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| ativelkov | Anyone for the artifacts sub meeting? | 14:01 |
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| ativelkov | Courtesy artifacts-meeting reminder: nikhil, ativelkov, mfedosin, sigmavirus24, flaper87, kragniz, dshakhray | 14:01 |
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| ativelkov | #startmeeting glance-artifacts | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 10 14:03:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance-artifacts)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts' | 14:03 |
| ativelkov | anybody? :) | 14:03 |
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| ativelkov | ok, seems like no one here. I've been away on the previous week, and mike is away for both prev and this weeks. So, seems like not much attendance at all | 14:05 |
| bunting | nope | 14:06 |
| ativelkov | Will, then I'll just log the open items we have for artifacts this week, for those who may be interested in inspecting minutes :P | 14:06 |
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| ativelkov | #info we have a number of bugs reported related to various artifact list filtering queries | 14:07 |
| ativelkov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1479700 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479700 in Glance "Artifacts: filtering by dictionary key is not working" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Alexander Tivelkov (ativelkov) | 14:07 |
| bunting | Where are the minutes for this meeting? | 14:07 |
| ativelkov | bunting: as soon as we end the meeting, they will be created automatically at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | agenda is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1480392 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1480392 in Glance "Artifacts: filtering by range is not working as expected" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Alexander Tivelkov (ativelkov) | 14:08 |
| bunting | ativelkov: cheers | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1480393 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1480393 in Glance "Artifacts: filtering by version ignores operators other than equality" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Alexander Tivelkov (ativelkov) | 14:09 |
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| ativelkov | so, these issues were found when implementing a glance artifact type for murano. They have to be fixed in nearest time, I am working on that | 14:12 |
| ativelkov | #info Also, the conversion of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-v3-api into a new revision of v3 API spec is in progress. If no comments are left to the etherpad, it will be filed as a spec later this week | 14:13 |
| ativelkov | Any questions to me? :) | 14:13 |
| ativelkov | well, then thanks for lurking and/or reading the meeting minutes :) Hope to get more attendance next week when everybody returns. | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 10 14:15:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts/2015/glance_artifacts.2015-08-10-14.03.html | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts/2015/glance_artifacts.2015-08-10-14.03.txt | 14:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts/2015/glance_artifacts.2015-08-10-14.03.log.html | 14:15 |
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| apuimedo | #startmeeting kuryr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 10 15:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 15:00 |
| apuimedo | Hi! | 15:00 |
| banix | o/ | 15:00 |
| gsagie_ | Hello everyone | 15:00 |
| apuimedo | Welcome to the second meeting of Kuryr! | 15:00 |
| apuimedo | So, who's here for the meeting? | 15:00 |
| tfukushima | I'm here. | 15:00 |
| gsagie_ | same | 15:00 |
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| gsagie_ | diga? | 15:01 |
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| irenab | hey | 15:01 |
| apuimedo | #info: banix, gsagie, tfukushima, irenab and apuimedo in the meeting | 15:02 |
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| apuimedo | It's probably a bit late for diga | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | Alright, let's get started | 15:03 |
| apuimedo | According to the agenda today (thanks banix for updating it) | 15:03 |
| irenab | apuimedo: link? | 15:03 |
| banix | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kuryr#Agenda | 15:03 |
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| apuimedo | #info first topic is #vif-binding-unbinding | 15:04 |
| gsagie_ | we talked with diga earlier and he said he will put an etherpad with the TODO's on that front | 15:04 |
| apuimedo | diga, gsagie_ and tfukushima are working on this afaik | 15:04 |
| apuimedo | very well | 15:04 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo: how do you see this going forward? has anyone verified that the current vif-binding mechanism is good enough for our use case? | 15:05 |
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| gsagie_ | or its something that still needs to be verified? | 15:05 |
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| gsagie_ | Hello daneyon | 15:05 |
| gsagie_ | welcome | 15:05 |
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| apuimedo | The base idea is that Kuryr will use pyroute2 to create the veth pair, will create the namespace, will put one end to the namespace and then hand over the other veth to the vif-binding infrastructure (port-type dependant) | 15:05 |
| banix | gsagie: for OVS that i have tried, it works fine | 15:06 |
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| apuimedo | for midonet getting the vif device name, namespace and port uuid is enough too, like for OVS | 15:06 |
| gsagie_ | but who will forward the API call ? | 15:07 |
| apuimedo | which API call? | 15:07 |
| gsagie_ | Kuryr will be located at each compute node? | 15:07 |
| apuimedo | yes | 15:07 |
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| apuimedo | it is a requirement of libnetwork | 15:07 |
| apuimedo | it is a local thing | 15:08 |
| gsagie_ | ok so each one at each compute node only gets the local port creations API calls? from the remote driver | 15:08 |
| apuimedo | exactly | 15:08 |
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| gsagie_ | and the vif_binding code is something that will be in the altered OVS agent code | 15:09 |
| gsagie_ | container | 15:09 |
| apuimedo | exactly | 15:09 |
| gsagie_ | ok | 15:09 |
| gsagie_ | understood :) | 15:09 |
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| banix | how about having kuryr runing on every node and being the agent essentially as well? | 15:09 |
| apuimedo | kuryr can be configured to support and have binding code for different port types on different compute nodes | 15:09 |
| banix | are there any issues, in doing that? | 15:10 |
| apuimedo | banix: it is as you say | 15:10 |
| banix | got it. thx. misunderstood at first. | 15:10 |
| apuimedo | if the port type supports it | 15:10 |
| gsagie_ | banix: its basically the agent, but its running as a container | 15:10 |
| gsagie_ | on the compute node | 15:10 |
| irenab | apuimedo: so its similar to workflow of nova-docker to some extent | 15:10 |
| banix | yup | 15:10 |
| apuimedo | irenab: indeed | 15:10 |
| apuimedo | for example, AFAIK, OVS will still have the agent seeing the port created with the uuid | 15:11 |
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| apuimedo | and then the agent will request info for setting up the flows | 15:11 |
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| apuimedo | now, I expect that in Kuryr deployements | 15:11 |
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| apuimedo | whoever packages the kuryr:ovs, will include both vif-binding and the agent in the deployment in containers with dependency with compose or something | 15:12 |
| apuimedo | (if you use something like Kolla) | 15:12 |
| apuimedo | (I may have triggered sdake by mentioning kolla :P ) | 15:12 |
| apuimedo | tfukushima: gsagie_: please sync up with diga to get the etherpad started for this | 15:13 |
| tfukushima | Ok. | 15:13 |
| apuimedo | and let's see if we can have a meaningful draft for next Monday | 15:13 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo : ok, i will ping him tommorow so we can start sharing tasks on it | 15:13 |
| apuimedo | one thing I wanted to point out | 15:13 |
| apuimedo | is that you will probably have noticed that I said that Kuryr will plug one veth to the container | 15:14 |
| apuimedo | however, if and when we support containers on VMs (like ovn has), that part will need to be pluggable as well | 15:14 |
| apuimedo | I expect to tackle that issue farther down the line though | 15:15 |
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| irenab | apuimedo: one veth per port? | 15:15 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo : that was actually my next question, | 15:15 |
| daneyon | apuimedo can you expand on "support containers on VMs". | 15:15 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo : how is that model where the agent (Kuryr) on the compute node interacts with container managment systems which use nested VM's | 15:15 |
| apuimedo | irenab: that is somethng that we will probably have to revisit | 15:15 |
| daneyon | will kuryr be unable to support containers in vm's out the gate? | 15:16 |
| banix | apuimedo: “ support containers on VMs” cis relevant to Magnum as well | 15:16 |
| apuimedo | as in that model there would probably not be one veth per port | 15:16 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: well, the first milestone is only for containers running on the same OS as where Kuryr and the network agent run | 15:17 |
| daneyon | apuimedo ok | 15:17 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo : but that is no longer in Neutron scope, for example in OVN we can configure it since OVN has a specific solution for this, but other plugins/mech drivers might not have that support | 15:17 |
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| apuimedo | but the goal is to be able to facilitat the task for OVN/midonet etc when they can multiplex/demultiplex (with a small agent on the VM) to provide networking for containers running on a VM | 15:18 |
| daneyon | and what if one way of deploying is running those agents in the VM and coordinating between the host and vm agents? | 15:18 |
| gsagie_ | diga is coming | 15:18 |
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| banix | I think some of these requires changes to Neutron that we need to follow and those interested contribute to. I put a couple of links in the next section of Agenda. | 15:18 |
| diga | Hi Guys | 15:18 |
| gsagie_ | hi diga! | 15:18 |
| diga | sorry got delay | 15:18 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: yes, a multi agent solution is the base assumption | 15:19 |
| apuimedo | diga: thanks for joining so late | 15:19 |
| diga | :) | 15:19 |
| apuimedo | #info first milestone: networking for containers running on the same OS scope | 15:19 |
| gsagie_ | daneyon: What is magnum plan for nested VM's, you are running an agent per VM? | 15:20 |
| apuimedo | #action (mid term) spot Neutron changes needed for VM container networking | 15:20 |
| gsagie_ | also, do we need in this case a local (to the VM) remote driver to catch the API calls? | 15:20 |
| apuimedo | gsagie_: currently neutron provides a network to the VMs and then the VMs set up overlay networking with flannel on vxlan mode | 15:21 |
| apuimedo | I would like us to be able to provide that once we can accomodate a solution like ovn's | 15:21 |
| apuimedo | (and get rid of the double overlay) | 15:21 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo: yes | 15:21 |
| daneyon | gsagie_ the libnet remote driver runs in the vm and manages the container net between the vm's running containers/pods. other than requesting a neutron net to join, the container net does nothing with the cloud net. | 15:21 |
| gsagie_ | sounds good | 15:21 |
| apuimedo | #action diga to create the vif-binging-unbinding etherpad | 15:22 |
| diga | yes apuimedo | 15:23 |
| apuimedo | ;-) | 15:23 |
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| apuimedo | daneyon: can you elaborate on "requesting a neutron net to join"? | 15:23 |
| gsagie_ | daneyon, apuimedo : why i am asking, is because basically now that remote driver which sits in the VM need to call Neutron API and understand also the VM port in neutron (to support cases like OVN) <-- hope its clear, so now its syncing between the compute host Kuryr and the one in the VM | 15:23 |
| gsagie_ | unless i miss something, but we can tackle this when we get there | 15:23 |
| daneyon | when you create a bay (i.e. a cluster of docker/k8s vm's) you specify the uuid of the neutron net to attach the bay nodes to | 15:24 |
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| daneyon | same thing as specifying a neutron net id when instantiating a nova vm from the cli | 15:24 |
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| apuimedo | so each bay will consist of a single /16 network? | 15:24 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: (/16 neutron network) | 15:25 |
| gsagie_ | daneyon: so if i understand correctly, you add the VM that host the containers to all the possible networks (depending on the nested containers clusters) | 15:25 |
| apuimedo | gsagie_: I don't think so, a VM belongs to a single bay, so a VM only needs to be on a single network | 15:26 |
| daneyon | gsagie_ understood | 15:26 |
| apuimedo | and provide as much ports on that network as pods has | 15:26 |
| gsagie_ | ahh ok, that make sense | 15:26 |
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| banix | well daneyon is that the case? one bay, one network? | 15:27 |
| daneyon | gsagie_ what about specifying some type of container port extension? | 15:27 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: container port extension? | 15:27 |
| gsagie_ | daneyon: thats actually work that we are doing in OVN, you have a parent port | 15:27 |
| daneyon | magnum supports adding bay nodes to a single network. | 15:27 |
| gsagie_ | daneyon: so the container port has as parent port the VM network, we use Neutron binding_profile for that, but its hopefully going to be part of Neutron's API in the future | 15:28 |
| banix | there is a link on the agenda to spec for trunk ports | 15:28 |
| gsagie_ | the VM port (not network) | 15:28 |
| banix | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/TrunkPort | 15:28 |
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| gsagie_ | daneyon: and with that you can attach the nested containers to different Neutron networks | 15:29 |
| daneyon | gsagie_ ok, thx for the info | 15:29 |
| gsagie_ | while the VM is still in one network (which will probably be the containers orchestration managment network) | 15:29 |
| banix | it doesn’t seem close to be complete but some patches are expected to be up for review soon | 15:29 |
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| gsagie_ | banix: yeah, thanks for the link, the current solution in OVN is to use the binding_profile for that until the API is finilized | 15:30 |
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| gsagie_ | so that can be used as a temporary solution as well | 15:30 |
| yalie | banix: will it released in L cycle? | 15:30 |
| daneyon | banix yes each bay is constructed from a baymodel (essentially a template of the bay). When you spawn a may from the baymodel, all the nodes in the bay are on the same neutron net. | 15:30 |
| banix | yalie: considering the state as of now, i do not think so | 15:30 |
| yalie | banix: ths | 15:31 |
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| banix | daneyon: got it. thx | 15:32 |
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| apuimedo | gsagie_: please keep in mind the VM container trunking when drafting the vif-binding-unbinding with diga and tfukushima | 15:32 |
| banix | so we have two use cases to consider for future work: OVN and Magnum | 15:32 |
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| apuimedo | to see if it will pose problems for that second milestone | 15:33 |
| gsagie_ | apuimedo : sure will do | 15:33 |
| apuimedo | ;-) | 15:33 |
| apuimedo | thanks | 15:33 |
| irenab | apuimedo: YAGNI? :-) | 15:33 |
| apuimedo | yagni? | 15:33 |
| irenab | lets get to the first milestone :-) | 15:34 |
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| apuimedo | irenab: I just want to make vif-binding-unbinding as minimal as possible | 15:34 |
| irenab | apuimedo: +1 | 15:35 |
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| apuimedo | for the first milestone | 15:35 |
| gsagie_ | yes, and probably as little intrusive as possible to the plugins | 15:35 |
| apuimedo | and if it is cheap to do, without needing to change that part for the following milestone | 15:35 |
| apuimedo | that's right | 15:35 |
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| apuimedo | alright, let's move on | 15:35 |
| apuimedo | and keep this discussion on the etherpad and the ML | 15:35 |
| apuimedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kuryr-configuration | 15:36 |
| apuimedo | banix created the etherpad for configuration | 15:36 |
| banix | this is essentially just a place to discuss. nothing substantial there yet | 15:36 |
| banix | please update and note your name so we can follow up | 15:37 |
| apuimedo | and rightly spotted the issue, two kinds of configuration | 15:37 |
| apuimedo | docker side and neutron side | 15:37 |
| apuimedo | whether we keep one thing on its respective side | 15:37 |
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| apuimedo | or we have it together | 15:38 |
| tfukushima | What would be the Docker configuration? I can imagine the port number could be one. | 15:38 |
| apuimedo | a second point, whether we want it in /etc/kuryr, env or docker libkv | 15:38 |
| apuimedo | tfukushima: that is the minimal config indeed | 15:39 |
| apuimedo | if to use a socket | 15:39 |
| banix | tfukushima: yes that’s teh main one | 15:39 |
| apuimedo | *socket file | 15:39 |
| apuimedo | and if not, which port to listen to | 15:39 |
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| irenab | apuimedo: REST end point? | 15:40 |
| apuimedo | banix: let's list the config options in that file | 15:40 |
| banix | apuimedo: sure | 15:40 |
| apuimedo | irenab: we must implement all the REST endpoints that the plugin interface determines | 15:40 |
| apuimedo | tfukushima: right? | 15:40 |
| tfukushima | yes. | 15:41 |
| banix | considering how libnetwork plugins are organized, i think these can be all specified in one place | 15:41 |
| irenab | ok | 15:41 |
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| banix | at least for the things we have in mind right now; may be there will be others that require docker | 15:41 |
| apuimedo | my initial position is that it would be best if we could keep all the config together | 15:42 |
| apuimedo | tfukushima: how hard would it be to read this info from whichever kv store Docker uses? | 15:42 |
| banix | let us put all possible options we can thing of on teh etherpad and make a decision. | 15:42 |
| banix | apuimedo: i agree | 15:42 |
| banix | s/thing/think | 15:43 |
| apuimedo | obviously the easiest way is to have a /etc/kuryr/kuryr.conf | 15:43 |
| diga | +1 | 15:43 |
| apuimedo | that can be overridden by env variables | 15:43 |
| irenab | apuimedo: and this is traditional openstack way | 15:43 |
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| apuimedo | irenab: we are the bridge between two communities though, so I want to consider both options | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | which reminds me | 15:44 |
| banix | i think that’s easiest and make most sense but may be missing something; at the end of the day docker shouldn’t be concerned with one of its plugins configuration | 15:44 |
| irenab | banix: agree | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | #action tfukushima to talk to mrjana in #docker-network about retrieving network extra data from the libnetwork kv store | 15:44 |
| tfukushima | apuimedo: It'd not be so hard to read that info from the key-value store but we need to add the config for that. However, libkv abstracts the backend and we can't know if it's etcd, Consul or ZooKeeper. | 15:44 |
| apuimedo | tfukushima: the multi backend thing is actually what makes me lean towards /etc/kuryr/kuryr.conf | 15:45 |
| apuimedo | good point | 15:45 |
| apuimedo | do we all agree on /etc/kuryr/kuryr.conf? | 15:45 |
| apuimedo | +1 from me | 15:46 |
| irenab | apuimedo: +1 | 15:46 |
| SourabhP | apuimedo: /etc/kuryr/kuryr.conf can have sections such as [default], [neutron], [docker] to hold various pieces of config | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | SourabhP: good point | 15:46 |
| diga | +1 | 15:46 |
| yalie | +1 | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | nice to see you in the meeting as well | 15:46 |
| gsagie_ | yes | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | you too yalie | 15:46 |
| SourabhP | The /etc/kuryr/kuryr.conf is also good to integrate with config management systems such as puppet to deploy kuryr | 15:46 |
| apuimedo | ok then | 15:46 |
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| apuimedo | #info Kuryr will have its info in /etc/kuryr/kuryr.conf | 15:47 |
| apuimedo | #info with sections | 15:47 |
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| apuimedo | about the action point I put above for tfukushima | 15:47 |
| apuimedo | it is so that we are able to retrieve the network name | 15:48 |
| apuimedo | and be able to use it for creating the network in neutron and have user friendly names | 15:48 |
| banix | apuimedo: i saw your comment on review; did not understand but probably best to follow up there | 15:48 |
| apuimedo | banix: irenab didn't get it either | 15:48 |
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| apuimedo | so the fault is mine :P | 15:48 |
| banix | apuimedo: ahhh user friendliness | 15:49 |
| apuimedo | I'll try to put it in a hopefully clearer way | 15:49 |
| banix | cool :) | 15:49 |
| tfukushima | So I'm just wondering names are so essential. Because users interact with "docker network" commands and it provides names to users but not for the remote drivers. | 15:49 |
| irenab | Did we consider kuryr to use DB? Or it was desiced to be stateless? | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | irenab: it will hurt my heart if we have to use a DB | 15:50 |
| irenab | apuimedo: using DB could be hepful to keep network mapings | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | it would be Docker (KV store/DB) -> Kuryr (DB) -> Neutron (DB) | 15:50 |
| apuimedo | I don't like DBs enough to have three layers of them :P | 15:51 |
| banix | apuimedo: i see your point; will discuss on review | 15:51 |
| daneyon | remote drivers need to store info in the k/v store... correct? | 15:51 |
| apuimedo | but if we can't find a good way after talking to docker people | 15:51 |
| apuimedo | we may be forced to | 15:51 |
| irenab | apuimedo: lol, let try to find wayto leverage 2 others | 15:51 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: they should be able to use it, yes | 15:52 |
| banix | yeah we should avoid it at all cost | 15:52 |
| apuimedo | it can be whatever though | 15:52 |
| apuimedo | so probably we should initially restrict which libkv backends we support | 15:52 |
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| apuimedo | as I'm not aware of a libkv like library in Python | 15:52 |
| banix | apuimedo: i think the question irenab asks is the important one, will kuryr be stateless or not | 15:53 |
| daneyon | apuimedo if the libkv backend store adheres to the libkv api, why should it matter? | 15:53 |
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| daneyon | apuimedo i can understand using one of the libkv stores as a reference for the work being done | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: libkv is in Go | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | so we can't use it to store information on etcd | 15:54 |
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| apuimedo | we would have to use an etcd client for that | 15:54 |
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| banix | why do we need a DB at all? to store what? i am sure i am missing something here | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | or is there some interface I'm missing with the remote api? | 15:54 |
| apuimedo | banix: my goal is fully stateless | 15:54 |
| daneyon | so is docker, so what is the problem if libkv is in go? All we would be doing is making api calls. | 15:54 |
| banix | apuimedo: excellent. +1 | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | but if we bump in too many issues, we have to keep the door open | 15:55 |
| banix | sure | 15:55 |
| irenab | I guess we should consider restart/upgare and see how it plays and if kuryr can true stateless | 15:55 |
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| tfukushima | I want to keep Kuryr as simple as possible and thus I want it to be stateless. I think it can be stateless but I'm not sure if there'd be some needs for the stete information.d | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: which is the API calls for remote drivers to ask for storing things into libkv? | 15:55 |
| apuimedo | if there is any need for state it should be in libkv IMO | 15:56 |
| banix | irenab: unless we could sit these out and let docker and Neutron do the work… | 15:56 |
| daneyon | apuimedo i need to look it up. let me find a ref and i'll post it | 15:56 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: thanks | 15:56 |
| daneyon | to the neutron irc channel | 15:56 |
| apuimedo | thanks | 15:56 |
| apuimedo | #info The goal is a stateless daemon | 15:57 |
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| irenab | apuimedo: this may require to store some bits in neutron or try to keep only docker kv? | 15:57 |
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| apuimedo | irenab: hopefully nowhere, if we see the need, in kv, if we are forced to, in neutron db | 15:57 |
| apuimedo | let's try to avoid it | 15:58 |
| daneyon | i don't see how it will be stateless, the driver will need to store info in some backend. the backend can be libkv or have the driver use neutron's db backend | 15:58 |
| apuimedo | the simpler the better | 15:58 |
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| apuimedo | daneyon: which info? the mappings? | 15:58 |
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| irenab | daneyon: networks/endpoints will be entities in neutron, but we miss clean way to map names/ids | 15:59 |
| daneyon | maybe it's just net name/id, info being stored... if that's the case then i guess kuryr will just leverage neutron for that | 15:59 |
| apuimedo | banix: did you get in contact with the Kolla people? I see the blueprint, thanks for that! | 15:59 |
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| daneyon | i need to leave the meeting | 16:00 |
| daneyon | i think we have run out of time | 16:00 |
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| banix | apuimedo: I simply created a blueprint (does it show it is August? :) ) and it is now moved from new to discuss state | 16:00 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: thanks a lot for attending daneyon. It is much appreciated | 16:00 |
| apuimedo | thanks banix | 16:00 |
| gsagie_ | same, gotta go , thanks everyone for the good points | 16:00 |
| apuimedo | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kuryr-docker-plugin | 16:00 |
| gsagie_ | will sync with diga and tfukushima tommorow about the vif-binding | 16:01 |
| apuimedo | #action tfukushima to email the Mailing list with the findings about the kv store and the mappings | 16:01 |
| banix | item abour Magnum already discussed so dont need to cover | 16:01 |
| apuimedo | thanks a lot to everybody for attending! | 16:01 |
| apuimedo | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 10 16:01:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-08-10-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-08-10-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-08-10-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| banix | thans and bye | 16:01 |
| diga | gsagie_: sure | 16:01 |
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| apuimedo | thank you all | 16:01 |
| irenab | thanks | 16:01 |
| tfukushima | Thanks all. | 16:01 |
| apuimedo | keep talking on #openstack-neutron till next Monday | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 10 16:02:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello folks - we are ready for Ironic-Neutron integration meeitng | 16:02 |
| apuimedo | Sukhdev: sorry for the delay ;-) | 16:02 |
| yhvh_ | hihi | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | apuimedo: no worries | 16:02 |
| yushiro | Hi | 16:03 |
| baoli_ | hi | 16:03 |
| carmelo | hi | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: are you here? | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody like to add anything to agenda? | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:04 |
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| jroll | morning Sukhdev | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Ironic mid-cycle is this week - Wednesday to Friday | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll, mitch, and I will be attending | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: good morning | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody like to make any announcement? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | Well, lets dive into the agenda | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Patch reviews | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | yhvh_: thanks for pushing updated patches | 16:06 |
| yhvh_ | np | 16:06 |
| yhvh_ | more to come | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | If you do not mind, I would like to start with - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206163/ | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | did you folks have an opportunity to look at my review comments? | 16:07 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:08 | |
| yhvh_ | yes | 16:08 |
| yhvh_ | not did we will next | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | yhvh_: did the comments make sense? | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | I felt some deviation from the agreed upon design - unless I misunderstood the code snippets | 16:09 |
| yhvh_ | ok they seem simple enough, we will address them asap | 16:09 |
| jroll | so... a more general concern I have. it seems we're going to have much more nova change than I initially thought, including some config options. and we're past non-priority feature freeze for nova. I have a feeling this stuff won't be landing in Liberty. | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: are you serious? | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: can you elaborate, please? | 16:11 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#Dates_overview | 16:12 |
| jroll | we're past the freeze for non-priority features | 16:12 |
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| jroll | personally I had no idea we also had this patch for port groups,e tc | 16:12 |
| jroll | and nova really doesn't like config options past freeze dates, even if we can get the rest in | 16:13 |
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| jroll | we can put up a blueprint for M and get things landed early in the cycle | 16:13 |
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| jroll | folks can apply these patches if they wish to deploy it after liberty | 16:14 |
| jroll | and we can work on getting the rest of this really solid in the meantime | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: few points - | 16:14 |
| jroll | it's disappointing, but it's too late now :/ | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | 1) I do not see any nova config changes - what config changes are you referring to? | 16:15 |
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| jroll | 1) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206163/1/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py and we'll probably need one for the feature as a whole as well | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | Oh - I was thinking this is ironic driver - hence, we should be OK | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: I thought you were in touch with nova guys and they would let this go - | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: what if we split this into two - take out port-group for the first cut | 16:18 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: no, that was when there was one simple patch, and the sentiment was it didn't need a spec, not that it could land whenever | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: there are two ways to go with this in that case - | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | A) as you mentioned, have all the patches ready and let the customers use them and then land them in M release | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | B) make a slight adjustment to the plan and push the port-group stuff in the M release, but, push the non-portgroup stuff still in L release | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | this way we can have basic framework in L and then we can continue to work on it in M release | 16:21 |
| jroll | the thing is | 16:21 |
| jroll | both pieces depend on things being done in ironic or neutron | 16:22 |
| jroll | that aren't done yet | 16:22 |
| jroll | so we'd have to go even later in the cycle | 16:22 |
| jroll | I don't think that's going to fly, so I vote we go with A | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | neutron side is good to go - and, you mentioned we can continue to go with ironic side late in cycle (as there is no FF concerns) | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | as long as we manage the nova side, we should be good, no? | 16:23 |
| jroll | neutron side is merged? | 16:23 |
| jroll | and we have drivers that support the dont-bind-yet flag or whatever? | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: we have until first week of Sept to merge neutron side | 16:24 |
| jroll | ok, right | 16:24 |
| jroll | yeah the rest should be fine then, assuming we continue to make good progress on the ironic code | 16:24 |
| yhvh_ | Think ironic side stuff is making good progress now | 16:25 |
| jroll | because this is a lot of ironic code :) | 16:25 |
| yhvh_ | we've addressed most comments, should have the rest addressed by mid-cycle | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: It would be worthwhile to consider splitting the port group and non-portgroup code and see if we can make it to the L cycle | 16:26 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: we're already past non-priority feature freeze, it won't happen | 16:27 |
| jroll | sorry :( | 16:27 |
| jroll | I lost track of dates, this is partially my fault | 16:27 |
| jroll | partially/mostly/all | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: I am bit lost - if we pull out the port groups, then there is no change in nova config - am I missing something? | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: then it strips down to stuffing the binding:profile information and the ironic API | 16:29 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: I think we still want a config there whether to send bind_requested, for those not using this feature | 16:29 |
| jroll | and even without the config it's a hard sell | 16:29 |
| jroll | I can run it by john to be sure, but I really doubt it | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: is John going to be in Seattle this week? | 16:29 |
| jroll | no | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | oh | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | shall we have a discussion with him - with the stripped down plan and see if this will work? | 16:30 |
| jroll | I'll chat with him | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | if we can get the basic patches merged in L and then still continue to work on the advanced patches and possibly push them in early M - that would be a huge win | 16:31 |
| jroll | but, this is a non-priority feature and we're long past the non-priority feature freeze | 16:31 |
| jroll | they've already blocked some pretty critical stuff | 16:31 |
| jroll | and besides, like I said, this depends on work in other projects that is not done | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: my understanding has all along been that they will allow this (at least the stripped part) | 16:32 |
| jroll | all that was said to me is that the ironic spec was probably enough, and we won't need a nova spec for this. | 16:32 |
| jroll | that doesn't mean none of the process applies. | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | I see | 16:33 |
| jroll | I totally dropped the ball on getting this stuff in, I lost track of dates and got distracted with other work. I'm sorry for that | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | I think it would be worthwhile to have a chat with John and others to see if can land some of it in L - otherwise, we have no choice but to go with plan A | 16:34 |
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| jroll | sure | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: we should discuss this with devananda as well - he may have some thoughts as well | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | when we meet in Seattle on Wednesday, lets discuss it further | 16:36 |
| jroll | ... sure, I don't see why devananda would be able to circumvent nova processes, but ok | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | regardless, we should not slow down the progress and keep marching forward | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | with that in mind - lets get back to the patches | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: the last two patches in the list - I posted comments - do not know if you had a chance to review or not | 16:38 |
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| jroll | no, I haven't yet | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: we should come up with one patch which addresses the sprit of both of these patches, and add the binding: profile stuff to it | 16:39 |
| jroll | yeah, need to review what exactly should be there and update the patch | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: also, we need an additional patch to cover the network flip logic | 16:40 |
| jroll | that's in ironic | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | so, we need two additional patches - | 16:41 |
| jroll | and should look much like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139687/ | 16:41 |
| jroll | but updated to not be 6 months old :) | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | Oh - I have not seen this before…. | 16:42 |
| jroll | this was before the updates for port groups etc | 16:43 |
| jroll | so don't read too much into it :) | 16:43 |
| jroll | but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139687/5/ironic/networks/neutron_plugin.py | 16:43 |
| jroll | should be pretty close | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | correct - the updated version of something like this and combination of the two of your other patches (along with stuffing of the binding profile) | 16:43 |
| jroll | right, my goal is to get all of this done this week | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: cool - so, lets get this done and yhvh_ is making good progress on the other three patches | 16:45 |
| jroll | +1 | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | with all of this in place, having a discussion with John, devananda and other Nova stake holders, lets see what can be landed in L and what needs to be pushed out to M | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | yhvh_: what do you think? | 16:47 |
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| yhvh_ | sounds good | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | yhvh_: Are you good with the feedback on the patches? | 16:48 |
| yhvh_ | yeah I'll maybe continue one or two comment threads but that is the better place to discuss | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | yhvh_: just curious - as we were discussing, if we were to split the port group stuff - wondering how simple the patch becomes | 16:50 |
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| jroll | it already is split, best I can tell | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: i mean taking out the port group related config out of this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206163/1/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py | 16:53 |
| jroll | I think that patch needs the config | 16:54 |
| jroll | or maybe it doesn't need it at all | 16:54 |
| jroll | but there's nothing to split IMO | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: I wonder if port group was not in the play what modifications are needed in that driver - which seems to be a blocker from the nova point of view :-) | 16:55 |
| jroll | I don't understand | 16:55 |
| jroll | the blocker is that it's a feature after the feature freeze. | 16:55 |
| jroll | not that it's a config. not that it's a driver patch or not driver patch. | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | now I am lost :-):-) | 16:56 |
| jroll | we'll talk wednesday | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | sounds good | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | down to 3 mins - anybody wants to discuss anything else? | 16:58 |
| yhvh_ | I'll try be around irc while you are meeting for any fixups this end | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | sounds good | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks folks | 16:59 |
| jroll | thanks | 16:59 |
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| yhvh_ | tyty | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| yushiro | bye | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-08-10-16.02.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-08-10-16.02.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-08-10-16.02.log.html | 16:59 |
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