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| sigmavirus24 | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | #startmeeting glance drivers | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 30 14:02:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sigmavirus24. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | o. | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-drivers-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Doesnt' look like there's much more other than to re-review the specs from last week | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | johnthetubaguy: it looks from your comment that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192926/ is acceptable to Nova? | 14:04 |
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| sigmavirus24 | To reiterate for jokke_ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-drivers-meeting-agenda | 14:05 |
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| * flaper87 just put his tasks spec in the prio list | 14:05 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:05 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #topic Change-since filter | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Change-since filter (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:05 | |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-drivers-meeting-agenda | 14:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | d'oh | 14:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192926/ | 14:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | (real one that time) | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | The overall spec sounds good to me | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: any reason why you want to block it until you see some code? | 14:06 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Mostly I want to make sure it's at least started and will be delivered | 14:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | Steve and I are on the same team and the amount of time we have had of late to work on this stuff has been next to none | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | I think we should just move everything to backlog and then move implemented specs to the <release> folder | 14:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | Unless someone will collaborate with Steve, I want to make sure we can get some progress started that someone else can pick up on | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | I really don't like that we're blocking specs on review until there's some code | 14:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: that's fair | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | I know that's not how other projects work either | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | We need to prioritize on reviews more than specs | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: yeah, FWIW, we're moving to "Everythin in backlog" in Zaqar too | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ++ ... Personally I prefer not to do implementation before the design has been approved :P | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | it's less frustrating, it allows you to focus on the feature without focusing on "when" | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | I know Swfit merges it and then allows updates as things change | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: jokke_ you've sold me =P | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | ah and yeah, updating the spec is more than fine if there were changes | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | it helps to keep track of why/when/feedback | 14:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yep | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | ok, with that in mind, I'll send an email to openstack-dev | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | so we can get feedback from rosmaita, nikhil_k-away and others | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | #action flaper87 to send (yet another) email to openstack-dev | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: LOL | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: do you think the spec processes differ enough by now that it would be good time to write X-proj spec for that :P | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sorry. Not sorry. | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: how meta | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:10 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: we should have a spec explaining how to write spec and then discuss when it should be implemented | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | Maybe we should discuss that in #openstack-dev after the meeting. We're 1/3 of the way through ou rtime | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: and not approve that spec before everyone comply :D | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh god | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: next | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic Configurable Checksum for Glance | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Configurable Checksum for Glance (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:11 | |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191542/ | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's still a wip and Brianna left some good feedback that I need to address | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't think we need to spend much time on it | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | I like the idea but I'm not an expert on the topic | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | I'll defer to experts and +2 the idea of having other ways to guarantee the integrity of images | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | So this is mostly to help Brianna with her Image Signing and Encryption spec | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | MD5 is a problem, but I'm not certain it's a problem that will immediately affect us today or is actively being exploited | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | That said, it's a problem and having a way to fix it now is better than having to rush a fix later | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | Everyone okay with moving on? | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | next++ | 14:14 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I'm talking with #openstack-security and #cryptography developers about perhaps better ways than cryptographic hashing algorithms | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | so | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | That's a thing | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | This spec may change further or a secondary spec may enter the ring. That's not certain yet | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic Glance Store Refactor | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance Store Refactor (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:15 | |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188050/ | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | Another spec that would be great to have in a backlog dir while it's implemented | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | I agree | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: has Cindy contacted you? | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yes | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | I believe she's in need of reviews | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | I've agreed to review the impl | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | Oh is it ready for review? | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: she has 3 on the list | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | mmh, I *think* so | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | mmh | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | I'll ping her | 14:16 |
| * flaper87 writes that down with a red-color pen | 14:16 | |
| * sigmavirus24 just pinged her in #openstack-glance | 14:16 | |
| jokke_ | I'm more and more thinking that perhaps we should implement glance_store API v2 rather than trying to refactor the current one :P | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: which is pretty much what she's doing | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | It's call refactor because we can't maintain 2 APIs | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | so, eventually, we need to remove the old one | 14:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yep | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | especially because it's a library | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | next ++ | 14:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | I just left a comment/question | 14:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | But I think it doesn't block it | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: somewhere around the time we have glance_store API v3 that does not provide FS- & swift-stores ;) | 14:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | mmh, not sure why it shouldn't provide FS/swift-stores | 14:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: why don't you like the swift store? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | ah fuck u | 14:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | you're trolling me | 14:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol | 14:18 |
| * flaper87 fell on that one | 14:18 | |
| * sigmavirus24 high fives jokke_ | 14:18 | |
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| sigmavirus24 | #topic Automatic Task Triggering | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188388/ | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Automatic Task Triggering (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:19 | |
| flaper87 | I've addressed sabari's comments and I've had several discussions with him on IRC | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I have few nits there | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | and I'm ready to start implementing it | 14:19 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I haven't read it | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | but but but but, ^ | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | Since it was added during the meeting | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | Give me a second | 14:19 |
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| sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: sure, you can also read it after the meeting but please, do it :D | 14:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | I will | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | I think that spec adds great value to our tasks' engine | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | or whatever we want to call that thing we have | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ok, why should glance guess whe certain tasks should be ran rather than someone (automated tool) calling glance and telling it to do so? | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | it's not really guessing, you're telling glance when to run it | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | it just happens when "certain things" happen in glance | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | A good example is that an automated tool won't detect when an image has been added to glance | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: it /could/ but we wont' go there =P | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | which will endup in the image being saved in the store in a format that you don't want (just following up on one of the examples I added there) | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: it does if it's listening the notifications (in the case we happen to advertice such things) | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: ssshhhh | 14:22 |
| * sigmavirus24 agrees with jokke_ | 14:23 | |
| sigmavirus24 | but I'm not sure anyone actually uses ceilometer | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: right and you're asking ops to go and listen on notifications and write their own tools to have images converted to raw because that's what they want | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: ceilo won't help, you'd have to write the whole thing | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: IFTT integration | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | *IfTTT | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | whatever it is | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | "If This Than That" | 14:23 |
| kragniz | then that | 14:24 |
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| flaper87 | kragniz: look who's here | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | So, that said, I bet jokke_ is writing a long IRC message | 14:24 |
| * kragniz totally contributes here | 14:24 | |
| jokke_ | flaper87: no ... trying to think how to put my thought process to words | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | anyway, I don't think it'll add huge costs of maintenance and it still brings something useful to OPs | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: thought I'd trick flaper87 and jokke_ with that | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah. I know CERN and someone else was looking for this at the summit | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | mainly my point is that if we have tooling following what happens in glance (not in single glance node) we have way better resiliency to get things done, possibilities to offload such tasks to dedicated nodes etc. | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | but we already have that in glance | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | we even adopted taskflow that is suppose to take care of managing workers | 14:27 |
| kragniz | adding explicit triggers is a lot more friendly than asking people to write extra tools for something that can be useful to quite a few ops | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | If this doesn't make sense in Glance, I'd even argue that having tasks makes sense | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | People could simply have their tasks implemented elsewhere | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | and then do whatever they want | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | Not to mention that, as of today, you need to write fucking json on the CLI to trigger a task | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | s/fucking// | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | less than a minute left | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | sorry, I start cursing when I rant | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:29 |
| * kragniz agrees with flaper87 here | 14:29 | |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ok, one clarification as tl;dr ... plan is to get general configurable ruleset rather than attacking the usecases hardcoded which are mentined in the spec? | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | ok, please, drop comments there, read it and at least say you agree so I can start coding | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: configurable rule set is the goal | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | things in the spec are just examples | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | (sabari requested them) | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | :+1: | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | And we're out of time | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: GH hipster | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 14:30:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-06-30-14.02.html | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-06-30-14.02.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-06-30-14.02.log.html | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm not a GitHub hipster damnit | 14:30 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: :-1: | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: you forgot :dance: at the end of that message | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks everyone, we can continue in #openstack-glance | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: I'm always :dance:ing so | 14:30 |
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| EmilienM | hello | 14:59 |
| crinkle | o/ | 14:59 |
| iurygregory | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 30 15:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| mfisch | yo | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | who is here today? | 15:00 |
| mdorman | o/ | 15:00 |
| dfisher | o/ | 15:00 |
| iurygregory | o/ | 15:00 |
| spredzy | o/ | 15:00 |
| dmsimard | o/ | 15:00 |
| clayton | here | 15:00 |
| rodrigods | with iurygregory o/ | 15:00 |
| xarses | o/ | 15:00 |
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| EmilienM | a lot of Puppeteers :-) - good. Let's go | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #link agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20150630 | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #link last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-23-15.00.html | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic Actions from last meeting | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | spredzy Send a patch as an implementation reference (dbsync exec) | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | done: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:db_sync,n,z | 15:02 |
| sbadia | o/ | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | #link dbsync exec patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:db_sync,n,z | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | and the mail: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067950.html | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: thanks! | 15:02 |
| spredzy | yw | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | _ody and EmilienM to figure out about a CI status page > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192253/ http://spencerkrum.com/openstack/ci/# | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | nibaliazer showed me that this week end ^ | 15:03 |
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| richm | here | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | and fungi highlighted me the blueprint | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | mfisch ask to TomF about usage of tags in Operators ML | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: thanks for that btw | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: about oslo messaging/rabbit: we have a topic for that after | 15:04 |
| mdorman | kk | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | mfisch follows-up keystone.py issue on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193679/ (merged now) | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to investigate a new experimental job to test beaker against puppet4 -> not done | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | and | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | spredzy,claryton create a POC and send an email to the ML about parameter default policy | 15:04 |
| gchamoul | o/ | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | spredzy, clayton: I think you're working on it afik | 15:05 |
| spredzy | we talked about it and have something to ask you guys | 15:05 |
| _ody | o/ | 15:05 |
| spredzy | wil add that to items | 15:05 |
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| spredzy | will* | 15:05 |
| spredzy | so we can talk about it later | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: please add an item for today's agenda, we should have time. | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | #topic CI status | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | beaker jobs were in a bad shape lately | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | it should be better now but if you see anything weird with centos7 & epel timeout, please ping me | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | because it should be fixed | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | crinkle and I are working on upgrade job: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196249/ | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | Hunner: please look at the patch | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | Hunner: we're waiting for a PR in beaker & and a release. Please let us know when it could happen | 15:07 |
| saneax | Hi folks | 15:08 |
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| EmilienM | I submitted a patch in project-config to change the syntax-future job | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | #link syntaxt-future job change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196386/ | 15:08 |
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| EmilienM | which was pretty useless since Puppet 4 release :-) | 15:08 |
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| EmilienM | _ody: maybe you can have a look at his patch ^ | 15:09 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: do you have the link for the beaker pr ? | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | #link beaker PR: https://github.com/puppetlabs/beaker-puppet_install_helper/pull/8 | 15:09 |
| sbadia | thx | 15:09 |
| _ody | EmilienM: I will today. | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: do you have any update about your work on zuul cloner and such? | 15:10 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: no i didnt' get a chance to work on it last week | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | okay | 15:10 |
| crinkle | going to look into it today | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | anything else about CI ? | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | ok let's move on | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | #topic Blueprints | 15:11 |
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| EmilienM | #link Enable k2k federation: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190361/ | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: o/ | 15:11 |
| iurygregory | me \o | 15:11 |
| iurygregory | tks | 15:11 |
| iurygregory | Hello people, I'm working with federation and i've worked a little with puppet. | 15:11 |
| iurygregory | Here at Universidade Federal de Campina Grande we have a demand to make easier for cloud administrators to configure Federation. | 15:12 |
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| iurygregory | I have created the spec (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190361/) and was thinking if the approach i'm considering is a good one, feedbacks are welcome. | 15:12 |
| rodrigods | (there is a huge demand from other stakeholders like CERN, as well) | 15:12 |
| iurygregory | thanks rodrigods ;) | 15:12 |
| richm | we are quite interested in federation too | 15:12 |
| richm | one problem I have with the bp is that it seems very shib centric | 15:13 |
| rodrigods | richm, ++ agreed | 15:13 |
| iurygregory | We can take this feature in te kilo release? I'm starting to code | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: no | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: you'll have to move the blueprint for next release | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: we are close to release Kilo | 15:13 |
| rodrigods | but *today* mod_shib is the one keystone advices to use | 15:13 |
| richm | but mod_shib is not the only one that works with Keystone | 15:14 |
| richm | mod_mellon as well | 15:14 |
| iurygregory | yes richm the bp was considering shib but the spec i have change | 15:14 |
| iurygregory | ok EmilienM | 15:14 |
| rodrigods | true, this can be a starting point? richm | 15:14 |
| richm | yes | 15:14 |
| rodrigods | maybe the bp states that there are several SPs that can be used | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: thanks for starting up this work. I guess we need a bit of design and the blueprint is a good start | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | I propose we continue the discussion on Gerrit with iurygregory, richm, rodrigods, mfisch and everyone interested by this work | 15:15 |
| richm | support for mod_shib is fine | 15:15 |
| richm | I just don't want everyone thinking that federation == saml2 == mod_shib | 15:15 |
| iurygregory | ok works for me =) | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | richm: good point | 15:15 |
| rodrigods | richm, ++ | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | richm: the design of this bp should be flexible | 15:15 |
| iurygregory | richm, ++ | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | good | 15:16 |
| richm | so I would like the design to have some room for other saml2/federation implementations | 15:16 |
| richm | yes | 15:16 |
| rodrigods | EmilienM, richm flexibility in bp, but with couple of specs to work with other software? | 15:16 |
| richm | yes | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: if you have any blocker/question, please raise your hand on IRC, we'll be happy to help | 15:16 |
| iurygregory | ok ^^ | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | rodrigods: couple of specs? | 15:16 |
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| rodrigods | EmilienM, more than one spec to target the bp | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | maybe it can be done in one spec. I don't think we need multiple specs | 15:17 |
| richm | I did a poc of setting up keystone with mod_mellon + ipsilon + freeipa - https://github.com/richm/puppet-apache-auth-mods | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | oh yeah | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | rodrigods: I mean, keep enabling-k2k-federation for the single blueprint | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | and adapt the design to work with multiple use-cases | 15:17 |
| rodrigods | EmilienM, hmm so the mod_shib part, would be an example? | 15:18 |
| rodrigods | (in the spec, I mean) | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | yes | 15:18 |
| rodrigods | good | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: anything else? | 15:18 |
| iurygregory | nothing | 15:18 |
| richm | also, it's not really just k2k federation - it's just "federation", with a special case where another Keystone is an identity provider | 15:18 |
| iurygregory | thanks o/ | 15:18 |
| rodrigods | richm, yes, we may update the bp :) | 15:18 |
| richm | ok | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: take this comment in consideration (rename?) | 15:18 |
| richm | thanks | 15:18 |
| iurygregory | yes | 15:18 |
| iurygregory | i'll update today | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | a lot of keystone experts around here, good | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: cool | 15:19 |
| rodrigods | thanks for the feedback guys | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | #link Keystone v3 blueprint: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150108/ | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | richm: o/ | 15:19 |
| richm | I'm rebasing now, and working on the beaker automation | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | richm: the blueprint is ready I think | 15:20 |
| richm | well | 15:20 |
| richm | the bp talks about support for groups and trusts | 15:20 |
| richm | the work has not even been started on those features yet | 15:20 |
| crinkle | that can be added as a feature release later | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | richm: ok so you think the design can change ? | 15:21 |
| crinkle | imo | 15:21 |
| richm | the bp also talks about making every single puppet module v3 capable | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: yeah | 15:21 |
| richm | and only glance has been submitted for review so far | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | richm: it's okay, we have the design in agreed during our Kilo cycle | 15:21 |
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| richm | ok - I'm fine with whatever you guys decide | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | richm: worst case, we can iterate in the next release. But I think this is not going to change everything | 15:22 |
| richm | ok | 15:22 |
| crinkle | richm: are the blueprint and the related keystone patches ready to re-review? | 15:22 |
| richm | crinkle: the bp is | 15:23 |
| iurygregory | you can link the bp? | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150108/ | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | I did ^ | 15:23 |
| richm | I'm rebasing and fixing the patches for automation right now | 15:23 |
| iurygregory | sorry ;X | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: we did some testing last night, and we should have fixed all known bugs we're spotted | 15:23 |
| crinkle | richm: okay, let us know when we can review them | 15:24 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: cool | 15:24 |
| richm | yes | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | richm: thanks | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | #link Master branch policy blueprint: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180141/ | 15:24 |
| richm | you'll see #puppet-openstack blow up in an hour or so . . . | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | I had no feedback on this one, I tried to summarize what we said during the summit | 15:24 |
| * _ody reads real quick | 15:25 | |
| EmilienM | I think i'll wait a bit, while people finds time to review | 15:25 |
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| EmilienM | we're done with blueprints | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | #topic oslo messaging version & default values | 15:26 |
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| EmilienM | mdorman: o/ | 15:26 |
| mdorman | yeah | 15:27 |
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| mdorman | i had summarized the situation in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067821.html | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: can you summarize (again) the 2 proposals? so we can come up with a decision | 15:27 |
| mdorman | sure. 1) set rabbit_heartbeat_timeout_threshold default to 60 in the puppet module, which follows what teh default is in upstream kilo nova | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | I'm about to run a vote | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | people who vote, please read the context before :-) | 15:29 |
| mdorman | 2) add a separate rabbit_enable_heartbeat parameter which much be set to true (default is false) to actually enable the feature, rather then relying solely on rabbit_heartbeat_timeout_threshold value to determine if it’s enabled or not | 15:29 |
| mdorman | there are some implications on 1), due to the requirements.txt set on upstream nova. but i think for the most part this should be a non-issue | 15:29 |
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| mdorman | for the 1) option, you would have to set rabbit_heartbeat_timeout_threshold to 0 to disable the feature | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | or undef? | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | and make sure it's absent | 15:31 |
| mdorman | if it’s absent, the nova default is 60 | 15:31 |
| mdorman | so nova default is to enable the feature | 15:31 |
| mdorman | at least in the current cut of kilo | 15:31 |
| mfisch | what about other services? | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | yeah I meant to let the default | 15:31 |
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| mdorman | mfisch: the default value actually comes from oslo.messaging, not nova | 15:32 |
| mdorman | so we would do the same setup for all modules/services. | 15:33 |
| clayton | this seems related to what spredzy and I were talking about. | 15:33 |
| mdorman | sorry i shoul have said the oslo.messaging default is 60, not nova default | 15:33 |
| _ody | Ah. Hard choice. One is simpler but prone to easily getting out of sync from upstream defaults and the other could be confusing because you have two ways of disabling a thing. | 15:33 |
| iurygregory | _ody, ++ | 15:34 |
| mdorman | yeah. for sure we would want to reevaluate this come Liberty time | 15:34 |
| mfisch | I think the option with the least side affects is to default it hard disabled | 15:34 |
| mfisch | meaning you'd have to explicitly enable and set the value | 15:34 |
| mdorman | b/c the default in later oslo.messagings even now is 0, not 60 | 15:34 |
| mfisch | its annoying but explicit | 15:34 |
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| mdorman | personally i dno’t think the two parameter method is that bad | 15:34 |
| mfisch | if I came in and said "i really want this feature" I'd read the comments and figure it out | 15:35 |
| mfisch | everyone else would not be surprised | 15:35 |
| mdorman | i would opt for the 1) option for my own setup, but i think having the extra parameter, but having it be an explicit enabling of it, is a good trade off | 15:35 |
| mdorman | yeah. | 15:35 |
| EmilienM | we followed default values from day 1 I don't see why we should change today | 15:35 |
| EmilienM | so if 60 is default in kilo, and 0 in liberty we have our answer | 15:35 |
| mdorman | EmilienM: problem is the default in upstream oslo.messaging changes | 15:35 |
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| EmilienM | yes, in liberty | 15:36 |
| mfisch | the issue in the future is it would be hard to remove the extra parameter | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | we are not supporting liberty today | 15:36 |
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| mdorman | mfisch: true | 15:36 |
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| mfisch | think in N or O when everyone wants it on all the time | 15:36 |
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| mdorman | yeah i guess the most likely thing would be the default changes at Liberty time | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | having the parameter is good, people can change the value and disable the feature. | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | yeah | 15:36 |
| mfisch | thats my vote for now | 15:36 |
| mdorman | but there are later releases of oslo.messaging now (which technically are kilo) where the default is different | 15:36 |
| _ody | mfisch: Really good point. Adding a parameter is a pretty apparent API change. | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | I'm about to run the vote | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | to run solution 1 (yes/no) | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | #startvote set rabbit_heartbeat_timeout_threshold default to 60? yes, no | 15:37 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: set rabbit_heartbeat_timeout_threshold default to 60? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:37 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:37 |
| mfisch | _ody: what if we make the comment that says "This defaults to off or now, it will switch in L or M, you should make your selection explicit" | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | #vote yes | 15:37 |
| mdorman | #vote yes | 15:37 |
| iurygregory | #vote yes | 15:37 |
| gchamoul | #vote yes | 15:37 |
| mfisch | #vote yes | 15:37 |
| mdorman | yeah we could add some more comments in that should help with that | 15:37 |
| _ody | #vote yes | 15:37 |
| spredzy | #vote yes | 15:38 |
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| EmilienM | closing in 15 sec | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | #endvote | 15:38 |
| openstack | Voted on "set rabbit_heartbeat_timeout_threshold default to 60?" Results are | 15:38 |
| openstack | yes (7): mfisch, _ody, iurygregory, EmilienM, mdorman, gchamoul, spredzy | 15:38 |
| dims | not to side-track the vote, if there's anything better we can do oslo.messaging, please let us know | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | dims: cool, maybe you can tell us what you think about our choice | 15:39 |
| dims | EmilienM: ++ | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | cool | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: anything else? | 15:40 |
| mfisch | wait a sec | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: please use the same topic when you'll patch all modules. Your patches will be included in Kilo release I think | 15:40 |
| mdorman | i don’t think so. were we going to vote on #2 or just assume #1 wins? (i mean i don’t really care, i’m good with 1) | 15:40 |
| mfisch | I thought we were voting for setting the default to 60 and also adding an explicit enablemebt>? | 15:40 |
| mfisch | 2 votes | 15:40 |
| mfisch | as in I thought first vote was just for a value | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | we just voted for the default value | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | and the proposal #1 | 15:41 |
| mdorman | should we re-vote and make options #1 or #2 instead? | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: the enable param was in #2 no? | 15:42 |
| mfisch | sorry for the confusion, I though I was voting for the number 60 as the default and we'd also get to have the explicit disable :( | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: well, we can followup on ML | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | time is running | 15:43 |
| mfisch | ok | 15:43 |
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| mdorman | ok i will post o ML and ask people to vote | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | #action people to follow-up oslo messaging discussion on ML | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | mdorman: thx. | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | #topic default values management | 15:43 |
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| mfisch | I'm an uninformed voter obvs. | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | clayton, spredzy o/ | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | what's up? | 15:43 |
| spredzy | clayton, you want to go ahead and explain what we talked about ? | 15:43 |
| clayton | sure. I think both of the things we talked about have been mentioned on irc before | 15:44 |
| clayton | first one was the idea of making it easier to ensure config values are absent for at least some options if the end user didn't explicitly provide a value | 15:44 |
| clayton | so what has been floated before was something like setting the default parameter to undef, and if the provider value parameter was undef, it would ensure absent, so like glance_config { 'DEFAULT/key': value => undef } would be the same thing as ensure absent | 15:45 |
| clayton | spredzy has tried this, and I've tried similar things in the past, and my recollection is that the puppet 3.x api doesn't have a good way of passing in undef like this | 15:46 |
| clayton | it's like the attribute wasn't specified at all | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | clayton: do you mean to patch ini provider? | 15:46 |
| clayton | we were hoping someone with more experience might be able to confirm that | 15:46 |
| clayton | yes | 15:47 |
| clayton | or better yet, create a new base ini provider in openstack lib that derives from the upstream one that all providers downstream of it could inherit from | 15:47 |
| clayton | so if we add more local enhancements it wouldn't be necessary to change every module | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | good idea | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | clayton: have you asked to ML (our ML or puppet ML) ? | 15:48 |
| mdorman | isn’t there a wa in the provider to recognize the undef/parameter not specificed at all situation? | 15:48 |
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| clayton | if we can't pass in undef, then the alternative would be one or more 'magic' values like '<UNDEF>', '<DEFAULT>' or '<UNSET>' that would act like absent | 15:48 |
| crinkle | i would think if you pass value => undef and the default property value is nil then it should work? | 15:48 |
| clayton | crinkle: perhaps, but isn't the value parameter required? | 15:49 |
| spredzy | If a resource set first a value to 'x' and then to undef, the value will remain 'x'. | 15:49 |
| spredzy | it's like it is not taking the change in account | 15:49 |
| mdorman | right, but do like what crinkle said, make the default nil | 15:49 |
| crinkle | spredzy: yes, but if we never set it to 'x' then it would be fine? | 15:49 |
| mdorman | probably not solveable now, but seems like it *is* solveable | 15:50 |
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| clayton | if we can't do undef, then the alternative is a magic value, which is a little gross, but I think better than the if $value/else stuff that is the alternative | 15:50 |
| spredzy | crinkle, I'll have to try. I haven't tried it this way | 15:51 |
| spredzy | so not sur | 15:51 |
| crinkle | spredzy: yeah me too | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | spredzy, clayton: seems like you need more time to make more tests & discussion | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | maybe we can follow-up when you guys decide | 15:52 |
| clayton | nod, but I think we wanted to get some comments on the general approach | 15:52 |
| clayton | and if undef doesn't work out, if people feel like the magic values would be tenable or too gross | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | I don't like much the magic value thing | 15:53 |
| spredzy | EmilienM, well we will do more test. But if this doesn't work, would the community agree on using a magic string and the user of an openstacklib/inifile provider | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | if there is no other solution, why not | 15:53 |
| clayton | EmilienM: nod, I don't think any of us *like* it :) | 15:53 |
| crinkle | agreed with EmilienM, would prefer not but it's not the worst thing | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | big +1 on openstacklib/inifile providerr | 15:53 |
| mdorman | +1, don’t really like it, but i would agree to it if it’s the only option | 15:53 |
| spredzy | #action spredzy make more test to not have to use a magic string for the purpose of parameter defaults | 15:54 |
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| EmilienM | thanks spredzy, clayton ! | 15:54 |
| clayton | we had another possible enhancement we discussed in the same context | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: I won't follow-up in the next meeting I let you guys bring the topic when you ready | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage | 15:54 |
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| EmilienM | I would like to ask people if they have any blocker (except keystone v3) for a Kilo release | 15:55 |
| mfisch | nope | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | also, if there is any outstanding bug/review we need to see | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | *silence* | 15:56 |
| _ody | Might be a blocker, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194097/ | 15:56 |
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| EmilienM | _ody: indeed, nice catch | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | _ody: the author is in my team, and currently in holidays. Can you takeover? | 15:57 |
| _ody | yes...I was typing up the same suggestion. | 15:57 |
| _ody | I'll work on the tests today. | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | _ody: thanks | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | anything else folks? | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | http://goo.gl/7K6foy | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | have a great day! | 15:58 |
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| iurygregory | bye o/ | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 15:58:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-30-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-30-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-30-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
| crinkle | o/ | 15:58 |
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