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| raginbajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 14:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raginbajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 14:00 |
| raginbajin | The link for the last meeting can be found here: | 14:00 |
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| raginbajin | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-06-17-14.00.html | 14:00 |
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| raginbajin | ^o Here | 14:00 |
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| raginbajin | Anybody else around for the Operators Ops Tools meeting | 14:03 |
| raginbajin | \o | 14:05 |
| odyssey4me | raginbajin I'm here. o/ | 14:05 |
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| raginbajin | Great! Hi there. | 14:06 |
| odyssey4me | It would seem that perhaps we're the only ones here? | 14:07 |
| raginbajin | I does seem like that. | 14:08 |
| raginbajin | So, we can officially get started I guess that way we have a record of what happened. | 14:08 |
| raginbajin | Not sure if you had anything to bring up. | 14:09 |
| raginbajin | #topic Recap last Ops Tool Meeting | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Recap last Ops Tool Meeting (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 14:10 | |
| odyssey4me | I unfortunately haven't managed to do the submission for the openstack-logstash-filters respository yet. I haven't had the time to put it all together - been busy on a focused sprint. I do hope to have it done by the next meeting though. | 14:10 |
| raginbajin | Great! | 14:10 |
| raginbajin | #info Looks like not many of the action items have been worked on from last meeting. | 14:11 |
| raginbajin | I didn't do a good job of sending out notes from the last meeting. | 14:11 |
| raginbajin | I will be better at it this time around in hopes to get more attendance and involvement. | 14:11 |
| raginbajin | #action Ensure that meeting notes get sent to Operators list - Joe | 14:12 |
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| raginbajin | #info Logstash-filters repo has not been submitted. Estimating next meeting for completion. | 14:14 |
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| raginbajin | So it doesn't look like we have much to go over. | 14:17 |
| GonZo2000 | hi guys sorry about the delay | 14:17 |
| raginbajin | oh | 14:17 |
| raginbajin | nice timing! | 14:17 |
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| raginbajin | It was just me and Odyssey here, and there wasn't much to go over | 14:18 |
| GonZo2000 | i was looking at the wiki | 14:18 |
| GonZo2000 | and to be honest i dont know where to start | 14:18 |
| raginbajin | so I was about to just end the meeting. I did say that I didn't do a good job to send out meeting notes from the last time. so I will do better this time around. | 14:19 |
| raginbajin | #topic Wiki Discusssion | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Wiki Discusssion (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 14:19 | |
| GonZo2000 | we will improve :) | 14:19 |
| raginbajin | #info Unsure on where to begin on updating the wiki | 14:19 |
| raginbajin | Do you have a link for the wiki? | 14:19 |
| GonZo2000 | we have to topics on the wiki | 14:19 |
| GonZo2000 | Tools and Monitoring | 14:20 |
| GonZo2000 | should we merge them in a single tree and grow from there ? | 14:20 |
| GonZo2000 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations | 14:20 |
| raginbajin | I think maybe having them separate is a good thing. I'm not too sure. | 14:22 |
| raginbajin | I think each of them can be a really large topic | 14:22 |
| raginbajin | #info Need ideas for Topics to include in each of the Monitoring and Tools sections. | 14:25 |
| raginbajin | #action Team needs to look for ways to break down each Monitoring and Tools sections into topics | 14:26 |
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| GonZo2000 | i see as a leaf called Tool/Monitoring | 14:27 |
| GonZo2000 | and inside branch to each topic | 14:27 |
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| raginbajin | Ahh ok. | 14:28 |
| raginbajin | That makes sense then. | 14:28 |
| raginbajin | I think we should just move forward with that then | 14:29 |
| GonZo2000 | ok :) | 14:29 |
| raginbajin | I think monitoring is really going to be the biggest section out of it actually. | 14:29 |
| GonZo2000 | tools help monitoring ;) | 14:30 |
| raginbajin | or fix what monitoring found | 14:30 |
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| GonZo2000 | true :) | 14:31 |
| raginbajin | I guess I was just going through - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-tools | 14:31 |
| raginbajin | and looking at what was discussed, and most of it could be summarized into the monitoring topic | 14:31 |
| raginbajin | It was about logging, metering, and alerting. | 14:31 |
| raginbajin | Any of the tools that were mentioned were about how to do those above there topics or interact with those three topics. | 14:32 |
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| GonZo2000 | lets try for the next meeting come with a structure ok ? | 14:33 |
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| raginbajin | I think that's a good plan | 14:34 |
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| raginbajin | #action Next meeting work on creating a structure for the wiki | 14:34 |
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| raginbajin | Ok I think that is pretty much all we have. | 14:36 |
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| raginbajin | Does anyone have anything else? | 14:38 |
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| odyssey4me | Not from me. :) | 14:38 |
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| raginbajin | Alright. Then I will end of the meeting then | 14:39 |
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| raginbajin | Thanks everyone came out. | 14:40 |
| raginbajin | who* | 14:40 |
| raginbajin | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 14:40:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-01-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-01-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-01-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting DefCore | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 15:00:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: DefCore)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 15:00 |
| zehicle | o/ | 15:01 |
| purp | o/ | 15:01 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 15:01 |
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| auld | 0/ | 15:01 |
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| eglute | hello everyone! if you have not done so, raise your hand! | 15:01 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglute | o/ | 15:01 |
| dfg_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| vinceb | o/ | 15:01 |
| catherine_d|1 | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglute | #chair zehicle | 15:01 |
| * zehicle wonders what 0/0 is | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute zehicle | 15:01 |
| malini | o/ | 15:01 |
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| zehicle | no more cookies | 15:01 |
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| zehicle | hogepodge, is on route to airport - should be online shortly | 15:02 |
| zehicle | just had bfast w/ him. | 15:02 |
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| * eglute feels left out | 15:02 | |
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| * zehicle feels like it's a good day for Greek salads | 15:02 | |
| purp | #link http://www.cnet.com/news/siri-gives-a-little-snark-if-you-ask-her-to-divide-0-by-0/ | 15:02 |
| eglute | #topic mid-cycle planning | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mid-cycle planning (Meeting topic: DefCore)" | 15:03 | |
| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle | 15:03 |
| zehicle | eglute, sorry. was going to offer you to join. :/ | 15:03 |
| * purp waves at Malini who he hasn't seen in quite a while. | 15:03 | |
| gema | o/ | 15:03 |
| zehicle | assumed you did not want to make the drive for 8:30 start | 15:03 |
| eglute | IBM is hosting our MidCycle! And getting us lunch! | 15:03 |
| eglute | zehicle: no worries! | 15:03 |
| malini | purp: I am probably the 'other' malini. we get mistaken :) | 15:04 |
| purp | malini: Ahhh. Well, I'll wave at you anyway. =] | 15:04 |
| * markvoelker notes that the nearest hotel to IBM is Aloft, but there are other options closeby as well | 15:04 | |
| eglute | if you are attending in person and have dietary restrictions, please fill this out: #link http://doodle.com/gsdq767e7chmc8in | 15:04 |
| * malini waves back @ purp | 15:05 | |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker good to know! | 15:05 |
| zehicle | the IBM location is not close to the Board Meeting. if you are going to both, it's much better to stay downtown and drive against traffic | 15:05 |
| eglute | austin traffic is the worst | 15:05 |
| markvoelker | eglute: So what's the plan? Show up at the front desk at oh-dark-thirty and ask for Vince? =) | 15:06 |
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| * purp chuckles at eglute's traffic assertion. | 15:06 | |
| zehicle | we could arrange a carpool (I live near the city) depending on # of people | 15:06 |
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| * zehicle orders redbulls for DefCore all-nighter | 15:06 | |
| eglute | markvoelker yes! the rest of us will show up there at 9 am or so. actually, we need to decide when we want to start and plan agenda | 15:06 |
| kbaikov | o/ | 15:06 |
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| zehicle | #topic agenda for Flag 6 | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda for Flag 6 (Meeting topic: DefCore)" | 15:07 | |
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| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle Agenda ideas | 15:07 |
| vinceb | For the Mid-Cycle, we will need to get the names of all the attendees as I will have to get everyone entered in for our security. | 15:07 |
| zehicle | clearly, we are going to talk about midcycle :) 4 weeks from now | 15:07 |
| zehicle | I'd like to talk about network component & capabilities to see if we can get them for 2015.07 | 15:07 |
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| eglute | vinceb: we will work on the list | 15:08 |
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| eglute | +1 on talking about capabilities and working on agenda for midcycle next meeting | 15:08 |
| vinceb | OK, that would be great | 15:08 |
| zehicle | any other changes to the agenda? | 15:08 |
| zehicle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.6 | 15:08 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 15:09 |
| vinceb | I will work on the logistics and send out an email | 15:09 |
| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker: I will confirm on the logistics at IBM ... but usually you will show up at the lobby and ask for Vince ... Vince and I should be at the lobby early | 15:09 |
| eglute | thank you vinceb | 15:09 |
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| eglute | i am ok with agenda zehicle | 15:10 |
| zehicle | #topic midcycle | 15:10 |
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| barrett | o/ | 15:10 |
| markvoelker | great, thanks folks. Agenda-wise I don't think anyone but me has added anything to the etherpad yet. | 15:10 |
| markvoelker | While I'm happy to monopolize all the conversation =), maybe let's have an AI for this week for folks to get their ideas posted so we can discuss next time? | 15:10 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, I edited late | 15:11 |
| eglute | markvoelker same here | 15:11 |
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| eglute | next topic? | 15:12 |
| eglute | or more on agenda/midcycle? | 15:12 |
| markvoelker | #action Please post midcycle agenda ideas to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle so we can settle agenda soonish | 15:13 |
| zehicle | midcycle | 15:13 |
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| eglute | #topic midcycle | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle (Meeting topic: DefCore)" | 15:13 | |
| markvoelker | eglute: I think we just covered midcycle. =) Move on to Tokto summit submissions? | 15:13 |
| markvoelker | s/Tokto/Tokyo/ | 15:14 |
| eglute | right now the calendar invite is for 48 hours of midcycle fun. I will send out updated invite when we agree on hours we want to be there | 15:14 |
| zehicle | I think we'll need to set a more time oriented agenda | 15:14 |
| eglute | markvoelker yes i am ok | 15:14 |
| eglute | zehicle agreed. | 15:14 |
| eglute | tokyo topic? | 15:14 |
| zehicle | may be worth having an interactive meeting to work on agenda | 15:14 |
| zehicle | hold on... | 15:14 |
| eglute | ok | 15:14 |
| eglute | zehicle i think that is a good idea | 15:14 |
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| zehicle | we could do that as a subgroup and then review | 15:15 |
| eglute | +1 | 15:15 |
| vinceb | +1 | 15:15 |
| rockyg | o/ | 15:15 |
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| zehicle | how many people want to participate in the agenda for the f2f? | 15:15 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: me | 15:16 |
| eglute | #action eglute zehicle to schedule a subgroup meeting for discussing midcycle agenda | 15:16 |
| zehicle | I think it needs to be tomorrow. | 15:16 |
| zehicle | likely 10 central or 3 central. | 15:16 |
| eglute | i can do tomorrow | 15:16 |
| eglute | 10 AM CST and 3 PM CST tomorrow work for me | 15:17 |
| vinceb | Vinceb: me | 15:17 |
| * markvoelker notes that that means you all have about 24 hours to get that last action item done | 15:17 | |
| zehicle | ok, we need quick vote on 10 or 3. Please reply | 15:17 |
| eglute | +1 10 AM and 3 PM | 15:17 |
| vinceb | 3 CDT works for me | 15:17 |
| markvoelker | Either should be ok for me | 15:17 |
| markvoelker | 3 might be marginally better | 15:18 |
| zehicle | ok, that's four people OK at 3. sold. | 15:18 |
| eglute | #action eglute send out invite for 3 PM Thursday meeting | 15:18 |
| eglute | ready for tokyo? | 15:18 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, some of that may end up being part of the agenda | 15:19 |
| hogepodge | 10 CDT best for me, 3 CDT has a conflict | 15:19 |
| hogepodge | I can cancel the conflict | 15:19 |
| eglute | hogepodge ok, let us know if you need to find a new time, can do it after the meeting as well | 15:20 |
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| eglute | #topic Tokyo summit planning | 15:20 |
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| eglute | we have about 2 weeks to submit, has anyone already submitted session proposals about defcore/refstack/interop/related? | 15:20 |
| markvoelker | eglute: not yet but I've been talking with some Nova/Neutron folks about a talk on the networking situation w/respect to interop and DefCore | 15:21 |
| eglute | i was thinking it would be useful to have a DefCore 101 session, if it gets accepted | 15:21 |
| eglute | what do you think? | 15:22 |
| hogepodge | I'll think something | 15:22 |
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| zehicle | what's the community interest in defcore? what would they want discussed? | 15:22 |
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| catherine_d|1 | eglute: we have not submitted for Refstack yet ... but planning to at least submit one session about Refstack testing update | 15:22 |
| hogepodge | We need to reach a wider community to start getting test results in. | 15:22 |
| eglute | zehicle: this would be for all the people that are hearing about defcore for the first time | 15:22 |
| zehicle | I could see a venn diagram type discussion | 15:22 |
| zehicle | I understand but those are generally not voting for sessions | 15:23 |
| zehicle | so we don't generally get them accepted | 15:23 |
| zehicle | one of the challenges with how we structure the conference | 15:23 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: a primary area of interest for the community is interop. Talks on hot interop topics (images, networking, etc) would go over well I think. | 15:23 |
| eglute | catherine_d|1: can you add it on etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.6 | 15:23 |
| zehicle | that's what I mean w/ venn as a topic | 15:24 |
| catherine_d|1 | eglute: will do | 15:24 |
| zehicle | we'd want concrete examples | 15:24 |
| hogepodge | "The Interoperabe API" | 15:24 |
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| purp | "Interoperable OpenStack Clouds: Just Add DefCore" | 15:24 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, something like Unbreaking the Interoperable API? | 15:24 |
| zehicle | I'd like to be able to discuss the specific cases if possible | 15:25 |
| purp | zehicle: can you give a brief example of a case you'd like to discuss? | 15:25 |
| zehicle | ohhh.... "square peg, defcore hole" | 15:25 |
| hogepodge | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-defcore-talks | 15:26 |
| eglute | case study of getting clouds defcore certified? | 15:26 |
| hogepodge | Collaboration point for talks #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-defcore-talks | 15:26 |
| zehicle | purp, we're talking about Glance v2 and the issues it causes. | 15:26 |
| zehicle | it would be good to spend 10 minutes talking why it's an issue and the pros and cons | 15:26 |
| zehicle | that's real interop meat | 15:26 |
| purp | +1 | 15:26 |
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| zehicle | if we have 4 top issues, then we've got a talk | 15:27 |
| hogepodge | glance v1->v2 and the n+1 ways to run a network are interoperability issues we face right now | 15:27 |
| auld | +1 on interop | 15:27 |
| zehicle | others? | 15:27 |
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| zehicle | we could review some flags | 15:28 |
| zehicle | and what's causing them to surface | 15:28 |
| zehicle | I know there are some interop issues hiding in the flags | 15:28 |
| zehicle | from that perspective, we don't have to lock down 4 now. | 15:28 |
| zehicle | we can agree that we've got 2 solid and a source for more | 15:28 |
| zehicle | and then craft the topic around that | 15:29 |
| zehicle | multiple speakers? | 15:29 |
| rockyg | a couple of PTLs could make it *very* interesting. Along with Monty | 15:29 |
| zehicle | true but I dont want to pull them out of the summit | 15:29 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: already spoke with Kyle Mestery and Russell Bryant about the networking topic. May have them co-present. | 15:30 |
| rockyg | Ops vs Devs What we have/what we need for interop | 15:30 |
| zehicle | the events are so overlapped we need to be careful of their time | 15:30 |
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| zehicle | also, I would not expect to drive the discussion at the session - it's not the best forum | 15:30 |
| zehicle | we need to have a hook to get people to vote AND also keep topical for n00bs | 15:31 |
| eglute | +1 zehicle | 15:31 |
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| zehicle | then again, we could just throw out "DEFCORE IS BROKEN AND ITS ALL YOUR FAULT!" | 15:32 |
| eglute | +100 | 15:32 |
| purp | Heh. | 15:32 |
| hogepodge | "You'll never believe this one weird trick you can do with defcore" | 15:32 |
| eglute | lol | 15:32 |
| zehicle | polishing my blame-caster | 15:33 |
| * eglute thinks defcore should have own summit track | 15:33 | |
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| * eglute interop summit track would be awesome | 15:33 | |
| rockyg | The defcore dunking booth -- then have a devops throw questions at nova/neutron/glance experts | 15:33 |
| * markvoelker notes that it's 33 past the hour so maybe time to move on.... | 15:33 | |
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| zehicle | +1 markvoelker | 15:33 |
| zehicle | I think we've got something good enough to run | 15:34 |
| rockyg | Actually, Game show. How do you do "x" across a couuple of public cloud providers and let the devs answer | 15:34 |
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| zehicle | #action eglute and zehicle to draft topic and submit | 15:34 |
| zehicle | +1 on resubmitting the game show concept | 15:34 |
| eglute | +1 game | 15:35 |
| eglute | time to talk about capabilities? | 15:35 |
| zehicle | #topic 2015.07 capabilities | 15:35 |
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| zehicle | we do need the board to approach an updated guideline based on the subcaps | 15:35 |
| zehicle | I'd also like us to get 2015.04 off the books because of all the flags | 15:36 |
| hogepodge | reorganization or subcaps, should be pretty straight forward. We have flags that will cause rebase issue, but not a big deal | 15:36 |
| zehicle | both really | 15:36 |
| markvoelker | 2015.05 has msot of the same flags though. Minus about two I think. | 15:36 |
| markvoelker | Or will have once we finish patching. | 15:36 |
| zehicle | ah, ok. sigh | 15:37 |
| * zehicle takes that as a sign that we made good decisions quickly in 2015.04 | 15:37 | |
| markvoelker | The trouble with a new spec every month is that there's no time to get much fixed between specs. Next spec we'll have a much longer cycle. | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | Speaking of.... | 15:38 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: this actually isn't 2015.07 we're working on next, right? It's 2016.01? We name Guidelines based on when they're approved by the Board | 15:38 |
| markvoelker | (per D4 in 2015A) | 15:38 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, the pace is hard if we make major changes. so far it's been very incremental | 15:38 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: if we merged glance v1 flagging without discussion I will be unhappy. It's a fairly serious issue. v2 is not interoperable, and I firmly believe that the majority of installations out there depend on v1 | 15:38 |
| catherine_d|1 | zehicle: no vendor will pass the spec without some flagged tests (at the minimum those that are flagged because of Tempest bugs) | 15:38 |
| zehicle | at the last meeting, we said there would be a new one to approach | 15:38 |
| zehicle | +1 on some flags | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: Sure, but we've been discussing that quite a lot I think | 15:39 |
| zehicle | the idea was that we would have a process for flags worked out before we put them back in | 15:39 |
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| zehicle | board should approve 1) new capabilities groups 2) new schema | 15:39 |
| zehicle | small changes but would like to keep that in flow | 15:40 |
| zehicle | more importantly, I'd like to start the process of getting a NETWORKING component going | 15:40 |
| zehicle | so, we'd need tests -> capabilities for that. at least 1 | 15:40 |
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| markvoelker | zehicle: see item in today's agenda. =) | 15:41 |
| zehicle | we need to component in place so we can think about having it in the platform (or not having it) | 15:41 |
| zehicle | yy | 15:41 |
| markvoelker | :Figuring out Networking (and other important areas of overlap): | 15:41 |
| zehicle | they are conflated | 15:41 |
| zehicle | since we have to figure out a window for the guideline changes | 15:41 |
| zehicle | happy to hold the details until next | 15:41 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: where networking is concerned, I think we just need to put a patch up and score capabilities | 15:41 |
| markvoelker | We haven't actually done that yet | 15:41 |
| zehicle | but wanted to make sure that we understood the timing to get it into a guideline | 15:42 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: yes, I guess I'd like to see us and the community working towards a decision on that. Some of the comments about "no devs so no v2 proxy in nova" and "it's a glance problem not a nova problem" make me think that there is no effort to make v2 a serious api, unlike what we've seen in cinder and keystone. | 15:42 |
| markvoelker | It may very well turn out that nothing meets DefCore Criteria, but if we do the scoring then we'll know where things are falling short, what's closest, and what has to be done to get something over the bar | 15:42 |
| eglute | +1 on scoring networking | 15:42 |
| hogepodge | networking we can score and start putting forward as advisory. Also need to decide if we want to try and use the nova proxy and dump nova-net and go all in on neutron. | 15:43 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: I've already been talking with some folks from nova/neutron about potentially scorable things, so I'm happy to take a stab at something we can score | 15:43 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, I'd like to get something there | 15:43 |
| zehicle | so we can start the process going on it | 15:43 |
| eglute | who can help with scoring networking? we need to get networking as Advisory before the next board meeting | 15:43 |
| rockyg | hogepodge, +1000 I agree. And rumor has it it's Ooh, shiny vs. the drudgery of making old stuff actually work | 15:43 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I'm glad you're engaging them on this. Can we get either of them to the midcycle? | 15:43 |
| zehicle | we should have something in to start the discussion (works like a motion in Roberts' rules) | 15:44 |
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| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker: I can provide test data ... | 15:44 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: seems unlikely this late in the game. I can ask. John already said he couldn't hop across the poond. | 15:44 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: virtual attendance then? | 15:44 |
| zehicle | at best, we'd have it as advisory for 2015.07 | 15:44 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: More likley. | 15:44 |
| hogepodge | At least for targeted discussions. If there's a good time that works with their schedule we can identify it so they're not up at 2 AM :-D | 15:45 |
| zehicle | that would then help drive deeper discussion in Tokyo | 15:45 |
| catherine_d|1 | zehicle: 2015.07 is targeted for Liberty OpenStack release? | 15:45 |
| zehicle | no | 15:46 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: catherine_dl1: per 2015A it should go up for approval in January and cover L, K, J | 15:46 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, +1. L is not out until Tokyo | 15:46 |
| markvoelker | See timeline at bottom of today's etherpad | 15:46 |
| zehicle | so, 2016.01 would have L | 15:46 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: wait, what? | 15:47 |
| zehicle | ideally, we don't have a 2015.10 BUT I suspect that we will need it | 15:47 |
| markvoelker | 2015A says we introduce a draft at the summit, and it gets approved 3 months later | 15:47 |
| zehicle | right - that means that 2015.next would be presented at the summit | 15:47 |
| rockyg | right. 2016-1 | 15:47 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: ok, gotcha | 15:47 |
| zehicle | with a target of approval the the BoD mid cycle | 15:47 |
| zehicle | BUT, I'd expect us to recommend a 2015.10 guideline | 15:48 |
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| markvoelker | zehicle: I'd be -1 on doing a 2015.10 guideline. CAn't think why we would need it. Iterating on specs that rapidly doens't foster interoperability. | 15:48 |
| zehicle | otherwise, any network changes will not surface as ADVISORY until 2016.01 and take 6 more months | 15:48 |
| markvoelker | E.g. we have folks certified aginast a while smattering of different Guidelines b/c we keep introducing new ones. | 15:49 |
| zehicle | good topic for the midcycle | 15:49 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, there are pros and cons | 15:49 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: personally I think it's unlikely that we'll have networking included in 2016.01 unless we change DefCore Criteria. | 15:49 |
| zehicle | I agree we should not rush but we also need to respond as we discover issues right now | 15:49 |
| markvoelker | So I'm not real worried about making it advisory before then. | 15:50 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: zehicle: I see us in a period of growing pains right now. If we do the right thing we should see much more stability a year from now. | 15:50 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, it's possible to consider it as a component (not platform) | 15:50 |
| zehicle | the original criteria did not anticipate having components | 15:50 |
| markvoelker | Even if we consider it as a Component, the Criteria still apply though | 15:50 |
| zehicle | we may have to revise that to take components into account | 15:50 |
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| rockyg | I don't see it being more than a few tests/ basic capabilities for a while | 15:50 |
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| zehicle | markvoelker, yes! but "widely adopted" has a different meaning | 15:51 |
| zehicle | which is unfortunately very tricky to handle | 15:51 |
| rockyg | I can't see it being a platform for quite a while | 15:51 |
| zehicle | when we switch from components to platform | 15:51 |
| * eglute notes we have only 9 min left | 15:51 | |
| zehicle | this was the discussion that I wanted to drive for this meeting | 15:51 |
| zehicle | so I'm good w/ that | 15:52 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: let's table this for midcycle. I don't see any other alternative meanings for the criteria we have approved. | 15:52 |
| zehicle | still wondering if we have time to get some networking caps in | 15:52 |
| markvoelker | I think it probably warrants more discussion than 9 minutes will afford. =) | 15:52 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, I hope that you are right because we put a lot of time into that | 15:52 |
| rockyg | Needs to be from a tenant perspective to get network in soonish | 15:52 |
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| zehicle | and that's why these topics are mixed with faster guideline cycles | 15:53 |
| eglute | we always run out of time to talk about capability scoring. Looks like we might need a separate meeting for that | 15:53 |
| hogepodge | eglute: +1 | 15:53 |
| rockyg | eglute, ++ | 15:53 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: tend to agree. See "capabilities review (or planning for it)" in today's agenda | 15:53 |
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| hogepodge | I'd like us to schedule a weekly capabilities meeting. | 15:54 |
| rockyg | hogepodge, ++ | 15:54 |
| eglute | hogepodge agree | 15:54 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I think at this stage an hour per week isn't enough, even if it's a separate meeting | 15:54 |
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| markvoelker | We need to divide and conquor | 15:54 |
| markvoelker | (see etherpad) | 15:54 |
| hogepodge | I'd also nominate markvoelker to lead it (VanL did a fantastic job, but seems occupied with other concerns lately) | 15:54 |
| rockyg | Link to etherpad, again? | 15:54 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.6 | 15:54 |
| eglute | we need an owner for capabilites scoring. VanL used to own it, not sure if has the time this quarter | 15:55 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, +1 | 15:55 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: hogepodge: perhaps let's confirm with VanL before we shift that responsibility? | 15:55 |
| VanL | The timing of the meetings has hit at weird times for me since Vancover, apologies, all | 15:55 |
| rockyg | markvoelker, thanks | 15:55 |
| * hogepodge hopes markvoelker isn't bothered by him nominating him for hard job | 15:55 | |
| VanL | I'm fine with markvoelker | 15:55 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, as also have authority as DefCore secretary to run that | 15:55 |
| hogepodge | ohai VanL! | 15:55 |
| * hogepodge waves | 15:55 | |
| hogepodge | I'm happy to do that | 15:56 |
| rockyg | so, VanL, if you'll run it, you get to pick the time! | 15:56 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: would two hours work? If we're short on time, nothing may chage that we can't do as much as we want, but that's a nice thing about targeting advisory | 15:56 |
| * markvoelker is happy to take on whatever level of responsibility will get things done | 15:56 | |
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| hogepodge | VanL: your thoughts? | 15:57 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: well, my point was that I don't think we need to do all the scoring in a meeting | 15:57 |
| VanL | So, scoring should take less time | 15:57 |
| markvoelker | Instead, we need to divvy up scoring and submit patches that we can review *outside* of meetings, then use meeting time for contentious ones | 15:57 |
| VanL | and should be a lot easier than the first go-around. | 15:57 |
| zehicle | we need to get coverage for the meeting next week | 15:58 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: ok, is it something we can do in parallel? Have someone propose a todo list then collate responses? VanL had an idea of how to programatically (sp) score | 15:58 |
| * markvoelker sounds two minute warning | 15:58 | |
| zehicle | #topic chair for next meeting | 15:58 |
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| VanL | The capabilities meetings over time tended to morph because we needed first to define what the capabilities were/are | 15:58 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: sure, I'll send an ML message about it this week | 15:58 |
| VanL | I think that seems to be largely settled at this point w/ the new capabilities | 15:58 |
| eglute | It will be 3 AM for me during the next meeting, I nominate hogepodge and markvoelker to chair next week's meeting | 15:58 |
| hogepodge | since mordred and jeblair are big consumers of network api, I'd like their input. | 15:59 |
| markvoelker | and VanL: I'll drop you a note about ideas for improving scoring. I'm sure that's something you've thought a lot about, would love to pick your brain a bit. | 15:59 |
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| hogepodge | I'm available and can (co)chair with markvoelker | 15:59 |
| markvoelker | I'll be here as well | 15:59 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge | 15:59 |
| zehicle | thanks | 15:59 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker | 15:59 |
| * purp nudges on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/ to get it landed | 15:59 | |
| VanL | markvoelker: Yes, let's grab some time. This week would be better, I have some ETO coming up | 15:59 |
| markvoelker | VAnL: will do. I think I'm relatively free tomorrow, so I'll verify and send you a note | 16:00 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: VanL can you include me? I'm scheduled up tomorrow, but would like to join if I can (even if just to listen) | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: sure | 16:00 |
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| markvoelker | ok, think we're overtime folks | 16:01 |
| eglute | we are out of time. any last minute comments or remarks? | 16:01 |
| zehicle | I can't +2 that - it's mine | 16:01 |
| zehicle | thanks for the nudge purp | 16:01 |
| eglute | I can if everyone else reviewed it | 16:01 |
| purp | Continue in #openstack-defcore | 16:02 |
| * markvoelker will take a look | 16:02 | |
| eglute | +1 if you reviewed it and are ok with it | 16:02 |
| VanL | markvoelker/hogpodge: I'm free except 10:30-11 and 1-2 (both central) | 16:02 |
| * markvoelker jots down VanL's schedule | 16:02 | |
| eglute | #action everyone reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/ | 16:02 |
| hogepodge | purp I have some issues with language and clarity (see last comment) | 16:02 |
| catherine_d|1 | VanL: hogepodge: markvoelker: please include me ... have some note about the spread sheet we created earlier | 16:02 |
| eglute | #action eglute will merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/ after all reviews are in | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | catherine_dl1: will do | 16:03 |
| zehicle | #endmeeting | 16:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 16:03:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-07-01-15.00.html | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-07-01-15.00.txt | 16:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-07-01-15.00.log.html | 16:03 |
| purp | hogepodge: Agree. Bringing that up in #openstack-defcore. | 16:03 |
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| wshao | #startmeeting Compass dev | 17:17 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 17:17:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is wshao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:17 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:17 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'compass_dev' | 17:17 |
| xicheng | Looks good. | 17:18 |
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| wshao | a roll call by #info command | 17:18 |
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| xicheng | #info | 17:18 |
| xicheng | ? | 17:18 |
| wshao | with your name. | 17:18 |
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| wshao | as an argument | 17:18 |
| xicheng | #info xicheng | 17:19 |
| xicheng | with or without "#"? | 17:19 |
| wshao | with | 17:19 |
| rockyg | roll call is simply o/ | 17:19 |
| xicheng | o/ | 17:19 |
| wshao | ok cool. rocky | 17:19 |
| xicheng | o/ xicheng | 17:19 |
| rockyg | all people who type during meeting will be recorded as present | 17:19 |
| rockyg | gotta go appt | 17:20 |
| wshao | The first topic will be the release schedule. We need to formalize it as we plan to enter openstack program | 17:20 |
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| xicheng | are we allowed to type? | 17:20 |
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| xiaodongwang | hello | 17:21 |
| xicheng | hello | 17:21 |
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| wshao | #topic Compass release schedule | 17:23 |
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| wshao | option 1 is to follow openstack's 6-month. | 17:23 |
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| wshao | defer the rest of agenda to next week | 17:31 |
| wshao | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 17:31:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_dev/2015/compass_dev.2015-07-01-17.17.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_dev/2015/compass_dev.2015-07-01-17.17.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass_dev/2015/compass_dev.2015-07-01-17.17.log.html | 17:32 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:55 |
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| Rockyg | #starmeeting log_wg | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: missed a T in there :-) | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | Thanks. Was trying to figure out what I did worng :P | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 20:01:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | pings: jokke_, bknudson | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | and who am I forgetting? Gotta build a list. | 20:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | hey there! | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | So, the new meeting stuff is very non-dev unfriendly. | 20:04 |
| bknudson | new meeting stuff? | 20:04 |
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| dhellmann | ? | 20:04 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. On the ML, there was discussion on app agnostic log parameters. | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | Wasn't aware of the BP, but something we should track/comment/provide resources if possible? | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067970.html | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+spec/app-agnostic-logging-parameters | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | Thanks dhellmann! | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | #topic app agnostic logging | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "app agnostic logging (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:06 | |
| bknudson | log file formats always seem to be a pain | 20:06 |
| bknudson | probably just a bad design | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | this spec is somewhat related, as well: https://review.openstack.org/196752 | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | #link https://review.openstack.org/196752 | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | I haven't started work on any of those, yet, but do expect to "soon" when I make a little progress on the release and python 3 work I have on my backlog. | 20:08 |
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| Rockyg | any way we can help? | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | it would be useful to know which projects are not already using the oslo.context and oslo.log libraries | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | I can likely get that info. | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | other than swift, of course ;-) | 20:09 |
| bknudson | keystone isn't using oslo.context | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | we can use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-app-agnostic-logging-parameters for notes | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | #action document which projects using 1) oslo.log libraries 2) oslo.context | 20:10 |
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| Rockyg | Another question I have wrt: does the mistral approach seem reasonable? | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | what is their approach? | 20:11 |
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| Rockyg | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-log-enhancement | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | posted in ML yesterday. I guess it should have also had [log] in the title | 20:13 |
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| Rockyg | spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173700/ | 20:14 |
| Rockyg | Sorry. Wrong link. | 20:14 |
| Rockyg | lemme find the email link. | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | I haven't read the whole patch on that blueprint, but the first few changes look right | 20:15 |
| bknudson | looks like they were still using log from oslo-incubator | 20:15 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 20:15 |
| bknudson | makes you wonder how far behind they are in switch to oslo libs | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | my guess is pretty far | 20:16 |
| Rockyg | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068314.html | 20:16 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/mistral/tree/mistral -- maybe not | 20:16 |
| bknudson | I don't see any openstack in there | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | I can find out. The dev working this stuff works for Huawei and I've actually got a connection | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | oh, I think someone working on this asked me about it on irc a few days ago | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | they were looking for a way to include more information in the logging context by default, like the task ids they have in mistral | 20:18 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. They just added a new core. Seems activity is picking up. | 20:18 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: exactly. | 20:18 |
| Rockyg | That's the plan laid out in the above email | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | oh, no, that was email: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068089.html | 20:19 |
| Rockyg | Oh. oops. | 20:19 |
| * dhellmann has too many digital interactions to remember the medium any more | 20:19 | |
| Rockyg | Oh, right. The email I posted was the proposal based on your responses. | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it was all running together in my head | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | It's written like a spec. Take a look. | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: just consider me your secretary wrt logging ;-) | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | I'll have to find that email and reply. I'm not sure overloading resource like that is the right approach, but I don't know what mistral has as an addressable resource | 20:21 |
| bknudson | do we just set extra=context? | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068314.html | 20:22 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: the keyword adapter in oslo.log pulls any extra keyword args and adds them to extras, so either form works | 20:22 |
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| Rockyg | sorry. wrong link again. try : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068314.html | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: I'll find that message in my email client and reply later today or early tomorrow | 20:24 |
| bknudson | found it http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.log/tree/oslo_log/log.py#n105 | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | Cool. Thanks. that will give me the info I need. | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | ready for next topic? | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | #topic requestID | 20:25 |
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| Rockyg | It's been getting lots of play in xproject. | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156508/ | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | talks about using tuples, modifying all clients then all projects. Hmmm. | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | Will it work? | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | they've dropped that approach, and I think the new version is workable | 20:27 |
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| dhellmann | there are some details to work out, as bknudson points out in the review | 20:27 |
| bknudson | I doubt it will work in all cases | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | I'm worried about the same thing the ops guys are worried about: too many UUIDs and the log messages get too long. | 20:27 |
| bknudson | in the simplest case looks like it'll be adequate | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: oh, good. | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | Simple case is a good start if it doesn't make the hard case impossible | 20:28 |
| bknudson | all the new version does is make the request ID available | 20:28 |
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| bknudson | it doesn't cover actually logging the value | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | right, that was part 1 | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: kewl! | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | I was catching up on all the comments and missed that the logging part was out. | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | I think for logging, it could be done with 3 UUIDs: originating, last referring, current | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Linked list kinda, with originating being the "reference" id | 20:32 |
| bknudson | what are we logging/ | 20:32 |
| bknudson | ? | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | request IDs | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | this is why I want to see what the osprofiler folks have, because they've figured out how to build the call tree properly so it seems there's no need to redo that work | 20:32 |
| bknudson | so when the request is complete log the request IDs? | 20:32 |
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| bknudson | or when the request is made? | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | As long as it gets pulled out of the profiler and put into an oslo library or some such. Ops are unlikely to install the profiler on prod | 20:33 |
| bknudson | or is it when the request comes in? | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: yeah, don't obsess over where that lives. The point is to look at their implementation. | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | Yah. | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: first action taken to complete the "task" would have get the originating RId | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | Then each handoff to another project/module gets one (depends on how the project implements internally) | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | So, the hand-off passes the original RId and the previous step's RId | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | I would think the first RId would be created when the call is moved to actionable code/put on a waiting queue. It needs to be associated with the call. | 20:36 |
| bknudson | what's correlation ID? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.middleware/tree/oslo_middleware/correlation_id.py | 20:36 |
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| Rockyg | I think that's the RIDs for notivications. | 20:37 |
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| Rockyg | But, dhellmann is the expert. | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | gordc is the middleware expert, I don't know what that is | 20:37 |
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| Rockyg | OK. ready for my next topic/question? | 20:38 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.middleware/tree/oslo_middleware/request_id.py -- the request ID that the server is going to assign is in openstack.request_id in the request env | 20:39 |
| bknudson | so you've got it if you want to log it I guess | 20:39 |
| bknudson | then do you have to pass that along when you make the request to the next service? | 20:40 |
| Rockyg | So, yeah. RId for notifications. Jay Pipes is pushing this and the Ops want events to log, which would need these | 20:40 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: You would think. But I don't think many have thought it out that far yet. | 20:40 |
| bknudson | correlation ID and request ID look pretty similar | 20:41 |
| bknudson | only diff is the request ID has req- prefix | 20:41 |
| Rockyg | Yup. One for APIs, one for events | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: here's where correlation_id was added: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.middleware/commit/?id=758263a8fba5870f48d2e8d15a13bf383eb389d2 | 20:42 |
| bknudson | looks like correlation ID is to also track requests across services | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | Yup. But outside of the API path. So, the RPCs,Rabbitq, etc. | 20:44 |
| bknudson | it's middleware so it's generated from the api request coming in | 20:44 |
| bknudson | unless there's some other user of middleware | 20:44 |
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| dhellmann | no, that's a wsgi middleware, so it's the rest call | 20:44 |
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| Rockyg | hmm. | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | one of our pain points on these libraries is definitely documentation :-( | 20:45 |
| bknudson | maybe we can deprecate correlation-id in favor of x-openstack-request-id ? | 20:46 |
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| dhellmann | I wonder if that header name is some sort of standard | 20:46 |
| Rockyg | or vice versa ;-) | 20:46 |
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| dhellmann | well, searching for X_CORRELATION_ID does turn up some hits | 20:47 |
| bknudson | keystone has request_id in the default pipeline, no correlation id | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | here's the old spec for that middleware: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/create-a-unified-correlation-id | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | bp doesn't link to anything. | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | Ah! you found it. | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | and a related old email thread: https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg13082.html | 20:50 |
| bknudson | I don't see any paste.ini with CorrelationId. It doesn't have a factory function either | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | it might not be used yet | 20:50 |
| bknudson | Tue, 12 Jun 2012 -- the dream will eventually come true! | 20:51 |
| Rockyg | It looks like Nova was supposed to put it in v2.1 (roginally v3) | 20:51 |
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| dhellmann | the old nova spec: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.middleware/commit/?id=758263a8fba5870f48d2e8d15a13bf383eb389d2 | 20:52 |
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| Rockyg | It was supposed to be in Juno. | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | oops | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cross-service-request-id | 20:52 |
| Rockyg | Yup. | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | anyway, it looks like there is lots of prior art here and whoever is pushing this now should pull it all together, summarize the state of what we have and how that's different from what we want | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | instead of starting from scratch | 20:53 |
| bknudson | we might be trying to make something perfect when we should start out with whatever's easy | 20:54 |
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| Rockyg | Sounds good to me. I think we have an action and that we have a chance of getting a start on this in Liberty | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | and we might already have half of what we want | 20:54 |
| Rockyg | #action pull all the correlation-id threads together, document, and discuss with Abhishek, etc. | 20:54 |
| bknudson | well, it seems like all we're going to get accomplished in L is being able to get the request ID from the response in the python apis. | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | Well, I think we've gotten some useful work done here today. I'm happy. | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:56 |
| Rockyg | I'll pull the threads together and post to the ML referring to the current Request-ID spec. | 20:56 |
| Rockyg | And with that any other things to discuss, or close it down? | 20:56 |
| bknudson | happy canada day | 20:57 |
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| Rockyg | Happy Canada Day! | 20:57 |
| * dhellmann salutes his northern neighbors | 20:57 | |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 20:58:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-07-01-20.01.html | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-07-01-20.01.log.html | 20:58 |
| Rockyg | Thanks, guys! | 20:58 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 21:00 |
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| sdake | #topic rollcall | 21:00 |
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| sdake | groan hour too early | 21:01 |
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| sdake_ | #startmeeting olla | 22:00 |
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| sdake_ | #startmeeting kolla | 22:00 |
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| sdake_ | #topic rollcall | 22:00 |
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| harmw | 0/ | 22:00 |
| mstachow | olla ! | 22:00 |
| sdake_ | o/ sorry for the typo there folks :) | 22:01 |
| mfalatic | o/ | 22:01 |
| mandre | here o/ | 22:01 |
| sdake_ | keyboard getting warn | 22:01 |
| sdake_ | worn | 22:01 |
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| jpeeler | hey | 22:01 |
| sdake_ | i'll give it couple more mins for stragglers ;) | 22:02 |
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| harmw | mstachow: shouldn't you be in bed? :p | 22:02 |
| mstachow | and You ;) ? | 22:02 |
| harmw | :P | 22:02 |
| sdake_ | #topic announcements | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:02 | |
| harmw | L1! woohoo | 22:03 |
| sdake_ | midcycle information is avilable now: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/KollaLibertySprint#Cisco_Specifics | 22:03 |
| sdake_ | rather | 22:03 |
| sdake_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/KollaLibertySprint | 22:03 |
| sdake_ | I'll flesh that page out as I get more details | 22:03 |
| sdake_ | please book your travel if you intend to attend ;) | 22:03 |
| sdake_ | note bay area hotel rates will crank up over next couple weeks, so please please book your hotels now | 22:04 |
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| sdake_ | we have room for 25 seats | 22:04 |
| sdake_ | i'll send out eventbrite info later today | 22:04 |
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| sdake_ | if you can't make it because of budget issues, pleae mark the time in your calendar for remote participation | 22:04 |
| harmw | I won't be attending in person | 22:04 |
| sdake_ | would like to see as many folks there as possible either remote or local | 22:05 |
| sdake_ | harmw ya it will be hard for non-us citizens to make it to the summit because of the timelines | 22:05 |
| sdake_ | we have alot of work to do in teh midcycle | 22:05 |
| harmw | various reasons, but yes | 22:05 |
| sdake_ | I'm not sure if we will always have a midcycle | 22:05 |
| * mstachow happy because of remote participation ! | 22:05 | |
| sdake_ | but right now we have many unanswered questions that a good face to face meeting can fix :) | 22:05 |
| harmw | yea | 22:05 |
| sdake_ | now I should warn, the remote participation will be pretty terrible ;) | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | it may be mostly one way unfortunately | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | its really hard to get a word in edgewise on the computer | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | with a room full of people talking | 22:06 |
| harmw | we'll see how it rolls | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | second announcement | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | liberty-1 was released couple days ago | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | it all seemed to work for me | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | heat seems a bit buggy | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | but working | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | for example the heat demo deosn't work properly | 22:06 |
| sdake_ | also horizon is completely busted | 22:07 |
| sdake_ | it would be cool if someone could fix that :) | 22:07 |
| harmw | and thanks for everyone rushing out all those fixes in such a limited window! | 22:07 |
| harmw | horizon was upstream, right? | 22:07 |
| mandre | do we have bugs logged for all the things you mentioned? | 22:07 |
| sdake_ | yes there are bugs | 22:07 |
| sdake_ | so we went from 35 bugs at release announcement creation time to 60 bugs at release | 22:08 |
| sdake_ | that meanss our ci needs some serious love | 22:08 |
| harmw | yea, I think most if not all issues were logged in our own LP | 22:08 |
| sdake_ | #topic continuous integration | 22:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "continuous integration (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:08 | |
| harmw | single nic, period | 22:08 |
| sdake_ | ok well before we can do single nick we need internal config of openvswitch working | 22:09 |
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| sdake_ | any taers? | 22:11 |
| harmw | there is work underway on that right? | 22:12 |
| sdake_ | nobody owns it | 22:12 |
| harmw | hm | 22:12 |
| harmw | I could just take a look | 22:12 |
| sdake_ | ok this should come behind that other work we talked about today harmw | 22:12 |
| harmw | isn't this something Sam wanted to tackle? | 22:12 |
| harmw | yep | 22:12 |
| sdake_ | sam tackled external config | 22:13 |
| sdake_ | and then didn't do internal config | 22:13 |
| sdake_ | now he wants someone else to do internal config i guess | 22:13 |
| sdake_ | we ar egating on internal config to begin | 22:13 |
| harmw | it's on my list anyway, to do something with openvswitch :) | 22:13 |
| sdake_ | cool harmw can you make a blueprint | 22:13 |
| harmw | ok, assign me | 22:13 |
| sdake_ | ok i'll make a blueprint | 22:13 |
| sdake_ | #topic liberty-2 planning | 22:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty-2 planning (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:14 | |
| sdake_ | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-2 | 22:14 |
| sdake_ | please open that up | 22:14 |
| harmw | tempest! wanted to say that in terms of the previous item :) | 22:14 |
| sdake_ | harmw I htink jpeeler will tackle that | 22:15 |
| harmw | I'm seeing tons of new containers | 22:15 |
| sdake_ | lets focus on one problem at a time - which is the aio networ | 22:15 |
| sdake_ | and tempest next | 22:15 |
| sdake_ | so lots of started blueprints | 22:15 |
| sdake_ | yay ;-) | 22:15 |
| sdake_ | our deadline is July 31 | 22:15 |
| sdake_ | or midcycle is 28,29th | 22:15 |
| sdake_ | or/our | 22:16 |
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| sdake_ | so our midcycle will define what work we do for the remainder of liberty | 22:16 |
| harmw | yep, though there is something on that list already | 22:16 |
| harmw | for L3 | 22:16 |
| sdake_ | where | 22:16 |
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| sdake | which item | 22:17 |
| harmw | https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-3 | 22:17 |
| sdake | oh ya | 22:17 |
| sdake | i just push stuff out there that isn't in l2 | 22:17 |
| sdake | i should probably move that to l2 | 22:17 |
| sdake | i don't even know whats in l3 atm | 22:17 |
| sdake | oh its ironic probably - jpeleer said he is doing in l3 | 22:17 |
| sdake | not in l2 | 22:17 |
| harmw | :) | 22:17 |
| sdake | in terms of priorities, I think we have | 22:17 |
| sdake | 1. Make ansible work properly | 22:17 |
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| sdake | 2. Make from source install work properly | 22:18 |
| sdake | 3. Make HA containers work properly | 22:18 |
| harmw | shoudln't 2 be: multinode? | 22:18 |
| sdake | underlying these 3 main priorities is ci | 22:18 |
| sdake | harms 1 = multinode bro | 22:18 |
| harmw | oh ok | 22:18 |
| sdake | does anyone see a different set of priorities we should have? | 22:19 |
| mandre | seems good | 22:19 |
| mstachow | +1 | 22:19 |
| harmw | maybe putting HA first? | 22:19 |
| sdake | ansible is definately first | 22:19 |
| sdake | since it givs multinode | 22:19 |
| sdake | to test ha | 22:19 |
| harmw | sdake: excuse me, ansible is #1 period | 22:19 |
| sdake | we can swap src and ha, i'm good with that change | 22:19 |
| harmw | I meant HA in favor of source | 22:19 |
| harmw | would our users benefit from source based, our would that affect only us developers? | 22:20 |
| harmw | (which is good as well, but targets a different audience) | 22:20 |
| sdake | ok vote of A = sdake's priority vote of B = harmw's priority vote of -1 is different priority | 22:20 |
| sdake | please vote | 22:20 |
| mstachow | A | 22:20 |
| mandre | agreed HA should have higher priority than source install | 22:20 |
| nihilifer | A | 22:20 |
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| mandre | B for me | 22:21 |
| harmw | B | 22:21 |
| sdake | ya i think ha is higher prior then src | 22:21 |
| sdake | so B | 22:21 |
| jpeeler | i kind of liked A... | 22:21 |
| sdake | seems like we don't really have the entire team here to make a consensus on it | 22:21 |
| sdake | lets just put it this way | 22:21 |
| sdake | we need to get all 3 done in liberty 2 | 22:21 |
| harmw | yea, whats in a month anyway :) | 22:22 |
| jpeeler | that consensus topic reminded me about something for open discussion | 22:22 |
| sdake | we are going to go over a few blueprints | 22:22 |
| mandre | the month of july harmw… | 22:22 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/standard-start | 22:22 |
| sdake | harmw can you give us an update on this blueprint | 22:22 |
| sdake | with relevant links for those to catch up | 22:22 |
| harmw | yea, it's been drafted quite recently so work has yet to take off | 22:23 |
| sdake | would you mind linking the etherpad | 22:23 |
| harmw | we're dividing containers between several devs, this has been listed on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-standard-start | 22:23 |
| harmw | a separation has been made into two distinct groups of containers, as to where to target our focus first | 22:24 |
| harmw | I'll be adding Glance tomorrow, which can serve as base (well...) for the others | 22:24 |
| harmw | comments on that epad are, as always, appreciated | 22:25 |
| sdake | cool so looks like that is mostly covered by assignees | 22:25 |
| sdake | the reason harmw is reporting out is he is the asignee on the blueprint | 22:25 |
| sdake | which means he is responsible for wrangling the status | 22:26 |
| sdake | i'll still be responsible for wrangling the blueprints overall :) | 22:26 |
| harmw | next week I hope to report real progress on this :) | 22:26 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-service | 22:26 |
| sdake | harmw I hope your done by next week ;-) | 22:27 |
| sdake | this is adding the ansible framework to each of the services | 22:27 |
| sdake | samyaple is out so I'll report the status | 22:27 |
| harmw | with an epad as well: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ansibalising-containers | 22:27 |
| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ansibalising-containers | 22:27 |
| sdake | thsi one doesn't have alot of assignees | 22:27 |
| sdake | if your looing to contribute assign yourself as a contributor please | 22:27 |
| sdake | mandre would love for your involvement here ;) | 22:28 |
| sdake | I am going to leave the midcycle planning until next week | 22:29 |
| mandre | i'll add my name to some of the containers | 22:29 |
| sdake | because that meeting has better attendeance | 22:29 |
| sdake | thanks mandre | 22:29 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 22:29 |
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| sdake_ | #topic open discussion | 22:29 |
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| harmw | there was a recent discussion on the ML regarding meetingtimeslot | 22:30 |
| harmw | the slot for next week | 22:30 |
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| sdake_ | ok well I am not changing next week's slot | 22:30 |
| harmw | was there concensus on moving from 16:00 to 16:30 ? | 22:30 |
| sdake_ | but I can change 3 weeks slot around | 22:31 |
| sdake_ | and see what happens | 22:31 |
| harmw | not next week, sure, but that weeknmbr | 22:31 |
| harmw | you know, odd/even :) | 22:31 |
| sdake_ | right | 22:31 |
| sdake_ | ok well i'll change it, and we will see if people complain | 22:31 |
| harmw | great | 22:31 |
| sdake_ | meetings on the half hour are harder to remember ;( | 22:31 |
| sdake_ | jpeeler you said you had something for open discussion? | 22:31 |
| harmw | we'll see what happens | 22:31 |
| jpeeler | i was just wondering if anybody felt like we rely on IRC more than we should in contrast to using the mailing list? or perhaps this is just a natural progression as the project continues to develop | 22:32 |
| sdake_ | i would really like to see more ml usage | 22:32 |
| sdake_ | but I think our usage of irc is fantastic! | 22:32 |
| harmw | jpeeler: in what kind of way? | 22:32 |
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| mandre | and now our irc channel is logged anyway | 22:32 |
| sdake_ | the nice thing about ml usage is that it shows people its not just me out there | 22:33 |
| jpeeler | harmw: i just feel like we make a lot of decisions on IRC rather than taking it to the list | 22:33 |
| sdake_ | if they join our irc channel at 1am they will see a whoel bunch of contribs that have never posted on the ml | 22:33 |
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| sdake_ | jpeeler agree | 22:33 |
| harmw | jpeeler: true | 22:33 |
| mfalatic | Mailing lists tend to be better for larger discussions (things that may span days or weeks of back and forth, like architecture) | 22:34 |
| harmw | but isn't this in a some way 'our game' then? forgive me if I'm way off though | 22:34 |
| sdake_ | jpeeler do you have suggestions to improve things | 22:34 |
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| mfalatic | Perhaps it's an outgrowth of greater complexity that drives such discussions naturally to mailing lists. | 22:34 |
| jpeeler | well first i just wanted to see if people agreed and then if so, we can just make more of an effort to do so | 22:35 |
| sdake_ | well I think we should use the ml more | 22:35 |
| harmw | are other folks on the ML in some way affected by our lack of ML usage btw? | 22:35 |
| sdake_ | but I don't know how to encourage it | 22:35 |
| sdake_ | harmw YES | 22:36 |
| sdake_ | harmw they have to read irc logs to see how decisions are made | 22:36 |
| sdake_ | which they wont do | 22:36 |
| mandre | jpeeler, agreed, it's nice you bring this up | 22:36 |
| jpeeler | IRC logs tend to be litered with lots of fluff - no offense to anybody! | 22:36 |
| harmw | jpeeler: fully agree on that | 22:36 |
| harmw | log reading sucks | 22:36 |
| mfalatic | IRC logs are a PITA to read. | 22:36 |
| sdake_ | ya like steak talking about his new audio gear ;) | 22:36 |
| harmw | yep | 22:36 |
| mfalatic | Yeah! Wait... | 22:36 |
| harmw | so, what's the last decision we've made? | 22:36 |
| sdake_ | good q harmw | 22:37 |
| sdake_ | jpeeler got any examples ;) | 22:37 |
| mfalatic | Logs come in handy sometimes, but they're generally not a good way to keep up with an intricate or ongoing architectural debate. | 22:37 |
| jpeeler | well making decisions here in the official meeting log is fine | 22:37 |
| jpeeler | but perhaps discussion the priorities on the ML would have been good | 22:37 |
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| sdake_ | this meeting is constrained to 4 hrs a week | 22:37 |
| sdake_ | irc is 24 hours a day | 22:37 |
| sdake_ | 4 hrs a month i mean | 22:37 |
| sdake_ | irc meeting is for our highest prioirty topics of discussion | 22:38 |
| sdake_ | ml medium priority | 22:38 |
| sdake_ | irc low priority | 22:38 |
| sdake_ | imo ;) | 22:38 |
| mfalatic | email is 24x7 but allows greater participation IMHO, when consensus en masse counts. | 22:38 |
| harmw | so all is either high or low :> | 22:38 |
| mstachow | so we should set more medium priorities imo | 22:38 |
| sdake_ | our irc meeting is 4 hours a month but our irc time is 24 hrs a day | 22:38 |
| harmw | which we actually make good use of | 22:39 |
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| sdake_ | hey pdb ;) | 22:39 |
| pdb-mobile | Hi | 22:39 |
| pdb-mobile | Hmm, am i late | 22:39 |
| pdb-mobile | Or early | 22:39 |
| sdake_ | well if someone thinks i have the priorities wrong feel free to correct them ;-) | 22:39 |
| harmw | perhaps we could settle on deciding what to put to the ML when the next decision has to be made | 22:39 |
| harmw | or something like that | 22:40 |
| sdake_ | a good topic for ml is something that crosses time boundaries | 22:40 |
| sdake_ | that could take multiple days to figure out as mfalatyc pointed out | 22:40 |
| jpeeler | i tend to think of the ML as more of an archive | 22:40 |
| sdake_ | the irc meetings are archived | 22:41 |
| sdake_ | the irc logs are archived | 22:41 |
| sdake_ | everything is archived | 22:41 |
| jpeeler | a readable archive :) | 22:41 |
| sdake_ | readable lol :) clearly you dont read the ml very often ;) | 22:41 |
| * mstachow is thinking: is archive archived? | 22:41 | |
| sdake_ | ok well i'm all for using the ml more | 22:41 |
| mfalatic | Archive is printed using a pin-fed line printer on triplicate paper. | 22:42 |
| sdake_ | lets all make an effort when discussing changes in architecture that span multiple days worth of discussion to do it on irc | 22:42 |
| sdake_ | minus those that are done via our god awful specs process | 22:42 |
| harmw | don't you mean the ML there? | 22:42 |
| jpeeler | i assume you meant ML there | 22:42 |
| sdake_ | ya ml | 22:42 |
| sdake_ | sorry | 22:42 |
| harmw | cool | 22:42 |
| * jpeeler is done with that | 22:43 | |
| sdake_ | ya folks it would really hlpe our project grow as well to see us conversing on the mailing list | 22:43 |
| sdake_ | part of how projects are measured is by a term called "engagement" | 22:43 |
| harmw | exposure | 22:43 |
| sdake_ | engagement is measured by ml participation | 22:43 |
| sdake_ | almost exclusively | 22:43 |
| harmw | hm, can't say I like that but ok | 22:43 |
| sdake_ | even though our engagement imo is measured by our irc logs which are quite long each day :) | 22:44 |
| sdake_ | harmw ya its backwards | 22:44 |
| harmw | indeed | 22:44 |
| pdb-mobile | Ml is useful | 22:44 |
| pdb-mobile | Focused streams of conversion you can choose to track or ignore | 22:44 |
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| pdb-mobile | Easier to miss important stuff on irc | 22:45 |
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| harmw | so true | 22:45 |
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| harmw | more topics? | 22:45 |
| mandre | ML is also an invitation for other devs to get involved in the project | 22:45 |
| sdake_ | ya we beat that one into the ground | 22:46 |
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| sdake_ | hey nih* | 22:46 |
| sdake_ | any other open topics for discussion | 22:46 |
| harmw | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-summit-talk-proposals | 22:47 |
| sdake_ | or shall we conclude the meeting? | 22:47 |
| harmw | if anyone has input on that, your welcome to add | 22:47 |
| harmw | some reasoning: there was recent talk in #kolla about interesting stuff to talk about, now I don't know if this was regarding midcycle or summit, but the etherpad may be used to keep track of what could be of interest | 22:48 |
| sdake_ | harmw we wil lhave midcycle planning next wendesday | 22:48 |
| harmw | it wasn't much talking btw, more enthusiasm :) | 22:48 |
| sdake_ | if you want to do a talk at summit id' suggest keeping it secret until yo submit it so somoene doesn't jack your ideas ;) | 22:49 |
| harmw | I'm not talking, lol | 22:49 |
| sdake_ | daneyon and I are doing one | 22:49 |
| sdake_ | it would be interesting t osee a talk on someone that is a downstream of olla using kolla in deployment products | 22:49 |
| harmw | probably to soon for that, but yes | 22:49 |
| sdake_ | so for those that watch the logs after, tr yto think how to get that sort of talk into summit :) | 22:50 |
| sdake_ | the deadline is july 15th for summit proposals | 22:50 |
| sdake_ | but tose are 40 minute talsk, like what daneyon and I gave at summit | 22:50 |
| sdake_ | anyway lets not mix things up too much :) | 22:50 |
| sdake_ | if you want to do that, recommend working together - 2 people in a talk wor well together | 22:51 |
| sdake_ | any other subjects? | 22:51 |
| sdake_ | on that note, please book your travel for summit | 22:51 |
| harmw | opionions on Q/A for coding, or should we skip on that for now? | 22:51 |
| sdake_ | reference the sprints page for travel info | 22:51 |
| sdake_ | harmw lets do that at midcycle | 22:51 |
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| sdake_ | that is a perfect midcycle discussion topic | 22:51 |
| harmw | perhaps best | 22:51 |
| harmw | yea | 22:52 |
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| sdake_ | ok, rememeber, priority #1 - Anisbleize Kolla | 22:52 |
| sdake_ | lets get cracking! | 22:52 |
| sdake_ | #endmeeting | 22:52 |
| harmw | time to wrap it up | 22:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 22:52:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-07-01-22.00.html | 22:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-07-01-22.00.txt | 22:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-07-01-22.00.log.html | 22:52 |
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