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crinkle | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 15:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
crinkle | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20150811 | 15:00 |
crinkle | anyone here? | 15:00 |
iurygregory | me o/ | 15:00 |
richm | hello | 15:00 |
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spredzy | morning | 15:01 |
crinkle | #topic Review past action items | 15:01 |
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xarses | o/ | 15:01 |
crinkle | sbadia launch a initial msync on all our modules - sbadia ? | 15:01 |
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sbadia | hi! | 15:01 |
mdorman | o/ | 15:02 |
sbadia | sorry for the delay | 15:02 |
bogdando | \o | 15:02 |
sbadia | crinkle: still in progress | 15:02 |
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angdraug | o/ | 15:02 |
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mattymo_ | hi | 15:02 |
sbadia | but, I'll finish the clean just after the meeting | 15:02 |
sbadia | I'll send an email after on the ml | 15:02 |
mfisch | hey | 15:02 |
crinkle | People to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190361/ and eventually give feedback -1/+1 <-- looks like we need some more reviews | 15:02 |
iurygregory | well about the spec | 15:03 |
iurygregory | i've recived only 2 +1 and onde +2 | 15:03 |
iurygregory | one* | 15:03 |
mfisch | I will look again today | 15:03 |
iurygregory | o/ thanks mfisch | 15:03 |
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crinkle | #topic Liberty status | 15:04 |
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crinkle | #link blockers https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-liberty-blocker | 15:04 |
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crinkle | EmilienM's been looking into this, I'm sure he would appreciate help debugging those unknown failures | 15:04 |
crinkle | #topic CI | 15:05 |
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crinkle | paul and emilien are working on setting up integration tests | 15:06 |
crinkle | #link integration https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/puppet-openstack-integration+status:open,n,z | 15:07 |
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crinkle | we're also trying to figure out how to gate that repo with a couple of "canary" beaker tests from the modules it affects | 15:07 |
spredzy | crinkle, could you define "canary" please ? | 15:07 |
iurygregory | ++ | 15:08 |
crinkle | spredzy: we want to be able to test a module with the changes made to the integration repo to see if the changes will break the gate for the other modules | 15:08 |
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crinkle | we'd use "canary" modules in the sense that we don't feel like we need to test every single module, just a couple would be good indicators of whether things will break | 15:09 |
spredzy | crinkle, ok thanks for the explanation. It makes sense | 15:09 |
crinkle | (comes from https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/canary_in_a_coal_mine) | 15:10 |
iurygregory | nice reference | 15:11 |
iurygregory | ^^ | 15:11 |
* spredzy thinks poor canaries | 15:11 | |
crinkle | we also need to start defining a few scenarios to test against, so operator input there would be very helpful | 15:11 |
mfisch | how complete would those be? | 15:12 |
crinkle | that's been started in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207070/ but is not in its final form | 15:12 |
crinkle | mfisch: not sure | 15:12 |
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crinkle | mfisch: do you have something in mind? | 15:13 |
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mfisch | crinkle: well you just mean small openstack scenarios? | 15:14 |
mfisch | like a control node and compute node? that kind of thing? | 15:14 |
crinkle | mfisch: probably yes, I don't think we'd be able to handle massive deployments | 15:14 |
mfisch | even a single node setup would work | 15:15 |
mfisch | we do a 5 node here for our testing | 15:15 |
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crinkle | awesome | 15:17 |
crinkle | at some point later we can maybe start an etherpad to brainstorm what kinds of deployments to test | 15:17 |
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mfisch | sure | 15:17 |
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mfisch | we should start small | 15:17 |
crinkle | anything else on CI? | 15:17 |
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crinkle | #topic Keystone v3 - always include "::domain" | 15:19 |
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crinkle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071433.html | 15:19 |
crinkle | richm: ? | 15:19 |
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richm | So how does everyone feel about having to add "::domainname" to every single Keystone domain scoped resource everywhere? | 15:19 |
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richm | e.g. every user has to be specified as "username::domainname" | 15:20 |
angdraug | mattymo_: you've been working on v3 related patches recently, do you have a strong opinion? | 15:21 |
angdraug | would it make your life more difficult? | 15:21 |
richm | From a purely developer standpoint - I think it's great - makes naming domain scoped resources completely unambiguous | 15:21 |
mfisch | even if its foo::default? | 15:22 |
mattymo_ | I'd like to see it flexible and not have to specify domain in every single ref imaginable | 15:22 |
saneax | o/ | 15:22 |
richm | mfisch: yes, and it probably will be | 15:22 |
mfisch | not sure we have any plans to use any v3 stuff here | 15:22 |
mattymo_ | it only applies to multidomain scenarios which are currently quite rare | 15:22 |
richm | that is, the first pass would be to just do s/name/name::Default/g | 15:22 |
mfisch | so Im hoping for a simple path | 15:22 |
richm | The current solution is this | 15:22 |
richm | - use the name without the ::domain part if it is unique throughout all domains | 15:23 |
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bogdando | lets follow KISS here | 15:23 |
richm | - if there is more than one resource with the same name, if there is one in the default domain, use it without a domain e.g. "admin" | 15:24 |
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richm | - otherwise, a non-unique name not in the default domain must use "::domainname" | 15:24 |
richm | bogdando: The KISS approach varies depending on your perspective | 15:24 |
richm | bogdando: From a puppet/ruby dev standpoint, requiring "::domainname" everywhere is a very KISS approach | 15:25 |
bogdando | richm, I mentioned provider's perspective. And I agree with your comment. Less logic in provider - the better is | 15:25 |
richm | however, from an operator standpoint, if I have a user named "glance", there is obviously only going to be one user named "glance", no matter which domain it is in | 15:26 |
richm | so if I refer to a user named "glance", the code should just "do the right thing" and find and use the one and only user named "glance" | 15:26 |
mfisch | and some of us dont want to deal with domains at all | 15:26 |
richm | mfisch: at least, for the foreseeable future | 15:27 |
bogdando | this reminds FQDN or shortname | 15:27 |
angdraug | I'm still confused about the ::default case, why s/name/name::Default/g if "if there is one in the default domain, use it without a domain"? | 15:27 |
richm | angdraug: I guess I am confusing things | 15:27 |
bogdando | if there good examples for node names, we could follow | 15:27 |
richm | angdraug: When I said that, I meant that if we decide to require the domain name everywhere, the easiest thing to do would be to just stick "::Default" on the name of every resource | 15:28 |
bogdando | other modules I mean, how they solve FQDN vs shortname? | 15:28 |
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richm | bogdando: yes, this is similar to the problem of host naming + aliases | 15:29 |
bogdando | use_fqdn could be a good way to treat names. So, probably use_domains could help us | 15:29 |
richm | bogdando: not sure what you mean - what is 'use_fqdn'? | 15:29 |
bogdando | which switch the provider's logic | 15:29 |
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bogdando | When use_domains=true, foo::default would be considered as just a name, without domain | 15:30 |
bogdando | sorry, typo. When use_domains=false | 15:30 |
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richm | bogdando: is that a facter fact? | 15:30 |
bogdando | I think it is not, just a class (provider?) parameter | 15:31 |
richm | or are you proposing a new resource parameter? | 15:31 |
bogdando | richm, yes | 15:31 |
bogdando | new param | 15:31 |
richm | bogdando: I think that would be very difficult to do - e.g. if you use use_domains=true in keystone_user, you would need to use it in keystone_user_role | 15:32 |
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richm | a global fact I think would be the way to go - either all resources are domain aware, or none of them are | 15:33 |
richm | and you will need this logic at the puppet level as well | 15:33 |
bogdando | the UX would depend on defaults | 15:33 |
Hunner | Any time yop need to access something in the catalog (like use_domains) from a provider, things get ugly | 15:33 |
Hunner | Because self.instances can't really read facts, for example | 15:34 |
richm | ok | 15:34 |
richm | the way it works now, if there is the "::" character in a resource name, it means "use domains" | 15:34 |
richm | "::" string, not character | 15:35 |
bogdando | makes sense | 15:35 |
richm | mfisch: Am I correct in assuming you prefer the way it is now, where domains are not required? | 15:35 |
mfisch | well perfer it out of laziness | 15:36 |
mfisch | prefer it | 15:36 |
richm | ack | 15:36 |
bogdando | so we should either "require the domain name everywhere" or benefit users who "dont want to deal with domains at all". Cannot do both | 15:36 |
richm | bogdando: correct | 15:36 |
saneax | 2 cents, domains are realty in largeer deployments | 15:36 |
saneax | larger* | 15:37 |
richm | yes - we have to support domains, one way or another | 15:37 |
bogdando | use_domains could, but seems not a KISS at all... | 15:37 |
richm | gildub is the one who is running into problems with domain support in keystone_trusts and keystone_groups | 15:37 |
richm | Unfortunately he is East Australia and could not attend this meeting | 15:38 |
richm | I think he has made his case in the email thread mentioned above and in the etherpad | 15:39 |
bogdando | as we cannot do both, we have no choice actually, but benefit the most part of users who may want not have domains | 15:40 |
richm | bogdando: I don't know if our sample size is big enough to know if we have heard from "the most part of users" | 15:40 |
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bogdando | I don't mean the most of users don't want domains | 15:41 |
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angdraug | richm: what about adding openstack-operators to that thread, would that yield a bigger sample of users? | 15:41 |
richm | angdraug: +1 | 15:41 |
bogdando | but we should not reject them | 15:41 |
richm | as it is now, gildub doesn't really want to proceed until this issue is solved, so this is holding up key v3 features such as trusts and federation | 15:42 |
bogdando | but I personally would prefer use_domains, to address both cases | 15:42 |
crinkle | okay, so continue this on the mailing list? | 15:43 |
richm | crinkle: ok | 15:43 |
crinkle | #action continue keystone domains discussion on operators ml | 15:43 |
crinkle | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage | 15:43 |
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angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/198695 | 15:44 |
crinkle | some patches have been submitted on the agenda etherpad to review | 15:44 |
mattymo_ | can we discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207890/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207873/ ? | 15:44 |
angdraug | I'd like to register a concern about 198695 first | 15:44 |
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angdraug | it was a month between the patch being submitted and it getting a -1 | 15:45 |
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angdraug | the -1 was submitted yesterday so it's too early to tell if it's in disagreement or if there will be a consensus about it | 15:45 |
angdraug | but the comment is about the general principle of the commit, not code specifics | 15:46 |
alex_didenko | as for https://review.openstack.org/198695 - I've added a comment there like 20 minutes ago | 15:46 |
angdraug | which means it shouldn't have taken a month to -1 it | 15:46 |
angdraug | I said my piece, if there's no objections lets move on to mattymo_'s patches | 15:46 |
crinkle | angdraug: thanks for bringing it up, we can continue discussing it on the patch | 15:48 |
sgolovatiuk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208462/ was rebased also, it had EmilienM +2 though | 15:48 |
crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207890/ | 15:49 |
crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207873/ | 15:49 |
crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208462/ | 15:49 |
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angdraug | mattymo_: what's changed about your keystone patches since last week? | 15:50 |
mattymo_ | What's tough here is how 207890+207873 should be tested.... 207890 is failing because adding "depends-on" doesn't actually ensure that code gets used | 15:50 |
mattymo_ | the openstackclient commands fail when you use v2.0 api in auth_url... as I reported. so we need to consider if 207873 has enough test coverage to get merged and we can finish fixing keystone | 15:50 |
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mattymo_ | the test case seems to be adequate, but maybe too crude in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207890/8/spec/acceptance/basic_keystone_spec.rb | 15:51 |
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mattymo_ | deploy normally, then add /root/openrc, apply again, add env vars, apply yet again | 15:51 |
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crinkle | mattymo_: the depends-on should work here | 15:51 |
mattymo_ | definitely covers regressions | 15:51 |
mattymo_ | crinkle, is it possible for you to deploy that beaker scenario and see physically if the patch to openstacklib is there? | 15:52 |
mattymo_ | I've spent the entire day trying to get a beaker deployment up | 15:52 |
crinkle | mattymo_: we can't use depends-on for local testing | 15:53 |
angdraug | is there a dev-usable canned beaker env anywhere? | 15:54 |
mattymo_ | ok so we have a chicken and egg scenario? | 15:54 |
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mattymo_ | depends-on should work, but we can't prove it | 15:54 |
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bogdando | do you mean gerrit dependency or just a commit message? | 15:55 |
angdraug | commit message | 15:55 |
mattymo_ | bogdando, dependency so that puppet-keystone uses my puppet-openstacklib patchset | 15:55 |
crinkle | mattymo_: I can investigate after the meeting | 15:55 |
bogdando | understood | 15:55 |
crinkle | we specifically set it up to work | 15:55 |
bogdando | seems like a major dev issue | 15:56 |
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crinkle | to emulate it locally you can modify http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/puppet-keystone/tree/spec/spec_helper_acceptance.rb#n48 to copy the module from a local directory | 15:56 |
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crinkle | but we don't have a good solution to make beaker just do it based on the commit message | 15:56 |
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mattymo_ | as a short term workaround, we could push forward and consider my openstacklib patch first | 15:57 |
angdraug | 3 minutes left | 15:57 |
mattymo_ | but if someone wants to discuss another bug, go ahead | 15:57 |
angdraug | action? | 15:57 |
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angdraug | or back to ML? | 15:57 |
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crinkle | #action crinkle to check on depends-on functionality in CI | 15:58 |
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crinkle | I can do that quickly and if we find out it really doesn't work we can test the patch locally with my workaround ^ and go from there | 15:59 |
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crinkle | any other patches? | 15:59 |
crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:fix_fixtures,n,z | 15:59 |
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iurygregory | if you have time https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190361/ | 15:59 |
iurygregory | ^^ | 15:59 |
crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/202574 | 15:59 |
bogdando | just please make more reviews, nothing more to add from my side, I'm not a patch author | 15:59 |
crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:inifile_proxy_provider,n,z | 15:59 |
crinkle | okay, thanks everybody | 16:00 |
crinkle | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 16:00:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-08-11-15.00.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-08-11-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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mugsie | hey | 16:01 |
johnsom | Hi there | 16:02 |
KunalGandhi | hello | 16:02 |
xgerman | hi | 16:02 |
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mugsie | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 16:03:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:03 |
johnsom | o/ | 16:03 |
mugsie | may as well start using the right name :) | 16:03 |
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mugsie | agenda has not changed since last week - my bad | 16:04 |
mugsie | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GSLB | 16:04 |
mugsie | #topic Polaris | 16:04 |
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mugsie | #link https://github.com/polaris-gslb/polaris-description | 16:04 |
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mugsie | did anyone get a chance to look at ^ | 16:04 |
mugsie | #link https://github.com/polaris-gslb/polaris-core | 16:05 |
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mugsie | sorry, they actually opensourced the code base | 16:05 |
johnsom | Sadly, no, I haven't had a chance to peak at it | 16:05 |
mugsie | I thouight the main point of interest is the status checking | 16:05 |
mugsie | as we will have to integrate the rest into OpenStack | 16:06 |
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mugsie | I unfortunatly haven't had a chance to look either | 16:06 |
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mugsie | can we all agree to look at this before next week? | 16:06 |
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johnsom | Yes | 16:06 |
KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. yes | 16:06 |
mugsie | OK. | 16:07 |
mugsie | #topic Any Other Business | 16:07 |
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mugsie | anyone have any off agenda topic to discuss? | 16:07 |
KunalGandhi | i wanted to bring up a discussion on the roadmap of kosmos | 16:07 |
johnsom | Are you working on gerrit setup? | 16:07 |
mugsie | johnsom: yeah, dougwig has a review up to get it all created | 16:07 |
mugsie | we may need to poke -infra | 16:08 |
johnsom | Ok, I will hunt for it and give my lowly +1 | 16:08 |
dougwig | partially here. got pulled into a last minute call. | 16:08 |
mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201658/ | 16:08 |
mugsie | dougwig: np - i think this will be a quick meeting | 16:08 |
johnsom | Thanks | 16:08 |
mugsie | KunalGandhi: sure - what are you thinking of for the roadmap? | 16:09 |
mugsie | time lines etc? | 16:09 |
mugsie | or features? | 16:09 |
KunalGandhi | yes.. we sort of wanted to get a MVP running in the next couple of months | 16:09 |
mugsie | yup | 16:09 |
KunalGandhi | hopefully something going to demo for the summit | 16:09 |
KunalGandhi | so maybe targeting that in mind, features, technical discussion, arch review, etc. | 16:10 |
mugsie | I think next step should be a reference arch - very high level. we can then break up the work into the different services | 16:10 |
KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. i agree.. an arch review would be required.. | 16:10 |
KunalGandhi | next.. | 16:10 |
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KunalGandhi | so i can take up the task to build a high level arch diagram.. | 16:11 |
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mugsie | cool | 16:11 |
mugsie | #action KunalGandhi to build high level arch diagram | 16:11 |
mugsie | we dont have to wait until this meeting to do the inital review either - sent it to the list and the IRC room whenever you have something | 16:12 |
KunalGandhi | can we also get a list of features that we need for the MVP.. | 16:12 |
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KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. ok i will do that | 16:12 |
mugsie | #link etherpad.openstack.org/p/kosmos-mvp-feature-list | 16:13 |
mugsie | list them out ^ | 16:13 |
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KunalGandhi | ok cool | 16:13 |
mugsie | and we can circle back over the next week | 16:14 |
KunalGandhi | ok | 16:14 |
mugsie | any other off agenda topics? | 16:14 |
mugsie | OK | 16:15 |
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mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:16 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-08-11-16.03.html | 16:16 |
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mugsie | thanks all o/ | 16:16 |
xgerman | thanks | 16:16 |
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