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| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 13:59 |
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| kairat | o/ | 14:00 |
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| dshakhray | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting, dshakhray | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 3 14:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:00 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | hi there | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | Welcome everyone | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Updates | 14:01 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov had some updates on the artifacts this week. | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:02 |
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| mfedosin | o/ | 14:02 |
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| ativelkov | We still have a number of patches on review | 14:03 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-08-31-14.04.html | 14:03 |
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| ativelkov | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fastTrackPatches | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | there are many fasttrack commits on review | 14:03 |
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| nikhil_k | The gist is that we do not have blockers for liberty-3 | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | exactly | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | and client work is currently independent of py-glanceclient | 14:04 |
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| ativelkov | Yup, the copying of v3 client into murano for release is done in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219811/ | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | We also discussed the necessity of a separate BP that describes the EXPERIMENTAL API work done in Liberty; something independent of API_WG recommendations and good for awareness and documentation | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | uo/ | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | It shall add awareness to the v3 API as well. | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | That was done later, after the meeting. | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | I made a bp yesterday | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/artifacts-repository-api | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks mfedosin ! Please share a link whevener convenient | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | great | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | We should add all the links there too | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | Anything else? | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | nothing from my side | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | For drivers' meeting: | 14:08 |
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| nikhil_k | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-01-14.00.html | 14:08 |
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| nikhil_k | We discussed liberty-3 reviews and then moved on to a discussiong regarding the need of specs for certain code proposals that do not fit as bugs | 14:09 |
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| nikhil_k | That's been proposed under discussion topics today | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | #info Liberty-3 is cut today, most likely right after the meeting. | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | We move into the RC and testing phase and the feature freeze begins. | 14:11 |
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| nikhil_k | For any features that wish to go in Liberty, now is the time to propose and we will need a email to ML as a follow up. | 14:12 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: does the FF start from the cut of l3 or from the cut of RC1? | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | That's feature freeze exception (FFE) | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | ah k | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: feature freeze starts when l3 is cut | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: it starts now. as any FFE proposals need to come around l-3 cut | 14:13 |
| mclaren | there's a small change, if a swift client goes out that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170564/ might be doable | 14:13 |
| mclaren | change->chance | 14:13 |
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| nikhil_k | mclaren: glance_store 0.9.0 is released today-ish | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | was released about 30min ago | 14:14 |
| wokuma | nikhil_k: by features do you mean bug fixes that address blueprints? | 14:14 |
| wokuma | nikhil_k: or does any bug fix count? | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | wokuma: yes, big changes that can have larger impact | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | wokuma: bugs are allowed in RC | 14:15 |
| wokuma | nikhil_k: ok thx | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: we can do this after RCs before M as well. glance_store doesn't need to wait for M to open | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: and we are planning to discuss such things in the next drivers meeting. this will speeden up specs for client and store | 14:16 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: ok, let's see. I think it's probably a very small change to glance in the end -- most of the work was elsewhere | 14:16 |
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| nikhil_k | Moving on to next topic | 14:18 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Feature suggestions as bugs? | 14:18 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_, I suppose it ^ was you? | 14:18 |
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| * sigmavirus24 listens intently to jokke_ | 14:19 | |
| jokke_ | I've noticed this over reviews climbing up through the summer | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | more and more features "This would be nice" being logged as bugs rather than specs or reviews without either | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | gives me impression that we let perhaps our review guard down as soon as there is bug number in the commit message | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | is it just me or anyone else noticing that? | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: there are definitely two ways to improve this | 14:21 |
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| nikhil_k | So is this a pointer to core reviews to become more strict on the review scheme? | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | Honestly I've not been very with it this cycle because of $WORK | 14:21 |
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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I think we need two approaches to this: reviewers need to look at bugs before reviewing a patch and we need good triage efforts to eliminate those and mark associated reviews as rejected as well | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | SimonChung1: I've had lots out of upstream on my plate as well so that's why I'm asking ... have I just hit all of them or is this growing trend? | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | As I mentioned in the drivers meeting, I believe reviewers should be more careful/strict and whenever a case like the ones mentioned by jokke_ show up, the contributor should be pointed to the right workflow | 14:22 |
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| flaper87 | Guidance is important in this process as I believe people propose those patches in good faith | 14:23 |
| mclaren | what are we saying? any minor tweak that isn't strictly a bug needs a spec? | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | wupf that above there was for sigmavirus24 not SimonChung1 | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: I don't think so | 14:23 |
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| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: so, you suggestion for scheduled bug day when we do such dedicated efforts of triage? | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: I don't think so, but they should not be masked as bug either | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | the other thing that was mentioned in the drivers meeting this week was to have a "minor changes" kind of spec that we can triage quicker than normal specs | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: that wouldn't hurt at all. We can just do it in #openstack-glance or we can do it in a meeting slot too. | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: I think it has to do with the impact of the change, even if it's a tweak. | 14:24 |
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| mclaren | what about an 'in commit message' spec | 14:24 |
| mclaren | for example, take this change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218864 | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: I think we need to be careful of thousands of "tweaks" that can constitute a larger picture break in behaviour as a means of introducing a feature sans a spec | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | the alternative proposed above ^ . jokke_ had suggested lite-specs | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | To be entirely honest, I believe these things should be analyzed in a case-by-case basis and when in doubt they should just be brought up to the attention of glance-drivers | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | I wanted to see separation for client and store ones. | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | let's look at the link stuart posted, it's a good basis to discuss this | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | and document things that can overlap and affect other specs/functionalities/bugs | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | #info there are currently some issues w/ gate-glanceclient-dsvm-functional, recheck won't help | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: I guess the problem is that we don't have good patrol on the reviews. Some reviewers catch such things and some don't. | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: that is entirely true. I think reviewers should be strictier | 14:27 |
| mclaren | I agree there is a gap here. Something other than full specs every time sounds like a good idea. | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I haven't reviewed the code but based on the commit message I'm a bit torn. For one this isn't breaking backwards compatibility but it is a feature being snuck in as a bug and that seems ... sneaky | 14:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Could a "spec-lite" be a thorough discussion on the ML? | 14:27 |
| mclaren | the bug is a wishlist bug | 14:27 |
| mclaren | (I think) | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: it is | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: wishlist for OpenStack isn't what launchpad describes it as iirc | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: right but the point is, it wasn't just masked as a bug. | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | Wishlist is "This is a bug that isn't very severe and would be nice to have a fix for, but it probably isn't really necessary" | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: it could, but it isn't discoverable using the metadata gerrit uses | 14:28 |
| mclaren | in this case the change is fairly self-explanitory. What exactly are we trying to prevent (genuine question)? | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | It was marked as a whislist because there's no good way to propose small features like that | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | and spec-lite sounds like a great idea | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: one could argue it was triaged incorrectly though because there really isn't a bug about it | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | the commands worked just fine before | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | yes they were visually not appealing, but they follow the style of other commands in glanceclient | 14:29 |
| mclaren | so, "wishlist" | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: right but, originally, whislist were actually used in OpenStack. That's probably were your confusion is | 14:29 |
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| flaper87 | s/were/where/ | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | anyway, I think a good solution would be to have spec-lite | 14:30 |
| mclaren | Is anyone advocating a spec for this change? | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | a spec seems too heavy-duty | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I agree | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | and it'll have None everywhere | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | except on the problem description | 14:31 |
| mclaren | but some folks aren't happy with bugs either -- so it sounds like we need a middle way? | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | and in the patch fits in the "Proposed Solution" section :P | 14:31 |
| mclaren | heh | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | For one thing, this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219802/ isn't explaning the need for the back compat | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: on tuesday, we kinda mentioned having a 'one-line spec' kind of process for these things | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | (please, someone, correct me if I'm wrong) | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | We need to respect the v2 API of Glance API first and then determine what we can back compat | 14:32 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: ok, but that's covered by the openstack 'commit guidelines'? | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | I'm with sigmavirus24 there ... as it's know not to be a bug in first place, why it's logged as bug? | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: again, assuming good faith, it was openned as a way to track incompatibilities between the various versions in a moment of rush | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: ^ correct me | 14:33 |
| mclaren | jokke_: which change are you referring to? | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: that wishlist discussed above | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | I was just slow wording my thought | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | So, I agree it is not a bug but there's no other way to report that w/ writing a full spec | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: the proposal had one of those ideas and I would say that was where we were going towards. But we really need some metadata on the spec-lite else vital info is bound to get lost. Something 3-10 line specs that have mandatory and optional fields that describe the impact. | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: yes yes! I exxagerated with the one-line thing :P | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | anyway, can we move on? we've 30 mins left | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | actually, 27 | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | and this will require more iterations | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | and we don't have a solution | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | nor we'll find one now | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: I think syntax of the commit is okay but not necessarily the comprehensiveness | 14:35 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: I agree it doesn't meet the openstack commit guidelines (sorry, don't have the link) | 14:35 |
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| nikhil_k | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | In the interest of time, we need to move on. I think we can discuss this in the drivers' meeting or the next one when people have more examples and have thought about it more. | 14:37 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: 3-10 lines would fit in a commit message, and may mean less review overhead (FWIW) | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | But comparison of two or more features isn't viable from that single commit!? | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: ++ and I think we have plenty of room to improve our commit messages | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | at least I do | 14:38 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: how do you mean? (sorry) | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: can we continue on -glance ? This might take time.. | 14:39 |
| mclaren | sure, np | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | To the next one then.. | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | #topic FFE for 'Single disk image OVA import' | 14:39 |
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| nikhil_k | rosmaita had some really good notes on it. | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194868/ | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214810/ | 14:39 |
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| rosmaita | spec hasn't been updated yet, Kent is supposed to update today, though | 14:40 |
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| nikhil_k | So, I am proposing meeting on #openstack-glance for a quick sync up tomorrow (Friday, Sept 4) at 1500 UTC | 14:41 |
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| rosmaita | +1 | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: can we do it 1400? | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | malini is on the west coast time so, this seems like a good middle ground | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ^ | 14:42 |
| * mclaren can't make it | 14:42 | |
| rosmaita | 14:30? | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | I'm most probably not gonna be there either | 14:42 |
| * flaper87 will try | 14:42 | |
| jokke_ | 14:30 would be fine for me | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: 14:30? | 14:42 |
| mclaren | tomorrow's not good, sorry | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | can we page(r) you? :P | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | jk :-) | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: do you have a strong POV on the FFE for this? | 14:43 |
| mclaren | not really tbh | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | ok, thanks! | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | I will let people know about 14:30 UTC sync up. | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | thanks nikhil_k Irish Police does not appreciate IRCing while driving :P | 14:44 |
| mclaren | looks failry low risk | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: courtesy ping appreciated | 14:44 |
| mclaren | fairly | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | surely | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | Moving on to the releases, etc. | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reviews, Bugs and Releases | 14:44 |
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| nikhil_k | #info python-glanceclient 1.0.0 Released | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-glanceclient/1.0.0 | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: anything more? | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | minor hickups and few questions around --is-public ... other than that way less breaking world that we were afraid of | 14:45 |
| mclaren | only ~50% of our command set... | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k | It's a default API change!! | 14:47 |
| mclaren | how do we compare to other projects which have done that? | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | may be we should have released it 99.0.0 | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | :P | 14:47 |
| bunting | Did we skip discussion point 2? | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | following pip | 14:47 |
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| mclaren | anyway, are folks behind trying to close some of the gaps? | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | bunting: oops, sorry. I thought we covered some during the bugs vs features. Will try to give some time for it | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | If ppl have some spare time, please help going through the bugs 1.0.0-potencial and propose fixes | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | Some of those are actual bugs that we can fix | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | (easily) | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | some are actually broken :P | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ++ | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | that said, I'm expecting more panic in the upcoming weeks | 14:49 |
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| mclaren | are folks behind these kind of changes to increase compatability? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219802 | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | I don't think enough ppl have pushed the "update" button yet | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | I'd be happy to request glanceclient 1.0.1 within next week or so if we get fixes coming in | 14:50 |
| mclaren | yes please! | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: that's my hope | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | I htink we should do that to avoid backports | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | most of these bugs are backportable | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | but we have enough time to avoid it | 14:50 |
| mclaren | a shout out to flaper87 who's been on a bugfix rampage! | 14:50 |
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| flaper87 | if only the gate would work | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | ++ ... anything we can fix and release before RC1 would be great ... that menas we can cut stable/liberty from that 1.0.1 | 14:51 |
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| mclaren | I'm out of office for a couple days if folks are wondering why I'm not pitching in in the very short term | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: there are patches up already, reviews would be awesome | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | everyone ^ | 14:52 |
| mclaren | jokke_: when's that deadline do you know? | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | cool, thanks for awareness | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | same with glance_store ... keep 'em coming ... was released an hour ago | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | just go through the 1.0.0-potential bugs and review the ones with a fix proposed | 14:52 |
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| flaper87 | that are not whislist | 14:52 |
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| flaper87 | :P | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | 0.9.0 was released | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | #info glance_store 0.9.0 Released | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/glance_store/0.9.0 | 14:52 |
| mclaren | so we can get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219802 into rc1 potentially for example? | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | it's client | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | and they have different release pattern | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: yeah he meant in 1.0.1 before rc1 | 14:53 |
| mclaren | ok, I guess I mean m/stable client | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | (re a patch release before liberty is out) | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | so same applies ... that's our current baseline for moving to stable, but we can release patch release before cutting the stable branch | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | I think making back compat changes needs more discussion on operators ML | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | so no new functionality consider both FF bugfixes just won't be need to be backported if we merge and tag before cutting the branch | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | it would really bad experience if client behaves differently than the API | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: ++ | 14:55 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: back compat changes? or backwards incompatible? | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219802/ | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | and def-core/sdf et.al will come back at us even for this | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | sdk* | 14:56 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: ok I am lost here | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | sure, let's chat offline | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: sorry to interrupt, but there is 2 reviews in agenda and we have 3.5min | 14:57 |
| mclaren | we can break things with no mail to the list, but if we want to help users by unbreaking things we do? | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | Those reviews were added quite late | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | #open discussion | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | #topic open discussion | 14:58 |
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| nikhil_k | so, if anyone wants to point out anything | 14:58 |
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| wokuma | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195820/ has db2 fixes added. | 14:58 |
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| nikhil_k | bunting: you have something? | 14:59 |
| wokuma | Please review (again). Sorry | 14:59 |
| bunting | Yeah, i was going to talk about the backwards compatability | 14:59 |
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| bunting | because if are backwards compatable at least in the short term, we avoid breaking things | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | hmm | 15:00 |
| bunting | Thats why i pushed up that patch to reduce the short-term damage of defaulting to v2 | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | This is relative matter to affeting a lot of people | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | bunting: please feel free to continue on -glance | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | I will be there | 15:00 |
| bunting | ok | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | we are out of time | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| jokke_ | thanks | 15:01 |
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| TravT | o/ | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | morning | 15:02 |
| TravT | sigmavirus24: are you around today? | 15:02 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Yeah | 15:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sitting in a meeting | 15:03 |
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| sjmc7 | livin the dream! | 15:03 |
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| TravT | as usual, eh | 15:03 |
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| TravT | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:04 |
| TravT | I think we have quite a few items today | 15:04 |
| TravT | #topic General Status Update | 15:04 |
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| TravT | so, big news is that nova patch is in | 15:04 |
| TravT | thanks for the continued effort on that sjmc7 | 15:05 |
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| sjmc7 | sure | 15:05 |
| TravT | #topic release stuff | 15:05 |
| TravT | So, we all know the date, I think. | 15:05 |
| TravT | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 15:06 |
| TravT | Liberty 3 done feature freeze today | 15:06 |
| TravT | RCs Start: September 21st | 15:06 |
| TravT | Final RC October 9th | 15:06 |
| TravT | Last wee we talked about some release planning and release tags. | 15:06 |
| TravT | i want to review that again. i have a proposal on that | 15:07 |
| TravT | but first, i think we should review the current status on blueprints for liberty | 15:07 |
| TravT | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/liberty | 15:07 |
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| TravT | All but one of the essential BPs is implemented. | 15:07 |
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| TravT | hi david-lyle | 15:08 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:08 |
| TravT | Our high's also look to be in good shape | 15:08 |
| TravT | last night i bumped the designate to rc1 | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | we'll get it in! | 15:08 |
| TravT | yep | 15:08 |
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| TravT | only thing higher priority is functional tests | 15:09 |
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| TravT | lakshmiS: looks like you have really good progress based on your patch sets? | 15:09 |
| TravT | for functional tests? | 15:09 |
| lakshmiS | yeah. 6 more tests needs to be added. will be there by tomorrow morning | 15:10 |
| TravT | looks like you found a bug in metadefs in the process? | 15:10 |
| lakshmiS | yes thats more critical bug | 15:10 |
| TravT | ok, we'll look at bugs in just a moment... | 15:11 |
| TravT | but on metadefs, we have the BP as Beta Available because we thought it needed more code review | 15:11 |
| TravT | i guess you are getting to do some of that now with the functional testing? | 15:11 |
| lakshmiS | which bp you are referring to? | 15:12 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/glance-metadef-plugin | 15:12 |
| lakshmiS | oh ok | 15:12 |
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| TravT | it was ported from glance, but didn't get much review | 15:12 |
| TravT | so we marked it as beta | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. i'll take blame for that | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | i can help fix issues | 15:13 |
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| lakshmiS | yeah the tests should cover most of it | 15:13 |
| TravT | ok. well, i still will look as well. | 15:13 |
| TravT | so then if we look at the medium and lows, on that list above | 15:13 |
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| TravT | query-perf-tests, i think nikhil said he was still doing work? | 15:14 |
| TravT | nikhil_k? | 15:14 |
| TravT | or not... | 15:15 |
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| TravT | :) | 15:15 |
| TravT | on the horizon integration for images. | 15:15 |
| david-lyle | he's in rel-mgr-office now | 15:15 |
| TravT | i think we'll be looking at horizon integration for presentation at the Tokyo summit | 15:16 |
| TravT | last time we have very POC'ish | 15:16 |
| TravT | i'm hoping this time it will be actual patches up for review. | 15:16 |
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| TravT | there are a few other medium / low | 15:17 |
| TravT | but we don't have to go over now | 15:17 |
| TravT | we should talk about the release tags. | 15:17 |
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| TravT | My proposal is that we target these two: | 15:17 |
| TravT | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-intermediary.rst | 15:18 |
| TravT | ^ for now, meaning we do a liberty release. | 15:18 |
| TravT | but we don't necessarily have to do milestone releases. | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: sorry trying to be in 3 places, isn't working | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | l3 would mean doing today, right? | 15:19 |
| TravT | l3 is milestone | 15:19 |
| TravT | that would mean we were following this one: | 15:19 |
| TravT | https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-milestones.rst | 15:19 |
| david-lyle | sjmc7: yes, generally | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | so let's not do that :) | 15:19 |
| david-lyle | well it's a tag | 15:20 |
| lakshmiS | its only feature freeze anyway | 15:20 |
| david-lyle | then you have most of Sept to pull together an RC-1 | 15:20 |
| david-lyle | L-3 is not intended to ship | 15:20 |
| david-lyle | it should be working, but is not final | 15:20 |
| TravT | There is the "independent" one. | 15:21 |
| TravT | meaning release whenever. | 15:21 |
| TravT | https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/release_independent.rst | 15:21 |
| TravT | At least for now, i think there is value in targetting a release to happen that lines up with the larger release cycle | 15:22 |
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| sjmc7 | yes | 15:22 |
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| TravT | So, that means our goal for the next few weeks is fleshing out the couple of BPs and big bugs | 15:23 |
| lakshmiS | that would be nice | 15:23 |
| TravT | we can decide our actual version in a week or two based on how things look. | 15:24 |
| TravT | david-lyle had the idea of doing a release version of 0.8.0, to signify this is an initial release | 15:25 |
| TravT | the .8 correlating to the bigger OS release number of 8.0 | 15:25 |
| TravT | something to chew on | 15:25 |
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| TravT | On to some specific reviews | 15:26 |
| TravT | #topic reviews | 15:26 |
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| TravT | i'd like to call attention to this one: | 15:26 |
| TravT | Index CLI improvements: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210759/ | 15:26 |
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| TravT | this changes our command line interface | 15:27 |
| TravT | for the better | 15:27 |
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| TravT | but we might get stuck with the options it proposes for some time | 15:27 |
| TravT | so i think input would be good. | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | input away! | 15:28 |
| TravT | sigmavirus24: nikhil_k: rosmaita: david-lyle: lakshmiS: ^ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210759/ | 15:28 |
| * rosmaita looking | 15:28 | |
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| david-lyle | what is the value of allow stale? | 15:30 |
| david-lyle | s/value/reasoning for/ | 15:30 |
| TravT | A little problem statement: right now if you do an index sync command, it will go through ALL the plugins and sync ALL the data. In addition, it currently does not clear out non-current data. | 15:30 |
| TravT | so, if notifications get messed up, and say some instances were deleted, calling index sync now would not clear them out. | 15:31 |
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| TravT | sjmc7 put in an option to clear all data, and my feedback was that clearing all data should be the default. | 15:31 |
| TravT | possibly leaving stale data being the option... | 15:31 |
| david-lyle | I agree with the second part :) | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | what's the benefit of stale data? | 15:32 |
| TravT | that's a good question... | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | if I just went and made the API call to index | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | it is! | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | unless you're trying to build a history up, but I think it would just cloud the results with non-existent items | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | if we're ok breaking back compatability, i'm more than happy to remove it | 15:33 |
| TravT | clear also recreates the mappings | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | backward compatibility with kilo glance? | 15:33 |
| TravT | so there are some other side effects... | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | or Liberty Searchlight | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | :) well, in the sense it was already that way. if there was no reason for it, i'll take it out | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | speak now, or forever hold your piece! | 15:34 |
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| david-lyle | if just Liberty the API isn't really made official yet by a release | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | this isn't even the API, it's the management command | 15:35 |
| david-lyle | TravT: such as? | 15:35 |
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| TravT | sjmc7, any other negative rammifications to just always clearing? | 15:35 |
| david-lyle | sjmc7: even better | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | nope. do you want me to drop the confirm: y/n prompt? | 15:35 |
| TravT | david-lyle: i was just meaning that clearing clears data and the data mappings for the data. | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | go all wild west? | 15:35 |
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| david-lyle | so the only downside is an API call in the middle of a sync may get partial data? | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | adding options later (like to not clear mappings) is possible if we find a use case | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | david-lyle - yep | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | I think that's better than non-existent items | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | maybe this is stupid, but maybe don't have a default? | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | if someone's doing this often, there are ways to do it to avoid that (index into a different index and switch them over) | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | force user to specify which one? | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | then there's no change of behavior for scripts calling the manage command | 15:37 |
| TravT | sjmc7: i still think we should talk about the alias idea, to better faccilitate that | 15:37 |
| TravT | but another topic | 15:37 |
| TravT | for another time | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | the question is whether there's any reason to ever leave old data | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | in effect, whether that is essentially a bug in the implementation | 15:38 |
| TravT | i can't think of any. | 15:38 |
| TravT | and i don't see how anybody would have reason to know they should leave something old in | 15:38 |
| TravT | that would be quite the arduous task to figure out, i'd think | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | i can't think of any reason to do it, either | 15:39 |
| sjmc7 | ok. decision made! | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | and as sjmc7 says, you could keep a copy if yo ureally want to | 15:39 |
| sjmc7 | i'll leave the prompt in, since it is a destructive operation | 15:39 |
| TravT | now, re: the prompt | 15:39 |
| david-lyle | \o/ | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:40 |
| TravT | i like the prompt, especially because if you don't specify a specific type, you'll re-index everything which could be quite the expensive operation | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | and i should note, i took horizon as my inspiration for that | 15:40 |
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| rosmaita | i wonder whether the override should be --force instead of --no-input | 15:41 |
| TravT | however, I was thinking the prompt could include a list of what will be re-indexed. | 15:41 |
| rosmaita | sounds scarier | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | :D | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | --force is more unix-y | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | TravT - yeah, that's easy to do | 15:41 |
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| TravT | so, it would be searchlight-manage index sync --type OS::Nova::Server | 15:42 |
| TravT | Are you sure, you don't look like you know what you are doing (y/n)? | 15:42 |
| lakshmiS | :) | 15:42 |
| TravT | or searchlight-manage index sync --type OS::Nova::Server --force | 15:43 |
| TravT | that sounds good to me. | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | yep. and i can add a list of resources that'll be re-indexed before the prompt | 15:43 |
| TravT | yeah | 15:43 |
| rosmaita | that would be really useful | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | "You're about to delete all your data, you fool" | 15:43 |
| TravT | i'd be okay with a small bit of humor in the prompt... | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | kidding :) | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | i'll get another patch back up after this. any other issues with it briefly? or submit reviews | 15:44 |
| TravT | ok, cool, thanks for letting me publicly harass you this time sjmc7 | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:44 |
| TravT | i just saw this as an important change | 15:44 |
| TravT | worthy of discussion | 15:44 |
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| TravT | ok, so let's quickly look at other bugs | 15:45 |
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| TravT | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:45 |
| TravT | The sort parameter is critical and could use another set of eyes on it | 15:46 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206268/ | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. it's also reasonably simple | 15:46 |
| TravT | yep | 15:46 |
| rosmaita | good catch, that's a key feature request | 15:46 |
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| TravT | There is another big one we found | 15:47 |
| TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1491085 | 15:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491085 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Searchlight not updating on member change" [High,New] | 15:48 |
| TravT | so, we don't get notified when glance members change | 15:48 |
| TravT | lakshmiS: did you find any old code ready to submit on that to glance? | 15:48 |
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| lakshmiS | yes, i will put a initial patch. will need some input from glance team though(may be nikhil?) | 15:49 |
| rosmaita | i agree with sjmc7 that glance should consider this | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | i did take a look at glance yesterday. it doesn't seem like a really simple fix; adding another layer to CRUD pipeline isn't as simple as i'd hoped | 15:49 |
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| TravT | lakshmiS: when you get something up, can you notify rosmaita: and nikhil_k: | 15:50 |
| TravT | so we can get some attention to it | 15:50 |
| lakshmiS | hope glance treats this as a bug for liberty | 15:50 |
| lakshmiS | sure | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | it was a bug for kilo :) | 15:51 |
| rosmaita | kind of funny, we were discussing feature requests disguised as bugs in the glance meeting earlier | 15:51 |
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| TravT | yesterday we debated on bug vs bp a bit. | 15:52 |
| TravT | decided to start with bug | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | talking of glance, https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1490697 is related to the glanceclient 1.0 release | 15:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1490697 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "python glance-client for image-members has upgraded" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lakshmi N Sampath (lakshmi-sampath) | 15:52 |
| TravT | but if we need ffe on it, then we need to know asap | 15:52 |
| david-lyle | it's a bug that searchlight doesn't index neutron, go | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | :D | 15:52 |
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| TravT | Do we need another dedicated review hour? | 15:54 |
| TravT | like we did last week? | 15:54 |
| TravT | guess not? | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | i'm happy to do it | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | since i have a few changes still need reviewing | 15:55 |
| lakshmiS | guess everyone busy with releases... | 15:55 |
| TravT | Yeah, today is rough. | 15:55 |
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| TravT | let's plan on having one next Tuesday again. | 15:56 |
| TravT | just an hour to be online | 15:56 |
| TravT | and get through open questions | 15:56 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 15:56 |
| lakshmiS | sounds good | 15:56 |
| TravT | ok, i'll send out a courtesy meeting request | 15:56 |
| TravT | That's it for today, unless there are other items | 15:57 |
| TravT | thanks for baring with me. | 15:57 |
| TravT | :) | 15:57 |
| lakshmiS | 3 minutes early. signing out! | 15:57 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| TravT_ | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 3 15:58:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-09-03-15.01.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-09-03-15.01.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-09-03-15.01.log.html | 15:58 |
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| cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 3 16:03:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | #chair odyssey4me | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cloudnull odyssey4me | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:03 |
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| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | o/ whos all here today ? | 16:03 |
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| serverascode | o/ | 16:04 |
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| andymccr | o/ | 16:04 |
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| cloudnull | ok so lets get started. | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:06 |
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| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am to drop note on the ML for OSAD to ensure we're making the proper changes for liberty | 16:06 |
| evrardjp | hello | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: what? | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | ^ Sam-I-Am i've seen no note. liberty is just around the corner, can you get to that sometime soonish ? | 16:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: i was assigned something? | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | you were | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | glad i'm late to the party | 16:07 |
| stevelle | better late than never? | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i need a refresh on whatever this is | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-27-16.01.log.html | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | 16:08:44 - 16:12:42 | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | next on the action item list: follow up with mattt regarding neutron changes - related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215584/ | 16:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, i had to bail when that came up | 16:09 |
| andymccr | mattt isn't available atm i think | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull I think that was for me, but it was done | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | we're waiting for that patch to merge now | 16:10 |
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| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: you bbl'd 9 seconds before the action item .... | 16:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: these changes arent really architectural. just config changes... like other services get between releases. | 16:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | the main one is that agent config that is currently in ml2_conf.ini gets broken out into agent config files | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: ok yea that patch is now accepted. | 16:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | that deal was finally settled | 16:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | also implementation of ml2 extensions, if necessary | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | so the only follow up we should do on that is to see if theres a better way to do incremental migrations. | 16:12 |
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| cloudnull | however right now they work. as they've done in the past so its not pressing. | 16:13 |
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| odyssey4me | yep | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | anything else from last week that we should be following up on ? | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | not to my knowledge | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | based on the summary i think that was all we had. | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | #topic Liberty Release Blueprints (note dependencies) | 16:15 |
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| cloudnull | looks like theres been some progress on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/liberty-upgrade-path | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | I added https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/named-veths as a dependency, as it seems this should be sorted out asap | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | +1 | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | yarp | 16:16 |
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| cloudnull | palendae: just needs some time to get at the rest of that spec | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | time | 16:16 |
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| cloudnull | mariadb 10 spec is ready for review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/upgrade-mariadb-v10 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203708/ | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: do we need a general liberty-things spec that we can hit for changes like neutron bits? | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull yeah that review is consistently failing, so there must be an issue there | 16:17 |
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| palendae | cloudnull: I had some of that updated, but a drive-by patchset, so I'm trying to figure that out | 16:17 |
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| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am personally I don't think we need a spec for the liberty bits - we just add the blueprint link | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: ok | 16:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | palendae: if you give me the things, i can update the spec | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | it makes better sense to me to have spec for bigger changes in functionality, or new features - but the bp is fine for the basic goal | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: ill have to redigg into the mariadb10 changes i had to rebase it this morning. | 16:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's openstack changes, and osad architectural/ansible changes... neutron not impacting the latter | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am it's better if you simply add comments to the review and let the author handle the changes | 16:19 |
| palendae | Sam-I-Am: Or I could just write the same things in the spec | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | same with rabbitmq | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/compartmentalize-rabbitmq | 16:19 |
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| cloudnull | at this point the one spec that I've not worked on is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/limit-mysql-config-distribution | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203754/ | 16:21 |
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| cloudnull | if someone has "time" it would be great to get some help with that | 16:22 |
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| prometheanfire | hi | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, the rest of the work for liberty is really to figure out the deprecated bits and to adjust the configs, policies, etc | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | I think that we should spend the next couple of weeks on stability and just that. | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | it might be best to itemise each service into a blueprint, then assign those individually | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | no specs - just a blueprint for easier tracking | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | Im game with that | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | the alternative is that we just use the one blueprint | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | #action make a BP to track each OS service and remove deprecated variables | 16:26 |
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| prometheanfire | do we know how much work is needed for kilo -> liberty upgrades? | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | you will when you do the work | 16:26 |
| prometheanfire | thanks | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:26 |
| * cloudnull a helper | 16:26 | |
| prometheanfire | right after we finish juno -> kilo | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | #topic Mitaka Summit Discussion Agenda (input required) | 16:27 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-mitaka-summit | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | we could do with https://review.openstack.org/168976 being reviewed | 16:27 |
| prometheanfire | ops will likely have a session on using containers infra side | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | i updated the bottom of the etherpad | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | Our requested rooms | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | we requrested 2 workgroups , 1 fishbowl, and a contributors meetup on friday | 16:28 |
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| cloudnull | from the foundation the space is small and rooms are going to be at a premium | 16:28 |
| prometheanfire | they'll also have a upgrade session we could probably talk at | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | that said, ttx said that there will also be a lot of overflow tables | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | which we can consume as needed. | 16:28 |
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| evrardjp | good to know | 16:29 |
| prometheanfire | info here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | it may be worthwhile for us to do some sort of work session - perhaps to update docs for liberty? | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | docs are quickly falling behind | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | both kilo and liberty docs are horribly out of date | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: ^^ | 16:29 |
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| cloudnull | prometheanfire: on the ops etherpad , if you've not already, could you drop some bits there so that we can try and be part of their general discussion. | 16:30 |
| prometheanfire | ya, will do | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | getting into the moderators for the tokyo ops meetup might be a good thing too | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | ++ lightning talks | 16:31 |
| prometheanfire | ya, we can do the lightening talks for sure | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | #action prometheanfire to get involved with the ops meetup ligtning and moderator talks | 16:32 |
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| cloudnull | # topic Reviews | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | #topic Reviews | 16:32 |
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| cloudnull | what do we need to highlight for reviews | 16:32 |
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| cloudnull | tunable plugin - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220212/ | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | as always: http://bit.ly/openstack-ansible-review-starred | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | ive seperated out the plugin from the replace, NOTE: i still need to update the replace review | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | sigmavirus24: if youre able I've updated the plugin in a new review implementing the comments you had on the initial patch | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:35 |
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| cloudnull | the airing of grievances - does anyone have anything ? | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | nope, not me | 16:36 |
| stevelle | thank you everyone for the work on build stability | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | wasn't the tunable plugin supposed to be called update_template or template_update? | 16:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: will review | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | stevelle ++ | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | I agree with stevelle | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | evrardjp: there was some talk and config_template is what was landed on | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | however I'm open to change | 16:37 |
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| evrardjp | nope, whatever was decided in the last meeting is fine | 16:37 |
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| evrardjp | other question, should we define a session to work on the lxc template creation and distribution? | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | sure that'd be awesome ! | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | ++ | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | a little mini sprint | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | I think we can get a lot of those mini sprints done at the overflow tables. | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | if we cant get a specific session for it | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | but yes I think thats an awesome topic to cover. | 16:39 |
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| odyssey4me | just consider that we do have a lot we're trying to do, so it'd be best if we figure out what we must do and focus on it | 16:40 |
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| cloudnull | agreed | 16:40 |
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| evrardjp | so I guess you have a list in mind odyssey4me? ;) | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | oh, in other news: https://review.openstack.org/186684 | 16:41 |
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| odyssey4me | evrardjp yeah, the blueprints already registered :) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible | 16:42 |
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| cloudnull | ok so i guess we're done here. | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | thank you everyone | 16:44 |
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| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 3 16:45:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-09-03-16.03.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-09-03-16.03.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-09-03-16.03.log.html | 16:45 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 3 17:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 17:01 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mohankumar_ | Hi | 17:01 |
| georgewang | hi | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | Any topic you would like to discuss today? | 17:01 |
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| LouisF | hi | 17:01 |
| abhisriatt | hi | 17:02 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: no official agenda? | 17:02 |
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| Brian__ | Hi | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | I have something to discuss with you | 17:02 |
| vikram | hi | 17:02 |
| LouisF | vikram: hi | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | Paul sent an email to openstack-dev about the packaging and release of networking-sfc. Have you read the related emails? | 17:03 |
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| cathy_ | I think we need to sort out clearly what changes we need to put into other OpenStack repo. | 17:04 |
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| vikram | cathy_: other OpenStack repo? | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | First Thanks Paul Carver for raising that question in the alias! | 17:04 |
| pcarver | cathy_: +1 That's the main thing that's bothering me right now | 17:04 |
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| cathy_ | vikram: I mean, if we need to make any change in Neutron core component or Neutron client component etc. | 17:05 |
| pcarver | We need to modify things like OvS agent, neutronclient, etc | 17:05 |
| vikram | cathy_: I will be doing the release for networking-onos .. Will share you the info once i am clear next week | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | vikram: great! | 17:05 |
| pcarver | But we're trying to follow the "big tent/stadium" model with our own repo | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | for API and DB, we are good since they are all new files | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes | 17:05 |
| vikram | cathy_: from neutronclient all the required changes we have merged | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | for CLI part, mohankumar_ and vikram : is there any hook we need to add to existing component? | 17:06 |
| vikram | cathy_: no dependency | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | vikram: great! | 17:07 |
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| vikram | cathy_: all are merged | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | vikram: OK, got it. thanks! | 17:07 |
| pcarver | vikram: Do you mean merged into the neutron-client repo or the networking-sfc repo? | 17:07 |
| vikram | neutron-client repo | 17:08 |
| pcarver | Does that mean we don't need the neutronclient directory in the networking-sfc repo anymore? | 17:08 |
| vikram | pcarver: I meant the dependent changes for python-neutronclient is merged | 17:09 |
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| pcarver | vikram: Oh, ok. What I'm concerned with is the neutronclient stuff that we're putting in the networking-sfc repo | 17:09 |
| vikram | pcarver: now networking-sfc will not have any dependencies with neutronclient for CLI | 17:09 |
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| LouisF | vikram: so we still have the neutronclient dir in networking-sfc? | 17:10 |
| vikram | LouisF: yes we will have | 17:10 |
| LouisF | vikram: ok | 17:10 |
| vikram | LouisF: networking-sfc cmds must reside in it's repo | 17:11 |
| vikram | like https://github.com/openstack/networking-bgpvpn/tree/master/networking_bgpvpn/neutronclient | 17:11 |
| pcarver | So how does it work, when deploying/installing neutronclient code that's in the networking-sfc repo? | 17:11 |
| pcarver | And similar question for other parts such as OvS agent | 17:11 |
| vikram | pcarver: networking-sfc setup.cfg will have entry-points for the new cli's | 17:12 |
| vikram | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210008/7/setup.cfg | 17:13 |
| vikram | pcarver: you can refer these changes | 17:13 |
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| pcarver | Ok, I think I understand. So neutronclient will pick up the networking-sfc extensions dynamically without needing to make changes to the actual neutronclient code. | 17:15 |
| pcarver | Does that also work the same way for the OvS agent? | 17:15 |
| vikram | pcarver: +1 for neutronclient | 17:16 |
| vikram | pcarver: I am not aware of OvS agent changes .. so can't comment | 17:16 |
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| pcarver | And does it work the same way for the API? Core neutron will automatically detect and load the networking-sfc API? | 17:16 |
| vikram | pcarver: If we check :https://github.com/openstack/networking-sfc/blob/master/requirements.txt | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes, we will add hooks to the setup.cfg | 17:19 |
| vikram | -e git://git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron.git#egg=neutron | 17:19 |
| vikram | + setup.cfg.. will take care of this | 17:19 |
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| vikram | cathy_: We need the server code for verifying client + horizon code | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | vikram: you only add new networking-sfc files to neutronclient directory and the neutron client will automaticlaly pick up your new files | 17:20 |
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| vikram | cathy_: yes.. because we mention the entry points in setup.cfg | 17:21 |
| LouisF | bouthors_: hi | 17:21 |
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| cathy_ | bouthors_: hi | 17:21 |
| bouthors_ | hi | 17:21 |
| vikram | cathy_: so when networking-sfc is installed entry-points will be installed | 17:21 |
| vikram | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210008/7/setup.cfg | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | for service chain plugin and common driver manager part, there is no dependency. So we are good for this part too. | 17:22 |
| vikram | [entry_points]28 | 17:22 |
| vikram | neutronclient.extension=29 | 17:22 |
| vikram | flow_classifier = networking_sfc.neutronclient.flow_classifier30 | 17:22 |
| vikram | port_chain = networking_sfc.neutronclient.port_chain31 | 17:22 |
| vikram | port_pair = networking_sfc.neutronclient.port_pair32 | 17:22 |
| vikram | port_pair_group = networking_sfc.neutronclient.port_pair_group33 | 17:22 |
| vikram | 17:22 | |
| vikram | cathy_: We need the server code for verifying client + horizon code | 17:23 |
| vikram | cathy_: We cannot find db migration files in the current review links | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | The API and DB codes are already posted. | 17:23 |
| LouisF | vikram: we will be adding the migration files | 17:23 |
| vikram | LouisF: ok.. once added can you please notify.. | 17:24 |
| vikram | LouisF: we will start our testing | 17:24 |
| LouisF | vikram: tomorrow | 17:24 |
| vikram | LouisF: great | 17:24 |
| mohankumar_ | LouisF: that great | 17:24 |
| LouisF | we will also be posting unit tests for db and extensions | 17:25 |
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| pcarver | Ok, so it sounds like the only other thing is how the OvS agent additions work | 17:25 |
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| vikram | pcarver: do you have the link handy? | 17:26 |
| pcarver | We'll be adding code that will add flow table entries to OvS. This code needs to be called by the OvS agent. | 17:26 |
| vikram | pcarver: i mean the code changes link? | 17:26 |
| pcarver | vikram: I'm not sure there's a review up yet with the OvS agent changes | 17:26 |
| pcarver | cathy_:, LouisF: have you got any OvS agent code? | 17:27 |
| vikram | pcarver: ok.. as you have mentioned then we might need ofagent to be modified | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | OVS driver does not have dependency, so we are good. But for OVS agent, we need to add a small amount of codes in existing OVS agent | 17:27 |
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| LouisF | pcarver: we hope to post ovs agent code soon | 17:28 |
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| vikram | cathy_, LouisF: do you need the code in neutron repo? | 17:28 |
| pcarver | vikram: The actual guts of what networking-sfc does will be putting flows into OvS | 17:28 |
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| pcarver | All the work so far is just leading up to figuring out what flows to put into OvS | 17:28 |
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| pcarver | All the API and neutronclient and DB ultimately is there to drive OvS changes | 17:29 |
| Anh-NetCracker | Hi, I have a question. How would OVS work with other hardware based ̣network controller? | 17:29 |
| pcarver | At least for the initial reference implementation anyway | 17:29 |
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| cathy_ | vikram: we need to make a change to neutron OVS agent. | 17:29 |
| LouisF | vikram: there more need to be change to ovs_neutron_agent.py | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | We will need to get that small patch approved and merged. | 17:29 |
| pcarver | Anh-NetCracker: I spoke to broadly. The API and client and DB will support multiple backends | 17:30 |
| vikram | cathy_: oh.. then we need to get those changes in.. right | 17:30 |
| pcarver | but other backends aren't part of the initial work effort | 17:30 |
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| cathy_ | vikram: yes | 17:30 |
| vikram | cathy_: Liberty-3 is planned this week... | 17:31 |
| pcarver | The OvS agent will be the initial backend that actually does something in response to the API etc | 17:31 |
| vikram | cathy_: I don't know if the code will be allowed after this | 17:31 |
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| vikram | cathy_: May be we can confirm with armax | 17:31 |
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| cathy_ | vikram: sure. | 17:32 |
| LouisF | vikram: this would be similar to how OVSDVRNeutronAgent is activated on ovs_neutron_agent.py | 17:33 |
| vikram | LouisF: Ok.. I am not aware with OVS Agent code :( | 17:33 |
| vikram | need to read :) | 17:34 |
| LouisF | vikram: ok | 17:34 |
| vikram | Sorry, need to go for dinner.. My family is waiting .. | 17:36 |
| vikram | bye | 17:36 |
| cathy_ | vikram: thanks! bye | 17:36 |
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| pcarver | vikram: Thanks | 17:36 |
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| cathy_ | we will explore to see whether there is another way to avoid any change in existing Neutron OVS agent | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | If anyone has any idea on this, that will be great. | 17:38 |
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| cathy_ | now let's go to horizon work. | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar_: how is the horizon codes going? | 17:39 |
| pcarver | I thought I read somewhere that Horizon basically "discovers" stuff by using the neutronclient. I haven't looked into how that actually works. | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: horizon provides the user interface, AFAIK | 17:40 |
| LouisF | pcarver: need to design the panels and tabs | 17:40 |
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| cathy_ | we need the horizon code for the demo | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar_: are you there? | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar_: I know it is midnight time for you:-) | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | OK, let's move to the testing | 17:41 |
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| cathy_ | what tests should we cover: unit test for each part, tempest, integration test. Anything else? | 17:42 |
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| cathy_ | OK, let's talk about the spec and code review. | 17:45 |
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| cathy_ | The API spec has been updated many versions to incorporate comments. If you have more comments, could you please post them by this week? I will upload a new version incorporate Armando's comment on the sequence of commands | 17:46 |
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| cathy_ | For the System and Design Flow spec, I will post another version to clarify Armando's question/comment today. Also please give your final review comments if any. | 17:48 |
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| cathy_ | Same for the other spec and codes. If you have more comments, it will be good to post them this week. We would like to get them merged and move forward. | 17:49 |
| cathy_ | that's all from my side. Anything else you would like to discuss? | 17:50 |
| cathy_ | OK, then we can end the meeting earlier today:-) | 17:51 |
| cathy_ | bye everyone, talk to you in next meeting. | 17:52 |
| s3wong | bye | 17:52 |
| Brian__ | bye | 17:52 |
| LouisF | bye | 17:52 |
| pcarver | bye | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 3 17:52:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-09-03-17.00.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-09-03-17.00.txt | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-09-03-17.00.log.html | 17:52 |
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