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| mfer | #startmeeting openstack-sdk-php | 15:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 2 15:31:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:31 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-sdk-php)" | 15:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_sdk_php' | 15:31 |
| mfer | If you couple please state your name along with any applicable association | 15:31 |
| mfer | Matt Farina, HP | 15:31 |
| samchoi | Sam Choi, HP | 15:31 |
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| mfer | samchoi I'll give it a few more minutes and call it if no one else comes | 15:33 |
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| samchoi | mfer sure, sounds good | 15:34 |
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| mfer | samchoi i'm calling it. | 15:36 |
| mfer | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 15:36:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-07-02-15.31.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-07-02-15.31.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-07-02-15.31.log.html | 15:36 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting novabugscrub | 16:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 2 16:31:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:31 |
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| tjones | anyone here today? | 16:31 |
| dansmith | \o/ | 16:31 |
| tjones | hey dansmith :-D | 16:31 |
| dansmith | yo | 16:32 |
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| tjones | so using the script that the infra team has been using, jogo's changes, and more changes from me i have a web page that helps with understanding issues like stale bugs, bugs in the wrong state, etc. All i need is a place to host it. do you know where the right place to do that would be? | 16:33 |
| tjones | some external web server that openstack already has? | 16:33 |
| dansmith | like, you have raw HTML? | 16:33 |
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| tjones | i have a json file with all of the bug data, html and javascript to parse it. | 16:33 |
| dansmith | ah | 16:34 |
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| tjones | yeah - not a raw file that i can just post. i need a web server | 16:34 |
| dansmith | I think most people just throw that kinda thing up on a personal machine, which I can surely do for you if you want | 16:34 |
| tjones | it's a work in progress so i would want to tweak it. I have something on aws i can use for this probably (blush) | 16:35 |
| dansmith | heh, okay | 16:35 |
| tjones | was hoping to have that done before the meeting today. oh well. | 16:35 |
| tjones | i've already tagged the untagged except a couple i could use a hand with. they have to do with packaging and stuff | 16:35 |
| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 16:36 |
| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 16:36 |
| tjones | oops | 16:36 |
| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1336077 | 16:36 |
| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1336684 | 16:36 |
| dansmith | heh, that one seems like it's a sles bug not something for us | 16:37 |
| tjones | no wonder… how do i give it to them? | 16:37 |
| dansmith | close it as invalid and tell them to talk to suse? | 16:38 |
| tjones | or - better - who does packaging for sles that i could ask to take a look? | 16:38 |
| dansmith | no idea | 16:38 |
| tjones | ok i'll try that. | 16:38 |
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| dansmith | just marked the second one as incomplete and asked for some detail | 16:39 |
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| tjones | the limits one? | 16:40 |
| dansmith | yeah | 16:40 |
| tjones | ok so for new ones that don't have assignees - this ssh one looks like it needs some attention. | 16:41 |
| tjones | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1298472 | 16:41 |
| tjones | i mean it is getting attention | 16:42 |
| dansmith | tjones: yeah, the ssh one is the top gate offender right now I think, | 16:42 |
| dansmith | and lots of people have it on their radar | 16:42 |
| dansmith | tjones: I also marked that one from phil with some detail and assigned it to him | 16:42 |
| tjones | ok great - that is really all to talk about util i get my page up for comments. I think it will really help | 16:43 |
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| dansmith | cool | 16:43 |
| tjones | thanks for attending today. any other bugs i should know about other than ssh? | 16:43 |
| dansmith | not that I know of | 16:44 |
| tjones | me either :-D | 16:44 |
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| tjones | going to end early then | 16:46 |
| dansmith | so are we done here? | 16:46 |
| tjones | c ya | 16:46 |
| dansmith | sweet | 16:46 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 16:46:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-07-02-16.31.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-07-02-16.31.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-07-02-16.31.log.html | 16:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi Neutron Adv service team! | 17:30 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:30 |
| banix | hi | 17:30 |
| vinay_yadhav | Hi | 17:30 |
| marios | o/ | 17:30 |
| cgoncalves | hi, everyone | 17:30 |
| LouisF | hi | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong banix vinay_yadhav cgoncalves: hi | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking Advanced Services | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 2 17:31:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_advanced_services' | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/AdvancedServices | 17:31 |
| dougwig | o/ | 17:31 |
| vinay_yadhav | can we start with TaaS today | 17:31 |
| SridarK | Hi | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info announcement: Juno specification submission deadline: July 10th, specification approval deadline: july 17th | 17:32 |
| marios | tapas for starter? | 17:32 |
| cgoncalves | marios: yeah, I'm starving :) | 17:32 |
| s3wong | Yes, let's do tapas as a starter :-) | 17:32 |
| vinay_yadhav | :) | 17:32 |
| banix | just a couple of minutes on flavor to get going ;) | 17:32 |
| banix | just kidding | 17:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we switch the agenda order today per last week’s request | 17:32 |
| marios | cgoncalves: me too mate just got home :) | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we have a week to submit any new blueprint specs (i think we are good here) | 17:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and we have a couple of weeks to converge on teh specs we have in review, and have them approved | 17:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the later is of course subject to reviewer feedback | 17:34 |
| enikanorov__ | here | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | wanted to make sure that everyone is aware of the time timelines | 17:34 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: hi, switiching the agenda order a bit today to be fair to everyone | 17:34 |
| enikanorov__ | SumitNaiksatam: sure! | 17:34 |
| vinay_yadhav | thanx | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok drumroll… | 17:35 |
| s3wong | enikanorov__: can't just have your flavor all the time :-) | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic TaapAAS | 17:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149 | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149 | 17:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: you have the stage! | 17:35 |
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| vinay_yadhav | the last patch(Patch 5) got good reviews | 17:36 |
| marios | vinay_yadhav: apologies didnt get chance to review latest | 17:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: ok, my apologies i hae not been as active either | 17:36 |
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| vinay_yadhav | i have address some editorial comment and added afew clarification in the new patch | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe anil_rao has also been responding to the reviews | 17:36 |
| anil_rao | Yes | 17:36 |
| vinay_yadhav | yes | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one high level question - why do we have the “Tap_service” table? | 17:37 |
| vinay_yadhav | that is the data model that represents the service | 17:37 |
| vinay_yadhav | to which u can add flows (ports) that u want to mirror | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: can this not be collapsed into the “tap_flow" | 17:38 |
| vinay_yadhav | the Tap_Service will set up the destination of the mirror | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we could call it something else | 17:38 |
| marios | vinay_yadhav: there havent been any major objections so far right? | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | maybe just a tap | 17:38 |
| vinay_yadhav | yes no major objections | 17:38 |
| vinay_yadhav | sumit: ok, but collapsing is not good | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would prefer to avoid proliferation of resources where we can | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: why? | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: unless there is no 1:1 association between tap_flow and tap_service | 17:39 |
| vinay_yadhav | because the Tap_Service sets up the destination port for mirrored data | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: yeah, but its a 1:1 association with a tap_flow, right? | 17:39 |
| vinay_yadhav | can there is a n:1 association between flow and service | 17:40 |
| vinay_yadhav | multiple flows can be associated to a single service | 17:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: ah ok | 17:40 |
| vinay_yadhav | flow: ports u want to mirror | 17:40 |
| vinay_yadhav | service: destination port to sent the mirroed data where a servicer VM can collect it | 17:40 |
| vinay_yadhav | hence its N:1 | 17:41 |
| marios | vinay_yadhav: like monitoring more than one source port u mean? | 17:41 |
| s3wong | host of event asks us to take a group photo. brb | 17:41 |
| marios | to one service | 17:41 |
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| vinay_yadhav | marios: yes | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: ok, wasnt clear to be from the table | 17:41 |
| vinay_yadhav | u can check the work flow text.... but i will see if i can calrify it better | 17:42 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: is there a process whereby we can say 'ok we have worked this spec tbrough a few iterations can we now have some core attention'? | 17:42 |
| vinay_yadhav | marios: yes that would be good | 17:42 |
| anil_rao | Also, separating the tap-service from the tap-flow means that we can add/remove flows from the service | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: no forma process, but thats why i wanted that as a team we support our specs by putting a +1 | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *formal | 17:42 |
| vinay_yadhav | anil:true | 17:42 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: 17th july isnt that far off especially if there will be any unexpected issues | 17:42 |
| vinay_yadhav | on the 5th patch set we had a 8-9 +1s | 17:43 |
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| vinay_yadhav | so if every one can review it once more and +1 it, that wold be greate | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: currently one +1, so hopefully we can get those +1s back | 17:44 |
| vinay_yadhav | sumit: yeah | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav anil_rao: any blockers on this (apart from reviewer attention)? | 17:45 |
| vinay_yadhav | i hope people go over it again and +1 it again | 17:45 |
| marios | vinay_yadhav: will do hopefully tomorrow | 17:45 |
| vinay_yadhav | not at this point | 17:45 |
| vinay_yadhav | marios: thanx | 17:45 |
| banix | vinay_yadhav: will do | 17:45 |
| anil_rao | No blockers at the moment, Sumit | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: ok thanks | 17:45 |
| vinay_yadhav | thanx | 17:45 |
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| banix | (By the way, Ryan apologizes for not being able to participate today) | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Traffic steering | 17:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92477 | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: hi | 17:46 |
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| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: thanks to you (and joao) for the follow up on this | 17:46 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: do you want first to summarize yesterday's F2F meeting? | 17:46 |
| banix | whose face 2 whose face? | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: sure, this was mostly to get Cathy and LouisF upto speed with what we are doing in the adv services’s team, and where the different blueprint specs | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ^^^ | 17:47 |
| banix | got it | 17:47 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: sure, no problem. not sure you all got my view I stressed on -dev last week | 17:47 |
| cgoncalves | banix: oops, it was a secret f2f. you wasn't supposed to know it :) | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_ and LouisF: had questions on the use of classifiers in teh group policy spec versus in the TS spec | 17:48 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but nothing that we have not discussed in this IRC before | 17:49 |
| banix | cgoncalves: I was there. I work for NSA ;) | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: and i thought i could you out by not inviting you :-P | 17:49 |
| cgoncalves | :) | 17:49 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: can you state the concerns you raised in your email | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: go ahead ^^^ | 17:50 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: regarding steerings | 17:50 |
| banix | just wanted to know if i missed a call i was supposed to be on. thanks for not including me when not necessary. | 17:50 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: ok, my idea was that the f2f was to also get to some aggreement on the TS and SC blueprints and you would eventually give us some feedback | 17:50 |
| s3wong | back | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: mandeep has a new planned on the chaining spec, which will hopefully help | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *new rev | 17:51 |
| cathy_ | cgoncalves: The conclusion is that the GBP group classifier applies at the ingress point of the chain. The TS classifier can be applied for reclassification use. If there are inconsistency between the two classifiers, the TS classifier takes precedence | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: thanks | 17:51 |
| cgoncalves | LouisF: in short, TS may not be the best way to use as backend of SC, although it can be used but putting some constraints | 17:52 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: cgoncalves: Yes I will clarify in the spec as cathy_ explained. | 17:52 |
| LouisF | mandeep: when can we get the updated bp? | 17:52 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: Yes, I am working on it today | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in general we dont expect the reference implementation of Group Policy to directly use the Traffic Steering classifier | 17:53 |
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| banix | will wait for the spec as what cathy_ said just doesn’t make sense to me | 17:53 |
| cgoncalves | LouisF: and AFAIK there is no way defined yet as to how traffic should be steered to a SC | 17:53 |
| cgoncalves | (sorry, intermitent connection) | 17:53 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: nice, thanks | 17:53 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: agree i thinkthe ts bp needs work | 17:53 |
| mandeep | banix: Essentially what service or TS does in opaque to the GBP - it just forwards the packets to the appropriate port | 17:54 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: ok, thanks. | 17:54 |
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| cgoncalves | I've been this week internally getting some code working (based on the ones submitted to review.o.o) and interacting with ODL | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | cgoncalves: Actually I read the existing service chaining blueprint again after the f-f meeting. It seems that the only difference bwtween the service chain BP API and the TS API is that the TS include Classifier specification. Is that correct? | 17:55 |
| banix | mandeep: yes that was my understanding. i thought the staement above was contradicting that but dont want to distract. will look at the specs. | 17:55 |
| mandeep | banix: ok | 17:55 |
| cgoncalves | that's for PoC internally and I believe could all code be open-sourced (on the ODL side too) | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: as we discussed that is not the only difference, the difference is at the level of abstraction | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: service chain bp deals with chain service instances | 17:56 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: I believe so, yes. | 17:56 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: whereas, TS bp deals with chaining ports | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | From the API point of view, it seems that is the diff. Maybe internal design has difference. | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: at this point we have -1 from cathy_ and akihiro | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: are your concerns addressed? | 17:57 |
| cgoncalves | while SC could potentially spin new neutron services and create a chain, the TS doesn't | 17:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: i think SC operation will be clarified in mandeep’s new rev of the spec | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | cgoncalves: Does the SC API covers the spin of new neutron services ? I did not see this in the API | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: but should be independent of the TS bp, so we can make progress in paralled | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | Maybe I missed that part. | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *parallel | 17:58 |
| cgoncalves | all: I know I've some comments from you to catch up. sorry about that. I've been reviewing them but not commenting on review.o.o due to some time constraints on my end. truly apologies | 17:58 |
| marios | sorry for the silly question, but for clarity... SC = service chaining and TS is traffic steering right? | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: yes | 17:58 |
| mandeep | marios: Correct | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: My concern about classifers are addressed. Thanks for asking | 17:59 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: I'm not sure. just said it could *eventually*. we will have to wayt for mandeep to upload a new rev | 17:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: no need to apologize, you have been very prompt and sincere on this, big thanks for leading this initiative! | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | marios: yes | 17:59 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: of course, we can work independently | 17:59 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: I will do so today. I got occupied by the 'day job' for a couple of weeks, catching up now ;-) | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | cgoncalves: OK, I will review the new version. | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: we might need to indepedently reach out to akihiro to see if his concerns are addressed | 18:00 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: thanks | 18:00 |
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| LouisF | mandeep: great | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks, we fully understand :-) | 18:00 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: ;-) | 18:00 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, as he is a core reviewer \o/ :) | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other questions or suggestions for cgoncalves? | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: ;-P | 18:01 |
| cgoncalves | bring them on! (but be gentle though) | 18:01 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: when will you update the bp? | 18:01 |
| cathy_ | cgoncalves: very good work and good points in your email. | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: +1 | 18:01 |
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| cgoncalves | LouisF: lets say this week | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: great thanks! | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service base definition and Insertion | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ? | 18:02 |
| s3wong | yes | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe kanzhe is not back yet | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93128 | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: you posted a new rev, thanks | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure how many got a chance to review | 18:03 |
| s3wong | Some of us had a f2f meeting on Monday - and the team-members suggested a set of feedback for update | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had put some comments on monday | 18:03 |
| s3wong | so the spec has been updated to reflect those points | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to narrow the scope of this | 18:03 |
| s3wong | we also drop flavor framework as a dependency (because it really isn't) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i will read through again (see some white spaces in red though ;-) ) | 18:04 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: i only saw your comments in passing today,but, will it still make sense without e.g. register/unregister service? | 18:04 |
| * marios will look more closely tomorrow | 18:05 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe people will need some time to read through the new rev | 18:05 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes, I noticed that after I uploaded. And since I will do another patch update due to not addressing some comments at revision 13, I will fix them on the next patch :-) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: per discusison with kanzhe and s3wong the register/unregister is something we can add as an enhancement in a later rev | 18:05 |
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| s3wong | marios: yes, the register/unregister were intended to support services that aren't aware by Neutron (non Neutron network services) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: since it was targeted more specifically at services not recognized by neutron | 18:06 |
| s3wong | but still can do service insertion with the proposed framework | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: i fully agree with the goal here, however, we need to focus on what we want to achieve as a first iteration | 18:06 |
| s3wong | but SumitNaiksatam suggested that we should simplify and NOT address this use case in phase 1 | 18:06 |
| s3wong | and we all agreed | 18:06 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: i see... yes i recall now that the point was '(neutron) services are already assumed available... e.g. via flavor framework' | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: and make this very easy for the core reviewers to review and approve in the short time we have left | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: yes what s3wong said her | 18:07 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: ok thanks i will try and look more closely tomorrow. | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for the record (and to put timelines into context), the service insertion discussion has been going for well over two years now, and we still dont have anything which begins to address this | 18:08 |
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| marios | s3wong: sorry, am on mobile and the screen is pretty small... i miss a lot of stuff here | 18:08 |
| s3wong | yes - for all the previous reviewers who gave +1s, please review again :-) | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hence we need to make sure that we make progress | 18:08 |
| banix | s3wong: you said you will have a new patch soon? | 18:08 |
| s3wong | for those who wanted to give +1s, please also review :-) | 18:08 |
| s3wong | banix: yes, just minor comments - but I would encourage reviewers to look at current revision and give comment | 18:09 |
| s3wong | that way I can address them also | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i believe marios volunteered for teh vpnaas piece | 18:09 |
| banix | s3wong: ok thx | 18:09 |
| marios | s3wong: there is code already? | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: can you add him to the assignees? i think marios had requested it | 18:10 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes - that is one of the revision 13 comments that I missed - add marios as a team-member, I will make that change | 18:10 |
| marios | s3wong: i noticed that :) | 18:10 |
| s3wong | marios: yes, Kanzhe will upload the preliminary DB model changes soon | 18:10 |
| * marios hurt | 18:10 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks, ah it was the earlier rev comment, got it | 18:10 |
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| marios | s3wong: great thanks | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: dont worry, i got your back :-P | 18:11 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: hehe thanks :) | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | all please, review this spec, this has to be a prirority for us as a team | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | now our favorite topic | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Flavors | 18:12 |
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| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:12 |
| enikanorov__ | hi | 18:12 |
| enikanorov__ | markmcclain: hi | 18:12 |
| LouisF | s3wong: when will Kanzhe post the update? | 18:13 |
| s3wong | LouisF: before Friday for sure :-) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90070#link https://review.openstack.org/102723 | 18:13 |
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| enikanorov__ | so I've made two suggestions on Mark's proposal which I think will make it as simple as possible and implementable in juno | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: thanks | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so for those who missed the party, we had a dedicated IRC meeting on Friday | 18:14 |
| enikanorov__ | basically, I'd like to merge 'profiles' approach with providers | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to discuss the flavors topic | 18:14 |
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| enikanorov__ | and also i seems that extension list on a flavor is not necessary for various reasons | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-06-27-17.30.log.html | 18:14 |
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| enikanorov__ | i have left inline comments there as well as generic comment | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: okay | 18:14 |
| enikanorov__ | basically we need markmcclain to respond... | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: do you anticipate we will need another IRC meeting for this? :-P | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on 4th of July, may be? ;-P | 18:15 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: your idea of (forced) quick resolution? | 18:15 |
| s3wong | :-) | 18:15 |
| marios | enikanorov__: is the idea to start converging on one of the two open reviews and abandon the other? | 18:15 |
| enikanorov__ | I would not mind, but if markmcclain agrees with my comments we'll have a consensus | 18:15 |
| enikanorov__ | marios: something like that | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jokes apart, i think we have limited time | 18:16 |
| enikanorov__ | although i'd treat tag-based proposal as further development of the idea | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: i believe we agreed on that during the IRC meeting discussion | 18:16 |
| enikanorov__ | that's all from my side | 18:16 |
| enikanorov__ | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: i guess we need to assess the progress on a day to day basis, since we are short on time | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: will you be implementing the eventual spec? | 18:17 |
| enikanorov__ | do you mean the spec itself? | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: i meant the code | 18:18 |
| marios | ftr.. here is the meeting log from friday (didn't know it existed till i saw the mailing list this afternoon) http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-06-27-17.30.log.html | 18:18 |
| enikanorov__ | well, yes, I'd like to implement whatever is the consensus | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: i did post that earlier in the thread (if you scroll up) | 18:19 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: oh my apologies! | 18:19 |
| marios | (was a pita to find on mobile as well!!) | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: no worries, i guessed as much | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: ok, perhaps if you have cycles, may be you can start updating your earlier PoC patch with what has been agreed upon | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: just thinking loud here | 18:20 |
| enikanorov__ | SumitNaiksatam: oh, sure, in fact i've already started the coding, but halted it once we continued the discussion | 18:21 |
| enikanorov__ | ok | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: fully understand, and thanks! | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other questions for enikanorov__ or markmcclain? | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Chaining | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93524 | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know we already discussing this | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in case if there are any lingering questions for mandeep | 18:23 |
| mandeep | I have responded to all questions on the review, and I will be posting a new BP today | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: or any blockers at your end (apart from your day job time constraints ;-P) | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: great | 18:24 |
| mandeep | No, I am good for now. | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks! | 18:24 |
| LouisF | mandeep: is config going to be removed from serviceNode? | 18:24 |
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| cgoncalves | mandeep: will the new BP rev describe how one can use a chain? i.e., how traffic should be sent to a chain | 18:25 |
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| mandeep | I was hoping to leave it in for use in future (say to define a service not yet specified in neutron), but I can add that when that use case shows up | 18:25 |
| mandeep | Os that can be in a a vendor extension as well | 18:25 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: ok | 18:25 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: Yes, I am adding an example | 18:26 |
| LouisF | mandeep: a ServiceInstance can be associated with many chains - right? | 18:26 |
| cathy_ | mandeep: If your BP can describe the service instances more clearly, that will be good, especially how they are used in the API | 18:26 |
| mandeep | LouisF: Correct | 18:26 |
| mandeep | (now called ServiceChainSpec or, ServiceChainFalvour) | 18:26 |
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| mandeep | cathy_: OK | 18:27 |
| LouisF | mandeep: why is there a single chain in ServiceInstance? | 18:27 |
| LouisF | mandeep: should be a list of chains? | 18:27 |
| cgoncalves | LouisF, mandeep: I guess the tricky part with shared services is how to separate the waters | 18:27 |
| cathy_ | mandeep: thx. Also how the service instance correlate to the ports speficied in the API table | 18:27 |
| mandeep | Pointer to the ServiceChainSpec that it was created from. | 18:27 |
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| mandeep | LouisF: Pointer to the ServiceChainSpec that it was created from. | 18:28 |
| mandeep | LouisF: A specific Instance is only created from a single chain spec | 18:28 |
| * SumitNaiksatam hoping that we are still on track to finish on time for once today | 18:29 | |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: one minute :-) | 18:29 |
| LouisF | mandeep: I'm confused | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: and counting down | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: perhaps a quick reponse and we can wrap it up here | 18:29 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: service-chain conveniently hands that problem to the provider (say traffic steering) and just specifies the expected semantics | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: we can follow up on the spec of offline | 18:30 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: will do | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: thanks! | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks for the update | 18:30 |
| mandeep | LouisF: Let me post the updated BP and we can review that | 18:30 |
| LouisF | mandeep: ok | 18:30 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Sure | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets call it a wrap for today (still a minute over) | 18:30 |
| banix | bye everybody | 18:30 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: is progress :-) | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all, keep up the great work (both on writing the specs/code and the reviews) | 18:31 |
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| s3wong | bye | 18:31 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: I know :) hence my comment on that the TS bp is limited by not been able to attend that requirement | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:31 |
| cathy_ | bye everyone | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
| cgoncalves | cya! | 18:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 18:31:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-02-17.31.html | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-02-17.31.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-02-17.31.log.html | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | happy 4th of july to those in the US! | 18:31 |
| vinay_yadhav | bye | 18:31 |
| marios | goodnight all | 18:31 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: well, I will still see you on the channel tomorrow :-) | 18:31 |
| cgoncalves | happy birthday OpenStack! | 18:31 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: I will follow up on that with you offline, OK? | 18:31 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: sure | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: but of course :-) | 18:31 |
| mandeep | Happy Birthday! | 18:32 |
| pcm_ | bye | 18:32 |
| banix | group hug | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: :-) | 18:32 |
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| * mandeep group hug ;-) | 18:32 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: sure, and s3wong i believe will raise that with a group photo as well :-P | 18:32 |
| mandeep | bye | 18:32 |
| * s3wong group hugging... | 18:32 | |
| banix | hahaha | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi Neutron FWaaS team! | 18:32 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:33 |
| badveli | hello | 18:33 |
| pcm_ | hi | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK garyduan yisun badveli: hi! | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm_: hi | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | is Karthik on today? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, lets get started | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Action Item follow up | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK was to start an email thread with FWaaS team and SridharGaddam regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90575 | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i believe you already did that, thanks! | 18:35 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes - actually we also have another patch out | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think SridharGaddam is on | 18:35 |
| SridarK | and i think this should address the concerns | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes, i noticed that, however i have not had a chance to review | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: nice | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn was to follow up with nati_ueno and amotoki, request them to review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133 | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think he did that | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yi not around today? | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or badveli: ^^^ ? | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SumitNaiksatam was to respond to beyounn’s email thread on service objects review, however i did not do that | 18:36 |
| badveli | yes, beyounn had send a reminder | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i have brought this up with the PTL | 18:37 |
| nati_ueno | hi | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes, i know | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: hi | 18:37 |
| nati_ueno | Sorry I didn't reviewd 94133 yet | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i will also go back and review the latest patch - will get that done today | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: no problem, as long as its on your radar :-) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: in general, are you comfortable with the idea? | 18:38 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: sure! | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: i think its pretty straightforward | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thanks | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn was to send DVR issues related to -dev mailer | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which i think he already did | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: the reason i was asking for yi is i wanted to check if there was any resolution to this | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will this discuss this as a separate agenda item | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SumitNaiksatam SridarK were to check with owner of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1323299 | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: we havent done this, but not a priority i guess? | 18:40 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think we can close this as u have put a comment on the bug | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah, this is the one where i put a comment | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, ok for now | 18:41 |
| SridarK | clearly indicating that this is working as designed | 18:41 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes agreed - we also want to look longer term | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: agreed | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK SumitNaiksatam were to triage new/undecided bugs | 18:41 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we are okay on this | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sorry i dropped the ball a little bit on this, but you were following up | 18:42 |
| SridarK | 2 new bugs from last week | 18:42 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no worries - u have too many things going on | 18:42 |
| SridarK | Eugene has picked up one of those | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so no high or critical priority, right? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: link? | 18:43 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1334981 | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah right on cue :-) | 18:43 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:43 |
| SridarK | assigned to enikanorov__ by himself | 18:43 |
| SridarK | this looks valid | 18:43 |
| SridarK | if enikanorov__ is busy, i can also take a look | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sure, lets follow up | 18:44 |
| SridarK | ok | 18:44 |
| SridarK | the next | 18:44 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1336652 | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think in general, our shared semantics and implementation need a revisit | 18:44 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes we should discuss more on this | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SridarK to follow up with enikanorov__ on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1334981 | 18:45 |
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| SridarK | on, #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1336652 | 18:45 |
| SridarK | have put a comment | 18:45 |
| SridarK | this is similar to #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1310857 | 18:45 |
| SridarK | which is being addressed by SridharGaddam | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: nice follow up on this! | 18:46 |
| SridarK | np at all | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i completely agree with your assessment | 18:46 |
| SridarK | once we get a response from the submitter - perhaps we can Dup this | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sure | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK was to revisit discussion on router delete | 18:47 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: the bug has been updated with comments | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i think this is on hold for now until service insertion spec is approved, right? | 18:47 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok thanks | 18:47 |
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| SridarK | we will address this in that context | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad was to put a fwaas bp for hit counts | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: there? | 18:48 |
| prad | SumitNaiksatam, hi | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: hi | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: so SridarK might have already updated you on this | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad: the FWaaS team is fully behind you on this | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad: however it does not seem like anyone will have time before july 10th to put a spec in | 18:49 |
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| prad | yes, he mentioned the conversation you guys had last week | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad: so in case you have the time, you can put the spec | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad: else we will have to punt this to a later time (in which case it will not make it for juno) | 18:50 |
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| prad | SumitNaiksatam, so would the spec be for a specific backend or more toward how the api will look? | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad: the spec would have to cover the refernece impl backend | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad: but perhaps not in extreme detail | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: perhaps Rajesh can also help on writing the reference impl part | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: but we dont mean to push you too hard | 18:52 |
| prad | SumitNaiksatam, hmm ok, so based on some recent updates, we're asked to look more closely into CSR vs iptables.. so the API would still be the same, but the focus is probably toward a vendor specific backed rather than iptables | 18:52 |
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| prad | how is that handled.. would that be a separate spec? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: right | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: the spec which introduces the API, would also refernce the iptables implementation | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad: and we will need a separate spec which can address the CSR | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: that said, if there is an existing CSR spec in review, we can perhpas bolt it on top of that | 18:53 |
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| prad | SumitNaiksatam, ok, I'll see if i can get more details on the car side of things before july 10th.. if so i'll put in a spec with that info.. might need help on iptables side | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad: but the vendor bp should not be so much of an issye | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *issue | 18:53 |
| prad | ok | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prad: the other option is to just propose this as a purely vendor extension | 18:54 |
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| prad | SumitNaiksatam, hmm ok | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: not the preferred option though | 18:54 |
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| badveli | sumit sorry to interrupt as we have limited time, i am going to submit a patch with the service group bp, cli and the database as the initial one, as service group is an independent one it will not have any affect and we can move quickly on this | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: only mentioned that, if you, as a vendor, want to make faster progress (and willing to redo this if the community moves in a different direction later) | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes sure | 18:55 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think this is the approach that may work | 18:55 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: we have service group as a separate agenda item | 18:55 |
| prad | SumitNaiksatam, ok i'll discuss with Rajesh and Sridar and get back to you | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prad: thanks | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: just doing the action item follow up right now :-) | 18:56 |
| badveli | yes | 18:56 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw i forgot to mention at the outset - | 18:56 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: badveli wants get his first patch pushed :-) | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info announcement Juno specification submission deadline: July 10th, specification approval deadline: july 17th | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i do feel badveli’s excitement! :-) | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:57 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bug | 18:57 |
| badveli | beyounn is already following on the bp | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so anything else that we need to cover, apart from that in the action item follow up? | 18:58 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think we are done with the bugs nothing else to add | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok thanks | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Objects | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we are still in the spec review on this | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have reached out to the cores, so hopefully we should get this approved before july 17th | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: you wanted to update on the implementation? | 18:59 |
| badveli | i am also hoping | 18:59 |
| badveli | yes i have the patch set | 18:59 |
| badveli | and unit tests are run | 18:59 |
| badveli | hopefully we should be able to get in juno | 19:00 |
| badveli | second set will be the referece implementation | 19:00 |
| badveli | thanks for your help | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: links? | 19:01 |
| badveli | i will be able to send it as soon as possible, not yet submitted the patch | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: ah ok, sorry i misunderstood | 19:02 |
| badveli | should i send it to the team? will be adding the team as reviewere | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: nice to send a head up email to the team (if you find it convenient) | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *heads up | 19:03 |
| badveli | ok, thanks will do | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: anything blocking you right now (apart from the review progress on the spec)? | 19:03 |
| badveli | nothing much, just implemented as per the spec | 19:04 |
| badveli | if anything on the spec we will add | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: ok good | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: thanks for the update | 19:04 |
| badveli | thanks all | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic DVR/FWaaS update | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was hoping to get an update from Yi on this | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli or garyduan: are you guys in sync on this? | 19:05 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think there was response on the thread - now i am not able to find it | 19:06 |
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| badveli | yi is joining | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, but i think Yi has also been participating in the L3 IRC meetings, so i was hoping to get an update | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: great | 19:06 |
| garyduan | Hi, | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: hi | 19:07 |
| garyduan | sorry, I was in a meeting | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: np | 19:07 |
| garyduan | Yi talked to DVR team today | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yes | 19:08 |
| beyounn | Hi, sorry, I was in a meeting | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: np | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: just wanted to understand where we stand with regards to DVR/FWaaS | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i know you participated in the L3/DVR meeting | 19:09 |
| beyounn | Sumit: I had chat with Carl and Vivek in a really short time | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: any conclusion? | 19:09 |
| beyounn | Sumit: the conclusion is that I will call a meeting with DVR guys and FWaaS guys after Swami back from PTO | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok, and whats the approximate time frame? | 19:10 |
| beyounn | Sumit: I will send email next week on ML next week after Swami back | 19:10 |
| beyounn | So that people can propose time | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok, i am hoping that will not be too late to get a solution in, right? | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: it should not happen that DVR implementaiton in Juno cannot support FWaaS | 19:11 |
| beyounn | Sumit: that is mostly like what to happen | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: oh | 19:11 |
| beyounn | But FWaaS will be there anyway | 19:11 |
| beyounn | Just that FWaaS can not work with DVR | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: hmmm…i was thinking that was not going to be the case | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would imagine that going forward all deployments will mostly use DVR | 19:12 |
| beyounn | Sumit: Well, no one really have any ideas on how it works. There was some thoughts, but it does not seem to work | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and if FWaaS cannot be used with that, it undermines the acceptability of FWaaS | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: you mean on how to get FWaaS to work with DVR? | 19:13 |
| beyounn | Sumit: Yes, Vivek's idea does not seem to work with stateful FW at all | 19:14 |
| beyounn | Sumit: so we get back to the starting point now | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: thats a bummer | 19:14 |
| beyounn | Sumit: Do you think that we can call it a show stopper for DVR? | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i was thinking all along that we had more than one option on how to deal with this, and we were trying to figure out which is the better option | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i dont think we can stop DVR because it does not support FWaaS | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: DVR is required for nova-parity i believ | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *believe | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is defintiely a show stopper for us though | 19:16 |
| beyounn | Sumit: no, we don't. as I said to you earlier that I don't really have solutions. | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think its okay if we cannot support FWaaS on DVR in one release | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but there needs to be a concrete path forward to do it | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: do you know if vpnaas is supported on DVR? | 19:17 |
| beyounn | Let me start on the meetings and how we can sort out something | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: there? | 19:17 |
| beyounn | Sumit: I think it should work | 19:17 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: back | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: hi | 19:17 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: What's up? | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: quick question, will VPNaaS be supported on DVR? | 19:18 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: IMO, Swami is working on this | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: ok | 19:18 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: DVR has some service node (sorry I'm not sure exact name), and he is going to run it in service node | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: we have realized that as per the current implementation of DVR, it does not support FWaaS | 19:19 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: oh, | 19:19 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: For VPN, we can't have distributed ipsec | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: since there is no one node on which the connections can be tracked | 19:19 |
| beyounn | Sumit, is running FW on service node is a acceptable solution, | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: i meant DVR does not have one node to track connections | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i think it would be for starters | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: are you familiar with the service node that nati_uen_ mentions here? | 19:20 |
| beyounn | but for the IPsec, it will be the same | 19:20 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: ok so we can't do stateful firewall on DVR, right? | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: exactly | 19:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: and FWaaS reference implementation is only stateful firewall :-) | 19:21 |
| beyounn | Sumit, not in detail, but it is a dedicated node for the services like ipsec, NAT | 19:21 |
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| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: iptables, right? | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: yeah | 19:21 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: I don't get why we need centralized connection tracker | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ah, yeah NAT would have the same problem | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: how else would we do it? | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: nati_uen_’s question ^^^ | 19:22 |
| nati_uen_ | beyounn: ya. so FWaaS can run in service node | 19:22 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: so we can simply write iptables rule in each node | 19:22 |
| beyounn | Nati_uen_: yes, it is for NS traffic | 19:22 |
| nati_uen_ | beyounn: NS? | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | NS - norht-south | 19:22 |
| nati_uen_ | kk | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *north | 19:22 |
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| beyounn | nati_uen_: so we can go NSX model, the NS FW is on the service node and the EW are security-group | 19:23 |
| SridarK | beyounn: but we could have East - West traffic (subnet to subnet) needing FW | 19:23 |
| nati_uen_ | beyounn: ya. That's one option | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes, but i guess if you choose to use DVR, you cannot deploy it for EW traffic then | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it -> FWaaS | 19:24 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes seems like | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and that would be a limitation of DVR, not FWaaS?!? | 19:24 |
| nati_uen_ | I'm not sure why FWaaS can't do something sec group is doing yet.. | 19:24 |
| beyounn | SridarK: you are correct, for the EW, you can still force the traffic to Service node, but just with the bad performance | 19:24 |
| SridarK | beyounn: aah ok | 19:24 |
| SridarK | that would be acceptable | 19:25 |
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| beyounn | nati_uen_: the sec group is on the NIC where you are seeing the traffic from both side | 19:25 |
| beyounn | nati_uen_: FWaaS is on router, but DVR sees only one leg of the traffic | 19:25 |
| beyounn | nati_uen_: That is why FWaaS on DVR will not work | 19:26 |
| nati_uen_ | beyounn: oh, so how about one more leg? | 19:26 |
| nati_uen_ | beyounn: it will be magically trasfered by openflow? | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: i think the point is that the same node does not see both legs | 19:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: correct me if i am wrong | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: both legs do get processed, but not on the same node | 19:27 |
| beyounn | nati_uen_: each DVR node only sees outgoing traffic | 19:27 |
| nati_uen_ | beyounn: how about incomming traffic? | 19:28 |
| beyounn | nat_uen_: nop | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: you mean no-op? | 19:28 |
| beyounn | let me explain, I just type slow :-( | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: np :-) | 19:29 |
| beyounn | you have two VM on two hypervisors and each VM is in a different network (subnet) | 19:29 |
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| beyounn | Let's call VMs as A and B | 19:29 |
| beyounn | when A sends icmp request, the packet hits on local DVR node and get route to B's network from there | 19:30 |
| beyounn | So when the traffic comes to B's hypervisor, the DVR on B's hypervisor does not see the traffic, since it has always be routed by A's DVR node | 19:30 |
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| beyounn | When B sends icmp reply, the B's DVR node sees the traffic and put it on to the A's network directly and then forward it out | 19:31 |
| beyounn | The A's DVR will not see icmp reply at all, since it is already on the A's network | 19:31 |
| beyounn | So, on each DVR nodes, you only see either icmp request or reply but not both | 19:32 |
| beyounn | Ok, hope this is clear | 19:32 |
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| SridarK | beyounn: nice recap | 19:33 |
| beyounn | :-) | 19:33 |
| nati_uen_ | beyounn: Thanks | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yes, thanks | 19:33 |
| beyounn | So, the worse case solution is to somehow work out a forwarding rule on the DVR nodes and forward the traffic that needs to be fire walled to the service node and have service node to run FWaaS | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: so different DVR nodes process the forward and return flows | 19:34 |
| beyounn | But, even this, there are a lot of detail to source out | 19:34 |
| beyounn | Sumit: Yes | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yeah that is tricky | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: and perhaps results in the same performance bottleneck that DVR tries to get away from | 19:35 |
| beyounn | Sumit: Yes | 19:35 |
| beyounn | Sumit: right | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: so this is not an issue with VPNaaS? | 19:35 |
| beyounn | Sumit: One thing need to consider-- the L7 services | 19:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok | 19:35 |
| pcm_ | SumitNaiksatam: wouldn't VPNaaS be N-S? | 19:36 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: we can't support distributed ipsec | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm_: yeah, but for that it will have to go through this one node, right? | 19:36 |
| beyounn | Sumit: All L7 services are CPU eaters, running L7 services on each hypervisor where all other VMs are running, may cause local CPU shortage | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: good point | 19:36 |
| beyounn | Sumit: It may be a good choice to run L7 service on a service node | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm_: you are saying current DVR targets E-W traffic | 19:37 |
| beyounn | Sumit: and FWaaS is mainly targeted on the L4 and above | 19:37 |
| pcm_ | SumitNaiksatam: the above was talking E-W. | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm_: yeah | 19:37 |
| pcm_ | SumitNaiksatam: so if VPN used in N-S, it would use service node, right? | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok so the conclusion we are drawing here is that when running DVR, and wanting to use FWaaS, we can propose deploying FWaaS on the service node | 19:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in that case however, FWaaS is only for N-S traffic | 19:38 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes that will be the problem | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | actually let me rephrase | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in that case the refernece implementation of FWaaS can only be used for N-S traffic | 19:39 |
| beyounn | Sumit: realistically, I don't think FWaaS on DVR will be able to be in Juno, let me kick off the meeting with DVR guys first and see how it goes. We may be able to create more than one service node | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: as long as we have a path forward its pefectly fine if its addresed in the following release | 19:40 |
| beyounn | And have DVR to forward the traffic to localized service node, this is half baked idea,so take it as ..... | 19:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | however my concern is that at this point we dont seem to have a technical solution for E-W traffic | 19:40 |
| SridarK | if we force everything thru the Serv Node | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok, hopefully that idea “distribute” service node can help | 19:40 |
| beyounn | Sumit: you can still forward the E-W traffic to service node | 19:40 |
| SridarK | if FWaaS is configured | 19:41 |
| beyounn | Sumit: My actual concerns are the FWaaS constructs that could be required to support DVR | 19:41 |
| SridarK | we will degrade performance only with FWaaS but can have something that works | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yes that was my next question | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, we are 12 minutes over already | 19:41 |
| beyounn | Sumit: that is why I was really hesitate to send original email | 19:41 |
| beyounn | Sumit: Let me pop some eamils internally first | 19:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: so to support deploying FWaaS on service node, we would need additional DVR configuration or is it on the FWaaS side? | 19:42 |
| beyounn | Sumit; both | 19:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok | 19:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: also if we do end up supporting on N-S traffic (again, for the reference implementation), how do we not allow firewall policy configuration for E-W trafffic? | 19:43 |
| beyounn | Sumit: on the DVR side we need a way to filter and forward traffic to service node, on the FWaaS side, we need construct like zone or address group to be the context of policy | 19:43 |
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| beyounn | Sumit: for NS it is easy, just put FWaaS with the NS router | 19:43 |
| beyounn | Sumit: all the traffic needs to go to ext-br, so the FWaaS should be there | 19:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: but we dont have service insertion yet to put it on a specific router :-) | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is royal jam! | 19:45 |
| beyounn | Sumit: and I'm swimming in the jam | 19:45 |
| SridarK | beyounn: is Swami back next week ? | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we need to bring this up with the PTL at the earliest | 19:45 |
| beyounn | Sridark: that is what Carl told me | 19:45 |
| beyounn | I saw Kely was around | 19:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_ pcm_: so to check with you again, you guys are all set as far as VPNaaS is concerned, or will you like to participate in the FWaaS-related discussion as well if it applies to you? | 19:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: there? | 19:46 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: o/ | 19:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi :-) | 19:47 |
| pcm_ | SumitNaiksatam: I'll certainly want to keep an ear in on the discussions so I can better understand all this. | 19:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm_: ok | 19:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: so we seem to be running into bigger issues than imagined as far as DVR and FWaaS is concerned | 19:48 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: #sadpanda :( | 19:48 |
| * mestery looks at the backscroll. | 19:48 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn (Yi Sun): here has been leading the discussions on that | 19:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: :-) | 19:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: as a team we have had several discussions with Swami before | 19:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: but none of the solutions seem promising | 19:49 |
| nati_uen_ | SumitNaiksatam: Sorry I'm in another meeting now. let's talk later | 19:49 |
| mestery | beyounn SumitNaiksatam: So do we need to indicate FWaaS and DVR won't work together in Juno? Is that the only option? | 19:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_uen_: sure, thanks for the discussion earlier | 19:49 |
| beyounn | nati_uen_: could you help to review my service object/group spec? Thanks | 19:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: the best that we can do is that FWaaS runs on the service node, and can only firewall N-S traffic | 19:49 |
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| beyounn | nat_uen_: link:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133/ | 19:50 |
| beyounn | nati_uen_:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133/ | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: however, even for that we would need the service insertion spec to be approved and implemented so that we can get FWaaS to insert on a specific router (which is the service router) | 19:50 |
| nati_uen_ | beyounn: sure! | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: we already talked with nati_uen_ regarding the service objects spec, he said he will review | 19:50 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Yikes, this isn't sounding good, as that has limitations of it's own. | 19:51 |
| beyounn | nati_uen_: Sumit: big thanks | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: this still does not solve the problem for E-W traffic | 19:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: this of course, is all in the context of the iptables-based reference implementation for FWaaS | 19:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: we dont need to decide right away | 19:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: but we would need to soon | 19:53 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: I'm thinking the best option may be to say the two don't work, given the timelines in Juno, but I realize that decision may not be popular. | 19:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: beyounn has already started a thread on the -dev mailer for this | 19:53 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Lets track this and clsoe soon though. | 19:53 |
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| mestery | beyounn SumitNaiksatam: Thanks, I will reply there. | 19:53 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: perhaps if we force all traffic thru a service router | 19:53 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we will get degraded perf | 19:53 |
| SridarK | we should explore that | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: perhaps should we also have a more focussed discussion with a smaller set of people? | 19:54 |
| SridarK | so we are not completely shot | 19:54 |
| beyounn | I will send out an other email to arrange another meeting | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: does that sound okay? a dedicated meeting between FWaaS and DVR team to discuss this? | 19:54 |
| beyounn | s/will/can/ | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: only problem is that Swami is away until next week | 19:55 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam beyounn: +1 | 19:55 |
| mestery | We need Swami there though | 19:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: and well we are fast approaching the long weekend too | 19:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: so perhaps next week is indeed our best option | 19:55 |
| mestery | I think next week is it. | 19:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: my suggestion is that you send a focused email to mestery and other relevant folks suggesting the meeting, and also poiting out the issues and options we discussed today | 19:56 |
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| beyounn | Sumit: OK | 19:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: that way everyone will have enough context before the meeting and we can respond to the thread even before taht | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: please cc nati_uen_ as well since they have issues with support ipsec VPN | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks for stopping by | 19:57 |
| beyounn | Sumit: How about I just continue with the old email I sent out since it has older context and then add something new on it | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok sure | 19:57 |
| beyounn | Sumit: Sure | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: that work | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | works | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: we need to keep the discussion focussed | 19:58 |
| beyounn | OK | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i noticed there were some responsed on that thread, which to me did not seem to be in sync | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *responses | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: thanks a ton for shepherding this | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets all support beyounn on this! | 19:59 |
| beyounn | Sumit: the email I will follow is the one I sent to the smaller group | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ah ok | 19:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: perhaps -dev is just as fine | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: and you can cc specific people | 19:59 |
| beyounn | Sure | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic open discussion | 20:00 |
| beyounn | All: my issue is that I have limit bandwidth, so please also help to follow up if possible | 20:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for once the FWaaS meeting is longer than the adv services meeting | 20:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yes fully understand | 20:00 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: on the service insertion i hope we don't need another BP to address FWaaS changes ? | 20:00 |
| beyounn | All: I have moved all my service object works to Vishnu | 20:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: sure | 20:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, i thought the spec already captures that | 20:01 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: just to be sure thanks | 20:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah | 20:01 |
| beyounn | All: I need to go, I will send email today. TTYL | 20:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: thanks | 20:02 |
| SridarK | beyounn: thanks | 20:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: any chance that we can borrow some of Rajesh’s cycles for the DVR discussion? | 20:02 |
| beyounn | :-) | 20:02 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: not sure i will check | 20:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: not implemenation, but just to participate in the discussion | 20:02 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: also if needed we can do an internal discussion also b4 talking to DVR folks | 20:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: we need more people who are involved on the iptables side to help beyounn | 20:03 |
| SridarK | so we can propose some alternatives | 20:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sure, that sounds like a good plan | 20:03 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes got it will check with Rajesh as well | 20:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: please feel free to suggest f2f meeting if required | 20:03 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think that will be good | 20:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i can do it on july 4th as well :-) | 20:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | just kidding | 20:04 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i am out of town :-( | 20:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: no worries | 20:04 |
| beyounn | any one know pcm_'s email? | 20:04 |
| SridarK | u think tomorrow is too short notice | 20:04 |
| SridarK | beyounn: i can send u an email | 20:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: pcm@cisco.com | 20:04 |
| beyounn | sure, thanks | 20:04 |
| pcm_ | pcm@cisco.com | 20:04 |
| beyounn | :-) | 20:04 |
| SridarK | ash there now pcm is going to get spammed | 20:05 |
| SridarK | :-) | 20:05 |
| pcm_ | :) | 20:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i can do tomorrow, if thats what everyone feels comfortable with | 20:05 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam:ok will send an email to sort logistics | 20:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | all right, thanks everyone for your time! | 20:06 |
| SridarK | if not tomorrow we should target Mon | 20:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sure | 20:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | happy 4th of July if we dont meet this week | 20:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 20:06 |
| SridarK | ok thanks bye all | 20:06 |
| badveli | bye | 20:06 |
| pcm_ | FYI: I'll be at mid-cycle sprint next week - Tue to Fri | 20:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 20:06 |
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