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| zehicle_home | #meetingstart Defcore.13 | 15:00 |
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| zehicle_home | #startmeeting DefCore 13 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 15:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zehicle_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: DefCore 13)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore_13' | 15:00 |
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| zehicle_home | oh, dear. this is the B meeting :/ | 15:01 |
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| zehicle_home | I guess that's ok for :-B | 15:01 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 15:01 |
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| kbaikov_ | Hello | 15:01 |
| zehicle_home | o/ | 15:01 |
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| dwalleck | o/ | 15:01 |
| kbaikov_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| barrett1 | o/ | 15:02 |
| zehicle_home | was expecting attendance to be light due to VMworld so I'm glad to see so many hands! | 15:02 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 15:02 |
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| zehicle_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.13 | 15:02 |
| zehicle_home | please review the agenda | 15:03 |
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| zehicle_home | we may be able to put the swift fun tests back in | 15:03 |
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| markvoelker | Worth noting on that front: https://review.openstack.org/164865 | 15:03 |
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| zehicle_home | #chair hogepodge | 15:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge zehicle_home | 15:05 |
| zehicle_home | #chair markvoelker | 15:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge markvoelker zehicle_home | 15:05 |
| markvoelker | Per last comment there, there's a prototype/POC in refstack now for folks to look at | 15:05 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214571/ | 15:05 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: we're going to have to finish that plugin ourselves, as the contract for that work has expired. | 15:06 |
| zehicle_home | ok,let's start w/ that topic then | 15:06 |
| zehicle_home | sorry, start w/ swift | 15:06 |
| hogepodge | I volunteer to move it forward. I've been on travel for two weeks, and am woefully behind on committee work. Lots of catchup over the next two weeks for me. | 15:06 |
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| zehicle_home | unless there is other items on the agenda to prioritize? | 15:06 |
| zehicle_home | moving Refstack up | 15:07 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: is someone working on pruining the test list for Swift? Comments indicated there were some in there that required admin access... | 15:07 |
| markvoelker | I think notmyname was going to look into that, but it was sort of on the tail end of a previous meeting so not sure if anyone has an AI | 15:07 |
| zehicle_home | #topic Swift Functional tests | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Swift Functional tests (Meeting topic: DefCore 13)" | 15:07 | |
| * zehicle_home tweaked the order in the agenda | 15:08 | |
| zehicle_home | let's start w/ the Swift topic | 15:08 |
| zehicle_home | can someone provide background for the discussion? | 15:08 |
| * markvoelker can take a stab at it, but hogepodge is probably more on point for this | 15:09 | |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I spoke with notmyname about it. Swift's definition of admin is different from Keystone, so it's unclear how much privilege an account needs. | 15:09 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: admin, from what I understand, means someone who can post to a swift account. | 15:09 |
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| zehicle_home | my understanding is the Swift has a lot of tests that are not part of tempest | 15:10 |
| zehicle_home | so that's the top item. | 15:10 |
| markvoelker | So, background: | 15:10 |
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| hogepodge | zehicle_home: that set of tests is part of the review markvoelker posted earlier. | 15:10 |
| markvoelker | WE had a priority this cycle to be able to include non-Tempest tests in our Guidelines | 15:10 |
| zehicle_home | I was looking at the reviews on it | 15:10 |
| markvoelker | Swift is the first case for that b/c they have some in-tree functional tests | 15:11 |
| markvoelker | The patch above submits those tests | 15:11 |
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| markvoelker | In order to accept them, we have to actually have a mechanism for folks to run them in refstack | 15:11 |
| zehicle_home | markvoelker, my thinking was we had to decide if we would include them. including them would be follow-up work | 15:11 |
| markvoelker | And we need to make sure they comply with Guidelines, etc. | 15:11 |
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| markvoelker | So the refstack team has prototype code that would make this mechanically possible | 15:12 |
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| zehicle_home | +1 we had agreed in principle that all tests would need to work w/ refstack | 15:12 |
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| markvoelker | But there's still legwork that needs doing. | 15:12 |
| markvoelker | <end background> | 15:12 |
| zehicle_home | before we jump into background... | 15:12 |
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| zehicle_home | background -> implementation | 15:12 |
| rockyg | o/ | 15:13 |
| zehicle_home | I want to make sure of two things: | 15:13 |
| zehicle_home | 1) the tests in question are still outside of tempest / refstack | 15:13 |
| zehicle_home | 2) we have a position to accept them as being outside of tempest. | 15:14 |
| zehicle_home | if the are runnable from tempest, then it's a simpler discussion | 15:14 |
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| markvoelker | 1) Yes, these are in the Swift tree. See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164865/ | 15:14 |
| hogepodge | zehicle_home: regarding 1), the plugin allows the tests to be run within the tempest framework, but they remain in swift tree. | 15:15 |
| zehicle_home | hogepodge, ok. that's my confusion then | 15:15 |
| zehicle_home | so, these tests work w/in the tools that we are using | 15:15 |
| zehicle_home | we've been expecting lots of tests to move into the projects from tempest tree | 15:15 |
| hogepodge | zehicle_home: 2) I'm torn on that one. at a minimum, an external test framework needs to be an accepted openstack project with diversity of contributions | 15:16 |
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| zehicle_home | I was thinking that we'd decided that 2) was not acceptable at this point | 15:16 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: Well, they *will* work within our tools, if the POC is finished. Refer to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214571/ | 15:16 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: In Austin we discussed using the plugin approach and the Swift/Tempest folks seemed to think that was a reasonable middle ground. | 15:17 |
| zehicle_home | so, if we take a position that tests must be runnable w/ the tools then there's a path forward | 15:17 |
| zehicle_home | markvoelker, thanks. that's what I'm trying to clarify | 15:17 |
| zehicle_home | it keeps DefCore from having to make the larger policy decision | 15:17 |
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| zehicle_home | but creates some work | 15:18 |
| zehicle_home | had that changed since midcycle? | 15:18 |
| markvoelker | Sure. For example, the current POC (IIRC) allows testr to find the tests, but running them is still hard due to configuration not being done yet. | 15:18 |
| * zehicle_home apologies for dragging up the history | 15:18 | |
| catherineD|2 | o/ | 15:18 |
| markvoelker | No, it hasn't changed AFAIK | 15:18 |
| rockyg | But the tests need to be in an accepted openstack project... | 15:19 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: They're in the Swift tree. I think Swift can safely call itself OpenStack. =) | 15:19 |
| zehicle_home | +1 rockyg - that's part of the 2015A requirements | 15:19 |
| rockyg | Right, but other, future proposed tests :-) | 15:19 |
| zehicle_home | for now, I believe the official position is that all tests must be runnable by Tempest framework to be considered | 15:20 |
| zehicle_home | and be part of the TC managed body of work | 15:20 |
| rockyg | ++ | 15:20 |
| hogepodge | rockyg: My opinion is they must be in an official project, with preference to tempest. | 15:20 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: Yes see 2015A section A2 item 5: "Tests must be under OpenStack Technical Committee governance." | 15:20 |
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| * markvoelker notes that we're 20 minutes in and suggests we move on from reviewing current status to how to move forward | 15:22 | |
| zehicle_home | since we've been pushing this agenda item, I wanted to make sure we can close it | 15:22 |
| rockyg | markvoelker, +1 | 15:22 |
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| markvoelker | So, hogepodge: you can help move the current POC forward since it's current authors can't continue to work on it? | 15:22 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: yes. | 15:23 |
| markvoelker | And we need to determine the suitability of the tests in question, yes? | 15:23 |
| markvoelker | Do you have that under control, or need some help? | 15:23 |
| hogepodge | #action hogepodge to take over work of swift tempest plugin and test suitability | 15:23 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: Now that travel has settled down I have cycles to devote to it. | 15:23 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: awesome | 15:24 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: plus I'll be at qa meetup in two weeks, so can work with experts there | 15:24 |
| rockyg | ++ | 15:24 |
| zehicle_home | ok, I think this is moving to an implementation problem not a policy issue | 15:24 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: double good. Please shout if you need help. Next couple of weeks are fairly bananas for me, but happy to help if I can. | 15:24 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: agreed, I think we've already solved that | 15:25 |
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| zehicle_home | #topic Refstack | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Refstack (Meeting topic: DefCore 13)" | 15:25 | |
| zehicle_home | hogepodge or catherineD|2 , you want to talk refstack and project change? | 15:26 |
| catherineD|2 | I sent an email to DefCore ML list asking for help on vendor registration help ... | 15:26 |
| markvoelker | catherineD|2: I can take a first pass at drafting that next week if that will help get the ball rolling | 15:27 |
| zehicle_home | I thought it made sense | 15:27 |
| catherineD|2 | RefStack is now a "Big Tent" project ... need to send patch tomove the repos next | 15:27 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: thx | 15:27 |
| zehicle_home | hogepodge, you have a plan to address developer changes? do we need to find funds/people to help? | 15:28 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker Create first draft of registration functional spec | 15:28 |
| hogepodge | zehicle_home: I have none. We need to recruit and extoll the benefits of assigning a dev to interop efforts | 15:28 |
| rockyg | Yeah. The how of vendor ownership that is not totally tied to a specific individual key set is important | 15:29 |
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| rockyg | With a Chinese dev from IBM particpating, maybe I can get a Huawei dev on board.... I'll try. | 15:30 |
| * zehicle_home wish some company just landed a big boatload of venture funding for OpenStack work | 15:30 | |
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| rockyg | hrm | 15:30 |
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| zehicle_home | ok, moving on.... last comments on Refstack> | 15:30 |
| zehicle_home | I think catherineD|2 would appreciate some +1s to her email | 15:31 |
| catherineD|2 | we need to solve the dev problem | 15:31 |
| catherineD|2 | so it is not an IBM project | 15:31 |
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| catherineD|2 | we just add one more person from IBM but that is just to make sure to get the work done .. | 15:31 |
| rockyg | need the flow/auth/ for changing committer of texts without changing vendor ownership | 15:31 |
| rockyg | s/texts/tests | 15:32 |
| zehicle_home | #topic changing scoring weights? | 15:32 |
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| zehicle_home | markvoelker, did you experiment w/ this at all? | 15:32 |
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| zehicle_home | I want to track it for a topic but have not played with potential changes | 15:33 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: not yet (no time due to VMworld), but it's quite simple to play with since the scoring script reads the weights directly from whatever .json guideline doc you feed it. | 15:33 |
| zehicle_home | IMHO, the critical question is where the diversity in +/- scores is | 15:34 |
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| zehicle_home | if 50% of the columns are all the same, then they are not really adding much to the score | 15:34 |
| zehicle_home | BUT they create a barrier to incomplete projects. that was the original intent | 15:34 |
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| hogepodge | zehicle_home: future direction and widely deployed are where I'm seeing the biggest variance. | 15:34 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: Sure. I have a few thoughts kicking around on things that might be good candidates for higher/lower weighting. But need to get time to play it out. | 15:35 |
| zehicle_home | yy. expected that - we did not want those to become "THE" criteria | 15:35 |
| zehicle_home | or it would basically be back to fighting over future direction vs. adoption | 15:35 |
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| markvoelker | I suggest we table the topic for now...we'll be doing some scoring over the next couple of weeks, so that will be a good time to experiment a bit and come up with concrete suggestions. | 15:36 |
| zehicle_home | I'd like to know if changes made a difference to outcomes | 15:36 |
| markvoelker | sure | 15:37 |
| catherineD|2 | Do we require to have the project PTLs to review the scoring patches? | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | catherineD|2: no, but we do encourage them to | 15:37 |
| zehicle_home | so, this topic needs to wait till we have some data for proposals | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | Or other members of the technical community | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: yes | 15:37 |
| zehicle_home | #topic Xen patch 215263 | 15:38 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215263/ | 15:38 |
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| zehicle_home | I merged that | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | Oh, you just merged it...thanks. =) | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | Ok, that should un-bottleneck at least two vendors that I'm aware of... | 15:39 |
| zehicle_home | #topic vendor config reporting | 15:39 |
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| markvoelker | We also need this one, but less urgent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217337/ | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | Basically the 2015.07 spec contains schema violations | 15:39 |
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| zehicle_home | markvoelker, doing it now | 15:40 |
| markvoelker | The latter patch there uncovered an issue with schema 1.3 that we'd overlooked | 15:40 |
| markvoelker | We don't really need to solve it right now, but just so folks are aware: | 15:41 |
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| markvoelker | Schema 1.3 contains two places where a Capability's status is listed. E.g. two sources of truth. | 15:41 |
| zehicle_home | thinking of agenda... next meeting is 100% focused on scoring? | 15:41 |
| zehicle_home | interactive session? | 15:41 |
| markvoelker | It's probably easiest to visualize here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215263/3/2015.next.json | 15:41 |
| rockyg | ++ | 15:42 |
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| zehicle_home | #decision next meeting is 100% scoring and will be conference call (not IRC) | 15:42 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 15:42 |
| zehicle_home | markvoelker, you are right. could be worthwhile to address in a v1.4 | 15:43 |
| zehicle_home | patch for that would be OK | 15:43 |
| zehicle_home | plenty of time tho. | 15:43 |
| zehicle_home | vendor config discussion? | 15:44 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: sure, it's not a big deal, just something we should eventually fix. I can send up a patch for it later. | 15:44 |
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| markvoelker | zehicle_home: do we have more to discuss on the vendor patch? Last week we'd suggested we keep the discussion on the ML to avoid further fragmentation, and there's been no further traffic | 15:45 |
| zehicle_home | we can keep it on the ML. I think there's fatigue w/ that one | 15:45 |
| markvoelker | There have been no replies to the ML thread other than a few more folks adding -1's to the review | 15:46 |
| zehicle_home | I'd like to hear from hogepodge if the Foundation wants to follect the info | 15:46 |
| zehicle_home | it seems like most of the issue is on the requirements but not the intent to get info | 15:46 |
| hogepodge | zehicle_home: they want it, but I'm not sure how to word it | 15:47 |
| rockyg | Yes. fine to collect info, not fine to require it as part of published descripion of vendor cloud or distro | 15:47 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: I think it's very much about the goal we're trying to achieve. Conensus seems to be the data proposed doesn't accomplish the goal | 15:47 |
| rockyg | +1 | 15:48 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: Could we actually have someone respond t the thread and say what the Foundation wants to accomplish? | 15:48 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: sure | 15:48 |
| zehicle_home | let's do that. I'm thinking of a patch that removes the details and let's vendor's decide for now | 15:49 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I have an interop meeting this afternoon and will raise it there | 15:49 |
| zehicle_home | we could add requirements in Hacking later | 15:49 |
| zehicle_home | the 1st concern was 2015B | 15:49 |
| catherineD|2 | hogepodge: pls also raise the RefStack resource issues ... | 15:49 |
| zehicle_home | then DefCore can iterates | 15:49 |
| hogepodge | catherineD|2: ok | 15:50 |
| catherineD|2 | hogepodge: thx | 15:50 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: Frankly, I'm of the opinion that consensus has gone against this patch for now and we should just abandon it, figure out what the Foundaiton is trying to accomplish, and then work on how to solve for that. | 15:50 |
| zehicle_home | I'm ok w/ that. I was proxy owner tying to capture Foundation request at the midcycle | 15:50 |
| zehicle_home | however, I do believe that vendors should state what they are testing | 15:51 |
| zehicle_home | I just don't know what to require | 15:51 |
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| markvoelker | I'm not against that at all, but that's explicitly not the intent of the current patch. =) | 15:51 |
| markvoelker | Which is why I think we should reset with a clearer goal in mind. | 15:51 |
| * zehicle_home is more invested in this patch then he thought | 15:51 | |
| zehicle_home | #action hogepodge and zehicle_home to work on wording of intent | 15:52 |
| zehicle_home | 5 minutes.... | 15:52 |
| zehicle_home | #topic last items - open | 15:53 |
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| zehicle_home | we need reviews on the Cap pages | 15:53 |
| zehicle_home | next week should help w/ that | 15:53 |
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| kbaikov_ | Cap pages? | 15:54 |
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| rockyg | capabilities | 15:55 |
| markvoelker | kbaikov_: I think he meant "capability patches" | 15:55 |
| zehicle_home | new capabilities for scoring | 15:55 |
| zehicle_home | yes, thanks | 15:55 |
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| rockyg | Yeah, I had to refer to etherpad for a clue ;-) | 15:55 |
| hogepodge | I have to update my end of that. Had a good conversation with thingee about how to break out cinder. Also need to add tests to my review. | 15:55 |
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| zehicle_home | at this point, if there's no patch for a new capability then it's not in | 15:56 |
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| hogepodge | zehicle_home: neutron was our target for the next release, and we're good there (thanks markvoelker) | 15:56 |
| zehicle_home | we OK saying no new capabilities at this point? or wait another week? | 15:56 |
| zehicle_home | anyone aware of someone running up to next week with a list of additional capabilities for review? | 15:57 |
| markvoelker | zehicle_home: the deadline for proposing them has expired, so I'd say stick with scoring the ones that have been proposed | 15:57 |
| zehicle_home | +1 | 15:57 |
| rockyg | +1 | 15:57 |
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| markvoelker | This is also one we should think a little about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214756/ | 15:57 |
| zehicle_home | sounds like the timeline was appropriate | 15:57 |
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| catherineD|2 | so we will score Neutron next week or the Neutron patch is ready to merge? | 15:58 |
| markvoelker | It's sort of interesting in that it prescribed API behavior as part of designated sections, whcih seems a little weird | 15:58 |
| markvoelker | catherineD|2: for the neutron stuff we just need folks to review if they think the tests are the right ones in the right places | 15:58 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: it's an effort to explicitly promote interoperability and discovery | 15:58 |
| zehicle_home | markvoelker, I think that makes sense. | 15:58 |
| markvoelker | And I need to flesh out the designated sections bits if folks are ok with them | 15:58 |
| markvoelker | Wouldn't the right place for that be with tests though? | 15:59 |
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| markvoelker | Need to think about that one a little. | 15:59 |
| rockyg | We can approve the patch and see what feedback we get from vendors | 15:59 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: the patches does not include tests though | 15:59 |
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| zehicle_home | wrapping up.... | 16:00 |
| zehicle_home | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 2 16:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore_13/2015/defcore_13.2015-09-02-15.00.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore_13/2015/defcore_13.2015-09-02-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore_13/2015/defcore_13.2015-09-02-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| zehicle_home | Thanks everyone! I'll send out a meeting link for next week | 16:00 |
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| rockyg | more coffee! | 16:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 16:30:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| sdake | howdy folks ;) | 16:30 |
| coolsvap | hello :) | 16:30 |
| bmace | good day | 16:30 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:30 |
| akwasnie_ | hi | 16:30 |
| mandre | hey | 16:31 |
| pbourke | hi | 16:31 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:32 | |
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| rhallisey | hey | 16:32 |
| jmccarthy | o/ | 16:32 |
| sdake | #1 - i am tagging liberty-3 today - someone please ack https://review.openstack.org/219746 - it is needed to have a functional kolla | 16:32 |
| coolsvap | sdake, done! | 16:33 |
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| sdake | #2 - the space available for kolla sesions at ODS is not sufficient to meet our list of topics - so we need to sort them in order of importance today in our meeting | 16:33 |
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| sdake | #3 - docs job is almost functional and soon we will have docs on docs.openstack.org - please help by improving the documentation in your copious spare time | 16:34 |
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| sdake | anything from community folks? | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | excited for rc1 | 16:34 |
| sdake | #topic liberty-3 announcement email | 16:35 |
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| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-liberty-3-announcement | 16:35 |
| sdake | timebox 10 minutes | 16:35 |
| sdake | please open that up and lets write a release announcement ! :) | 16:35 |
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| bmace | i think the "The community" stuff in there is a bit odd and inconsistent. it is called out in the top and then also at the front, inconsistently, or 2 or 3 of the bullets in the main list. it should be in either all or none of them and I think calling it out in the header is enough. | 16:47 |
| sdake | so fix it | 16:47 |
| sdake | community should e used instead of we :) | 16:47 |
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| sdake | can someone sort out the list of ansible services supported | 16:47 |
| bmace | i don't think that is needed either though. Vastly improved the documentation seems concise enough. | 16:48 |
| sdake | we are going to continue on since we are not done past our timebox | 16:48 |
| sdake | then fix it | 16:48 |
| bmace | i mention it here rather than just ripping it out since someone else actually added it | 16:48 |
| coolsvap | bmace, thats what etherpad is about, or add alternate wordings :) | 16:49 |
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| sdake | ok looking pretty good | 16:56 |
| sdake | #topic rc1 planning | 16:56 |
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| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 16:57 |
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| sdake | we have 17 blueprints listed | 16:57 |
| sdake | not all of those will be completed | 16:57 |
| sdake | just to be clear, anything that is not in "good progess" being defined as will be finished by September 25th will be bounced to mitaka 1 week prior | 16:58 |
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| sdake | we then have two 1 week periods of rcs - and then the final release | 16:58 |
| sdake | during rc2/rc3 there are no blueprints permitted | 16:58 |
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| sdake | Any questions on any of that? | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | nope | 17:00 |
| sdake | i would encourage people to fix high/essential blueprints first and same goes for bugs | 17:01 |
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| sdake | we have roughly 3 weeks of dev time | 17:01 |
| sdake | is there anything related to rc1 folks would like to speak about now as the sprint begins? | 17:01 |
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| sdake | ok then | 17:02 |
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| sdake | i dont expect we will finish all our blueprints | 17:03 |
| sdake | if you think your blueprint wont finish please let me knwo sooner rather then later ;) | 17:03 |
| sdake | #topic sorting ODS sessions | 17:03 |
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| inc0 | ODS? | 17:04 |
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| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-liberty-tokyo-design-sessions | 17:04 |
| sdake | openstack developer summit | 17:04 |
| sdake | you know the big shindig every 6 months? :-) | 17:04 |
| sdake | we will spend 20 minutes on this | 17:04 |
| sdake | for each section put a rank like this [2] next to the session | 17:05 |
| sdake | sort them all from 1-the last | 17:05 |
| sdake | so if you think session x is #1, put a [1] at the end | 17:05 |
| sdake | let me show you example | 17:05 |
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| sdake | i'll sort based upon an average of the scores | 17:09 |
| sdake | please continue on for the next 10 mins - then we can have open discussion :) | 17:09 |
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| sdake | ok folks can finish that up while we go to open discussion | 17:14 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:14 |
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| sdake | so first off, I am tagging and announcing the release of liberty-3 today | 17:14 |
| sdake | fantastic job eveyrone! | 17:14 |
| sdake | our community is rapidly growing and we are making great progress on the implementation | 17:15 |
| sdake | i'm super proud of our team :) | 17:15 |
| inc0 | we'll get fire-tested soon I hope | 17:15 |
| inc0 | production deployments == bugs to fix | 17:16 |
| sdake | ya well real world deployments are the whole point right? ;-) | 17:17 |
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| sdake | ok anything else then? | 17:18 |
| sdake | ok thanks for coming | 17:19 |
| akwasnie | thanks sdake | 17:19 |
| sdake | time to get cracking on rc1 ;) | 17:19 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 2 17:19:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-09-02-16.30.html | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-09-02-16.30.txt | 17:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-09-02-16.30.log.html | 17:19 |
| inc0 | bye guys, see you tomorrow | 17:19 |
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| rhallisey | see ya | 17:19 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 18:59 |
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| Rockyg | anyone here for logging meeting? | 19:01 |
| Rockyg | jokke_, dhellmann bknudson up for a short meeting? | 19:02 |
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| bknudson | sure | 19:03 |
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| bknudson | I'm in a different time zone so the meeting notice didn't fire off | 19:03 |
| Rockyg | Ah. | 19:04 |
| Rockyg | ok. I'll get it started... | 19:04 |
| Rockyg | #starmeeting log_wg | 19:04 |
| bknudson | actually my calendar has the meeting in 1 hr | 19:04 |
| Rockyg | Oh, shoot. I think you're right. | 19:04 |
| Rockyg | lemme check | 19:04 |
| Rockyg | you're right. PDT. So, ready in about an hour? | 19:05 |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 19:05 |
| Rockyg | Ikeep messing this one up. Dang. | 19:05 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:59 |
| Rockyg | Back again! Is this the right time? | 19:59 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | yes | 20:02 |
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| Rockyg | ok. | 20:02 |
| Nikolay_St | hi | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 20:02:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann, bknudson ? | 20:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | I'd like this one to be quick. | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | Hey! | 20:03 |
| jokke_ | hi Rockyg, bknudson Nikolay_St o/ | 20:03 |
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| Rockyg | thansk for the additional pings! | 20:03 |
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| Rockyg | #topic carryovers/info from previous meetings | 20:03 |
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| Rockyg | jokke_, anything I or the group should know about, be reminded of? Action items, etc. | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | there was change proposed into oslo.log that might be in interest | 20:05 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218139/ | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | Ah. Ok. I saw a patch in flight that hasn't made it as yet. That one, I see. | 20:06 |
| bknudson | that seems like a bad idea, just from the example in the commit message | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | But I didn't have the link so that's good. | 20:06 |
| bknudson | too much flexibility | 20:06 |
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| Rockyg | From the commit message, I'm tending to agree with bknudson | 20:07 |
| jokke_ | I'm not sure if I follow you? | 20:08 |
| bknudson | the example in the commit message is just removing some fields. | 20:08 |
| bknudson | which if everybody does that we're just going to get logs with random fields in them or not in them. | 20:08 |
| bknudson | rather than more consistency | 20:08 |
| jokke_ | I think this is one of those things where it matters if we dash the empty fields or not | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | yeah. It seems to be adding fields that can then be randomly set. | 20:09 |
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| Rockyg | It's adding five fields that can each be on or off or none | 20:10 |
| jokke_ | I tend to be more on the freedom supporter as long as defaults sticks reasonable | 20:10 |
| bknudson | it's open source. they can fork the code if they want to mess with this. | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | well it's not exactly adding anything, it's just moving that default format string form constant to configurable | 20:11 |
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| jokke_ | bknudson: I was more thinking of attitude, "Oh you changed that? Well please set to default, reproduce and then you can come back to us" ;) | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | One thing I hope to do is participate in the docs sprint for oslo and documenting log config options is the top priority. | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | but tbh that debate wasn't exactly my point bringing this up | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | Since this seems to be delayed until M, we can query the operators and with more config info, we can see how this fits (or doesn't) | 20:14 |
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| Rockyg | maybe you brought it up because this didn't pass through this group? | 20:14 |
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| jokke_ | my point was what I have been saying for a while ... if you want something changed in openstack, don't file a cross project spec or spec in the individual project. Propose a change to oslo and most probably it's in there before you have finished spelling the neighbours cat's name | 20:15 |
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| bknudson | oslo is very quick to approve changes. | 20:16 |
| jokke_ | that change has not been discussed on any of these groups, they made bunch of changes, approached the oslo folks who were like "Looks messy and all" Then they combined it to nice and simple change and response was "How about we merge this first thing in M" No questions asked | 20:16 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. So, maybe that's a good approach for a number of our needs. Like adding a config option for Error Code that defaults to none but will print a placeholder if print all fields is turned on. | 20:17 |
| jokke_ | ^^ | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | blueprint doesn't seem to exist. | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | blueprints are merely used anymore to link specs to launchpad | 20:18 |
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| jokke_ | another thing I liked to query from this group | 20:19 |
| jokke_ | should we ask if Thierry has spare work room session for us? | 20:19 |
| jokke_ | I think the summit plans has not been fixed just yet | 20:20 |
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| Rockyg | I think maybe so. | 20:21 |
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| jokke_ | I'm sure we will not get fishbowl and I doubt we would get nor really have a use for the half day meetup session for the last day | 20:21 |
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| jokke_ | but one small room slot could be useful in the agenda | 20:21 |
| Rockyg | small room would definitely be best. | 20:22 |
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| Rockyg | #topic tokyo summit plans | 20:22 |
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| jokke_ | I can poke him tomorrow during the office hours and ask for it | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | cool | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | Huh. Back on flexibility bp. There's a spec that was merged back in July. | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | so, are we all going to meet in Tokyo? I got my travels confirmed so looks heavily that I will be there | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196752/ | 20:24 |
| bknudson | I'll be there. | 20:24 |
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| Rockyg | I've got hotel and registration. And the company expects me to be there. | 20:25 |
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| Rockyg | I'm on two panels, I think. | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | gr8 | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | please take lots of duct tape and cable ties with you :P | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | ok, missed the reference....huh? | 20:27 |
| jokke_ | just in case we need to voluntold some people to attend our hypothetical worksession :P | 20:27 |
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| Rockyg | #topic oslo sprint | 20:27 |
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| Rockyg | Quick one, then I have a work meeting... | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | Oslo doc sprint is happening sometime this month | 20:28 |
| bknudson | I'm signed up to help with the oslo docs... I use them enough. | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | I plan on documenting the log config options, where they get set, etc. and doing full coverage for Ops docs. | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | Would love some reviewers. | 20:28 |
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| Nikolay_St | Rockyg: you can add me as reviewer | 20:29 |
| jokke_ | I can do that much as review, but thats probably the best I can spare cycles | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | Figure first step is to get the info out there. Next is to fix what's broken in it. | 20:29 |
| jokke_ | we have this product thing we're working on at HP and quite hectic release in Glance so I'm quite well booked up | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | Not a problem. Just a cou[le more sets of eyes than just me and docs. I hope dhellmann will help me if I miss something, but the patch you highlighted has all the info I need, I think (pointer to crucial files) | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | cool | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | Thanks, Nikolay_St ! | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | We good to go? can I end the meeting? | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | before you need to run do you have any treats for us from ops meetup ... I heard that there was some good discussions going around | 20:31 |
| Nikolay_St | oh | 20:31 |
| Nikolay_St | I have one problem to talk about | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | or do you need to run? | 20:31 |
| bknudson | I've got an item. | 20:31 |
| Nikolay_St | I'll be quick | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Yes. But lemme put them together for you this week. | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Nikolay_St, go | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: if you need to run, feel free to chair me and I'll close | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | ok. How do I do that?) | 20:32 |
| Nikolay_St | sure | 20:32 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: #chair jokke_ | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | #chair jokke_ | 20:32 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Rockyg jokke_ | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | I'll read the scroll back when I get back. Discuss away! | 20:33 |
| Nikolay_St | I implement logging spec in sahara and murano projects. in the adapted spec we was agree to use pep3101 https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3101/ | 20:33 |
| jokke_ | Nikolay_St & bknudson: do you have topics for me or do I change to open discussion? | 20:33 |
| Nikolay_St | open discussion is fine, I think | 20:33 |
| Nikolay_St | for me | 20:34 |
| bknudson | jokke_: open discussion works | 20:34 |
| Nikolay_St | jokke_: ^^ | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 20:34 |
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| bknudson | I proposed a change to keystone to log the request ID: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218511/ | 20:34 |
| bknudson | Looks like it won't make L. | 20:34 |
| Nikolay_St | so, earlier we try to implement this patch in sahara: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164755/ | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | #link https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3101/ | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | # | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164755/ | 20:35 |
| Nikolay_St | thanks, jokke_ . I forgot about it :( | 20:35 |
| Nikolay_St | so, I suggest to implement this kind of stuff into oslo.log | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | Nikolay_St: you got yours first so mind to give quick reference around that so we don't spend next 30min reading through it | 20:36 |
| Nikolay_St | ok | 20:36 |
| Nikolay_St | pep3101 is about string formatting. it propose to use .format() instead of %s syntax | 20:36 |
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| jokke_ | ok, do you have specific reason why you want those two projects being inconsistent with pretty much rest of openstack? | 20:37 |
| Nikolay_St | the patch I mentioned up before is about added/extend logging adapter in the way we don't need to use .format() explicitly | 20:38 |
| Nikolay_St | jokke_: for sure | 20:38 |
| jokke_ | My interest is because I've been beating freezer guys not to use .format() as it not consistent with anyone else | 20:38 |
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| Nikolay_St | as far as it was partially my idea. in sahara we wanted unified style for string formatting at all. and pep3101 is looking for a future. | 20:39 |
| bknudson | is pep 3101 approved? I don't know how pep's are approved. | 20:40 |
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| Nikolay_St | I might be wrong but in py3 '%s' syntax will be deprecated. | 20:40 |
| Nikolay_St | or it was just plans | 20:40 |
| jokke_ | as far as I know it hasnt | 20:40 |
| Nikolay_St | I try to find out but don't have great success in it | 20:40 |
| Nikolay_St | it's kinda 'plan' | 20:40 |
| Nikolay_St | so, the main reason was 'a look into the future' | 20:41 |
| jokke_ | Nikolay_St: have you spoken with the translation folks how well their tools supports that? | 20:42 |
| Nikolay_St | jokke_: when I refactoring logs I see that .format was used here and there | 20:43 |
| Nikolay_St | but it's a good question | 20:43 |
| jokke_ | and while looking into the future might be good idea on this big workload, it would be really good idea to probe the OpenStack community wider if they are willing to or considering the same | 20:43 |
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| jokke_ | I personally value consistency magnitudes more than predicting future :P | 20:44 |
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| Nikolay_St | :D | 20:45 |
| Nikolay_St | you're right | 20:45 |
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| Nikolay_St | so | 20:45 |
| Nikolay_St | my suggestion is to take it to the next week agenda | 20:45 |
| Nikolay_St | I will take an answer from translation team | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | sounds like a plan ... ready for giving the floor for bknudson? | 20:46 |
| Nikolay_St | yeap | 20:46 |
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| Nikolay_St | bknudson: you're welcome :) | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | #action Nikolay_St checks the .format() compliance with translations, discussion continues next week | 20:47 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218511/ | 20:47 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: please | 20:47 |
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| bknudson | jokke_: that was it, just an announcement. | 20:48 |
| bknudson | trying to get request IDs in keystone logs, too. | 20:48 |
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| jokke_ | ah ok :) | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | were you using olso.context? | 20:48 |
| bknudson | the change is to use oslo.context | 20:49 |
| jokke_ | uuh ... suites you sir | 20:49 |
| jokke_ | would you expect it to land in time for Liberty? | 20:49 |
| bknudson | Liberty is tomorrow, I think | 20:51 |
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| bknudson | so I don't think it's going to land in time for libery | 20:51 |
| bknudson | would require cores to review it. | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | l3 is going to be tagged this week | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | it does not stop stuff merging into it, specially if keystone takes stuff like this in as bugfixes | 20:52 |
| jokke_ | liberty release is at October so there is month still to merge | 20:52 |
| bknudson | y, maybe it's considered a bug | 20:52 |
| bknudson | adds a new dependency to keystone so that might stop it from merging post l-3 | 20:53 |
| jokke_ | yeah ... really depends how the cores values it ... it doesn't need change to global requirements 'though? | 20:54 |
| bknudson | no, just uses the oslo.context that's already used by everything else. | 20:54 |
| jokke_ | most teams I've been talking with are really reluctant after RC1 l3 is not dead frozen yet | 20:55 |
| jokke_ | so maybe with little marketing of the benefits it might fit in ;) | 20:55 |
| jokke_ | it's also really small and clean change | 20:56 |
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| jokke_ | anything else? | 20:58 |
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| bknudson | nothing for me. | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | ok, thanks guys. Next week, same time same place! | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 2 20:59:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-09-02-20.02.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-09-02-20.02.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-09-02-20.02.log.html | 20:59 |
| bknudson | thanks | 20:59 |
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