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| nikhil_k | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita | 13:59 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting glance drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 14:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 14:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| nikhil_k | There's not ageda for today/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | right, I think we've enough to work on till M dev cycle opens | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | If people are around we can discuss l-3 and rc-1 stuff. or anything else | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: yeah | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | There are still specs to review but I'd delay those in favor of reviews on implementations | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | that is to say, I'm happy to discuss l-3 rc-1 stuff is other folks are around | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | sounds like a good plan | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | Reviews to be done for L3 in the order of priority are: | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-liberty-3-reviews | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | We may be missing some already | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | I added a note for | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | I have fill for your 30min if you wish :P | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196240 | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | Also, it might be worth doing this outside of the release cycle | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120866 | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | I'd like to get drivers opinion for increasing trend of feature requests masked as bugs | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ok, please go ahead. | 14:04 |
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| jokke_ | ^^ | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: go crazy | 14:04 |
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| jokke_ | well ... there seems to be increasing trend and I'm not speaking only Stuart to think that our Images Api v1 and v2 behaving differently would be a bug | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | and the functionality sync is ok by bugfixes | 14:05 |
| * sigmavirus24 is here sorry | 14:06 | |
| jokke_ | and that seems to trending on both sides client and API | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | %s:/API/server/ | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | so, is this something you want to discuss? | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1489941 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1489941 in Glance "v2 client sorts on name in wrong direction" [Undecided,Triaged] | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | well that's backwards incompatibility between the APIs, definitely not client bug | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: so the complaint is that the API sorts in a backwards incompatible way in v2? | 14:08 |
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| jokke_ | this is good example of feature request masked as bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1489534 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1489534 in python-glanceclient "Move metadef commands to sub-commands" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Niall Bunting (niall-bunting) | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | It would be nice if mfedosin was here. Because, this was a openstack-spec that was implemented by him earlier. Seems worthy enough change to have bigger impact. | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | hi :) | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: bug 1489941 | 14:10 |
| openstack | bug 1489941 in Glance "v2 client sorts on name in wrong direction" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1489941 | 14:10 |
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| mfedosin | looking | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | I may need to visit the openstack-spec for this bug | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | I always tend to assume good faith and I believe cases where features were proposed as bug are just mistakes that can easily be fixed by redirecting folks to the right process | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: that's a good way to put it | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1489543 this is another | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1489543 in python-glanceclient "Different fields shown in v2 list than in v1 list" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to SamP (sampath-priyankara) | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | To be fair, the 1.0 release of the client caused lots of panic and raised many concerns, I can see why that metadef thing was created as a bug and not a spec | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | creating a bug is ok as long as it is visible enough for others too | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | So, I'd say: If things like this happen, please, lets notify more than 1 folk to spread the case among us and redirect folks to the right process | 14:13 |
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| nikhil_k | #info I think a spec has capacilty to link bugs so bug accompanied with a spec is the right way for the metadef change | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | I've noticed during reviews this being raising trend | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: It's great you brought this up because we should all be very careful when reviewing | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | so, thanks :D | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | it seems that people assume getting new functionality in easier if there is "Closes-Bug: #XYXYXYXY" in the commit message | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | I had noticed a couple but I didn't notice the trend | 14:14 |
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| flaper87 | again, I'd assume good faith and probably the process is not clear enough | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: this is good awareness! | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | or the feature did seem a bug to them | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | so just wanted to hear what's the expectation here from your side :) | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: redirect them to the spec process with nice words and examples | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:15 |
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| nikhil_k | It should be case by case basis ideally. However, the best approach is to figure out the impact ratio of openstack-wide/project-only | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | if >1 then spec, if <1 then bug | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | something nice and polite like "-2; if you want to continue fighting about this, file a spec, there is few examples in the repo"? :P | 14:16 |
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| nikhil_k | I think API changes, VMT related changes, usability changes come in >1 zone | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: more like: "-2, I think this change is spec worthy. It'd be cool if you could propose one so that we can discuss the impact further" | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | :) | 14:17 |
| * flaper87 teaches jokke_ the art of sugarcoating | 14:17 | |
| nikhil_k | That bring a good point; | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: i didn't realize you were so diplomatic | 14:17 |
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| flaper87 | rosmaita: only with new devs | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | should we open a new folder called spec-lite ? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: but things go south very quickly for me | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | I was more thinking single file rather than folder | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | hahahahaha | 14:18 |
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| jokke_ | just list of minor changes people would like to do | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: we need to follow documentation semantics | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: sounds good | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | so that they show up on specs.openstack.org | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: and? even if it's one updating file we can still do that | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | btw, we had agreed on always using the backlog folder for approved specs and them move them to the milestone | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | we never got to do that | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | eh | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | correct leve sub topic with couple of bullet points what and why | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | Can we start doing it? | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I think it's clearer and better | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: you are hinting at rel-notes style | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: pretty much | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | which might be good option | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | if we define the time period | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | that would be easy to follow and you would not saturate the spec portal with million links to two line coduments | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | but then I am in this dilemma of defining one for client and store | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | I mean one file per spec folder | 14:20 |
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| nikhil_k | I see | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | so maybe late for liberty but something like mitaka/minor_changes.rst | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | mitaka ++ | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: Let's discuss a plan for M in next meeting for backlogs, priorities for next 6 months, pre-approved for M, possible for M ? | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: separating server, client and store sounds perfectly reasonable | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: sounds perfect | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: cool! | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | was thinking that would make a lot of sense | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | yeii ... now I can go and get coffee and bit fresh air ... thanks guys | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | sparating the folders but keeping them in glance-specs, right? | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: we can avoid a few impact flags in this case | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: yeah | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | yeah, that makes total sense | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | maybe Thu weekly meeting with wider audience | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | ? | 14:23 |
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| flaper87 | this sounds drivers specific to me | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | but I'm ok with whatever | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | I mean, everyone is welcome to join this meeting | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: may be next tuesday and thursday. I think we want to discuss l-3 specific things this week | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | I meant to say, I would prefer not to use glance's meeting time for this | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | but if there are no other topics, I'm cool | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: like the freeze/release panic hour at thu? :P | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: haha, you caught the right nerve | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | so that people find a time and spot to show up for things | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | I'm fine with that ... as long as we do not exclude ... I'm just blunt enough to invade your meeting :P | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | haha, it's a openstack meeting :P | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | it's still an os meeting | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | just bring awareness for what's coming! | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | no one should feel excluded | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | and it's freaking IRC | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | bringing* | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: that'd be status for today | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | ok guys; if nothing else, have a nie day! | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks for the good conversation! | 14:28 |
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| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 14:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 14:29:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-01-14.00.html | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-01-14.00.txt | 14:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-01-14.00.log.html | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 15:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
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| EmilienM | #link agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20150901 | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 15:00 |
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| mwhahaha | hi | 15:00 |
| aderyugin | o/ | 15:00 |
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| clayton | here | 15:00 |
| xarses | hi | 15:00 |
| partner | hi | 15:00 |
| guimaluf | hi | 15:00 |
| skolekonov | hi | 15:00 |
| angdraug_ | \o | 15:00 |
| iurygregory | hello | 15:00 |
| degorenko | o/ | 15:00 |
| iurygregory | =D | 15:00 |
| Hunner | mwhahaha: I always think someone is laughing in the channel when I read your name :P | 15:00 |
| mfisch | hola | 15:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 15:01 |
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| clayton | Hunner: same | 15:01 |
| bogdando | hi | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic Review past action items | 15:02 |
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| EmilienM | clayton to prepare an etherpad about external install & svc management patches in puppet-* for midcycle | 15:02 |
| clayton | working on it right now :) | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | clayton: I don't see the etherpad on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-liberty-mid-cycle | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | ok, we have an agenda topic anyway | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | richm to start a new etherpad for midcycle about keystone v3 work that we could achieve in 3 days | 15:02 |
| sgolovatiuk | \o | 15:02 |
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| mattymo_ | hey | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | richm: same, could we do an etherpad? | 15:03 |
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| _ody | o/ | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | EmilienM to sends an email to ttx about Summit rooms (2 hours of Fishbowl slots) and Workroom slots for dev sessions | 15:04 |
| richm | EmilienM: do we need an entire separate etherpad for the v3 midcycle work? | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | -> done - I haven't got news though, I guess we need to wait | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | richm: if you think we need to, yes. Otherwise no | 15:04 |
| richm | EmilienM: I added the work that needs to be done to the midcycle etherpad | 15:04 |
| mfisch | hola | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | richm: just make sure you know what we can do in 3 days of work, and the participants | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | richm: good | 15:04 |
| richm | EmilienM: ack | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | and richm to inform ML about Keystone v3 resource naming for domain scoped resources Liberty and M behaviors | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | -> done | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | so let's continue the agenda | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | #topic midcycle | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | #link midcycle etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-liberty-mid-cycle | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | pabelanger: please look https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-CI | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | I put two topics in high priority and two in low priority | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | let me know if it makes sense to you | 15:06 |
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| EmilienM | since we are only 2 working on this right now... | 15:06 |
| mfisch | EmilienM: what about ubuntu issues I was wondering if we could have a better pipeline to send them bugs and fixes? | 15:06 |
| mfisch | LP issues seem to be ignored/missed | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | well, heat/ironic/glance are now non voting for beaker/trusty jobs | 15:07 |
| mfisch | we can expect the same issues in M | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | I don't know what we can do more than reporting them on LP & IRC | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | maybe a bird | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | stable packages are usually fine | 15:08 |
| mfisch | if the packaging code was in git I can send fixes ;) | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: it's a bit out of the topic right now | 15:08 |
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| EmilienM | so to summarize we have 6 topics for the midcycle | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | Paul and I will lead CI work -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-CI | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | clayton will lead docker/pip/venv integration https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-liberty-mid-cycle-install-and-svc-hooks | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | richm will lead keystone v3 work (see etherpad) | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | mfisch will lead bug triage, I would love someone from mirantis with him | 15:10 |
| mfisch | yes and the bug list is posted and additions are welcome | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | ie, someone from Fuel team | 15:10 |
| mwhahaha | i can help | 15:10 |
| mfisch | It looks like a good list for now | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | #link bug triage https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-bugtriage | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: thx | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | mwhahaha: I added your name in leader names | 15:11 |
| mwhahaha | k | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | and the last topic (we have 5 not 6...) is | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | Module documentation and forge/puppetlabs approval status | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | lead by _ody and Hunner | 15:11 |
| Hunner | Yup | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | so if anyone is interested to participate, please connect on #openstack-sprint tomorrow and start talking to the leaders who will distribute the work | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | we will have a daily (short) meeting to see if there are blockers | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | ^ if needed only | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | the timing is regular work day, so depending where you are in the world | 15:13 |
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| EmilienM | we will have support from -infra team (anteaya will be around) so they are willing to help quicker than usual | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | anything else we might need to discuss about midcycle? any questions? | 15:14 |
| mfisch | when is the daily meeting? | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | this is our first sprint, so I guess it will be very interesting to learn from how it happens :) | 15:14 |
| mfisch | same time? | 15:14 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: no idea, probably yes, to allow everyone to join | 15:15 |
| bogdando | EmilienM, is it liberty bugs triage? | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: this is all bugs triage | 15:15 |
| mfisch | bogdando: liberty or even kilo, I made a list of bugs that are important and need some looking into | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | but I guess liberty and kilo bugs are highest priorities | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | mfisch++ | 15:15 |
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| EmilienM | cool, so I guess we can go ahead | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | #topic Support for atomic classes orchestration actions | 15:16 |
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| EmilienM | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/073268.html | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: o/ | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | reading your email, this is very interesting | 15:17 |
| bogdando | please read this thread and look for bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/puppet-neutron/+spec/atomic-classes-orchestration | 15:17 |
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| clayton | I was looking over bogdando's reviews for this earlier, I think there is a lot of overlap between what is needed to support this, and what is needed for the external install/svc management. | 15:17 |
| bogdando | yes, this is orchestration-agnostic feature | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | but hard to implement without breaking our current interface maybe | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | clayton, bogdando: so you guys might need to talk each others | 15:18 |
| clayton | bogdando: This is an example of what I'm talking about - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216926/ | 15:18 |
| bogdando | at least it is possible to decrease external references as much as possible | 15:18 |
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| clayton | I think we could probably integrate what you're trying to achieve with the same approach | 15:18 |
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| bogdando | clayton, EmilienM yes, this looks imilar | 15:18 |
| bogdando | s/similar | 15:18 |
| bogdando | clayton, would be nice | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: I would suggest you to spend a little of time with clayton during the midcycle and try to sort this out, at least by a follow-up of your proposal | 15:19 |
| clayton | you want to make the classes more composable and less tangled, and my stuff for the external install/svc management does that partially kind of as a side-effect | 15:19 |
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| bogdando | yes, that works | 15:19 |
| bogdando | let's do it | 15:19 |
| clayton | sounds good :) | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | cool | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: though, can you follow-up your thread on the ML? it would be interested | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | interesting* | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | anything else about this topic? | 15:21 |
| bogdando | yes, sure and could clayton do this as well? | 15:21 |
| bogdando | adding more details for related patches would be nice | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: sounds good, ok clayton ^^ ? | 15:22 |
| clayton | yeap | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | cool | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | #topic Deprecate RabbitMQ class implementation for nova | 15:22 |
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| EmilienM | bogdando, aderyugin o/ | 15:22 |
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| bogdando | there is a nova::rabbitmq | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | we should drop it | 15:23 |
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| EmilienM | I remember back in time, we talked about this with you maybe bogdando | 15:23 |
| bogdando | and this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216926/ seems just folowing the same pattern | 15:23 |
| bogdando | yes, we did | 15:23 |
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| EmilienM | I remember, we asked for deprecation | 15:23 |
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| bogdando | so, I will submit a deprecation patch. But we should think on a format | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: you should change all modules that have it, to send a warning if the class is declared | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | and in M-, we will drop the code | 15:24 |
| bogdando | ok | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | anyone against that ? ^ | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: please follow-up on ML | 15:25 |
| aderyugin | EmilienM, bogdando: murano requires 2 instances of RabbitMQ, and puppetlabs-rabbitmq module doesn't support multiple instances | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | so all puppet group can ack that | 15:25 |
| bogdando | idea is what we should either deprecate nova::rabbitmq or allow clones like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216926/ | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | aderyugin: two? wow | 15:25 |
| iurygregory | omg o.o | 15:25 |
| clayton | why does it require two? it can't use vhosts? | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | yeah? | 15:26 |
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| bogdando | aderyugin, yes, idea is to delegate configuring any instances to composition layer, IIUC | 15:26 |
| aderyugin | one for communacation with openstack services, and another one for communication with agents installed on VMs | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: please send an email about deprecating nova::rabbitmq in L and drop the code in M | 15:26 |
| bogdando | EmilienM, will do | 15:26 |
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| EmilienM | puppet-* should not manage rabbitmq server | 15:26 |
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| EmilienM | and for resources it could be managed by puppet-openstacklib, like it's done for mysql | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | #action bogdando ask on ML for nova::rabbitmq deprecation | 15:27 |
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| EmilienM | aderyugin: and for that, you can do vhosts I guess | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: though we could provide an interface to manage rabbitmq resources, but I'm not sure | 15:29 |
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| EmilienM | people should manage their rabbitmq resources in their composition layer imh | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | imho* | 15:29 |
| bogdando | sounds reasonable | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | anything else for this topic? | 15:30 |
| bogdando | not from my side | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:30 |
| * _ody does already | 15:30 | |
| _ody | didn't even know those classes existed | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | I'll just add a last minute topic which is some latest infos | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | #topic ci status | 15:31 |
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| EmilienM | so I disabled voting on beaker/trusty jobs for heat/ironic and glance | 15:31 |
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| EmilienM | but this morning I also found two issues on centos7 for ceilometer and neutron | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-neutron/+bug/1490990 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-ceilometer/+bug/1490986 | 15:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1490990 in puppet-neutron "acceptance: neutron fails to start server service" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1490986 in puppet-ceilometer "centos: puppet run is not idempotent (collector & notif agents)" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 15:31 |
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| EmilienM | it's useless to do recheck until bug are fixed | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | that's it about ci status | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage | 15:32 |
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| EmilienM | if you have any outstanding patch or bug, please go ahead now | 15:33 |
| guimaluf | IIUC | 15:33 |
| guimaluf | hey, I would like to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205243 | 15:33 |
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| guimaluf | this review intents to fix a bug, the way things are the use of swift_*_config depends in which order resource and template are applied. | 15:33 |
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| guimaluf | so I did not get the thing about backwards compatibility. what should be done? just wait? confirm the bug? | 15:33 |
| EmilienM | so let me explain my -1 | 15:34 |
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| EmilienM | since you are changing orchestration, if someone will run puppet with your change, I'm wondering if his configuration will change, since you change ordering | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | in that case, it will break deployer's configuration | 15:34 |
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| guimaluf | EmilienM, but this is the exactly problem. | 15:36 |
| guimaluf | the way things are done, this configuration just doesnt work... | 15:36 |
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| guimaluf | so I don't know if someone is using this. And I don't know if this applies only to swift | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | only to swift, yes because it's the only one module that use concat | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: have you seen that ^ ? | 15:37 |
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| clayton | It seems like a bug that this dependency isn't already there. | 15:38 |
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| mgagne | EmilienM: no, this is work I have not touched in a long time | 15:38 |
| guimaluf | so maybe swift should be move out from concat module | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: if you could just see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205243 | 15:39 |
| mgagne | I'm reading atm | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | guimaluf: this is a topic we're talking for... wow I can't remember ;) | 15:39 |
| mgagne | close to 2 years? | 15:40 |
| mgagne | https://github.com/mgagne/puppet-swift/tree/bp/swift-proxy-config-ini-settings | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | that would have been a nice work for the midcycle | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | but iirc, mgagne can't make it, right? | 15:40 |
| mgagne | there is nothing in progress to make it happen. my boss just came back today | 15:41 |
| _ody | concat is a scourge on modules everywhere | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: how did you manage orders with ini provider? | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | ie: middleware ordering | 15:42 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: I'm not using it AFAIK =) | 15:42 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: dmsimard is working on swift | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | guimaluf: regarding other +1's, and the feedback here, I'll +2 the patch | 15:42 |
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| mgagne | EmilienM: I only started on theorical migration to ini provider but never managed to actually test it | 15:42 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: but yes, there is no way to cleanly migrate to ini without breaking backward compatibility | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: ok | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | anything else? | 15:43 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: unless ini config build a concat fragment of some sort | 15:43 |
| mgagne | still reading | 15:44 |
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| EmilienM | any core can +A this backport? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214498/ | 15:44 |
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| guimaluf | EmilienM, ty | 15:45 |
| mgagne | only problem I can see is Puppet always reporting changes at each catalog run due to the mix of concat and ini provider | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | also, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207088 is deleting some old openstack parameters, please review | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: yes, so we loose the idempotent thing | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | which is bad | 15:46 |
| mgagne | yep | 15:46 |
| mgagne | that's why we can to find a migration path to make this new provider actually usable | 15:46 |
| mgagne | I'm guilty of half implementing the BP | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | who is Aleksandr Didenko? | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198695/ ^ | 15:47 |
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| mwhahaha | what's the question? | 15:47 |
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| EmilienM | I would recommend him to talk to Christian Schwede | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | or the swift team | 15:47 |
| mwhahaha | k i'll send a note | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | on thine one, I would like at least one +1 from swift people | 15:48 |
| mwhahaha | k i dropped him a message | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | cool | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | do we have anything else outstanding? | 15:49 |
| mfisch | nope | 15:49 |
| mwhahaha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194673 | 15:49 |
| mwhahaha | just wanted to check if that retry logic was acceptable | 15:49 |
| iurygregory | EmilienM, i have | 15:49 |
| iurygregory | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216821/ | 15:50 |
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| iurygregory | The idea when we appŕoved the spec was one class for Service Provider | 15:50 |
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| EmilienM | I remember yes | 15:52 |
| iurygregory | The common parameters doesn't exist because we will not use puppet-keystone to configure things related to shibboleth, mellon and openid | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | we said that all parameters would be the same whatever plugin we're using? | 15:52 |
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| iurygregory | yes we have agree that the class will have all necessary parameters for all plugins | 15:53 |
| iurygregory | and we will just validate according to the choice of deploy | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | the only one reason we should have split classes, it's if we can run multiple plugins in the same time | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | richm: any thoughts? | 15:54 |
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| EmilienM | it seems we have two options : | 15:54 |
| mwhahaha | there are other modules where you still have multiple modules even though only one can be defined at the same time | 15:54 |
| iurygregory | mwhahaha, have post comments in this review | 15:54 |
| richm | There was one keystone guy who strongly felt that each provider should have its own puppet class | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | 1/ keep one single class, only if all parameters are the same for whatever plugin, AND if we can run only one plugin in the same time | 15:54 |
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| EmilienM | 2/ split into separated classes for each plugins, with their own parameters and the capability to run multiple plugins in the same time (if keystone allows it) | 15:55 |
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| mwhahaha | my main concern about the current implementation is around the complex if/else used for validating all the combinations | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: if we turn to 2/ I'm sorry, I suggested 1/ during the spec review but I was missing some context I guess | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: true | 15:56 |
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| mwhahaha | if we split it out, it will be much simpler and i think easier to comprehend when someone goes to try and implement | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | I think it's early enough to iterate and split out, it's not a big change I guess | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: wdyt? | 15:56 |
| iurygregory | send another spec or change the spec approved? | 15:56 |
| iurygregory | wdyt? o.o | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: amend the spec and your code | 15:57 |
| chem | ? | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | which is 77 lines now | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | hopefully you did not sent 1500 lines | 15:57 |
| iurygregory | I agree with mwhahaha the complex if/else | 15:58 |
| richm | +1 | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: good for 2/ ? | 15:58 |
| iurygregory | yeah no problem in send other spec XD | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | that's why iteration is good :) | 15:58 |
| iurygregory | or just change the approved with the necessary modifications | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | we fail quickly and fix quickly | 15:58 |
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| EmilienM | iurygregory: do not send a new spec | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | amend the approved one | 15:59 |
| iurygregory | sure =) | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | good | 15:59 |
| chem | for what is worth I agree with option 2/ | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | anything else? 2 min left | 15:59 |
| iurygregory | need to create a bug or something? | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | I'm looking forward to hack with you during the midcycle, and hope everyone will have fun | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | have a nice day | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 16:00:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-09-01-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-09-01-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-09-01-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| sballe | o/ | 16:00 |
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| mugsie | so, whos here? | 16:02 |
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| KunalGandhi | o/ | 16:02 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:02 |
| elarson | o/ | 16:02 |
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| bharathm | o/ | 16:02 |
| mugsie | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 16:02:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/kosmos-specs | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | the kosmos-specs repo is now in gerrit | 16:03 |
| johnsom | +1 | 16:03 |
| mugsie | so all future specs must be done there | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | KunalGandhi: that will include the arch stuff | 16:04 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. ok i will add it there.. | 16:04 |
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| mugsie | you will need to write an RST doc now - it will not pass gate currently | 16:04 |
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| mugsie | for the stuff we have - the basic python code can't merge as is. we need to start defining what services we will have, and start building them up with oslo.messaging / oslo.db / and pecan | 16:06 |
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| mugsie | #topic Architechture Proposal | 16:06 |
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| mugsie | has anyone had a chance to look at the pull request? | 16:06 |
| sballe | o/ | 16:06 |
| mugsie | I am just catching up after 2 weeks of travel around the US | 16:07 |
| KunalGandhi | i have actually created a code review | 16:07 |
| KunalGandhi | for the source files | 16:07 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: yeah, thats what can't merge | 16:07 |
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| mugsie | we need to know what services exist, and define the RPC interfaces / wsgi api framework etc | 16:08 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie ... i created it not for merge.. the code represents sort of the arch in soruce filess.. it is jsut to get a feedback on the overall modules | 16:08 |
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| mugsie | OK... | 16:09 |
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| mugsie | I can leave code reviews on that then | 16:10 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie ... once we have feedback on that and an agreement on the arch, we start building it with existing libraries | 16:10 |
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| mugsie | it would be great to get a list of services as well, and what they are responsible for doing | 16:10 |
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| mugsie | anyone else had a chance to look? | 16:11 |
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| KunalGandhi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218709/ | 16:11 |
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| mugsie | OK, can everyone please spend some time (30 mins or so) this week looking at this? | 16:12 |
| mugsie | we need to get traction | 16:12 |
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| johnsom | Nope, but I will take a look | 16:12 |
| mugsie | cool | 16:12 |
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| mugsie | dougwig: you too :) | 16:12 |
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| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 16:13 |
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| mugsie | any off agenda items? | 16:13 |
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| mugsie | as a note our talk for Tokyo got rejected :( | 16:13 |
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| KunalGandhi | @mugsie ... yeah saw that :( | 16:13 |
| johnsom | I would like to poke dougwig on the openstackgerrit integration with the channel. | 16:13 |
| johnsom | I think he was working on that | 16:14 |
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| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. i had one question | 16:14 |
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| mugsie | johnsom: i think we have it .... | 16:14 |
| johnsom | mugsie My load balancing talk got accepted, so maybe I can make a reference there. | 16:14 |
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| mugsie | just 0 patches :) | 16:14 |
| KunalGandhi | when can we start getting to implement some of these GSLB features and what should our starting point be | 16:14 |
| mugsie | johnsom: cool - that would be goos | 16:14 |
| mugsie | good* | 16:14 |
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| mugsie | KunalGandhi: when we get a basic service arch I thinkl | 16:15 |
| johnsom | Ah, we do. Some how I missed kunalgandhi's check in | 16:15 |
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| mugsie | and starting point - using lbaas v2 + desingate to do fail over between 2 regions | 16:15 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. ok.. | 16:15 |
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| KunalGandhi | so it would be great if all of you could provide feedback on the code reivew | 16:16 |
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| mugsie | but if people have other ideas, please speak up | 16:16 |
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| KunalGandhi | the code review is just starter source files and modules.. | 16:16 |
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| mugsie | OK, anything else to discuss? | 16:17 |
| KunalGandhi | also, i am assuming that everyone in the meeting will have bandwidth to contribute code wise | 16:17 |
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| mugsie | +1 | 16:17 |
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| mugsie | OK, unless there is anything else? | 16:18 |
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| KunalGandhi | ok cool.. so the action item is provide feedback on the code review | 16:18 |
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| mugsie | #action all - provide feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218709/ | 16:18 |
| mugsie | yup | 16:18 |
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| mugsie | going once | 16:19 |
| mugsie | twice | 16:19 |
| mugsie | gone! | 16:19 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 16:19:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-09-01-16.02.html | 16:19 |
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| mugsie | see ya'll in #openstack-gslb | 16:19 |
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| abhi__ | Hello everyone, i am new to open stack | 21:08 |
| abhi__ | could someone help me where to start | 21:08 |
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| abhi__ | hello guys could someone guide me where to start with open stack | 22:26 |
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| Rockyg | abhi__, you would probably want to go hang out at #openstack as opposed to one of the meeting rooms | 22:35 |
| Rockyg | Or, your favorite project under openstack, #openstack-{projectname} | 22:36 |
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