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| nikhil_k1away | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk | 14:00 |
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| nikhil_k1away | #startmeeting Glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 14:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k1away. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| kragniz | hihi | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 14:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:01 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:01 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:01 |
| lakshmiS_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k1away IS BACK! | 14:01 |
| tsufiev | hi | 14:01 |
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| kragniz | nikhil_k1notaway | 14:01 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | Hi all | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | I was away for past few days so don't have much on updates | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | except for one thing | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #topic | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Updates | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | #info added entry for Glance mid-cycle to #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 14:03 |
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| nikhil_k | #action all: please visit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-mid-cycle-meetup and fill out the necessary surveys | 14:03 |
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| nikhil_k | Thanks for bringing that up flaper87 on the ML. I will response for everyone's awareness hwoever, updates and meeting minutes on the event would be a preference | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: awesome, thanks | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | I am arranging for vidyo capability in the conf room and that enables remote participation very likely | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | Also, I will try to investigate the tool mentioned by Jeremy on the ML if that seems more useful. We had little luck with mumble last time :/ | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | moving on.. | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Glance images streaming from Horizon | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | tsufiev: please go ahead | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166969/ | 14:06 |
| tsufiev | so, the problem is with support of file-like object during images upload via Glance v2 API | 14:07 |
| tsufiev | AFAIK (or more precisely, I was told), there isn't such capability in v2 API | 14:07 |
| tsufiev | is that true? | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | tsufiev: could you please be bit more precise? | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | I believe tsufiev's refering to stream whatever is being uploaded to horizon directly to glance | 14:09 |
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| flaper87 | without re-uploading it to glance | 14:09 |
| tsufiev | jokke_, sure. So, when I'm to upload an image file into Glance, I could pass some object as 'data' key value, the most important requirement for it is to have .read() method implemented - that works for me in v1 API | 14:10 |
| tsufiev | I'm speaking about using glanceclient from Horizon api wrappers | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | I guess I got it wrong... | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | tsufiev: as far as I know only problem we have (and which is not solvable) is that the client cannot do progress bar for stuff like fifos etc. where it cannot check the size | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | in which cases we can just disable the progress bar | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | but since this is horizon, I doubt they are using the CLI at all | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | other than that I see no problem passing the data through horizon (obviously you need to implment the bits to make that happen in horizon end) | 14:11 |
| tsufiev | flaper87, nope, we're speaking about the same thing, just on different level of detalization | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | but rather the library itself | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | tsufiev: a-ha | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | I thought you could pass f-like objs to glanceclient | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | or at least it was possible | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | mmhh | 14:11 |
| tsufiev | flaper87, well, our glance experts said I couldn't do it for API v2 | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | tsufiev: you can push the image data through fifo or just stdin on v2 as well no problem | 14:12 |
| tsufiev | mfedosin, ^^^ | 14:12 |
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| nikhil_k | tsufiev: The file like obj should work on glance v2 API. If they don't work in glanceclient then we have a bug. But the functionality should exist | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | tsufiev: that's were the difference between your comment and mine is. If you're asking whether glanceclient supports file like object, then the answer is (probably) yes | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | it's there and we fixed the behavior around early juno ... the defaults did not work great on glanceclient back then, but it has been working perfectly fine for about a year now | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | if the question is whether glanceclient honors the file-like object the right way, then I guess it doesn't | 14:13 |
| tsufiev | flaper87, okay, but is .read() method on that object in v2 API supported? | 14:13 |
| tsufiev | hm... perhaps I was misinformed... | 14:14 |
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| nikhil_k | tsufiev: I see, it's just a data stream | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | tsufiev: https://github.com/openstack/python-glanceclient/blob/master/glanceclient/common/http.py#L58-L64 | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | you may be referring to copy-from in v1 that's more along the lines of .read() you are asking for | 14:15 |
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| tsufiev | flaper87, nikhil_k: the above line seems like the thing that should work for me | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | and that's how I could make more sense of you comment on the review:- Since image_update is run in a separate thread and the browser itself | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | sends the large file via XHR, it is imperative that User doesn't close | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | Horizon page/tab before the image transfer is complete - otherwise it | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | tsufiev: can you point to the code you'r eusing for v1 right now? | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | will fail. | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | maybe that will help clear up the confusion | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/common/utils.py#L156 | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | I think CooperativeReader uses in both apis | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | (is used) | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | wait, I'm confused now. Are we talking about glanceclient or glance | 14:18 |
| tsufiev | as a Horizon developer I'm only able to use glanceclient directly :) | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | tsufiev: exactly | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | that's what I thought as well | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | and API perspective neither of the API gets file ... they get datastream | 14:19 |
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| tsufiev | jokke_, so there are no serious differences in v1 vs v2 datastream processing? | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | not that I can think of | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | tsufiev: is there an issue your facing ? | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | Error? Failure? different behaviour ? | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | it may be related to the API but not to the datastream | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | tsufiev: I didn't say that (meaning I'm not sure), but API perspective there is no file for the REST api ... it gets datastream from the client. | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | and the differencies in the python-glanceclient side were unified about year ago | 14:22 |
| tsufiev | flaper87, I shall try for myself with v2 - will ping you back (file a bug) if something wrong happens | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | tsufiev: roger, that'd be very useful | 14:22 |
| tsufiev | sorry for possibly false alarm | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | Shouldn't this have been brought up before the emeting? | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | but as long as we're talking about doing something with around upload process I'm assuming we're talking about the client | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | In #openstack-glance for example? | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: yeah | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | Can we move on to the next topic? | 14:23 |
| tsufiev | sure | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: I see no problem having discussions like this on meeting or mailing list ... that's why we have these | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: erm, I disagree | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | support -> openstack-glance | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, folks. Let's clear the confusion offline. | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | and you gate it 24h/7d | 14:24 |
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| flaper87 | s/gate/get/ | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reviews/Bugs/Releases | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | == flaper87 | 14:24 |
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| flaper87 | anywa, we're halfway through our meeting, lets move on | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | #info change default notification exchange name | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194548/ | 14:25 |
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| llu-laptop | so, this patch is meant to change the default exchange name for glance notification | 14:25 |
| llu-laptop | just like nova/cinder/etc | 14:25 |
| llu-laptop | from original 'openstack' to 'glance' | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | s/original/default/ | 14:26 |
| llu-laptop | sigmavirus24: thanks for the clarification | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | uuu, I just realized llu-laptop replied, I'm sorry about that | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | so, ceilo may listen by default on glance and that's fine | 14:26 |
| llu-laptop | yeah, need your reviews :) | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | What's the motivation for changing defauls? (besides others doing it) | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah I think I agree with llu-laptop | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I think we were supposed to have changed them when we adopted the notifications work | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's not that nova, et. all, are just doing this now | 14:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | It's that we never did it (if I understand correctly) | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | I understand it doesn't prohibit admins to set control_exchange | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | llu-laptop: sorry, can check the review right now, but what's the reasoning behind this. I'm really really reluctant to change our defaults lightly | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | my concern is that we're not warnning them that default has changed | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:28 |
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| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: gotcha, so a antique bug :) | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | which means, if there are other downstream apps listenting on the 'openstack' exchange, then we'll break them\ | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: it's an antique free-range artisinal bug | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ++ | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | heh | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | aaaaaaaand, this is part of the public API | 14:29 |
| llu-laptop | jokke_: follow the openstack norm, is my first motivation | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | well, not really public | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | but under-cloud public | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: I think the real question is "Does anyone really listen to notifications?" =P | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | llu-laptop: I think your change is fine | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: we'll never know until we break them | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: :) notifications public? | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | but I'd assume yes | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: my point exactly | 14:29 |
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| sigmavirus24 | so let's change them and find out what happens =P | 14:29 |
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| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: I'll give them your home address | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: they are in the under-cloud | 14:30 |
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| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: yeah that's fine | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | say you have your own billing service, you may want to listen there | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | I have an extra bed or two I could loan them | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: can you give me your home address ? | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | second level, right. tfter som processing. so... | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | llu-laptop: I don't mind changing it given it makes more consistent/ Just want to ensure that we have it done right. | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: so the thing is that operators may already be changing this to do billing right | 14:30 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Can we send a message to openstack-operators asking for feedback | 14:30 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Like we can sit here and guess at the impact, or we can ask the people who know | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | Seriously guys, you're ok breaking our next upgrade just for cosmetics?!?!? | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: I'm trolling | 14:31 |
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| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: I'm all for changing it but I'd like to see if there's a way to avoid the breakage OR at least have a warnning | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | llu-laptop: these flags seem important to get people attn: DocImpact, UpgradeImpact and the email shoutout like sigmavirus24 mentioned | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | and deprecate it | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | oh and yeah, what nikhil_k just said | 14:31 |
| llu-laptop | nikhil_k: got that, will put those into commit message | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | My point is that assumption is the mother of all fuck ups | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | or most of them | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | and I don't feel comfortable assuming people have control_exchange=glance already | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | I said "may" not "probably" | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | so, my two options are: 1) We change it in a way we don't break it | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | 2) we deprecate it the right way | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm fine with saying that we're changing this in M | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | 2 means, we change it in M | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | You have L to set it correctly | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | right | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | +1 | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | so L having deprecation warning of the old option and M changing the default | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | I'd be fine with that | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | #action llu-laptop : ensure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194548 has mention and work done for -- L having deprecation warning of the old option and M changing the default | 14:34 |
| llu-laptop | jokke_: it's not deprecating old options, but changing the default value | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | oh right | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | #action llu-laptop : ensure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194548 has mention and work done for -- L having deprecation warning of the change in default and M changing the default | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | llu-laptop: sorry for giving trouble for such a small change but breaking backwards compatibility is something that we try really freaking hard not to do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYKdmo9Rg2s | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | llu-laptop: yes old default value rather than option | 14:34 |
| llu-laptop | flaper87: understandable | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | llu-laptop: what I thought wasn't what I typed ;) | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | Let's move on | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | #info scrub images in parallel | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196240/ | 14:36 |
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| nikhil_k | guess hemanthm is away | 14:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | Why are we reducing that from 1000 to 100? | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | I had a chat with him | 14:37 |
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| jcook | +1 to scrub images in parallel | 14:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | "Oh to not overwhelm the swift cluster" | 14:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | (it as in the commit message) | 14:37 |
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| jcook | at Rackspace production scale it can't scrub all the images in serial | 14:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | jcook: right | 14:38 |
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| jokke_ | I think last time we discussed about this it was discarded because of the extra load the parallel scrubbing would cause, so rather do it slower, but ensuring that the services are not overloaded | 14:38 |
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| flaper87 | I haven't reviewed the patch but the idea sounds nice | 14:38 |
| jcook | I saw on the order of 10s of thousands in the backlog that in parallel cleared up rather quickly and not noticeable prod issues | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | Yeah, the alternative is to refactor the scrubber to enable it to do the deletes over the day/week etc | 14:39 |
| jcook | Swift is designed for parallel scaling for speed of downloads and uploads | 14:39 |
| jcook | yeah I have a spec for that | 14:40 |
| jcook | I think hemanthm is working with an intern on task scrubbing and maybe image scrubbing updates | 14:40 |
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| jokke_ | sorry not being able to check the review atm. but are/can we do that as configurable? | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | I agree that production deployments of swift should be able to handle this | 14:40 |
| jcook | in the short term though, the scrubber does not scale | 14:40 |
| jcook | and swift (in my experience) handles it fine | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | not necessarily devstack | 14:41 |
| * jokke_ would like to remind that we have other backends than just swift | 14:41 | |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 14:41 |
| jcook | that is true, make it configurable? | 14:41 |
| jcook | parallelizing deletes that is | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | I doubt if 100 threads would be too much for other backends | 14:42 |
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| jokke_ | I would prefer than ... I know that it's again one more thing to take in account when deploying, but it would be way safer bet than again assuming that based on experience with swift the others wouldn't be affected | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | /than/that/ | 14:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: shouldn't be a problem for the filesystem backend, http store doesn't allow deletes, cinder is broken miserably | 14:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | rbd? | 14:43 |
| jcook | either that or just make thread pool configurable and default 1 | 14:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: would that maybe be a problem for rbd (same question to sabari for vmware) | 14:43 |
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| nikhil_k | I doubt if vmwaer is using scrubber | 14:44 |
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| flaper87 | I don't think it would be a problem for RBD itself. What would worry me is: | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | if you're using rbd for nova, glance and cinder, you may be stressing it more than you want | 14:44 |
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| flaper87 | and vms/devices will be affected | 14:45 |
| kragniz | cinder should be less broken if this lands: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166414/ | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | so, having it configurable is definitely the right thing to do in this regard | 14:45 |
| jcook | #startvote What to do with scrubber? approve-it, config-for-parallel, config-for-thread-pool, config-both, other | 14:45 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 14:45 |
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| jcook | boo | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | #startvote What to do with scrubber? approve-it, config-for-parallel, config-for-thread-pool, config-both, other | 14:45 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | haha! :P | 14:45 |
| jcook | yay! | 14:45 |
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| nikhil_k1away | #startvote What to do with scrubber? approve-it, config-for-parallel, config-for-thread-pool, config-both, other | 14:46 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: What to do with scrubber? Valid vote options are approve-it, config-for-parallel, config-for-thread-pool, config-both, other. | 14:46 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:46 |
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| jcook | #vote approve-it | 14:46 |
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| jcook | but I'm ok with config too | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k1away | #chair nikhil_k | 14:46 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: nikhil_k | 14:46 |
| openstack | Current chairs: nikhil_k nikhil_k1away | 14:46 |
| tsekiyam | kragniz: yeah, I'd like to make it progress. Any reviews for it are appreciated | 14:46 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #vote config-both | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | #vote config-both | 14:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | Why not increase testing complexity? (He says semi-seriously) | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | #vote config-both | 14:46 |
| kragniz | #vote config-both | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | #vote config-for-thread-pool | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | config-for-thread-pool solves both problems | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | #vote config-both | 14:47 |
| jcook | yeah config for pool does solve both | 14:48 |
| jcook | though having an option to not use threads is fine | 14:48 |
| jcook | erm | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | 10 mins left | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | 12 to be precise | 14:48 |
| jcook | I guess we are using them either way | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 14:49 |
| jcook | #vote config-for-thread-pool | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | moving away from eventlet would be our goal when the entire ecosystem does so | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | if the entire ecosystem does so ;) | 14:49 |
| * jokke_ is really looking for that day | 14:49 | |
| nikhil_k | heh | 14:49 |
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| jokke_ | even more than deprecating v1 api | 14:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | #vote config-for-thread-pool | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | I hate eventlet | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: are we ever going to port glance to twisted? | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | is the vote still open? | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: I seriously would love that option | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | longest voting ever :P | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 14:50 |
| jcook | >_>; | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | #endflaper87vote | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | hahahaha | 14:50 |
| jcook | lol | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | people still voting, what can I do.. :P | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | #endvote | 14:50 |
| openstack | Voted on "What to do with scrubber?" Results are | 14:50 |
| openstack | config-for-thread-pool (3): sigmavirus24, nikhil_k, jcook | 14:50 |
| openstack | config-both (4): kragniz, mfedosin, jokke_, flaper87 | 14:50 |
| jcook | both it is | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | people are showing bitterness for more options in openstack | 14:51 |
| jcook | hemanthm: ^ | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | configurations to be precise | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 14:51 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: certain devs are ;) | 14:51 |
| tsekiyam | I'd like to make progress my proposal for implement upload/download to cinder glance_store. | 14:52 |
| tsekiyam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166414/ | 14:52 |
| mfedosin | afair we wanted to have artifacts 5min discussions | 14:52 |
| tsekiyam | This fix up the broken cinder backend. | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: what's up? You seemed antsy to move on? | 14:52 |
| tsekiyam | Any advice to make it forward? Does it help if I ask cinder experts for reviews for it? | 14:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: we have 9 minutes to have a 5 min discussion | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | what cinder backend? #joke | 14:52 |
| tsekiyam | lol | 14:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | tsekiyam: yeah having cinder SMEs look at it would be helpful | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: yep, let's do that if you | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: haha, all good. I was just doing some sigmavirus24trolling | 14:53 |
| mfedosin | so, just everyone to be aware of it... | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | you've time. I forgot to update the agenda and people had added items for today | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | tsekiyam: I'll review your patch and get back to you | 14:53 |
| mfedosin | Alex Tivelkov status: He is fighting with oslo.versioned object. He made several commit there, but they were reverted, because they broke nova and cinder. Now he's working on fixing it. | 14:53 |
| tsekiyam | okey, I'll ask someone in cinder devs to review it. | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: :( | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: but I'm happy he's working on that | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | that's a great cross-project effort | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | My and Darja status: We are working on the glance v3 client | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | Currently we have 3 commits there: | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: flaper87 do you guys have anything for drivers' meeting that happened this week? #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-06-30-14.02.html | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | initial one (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189860/) | 14:55 |
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| mfedosin | CRUD (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192261/) | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | blob operations (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197970/) | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | Also we have a commit in domain model https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197053/ and it wants an approve :) | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think worth of mentioning, I managed to troll flaper87 totally on the drivers meeting :P | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | Future plans are to start working on api stabilization with api-wg and move out from domain model to something more plain. | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: :) my guess is glance_store? | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: yup | 14:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: just the email flaper87 sent to the ML | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | thanks sigmavirus24 ! | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: :) | 14:56 |
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| nikhil_k | mfedosin: thanks for the update. I guess the action item is | 14:56 |
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| mfedosin | Also there is a good bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1469817 | 14:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469817 in Glance liberty "Glance doesn't handle exceptions from glance_store" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Mike Fedosin (mfedosin) | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | #action review needed for input for glanceclient artifacts support | 14:57 |
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| mfedosin | It was found by Alexei Galkin and now we have 39% test coverage instead of 38 :) | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | My idea to inherit all glance exceptions from similar glance_store exception and then catch glance_store exceptions on the upper level | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | ha | 14:58 |
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| mfedosin | God help us when there will be 42% | 14:58 |
| tsekiyam | mfedosin: they only says that "sorry for inconvenience" | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | We are out of time. | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ++ for the troll :D | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | sorry I got distracted | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 15:00:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-07-02-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-07-02-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-07-02-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | Thanks | 15:00 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 15:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 15:00 |
| kragniz | o/ | 15:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:00 |
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| TravT | hello everybody. | 15:01 |
| lakshmiS_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| TravT | give a min to see if other join | 15:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 15:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorry | 15:02 |
| TravT | let me try to track down sjmc7... | 15:03 |
| TravT | so, agenda is here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
| TravT | please add anything you'd like to talk about. | 15:04 |
| TravT | today, i mainly wanted to walk through bugs / blueprints | 15:04 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, anything else you had in mind | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: nope, I just got back from a long travel | 15:05 |
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| sigmavirus24 | "bugs" there are no bugs, just accidental features | 15:05 |
| nikhil_k | so cactchin up :) | 15:05 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: lol | 15:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: ^^ | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | hey | 15:06 |
| TravT | ok, so then | 15:06 |
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| TravT | #topic bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:06 | |
| * flaper87 reads | 15:07 | |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: LOL | 15:07 |
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| TravT | so i'll start with an easy one to discuss as it leads to another | 15:07 |
| TravT | i created a bug (could have been a bp) for setting a dev env | 15:07 |
| TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1470194 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470194 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Missing developer manual install docs" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Travis Tripp (travis-tripp) | 15:07 |
| TravT | i think it is done. | 15:07 |
| TravT | just addressed some minor comments from krykowski | 15:08 |
| TravT | but it the process of that lakshmi and I remembered that we have a problem with notification listening | 15:08 |
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| TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1470627 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470627 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Searchlight does not receive notification when deployed in same env as Ceilometer" [High,New] | 15:09 |
| TravT | sjmc7 originally found this while working on our summit demo | 15:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | oof | 15:10 |
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| sjmc7 | i never definitely confirmed it | 15:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | that hurts | 15:10 |
| TravT | sjmc7 or lakshmiS can you characterize a bit of what we think the problem is | 15:10 |
| TravT | sjmc7, i confirmed it yesterday | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | but it would explain some behavior i saw | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | the problem is | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | that we're sharing notifications with ceilometer, so to rabbitmq ceilometer and searchlight look like the same consumer | 15:10 |
| TravT | when i killed the ceilometer processes, notifications flowed. | 15:11 |
| lakshmiS_ | ceilometer also listens on the same glance notification info | 15:11 |
| lakshmiS_ | and searchlight doesnt seem to recieve it when ceilometer is running | 15:11 |
| lakshmiS_ | i was trying to create a pool name to isolate it but still troubleshooting it | 15:12 |
| TravT | ok, so lakshmiS_ does that mean you can take ownership of this bug? | 15:13 |
| lakshmiS_ | sure | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | being able to set up a separate consumer would be a much neater fix than having to have services send requests to multiple topics | 15:13 |
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| TravT | anybody have any ideas to help lakshmiS_ out? | 15:14 |
| lakshmiS_ | yeah that the idea behind a pool name as an namespace which oslo messaging should send it multiple consumers but somehow not working | 15:14 |
| TravT | ok, i guess we can move on. | 15:16 |
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| TravT | next bug seems pretty small. not much to say about it. | 15:16 |
| TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1469336 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469336 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Errors are returned as html" [Undecided,New] | 15:16 |
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| TravT | so moving on #topic blueprints https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:17 |
| TravT | #topic blueprints https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:17 |
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| TravT | ekarlso has done some great work on getting a devstack plugin going | 15:18 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/devstack-plugin | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | yay! | 15:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: agreed | 15:18 |
| TravT | I tested it quite a bit yesterday | 15:18 |
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| TravT | found a few things and he addressed overnight | 15:18 |
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| TravT | i just was almost done testing it again this morning | 15:18 |
| TravT | hit an odd error, that I think was my fault | 15:18 |
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| TravT | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194251/ | 15:19 |
| TravT | but this is a bit tricky to test. | 15:19 |
| TravT | I'd like to suggest that we don't all nitpick this patch too much | 15:19 |
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| TravT | because it enables everybody and is kinda difficult to test in current state | 15:20 |
| TravT | because of the way devstack plugins work. | 15:20 |
| TravT | you kind of have to install devstack twice | 15:20 |
| TravT | i put some notes in a comment yesterday | 15:20 |
| TravT | on that. | 15:20 |
| TravT | but hopefully we can get it in and then improve from there | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | agree about not nitpicking too much,although i would like to get the entrypoints tidied up | 15:21 |
| TravT | well, that is a chicken or the egg kind of thing right? | 15:21 |
| TravT | you are referring to #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196750/ | 15:22 |
| TravT | ? | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | it's an ordering issue, yes | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, i guess it doesn't matter which way round | 15:22 |
| TravT | both are marked as essential. | 15:23 |
| TravT | so, just walking down through the bp's | 15:23 |
| TravT | next is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/glance-metadef-plugin | 15:23 |
| TravT | sjmc7 are metadefs basically done? | 15:24 |
| TravT | at least for first pass? | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | i *think* so, though i'd like someone who understands them to test it | 15:25 |
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| sjmc7 | in particular i think updates may need looking at. the original was very complicated and relied heavily on database access | 15:25 |
| TravT | any volunteers to look through that? lakshmiS_? | 15:26 |
| lakshmiS_ | i think kamil would be a better person, but i can also check | 15:26 |
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| TravT | ok, let's ping kamil. he's been pretty active recently. | 15:26 |
| TravT | i will be looking at them from a consumer standpoint shortly. | 15:27 |
| TravT | ok, so next is nova. | 15:27 |
| TravT | nikhil_k owns it, but i believe sjmc7 you were going to do an initial drop of the summit demo POC code? | 15:28 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/nova-instances-plugin | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, i was. i will try and do it today | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | or over the weekend | 15:28 |
| * nikhil_k needs to consult nova folks about object versioning and indexing | 15:28 | |
| sjmc7 | yeah, i'm not getting involved with that :) | 15:28 |
| TravT | ok, well, i guess if you can just update the blueprint with what you know. | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | i'll get an initial review up when i can | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | missed my meeting with john this week, I will try to schedule one next and update | 15:30 |
| TravT | sjmc7, it is a holiday weekend, so not asking you to work over it! | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | that's going to happen anyway unfortunately | 15:30 |
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| TravT | in my doc patch, i have started a rst for glance plugin as an initial landing place for documenting the plugins | 15:31 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197232/8/doc/source/plugins/glance.rst | 15:31 |
| TravT | we'll want to do the same for other plugins | 15:31 |
| TravT | so, maybe what you find out nikhil_k could go in rst file like that | 15:31 |
| TravT | in patch | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: sure | 15:32 |
| TravT | thanks | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | #action nikhil_k : add infromation on nova pluging reqs to documentation | 15:32 |
| TravT | next up is indexing cli | 15:32 |
| TravT | bp is basically blank at this point. | 15:32 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/indexing-cli | 15:32 |
| * nikhil_k is half asleep/tired | 15:32 | |
| TravT | i'm wondering how this relates to the entrypoints | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | i don't know what this is :) | 15:33 |
| TravT | there was some discussion about it in brainstorming session | 15:33 |
| TravT | ahh... now i remember | 15:34 |
| TravT | this is diff than searchlight-index | 15:34 |
| TravT | this is more like the glanceclient has a cli | 15:34 |
| TravT | i seem to remember kragniz being opinionated on this, but since the BP is basically blank and I filed it, I'll try to first clarify from old notes | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | wrapper around API? then why just on index? | 15:35 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, idk | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | may be we can ask on that BP? | 15:36 |
| TravT | yeah, if you can fill in anything on it, please do. | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | and ask for differentiation between searchlight-index ? | 15:36 |
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| TravT | any other comments on CLI to add here? | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | i think this was to aboid having to run the equiv of glance-manage | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | something you could use to force indexing from elsewhere | 15:38 |
| TravT | i would like to see the index command API make a comeback | 15:39 |
| TravT | iirc that got ripped out of what landed in glance | 15:39 |
| TravT | i mean, it never made it into glance | 15:39 |
| TravT | and so we still don't have it | 15:39 |
| sjmc7 | i've no objection to doing that. the plumbing is mostly there | 15:39 |
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| TravT | so, i suppose that means a new BP for the API first | 15:40 |
| TravT | Anybody willing to file it? I think we could copy paste from our original spec in glance. | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | if nobody else wants to do it i'll volunteer and hopefully not forget this one too | 15:41 |
| TravT | lol | 15:41 |
| lakshmiS_ | you mean the original spec? | 15:41 |
| TravT | we had a whole section in the original spec on an index management API... | 15:41 |
| TravT | that's basically the BP i'm talking about filing | 15:42 |
| lakshmiS_ | yeah i can do that too | 15:42 |
| TravT | ok. cool | 15:42 |
| TravT | next up functional tests | 15:42 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/set-up-functional-tests | 15:42 |
| TravT | anybody willing to take ownership? | 15:42 |
| TravT | guess we'll have to come back to that. | 15:44 |
| lakshmiS_ | i have some of the RBAC sceanarios that brian has given previously which i can add some of them but not all the tests | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: ++ | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | we keep getting caught up on what we mean by functional tests | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | lakshmiS_: I can pair with you on adding more covrage | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | there's the patch that was never merged into glance that i did, but last week it sounded like that wasn't what people want | 15:44 |
| TravT | lakshmiS_, you don't have to own the whole thing. | 15:44 |
| lakshmiS_ | nikhil_k: sure | 15:44 |
| ekarlso | oii guys | 15:44 |
| ekarlso | sorry I just got back home ;) | 15:45 |
| TravT | o/ ekarlso | 15:45 |
| TravT | we praised your devstack work earlier | 15:45 |
| TravT | i had hoped to have it re-tested by the start of this meeting | 15:45 |
| TravT | but got a weird erro. | 15:45 |
| TravT | r | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: I think we agreed to take that route for now (merge that patch) and refactor testing | 15:45 |
| TravT | might ping you afterwords | 15:45 |
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| nikhil_k | refactor testing later (in early M) | 15:46 |
| ekarlso | use the project room after then TravT :) | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i've not had time to do that this week | 15:46 |
| ekarlso | i'll volunteer partially for testing btw :) | 15:46 |
| TravT | :) | 15:46 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, that is what I remember as well | 15:46 |
| TravT | ok, so if somebody can take it as being assigned to them, it doesn't mean you own everything | 15:47 |
| TravT | next up is horizon integration for images | 15:48 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/horizon-integration-images | 15:48 |
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| TravT | i'm working towards that | 15:48 |
| TravT | i've filed a couple blueprints in horizon. | 15:48 |
| TravT | we have a chain of things that have to happen | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | lakshmiS_: ekarlso and I can be coassignees (added in the notes) | 15:48 |
| lakshmiS_ | ok | 15:48 |
| TravT | thanks guys! | 15:48 |
| TravT | basically in horizon, we are trying to angularize the tables. | 15:49 |
| TravT | so, we have to get the images table angularized first. | 15:49 |
| TravT | which is also dependent on a bunch of other work going on that david-lyle and i are supporting | 15:49 |
| TravT | but, i have a personal goal of getting a first pass at angularizing the images table next week. | 15:50 |
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| sjmc7 | :) | 15:50 |
| TravT | and want to have some initial integration attempt with searchlight by the horizon mid-cycle in a 2-ish weeks. | 15:51 |
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| ekarlso | i'll be pushing designate support also very soon | 15:51 |
| TravT | this is intended to serve two purposes. first is to figure out what more needs to be done in horizon, but second, help drive any improvements to our API. | 15:51 |
| TravT | ok. so that's it for high's. | 15:53 |
| TravT | kragniz: how is the "remove from glance" going? | 15:53 |
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| * TravT maybe he dropped. | 15:54 | |
| kragniz | TravT: it's going well | 15:54 |
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| TravT | anything needed from us? | 15:54 |
| kragniz | all tests are passing, appart from a requirements issue that wasn't related | 15:54 |
| kragniz | apart from reviews, not much | 15:55 |
| kragniz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197043/ | 15:55 |
| TravT | we are almost out of time, but i wanted to ask about two other BP's. swift and neutron. | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197043/ | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | havn't had a chance to look at neutron | 15:56 |
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| TravT | kragniz, have you, mclaren, lakshmiS_ been able to make progress with the swift team? | 15:56 |
| lakshmiS_ | yeah i also wanted to know from stuart if he heard any further on the swift? | 15:56 |
| kragniz | TravT: not much from us | 15:57 |
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| kragniz | mclaren's away for a few days | 15:57 |
| lakshmiS_ | last thing i saw was a note from stuart on a similar spec in swift | 15:57 |
| TravT | ok. well, let's talk next week when stuart is back. just don't want that team to move along without us. | 15:58 |
| TravT | ekarlso, from a priority standpoint, we can bump up designate plugin if you are gonna be working on it. | 15:59 |
| TravT | and we should talk with david-lyle re: horizon priority | 15:59 |
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| TravT | I just wanted to thank everybody for the progress we made. | 16:00 |
| david-lyle | horizon priority for? | 16:00 |
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| TravT | i think going from not a project to being a project with a repo and (almost) installable via devstack in one milestone is great progress! | 16:00 |
| TravT | david-lyle: time is up. let's chat in the room | 16:01 |
| david-lyle | sure | 16:01 |
| TravT | thanks everybody! | 16:01 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 16:01:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-02-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-02-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-02-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 16:01:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | moo | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | oom | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:01 |
| palendae | o/ | 16:02 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:02 |
| alextricity | Hey | 16:02 |
| TheIntern | o/ | 16:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sigmavirus24: little-endian cow | 16:02 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:02 |
| alextricity | hah | 16:02 |
| evrardjp | hello | 16:02 |
| b3rnard0 | howdy | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | #topic Blueprints | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me hughsaunders miguelgrinberg sigmavirus24 how goes the fed sp idp efforts ? | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/keystone-federation | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/keystone-sp-adfs-idp | 16:03 |
| miguelgrinberg | cloudnull: idp is blocked on the keystone v3 module, but otherwise in good shape | 16:03 |
| hughsaunders | cloudnull: ok... currently having some gating issues with getting the v3 update for keystone module in | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | Keystone v3 module upgrades are soo close | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | So for those who don't know, we've been working on adding federation configuration to os-ansible-deployment. ^ | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | We sent out a mail to the openstack-operators and openstack-dev mailing lists to request feedback on the first spec which is near ready. | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | has there been any traction on that so far? | 16:05 |
| hughsaunders | A few approving replies | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | We have working prototypes for both the keystone2keystone federation, and just today we managed to get the ADFS-keystone federation working too. | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | I'll spend tomorrow updating the two specs to refect what we've learned and to adjust the use-cases for the first as we've discovered that keystone in kilo is not ready to be a full IdP. | 16:06 |
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| cloudnull | ok | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | I've seen a few comments trickling in on the spec reviews, but we'd like more attention on that from everyone here if possible today before I iterate it tomorrow. | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | Next up, ceilometer . #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173067 | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | alextricity: ^ | 16:07 |
| alextricity | It's ready for reviews. There was a merge conflict this morning so a new patch set was neede | 16:08 |
| alextricity | needed* | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | the patch as is LGTM . and now has doc dep thats following it | 16:08 |
| alextricity | ^ | 16:09 |
| alextricity | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198025/2 | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I've gone through it and it looks good from a code standpoint. | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | i have it up and running on a few boxes and it works. | 16:09 |
| alextricity | I've also done testing and metrics are reporting back normally | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | I'd like to see some testing feedback from anyone who has a gap to try it out. | 16:09 |
| alextricity | The database connection looks good too | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | thats all we have in the way of open bps being worked on . | 16:10 |
| alextricity | I'll just need cloudnull and odyssey4me to give it another +1 with the new patch set | 16:11 |
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| cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:11 |
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| cloudnull | to build up on what we were talking about last week . | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | Defining the project mission - odyssey4me | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | we now have a wiki page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackAnsible | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | and i've posted a WIP manifesto | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-manifesto | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | that i'd like people to tear apart | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull nice work! | 16:13 |
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| evrardjp | to avoid losing people over different wiki pages, I'd like to add a link of this new wiki page on the main repo documentation | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | sometime in the next week or so i'd like to pul lthat out of the wiki and PR it to the main repo | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | evrardjp: ++ | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull +1 | 16:14 |
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| cloudnull | so lets chew on that for the next week or so. | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | next: | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | What is our roadmap like? Will making fernet tokens in keystone be an 11.1.0 feature? palendae | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | we have https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.1.0 | 16:16 |
| alextricity | nice! this manifesto answers all the questions that i've been asked about osad | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | which is looking good so far. | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: I think it should be an 11.1.0 feature | 16:16 |
| palendae | cloudnull: That one's my bad, should have removed that after last week | 16:16 |
| palendae | We already discussed it and I think it was agreed it's 11.1.0 | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | i know palendae, just building up on what we talked about. | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull should we be targeting the federation blueprints for 11.1.0 too? | 16:17 |
| palendae | cloudnull: Yep | 16:17 |
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| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: if we can get them in shape for 11.1.0, why not? | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: do we think it will be ready for 11.1.0 ? | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | if so i say yes | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | if no then we'll do it for 11.2.0 | 16:18 |
| b3rnard0 | is cloudnull asking for an estimate? | 16:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | b3rnard0: nope | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | # /kick b3rnard0 | 16:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | Just a guess | 16:18 |
| palendae | guesstimate | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull I think there's a fair chance that we'll be code ready - not necessarily docs ready | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | miguelgrinberg hughsaunders your thoughts? | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | and odyssey4me version numbers are cheap, if it merges for master a day after we drop 11.1 im happy to rev to 11.2 within the next cycle. | 16:19 |
| miguelgrinberg | when's 11.1.0? | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | but if its ship shape for 11.1 then lets do it | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | how about we target for 11.1 and review in the final week before d day? | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | ok | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | fair | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | I don't recall us discussing the due date, by the way? Was that date chosen for any special reason? | 16:20 |
| hughsaunders | gating not withstanding, I think we are quite close | 16:20 |
| palendae | miguelgrinberg: https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.1.0 says 17/7/2015 | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | it was chosen as being two weeks after the 11.0.4 drop | 16:20 |
| miguelgrinberg | and besides, none of this is going to be enabled by default, so the normal use cases are safe | 16:20 |
| miguelgrinberg | I think we can make it for the 17th, yes | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | miguelgrinberg true | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | before we can target these items we need to target the specs, thus https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194147/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194255/ need to be reviewed | 16:21 |
| miguelgrinberg | wrost case we get federation bugs, which we fix for the next one | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | so cores typie typie. | 16:21 |
| palendae | you mean votie votie? | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | no | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | typie typie | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | you need to give -1s with feedback | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | yup, I'll update the specs tomorrow based on feedback and lessons learned - hopefully we can do final votes on the specs next week | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | #action odyssey4me to update the specs for federation. | 16:23 |
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| cloudnull | moving on. | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | #topic Reviews | 16:24 |
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| cloudnull | 11.0.4 is coming soon we need the following items worked on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:cloudnull+status:open,n,z | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | and if there are issues that need backports from https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/11.0.4 we need to do that too | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | the keystone fernet update needs love for master. | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195853/ | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | it looks like its been generaly accepted however we need another core to merge it. | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | presently we're gating on a fernet token system that has a few issues, which are corrected by that patch. | 16:28 |
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| cloudnull | another review in need of some attention is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181957/ | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | which is for ceph client support. | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | svg: ^ | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | looks like svg is going to post a new review soon . | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | but if we have folks with more ceph experience it would be great to get more reviews on that. | 16:31 |
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| cloudnull | most of this was mentioned on the ML | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068362.html | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, I'd like to ask everyone reviewing that to also pay attention to the ceph-ansible playbooks - we don't need any clashes in variables between the two. | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | #link https://github.com/ceph/ceph-ansible | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | I agree, while I admit that it doesn't mean that ceph need to/will be deployed by ansible, so the importance of it could be reduced... | 16:34 |
| palendae | Yeah, as about to ask | 16:34 |
| palendae | Are we assuming that Ceph is deployed with ceph-ansible only? | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | no, | 16:34 |
| andymccr | i dont think its an assumption, but if you wanted to and the vars overlapped it could create difficulties | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | we're simply assuming that there is a ceph cluster available. | 16:34 |
| palendae | Or are you just asking to be sure we don't have duplicate variable names in case a deployer does use both? | 16:35 |
| palendae | Ok andymccr, makes sense | 16:35 |
| palendae | I misunderstood | 16:35 |
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| cloudnull | so anything else we want to mention regarding open reviews? | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | moving on | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | #topic Bugs | 16:37 |
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| cloudnull | do we have an open issues that we want to highlight and or work on ? | 16:37 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible | 16:37 |
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| cloudnull | we have 73 open issues, most of which are low/wishlist items so imo we're looking quite good | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | BjoernT: nothing ? | 16:39 |
| andymccr | yeh i think if you remove fix commited its 41 and most of those are assigned already | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | scielence is acceptance | 16:40 |
| BjoernT | Thanks for asking, I have nothing special for today. I will go over the wishlist next week | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | ok | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | sounds good | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:40 |
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| cloudnull | does anyone have anything that they want to talk about? the floor is yours. | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | it might be a good idea in the bug triage meeting to look at new bugs, but also to revisit old bugs | 16:41 |
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| cloudnull | in the last few we've been focusing on new/high and some of the incomplete, but it may be a good idea to start picking through the wishlist | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | and other items. | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | lets give it a go next tuesday ? | 16:42 |
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| odyssey4me | other than that, I would like to ask that we not get into the bad habit of prematurely backporting patches - it makes reviewing them take longer because you have to verify that the backport is the same as the master patch... and quite often the master patch goes through several iterations | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | we've ended up having patches land in other branches before master by mistake | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | +1 | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | +1 | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | should there be a timeframe odyssey4me? | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | if you backport from gerrit once the patch in master has merged, the cherry-pick message will be done properly | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | I'd say that once a patch has +w its ok to bp | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp no timeframe - just no backport until the master patch has merged | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | I agree. | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull +w is fine too if there's a time crunch or something... but that takes more time as the backporter will have to do the backport form the CLI | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | this is true. if you dont know the git CLI you should wait for the patch to merge into master. | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | :p | 16:46 |
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| cloudnull | ok motion carries . | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | #action we will no longer backport things from master until its been +w / merged into master. | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | what else we got ? | 16:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | nada here | 16:49 |
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| cloudnull | then we're done here IMO . | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | imo too | 16:49 |
| palendae | Yep, don't have anything either | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | back to typey typey | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | sounds good . | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | \o/ | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | great work on everything in flight guys | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | and thanks | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 16:50:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-07-02-16.01.html | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-07-02-16.01.txt | 16:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-07-02-16.01.log.html | 16:50 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 17:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
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| vikram_ | hi | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: hi | 17:00 |
| vikram_ | cathy: hi | 17:01 |
| xgerman | hi | 17:01 |
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| cathy_ | let's wait for a little bit for others to join. | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | xgerman: hi | 17:01 |
| Swami | hi | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | Swami: hi | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | OK, let's start now. | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | here are some topics I have in mind for today's discussion. 1.Service chain spec status https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192933/5 2.Repository for Neutron client code to support service chain project 3.Vikram update on discussion with Yuji regarding flow classifier included in SFC spec and implemented in SFC project as a independent module which can be used in the future by other features | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | any other topic ? | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | #topic Service chain spec status https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192933/5 | 17:04 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: hi | 17:05 |
| s3wong | cathy_: hello | 17:05 |
| jwarendt | hi | 17:05 |
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| cathy_ | many people have given comments to the spec and the spec has been updated many versions to address those comments. | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | jwarendt: hi | 17:06 |
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| cathy_ | In our last last IRC meeting, we agreed that we should finalize the spec on June 24. Now we have given it one more week. So it is now time to merge the spec. OK with everyone? | 17:07 |
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| cathy_ | Anyone has different opinion? | 17:08 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: let's do it :-) | 17:08 |
| Swami | Let us wait till the end of this week. | 17:08 |
| amotoki_ | cathy_: one question. do you plan to update the current version? inline answers are hard to be tracked later. | 17:09 |
| pcarver | This spec only addresses "serial" chains, right? I don't see a way of scaling out in parallel. | 17:09 |
| Swami | or shall we go ahead and merge it right now. | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | amotoki_: it is already updated | 17:09 |
| amotoki_ | i don't oppose to merge itself, but just would like to clarify. | 17:09 |
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| amotoki_ | cathy_: woops. got it.The above link was old :-( | 17:10 |
| s3wong | Swami: unless you think we are going to comment on it during the ID4 weekend... | 17:10 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes, its scope is serial chain if we mean the same by "serial" | 17:10 |
| pcarver | I'd like to see scale out, i.e. multiple VMs in parallel at a given link in the chain, but I could see how that might need to be a second phase and a later addition to the spec. | 17:10 |
| Swami | no I did see there are some comments from vikram. So if we are going to roll it, why not give it another couple of days, so that we can collect all the input and do a single roll. | 17:11 |
| vikram_ | Swami: My comments are more about semantics and elaboration.. design wise i am fine. | 17:11 |
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| Swami | vikram_: yes I understand, but still should we not roll it address those comments. | 17:12 |
| vikram_ | Swami: Ok | 17:12 |
| Swami | vikram_: I am not saying that there is a major change that need to happen. | 17:12 |
| pcarver | cathy_: I think so. This approach to service chaining assumes that all the traffic in the chain can be handled by every VM in the chain. No support for splitting the load among VMs. | 17:12 |
| Swami | pcarver: can't we extend that use case later. | 17:13 |
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| vikram_ | Swami: Ok; +1 | 17:13 |
| pcarver | pcarver: I'm fine with adding it later as long as there's nothing that would prevent it. | 17:13 |
| Swami | pcarver: we don't wan't to address too many use cases and then not able to complete the implemetation in time. | 17:13 |
| pcarver | Swami: I agree | 17:13 |
| Swami | ok then let us proceed. | 17:14 |
| amotoki_ | question from newcomer to this meeting. Is there any pointers which describe the scope of the initial work? | 17:14 |
| pcarver | Swami: better to get a first iteration out as long as it doesn't preclude later expansion | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | Swami: so you are OK with that we ask for core members to approve it, right? | 17:14 |
| amotoki_ | my question looks similar from pcarver. | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: No, it does not preclude later extension. | 17:14 |
| Swami | cathy_:=1 | 17:15 |
| Swami | cathy_:+1 | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: agree with you that we'd better get the first iteration out, otherwise we will never start:-) | 17:15 |
| pcarver | cathy_: +1 | 17:16 |
| amotoki_ | cathy_: +1. One suggestion is to document the scope of the first iteration. | 17:16 |
| s3wong | cathy_: +1 | 17:16 |
| vikram_ | cathy, pcarver :+1 | 17:16 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: +1 | 17:17 |
| amotoki_ | by doing so we can avoid the same discussions/questions again and again. | 17:17 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: bingo.. | 17:17 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 17:18 |
| vikram_ | :) | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | OK, let's do a formal vote (sorry you have to do again). I will type #startvote, then you type #vote | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | #startvote yes or no | 17:18 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 17:18 |
| s3wong | openstack doesn't like it :-0 | 17:18 |
| xgerman | starvote question? Yes or No | 17:18 |
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| cathy_ | oops, it does not work. OK, I guess these +1 counts. | 17:19 |
| Swami | cathy_: yes +1 counts | 17:19 |
| s3wong | or just +1 on the gerrit itself? | 17:19 |
| vikram_ | +1 | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | Swami: good :-) | 17:19 |
| xgerman | I think we have consensus | 17:19 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: yes, like your suggestion. Please everyone go to the Gerrit spec to give +1 | 17:20 |
| s3wong | cathy_: just voted | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | xgerman: yes | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | cool, let's go to next topic | 17:20 |
| amotoki_ | I think we can check api spec and document the first iteration scope in separate reviews. | 17:21 |
| amotoki_ | so we can go forward. | 17:21 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki_: yes | 17:21 |
| cathy_ | #agreed everyone agreed (give +1) that the spec is now ready to be approved by the core members, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192933/5 | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | #topic 2.Repository for Neutron client code to support service chain project | 17:23 |
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| cathy_ | vikram and Swami : any input on this? | 17:23 |
| Mohankumar_ | hi cathy | 17:23 |
| vikram_ | cathy: i have checked other repo's, they just keep the updated files only. | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | Mohankumar_: hi | 17:24 |
| Swami | cathy_: as I mentioned before we should be using the same repo "networking-sfc" for any client side changes that are specific to sfc. | 17:24 |
| Mohankumar_ | shall we split cli into two parts | 17:24 |
| Swami | cathy_: here is an example. | 17:24 |
| Mohankumar_ | [1] port chain [2] FLowfliter | 17:24 |
| amotoki_ | I agree with Swami as the main maintainer of neutroncleint. | 17:25 |
| Swami | cathy_: #link https://github.com/openstack/networking-l2gw/tree/master/networking_l2gw/l2gatewayclient | 17:25 |
| vikram_ | https://github.com/openstack/networking-bgpvpn/tree/master/networking_bgpvpn/neutronclient/neutron/v2_0/bgpvpn | 17:25 |
| Swami | cathy_: the l2gateway folks did similar thing in the networking-l2gw repo,so we should follow the same model. | 17:25 |
| amotoki_ | neutronclient has plugin mechanism and you can define a class of sfc command lines. | 17:25 |
| amotoki_ | another option is the way l2gw folks does. | 17:25 |
| amotoki_ | they have separate CLI. | 17:25 |
| Swami | amotoki_: which one do you prefer, the former or the later | 17:26 |
| amotoki_ | I don't have a strong opinion on this. | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | Mohankumar_: yes, let's split the CLI into two parts | 17:26 |
| pcarver | we want to share the flow classifier with other functions such as QoS, right? | 17:26 |
| amotoki_ | personally I am wondering OSC integration but it is a slow progress. | 17:26 |
| vikram_ | Swami, amotoki: My confusion is how about the base files which will need changes | 17:27 |
| Swami | vikram_: when you say base files are you talking about the "shell.py". | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes, so let's split the CLI into two parts , one for port chain , another for flow classifier | 17:27 |
| vikram_ | eg: client.py / shell.py | 17:27 |
| amotoki_ | vikram_: base files? could you elaborate more? | 17:27 |
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| vikram_ | ex: shell.py | 17:28 |
| pcarver | cathy_: good, that makes sense | 17:28 |
| amotoki_ | vikram_: let me find a link. | 17:28 |
| amotoki_ | I think the contrib mechanism works: https://github.com/openstack/python-neutronclient/tree/master/neutronclient/neutron/v2_0/contrib | 17:29 |
| amotoki_ | I don't cover the detail now. you can reach me later. | 17:29 |
| Mohankumar_ | I was splited cli s and submitted neutron client changes [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197014/ [2]https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197040/ | 17:30 |
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| vikram_ | amotoki: thanks for sharing but my question is we might need some common files in the repo already | 17:30 |
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| cathy_ | Mohankumar_: thanks. Everyone please review the neutron client changes. | 17:30 |
| amotoki_ | Mohankumar_: let me check later | 17:31 |
| vikram_ | otherwise when we raise a patch for review then diff for common files like shell.py and client.py will be not accurate | 17:31 |
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| vikram_ | amotoki_: you got my question? | 17:31 |
| Mohankumar_ | thansk Cathy_ ,amotoki_ | 17:31 |
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| amotoki_ | vikram_: which one? if it s about shell.py, I think I answered. | 17:32 |
| amotoki_ | vikram_: the contrib mechanism. I can share more detail later. | 17:32 |
| vikram_ | amotoki_: ok.. I will take this offline | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | Swami: what's your input about vikram's quesiton on "otherwise when we raise a patch for review then diff for common files like shell.py and client.py will be not accurate"? | 17:33 |
| vikram_ | eq: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197014/1/networking_sfc/python-neutronclient/neutronclient/shell.py | 17:33 |
| Swami | cathy_: I think vikram_ can discuss this with amotoki_ since he might be able to provide the right direction since he is the core on the neutron_client. | 17:34 |
| Brian__ | I think client code should be in different repository from network-sfc:-) | 17:34 |
| amotoki_ | neutron client does not have a separete core team | 17:34 |
| vikram_ | Swami, cathy_: ok will discuss with amotoki_ | 17:34 |
| cathy_ | great. | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | #action vikram discuss with amotoki_ about neutron client repository | 17:35 |
| s3wong | yeah, normally client is in a different repo, but maintained by the same set of core | 17:36 |
| cathy_ | now can we go to next topic? | 17:36 |
| Mohankumar_ | i need json resposes to verify my horizon code | 17:36 |
| Mohankumar_ | any can help on this ? | 17:37 |
| amotoki_ | Mohankumar_: is it a topic for open discussion? if so we can go to the next topic in the agenda. | 17:37 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: Mohankuamr_ need neutron-server changes for verifying horizon changes | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | Mohankumar_: OK, Brian can work with you offline on that, OK with you? | 17:37 |
| Mohankumar_ | okay cathy_ | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: I will work with Mohankumar_ on the server side | 17:38 |
| vikram_ | cathy_:thanks | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | #topic 3.Vikram update on discussion with Yuji regarding flow classifier included in SFC spec and implemented in SFC project as a independent module which can be used in the future by other features | 17:38 |
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| -amotoki_- longest meeting I have ever seen | 17:38 | |
| -amotoki_- longest topic I have ever seen | 17:39 | |
| s3wong | :-) | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | :-) | 17:39 |
| vikram_ | Yuji agreed that flow classifier and Classifier spec are identical | 17:39 |
| Swami | vikram_: but is he going to drop his spec and follow ours. | 17:40 |
| Swami | vikram_: if both are the same we need to add our input in his spec and either combine the both into one or else get rid of the other. | 17:40 |
| s3wong | vikram_, Swami: yeah, I thought cathy_ mentioned classifier definition would be part of SFC spec? | 17:40 |
| vikram_ | Swami: Yuji's only concerns is that the flow classifier spec is proposed in SFC and can it be applicable to neutron? | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: thanks for the update. | 17:40 |
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| cathy_ | Swami: since flow classifier is a must for our SFC feature, we have included it in the SFC spec. | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes | 17:41 |
| Swami | vikram_: so in that case, if we want to make the Flow classifier generic, then we should follow Yuji's spec and make it generic so that it can be extended later. | 17:41 |
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| vikram_ | Swami: +! | 17:42 |
| amotoki_ | Swami: +1 | 17:42 |
| s3wong | vikram_: and if we make classifier generic, it may need to get into Neturon repo, and SFC would have a dependency on this development | 17:42 |
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| vikram_ | Swami: I feel the current proposal is also generic | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | Swami: the flow classifier in our spec is also generic since they are exactly the same. Implementing it inside SFC project does not mean it can not be done in a generic way and be used by other features. | 17:42 |
| Swami | s3wong: yes if we make it generic then we need to dependent on that spec. | 17:43 |
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| amotoki_ | SFC is a first consumer of flow classifier and we first need to clarify what is needed for SFC | 17:43 |
| vikram_ | s3wong: in the end sfc developed code will also be merged to neutron :) | 17:43 |
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| Swami | vikram_: cathy_: I think we are going in circles. | 17:43 |
| amotoki_ | and then discuss how to make it more general. | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: Yes, that is a key point. We do not like to create a dependency on another new project. | 17:44 |
| s3wong | vikram_: in that case, we may the spec part of networking-sfc spec, and have the development done in network-sfc repo | 17:44 |
| vikram_ | s3wong: +1 | 17:44 |
| amotoki_ | Options are (1) we discuss the generic model first or (2) we conclude what is required as SFC project. | 17:44 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: +1 | 17:44 |
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| Swami | cathy_: vikram_: my concern is if we don't get to consensus on the flow classifier today with Yuji then it would end up in two different implementations. | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | amotoki_: it is required ad SFC project, no doubt. Without it we cna not say we deliver the SFC feature | 17:45 |
| s3wong | amotoki_: I think given that SFC development is slated (to get something done by) Liberty, we may need to first get a classifier that is more specific to SFC first before iterating it to be generic | 17:45 |
| amotoki_ | Swami: what is the key difference of two diff impls? | 17:45 |
| vikram_ | Swami: this concern is already raised via https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/flow-classifier | 17:45 |
| Swami | amotoki_: vikram_ says that it is the same. So my request is to make it as a single spec. | 17:46 |
| cathy_ | I think s3wong are amotoki_ are saying the same thing and I agree with their point. | 17:46 |
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| vikram_ | amotoki_: i have read both the spec and they are same.. even yuji has admitted that | 17:46 |
| amotoki_ | i think there are two points: API perspective and implementation. | 17:48 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: so I don't think we need to create a separate spec which address the same as what is in our SFC spec. | 17:48 |
| vikram_ | Swami: I have also asked Kyle to help us on this soon. | 17:48 |
| s3wong | vikram_: in that case, let's put the classifier spec in networking-sfc, so we have a specific use case, and can discuss/reach-consensus accordingly; now it is filed against neutron-specs | 17:48 |
| amotoki_ | let me check. I think I haven'ts spent enought time to review them both. | 17:48 |
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| vikram_ | s3wong: no need of separate spec.. | 17:49 |
| vikram_ | i feel the same spec is okay | 17:49 |
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| s3wong | vikram_: as you said earlier, things in networking-sfc will eventually merge into Neutron anyway | 17:49 |
| vikram_ | what i meant was just we develope code as a generic model as per the spec | 17:49 |
| amotoki_ | i think there are two points: API perspective and implementation. let me check both specs. I will reach yuji tomorrow morinig. | 17:50 |
| s3wong | vikram_: so in that case, we can first iterate the classifier spec within the SFC team | 17:50 |
| vikram_ | s3wong: i am not sure on this.. may be cathy/Swami/amotoki_ will answer it better | 17:51 |
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| Swami | vikram_: yes I agree with s3wong that we can bring everything into the SFC spec under networking-sfc and then proceed, so that we don't have any dependency and everything is confined within this team. | 17:52 |
| amotoki_ | I think it is better to start in SFC team as long as the requriements are clarified. | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | The bottom line is that we need the flow classifier spec API and implementation in our SFC feature. Without it we can not deliver the SFC feature. | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | I agree with Swami and amotoki_ and s3wong | 17:53 |
| cathy_ | So it seems the consensus is to have the flow classifier in the SFC spec and proceed. | 17:54 |
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| vikram_ | cathy_: so what's will be the next step on this? | 17:54 |
| amotoki_ | one important point is to clarify the requirements for classifier from SFC perspective in our discussion. | 17:54 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: let's proceed with the SFC spec and start coding as fast as we can with high quality:-) | 17:55 |
| amotoki_ | if it is claer, we can discuss more general modle easier. | 17:55 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki_: yes, agree with you. The requirements of classifier for SFC has been addressed in the SFC spec itself. | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | It is needed to associate a specific tenant's flow with a service chain that the flow will be steered through to get the sequence of services specified by the chain. | 17:57 |
| s3wong | cathy_: in fact, the classifier definition is already in the SFC API spec, right? | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | Good discussion. | 17:57 |
| s3wong | cathy_: so really no need for another spec, honestly | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes, exactly | 17:57 |
| s3wong | cathy_: yes --- time to implement :-) | 17:58 |
| nbouthors | What about support for application Id ? It is not in the spec yet, but ODL SFC has it. | 17:58 |
| vikram_ | I am not sure if i can ask this question now.. how we are planning to implement flow-classifier? | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: creating another spec duplicating the exact same content will cause more confusion than benefit, just as we were confused and spent so much time inline and offline doing comparison etc. | 17:59 |
| s3wong | cathy_: +1 --- in the context of networking-sfc, it really isn't necessary | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: let's discuss the implemenation in next meeting | 17:59 |
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| cathy_ | nbouthors: sorry time is up. let's discuss it offline | 17:59 |
| vikram_ | cathy_:+1 | 17:59 |
| vikram_ | bye | 18:00 |
| jwarendt | thanks | 18:00 |
| Brian__ | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | fast one hour | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | #agreed the flow classifier will be part of the SFC spec and implemented inside the SFC project | 18:00 |
| vikram_ | yes... | 18:00 |
| nbouthors | bye | 18:00 |
| amotoki_ | thanks. I try to be here next week or later. it is a bit late in japan :-( | 18:00 |
| Mohankumar_ | bye | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | thanks everyone. Bye now. | 18:00 |
| s3wong | amotoki_: good to have you here though! | 18:00 |
| Swami | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | Thanks. Bye! | 18:01 |
| vikram_ | amotoki_: nice to have you here:) | 18:01 |
| cathy_ | amotoki_: thanks for joining! | 18:01 |
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| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 18:01:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-07-02-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-07-02-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-07-02-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
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