | so, I am inclining towards having those changes. However, the catch there is | 14:19 |
| mclaren | (thanks for reaching out nikhil_k_) | 14:20 |
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| nikhil_k_ | shell api is supposed to be stable api | 14:20 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k_: you mean CLI? | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k_ | so what we have in 1.x.x is likely going to stay for say 5 years (if not more). but that's just an estimate | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k_ | mclaren: np | 14:20 |
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| flaper87 | IMHO, the CLI api should be intuitive enough and it does not need to match 1:1 the server API | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k_ | yep, I am trying to prefix the word "API" with specifics to be explicit and more clear. essentially CLI | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | The difference between adding all this backwards compat changes now rather than later is that once we added them, we can't just take them back | 14:21 |
| bunting | Why would we want to ever take them back? | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k_ | I think the concern is to add them prior to stable cut | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | bunting: because we're humans and we make mistakes and what we think makes sense now might be a pain to maintain later | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | ok so we have client API and we have client CLI | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | Not all "compatible band aids" are good | 14:22 |
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| nikhil_k_ | jokke_: well elaborated | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | I'm not saying we shouldn't add them at all. I'm just asking to not rush this | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | as in Abbreviation of Program Interface and CommandLine Interface ;) | 14:23 |
| mfedosin | by the way, what do you think about openstack-client? | 14:23 |
| mclaren | if we don't add them before we cut stable, their usefulness is somewhat diminished | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: yup, that's always been the case. That's one of the reasons why I like openstackclient, it just takes the CLI out of the *library* | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k_ | bunting: yes, so that's a good pointer. is there a way you can use py-openstackclient instead ? | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | and helps people to reason about libraries for what they are | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | well my point is if we talk about cli lets keep the talk in cli not cli api or shell api etc. it's not api it's cli | 14:24 |
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| jokke_ | at least I get hwell of mixed up no matter how hard I try to follow | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | So I'd like to remind couple of things here what I keep hearing over and over | 14:25 |
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| jokke_ | we as in community want to have Glance Images API v2 stabilized and consumed and v1 deprecated | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k_ | bunting: so the response from Clayton O'Neill in the ethedpad suggested that py-os client was a possibility | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k_ | mclaren: ^ | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | this is not just day dream of glance to get rid of that burden but OpenStack community widely | 14:26 |
| mclaren | jokke_: so you don't think backwards compatability is important in this case? | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | I don't think anyone is advocating for not being compatible | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | that in mind I don't think we should implement certain inconsistencies to our v2 specially that --is-public is we will be stuck with it | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | I think the discussion here goes around: 1) 1.0 being a major release 2) Being pragmatic 3) Trying to fix some of our g'old mistakes | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | if we will be stuck with it even | 14:28 |
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| jokke_ | I think it's way more important to consider long term impact at this point vs. short term inconveniences | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k_ | so, here's the alternative | 14:29 |
| mclaren | So, I spoke with Duncan Thomas (who works for HP and is a long standing cinder core). I asked specifically what Cinder would do in the case of is-public. they would maintain backwards compatability -- like our users are asking for | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k_ | what if we release 0.19.x based on commit prior to default being v2 | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k_ | and cut stable out of it | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k_ | fix bugs there | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | and if we need to maintain all that compatibility layer for years and keep having binary command line options for non binary values just because we decided once in 2015 to help out few script writers who did not read release notes of major release, I do not think that's sustainablwe | 14:30 |
| mclaren | jokke_: let's talk offline | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k_: I don't think that'll take us anywhere in our hope to migrate to v2 | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k_ | flaper87: why so? | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k_ | I mean, is client version the only blocker and is that the most important blocker? | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | Because switching the default is also to raise awarness that there's a v2 API that is the currently maintained one | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | it's not to just release the major | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k_ | I doubt if it's a good programmatic way of conveying that message | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k_ | the supportability status is the source of truth | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | the major version bump was consequence, not the goal | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k_ | yep | 14:32 |
| bunting | I think it comes down to do operators particually care about what version they are runnin or that it just works? | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k_ | I think both, depending on who your users are | 14:33 |
| mclaren | Operators actually want to spend as little time as possible thinking about OpenStack. Ideally it should 'just work'. | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k_ | if it's just the dashboard your user then no, it can be internal team with good awareness on what's happening with your versioning | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | I'd keep the things the way they are going, discuss each patch specifically and then do minor client releases if any of those patches land | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k_ | mclaren: I agree that those are majority ones | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: I agree w/ that, FWIW | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k_ | but not necessarily all | 14:34 |
| mclaren | Ok, so what are folks thoughts on Niall's patch overall? | 14:35 |
| * mclaren looks for link | 14:35 | |
| bunting | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219802/ | 14:35 |
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| mclaren | thx | 14:36 |
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| flaper87 | I think we'll have to evaluate each of those additions separatedly | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k_ | so flaper87 besides the awareness of versioning, do we have any other blockers for cutting 0.19.1,2 stable/ ? | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k_ | jokke_: mclaren bunting ^ | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k_ | I think we can do is establish that awareness period for stable/mitaka to not have such back compat changes | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | I was in general pro it until I heard that every single one of those we merge we're stuck with, as it was supposed to be migration path, not granted functionality maintained until non-foreseeable future | 14:38 |
| mfedosin | folks, one question about list validation | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k_: I don't think that will solve this issue/discussion but postpone it until mitaka | 14:38 |
| mfedosin | we have disabled it, afair | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k_ | looks like the tradeoff is small, maintain something for 1 cycle vs maintain back-compat for 10 years | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k_: I don't think that either | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | but I might be missing one piece | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | not sure :D | 14:39 |
| mfedosin | so, there is a patch to enable validation for list https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217113/ | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k_ | flaper87: jokke_ : you guys think, we will need to keep back compat in 1.x.x even in that case! ? | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k_: I don't see how we would get around that | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | we already released it | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | I need some extra time to think about this, TBH | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k_ | why can't we give 1 cycle time to scripter to change scripts, send email to ML | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | I think I was not around when this was first proposed | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | (cutting stable from 0.19 | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | ) | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k_ | ok, I need to know more from all the concerned individuals why so | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k_ | flaper87: it was , just a few mins ago | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k_ | ok, let's give some time to other topic | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k_ | topics* | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k_: please, thanks. I'll put thoughts around this | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k_ | #topic FFE https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186769/ ? | 14:41 |
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| nikhil_k_ | cool | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k_ | mclaren: you ? | 14:41 |
| mclaren | that's me! | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k_ | cool | 14:41 |
| mclaren | So, I'm wondering what the chances of landing this is? | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k_: so has defcore told you that we need to stick and support our stable/liberty for ever or we need to support what ever functionality we are releasing in our client? | 14:42 |
| mclaren | If it was just glance_store it might be, but I'd need a global requirements bump on swiftclient to 2.6.0 | 14:42 |
| mclaren | is it worth proposing the swiftclient change? | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k_ | jokke_: we need to tell defcore, but we can talk more on that offline | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: I think reqs freeze was a while back | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | if you need to bump it, it'll be really hard | 14:43 |
| mclaren | yeah, kinda guessed as much | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | probably worth waiting till mitaka in that case | 14:43 |
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| nikhil_k_ | yeah, I can't find a way around this for Liberty | 14:44 |
| mclaren | sure. had to ask! | 14:44 |
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| nikhil_k_ | thanks | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k_ | #topic Reviews, Bugs and Releases | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: sorry :( | 14:45 |
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| nikhil_k_ | we already discussed client release | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k_ | #info glance-store 0.9.1 released | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k_ | who proposed that? | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k_: Matt, I believe. | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | 0.9.0 broke the gate | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | and .1 has the fix | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | AFAIK | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | s/AFAIK/AFAIR/ | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | Matt Riedemann | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k_ | excellent | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: thanks, I had forgotten his lastname | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | yes it broke rdb gate so matt fixed it and requested release ... | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k_ | there's a email to openstack-announce on the release 0.9.1 that I can't find in this hurry | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k_ | anyways, moving on if nothing more here | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195820/ | 14:48 |
| wokuma1 | Just wanted to remind cores to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195820/ for Liberty...thanks mclaren for reviewing... | 14:48 |
| mclaren | np | 14:49 |
| wokuma1 | It's been listed here as critical: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-liberty-rc-reviews | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2015-September/000613.html (glance_store 0.9.1) | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k_ | haha, awesome flaper87 | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k_: :D | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k_ | wokuma1: yeah, I think we need that in before rc1 | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | wokuma1: I'll review | 14:50 |
| wokuma1 | nikhil_k: agree | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k_ | hopefully there's no migration for artifacts in the pipe currently, mfedosin ? | 14:50 |
| wokuma1 | flaper87: thans | 14:50 |
| mfedosin | nope | 14:50 |
| wokuma1 | s/thans/thanks | 14:51 |
| mfedosin | but they will be in Mitaka | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k_ | thanks | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1493859 | 14:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493859 in python-glanceclient "The glance client should not raise HTTP errors" [Undecided,Opinion] - Assigned to Niall Bunting (niall-bunting) | 14:51 |
| bunting | I discovered that the client raises http errors | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k_ | I think this fix makes sense | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k_ | bug is in opinion | 14:52 |
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| bunting | I was just wondering what people thought about removing this | 14:52 |
| bunting | as it seems confusing to me | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k_ | bunting: you should check nova/cinder about this atleast | 14:52 |
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| nikhil_k_ | may be even horizon, ironic | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | I'll review that too. I agree w/ jokke_ that we need to be careful becasue we may break the library | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k_ | nova used locations in few places | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k_: it still does | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k_ | if they are expecting exc.HTTPNotFound('Unknown URL(s): %s' % list(missing_locs)) | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k_ | oops, I meant _uses_ | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | yes my problem is that this change _is_ actually breaking backwards compatibility, while being sensible idea but by the looks of it, the way those are done looks very intentional mocking HTTL responses ... anyone remembers long enough backwards for reasoning for those? | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k_: gotcha | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k_ | good catch, thanks | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k_ | jokke_: we will have to discover | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k_: ++ | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k_ | :) | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | further tests and reviews are needed | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | other than that, it seems sensible | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k_ | last one on the agenda, a very late addition so will go in open discussion | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k_ | #topic open discussion | 14:55 |
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| nikhil_k_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196240/ | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k_ | hemanthm_: ^ | 14:56 |
| hemanthm_ | I wanted to see if there a way of getting this into L. | 14:56 |
| hemanthm_ | At a point we were waiting for lite-specs and now it looks like it won't happen in L. | 14:56 |
| jcook | it's a borderline bug / feature | 14:57 |
| hemanthm_ | jcook ^ | 14:57 |
| mclaren | hmm 'So, | 14:57 |
| mclaren | this change also monkey patches essential python modules.' | 14:57 |
| jcook | true | 14:57 |
| hemanthm_ | mclaren: that's more a bug fix. | 14:57 |
| hemanthm_ | those modules should have been monkeypatched any way | 14:58 |
| jcook | in the scrubber, which is a tiny code base | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k_ | yeah, but they are in scrubber. I think api does this already | 14:58 |
| jcook | and which cause incorrecet behavior | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k_ | the worry part for me is the config | 14:58 |
| jcook | true, it adds a config | 14:58 |
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| jcook | that is why I say it's borderline | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k_ | yeah | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | If there's a spec for it, I'd be happy to consider a late FFE | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k_ | a good lit-spec | 14:58 |
| jcook | we can create a spec, would it follow same process or would there be deltas with current spec process? | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | too bad we don't have lite-specs, I guess a normal spec but short should be enough | 14:59 |
| hemanthm_ | flaper87: there isn't one yet. But, I can write one soon | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k_ | yeah, if people wanna do ffe consideration rather than lite-spec, that works for me | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | I'd be ok w/ a FFE for this | 14:59 |
| jcook | we can absolutely do that | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k_ | cool | 14:59 |
| jcook | thanks! | 14:59 |
| mclaren | I'd probably lean slightly against, but if others disagree that's ok | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | I agree it's borderline and it doesn't break the current behavior | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k_ | jcook: let's discuss detils offline | 15:00 |
| jcook | sounds good | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k_ | details* | 15:00 |
| hemanthm_ | thanks | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k_ | thanks all, we are out of time | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | around the FFE ... I'd really like to hear positive statement from doc folks before giving my +1 | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k_ | sg | 15:00 |
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| jcook | jokke_: we can reach out | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 10 15:00:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-09-10-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-09-10-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | jcook: ++ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-09-10-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| nikhil_k_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| jcook | mclaren: curious of your concerns, don't see you in #openstack-glance atm | 15:01 |
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| jcook | I'll be there | 15:01 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 10 15:01:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:02 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | o/ | 15:02 |
| TravT | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | that's starting to look creepy | 15:02 |
| TravT | the agenda or the o/ | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:02 |
| TravT | plz add anything to it. | 15:02 |
| TravT | #topic general status updates | 15:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "general status updates (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:03 | |
| TravT | thanks for some productivity yesterday at the review hour. | 15:03 |
| TravT | i know not everybody could make it | 15:03 |
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| TravT | but we actually did get 5 patches in yesterday | 15:03 |
| TravT | i don't have any other general updates. so... | 15:04 |
| TravT | #topic Release | 15:04 |
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| TravT | been looking at this: | 15:05 |
| TravT | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseTeam/How_To_Release#Swift_intermediary_releases | 15:05 |
| TravT | I think that's similar to what we want to do, but I saw in the release tools repo there are some new scripts | 15:05 |
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| sjmc7 | probably nikhil and david have the most experience with the release tooling | 15:06 |
| TravT | I was planning to reach out to rel management team next week | 15:06 |
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| TravT | to see if we need to run it ourselves or not | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k_ | +1 to that | 15:07 |
| TravT | david-lyle: nikhil_k_: they pretty much do it for horizon and glance, right? | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k_ | if we import os libraries we should run by them | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k_ | yes | 15:07 |
| TravT | being part of the integrated release. | 15:07 |
| david-lyle | TravT: yes | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k_ | sjmc7: the most I've used it the gerrit review system with SHA to tag stuff | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k_ | TravT: we would need to define requirements similar to global caps. not sure if we have a patch that does it now | 15:08 |
| TravT | one thing we'll have to figure out, which maybe nikhil_k_ and david-lyle would know is if we need to reset the milestone target on all our bugs and BPs | 15:09 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/liberty | 15:09 |
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| david-lyle | automated if through relmgr | 15:09 |
| david-lyle | they have scripts | 15:09 |
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| TravT | right now, i've been keeping them up with when they would have released had we done milestone releases | 15:09 |
| david-lyle | I think even if you do the release, you would use the same scripts and tooling | 15:09 |
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| TravT | ok. well, i'll reach out to the release management team next week to start prep work. | 15:10 |
| TravT | also, as we discussed awhile back, i'll set up a seccore team | 15:11 |
| TravT | it will be a subset of the core team. | 15:11 |
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| nikhil_k_ | I think so too. or thierry can run the script (with admin rights or whatever) to fix the bug statuses | 15:11 |
| TravT | ok, good to know | 15:12 |
| TravT | so, if you get an invite to join the seccore team, please accept it if you can. | 15:12 |
| TravT | if you specifically have an interest of being on it, let me know. | 15:12 |
| TravT | so, lets talk about current BP statuses a bit. | 15:14 |
| TravT | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/liberty | 15:14 |
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| TravT | lakshmiS how are functional tests coming? still looking to be good for liberty release? | 15:14 |
| lakshmiS | yes i removed WIP status | 15:14 |
| lakshmiS | ready for reviews | 15:15 |
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| TravT | ok. i filed a bug yesterday that I didn't put up a patch on. | 15:15 |
| TravT | but i think it'll affect functional tests | 15:15 |
| lakshmiS | we can always add more but i guess there's enough of them now | 15:15 |
| TravT | are you testing for "Fields" now? | 15:15 |
| lakshmiS | api, load and listener core functionality is tested | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | lakshmiS, i'll revierw that again today | 15:16 |
| lakshmiS | Fields in ES response? | 15:16 |
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| TravT | as input. | 15:16 |
| TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1493586 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493586 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Missing _source parameter" [Undecided,New] | 15:16 |
| TravT | i have no idea why we are remapping fields to _source | 15:16 |
| TravT | but we shouldn't IMO. | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | remapping? | 15:16 |
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| TravT | you can send in fields parameter to searchlight | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | if you specify 'fields' e-s won't return the _source doc | 15:17 |
| TravT | but it is actually _source | 15:17 |
| TravT | but there is a fields parameter for ES | 15:17 |
| TravT | that is different | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | err... um. | 15:17 |
| TravT | confused the heck out of me yesterday | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | me too :) i'll have a look if i get time later | 15:17 |
| TravT | or a day ago... | 15:17 |
| lakshmiS | we do get _source | 15:17 |
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| TravT | well, possibly i was doing something wrong. it was nearly midnight | 15:18 |
| TravT | but i'm pretty sure we pop fields from the request and send it in as _source | 15:18 |
| TravT | anyway, lakshmiS, that's great about the functional tests | 15:19 |
| TravT | I'll try to give them a go. | 15:19 |
| lakshmiS | ok | 15:19 |
| TravT | next bp is designate. | 15:20 |
| TravT | ekarlso has been really working through that with sjmc7 and i | 15:20 |
| TravT | seems that it is very close | 15:20 |
| TravT | i asked to put in parent child relationship for some of the data mapping, which has caused a little churn on it | 15:21 |
| TravT | but i think designate will be in for release. | 15:21 |
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| TravT | bp glance-metadef-plugin | 15:22 |
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| TravT | lakshmiS found one bug in that | 15:22 |
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| TravT | and has a fix up | 15:22 |
| TravT | i also have been experiencing some pain with metadefs on some horizon work i'm doing | 15:22 |
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| sjmc7 | *hangs head* | 15:23 |
| TravT | but haven't debugged that yet. | 15:23 |
| TravT | query-perf-tests | 15:23 |
| TravT | nikhil_k_: that's yours ^ | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k_ | TravT: I doubt if I can complete them in next 2 weeks. THings have been sitting for a while as Glance was heavy past few weeks | 15:24 |
| TravT | well, i don't think it is a release blocker. | 15:24 |
| nikhil_k_ | But if we really need them, I can try to define some scenarios that we can try to get in for L | 15:24 |
| nikhil_k_ | sure, we can chat offline when you have a better picture of all other features | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | i think it's fine after L. it's to feed into fixing things | 15:25 |
| TravT | sounds good... i think perf testing will be a big topic in a lot of areas... | 15:25 |
| nikhil_k_ | yeah, possibly cross project interaction and some types queries | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. it would be good to do before the summit tho | 15:25 |
| TravT | i'm actually a bit more worried about indexing perf than query perf | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | yep | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | me too | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k_ | I see | 15:26 |
| TravT | I agree that perf scenarios and testing should be really tackled in M. | 15:27 |
| TravT | so nikhil_k_, i'll defer that BP to next | 15:27 |
| nikhil_k_ | thanks | 15:27 |
| TravT | next up, of interest to you david-lyle | 15:28 |
| TravT | horizon integration. | 15:28 |
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| TravT | we won't have an in horizon trunk integration for liberty, but... | 15:28 |
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| TravT | i have a search panel for horizon that's coming along okay. | 15:29 |
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| TravT | it won't be perfect, but i've been thinking about what to do with it. | 15:29 |
| TravT | i was thinking about a few options | 15:29 |
| TravT | 1) holding off and proposing to mitaka horizon trunk | 15:30 |
| TravT | 2) putting it into contrib on searchlight repo | 15:30 |
| TravT | 3) creating a new repo | 15:30 |
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| TravT | but we need something to actually show searchlight capabilities in liberty | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | we've also been fiddling with a single search box type thing | 15:31 |
| TravT | yes, i gave a thumbs up to the invision mocks on that | 15:31 |
| TravT | went back and forth a bit | 15:31 |
| TravT | but the search panel actually brings some qualities that the top nav search doesn't have. | 15:32 |
| TravT | and can be plugged in. | 15:32 |
| TravT | i have a fear that it'll be the end of mitaka before we can get the top nav figured out in horizon proper. | 15:32 |
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| TravT | david-lyle must be asleep | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | doh, too many streams | 15:33 |
| TravT | ^ | 15:33 |
| TravT | basically i'm asking what I should do with a proof of concept horizon search panel plugin for liberty searchlight | 15:34 |
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| david-lyle | easiest if probably a different github repo for now or a feature branch, that way you could continue to iterate up to the summit | 15:35 |
| david-lyle | and then merge into master when baked | 15:35 |
| david-lyle | otherwise the patch approval process will slow you down, I fear | 15:35 |
| TravT | yeah, last week I came to the realization that we had to do something like this | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | I think it's valid to demo a POC that is targeted to merging | 15:37 |
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| TravT | well, perhaps I just should keep it as one massive patch and propose to horizon. | 15:37 |
| david-lyle | could do that as well | 15:37 |
| TravT | it subsumes the searchlight api patch steve already had up. | 15:37 |
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| TravT | ok, that is pretty easy... | 15:38 |
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| TravT | i'll start with that. | 15:38 |
| david-lyle | never enough runway ;) | 15:39 |
| TravT | will be nice to get the code (as ugly as it is at the moment up into a system off mine). | 15:39 |
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| TravT | okay. next BP: plugin-config-options | 15:39 |
| TravT | ekarlso and sjmc7 were debating starting that yesterday | 15:40 |
| TravT | i think ekarlso said he'd put up a patch | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | i'm pretty keen to sort out the config stuff before L | 15:40 |
| TravT | probably based off what they have in designate | 15:40 |
| TravT | me too sjmc7 | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | it's going to be a problem for actual deployments | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | which will no doubt fall into my lap :) | 15:40 |
| TravT | lol | 15:40 |
| TravT | i look forward to much cursing from you | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | an advantage of being english | 15:41 |
| TravT | ok, so let's keep that BP for liberty | 15:41 |
| TravT | bp enable-cors | 15:41 |
| TravT | i'm still very much interested in this, but it still isn't a must | 15:41 |
| TravT | at least for horizon use cases | 15:42 |
| TravT | since we proxy through horizon atm. | 15:42 |
| david-lyle | seems like a nice Mitaka item | 15:42 |
| TravT | yeah, most likely. | 15:42 |
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| TravT | #topic bugs | 15:43 |
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| TravT | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:43 |
| TravT | so far we've done a good job staying on top of them. | 15:43 |
| TravT | but there are a few opportunities out there. | 15:43 |
| TravT | does anybody have any they'd like to discuss? | 15:44 |
| lakshmiS | so what are we deciding on https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1490697? modified fields for glance client 1.0.0 | 15:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1490697 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "python glance-client for image-members has upgraded" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lakshmi N Sampath (lakshmi-sampath) | 15:44 |
| lakshmiS | functional tests depend on this bug | 15:44 |
| TravT | nikhil_k_: sigmavirus24: rosmaita: ^ | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | ah, yeah. so what was the deal - use glance-client 1.0.0 or no? | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | what's global-requirements doing? | 15:45 |
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| sjmc7 | python-glanceclient>=0.18.0 is in global-reqs on master | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | no upper cap | 15:45 |
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| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219168/ | 15:46 |
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| lakshmiS | that leaves it open :) | 15:46 |
| TravT | nikhil_k_: if you look at comments on bottom of that patch | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | does horizon show image members? | 15:46 |
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| TravT | we just aren't sure if we should put a hard requirement on glance client 1.0 on searchlight | 15:47 |
| david-lyle | I don't believe so | 15:47 |
| TravT | or if we need some conditional code | 15:47 |
| lakshmiS | not sure how other projects deal with backward incompatible code on python clients | 15:48 |
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| sjmc7 | if there's no global-reqs cap, everyone will get 1.0.0 | 15:48 |
| TravT | horizon does not explicitly show image members or even allow updating them. | 15:48 |
| TravT | but it does do filtering based on image members | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | we could put a hack in though; look for both attributes | 15:48 |
| TravT | but i believe it is implicit | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k_ | lakshmiS: TravT currently, jokke_ and I are having that conversation on how to deal with the situation | 15:48 |
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| TravT | if not owned by me and is not public, then must be shared with me. | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k_ | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-September/thread.html#8079 | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | worst case, we do the conversion - look for member_id and turn it into member. or vice versa | 15:50 |
| lakshmiS | hack would be easy if we dont have a clear solution | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | it's not really a hack per se | 15:51 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, can you give a two sentence summary | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | i'm ok with doing it | 15:51 |
| TravT | lakshmiS: i more okay with that than only working with glanceclient 1.0 | 15:51 |
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| nikhil_k_ | TravT: we are currently deciding if the CLI should support back-compact changes for v1 API | 15:52 |
| lakshmiS | i will meanwhile update the patch with the hack | 15:52 |
| TravT | i also have terrible grammar in irc | 15:52 |
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| lakshmiS | nikhil_k: if you are going to take a decision please update the patch. I will wait until monday | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | let's put the conditional in | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | or that :) | 15:52 |
| nikhil_k_ | TravT: sorry, that's just one line and that's it | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k_ | lakshmiS: sure | 15:53 |
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| TravT | tbh, i'd just put in the conditional | 15:53 |
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| sjmc7 | yep | 15:53 |
| lakshmiS | TravT: sure | 15:54 |
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| TravT | ok, cool | 15:54 |
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| TravT | lakshmiS: i saw you also updated the member notification patch based on feedback from nikhil_k_ | 15:54 |
| TravT | is it ready for him and other glance guys to review? | 15:55 |
| lakshmiS | yes I did fix some of the test cases. | 15:55 |
| lakshmiS | there are still 2 tests failing on glance store which i am looking currently (need to understand that part of code which is new to me) | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k_ | thanks, if you have a link it would help a ton! (got around 100 FF tabs open atm) | 15:55 |
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| lakshmiS | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221307/ | 15:56 |
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| nikhil_k_ | thanks!! | 15:56 |
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| TravT | ok, just a couple minutes left | 15:57 |
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| TravT | if i send out another "review hour" request for next week tuesday or wednesday, would that be helpful? | 15:57 |
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| sjmc7 | sure | 15:58 |
| TravT | preference in days? | 15:58 |
| lakshmiS | any day is fine with me | 15:59 |
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| TravT | ok, my coffee IV line needs to be changed and we are out of time anyway. | 15:59 |
| TravT | thanks everybody! | 15:59 |
| sjmc7 | aye. thanks | 15:59 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 10 15:59:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-09-10-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-09-10-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-09-10-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 10 16:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | moo | 16:00 |
| cloudnull | #topic rollcall | 16:00 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 16:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | yo | 16:01 |
| prometheanfire | cloudnull: will be getting food at the start | 16:01 |
| rromans | \o | 16:01 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:01 |
| palendae | o/ | 16:02 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | couple more min to let some folks trickle in | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | #chair openstack | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cloudnull openstack | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | #chair odyssey4me | 16:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cloudnull odyssey4me openstack | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:04 |
| evrardjp | I'm sorry I'm not familiar with english, did you consider odyssey4me as furniture? ;) | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | he is a fixture :) | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:05 |
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| cloudnull | item: make a BP to track each OS service and remove deprecated variables | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | haha | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | ah, my bad - that should have been me and I haven't done it yet | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: does this include new things for liberty too? | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | add that as one allocated to me please | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a lot of those changes | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221189/ | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | oh yes, I did do a liberty spec :) | 16:06 |
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| cloudnull | now we need people to review it | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have some neutron changes that someday i'll get time to do | 16:06 |
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| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: If you have the changes outlined can you write them down somewhere so we can get to it if you cant | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | etherpad, spec review, etc are all perfectly acceptable. | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | better yet, comment on the review that you want to be on the neutron work - there's a spot in the work task list | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | although i'm waiting on a better way to add configurability | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think you had a patch for that | 16:09 |
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| cloudnull | base your changes off of the change if needed. | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | my suggestion is that we try and pair up the work, ideally with pairs that are in different time zones to get better coverage and hand over | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | as a reference this is the review for the better config capabilities | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217030/ | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220212 | 16:10 |
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| cloudnull | code to make it go and an implementation example ^ | 16:11 |
| Bjoern_ | Hey | 16:11 |
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| cloudnull | o/ BjoernT | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | next: prometheanfire to get involved with the ops meetup ligtning and moderator talks | 16:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: needs more docs :) | 16:12 |
| prometheanfire | I've added myself as a possible moderator and will do at least one lightening talk | 16:12 |
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| prometheanfire | moderating for infra containers | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | kk | 16:12 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ sorry I'm late, phonecall | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | #topic Liberty Release Blueprints | 16:13 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/liberty-release | 16:13 |
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| cloudnull | from a bp prosepctive i think we're good. | 16:13 |
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| cloudnull | we just need reviewers on the implementations of the approved bps | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | I found myself thinking this morning that perhaps the liberty release should focus primarily on a greenfield deployment, then we work on the upgrade mechanism for a .1 release later | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | liberty release - do the things' | 16:15 |
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| cloudnull | I'm good with that. | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | I'm concerned about the code churn in the release prep interfering with the ability to effectively do upgrade testing | 16:15 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: I think that's going to be the practical thing | 16:15 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Right now it's been hard to get people to do even greenfield stuff | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | I'm also concerned with resourcing | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | I'm not fond of it, because I'll need to upgrade ;) | 16:16 |
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| evrardjp | but I understand | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | the .1 release with confirmed upgradability could be released very soon after .0 - but I'd prefer that we have a more focused sprint or two on it | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | turns out... most of the kilo stuff works in liberty plus a few deprecation messages | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp this suggestion is for your protection :) also, we'd like your help with the upgrade testing | 16:17 |
| palendae | ^ | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, liberty wouldnt really be liberty without fixing that stuff | 16:17 |
| palendae | Help on testing upgrades would be very, very appreciated | 16:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | one of these days... upgrade gating | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | one other thing I think we should discuss is when we want to release liberty | 16:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | when its ready | 16:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | when all liberty-related config changes are done | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | do we want to target the same day as the upstream release, the friday that follows, or when? | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am vague target dates are never good - things never get done | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | I personally think that we rev all of our sha's and if gate passes we release. | 16:20 |
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| odyssey4me | we should set a target and endeavour to meet it | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | just because the gate passes doesnt mean its liberty | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | it's the 19th of this month, right? | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i found that out with keystone this morning | 16:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | next month? | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | i disagree. if gate passes and its running the liberty code, its liberty | 16:20 |
| stevelle | RC1 is this month on the 24th iirc | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is why gating fails to be realistic | 16:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron technically passes the gate | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am you're talking about a tangential issue - liberty will not release until it has passed the integrated gate tests | 16:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | what i'm concerned about is releasing, then having to make considerable changes to config files for a point release | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | it's entirely different to the testing that's done day to day, and is a distraction in this conversation | 16:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | because it wasnt really using liberty config items | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am so that's the point of the items to review all the config files | 16:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes, and the reason why i was saying we shouldnt release until those are done | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | so we need to set a date when we expect that to be done, and we need volunteers to do it | 16:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | which hopefully is on or around the upstream release | 16:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | they should be frozen now at least | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | and if you have thoughts on that please contribute them to the spec so we can implement the changes. | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | we can do the checks and adjustments with the RC's | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | if anyone has the inclination, that inspection can already be started now | 16:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: sort of working on that a a side-effect of upstream install guide updates | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | as | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | patches for policy/config file changes are welcome right now | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | ^ that would be awesome for somebody to start | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | working my way through the services | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | keystone is going to be fun | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: if you have a diff as you work through the services in the install guide refresh we can work off that | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: its more like notes rather than a diff, but there's something | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | or if you're keeping track on an etherpad we can lurk there too | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | also need to determine what is a packaging bug | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | hence why i shall test these in osad too | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | ahh yeah thats a good idea | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | a matts-liberty-ramblings etherpad | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | would you mind starting an etherpad ? | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | #action Sam-I-Am to create an etherpad for the config changes he finds for future OSAD implementation | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | tyvm! | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | also | 16:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-config-changes | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to switch the blueprint for juno->liberty upgrades to 12.1.0 | 16:26 |
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| palendae | Whoa what? | 16:26 |
| palendae | Juno to liberty? | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | whoops | 16:26 |
| palendae | :) | 16:26 |
| palendae | Kilo to liberty? | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | correction, Kilo->Liberty y'all know what I'm sa'in | 16:27 |
| palendae | I've heard some crazy things in the past few months, so... :) | 16:27 |
| evrardjp | :) | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | palendae: i heard we're upgrading icehouse to liberty | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | palendae: tag, you're it | 16:28 |
| prometheanfire | seamlessly | 16:28 |
| prometheanfire | notit | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | for various definitions of seam | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | and lessly | 16:28 |
| palendae | Sam-I-Am: You can tag me all you want | 16:28 |
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| cloudnull | so next up | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | #topic Mitaka Summit Discussion Agenda | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | it would seem to me that testing swift-only deployments and support for systemd also need to move to a later milestone? | 16:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | wont be there | 16:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | glhf | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | just real quick , please add items to the etherpad for consideration at the summit | 16:29 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: probably | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-mitaka-summit | 16:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | out of expendable organs | 16:29 |
| stevelle | you got spare lung, kidney... | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | maybe we could remove haproxy-v2, it's not that important I guess | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | true | 16:30 |
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| prometheanfire | is this things required for liberty to 'release'? | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | prometheanfire uh, what are you referring to? | 16:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we're talking about mitaka summit discussions? | 16:31 |
| prometheanfire | liberty specs | 16:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | welcome to 10 minutes ago? | 16:32 |
| prometheanfire | ah, don't think the previous topic was closed | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | the systemd support Im sure I can get to, I just need reviewers to make the other irons in the fire go. But if someone else wants to implement the change they're welcome to it | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | for the summit discussion, shouldn't talk about the docs? | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull my concern is that if it doesn't make it into 12.0.0 then it may have to wait until 13.0.0, unless it's not a breaking change? | 16:32 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: nice to have or need to have? and manpower | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | I'd rather get that into a .0 release so that it's there when we get into thorough upgrade testing | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | yes 12 or 13 IMO we could do it as a major release but that feels dirty | 16:33 |
| prometheanfire | with the new versioning we can version when we want | 16:33 |
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| prometheanfire | not that we already couldn't | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | prometheanfire yes, but we've opted to stay in line for major versions | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | ths is what we have so far for liberty https://github.com/stackforge/os-ansible-deployment-specs/tree/master/specs/liberty (spec wise) | 16:34 |
| prometheanfire | did we want the ipv6 spec for it? | 16:35 |
| prometheanfire | I think you said it'd be nice to have for liberty | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | named veths would be a good one to complete theres a second part to that process which is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220342/ | 16:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | veth betterification in general | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | prometheanfire yeah, although considering the work we already have on our plate I'm inclined to say we should rather get that going in the Mitaka cycle | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | its been an annoying problem | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull on the veth issue | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: should I remove haproxy v2? | 16:36 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: ya, doesn't mater to me when tbh | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | #topic reviews | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | I have the impression from somewhere that naming the veths will cause the container restarts to not work at all... although I'm not clear on whether that is all the time or only sometimes | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: yes that is true | 16:37 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Correct, if they dangle | 16:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | it only fails if the veth pair still exists? | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp it's up to you whether you want to discuss it or not | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | and intended. | 16:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | hence why there's the veth-deleter thingy | 16:37 |
| prometheanfire | mhayden: ping | 16:37 |
| palendae | The 2nd half of the solution is that because we can now know the names, we can delete them | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | the second part of that fix resolves it though | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | what palendae said | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:38 |
| palendae | The names without the delete are bad, though | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | palendae cloudnull ok, then the missing piece for me to make that all go is that ensure that there is an included script for cleaning up the dangling dirties | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | palendae: at least things fail a little better | 16:38 |
| palendae | But generally agreed to be better than veth pairs floating in the ether. vether pairs. | 16:38 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220342/ | 16:38 |
| mhayden | prometheanfire: echo reply | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | ah, I see the cleaner is in https://review.openstack.org/220342 | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | ok cool - I'm down with that :) | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | it would be great to backport that to kilo too | 16:39 |
| prometheanfire | mhayden: we are talking about the veth stuff here | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull is that not perhaps a breaking change though? | 16:39 |
| mhayden | i'm still trying to figure out how to fix this in LXC, but i'm not well versed in C | 16:39 |
| palendae | mhayden: That may be a long tail thing | 16:40 |
| palendae | Sounds like LXC's tools could use some love overall | 16:40 |
| mhayden | long story short, LXC should be cleaning up the veths -- if the kernel netlink backlog is overloaded, LXC should try to re-do it | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | palendae considering your work on this issue, I'm surprised not seeing your vote on https://review.openstack.org/220342 ? | 16:40 |
| mhayden | extraordinarily long tail :) | 16:40 |
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| palendae | odyssey4me: Last week was meeting hell, this week's been cinder investigation hell. I'll re-visit that this afternoon though | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | next review I want to highlight evrardjp | 16:41 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218818/ | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:41 |
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| evrardjp | First, the status: | 16:41 |
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| evrardjp | They were 2 patches for delivering keepalived for haproxy. We've got an agreement, and therefore we are closer to release keepalived for haproxy. | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | However, there is still work to do. | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | one of its is to decide the inventory form. | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | we'll have to introduce an env.d/ file if there are ppl who'd like to test keepalived in containers. | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | I'd not personnally do it, so I don't really care BUT I think keepalived/haproxy deserve an env.d/ file, whether it's to define variables for it or generate containers. | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | I was planning to create "keepalived" containers, but it seems that the name isn't obvious. | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | We can decide whether we use "haproxy", "keepalived" or do nothing. | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | Keepalived: you can use the same name/container for other services than haproxy. I doubt that ppl will do that though. | 16:42 |
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| evrardjp | Haproxy: the name of the container reflects better of what's running inside in this case: haproxy | 16:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: i'd +1 https://review.openstack.org/220342 except i sort of worked with cloudnull to write it, so not sure here. | 16:42 |
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| evrardjp | nothing: if I'm not mistaken (cloudnull, could you confirm?) NOT setting an env.d would make the keepalived playbook run on the target you mention in conf.d. So it will run automatically on bare metal. The setup-hosts will not generate any containers. | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | So what's your opinion on this first topic? ;) | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | hmm, so I find myself wondering why anyone would seperate their keepalived router from the service | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | do they not need to colocate? | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | I think if we're making haproxy and keepalived a first class citizen it should have an entry in env.d | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | ie keepalived does start and stop scripts for haproxy, so surely they need to be on the same system | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | I propose as haproxy | 16:44 |
| palendae | I agree with the env.d entry | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | we seem to agree :) | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | so for me it seems sensible to have a container for haproxy, and keepalived can facilitate the vip for it in the same container | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | that part will be tricky though | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | keepalived in containers with multicast... not so sure... | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | it should be tested | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: brings up a good point. but in this case keepalived could, in the future, be used with multiple services. so from a role prospective i think it makes snese to have two roles for haproxy and keepalived | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | oh dear, yes... there is that | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull ++ | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | yeah, that seem obvious | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | we could then set keepalived as a dep of the haproxy role passing vars into as needed | 16:46 |
| palendae | ^ | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | it shouldn't even be a dep | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | it's not mandatory | 16:46 |
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| odyssey4me | evrardjp to keep things simple for now I'd suggest leaving out trying to make it work in a container and rather set that as a future improvement task | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | you could | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | and it will work | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | there is another point: | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | maybe a dep with a conditional ? | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | we could | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | so about the other point: | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | conditional executes when there os > 1 host ? | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | at the moment I'm importing my changes from galaxy to this repo, so it's kinda annoying. | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull I would prefer it not to be a dep in the haproxy role as it is too prescriptive of the architecture | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | it would be better to include the roles in the playbooks, that way the playbook describes the architecture but the roles are independent | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | what's inside the current commit is almost good I'd say | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | we can just include the keepalived playbook conditionnaly in haproxy's one | 16:48 |
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| odyssey4me | evrardjp yeah, I'm down with that | 16:48 |
| evrardjp | so about the galaxt part: | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: if someone wanted haproxy on >1 host then they would need something like keepalived so having it as a dep makes sense to me. | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull but maybe they want to use another way of doing the virtual ip | 16:49 |
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| evrardjp | like corosync etc. | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | yup | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | less prescriptive in the role, more prescriptive in the playbooks | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | so this is a good topic, I think it would be best to continue it on the commit maybe? | 16:49 |
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| evrardjp | this way I can have another part of my message :) | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | ok carry on | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | so | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | if I could use the ansible-role-requirements.yml(.example), that would be of some help to avoid double work for me | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | I know there is no consensus yet, but do we have a timeline for it? | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | ah, so you mean the approval to allow independent role repositories? | 16:51 |
| evrardjp | yup | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | ie https://review.openstack.org/213779 | 16:51 |
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| cloudnull | ++ | 16:51 |
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| odyssey4me | I have a revision to make on the spec after feedback from hughsaunders and cloudnull | 16:51 |
| evrardjp | so definitely not until mitaka summit | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | it still seems that everyone is confused about the spec and thinks that it's the button to break out the current roles, which it is not | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | evrardjp: I view that more like a meta spec . | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | once we approve it we can start the process. | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | I thought this could be a good use case, that's all | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | and if moving the keepalived to the requirements file makes sense then i think we do that | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | the keepalived's role | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp it would :) | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | as to not duplicate work | 16:53 |
| evrardjp | I have another last topic, but I've taken too much time, sorry | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | ok, I'll revise that spec in the morning and hopefully we'll get some reviews through the day | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | IMHO if that spec goes in we should have the ability to add requirement roles to the stack from liberty > | 16:53 |
| evrardjp | k | 16:54 |
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| evrardjp | so that's all for me | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | we have only 5 min left | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:55 |
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| cloudnull | anything ? | 16:55 |
| mhayden | and input on the security hardening thread is good ;) | 16:56 |
| * mhayden is considering drafting a spec | 16:56 | |
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| cloudnull | .doit() | 16:56 |
| mhayden | s/and/any/ | 16:56 |
| palendae | mhayden: Yes, we should :) | 16:56 |
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| * mhayden will do the things | 16:56 | |
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| evrardjp | there should be a lot of discussion about SSLing things then :p | 16:56 |
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| cloudnull | ++ | 16:57 |
| evrardjp | and omg... apparmor >< | 16:57 |
| mhayden | TOMOYO? ;) | 16:57 |
| mhayden | since we can stack LSM's in Linux 4.2 now | 16:57 |
| prometheanfire | mhayden: and replied to the reply | 16:57 |
| * mhayden wanders off-topic and waits for cloudnull to throw a keyboard | 16:57 | |
| cloudnull | hahahaha | 16:57 |
| palendae | mhayden: Is 4.2 in 16.04? :) | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | lol | 16:57 |
| cloudnull | 4.2 or bust ! | 16:57 |
| prometheanfire | the LSM stacking is not that useful imo :P | 16:57 |
| mhayden | palendae: 17.10 | 16:58 |
| mhayden | i still can't convince people that one LSM at a time is a good thing :P | 16:58 |
| prometheanfire | mhayden: selinux or bust | 16:58 |
| cloudnull | im sure RHEL will backport it to 3.10 ... | 16:58 |
| prometheanfire | cloudnull: why don't we have selinux support? | 16:58 |
| evrardjp | ubuntu? | 16:58 |
| mhayden | i heard selinux sucks | 16:58 |
| cloudnull | we do | 16:58 |
| * mhayden giggles | 16:58 | |
| Sam-I-Am | they all suck | 16:58 |
| cloudnull | setenforce = 0 | 16:58 |
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| evrardjp | :D | 16:59 |
| mhayden | cloudnull: sigh | 16:59 |
| mhayden | http://stopdisablingselinux.com/ | 16:59 |
| prometheanfire | I though about wearing that tshirt today :P | 16:59 |
| cloudnull | http://startdisablingselinux.com/ | 16:59 |
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| odyssey4me | haha | 16:59 |
| mhayden | great, now someone will buy that :P | 16:59 |
| odyssey4me | time to end the meeting | 16:59 |
| cloudnull | ok we're done here | 16:59 |
| palendae | http://dontreadthedocs.org | 16:59 |
| prometheanfire | https://twitter.com/grsecurity/status/638529614743273472 | 16:59 |
| * mhayden woots | 16:59 | |
| cloudnull | thanks everyone ! | 16:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lates d00ds | 16:59 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 10 16:59:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-09-10-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-09-10-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-09-10-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 10 17:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
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| LouisF | hi | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
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| pcarver | hi | 17:00 |
| xgerman | hi | 17:01 |
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| vikram | hi | 17:01 |
| mohankumar_ | Hi everyone | 17:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | does anyone have any topic that you would like to discuss? | 17:01 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | I have three: status of the project, networking-sfc doc publishing, testing | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | #topic status of the project | 17:03 |
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| cathy_ | we have got the specs reviewed and merged ! Thanks everyone! | 17:04 |
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| mohankumar_ | cathy_: great ! | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | The unit test scripts, updated API and DB files, Service Plugin files to be compliant with the approved APIs are planned to be posted this Friday | 17:05 |
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| cathy_ | The first patch of the OVS driver and DB is planned to be posted within the next week or two | 17:06 |
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| LouisF | bouthors: hi | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | any question on this topic? | 17:06 |
| bouthors | hello | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | #topic networking-sfc doc publishing | 17:07 |
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| pcarver | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221589/ | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | Thanks Paul for this work! | 17:07 |
| pcarver | Hopefully this will do the trick | 17:07 |
| pcarver | hasn't merged yet, but I think it's what's needed | 17:08 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: openstack-infra needs to approve it to be merged, right? | 17:08 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: correct | 17:08 |
| pcarver | same +2 requirement as any other code I think | 17:08 |
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| cathy_ | maybe you would like to go to the infra channel to let them know this and review it? | 17:09 |
| pcarver | I'm guessing that core members of infra project probally watch for +1 reviews and then review them | 17:09 |
| pcarver | sure, I can do that | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: thanks! | 17:09 |
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| pcarver | I also sent a message to the admins of the Launchpad page because there doesn't appear to be a networking-sfc page | 17:09 |
| pcarver | i.e. on the list on https://launchpad.net/openstack | 17:10 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: thanks for straightening all these out! | 17:11 |
| pcarver | https://launchpad.net/networking-sfc exists, it just doesn't appear on the OpenStack page with the other networking-X projects | 17:11 |
| johnsom | We also need to have the neutron infra liaisons chime in I suspect. | 17:11 |
| xgerman | +1 | 17:11 |
| xgerman | those are the lt. like dougwig, amax, etc. | 17:11 |
| xgerman | armax | 17:11 |
| pcarver | Also, semi-related, everyone should take a look at | 17:12 |
| pcarver | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222256/ | 17:12 |
| pcarver | which is a devref for sub-projects | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: sure. | 17:13 |
| pcarver | It talks about release to PyPi and Launchpad release tagging and tarballs | 17:13 |
| vikram | Kyle helped us in releasing for networking-onos | 17:13 |
| pcarver | The whole doc is worth reading, not just the part changed in that review | 17:14 |
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| cathy_ | johnsom: could you mean we meed someone from infra to review paul's change of adding networking-sfc doc? | 17:14 |
| vikram | I believe only the authorized person can make a release | 17:15 |
| johnsom | cathy_ We need a neutron lt. to +1 before infra will look at it. It's part of the new infra liaison plan | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | vikram: Yes, let's ask Kyle or Armando to help on this. | 17:15 |
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| vikram | ok | 17:15 |
| pcarver | The maintainer listed on the networking-sfc page on Launchpad is xiaodongwang | 17:16 |
| s3wong | who is xiaodongwang? | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: could you post the link of the launchpad? | 17:17 |
| pcarver | It may be that https://launchpad.net/networking-sfc is abandoned and needs to be revived | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: xiaodongwang is contributing to this project too | 17:17 |
| s3wong | cathy_: I see | 17:18 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: Do you mean we need to create networking-sfc in https://launchpad.net/openstack, not a separate one in https://launchpad.net/networking-sfc? | 17:19 |
| johnsom | cathy_ FYI on infra: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212622/ | 17:20 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: I don't think so, but I think a connection is missing | 17:20 |
| pcarver | Compare with https://launchpad.net/networking-ovn for example | 17:20 |
| pcarver | Note that the OVN page (and other networking-X projects) show "Part of OpenStack" on their page | 17:21 |
| pcarver | Somehow the SFC page exists but doesn't seem to have the connection to OpenStack that the other networking-X projects have | 17:21 |
| pcarver | Assuming we intend to use Launchpad for bug reports we'll want it setup correctly | 17:22 |
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| pcarver | I already sent an inquiry yesterday using the "Contact this team's admins" link on https://launchpad.net/~openstack-admins but I haven't heard back yet. | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: OK, I see. thanks | 17:23 |
| pcarver | If I don't get a response in a couple of days I'll do more asking on the -dev list and/or infra IRC channel | 17:24 |
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| cathy_ | johnsom: thanks for the link! | 17:25 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: for your patch of adding the networking-sfc doc, you may want to ask the infra channel whether you need to get the Neutron API LT +1 or which Neutron LT you need +1. | 17:28 |
| pcarver | It looks like armax is a Neutron Infra Lieutenant | 17:29 |
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| s3wong | and it seems like armax has already given his +1 :-) | 17:29 |
| pcarver | No, I don't think so | 17:29 |
| pcarver | oh, wait, I just hit refresh | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: really. Cool! armax always gives us the support at the right time. | 17:30 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: yes, armax gives it +1 | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | can we go to the next topic? | 17:31 |
| pcarver | yes | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | #topic testing for networking-sfc | 17:32 |
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| cathy_ | Besides UT, any other tests we should do ? | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | we also need to do tempest | 17:34 |
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| vikram | cathy: Yes | 17:34 |
| vikram | cathy: API & Functional | 17:34 |
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| cathy_ | vikram: do you mean Unit test on API and functional or other types of test | 17:35 |
| vikram | I meant tempest tests | 17:35 |
| vikram | + there is something called full-stack test | 17:35 |
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| cathy_ | vikram: OK. Yes we will do that | 17:36 |
| vikram | We need to check it's applicability | 17:36 |
| cathy_ | vikram: good point. | 17:36 |
| vikram | API --> tempest test... but functional is little different.. . | 17:36 |
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| cathy_ | vikram: Is it a integration test with other component? can you help check that and get back to us? | 17:37 |
| vikram | okay .. will check | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | vikram: thanks! | 17:38 |
| LouisF | vikram: looks like full-stack testing would be useful | 17:38 |
| vikram | ok | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | maybe we need to check what other tests neutron core feature does | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | anyone can help checking out this and get back to us in next meeting? | 17:39 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: can you help with this? | 17:40 |
| s3wong | cathy_: sure | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: thanks! | 17:41 |
| pcarver | cathy_: I don't see Abhinav here today, but I did send him an email asking that he plan to spend some time writing functional tests. I haven't heard back from him yet. | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: great! maybe you can ask him to join next meeting and share the info? | 17:42 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: I'll continue to follow up with him. I don't know exactly what his workload is, but I'm hoping that I can get a percentage of his time committed. | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | pcarver OK, thanks. | 17:43 |
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| cathy_ | Now I am going to list the action items | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | #action Louis or Cathy finish and post the UT codes | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | #action Louis or Cathy finish and post the updated API, DB, DB migration, Driver Manager etc. codes to be compliant with the approved APIs | 17:45 |
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| cathy_ | #action vikram investigate full-stack testing and bring the info back in next IRC meeting | 17:46 |
| cathy_ | #action s3wong investigate neutron feature testing and bring the info back in next IRC meeting | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | #action pcarver follow up with Abhinav on functional testing and get back to us in next meeting. | 17:48 |
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| cathy_ | #topic integration of CLI with networking-sfc API on Neutron Server | 17:49 |
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| cathy_ | mohan will start the integration testing with Louis next week, right? | 17:50 |
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| LouisF | cathy_: ok | 17:50 |
| mohankumar_ | Yes | 17:50 |
| cathy_ | cool | 17:50 |
| vikram | +1 | 17:50 |
| cathy_ | thanks, folks! | 17:50 |
| cathy_ | we make some good progress this week. Hope we will do the same next week and two. let's target on getting the codes completed and reviewed by early October | 17:51 |
| cathy_ | thanks everyone's contribution! | 17:51 |
| LouisF | cathy_: sounds like aplan | 17:51 |
| mohankumar_ | Thumps up ! | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | anything else you would like to discuss? | 17:52 |
| vikram | greta | 17:52 |
| vikram | great | 17:52 |
| s3wong | cathy_: are we doing anything on the design summit? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mitaka-designsummit | 17:53 |
| cathy_ | #topic design summit | 17:53 |
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| pcarver | I added an item to discuss relationship between SFC and BGPVPNs | 17:53 |
| s3wong | pcarver: I see | 17:54 |
| pcarver | some people at AT&T consider them inextricably entwined | 17:54 |
| LouisF | pcarver: is that item 7? | 17:54 |
| cathy_ | we can also add an item to discuss the relationship between sfc and tacker | 17:54 |
| vikram | pcarver: I remember a talk about this in the lat summit | 17:54 |
| vikram | cathy_:+1 | 17:55 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: and as Tacker team member I would welcome that | 17:55 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: though we need to integrate with Heat first... | 17:55 |
| LouisF | s3wong: definitely | 17:56 |
| pcarver | cathy_: Good idea. s3wong: Is there a separate Etherpad for Tacker? | 17:56 |
| vikram | s3wong: mhankumar_ is doing that | 17:56 |
| vikram | s3wong: mohankumar_ is doing that | 17:56 |
| LouisF | mohankumar_: great! | 17:56 |
| s3wong | pcarver: no --- unfortunately, as a project not yet in the tent, we (tacker) didn't get any design session slot | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | vikram: are you saying that mohankumar_ is doing the integration of heat and networking-sfc? cool! | 17:56 |
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| vikram | cathy_: yes.. afaik he is:) | 17:57 |
| mohankumar_ | cathy_: yes | 17:57 |
| pcarver | s3wong: Maybe a Friday informal session | 17:57 |
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| cathy_ | mohankumar_: thanks! | 17:57 |
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| s3wong | pcarver: is there any? My understanding from ttx's email is that all the non-tent session only get to go to lunch tables... :-) | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | shall we add that item to the Neutron design Summit or which one? | 17:58 |
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| cathy_ | the integration of sfc with tacker one | 17:58 |
| pcarver | s3wong: No room reservations, but I believe Friday is supposed to be open and unstructured | 17:58 |
| pcarver | at least it was in Vancouver. People were just gathering in small groups without fixed room assignments | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: could you take care of adding that integration of tacker with sfc and let us know which slot? time is up | 17:59 |
| s3wong | pcarver: OK | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | we need to end the meeting now | 17:59 |
| vikram | pcarver: I remember seeing a mail saying we have lot of rooms this time:) | 17:59 |
| vikram | pcarver: but got to book one for our project | 18:00 |
| LouisF | bye | 18:00 |
| pcarver | I'll look into it | 18:00 |
| vikram | bye | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | bye | 18:00 |
| vikram | pcarver: thanks | 18:00 |
| s3wong | orchestration bye! | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 10 18:00:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-09-10-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-09-10-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-09-10-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| mohankumar_ | Bye | 18:00 |
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