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| danpb | #startmeeting libvirt | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 15:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is danpb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: libvirt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'libvirt' | 15:00 |
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| ndipanov | o/ ohaio | 15:00 |
| s1rp | o/ | 15:00 |
| nelsnelson | o/ | 15:00 |
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| danpb | give one more min for people to arrive | 15:02 |
| thomasem | o/ | 15:02 |
| thomasem | okay | 15:02 |
| danpb | ok, that's long enough | 15:03 |
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| danpb | #topic LXC testing | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "LXC testing (Meeting topic: libvirt)" | 15:03 | |
| danpb | this seems to be nelsnelson + thomasem's agenda item | 15:03 |
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| danpb | (from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-libvirt-meeting-agenda) | 15:03 |
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| thomasem | yup, so nelsnelson has started working on tempest tests for Libvirt LXC support and wanted to get some clarifications on how we can achieve promotion to upper classes of drivers via that testing, especially when some features don't seem to fit the container use case. | 15:04 |
| nelsnelson | Greetings, danpb. I recently have been tasked with working to fill out the set of gating tempest tests for the libvirt-lxc driver, and I have several questions. | 15:04 |
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| danpb | so on the question "Must all of the boxes in the HypervisorSupportMatrix be supported" | 15:04 |
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| nelsnelson | Right. | 15:05 |
| danpb | i don't think anyone in Nova has ever said that's our goal | 15:05 |
| nelsnelson | By supported, I mean, "checked positively". | 15:05 |
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| danpb | the tier1 / 2 / 3 has only ever been defined as whether we have gating tests so far | 15:05 |
| nelsnelson | Alternatively, must they simply be marked one way or another? | 15:05 |
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| danpb | i think this is probably something we need to raise on the dev mailing list | 15:06 |
| danpb | because i doubt it has been thought about in any detail | 15:06 |
| nelsnelson | Very good. Will make a note, and do so. | 15:07 |
| danpb | i expect there will be some minimum feature set people will ask for | 15:07 |
| nelsnelson | In terms of implemented support? | 15:07 |
| danpb | that matrix though is really crude and doesn't capture all possible permutations of supported features in any sense | 15:07 |
| nelsnelson | Or in terms of tested/verified services? | 15:07 |
| danpb | yeah | 15:07 |
| danpb | in terms of implemented support | 15:07 |
| nelsnelson | Oh, I see. | 15:08 |
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| nelsnelson | One example of what you were just talking about seems to be the "resize" service for libvirt-lxc. | 15:08 |
| nelsnelson | Which I imagine would only be implemented as a series of distinct operations. | 15:08 |
| nelsnelson | Or perhaps a wrapping service, but that's an architectural decision. | 15:09 |
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| danpb | as far as moving from tier 3 to tier 2 i think there probably won't be any min supported feature set - just CI testing mandate | 15:10 |
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| danpb | i expect the issue of min feature set would only arise once considering tier 1 | 15:10 |
| nelsnelson | danpb, Do those mandates include both unit testing and functional testing? | 15:11 |
| danpb | so personally I wouldn't get too fixated on min feature set yet - focus on just getting the testing system active | 15:11 |
| danpb | nelsnelson: the HypevisorSupport wiki says | 15:11 |
| danpb | * unit tests that gate commits | 15:11 |
| danpb | * functional testing that gate commits | 15:11 |
| danpb | (for Tier 1) | 15:11 |
| danpb | Teir 2 is the same, but non-gating for functional tests | 15:11 |
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| nelsnelson | Understood. I only ask because the tests which I was seeing for libvirt-lxc in the Tempest project currently, seem to be focused on API/service functionality. | 15:12 |
| nelsnelson | They don't seem to be unit tests, per se. Does that mean that those unit tests have not been written for the libvirt-lxc driver integration code? | 15:13 |
| danpb | by unit tests i think it means the stuff in nova/tests/virt/libvirt | 15:14 |
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| danpb | and by functional tests I assume it means tempest | 15:14 |
| nelsnelson | Okay, that helps to clarify. Thank you. :) | 15:14 |
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| thomasem | cool | 15:15 |
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| danpb | ok, so you had a few more Q's in agenda besides testing | 15:16 |
| danpb | * What is the difference between "pause" and "suspend", and "unpause" and "resume"? | 15:16 |
| nelsnelson | Right. So that functionality seems to be somewhat virtual-machine specific operations. | 15:17 |
| danpb | this is just a terminology thing - Nova uses pause + unpause, while libvirt uses suspend + resume | 15:17 |
| danpb | ie pause == suspend and unpause == resume | 15:17 |
| nelsnelson | So they are in fact synonymous. | 15:17 |
| nelsnelson | Cool beans. | 15:17 |
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| danpb | * Is the iSCSI, iSCSI CHAP, and Fibre Channel features support outside of the scope of containers? | 15:19 |
| danpb | can you elaborate on what you mean here ? | 15:19 |
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| nelsnelson | Well, is that functionality necessary/possible to support, or actually supported already, by libvirt-lxc at all? | 15:20 |
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| danpb | in what context - you talking about cinder volume drivers here ? | 15:21 |
| * danpb is trying to recall where iSCSI is involved in Nova | 15:21 | |
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| nelsnelson | I'm frankly not familiar enough with those services to give much more detail about that context. This particular question is actually relayed from another colleague here at Rackspace. | 15:21 |
| nelsnelson | I was hoping to figure out what to do about features which don't seem to be compatible across virtual-machines/lxc contexts. | 15:22 |
| nelsnelson | As far as the support matrix goes. | 15:23 |
| danpb | ok, well assuming it is related to the volume driver AFAIK the iSCSI setup/usage is all done on the host | 15:23 |
| danpb | so from the guest's POV it is just given a raw block device | 15:23 |
| danpb | which should be possible to support with LXC too | 15:23 |
| nelsnelson | Understood, noted. | 15:23 |
| danpb | so its probably a matter of just testing out cinder volume usage with LXC and seeing what is working vs broken | 15:24 |
| danpb | and then we'll figure out what todo from there | 15:24 |
| danpb | nelsnelson: thomasem any other Q's about LXC before we move on | 15:26 |
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| nelsnelson | I suppose the only other question I have... | 15:27 |
| nelsnelson | which I'm not too clear about still | 15:27 |
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| nelsnelson | is just, what sort of documentation is there for the requirements involving the sufficiency of a collection of tempest functional service tests? | 15:28 |
| nelsnelson | But I imagine that's a question the dev-list will be able to answer along with my other question regarding the support matrix substantiation. | 15:28 |
| danpb | yeah, i think that's probably best for the mailing list | 15:28 |
| nelsnelson | Okay, I'm good then, thank you very much, danpb. | 15:29 |
| thomasem | No questions from me. =] | 15:29 |
| thomasem | thanks! | 15:29 |
| danpb | #topic Open discussion | 15:29 |
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| danpb | so anyone else with issues they want to raise today ... | 15:30 |
| thomasem | I still haven't had time to scope out the network namespace stuff for ipv6, unfortunately | 15:30 |
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| thomasem | I did a little digging and it appeared to have a pretty extensive list. I'm not familiar enough to know what would be considered a comprehensive list for what's needed to be namespaced appropriately, regarding the /proc/sys mounted readonly | 15:31 |
| thomasem | But, iirc, there was discussion to just remove that constraint anyway due to it only being a "don't hurt yourself" kind of aid, but doesn't really secure the situation. | 15:33 |
| thomasem | Have you had any other thoughts on that, danpb? | 15:33 |
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| thomasem | atm, I'm just using a work around with post-up hooks in my lab | 15:33 |
| danpb | yeah, i've not really got any other thoughts right now | 15:33 |
| thomasem | Okay. I'll make a note to reply to the mailing list and see if we can get some resolution there. | 15:34 |
| thomasem | Thanks | 15:34 |
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| danpb | so, doesn't sound like anyone else wants to raise any topics, so lets end it here | 15:37 |
| thomasem | Okey doke. Thanks everyone! | 15:37 |
| danpb | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 15:38:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-07-01-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-07-01-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-07-01-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
| thomasem | Take it easy | 15:38 |
| nelsnelson | Later on! | 15:38 |
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| tzumainn | hiya | 16:01 |
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| ericpeterson | I think Dave will be starting stuff shortly | 16:01 |
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| jomara | \oo\\\ | 16:03 |
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| tzumainn | lol, what is that, jomara? | 16:03 |
| jomara | tzumainn: its a wave | 16:03 |
| jrist | caw caw | 16:03 |
| jomara | (duh) | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 16:03:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:03 |
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| jrist | o/ | 16:03 |
| jomara | hallo | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | hello everyone | 16:03 |
| crobertsrh | hello | 16:03 |
| gary-smith_ | hi | 16:04 |
| tmazur | hello o/ | 16:04 |
| jgravel | hello | 16:04 |
| jtomasek | hey | 16:04 |
| lcheng__ | hello | 16:04 |
| tsufiev | hi | 16:04 |
| clu_ | HI! | 16:04 |
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| tzumainn | hiya! | 16:04 |
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| david-lyle | First general announcement: Welcome Ana and Zhenguo to the Horizon core team | 16:05 |
| jpich | Welcome \o/ | 16:05 |
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| tqtran | welcome! | 16:05 |
| tmazur | Welcome! | 16:05 |
| gary-smith_ | welcome | 16:05 |
| jomara | w00t, good job you two | 16:05 |
| clu_ | congrats | 16:05 |
| doug-fish | congratulations! | 16:05 |
| johnma | Congratulations | 16:05 |
| tzumainn | congrats : ) | 16:05 |
| tzumainn | I think ana is on pto, though | 16:06 |
| lcheng__ | congrats, well deserved! :) | 16:06 |
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| jgravel | congrats! | 16:06 |
| jrist | no she is not tzumainn | 16:06 |
| jrist | she is at the mid-sprint for Horizon in Paris | 16:06 |
| jtomasek | congrats! | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | second item is https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-2 | 16:06 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 16:07 |
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| david-lyle | this has over 50 blueprints targeting it | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | that is a huge review load | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | I would be happy if those slated as Needs Code Review made it | 16:07 |
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| david-lyle | considering J-2 closes on July 24 | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | most items that haven't been started are just started will likely end up in J-3 | 16:08 |
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| clu_ | yikes! | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | There was only one item on the agenda today | 16:10 |
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| david-lyle | #topic SCSS Patches | 16:10 |
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| david-lyle | doug-fish or jtomasek? | 16:10 |
| doug-fish | this came about during review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90371/ | 16:10 |
| * jrist votes merge | 16:10 | |
| jtomasek | discussion regarding this is here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038971.html | 16:10 |
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| doug-fish | basically, the patch is for converting to SCSS, but in the level of bootstrap we have there are defects .... | 16:11 |
| doug-fish | the defects will get fixed when we upgrade bootstrap | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | that are particular to the SCSS version? | 16:11 |
| * jtomasek votes for merging too as that will definitely speed up the process | 16:11 | |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: yes | 16:11 |
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| jrist | I just don't think it's worth sitting on this patch for weeks/months, especially since we're near the beginning of Juno | 16:12 |
| jtomasek | it is the bootstrap-scss pipy package that has the error | 16:12 |
| doug-fish | Question is should we merge the SCSS conversion now, with its low impact but obvious bugs, or should we merge it now and fix later | 16:12 |
| lblanchard | hi all! | 16:12 |
| doug-fish | IMO we should be using patch dependencies to handle this | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | what is the bug that surfaces? | 16:12 |
| doug-fish | some of the buttons are styled strangely | 16:12 |
| jtomasek | buttons on hover have wrong ackground | 16:13 |
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| tqtran | how long would it take to get a patch for bootstrap going? | 16:13 |
| jtomasek | tqtran: it depends, but I have started looking into it and I'd like to have it finished next week | 16:13 |
| jtomasek | it requires to get new bootstrap-scss version to requirements - I have created patch for that already | 16:14 |
| jtomasek | and then go through the templates and code and update whatever is needed to adjust to new bootstrap | 16:14 |
| jtomasek | I have already done this patch once, so I can base on that | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | the bugs are merely cosmetic then? as they are SCSS related. we can probably live with that until we can get the upgrade in | 16:15 |
| jtomasek | +1 | 16:15 |
| doug-fish | yes, they are cosmetic | 16:15 |
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| david-lyle | I would be nice if the lag isn't too great | 16:15 |
| tqtran | agree | 16:15 |
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| jrist | lag should be smaller with follow-on patches | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | but a week or two with cosmetic issues is acceptable in my eyes | 16:16 |
| jrist | much higher if we wait for dependent hell | 16:16 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: I'll try to makit as fast as possible | 16:16 |
| doug-fish | So then its just a matter of getting core reviewers on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90371/ | 16:16 |
| jrist | fwiw we've been bugging him for months to finish it :) | 16:16 |
| jrist | jk | 16:16 |
| jrist | haha | 16:16 |
| jtomasek | jrist :) | 16:17 |
| doug-fish | It sound like there is agreement merging is the right thing to do, despite cosmetic defects | 16:17 |
| jrist | they are quick to fix and easier to uncover with more eyes | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | looks like that patch needs a rebase | 16:17 |
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| david-lyle | better motivation to upgrade bootstrap | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | #info merge less to scss conversion as soon as ready, bootstrap upgrade to follow shortly | 16:18 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 16:18 |
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| crobertsrh | Sahara merge stuff.... | 16:19 |
| crobertsrh | We've had some more reviews this week. A few from cores. Changes continue to be small. Since those reviews appear to be settling down, I have started porting a handful of changes that were made after the merging effort got underway (way back in April). The velocity of reviews needs to increase in order to hit j2. | 16:19 |
| jrist | yeah lets get cores on that! :) | 16:20 |
| jrist | I've reviewed your massive patches like 5 times now | 16:20 |
| jrist | it's a pain but lets get it done | 16:20 |
| tmazur | Cores are working but there are a lot of nits and a lot of locs | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | crobertsrh: I think the only blocker for the first patch at this point is the strange namespace workaround | 16:20 |
| crobertsrh | Right. I'm not so sure that the code wasn't intended to work that way. | 16:21 |
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| crobertsrh | But you guys would know for sure. | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | I have it loaded in my devstack and I'm playing around with it now, to figure out the issue | 16:21 |
| crobertsrh | Ok. I went ahead and made that change after nobody responded to my email about the issue. I took that as "go fly a kite, our code is just fine....deal with it" | 16:22 |
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| tmazur | And I still found issues when testing sahara stuff... | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | crobertsrh: I think the issue is we're not sure | 16:23 |
| crobertsrh | :) | 16:23 |
| tmazur | crobertsrh, you mean "Other" naming? | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | would like to figure it out before we approve a workaround | 16:24 |
| crobertsrh | tmazur: Yeah, the "workaround" or "work-within" is for the "Other" naming | 16:24 |
| tmazur | crobertsrh, I already wrote you at the bug report page my thoughts about this | 16:25 |
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| david-lyle | so, we need to work this out, but the plus side is it's getting lots of eyes | 16:26 |
| crobertsrh | Great. | 16:27 |
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| david-lyle | Any other items? | 16:29 |
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| tqtran | any update on the client-side meetup? | 16:29 |
| tsufiev | i'd like to ask about best practices for testing changes in client code | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-horizon-meetup indicates there is limited interest in a late mid-cycle meetup | 16:29 |
| tqtran | yeah.... | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | I'd like to give it another week to see if there is any more interest | 16:30 |
| tsufiev | namely, I've started fixing the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1191006, but don't whether or not should I write tests for it | 16:31 |
| david-lyle | I think it's difficult to express too strong an interest without a location in mind, so people know what travel arrangements they would have to get approved | 16:31 |
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| tqtran | thats true | 16:32 |
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| tqtran | party at my house? jk =P | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: it would certainly be nice to have tests around it, but the reward/effort ratio has to be favorable | 16:33 |
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| david-lyle | Fixing the bug would be valuable even if we can't get a test to back it | 16:34 |
| johnma | do these test cases that we write help towards the integration test effort that jpich is leading or is that a seperate set of test cases | 16:35 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, are there some general guidelines on writing js-code unit-tests in horizon? i'm a bit new to this kind of tests... | 16:35 |
| david-lyle | we have a ton of javascript test debt that you can't be expected to take on to fix the bug. New clientside functionality however should include tests | 16:36 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: there are two (yes two) javascript test frameworks in Horizon now, qunit and Jasmine, I would base a test of such examples | 16:36 |
| david-lyle | there are not many, although for interaction testing the integration tests using Selenium are probably a better example to follow | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | johnma: we have both | 16:37 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, should I write tests using both frameworks :) or one of them will suffice? | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: one is plenty | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | legacy vs future | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | Jasmine will work better for angular | 16:38 |
| tsufiev | ok, got it | 16:38 |
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| david-lyle | johnma: to follow on, I'm not sure testing this particular case in integration tests is necessary or beneficial as integration is not required | 16:40 |
| david-lyle | for the tested functionality | 16:40 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, the other thing I wanted to ask is how the overall process of assigning bugs in Horizon is organized (as I'm starting to contribute more systematically to Horizon)? So, if bug is assigned to no one, I'm free to take it, otherwise (say, I have ready fix) I should discuss it on irc meeting, am I right? | 16:41 |
| johnma | right, that makes sense David. Thank you | 16:41 |
| doug-fish | I'm looking at the j-2 content list - there is a bug regarding quotas not being editable and I don't see that on the j2 list. I think the fix has been out for review for a while | 16:42 |
| doug-fish | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1299517 | 16:42 |
| doug-fish | is that something that could be targetted for j-2? | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: if there is not an owner, feel free to assign yourself to it, if there is an owner and you have a fix or interest, feel free to contact the assignee and ask if they are still interested/working on the bug | 16:43 |
| david-lyle | if they have a strong desire to keep working on it, feel free to provide a suggestion in the bug on LP | 16:43 |
| jpich | and offer your help reviewing the fix once it's ready :-) | 16:43 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, ok, will do :) | 16:44 |
| david-lyle | if it sits stagnant for an extended period of time, a core can reassign it, but that doesn't need to happen very often | 16:44 |
| jpich | I think if you've contacted the owner / left a comment on a bug that's been assigned for a long time and there's no answer it's ok to just take it on - but it's best etiquette to ask first | 16:45 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: if I recall that issue correctly, the support is in Horizon already, the problem is they removed the functionality from nova and need to restore it | 16:46 |
| doug-fish | that's true | 16:46 |
| doug-fish | but the support in nova has been readded | 16:46 |
| doug-fish | and backported to icehouse | 16:46 |
| jpich | I set the milestone to increase visibility | 16:47 |
| jpich | I wonder if we should aim to backport it too | 16:47 |
| doug-fish | Backporting makes sense to me, but it was unclear how translation might play in to that | 16:47 |
| tsufiev | jpich, yep, will keep that in mind | 16:47 |
| doug-fish | I assume at one time that panel was translation | 16:47 |
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| doug-fish | s/translation/translated | 16:48 |
| jpich | First step is to get it into master anyway, we can ask the translation team for input later on. Previously they weren't opposed to additional small additions in translations in stable releases as long as they had some notice to work on them | 16:49 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: somehow I had missed that patch altogether, thanks for raising the issue | 16:50 |
| doug-fish | sure, np | 16:50 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to end early just so that I can say that I've done that at least once. And we seem to run out of things to say to each other ;) Thanks everyone for the reviews and have a great week. | 16:53 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 16:53:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-07-01-16.03.html | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-07-01-16.03.txt | 16:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-07-01-16.03.log.html | 16:53 |
| jpich | david-lyle FTW! | 16:53 |
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| david-lyle | jpich: \o/ | 16:54 |
| jcoufal | thanks guys | 16:54 |
| tzumainn | thanks all! | 16:54 |
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| jrist | cheers | 16:58 |
| pballand | hello | 17:00 |
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| pballand | anyone around for congress? | 17:01 |
| sarob | Yup | 17:01 |
| banix | hi | 17:02 |
| pballand | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 17:02:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pballand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| pballand | to start things off, I’m excited to announce that thinrichs was able to run congress with devstack and API last week | 17:03 |
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| sarob | Sweet | 17:03 |
| pballand | (thinrichs is out this week) | 17:03 |
| banix | cool | 17:04 |
| pballand | just a very simple end-to-end test, but with the latest code in review, we have data-source plugins working inside the DSE framework, pulling data from nova and neutron, and exposing through the API | 17:04 |
| pballand | the patch sets are fairly large, so help reviwing would be great | 17:05 |
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| sarob | I will start doing more | 17:05 |
| pballand | on the API front, I pushed the dummy drivers, and worked with thinrichs to integrate the models that back to the policy | 17:06 |
| * sarob spread thin though | 17:06 | |
| pballand | am working on tests (shame on me for pushing sans tests) as well ans filling in the numerous holes in the API | 17:06 |
| banix | pballand: do you have a list of patch sets? I see f ny Tim and a couple by you. are these all? | 17:06 |
| pballand | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/congress+status:open,n,z | 17:07 |
| pballand | banix: the big ones are tagged ‘integ' | 17:07 |
| banix | pballand: thanks | 17:08 |
| sarob | I've got another #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101608/ | 17:08 |
| pballand | on the API, I received feedback that it is inconsistent to prefix APIs with /congress/api/v1/* as proposed, so I updated the spec | 17:09 |
| sarob | Martin's first patch and all | 17:09 |
| pballand | sarob: haha | 17:09 |
| pballand | sarob: can you give an update on the specs? | 17:09 |
| sarob | Sure | 17:10 |
| sarob | I posted the spec bp steps to the wiki | 17:10 |
| sarob | I locked down the use case gdoc | 17:10 |
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| sarob | The highest vote count is #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102935/ | 17:11 |
| sarob | Pushed the rst spec patch, a few reviews | 17:11 |
| sarob | We need to debate it's merits on gerrit | 17:12 |
| sarob | Update the rst patch with changes | 17:12 |
| pballand | sarob: I will be sure to review | 17:12 |
| sarob | And either pass this cycle or assign it to a Juno milestone | 17:12 |
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| sarob | Pballand thx | 17:13 |
| sarob | If we all agree that this way of pushing spec bp is good | 17:13 |
| pballand | it seems to be a reasonable format so far | 17:14 |
| sarob | Then I will create the other < +2use cases policies as spec | 17:14 |
| sarob | We should attempt to keep our bp and patches narrow | 17:15 |
| sarob | That's is all I have on specs | 17:16 |
| pballand | thanks sarob | 17:16 |
| pballand | banix: anything to report? | 17:16 |
| banix | I tried to follow the info in the readme file to do some testing but didn’t get far | 17:17 |
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| banix | Tim had suggested we file bugs so i am wondering if that is what we need to do | 17:17 |
| banix | or we need to wait for the latests fpatches getting in first | 17:18 |
| sarob | Generally on existing code | 17:18 |
| pballand | banix: with the new patches, the dev environment should be easier | 17:18 |
| pballand | but generally, scripts/run_tests should work | 17:18 |
| pballand | one item that has been on my back burner for a while is re-enabling the gate tests - it currently doesn’t work because ‘make’ isn’t run in the virtualenv | 17:19 |
| banix | coudn’t run the run_tests but didn’t spend much time trying to figure out wha the errors were about | 17:19 |
| pballand | if anyone with strong tox-foo wants to jump in, that would be helpful :) | 17:19 |
| pballand | that’s helpful feedback, now that we have the functionality skeleton, we should be able to focus more on stability | 17:21 |
| banix | so for the tests you did, you included some of the under review patchsets? or from the git? | 17:21 |
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| pballand | thinrichs has a bunch of tests in his patches - I’m woefully behind from the API standpoint | 17:22 |
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| banix | ok; just wanted to see if i should spend time debugging the current code or wait for the patches to land | 17:23 |
| aaronorosen | Hi, sorry I'm late. Looking to start helping out in congress though. | 17:23 |
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| pballand | if you are able to, pulling the new patches and testing / providing code review would be very helpful | 17:24 |
| sarob | Arosen morning | 17:24 |
| pballand | hi arosen, good to see you! | 17:24 |
| arosen | hiya sarob | 17:24 |
| sarob | Just mentioning the gate tests | 17:24 |
| sarob | Pballand is that a starting point for arosen? | 17:25 |
| pballand | arosen: were just going through some status updates - mind updating us on what you’re working on? | 17:25 |
| arosen | sure, i'm starting to work on the client for congress. | 17:25 |
| arosen | I got a patch up to create the stackforge repo. | 17:25 |
| sarob | Nice | 17:25 |
| arosen | I'm trying to figure out the best way to go about creating the client. My current thought is to try and piggy back on the python-openstackclient work | 17:26 |
| arosen | So I'm still sorting through that but hopefully should have something up for review there shortly :) | 17:26 |
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| arosen | that's it from me. | 17:27 |
| pballand | great, thanks arosen - it’s great to have you on board! | 17:27 |
| pballand | #topic open discussion | 17:28 |
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| skn_ | Sorry, I’mlate | 17:28 |
| pballand | that’s all I had; anyone have open items they’d like to discuss? | 17:28 |
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| sarob | I do | 17:28 |
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| pballand | hi skn_ glad you could make it | 17:28 |
| sarob | Hey skn_ | 17:28 |
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| pballand | sarob: fire at will | 17:29 |
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| sarob | So I was prepping for the spec on Openstack upgrades | 17:29 |
| sarob | I found #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95907/ | 17:29 |
| sarob | Heat team is working on very similar | 17:30 |
| sarob | I spoke with ptl, interested in working together | 17:30 |
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| sarob | It looks like we will be able make admin upgrades happen by policy | 17:32 |
| sarob | With a lot of help from our heat friend | 17:32 |
| sarob | S | 17:32 |
| sarob | The spec will reflect of this | 17:32 |
| sarob | That's all | 17:32 |
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| arosen | sarob: cool, i'll read through that spec looks like a good usecase. | 17:33 |
| sarob | Pretty common activity | 17:33 |
| sarob | Yup | 17:33 |
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| pballand | that’s very interesting - from skimming the spec, it looks like congress is positioned to handle the ‘observed state’, and achieve ‘desired state’ through policy - it would still be up to heat to take the desired state and translate that to actions on the infrastructure | 17:34 |
| banix | sarob: nice. will read. | 17:34 |
| pballand | will definitely read more carefully :) | 17:34 |
| sarob | Pballand yup, it's great timing they are starting this effort now | 17:34 |
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| sarob | More help and collaboration equals maximum goodness | 17:35 |
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| arosen | :) | 17:36 |
| sarob | We should schedule a congress mini summit, closer to Juno-m2 | 17:37 |
| skn_ | Sounds like a plan :) | 17:37 |
| sarob | Get our team and collab project leads together | 17:37 |
| sarob | Mestery mstill etc | 17:37 |
| pballand | that’s a great idea | 17:37 |
| sarob | #action sarob work with teams on jm2 mini summit | 17:38 |
| skn_ | And what’s the goal: to come up with a blueprint? | 17:38 |
| sarob | Skn_ I'd expect more are we in sync with our bp deliver dates | 17:39 |
| sarob | Coordination between projects | 17:39 |
| skn_ | Got it! | 17:40 |
| sarob | What's broken and not stuff | 17:40 |
| skn_ | sarob: That’ll be great | 17:40 |
| sarob | ;) | 17:40 |
| skn_ | Better interfacing | 17:40 |
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| skn_ | between congress and other policy and core projects? | 17:41 |
| sarob | Synergy, yessss | 17:41 |
| sarob | Skn_ yup | 17:41 |
| skn_ | I’m all for it, it would be very useful | 17:42 |
| sarob | I'm thoughted out | 17:42 |
| sarob | Skn_ cool | 17:42 |
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| pballand | great ides, thanks sarob | 17:42 |
| * sarob stopped clock is right twice a day | 17:43 | |
| pballand | that’s it for this week | 17:43 |
| banix | bye all | 17:43 |
| pballand | looking forward to seeing progress on code, specs and reviews | 17:44 |
| sarob | See ya | 17:44 |
| pballand | bye! | 17:44 |
| pballand | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 17:44:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 19:00:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| briancurtin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PythonOpenStackSDK#Agenda_for_2014-07-01_1900_UTC | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | If you're here for the python-openstacksdk meeting, say hi | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:01 |
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| edleafe | Ed Leafe, Rackspace | 19:01 |
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| edleafe | <crickets> | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:03 |
| jamielennox | Jamie Lennox, Red Hat | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | if the meeting started, sorry I’m late | 19:03 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: didn't miss anything, was just waiting for people to roll in | 19:04 |
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| briancurtin | there are a whole bunch of reviews out there which are dependencies of examples and resources, but they're all fairly small. of those deps, two are probably worth talking about, while the rest just need a quick eye | 19:05 |
| briancurtin | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102607/ -- Change transport JSON handling | 19:05 |
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| briancurtin | it would be nice to have that is_redirect | 19:07 |
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| briancurtin | but this seems ok to me as far as i understand | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | sorry I'm late…is that 102607 you're talking about? | 19:08 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer: yep | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | I am a little confused on how that would work on a redirect | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | there are two things going on there, is_redirect was one, the other was that it didn't decode JSON after a redirect, which AFAIK is possible | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | or properly handle not-JSON when JSON was expected. ok, 3 things | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: I don't think the response being a redirect has any relation on decoding the returned body JSON | 19:12 |
| terrylhowe | well, if it is a redirect, we shouldn’t bother decoding the body | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | then why follow the redirect? that's the response you asked for | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | if the current response is a redirect to a new url, we shouldn’t decode the body | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | the entire follow-redirect is handled in the _send_request call, so you'll either get what you wanted or an exception due to some redirect error condition | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | okay, I guess I didn’t completely understand the tests last time | 19:15 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: good on this or any more questions? | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | good | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103677/ -- Add support for HEAD requests of resources | 19:17 |
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| briancurtin | i moved it out of get into its own head call now, so hopefully that makes sense. 'head' had to come up somewhere, wasn't sure if it was better standing by itself or inside of get (which was kind of dumb thinking back on it) | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer | briancurtin: I like that better…don't forget to update the commit message (still has head=True) | 19:19 |
| briancurtin | ah, will do | 19:19 |
| terrylhowe | I like that and I guess my only question is are we going to have any way to not include header values in the body on a put? | 19:19 |
| terrylhowe | maybe it should be handled as an attribute of Prop or maybe you guys feel it just doesn’t matter | 19:20 |
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| briancurtin | hm, not really sure | 19:22 |
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| terrylhowe | Maybe Prop could have a header boolean or something | 19:24 |
| jamielennox | does it make sense for a HEAD call to construct an object? | 19:24 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: that could work | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | for swift I think it does | 19:25 |
| jamielennox | ok | 19:25 |
| briancurtin | yeah i'm not really sure about other uses, but for swift yes | 19:25 |
| jamielennox | swift is weird | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | yarp | 19:25 |
| briancurtin | really the only other one i saw is in keystone for verification | 19:25 |
| briancurtin | (other one meaning other HEAD usage) | 19:26 |
| jamielennox | yep, keystone uses it as essentially a boolean | 19:26 |
| jamielennox | return 200 if good, 404 or something else if bad | 19:26 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: is Prop gaining a header bool something that should go in here, or separate? | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | if there is going to be a change to Prop for header values, that could be later | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | I think | 19:28 |
| briancurtin | ok cool | 19:28 |
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| briancurtin | i think the rest of the accessory/dep changes are small enough to just say "take a look" instead of going 1-by-1 here | 19:29 |
| briancurtin | then there's the three example scripts that build on each other | 19:30 |
| briancurtin | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102590/ -- Example create command | 19:30 |
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| briancurtin | my only thought is maybe that common.py change should be broken out, but it's not the end of the world | 19:30 |
| briancurtin | otherwise, and like the rest of them, it's not bad | 19:31 |
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| briancurtin | the others are basically the same -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102591/ -- Add example delete and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102922/ -- Add example get | 19:36 |
| briancurtin | could eventually refactor them into something more common, but working example scripts that stand by themselves are better than something fancy at the moment | 19:36 |
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| briancurtin | alrighty, nothing there then | 19:40 |
| briancurtin | #topic resources | 19:40 |
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| briancurtin | anything on the network or image resources? fwiw, the swift account one looks basically the same, just putting it back together after changing things up a bit | 19:41 |
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| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99463/ | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | if this basic pattern is good enough, I could crank out a lot of those | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | I know it they need to be filled out with more useful methods like “upload” for images, but that could come later | 19:42 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i dont really have anything against it, and im basically planning on doing the same thing with this swift one | 19:43 |
| jamielennox | terrylhowe: yea - it looks a lot like how i was thinking | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i think it's good enough to build on, so i'm going to give another thorough look right after this and i think we're good to push on there | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | I think it might be good to take one function out to what you would consider to be the high-level API before making a lot of copies before the underlying bits are painful to change. I know I learned a LOT doing that in OSC... | 19:44 |
| terrylhowe | well, upload might be too complicated to use as an example | 19:45 |
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| terrylhowe | we might learn more actually using one of the examples | 19:46 |
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| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102593/ | 19:52 |
| terrylhowe | I really don’t have much to add to network at the moment | 19:52 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: for package naming with a version in it, we have the image one with v1 and this with v2_0 - should it be v2 or should the v1 gain something? | 19:54 |
| terrylhowe | tough call, it follows the api now | 19:55 |
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| terrylhowe | dtroyer: might have an opinion on versioning | 19:56 |
| dtroyer | of course! ;) | 19:56 |
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| dtroyer | For the purposes of module paths, I don't imagine duplicating trees for minor version changes | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | so i'd be happy with /v1, /v2, etc and hand;e minor stuff in-line as required | 19:57 |
| terrylhowe | sounds good to me | 19:57 |
| briancurtin | i like it | 19:57 |
| briancurtin | anything else to squeeze in the last 2 min? | 19:58 |
| terrylhowe | some soccer game in a minute or so | 19:59 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 20:00:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| briancurtin | and now time for this city to go nuts over soccer (big viewing party at Soldier Field) | 20:01 |
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