| kfox1111 | we really need that cache. :/ | 00:00 |
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| pron | hey friends | 00:02 |
| pron | anyone can comment little bit about kollas netowkr cnfig? | 00:02 |
| pron | i am not sure wha functionality lives where =) | 00:03 |
| pron | neutron_external_interface, is where public etoworks live? | 00:03 |
| openstackgerrit | sayantani proposed openstack/kolla: Clean up kolla-ansible related files from Kolla https://review.openstack.org/406429 | 00:04 |
| sayantan_ | Hi pron | 00:05 |
| pron | hey | 00:05 |
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| sayantan_ | Yes, you can do that. You can assign a public IP to the neutron_external_interface | 00:06 |
| pron | how its ment to be used? | 00:06 |
| sayantan_ | In that way, you can access the services using public URL of the service endpoints | 00:06 |
| pron | if you open globals.conf | 00:06 |
| pron | there are bunc of interfaces | 00:06 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: we can disable ubuntu until they catch up | 00:07 |
| pron | tunnel_interface is interface where all privat networks live? | 00:07 |
| SamYaple | pron: no, it is where all of the tunneled networks live | 00:08 |
| SamYaple | pron: as in vxlan or gre tunneled networks | 00:08 |
| sbezverk | so far we did not see any differences in behavior of our code on centos and ubuntu | 00:08 |
| pron | sbezverk: okay | 00:09 |
| sayantan_ | Sorry, I read it as kolla_external_vip | 00:09 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: its not voting, so we can just ignore it. | 00:09 |
| sbezverk | pron: sorry, my message was for kfox1111 | 00:10 |
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| sbezverk | kfox1111: can we attach jinja2 teamplating to helm? the way they deal with variables just kills me :-( | 00:11 |
| pron | :]] okay | 00:11 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: would be nice. they have a template engine flag so in theory it coudl work. | 00:11 |
| kfox1111 | but they would have to do soeme hard work to get python working with go. | 00:12 |
| kfox1111 | I don't think it will happen any time soon. :/ | 00:12 |
| sayantan_ | kfox1111 if we create a public network once openstack is deployed using Kolla, won't it be connected to the neutron_external_interface through a bridge? | 00:12 |
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| sayantan_ | Oh. That's the external_network_interface | 00:13 |
| kfox1111 | sayantan_: kolla-kubernetes or kolla-ansible? | 00:14 |
| kfox1111 | I think with kolla-ansible, thats true. | 00:14 |
| sayantan_ | Oh, it would be different for kolla-kubernetes? | 00:14 |
| sayantan_ | I have very limited knowledge on kolla-kubernetes | 00:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Switch to helm 2.1.0 and kubernetes 1.5+ https://review.openstack.org/410464 | 00:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Switch to helm 2.1.0 and kubernetes 1.5+ https://review.openstack.org/410464 | 00:22 |
| sayantan_ | Pron, you can refer to this document for for information | 00:22 |
| sayantan_ | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/kolla/production-architecture-guide.html#interface-configuration | 00:22 |
| pron | sayantan_: <3 thx | 00:22 |
| sayantan_ | You need a minimum of two interfaces on your host machines to start with. One should be used as the network_interface and the other as neutron_external_interface. You must edit the globals.yml file to configure these two interfaces | 00:25 |
| SamYaple | sayantan_: it can all be done with a single interface | 00:26 |
| SamYaple | https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/ansible/group_vars/all.yml#L105 | 00:27 |
| sayantan_ | I agree | 00:27 |
| sayantan_ | But in that case wouldn't we need veth etc? | 00:28 |
| SamYaple | nah you wouldn't | 00:28 |
| SamYaple | the issue is when it adds the interface into openvsiwtch/linuxbridge it drops connections and you have to move the ip up | 00:28 |
| pron | sayantan_: okay i have 2 interfaces ( bridges with lacp ) one for network_interface and other for storage, that was the plan | 00:29 |
| kfox1111 | I haven't done it with kolla, but I have a cloud running off of single 40g ports trunked in. so openstack does support it. | 00:29 |
| SamYaple | it actually could be orchastrated, but kolla-ansible "doesnt touch the host" | 00:29 |
| SamYaple | kfox1111: its not an openstack thing, its an orchastration thing. | 00:29 |
| kfox1111 | SamYaple: k. | 00:29 |
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| pron | sayantan_: and the plan was to put tagged vlans on the nonstorage one and pyt other stuff there | 00:29 |
| SamYaple | pron: you can't use a bridge as the interface direction, because that interface gets added to a bridge itself for neutron | 00:30 |
| pron | SamYaple: how to solve lacp then? | 00:30 |
| SamYaple | lacp isnt bridging | 00:30 |
| SamYaple | lscp is bonding | 00:30 |
| SamYaple | lacp* | 00:31 |
| pron | ah well | 00:31 |
| pron | yes | 00:31 |
| pron | so | 00:31 |
| pron | i am fine then | 00:31 |
| SamYaple | bridging is a different thing. are you saying you have two bonds? one for storage and one for everything else? | 00:31 |
| pron | yes i do have binds | 00:31 |
| pron | bonds* | 00:31 |
| pron | my bad | 00:31 |
| SamYaple | ok. thats doable, but its a bit tricky | 00:31 |
| SamYaple | i would recommend setting up a vlan on that bond, for example bond0.10 for vlan 10 | 00:32 |
| SamYaple | and using that for "network_interface" | 00:32 |
| pron | do i need that neutron interface if i dont plan to use vlans for my private netowrks | 00:32 |
| pron | ? | 00:32 |
| SamYaple | well you need vlan or flat network for external network pron | 00:33 |
| SamYaple | if you dont have that you can't get to the internet from you instances | 00:33 |
| sayantan_ | SamYaple, are you saying that we can use the same physical interface for both network_interface and neutron_external_interface? | 00:33 |
| SamYaple | sayantan_: yea | 00:33 |
| sayantan_ | oh, got it | 00:33 |
| SamYaple | sayantan_: _really_ easy when you use vlans | 00:33 |
| sayantan_ | I agree | 00:34 |
| SamYaple | sayantan_: 'network_interface: bond0.10' 'neutron_external_inteface: bond0' | 00:34 |
| pron | SamYaple: amm i can make a vlan for that and put it as interface for neutron interface? | 00:34 |
| SamYaple | without vlans its trickier, there is a chicken-and-egg problem | 00:34 |
| SamYaple | pron: you can. but you can only use that as a "flat" interface in neutron then | 00:34 |
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| pron | do i have to speify it somehwere? | 00:35 |
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| pron | somewhere else i mean | 00:35 |
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| SamYaple | pron: what are your interface names, and what vlans would you like to do what? i can give you a sample config | 00:36 |
| pron | no all of them are there | 00:36 |
| sayantan_ | SamYaple I think we should document this part | 00:37 |
| SamYaple | sayantan_: should all be documented | 00:37 |
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| SamYaple | pron: http://paste.openstack.org/show/592407/ | 00:38 |
| SamYaple | if you want vlans for neutron, leave the neutron interface bare (just "bond0") | 00:38 |
| pron | SamYaple: http://pastebin.com/7XXCNRVK | 00:38 |
| pron | SamYaple: its goin this way | 00:39 |
| pron | so what happens when i need ot add one more external network? | 00:39 |
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| SamYaple | pron: with flat networking, its not really setup to do that | 00:39 |
| SamYaple | youd have to do it with external commands, and thats not documented | 00:39 |
| SamYaple | though it is safe | 00:40 |
| SamYaple | with vlan networks, its really easy | 00:40 |
| pron | but then i need dedicated boundx for that? | 00:40 |
| pron | and that starts ti be abit tricky | 00:41 |
| pron | especialy if one wants lacp on double switches | 00:41 |
| SamYaple | what? | 00:41 |
| pron | well | 00:41 |
| pron | if you want 2 switches for storage, you need 2 interfaces right? | 00:42 |
| pron | ad so on | 00:43 |
| SamYaple | no? | 00:43 |
| SamYaple | thats not how networking works, no | 00:43 |
| SamYaple | if you are talking about lacp bonding, you have multiple interfaces in the bond, but only one interface presented to you ("bond0") | 00:44 |
| pron | yes | 00:44 |
| SamYaple | so for configuration you would only be refering to bond0 | 00:44 |
| SamYaple | what goes on behind the bond is a different story | 00:44 |
| pron | yes but that means i need 3 bond interfaces | 00:45 |
| SamYaple | you cant use two different bonds for storage if thats what you are asking | 00:46 |
| pron | unless i can have same interfaces in multiple bonds | 00:46 |
| SamYaple | thats not how networking works htough | 00:47 |
| SamYaple | im not sure what you are trying to do | 00:47 |
| pron | no that is not what i am asking :P | 00:47 |
| pron | i am saying that if i need to have dedicted interface ( bond in my case ) for neutron_netwrk, that meeans i need aditional 2 nics for that | 00:48 |
| SamYaple | in kolla, there are 5 types of traffic. you can send them over whatever interface you would like. neutron traffic (flat/vlan), neutron traffic (tunnel), storage, api, external (like public ip for endpoints) | 00:48 |
| pron | unless same interfaces can be in the sme bond ( i dint think it works tha way ) | 00:48 |
| SamYaple | yea, all of these interfaces can use the same bond | 00:49 |
| SamYaple | kolla _can_ run on a single interface | 00:49 |
| SamYaple | though that can be tricky to configure | 00:49 |
| pron | so | 00:49 |
| pron | there is smething i am missing =0 | 00:50 |
| pron | so kolla can handle multple flat public netoworks? | 00:51 |
| pron | i think thats what i want to ask | 00:51 |
| SamYaple | you can configure that, but you have to configure it by hand. kolla does not have any support for setting up the proper openvswitch bonds for _multiple_ flat interfaces | 00:52 |
| SamYaple | however, it sounds like you are going to be using vlans, so im confused as to why you want to do flat networking | 00:52 |
| pron | okay | 00:52 |
| pron | lets forget abound bonds | 00:53 |
| pron | how do i achive thos with 2 interfaces | 00:53 |
| pron | if one of them is dedicated to storage | 00:53 |
| SamYaple | with no vlans, you cannot do this with 2 interfaces if one of them is storage | 00:53 |
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| SamYaple | flat networking requires the whole interface | 00:54 |
| duonghq | morning guys | 00:54 |
| pron | we are circledancing ;( | 00:54 |
| SamYaple | duonghq: morning. updated your zero downtime patch with some comments | 00:54 |
| pron | SamYaple: i can configure vlans, i want to use kolla, and wwant to have more then one public network | 00:55 |
| duonghq | SamYaple, I just read your comment, tyvm | 00:55 |
| pron | SamYaple: how to get this done | 00:55 |
| pron | :P | 00:55 |
| SamYaple | duonghq: sorry for confusion about neutron upgrade. i was mistake :) | 00:55 |
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| SamYaple | pron: does the external network ("public network") need to be a flat network? | 00:55 |
| duonghq | SamYaple, np, you comment is invaluable, | 00:56 |
| pron | i start to think i am not sure what the term "flat netowk" means | 00:56 |
| duonghq | SamYaple, I thought about your approach once before but don't pay much attention to it, until you bring it to your comment | 00:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Switch to helm 2.1.0 and kubernetes 1.5+ https://review.openstack.org/410464 | 00:57 |
| SamYaple | pron: "flat network" is a neutron network that goes over the raw/bare interface. vlan network is a network that neutron encpsulates in a vlan | 00:57 |
| SamYaple | pron: i believe you want vlan networks for what its worth. thats teh common setup | 00:57 |
| pron | yes | 00:57 |
| pron | so | 00:58 |
| SamYaple | if you want vlan networks, this is what your config should look like based on your other info http://paste.openstack.org/show/592408/ | 00:59 |
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| pron | SamYaple: this looks weird for me | 01:00 |
| pron | cause bond0 is also used for provisioning | 01:01 |
| Pavo | flat networks are networks that are eternal and do not need a VLAN ID | 01:01 |
| Pavo | external* | 01:01 |
| Pavo | basically like pluggin into a access port | 01:02 |
| pron | or as everyone else calls it, untagged? | 01:02 |
| Pavo | yeap | 01:03 |
| pron | ~.~ | 01:03 |
| Pavo | untagged=access tagged=trunked | 01:03 |
| pron | untagged=access=flat!!!!! | 01:03 |
| pron | :P | 01:03 |
| Pavo | roger | 01:04 |
| pron | at least we fogured that out | 01:04 |
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| SamYaple | pron: bond0 in this case would be an interface that was used by neutron to send tagged vlan traffic only. if you used it as a "flat" network it would send traffic out bond0 untagged | 01:17 |
| SamYaple | using it as a flat network is not common | 01:17 |
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| kfox1111 | hmm... | 01:20 |
| kfox1111 | did job output fetching change? | 01:20 |
| kfox1111 | in 1.5? | 01:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Switch to helm 2.1.0 and kubernetes 1.5+ https://review.openstack.org/410464 | 01:22 |
| pron | SamYaple: the flat ( untagged ) netowrk will be used on bond0 for provisioning | 01:22 |
| pron | maas in our case | 01:22 |
| pron | anyways 3:30 am here gn fols and thx for your time | 01:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Switch to helm 2.1.0 and kubernetes 1.5+ https://review.openstack.org/410464 | 01:45 |
| kfox1111 | they seem to have changed the behavior of pod listing slightly via the cli. :/ | 01:45 |
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| srwilkers | evening o/ | 01:54 |
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| kfox1111 | thats alittle better... | 01:59 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: hi. | 01:59 |
| kfox1111 | o/ | 01:59 |
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| kfox1111 | hmm... the renaming the node after the ip trick fails now... | 02:08 |
| kfox1111 | fun. | 02:08 |
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| why_dejavu | hello | 02:08 |
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| srwilkers | hey kfox1111 o/ | 02:14 |
| srwilkers | hey sdake | 02:14 |
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| kfox1111 | getting closer... | 02:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Switch to helm 2.1.0 and kubernetes 1.5+ https://review.openstack.org/410464 | 02:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhangshuai proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Add karbor ansible role https://review.openstack.org/402229 | 02:23 |
| openstackgerrit | qiankun.zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Install tacker-horizon into horizon image https://review.openstack.org/407810 | 02:33 |
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| duonghq | sup kfox1111 | 02:41 |
| kfox1111 | duonghq: hi | 02:45 |
| kfox1111 | its running a long time now. should be close. | 02:45 |
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| duonghq | kfox1111, have we had something about kolla-k8s use case? | 02:48 |
| duonghq | last night I sleep quite early | 02:48 |
| duonghq | We should use spec or...? | 02:48 |
| duonghq | etherpad? | 02:48 |
| kfox1111 | not yet. | 02:50 |
| duonghq | should we use etherpad for jot down some use case? like helm install ..... w/ some configuration? by example? | 02:51 |
| sdake | kfox1111 need to hit the rack - your patch needs the blueprint attached to it | 02:52 |
| kfox1111 | couldn't hurt. though I guess it depends on how contentious it will be. | 02:52 |
| sdake | night all :) | 02:52 |
| duonghq | sdake, night | 02:52 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: good night. | 02:52 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: yeah. just tring to get somethign working. its close. :/ | 02:52 |
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| kfox1111 | etherpad's good for jotting stuff down easily. but it doesn't track changes so hard to ensure stuff isn't changed/removed/dropped. | 02:53 |
| duonghq | kfox1111, just for initial use case | 02:54 |
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| kfox1111 | theres a tun of use cases I think, and I'm sure some will be contentious. :/ | 02:54 |
| kfox1111 | but you can start one if you want. I'll add to it. | 02:54 |
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| kfox1111 | what I'm a bit afraid of, is kind of what was happening. some people give out use cases, and others just shoot it down as not a valid use case, as their favorite tool doesnt' support that easily. | 02:56 |
| kfox1111 | but we should stick to pure use cases, not what tools best for the job. | 02:56 |
| duonghq | kfox1111, can you give me some example? | 02:56 |
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| duonghq | I think we should done this quickly then we can put something on service layer for O | 02:57 |
| kfox1111 | the whole microservcie thing's a big contentious thing there where is a use case for me and others, and its been continuiously questioned as helms not noramlly used that way. | 02:57 |
| duonghq | kfox1111, agree w/ you on pure user cases | 02:57 |
| kfox1111 | the tool should not be driving use cases, but the use cases driving tools. | 02:58 |
| duonghq | not just helm, I mean kolla-k8s in general | 02:58 |
| kfox1111 | +1 | 02:58 |
| duonghq | and then we can break down it | 02:58 |
| kfox1111 | sounds good to me. :) | 02:58 |
| jascott1 | duonghq i want to do similar for upgrade workflows was that part included in your idea? | 02:59 |
| duonghq | kfox1111, for example: we have 5 top-levels use case, for use case 1, we decides how depth we want user can interact with Kolla and then put some use case for these. | 03:00 |
| duonghq | jascott1, sure | 03:00 |
| duonghq | top-level use cases will like: install openstack, install compute-kit, upgrade cluster,....? (just for example) | 03:01 |
| duonghq | level 2 is: install openstack --options..... | 03:01 |
| duonghq | and then we can try match these use cases down to layer in Ryan's spec | 03:01 |
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| jascott1 | duonghq sounds great to me | 03:05 |
| kfox1111 | duonghq: I've been working on something kind of a kin to a design phylosophy. | 03:06 |
| kfox1111 | kind of writing down how kolla's been operating and kolla-kubernetes has been operating. | 03:06 |
| kfox1111 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1mxHBqkCF7P3Gw95QiHh/ | 03:06 |
| kfox1111 | thoughts on it? | 03:07 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: you too? | 03:07 |
| kfox1111 | pastebin didn't wrap that well. :/ | 03:08 |
| portdirect | o/ | 03:08 |
| jascott1 | portdirect o/ | 03:08 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: hi. :) you too if you don't mind? :) | 03:08 |
| kfox1111 | and anyone else who wants. :) | 03:08 |
| * kfox1111 covers all bases | 03:08 | |
| duonghq | kfox1111, nice | 03:08 |
| * portdirect rebooting brain | 03:09 | |
| jascott1 | I think #4 will be *the* selling point eventually | 03:09 |
| jascott1 | and 3 | 03:09 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: yeah. | 03:10 |
| duonghq | kfox1111, so I'll drop a use case on doc/ in kolla-k8s? just for change tracking, (do not merge?) but it'll consume some gerrit resource due to we have not had good tox config | 03:10 |
| duonghq | it's ok? kfox1111 jascott1 | 03:10 |
| jascott1 | i agree | 03:10 |
| duonghq | use_case.rst for ex | 03:10 |
| kfox1111 | duonghq: works for me. | 03:10 |
| portdirect | duonghq: im was going to get a thing on the mailing list but toally passed out after the meeting :/ | 03:11 |
| kfox1111 | darn... well, its continuing on, as its stuck now. :/ | 03:11 |
| kfox1111 | and its all ipv6 backed so I cna't see where its stuck. hate when that happens. :/ | 03:11 |
| kfox1111 | its got only maybe 10ish mroe min though. | 03:11 |
| kfox1111 | hard slimit. | 03:11 |
| jascott1 | duonghq mentioned in meeting this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-kubernetes/+spec/helm-deployment-upgrade , thinking these workflows would be separate | 03:13 |
| duonghq | jascott1, I'm reading your bp, moment, network at my place is starting slow down | 03:15 |
| duonghq | jascott1, you mean workflow from technical PoV? | 03:15 |
| jascott1 | not much there but wanted to start something to start so we could gather these upgrade cases down | 03:15 |
| jascott1 | oh is that overloaded | 03:16 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: bp looks good. | 03:16 |
| jascott1 | ? | 03:16 |
| duonghq | jascott1, just good | 03:16 |
| jascott1 | cool thx | 03:16 |
| jascott1 | i wouldnt say it im nervous but wont feel relaxed until weve shown how the whole thing will work ;) | 03:17 |
| kfox1111 | +1. | 03:18 |
| kfox1111 | I'm abit afraid by design by committee too much on this one. | 03:18 |
| jascott1 | isnt that OSS life? | 03:18 |
| jascott1 | :D | 03:18 |
| kfox1111 | have you guys read the mythical man month? | 03:18 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: in some orgs. | 03:19 |
| jascott1 | i have not | 03:19 |
| jascott1 | nor rework. man i need to read more | 03:19 |
| kfox1111 | very good book. I recommend it. | 03:19 |
| kfox1111 | if nothing else, so you chan help your managers understand some of the mistakes that plague sofware development. | 03:19 |
| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Add murano dashboard into horizon source image https://review.openstack.org/410669 | 03:20 |
| jascott1 | might check it out over the holiday | 03:20 |
| jascott1 | plan to do nothing but read non sw related things as much as possible but wont count that one | 03:20 |
| kfox1111 | they talk about something they call the surgeon model. | 03:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Duong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Use case for kolla-kubernetes https://review.openstack.org/411043 | 03:22 |
| kfox1111 | basically, the idea there is in surgery, they nominate one lead cutter. that person keeps track of the others so that the patient doesn't bleed out. | 03:22 |
| kfox1111 | kind of the too many cooks thing. | 03:23 |
| kfox1111 | in opensource, lots of contirbutors is a good thing most of the time. | 03:23 |
| kfox1111 | when bootstrapping a project though, it can sometimes prevent the sofware from being bootstrapepd if there are too many conflicting intrests and lack of communication and not well defined goals, etc. | 03:24 |
| kfox1111 | the various surgeon's just keep cutting on their part and all it ends up with is a bloody mess. :/ | 03:24 |
| portdirect | kfox1111: i hear what you are sayingbut rememeber over 50% of the cruurent codebase has been written by you i think? | 03:25 |
| kfox1111 | I don't think its that much. | 03:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Duong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: [DO NOT MERGE] Use case for kolla-kubernetes https://review.openstack.org/411043 | 03:25 |
| kfox1111 | I've probably touched that much of it. but didn't write that much I think. | 03:25 |
| duonghq | kfox1111, jascott1 should I send out a email for notice about this ps? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411043/ | 03:25 |
| portdirect | kfox1111: http://stackalytics.com/?module=kolla-kubernetes&metric=loc | 03:26 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: http://stackalytics.com/?module=kolla-kubernetes&metric=loc&release=all | 03:26 |
| portdirect | anyway i wasnt trying to attack you with that statment, just recognising how much yu have contributed to getting the probject up and running | 03:27 |
| kfox1111 | and a fair amount of what I've done is combining things, generalizing things, etc. so others code repackages. which I think counts me up further then due. | 03:28 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: yeah. no attack percieved. just wanting to give credit where its due. :) | 03:28 |
| kfox1111 | duonghq: sure | 03:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: [DO NOT MERGE] Use case for kolla-kubernetes https://review.openstack.org/411043 | 03:31 |
| kfox1111 | interesting. I'v enever tried using gerrit this weay. but works pretty good. :) | 03:31 |
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| kfox1111 | gate finally failed... | 03:32 |
| kfox1111 | k. got pretty far really. | 03:33 |
| kfox1111 | looks like glance isn't running though. | 03:33 |
| v1k0d3n | hey portdirect | 03:34 |
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| v1k0d3n | you mentioned that there could be an interesting way to spin up docker builds inside of a docker container? | 03:34 |
| v1k0d3n | mind sharing your thoughts? | 03:34 |
| * portdirect talks a good game | 03:34 | |
| v1k0d3n | lol dude...you have game. :) | 03:34 |
| v1k0d3n | you're like lebron james man | 03:34 |
| portdirect | right - so you wanna go full dind? | 03:35 |
| portdirect | so the main issue with the dind stuff that you are using (affaik) is that it is using vfs at the storage driver | 03:37 |
| openstackgerrit | zhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Integrate ceph-rgw with keystone https://review.openstack.org/406971 | 03:37 |
| v1k0d3n | i'm in all the way. bought into kube based docker builds. | 03:37 |
| portdirect | it does this as its the saftest thing for it to do | 03:37 |
| v1k0d3n | finishing up this container. working pretty well, but as always could be faster. | 03:37 |
| portdirect | but if you can move to overlay2 you will get much better performance | 03:37 |
| portdirect | the other thisn is in your ci/cd system you may be able to sidestep koll build for the building whihch may help you | 03:38 |
| portdirect | have ajob that reneder out the dockerfile templates and then load the output into a get repo | 03:38 |
| portdirect | Git | 03:38 |
| portdirect | then use your build jobs to build direct from those prerendered dockerfiles | 03:39 |
| portdirect | and run mutiple jobs sysmutaniously to distribute the workload | 03:39 |
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| v1k0d3n | ah, yeah. | 03:41 |
| v1k0d3n | so for poc we're using the container; again as i stated for "impact". opens the door for namespaces and basic claim concepts for future architect. then for 1-2Q we're definitely going with something more robust. | 03:42 |
| v1k0d3n | we have a few groups that are just crazy good at CI | 03:42 |
| v1k0d3n | digital entertainment is amazing (DirecTV folks in el segundo) | 03:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Switch to helm 2.1.0 and kubernetes 1.5+ https://review.openstack.org/410464 | 03:45 |
| duonghq | portdirect, are you working on ceph-osd microservice? or I'll take care that | 03:47 |
| portdirect | yours if you want it! | 03:47 |
| kfox1111 | duonghq: start with the ps in review right now. has a few fixes. | 03:47 |
| kfox1111 | unfortunately, some of the existing ps's will need a bit of reworkign there too. | 03:48 |
| kfox1111 | would have bee nreally nice if 1.5 hit one week later. :/ | 03:48 |
| kfox1111 | oh well. | 03:48 |
| duonghq | kfox1111, thank you | 03:48 |
| kfox1111 | np. | 03:48 |
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| portdirect | yeah - I've got the upstream working really well here and am about to put some pull requests in over there, but not sure if its reall sutable for what we have? | 03:51 |
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| Pavo | in /usr/share/kolla/ansible/roles/baremetal/templates/docker_systemd_service.j2 why is there 2 ExecStart=? | 03:56 |
| duonghq | Pavo, it's for append 2nd line to current ExecStart setting | 03:57 |
| duonghq | or it'll override | 03:57 |
| Pavo | oh ok what about -H fd:// in the same file | 03:57 |
| Pavo | because if I delete that line and the first ExecStart= empty line I can use docker-engine 1.12.0 | 03:58 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: sure. :) | 03:58 |
| portdirect | kfox1111: dont follow? | 03:59 |
| portdirect | got right notes here if yo want to check em out? | 03:59 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: how is 1.5? running? | 03:59 |
| portdirect | at home and ccant ssh back into work :/ | 03:59 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: very close now I think. | 04:00 |
| portdirect | *right - rough | 04:00 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410464/ | 04:00 |
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| kfox1111 | last round identified a bunch of init containers not having the pull yet. but most of the services started. | 04:00 |
| kfox1111 | I fixed all the ones it identified. so maybe one or two more rounds I thinik should do it. | 04:01 |
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| Pavo | like this duonghq | 04:02 |
| Pavo | http://paste.openstack.org/show/592414/ | 04:02 |
| kfox1111 | I think I fixed the issue with multinode too. | 04:02 |
| duonghq | Pavo, strange | 04:03 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: ps getting bigger and bigger ;-) | 04:03 |
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| duonghq | Pavo, seems that 2nd line mess up with default setting or other setting | 04:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible: Allow neutron-fwaas to be enabled in Neutron https://review.openstack.org/398336 | 04:03 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: yeah. :/ | 04:03 |
| Pavo | yeah I did a yum update which updated docker-engine on the target nodes and it would not start the docker daemon | 04:04 |
| kfox1111 | I'm realy disapointed in k8s over a few things they did that broke things. | 04:04 |
| Pavo | I removed those lines and now I am using docker-engine 1.12.0 and works fine now | 04:04 |
| kfox1111 | we should show k8s the completed patch when done. | 04:04 |
| Pavo | so... duonghq think I am gonna change the docker-engine version in the defaults/main.yml file to 1.12.* to allow supporting newest docker engine | 04:06 |
| kfox1111 | is docker 1.12+ supporting that use case officially? | 04:07 |
| duonghq | Pavo, which repo do you get the docker from? | 04:07 |
| Pavo | docker engine? | 04:07 |
| duonghq | yup | 04:07 |
| Pavo | public mirror that is chosen by which one is closest to me | 04:08 |
| duonghq | I mean from distro's repo or Docker'srepo\ | 04:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Add monasca images https://review.openstack.org/406422 | 04:09 |
| kfox1111 | so close now... | 04:10 |
| kfox1111 | http://logs.openstack.org/64/410464/17/check/gate-kolla-kubernetes-deploy-centos-binary-external-ovs-nv/d5afe51/console.html | 04:11 |
| kfox1111 | vms launched. cinder working. glance working. | 04:11 |
| kfox1111 | looks like maybe just a little more neutron.... | 04:11 |
| Pavo | duonghq I did a normal yum update which is from CentOS 7 distro repo | 04:11 |
| duonghq | Pavo, okay | 04:11 |
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| Pavo | duonghq when I deployed kolla installs docker-engine 1.11.* and if you do a yum update it will update the docker-engine to 1.12.0 and since those settings are already in the systemd file after updating the docker daemon will not start because of those lines being in the systemd file, removing those lines will allow the docker daemon to start and allow the docker containers to use the newest docker-engine | 04:14 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: Unless I am missing it, but I do not see openvswitch running in the log you pasted | 04:15 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. thats the external ovs job. | 04:15 |
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| duonghq | Pavo, these lines override default docker settings, I didn't use it recently, soryr | 04:21 |
| kfox1111 | The DaemonSet "neutron-dhcp-agent" is invalid: spec.template.spec.initContainers[1].imagePullPolicy: Required value here we go... | 04:21 |
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| kfox1111 | oh. it was a second init container... | 04:22 |
| Pavo | duonghq yeah but those settings changed with docker-engine 1.12.0 and since thats the latest version of the docker-engine, I would assume we would want people to use the latest docker-engine since it provides newer features, security patches and so on | 04:24 |
| Pavo | correct? | 04:24 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: I am off now, talk yo you tomorrow | 04:24 |
| duonghq | Pavo, sure | 04:24 |
| duonghq | If it can run all container | 04:24 |
| Pavo | duonghq you would mind teaching me how push this up as a proposal to a code change? | 04:24 |
| Pavo | I haven't done that yet and not sure where to start | 04:25 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: k. | 04:25 |
| kfox1111 | please check the review int he morning. should be ready. | 04:25 |
| kfox1111 | good night. | 04:25 |
| duonghq | night kfox1111 | 04:27 |
| kfox1111 | duonghq: I'll be around for a bit longer. | 04:28 |
| duonghq | kfox1111, which is your tz? | 04:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Switch to helm 2.1.0 and kubernetes 1.5+ https://review.openstack.org/410464 | 04:29 |
| kfox1111 | duonghq: pst | 04:29 |
| duonghq | k | 04:29 |
| duonghq | many guys in PST | 04:29 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 04:30 |
| Pavo | EST here | 04:31 |
| duonghq | Why PST but not WST... | 04:32 |
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| kfox1111 | there we go. first success. | 04:51 |
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| portdirect | whoop! | 04:57 |
| portdirect | any idea what might have cause the mariadb crash? - though awesome work kfox1111, thanks man | 04:59 |
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| kfox1111 | not sure yet... | 05:12 |
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| kfox1111 | it kind of looks like a crash too... it seems to start. | 05:16 |
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| kfox1111 | nothing obvious. it just dies..... | 05:21 |
| kfox1111 | Dec 15 04:47:09 localhost kubelet: E1215 04:47:09.747271 22965 runtime.go:64] Observed a panic: "invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference" (runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference) | 05:29 |
| kfox1111 | strange. | 05:29 |
| kfox1111 | gota head out. l8r. | 05:33 |
| jascott1 | woah nil pointer deref wtf | 05:34 |
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| jascott1 | kfox1111 before your well deserved rest, do you have stacktrace? | 05:34 |
| kfox1111 | unfortunately not. | 05:36 |
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| kfox1111 | we may need to crank up debugging and or inject a gdb. | 05:36 |
| kfox1111 | or it may be a kube 1.5 bug. | 05:37 |
| kfox1111 | since it has been so stable, it may be the latter. | 05:37 |
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| kfox1111 | or, it could be a bad vm it landed on. | 05:38 |
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| jascott1 | what log file is that error in? | 05:48 |
| jascott1 | portdirect did you see this? https://github.com/asobti/kube-monkey | 05:49 |
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| portdirect | ahhh! why does everyone send me that?!! I'm perfectly capable of distroying things myself! | 05:53 |
| jascott1 | lol | 05:54 |
| zhangqiankun | LOL | 05:54 |
| portdirect | yeah, v1k0d3n hit me up with that a few days ago, cant wait untill we are at the stage where we can use it, it would be one of the best ways we could validate our work i think | 05:54 |
| jascott1 | i know! | 05:54 |
| v1k0d3n | :) | 05:54 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah, cool stuff. | 05:55 |
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| v1k0d3n | must be making it's twitter rounds. | 05:55 |
| jascott1 | it was on HN a couple days ago methinks | 05:55 |
| portdirect | that would exaplain it | 05:55 |
| portdirect | at the incubator im in (which has foos, and table tennis!) everyones been overely exiticed about it over the last few days :) | 05:56 |
| jascott1 | my intelcubator has foos and tt! | 05:57 |
| v1k0d3n | it's so funny, i'm a huge HN fan...but a lot of stories get circulated between that and twitter these days. | 05:57 |
| v1k0d3n | both are great tools for knowing what's out there! | 05:57 |
| jascott1 | i just dont have anyone to foos with atm, will have to draft inc0 when he gets settled | 05:57 |
| jascott1 | ya reddit is still got some good stuff despite the bad | 05:58 |
| portdirect | yeah - i had to leave reddit recently, just too depressing | 05:58 |
| jascott1 | golang flipped their 5h17 the other day cause of what reddit CEO did, dont know you guys are familar? | 05:58 |
| portdirect | no? | 05:59 |
| portdirect | whats a 5h17? (think is a visa?) | 05:59 |
| jascott1 | r/golang luminaries were talking about shutting down the whole subredit as reaction to reddit CEO editing peoples comments | 05:59 |
| jascott1 | 5h17/sh17/shi7/shit | 06:00 |
| portdirect | oh just worked out your l33t | 06:00 |
| portdirect | ha! | 06:00 |
| jascott1 | but people rebelled, its not official channel for go anyway | 06:00 |
| jascott1 | well not anymore at least | 06:00 |
| jascott1 | but some "big go ppl" were moderators | 06:01 |
| v1k0d3n | man, what a mess that whole situation has become. | 06:01 |
| portdirect | yeah, i think thats the point at whihc you need to call it a day :/ | 06:02 |
| v1k0d3n | kinda hard though. reddit does provide some pretty awesome value. | 06:02 |
| v1k0d3n | just need to get back into a good place. | 06:02 |
| jascott1 | i had lunch with those guys about 6 years ago, they had corner office in Wired (Conde Nast) and my good friends was friendly with them. They took us to lunch and even told us where a cool park was nearby to chill. nice guys | 06:04 |
| jascott1 | those guys = reddit devs | 06:04 |
| jascott1 | the older I get the more i hate that I cannot remember anyones name | 06:05 |
| v1k0d3n | lol | 06:05 |
| v1k0d3n | happens | 06:05 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: exactly, my comments about leaving it, were more a relection of the political climate here in the uk at the moment (let just not go there), as its such a good forum for people to express their opionion. | 06:05 |
| jascott1 | my buddy knows all that, RTS, idk he gets around with his shoulder rubbin | 06:05 |
| v1k0d3n | my teammate and i split knowing various people. it's kind of funny | 06:05 |
| jascott1 | not going there with them crazy lawz | 06:06 |
| v1k0d3n | oh gosh...yeah politics have become a hot mess. both over by you, and over here in the states. | 06:06 |
| jascott1 | we have our own crazy lawz to worry about here :( | 06:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: DO_NOT_MERGE: TEST NEWTON BRANCH https://review.openstack.org/386981 | 06:06 |
| v1k0d3n | jascott1: you're states? | 06:07 |
| openstackgerrit | qiankun.zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Install tacker-horizon into horizon image https://review.openstack.org/407810 | 06:07 |
| jascott1 | Portland | 06:07 |
| jascott1 | OR | 06:07 |
| jascott1 | acutally Hillsboro | 06:07 |
| v1k0d3n | oh that's right...you're working with inc0 now, right? | 06:07 |
| v1k0d3n | intel foks | 06:07 |
| jascott1 | yup! | 06:07 |
| v1k0d3n | very cool! | 06:07 |
| v1k0d3n | portland is a good place. used to do a few jobs out that way when i worked at red hat. | 06:08 |
| jascott1 | except me and Qin and Sayantan are working, inc0 is off traversing the lands w his wife! | 06:08 |
| jascott1 | love it here. even got snow outside right now | 06:08 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah, lucky him. he deserves it though. | 06:08 |
| v1k0d3n | you say that as if it's a good thing :) | 06:08 |
| jascott1 | v1k0d3n are you in desert lands? | 06:08 |
| jascott1 | a little snow is nice | 06:09 |
| v1k0d3n | i'm in charlotte we shut down with just a dash of snow | 06:09 |
| jascott1 | like being a little snowed in when I am prepared as I currently am | 06:09 |
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| jascott1 | oh i used to live in NC | 06:09 |
| v1k0d3n | in fact...the mere thought of snow...no schools | 06:09 |
| jascott1 | Asheville and Boone | 06:09 |
| v1k0d3n | RTP? | 06:09 |
| v1k0d3n | ah! | 06:09 |
| v1k0d3n | love it there. | 06:09 |
| jascott1 | gems | 06:09 |
| v1k0d3n | i would like to move out that way honestly. mountain people are my kind of folks. | 06:10 |
| jascott1 | West NC is awesome | 06:10 |
| jascott1 | not a lot of tech tho | 06:10 |
| v1k0d3n | plus i like to ride motorcycles...so mountains are my jam | 06:10 |
| v1k0d3n | not at all. plenty of beer though :) | 06:10 |
| jascott1 | i msure more than when I was there in 96-2002ish | 06:10 |
| portdirect | pushbikes ftw | 06:10 |
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| v1k0d3n | push or peddle? | 06:11 |
| jascott1 | those places all want to be Eugene OR imo | 06:11 |
| v1k0d3n | really? is that similar to what eugene is like | 06:11 |
| v1k0d3n | ? | 06:11 |
| jascott1 | pushbike? | 06:11 |
| portdirect | peddles :) (what motocrossers call mountainbikers in the uk) | 06:12 |
| jascott1 | to me Eugene is the hippiest place ever and Asheville and Boone trying to be something similiar | 06:12 |
| jascott1 | college towns | 06:12 |
| v1k0d3n | tbh i'm a huge mtnbike fan too :) | 06:12 |
| jascott1 | love it, seen some great shows in all them places | 06:12 |
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| v1k0d3n | oh yeah, they are definitely hippie out there | 06:12 |
| jascott1 | ha played some shows in boone and asheville | 06:13 |
| v1k0d3n | yup i've gone to some good shows in asheville. at the orange peel | 06:13 |
| v1k0d3n | nice! what instrument? | 06:13 |
| jascott1 | at the time bass in a 3 piece prog rock band | 06:14 |
| jascott1 | prog rock but with silliness and humor | 06:14 |
| jascott1 | like zappa without all the talent | 06:14 |
| jascott1 | there is a bar in Blowing Rock that we house band'd at for several months. crazy fun times | 06:14 |
| jascott1 | do you guys play? | 06:15 |
| jascott1 | kolla band! | 06:15 |
| v1k0d3n | portdirect: so totally different approach than your container. | 06:15 |
| v1k0d3n | https://github.com/att-comdev/dockerfiles/tree/master/kolla-builder | 06:15 |
| portdirect | not real insuments :/ used to do a lot of VJ work for Drum&Bass and HipHop stuff here in the uk | 06:15 |
| v1k0d3n | (btw...like yours...just had a certain thought/goal with this) | 06:16 |
| portdirect | did some creazy geeky things - uses to run midi over openvswitch... | 06:16 |
| jascott1 | lol | 06:16 |
| jascott1 | you win | 06:16 |
| jascott1 | idk what the contest was but you won | 06:16 |
| v1k0d3n | haha! | 06:16 |
| v1k0d3n | that's awesome portdirect! seriously? | 06:16 |
| portdirect | dude you acutally played stuff - i just pushed buttons, we both win! | 06:16 |
| v1k0d3n | i like like sounds. | 06:17 |
| v1k0d3n | :) | 06:17 |
| v1k0d3n | i have a few synths, try to play the banjo and guitar. | 06:17 |
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| jascott1 | cool! | 06:17 |
| v1k0d3n | i have a juper 80, access virus, fantom, FA06, Gaia, few others. | 06:17 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: that readme's full of winning :) | 06:17 |
| jascott1 | portdirect as long as music is being made its all good w me | 06:18 |
| v1k0d3n | i try...but i really just love synthesis truth be told. | 06:18 |
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| v1k0d3n | portdirect not really | 06:18 |
| jascott1 | my brother that lives here (also a transplant) plays keys | 06:18 |
| v1k0d3n | just that we get asked all the time...what can you do with a container. i hate that question. so... | 06:18 |
| jascott1 | we play downtown hillsboro and just play whatever we want. its great | 06:19 |
| v1k0d3n | jascott1: where are you orig from? | 06:19 |
| portdirect | yeah dude - i hear ya | 06:19 |
| v1k0d3n | this way? | 06:19 |
| jascott1 | (for us) | 06:19 |
| jascott1 | AL,FL and MS | 06:19 |
| v1k0d3n | portdirect: i just like having a franken-tainer hack | 06:19 |
| jascott1 | i come from south east, grew up on allman brothers and the dead, the band, yes, rush and my fav phish | 06:19 |
| v1k0d3n | that's really all. | 06:19 |
| v1k0d3n | all great bands | 06:20 |
| v1k0d3n | rush is one of my favs | 06:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Optimized reconfigure action for glance https://review.openstack.org/406978 | 06:20 |
| jascott1 | pink floyd of course, zep, jimi etc | 06:20 |
| v1k0d3n | led zep too | 06:20 |
| v1k0d3n | pink floyd definitely that one | 06:20 |
| v1k0d3n | jimi all those. | 06:20 |
| portdirect | +1 to that, and jimi nothing beats that | 06:20 |
| v1k0d3n | agreed | 06:20 |
| v1k0d3n | taken too young | 06:21 |
| v1k0d3n | imagine if some of those lived longer | 06:21 |
| v1k0d3n | wow | 06:21 |
| jascott1 | took wife to see Gillian Welch and Dave Rawlings in Eugene and John Paul Jones from Led Zep was on mandolin and *killing it* | 06:21 |
| * portdirect plays voodo chile on youtube | 06:21 | |
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| jascott1 | jimi's blues album omg | 06:21 |
| jascott1 | not big on classic blues but love the jimi and allman kinda take | 06:22 |
| jascott1 | alright cool we got strings and synth and beat | 06:22 |
| v1k0d3n | i like all music | 06:22 |
| v1k0d3n | anything from beach boys to grunch of the 90s | 06:23 |
| jascott1 | i try kinda but am a little snooty about pop | 06:23 |
| jascott1 | little/lot | 06:23 |
| v1k0d3n | that's why i stopped where i did | 06:23 |
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| portdirect | jascott1: its all good, apart from the stuff that's not. | 06:23 |
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| jascott1 | but yeah I admit its all relative.. try to find something good in there. even if its crap if its popular there was probably hell production values, mixing etc | 06:23 |
| jascott1 | portdirect exactly :) | 06:24 |
| portdirect | yeah the crazy thing is how much of the crap is produced by amazing people | 06:24 |
| jascott1 | att got a music room | 06:24 |
| jascott1 | ? | 06:24 |
| portdirect | but you gotta pay the bills | 06:24 |
| v1k0d3n | i do like quite a few bands from the recent british invasion though; snow patrol, feeder, etc | 06:24 |
| jascott1 | afaik google is the only one I have ever read about | 06:24 |
| portdirect | did sclub7 ever make it over there? | 06:25 |
| v1k0d3n | jascott1: you me? do i have a music room? | 06:25 |
| jascott1 | see im so out of it my brother (who is actualy a couple years older than me) has to try to turn me onto new stuff | 06:25 |
| portdirect | (beause if they did i have storied that are awesome, but not for logged chan :) ) | 06:25 |
| jascott1 | ya | 06:25 |
| v1k0d3n | sort of a music game room | 06:25 |
| jascott1 | haha | 06:25 |
| jascott1 | oh cool | 06:26 |
| v1k0d3n | i like being "that dude" from att | 06:26 |
| v1k0d3n | lol | 06:26 |
| jascott1 | we have a small kolla contingent forming here :) | 06:26 |
| v1k0d3n | i'm sure att likes to be represented by a bullish dude like me :) haahaha | 06:26 |
| v1k0d3n | (which i'm typically not btw....this was a rare week). | 06:26 |
| v1k0d3n | dont think sclub7 ever made it that i'm aware of. | 06:27 |
| jascott1 | ive been talking to you long enough to know you seem pretty cool and reasonable and have great rep | 06:27 |
| v1k0d3n | i know a couple of bucket list items out your way for me is to go to a festival on the isle of wight | 06:28 |
| jascott1 | im sure att is very happy to have you rep'n | 06:28 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: trust me without context it'll make no sense, they were a terrble offshot of a kids tv servies | 06:28 |
| jascott1 | jimi's last show | 06:28 |
| v1k0d3n | but before that is go to the isle of man tt | 06:28 |
| jascott1 | or was it man. dang memory | 06:28 |
| jascott1 | i thought it was white but idk | 06:28 |
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| jascott1 | oh wow Isle of Fehmarn | 06:29 |
| jascott1 | boy i bet rock lore has taken a hit since the advent of this here internet | 06:29 |
| v1k0d3n | never been to any, but would like to go some time. | 06:29 |
| jascott1 | where are you again? sorry i think you told | 06:30 |
| jascott1 | west coast? | 06:30 |
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| jascott1 | portdirect are you going to ptg? | 06:32 |
| portdirect | gonna apply for frunding, didnt realise i just missed the first round | 06:32 |
| portdirect | *funding | 06:32 |
| v1k0d3n | crap port...you're approach was way better :) | 06:33 |
| v1k0d3n | images aren't pushing the way i thought/wanted them too. | 06:33 |
| portdirect | lol | 06:33 |
| jascott1 | talking about DinD? | 06:33 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah, crazy hack | 06:33 |
| portdirect | i hid one of my memes in the base64 for you too | 06:34 |
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| jascott1 | yeah i read "absolutely do not do this" but of course did it and it worked fine for what I was doing | 06:34 |
| v1k0d3n | oh i kept a nice disclaimer on our page too :) | 06:35 |
| portdirect | whats up with pushing though? that should work? | 06:35 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah it really should | 06:35 |
| portdirect | your method looks finw | 06:35 |
| v1k0d3n | thing is it's not logging either, which means the images aren't really...there. | 06:35 |
| v1k0d3n | strange. | 06:35 |
| jascott1 | oh man i want to write some golang anyone need little utility? | 06:35 |
| portdirect | oh on that note - I saw that the tc is reviewing lettig golang into openstack | 06:36 |
| jascott1 | again? | 06:36 |
| portdirect | oh :( | 06:36 |
| jascott1 | they just voted it down recently | 06:36 |
| portdirect | i hoped this was the first time | 06:36 |
| jascott1 | but its been months | 06:36 |
| jascott1 | idk 6 mo ago maybe? | 06:37 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: you running from docker or k8s? | 06:37 |
| jascott1 | it will happen eventually i think/hope | 06:37 |
| v1k0d3n | docker actually as a test | 06:37 |
| * jascott1 is not really py guy | 06:37 | |
| v1k0d3n | i have python error handling. | 06:38 |
| v1k0d3n | just saying | 06:38 |
| jascott1 | i like py and think go stole a lot a good stuff from it ;) | 06:38 |
| jascott1 | but ya go is far from perfect but is perfect for container werld | 06:38 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: try running with -t as well | 06:38 |
| portdirect | also it will be *much* happier if you bind mount /var/lib/docker somewhere | 06:39 |
| v1k0d3n | ^^ good suggestion | 06:39 |
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| v1k0d3n | question, what's a container that has almost no dependancies that i can build? | 06:40 |
| jascott1 | what do you need? | 06:40 |
| v1k0d3n | doing keystone is stupid...takes way too long for a test run. | 06:40 |
| jascott1 | busybox ou mean? | 06:40 |
| jascott1 | oh kolla | 06:40 |
| portdirect | no kolla | 06:40 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah | 06:40 |
| portdirect | opensatck-base, off the top of my head | 06:40 |
| jascott1 | toolbox? sorry idk | 06:40 |
| portdirect | openvswitch-base will be the fastes i think | 06:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Optimized reconfigure action for glance https://review.openstack.org/406978 | 06:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Optimized reconfigure action for nova https://review.openstack.org/407416 | 06:41 |
| portdirect | i dont know how to build just 'base' very time I've tried it builds all of the images with base in the name | 06:42 |
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| v1k0d3n | yeah, that behavior could be improved at some point. | 06:43 |
| jascott1 | there is no way? i though it could do that | 06:44 |
| v1k0d3n | no, portdirect is right...if you say base, it takes everything with base in the name | 06:44 |
| portdirect | probably is, but who read the manual? | 06:44 |
| * v1k0d3n lowers head in shame | 06:44 | |
| * v1k0d3n raises back up | 06:45 | |
| * portdirect is no better | 06:45 | |
| v1k0d3n | that's not really true | 06:45 |
| v1k0d3n | i do a fairly good job | 06:45 |
| v1k0d3n | i think anyone who works with this hipster stuff has to | 06:45 |
| * jascott1 has already confessed to not RTFM for petset upgrade earlier | 06:45 | |
| v1k0d3n | :) | 06:45 |
| * v1k0d3n slams foot on the ground | 06:45 | |
| jascott1 | haha | 06:45 |
| portdirect | i'm that horrible guy who usually just goes to the source, make me feel all superior for 30 seconds, untill the deep felling of regeret and WTF sets in | 06:46 |
| jascott1 | lol | 06:46 |
| v1k0d3n | so portdirect i have to admit | 06:46 |
| v1k0d3n | image sizes are absolutely out of control for a kubernetes architecture standpoint | 06:46 |
| v1k0d3n | like holy yikes | 06:46 |
| portdirect | ok - we can fix that | 06:47 |
| v1k0d3n | building these things in dind...and you REALLY feel the pain | 06:47 |
| portdirect | SamYaple: has deone some awesome things | 06:47 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah, i know. just a realization, that's all | 06:47 |
| v1k0d3n | all fixable | 06:47 |
| portdirect | ive got most things under 150mb with alpine, but thes done stuff with ubuntu that may interest you | 06:48 |
| v1k0d3n | oh that dude's awesome with image sizes. i forget his name...from oracle...went to out out shooting with SamYaple...he's impressed with his image skillz :) | 06:48 |
| * v1k0d3n laughs thinking that he's going to read that tomorrow morning | 06:48 | |
| jascott1 | oh yeah there is a little golang in openstack already in hummingbird (swift) | 06:48 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah, but for us alpine won't work. yet anyway. | 06:49 |
| portdirect | figured | 06:49 |
| v1k0d3n | i would have to find a way to make it work with ubuntu/centos or at least debian something based. | 06:49 |
| jascott1 | wow 150 is big for alpine | 06:49 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah, you know why...CVE's | 06:49 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah, but compared to 700-800 now? | 06:49 |
| v1k0d3n | in kubernetes terms that's like a giant elephant sitting in a bathtub | 06:50 |
| jascott1 | woah havent been paying attention i guess thats insane | 06:50 |
| portdirect | yeah SamYaple's managed to get keystone down to 40mb in ubuntu i think | 06:50 |
| portdirect | (though that image transfer size) | 06:50 |
| v1k0d3n | yup. that's what i'm interested in hearing about | 06:50 |
| jascott1 | squashing? | 06:51 |
| v1k0d3n | yes | 06:51 |
| v1k0d3n | part of it | 06:51 |
| portdirect | yeah | 06:51 |
| portdirect | and stripping out all the rubbish thats in the base container | 06:51 |
| portdirect | i've stopped squashing my images becuase the extra time it tok was a killer | 06:51 |
| portdirect | increases the build but about 3 times in my expereince | 06:52 |
| portdirect | but can save huge amounts of space if you get it right | 06:52 |
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| jascott1 | they should start switching to go, horizon could be 6MB + assets | 06:52 |
| portdirect | sooo... jascott1 you hang with the clearos crew at all? | 06:53 |
| jascott1 | dont know them but work nearby | 06:53 |
| jascott1 | clear containers | 06:53 |
| jascott1 | some other interesting projects, a lot of 01.org projects actually | 06:54 |
| portdirect | yeah i was getting confused i think, but arnt some of the 01.org lot up to a openstack in go kinda thing? | 06:54 |
| jascott1 | i run internal golang "message board" but not a lot of participation :/ | 06:54 |
| jascott1 | which? | 06:55 |
| jascott1 | they have a lot of stuff | 06:55 |
| jascott1 | oh yeah | 06:55 |
| jascott1 | there is but its kinda openstack and k8s ish | 06:56 |
| portdirect | https://github.com/01org/ciao#ciao-project, though haven't looked into it | 06:56 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah portdirect amazingly it skips right over this bash script | 06:57 |
| v1k0d3n | that makes no sense to me | 06:57 |
| jascott1 | i have seen a presentation on it, it was neat. i hope it works out for them cause it looks well made but fear k8s has the mindshare momentum and google name | 06:58 |
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| portdirect | that image pushed? | 06:58 |
| v1k0d3n | nope nothing | 06:58 |
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| v1k0d3n | no worries | 06:59 |
| v1k0d3n | i'll figure it out | 06:59 |
| dupengfei | Hello, For help, When do "helm install", I get Error: could not find a ready tiller pod, what 's the problem? | 06:59 |
| v1k0d3n | it's cake. just annoying cake that you have eat just because you're at a wedding. | 06:59 |
| v1k0d3n | if you do kubectl do you have a tiller container? | 07:00 |
| v1k0d3n | dupengfei: ^^ | 07:00 |
| v1k0d3n | or did you do helm init first? | 07:00 |
| dupengfei | v1k0d3n : No | 07:00 |
| jascott1 | portdirect do you have a gist/wanna make one for that dev setup? i will help propagate from there after I understand it :) no rush, you seem busy | 07:00 |
| v1k0d3n | helm init | 07:01 |
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| dupengfei | v1k0d3n : I have did helm init, it show me "Warning: Tiller is already installed in the cluster." | 07:01 |
| v1k0d3n | kubectl get pods -o wide --all-namespaces | 07:01 |
| v1k0d3n | no tiller still? | 07:01 |
| v1k0d3n | tiller appears that it's there | 07:02 |
| dupengfei | kube-system tiller-deploy-2885612843-fz0cw 0/1 ContainerCreating 0 40m <none> node3 | 07:02 |
| portdirect | jascott1: that would be awesome, i could tidy up the ps i have in and then would be really happy for you to take it of my hands or help me get it in shape | 07:02 |
| v1k0d3n | ok...wait until that loads. takes a little bit of time | 07:02 |
| dupengfei | v1k0d3n : I got it .,thanks | 07:02 |
| v1k0d3n | how long since you helm init? | 07:02 |
| portdirect | jascott1: apart form anything its really imoprtant to make sure it works for maor than just me :) | 07:02 |
| dupengfei | 10 minutes | 07:02 |
| v1k0d3n | oh wow | 07:02 |
| v1k0d3n | ok | 07:02 |
| v1k0d3n | that's a problem | 07:02 |
| portdirect | dupengfei: what country are you in? | 07:02 |
| v1k0d3n | good question | 07:03 |
| jascott1 | portdirect I am perfect for testing 'fool proofiness' | 07:03 |
| v1k0d3n | kubectl get pods -o wide --all-namespaces -w | 07:03 |
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| jascott1 | whats the w? | 07:03 |
| v1k0d3n | ^ i use that when i know my environment is good and download is speedy | 07:03 |
| v1k0d3n | wait show changes | 07:03 |
| jascott1 | oh yea | 07:03 |
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| v1k0d3n | i'm a big fan. first thing i alias :) | 07:04 |
| dupengfei | portdirect: China, The country which are blocked by firewall to internet. | 07:04 |
| jascott1 | mine first alias is k=kubectl | 07:05 |
| v1k0d3n | ouch | 07:05 |
| dupengfei | portdirect: I 'm afraid i have to find another way to get the image | 07:05 |
| v1k0d3n | ksa = kubectl get pods -o wide --all-namespaces -w | 07:05 |
| v1k0d3n | kube show all :) | 07:05 |
| jascott1 | kgp is get pods | 07:05 |
| jascott1 | ha | 07:05 |
| portdirect | dupengfei: i can help you there | 07:05 |
| v1k0d3n | oh no | 07:05 |
| v1k0d3n | here go the tor instructions | 07:05 |
| v1k0d3n | :)) | 07:05 |
| portdirect | can you use docker registry | 07:06 |
| dupengfei | portdirect: thanks, i have a VPN to get the image. | 07:06 |
| v1k0d3n | alright guys...gotta go get sleep | 07:06 |
| v1k0d3n | late here. | 07:06 |
| jascott1 | where you is? | 07:06 |
| jascott1 | ah must be east coastin it | 07:07 |
| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Trivial fix of horizon image https://review.openstack.org/411138 | 07:07 |
| v1k0d3n | charlotte nc | 07:07 |
| jascott1 | oh duh | 07:07 |
| jascott1 | alright i only have to publicly embarrass myself to remember things | 07:07 |
| jascott1 | so cool. | 07:07 |
| jascott1 | have a good one man | 07:07 |
| jascott1 | im going to work on dev setup for a few, snowed in so no office tomorrow <thunderous applause> | 07:08 |
| portdirect | ok - give me 2 mins and I'll make a gist if you want? | 07:08 |
| jascott1 | thatd be great | 07:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Pete Birley proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP: Add Development Setup Script for use with Kubernetes Helm https://review.openstack.org/405720 | 07:12 |
| portdirect | jascott1: you using halycon? | 07:13 |
| jascott1 | yup | 07:13 |
| jascott1 | thats all set | 07:13 |
| portdirect | k | 07:14 |
| jascott1 | (afaik) | 07:14 |
| portdirect | 2 more min | 07:14 |
| jascott1 | no rush man! | 07:14 |
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| portdirect | word | 07:21 |
| * portdirect wishes he had the time to walk a dog, but untill he does will hold childish grudges against them... | 07:22 | |
| portdirect | jascott1: you will need to run this on the node that you want ceph to run on (i recommend kube2): | 07:23 |
| portdirect | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/intlabs/4f432a79814f065f953ef2b08de78711/raw/69a7634996d8673b49d711e11232b8105742b503/loopback.yaml | 07:23 |
| portdirect | can either build a new cluster or just ssh in and do it | 07:23 |
| jascott1 | ok | 07:24 |
| portdirect | then i hope that that ps: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405720/ should now be ok | 07:24 |
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| portdirect | oh - you will need to remove the kolla dir! | 07:24 |
| jascott1 | ? | 07:25 |
| portdirect | 2 sec I'll fix it | 07:25 |
| jascott1 | oh i see | 07:25 |
| jascott1 | np | 07:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pete Birley proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP: Add Development Setup Script for use with Kubernetes Helm https://review.openstack.org/405720 | 07:26 |
| portdirect | from there i recomend going though it pretty slowly at first | 07:27 |
| portdirect | using the docker run command in the dockerfile label | 07:27 |
| jascott1 | cool thank you | 07:27 |
| portdirect | and working your way trhough tools/setup_dev_env.sh | 07:27 |
| openstackgerrit | jianyi proposed openstack/kolla: [WIP] Add zun container https://review.openstack.org/410616 | 07:28 |
| portdirect | dont know how to link directly to line on gerrit, but the major hacks are in this file https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405720/9/tests/bin/build_dev_ceph.sh | 07:28 |
| portdirect | where I'm just swapping out the hostname using sed | 07:29 |
| jascott1 | ah ok | 07:29 |
| portdirect | but event wothout that - i found the best way to get the microservices over was getting the kollakube template cmd working, whihc allowed me to check the output from helm debug to see that it matched | 07:30 |
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| portdirect | better go as well, but feel free to take over that ps, ar just comment on it when you enevitbly run onto issues | 07:31 |
| jascott1 | thanks again man | 07:32 |
| portdirect | l8rs dude :) | 07:32 |
| jascott1 | see ya on helm mtn! | 07:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: add panko role https://review.openstack.org/400122 | 07:43 |
| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Readability improvement to base image https://review.openstack.org/411154 | 07:49 |
| jascott1 | anyone know how to get a raw file out of review.openstack.org without downloading? more like github raw | 07:49 |
| portdirect_away | jascott1: nope :( | 07:49 |
| portdirect_away | I've tended to download the entire tarball when I've needed that :/ | 07:50 |
| portdirect_away | oh | 07:51 |
| portdirect_away | if you get the file you want up: eg https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405720/9/tests/bin/ceph_dev_workflow.sh | 07:51 |
| portdirect_away | there is a download link by where you can select the patchset that just gets that file on its own | 07:52 |
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| jascott1 | oh ive got it locally but im always wanting a raw of something on here, i bet there is a way | 07:53 |
| jascott1 | looks like infra or whoever maybe hacked on gitweb? | 07:53 |
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| dupengfei | portdirect : Can you help me to get "gcr.io/kubernetes-helm/tiller:v2.1.0" Image ? | 08:01 |
| openstackgerrit | zhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: add panko role https://review.openstack.org/400122 | 08:02 |
| dupengfei | portdirect : I just get the v2.0.1, but i can't work seemly. | 08:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Improve bash command used in bifrost-base image https://review.openstack.org/411158 | 08:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Integrate ceph-rgw with keystone https://review.openstack.org/406971 | 08:05 |
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| jianyi | can someone see my words? use this tool for the first time,and test | 08:30 |
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| zhangqiankun | yes I can | 08:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Fix ceilometer api logs name https://review.openstack.org/411164 | 08:33 |
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| zhangqiankun | can somebody tail me why CI faild :https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407810/ | 08:33 |
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| zhubingbing_ | <zhangqiankun i help you look it | 08:37 |
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| zhubingbing_ | http://logs.openstack.org/10/407810/8/check/gate-kolla-dsvm-deploy-oraclelinux-binary-centos-7-nv/2d201b3/console.html#_2016-12-15_06_38_18_769244 | 08:40 |
| zhubingbing_ | sup egonazalez90 | 08:41 |
| zhubingbing_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411164/ can u look it | 08:41 |
| egonzalez90 | morning | 08:41 |
| zhubingbing_ | ceilometer api logs name is error; | 08:42 |
| egonzalez90 | whats the issue with with name? | 08:42 |
| zhubingbing_ | we want to use log names for some flags | 08:43 |
| zhubingbing_ | for example . use wsgi apache start service api; | 08:44 |
| zhubingbing_ | we should service-apache-xxx.log | 08:44 |
| zhubingbing_ | you can see keyestone logs name | 08:44 |
| zhubingbing_ | I think we should name the style to be uniform | 08:45 |
| egonzalez90 | is OK with me, but there is a PS under review who use ceilometer-api* for log name https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400716/3/ansible/roles/common/templates/heka-ceilometer.toml.j2 | 08:50 |
| egonzalez90 | can you sync with magicboiz ? | 08:50 |
| egonzalez90 | duonghq: around? | 08:52 |
| matrohon | hi | 08:53 |
| matrohon | I'm investigating this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1649847 | 08:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649847 in kolla "elasticsearch : WARN too many open files" [Undecided,New] | 08:53 |
| matrohon | anybody already had issues that needs to update an ulimit inside a container? | 08:54 |
| zhubingbing_ | egonzalez90 understand | 08:55 |
| matrohon | actually I'd like to restart the elasticsearch container and setting a new limit for the number of open files | 08:56 |
| egonzalez90 | matrohon: fluentd dockerfile modifies it | 08:56 |
| egonzalez90 | my guess is that elastic will need too | 08:57 |
| matrohon | I'm in mitaka, fluentd is not included, but i'll have a look at it | 08:57 |
| matrohon | egonzalez90, thanks | 08:57 |
| egonzalez90 | matrohon: https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/docker/fluentd/Dockerfile.j2#L35 | 08:58 |
| matrohon | egonzalez90, ok so I'll ne to build a new elasticsearch image and redeploy elasticsearch based on that image | 08:59 |
| matrohon | is there any how-to for that? | 08:59 |
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| egonzalez90 | also, you can set ulimit option in docker, so when container start inherit limits from the host | 09:04 |
| egonzalez90 | the issue is with your deployment or is general to kolla? | 09:04 |
| des_consolado | Hey howcome the main.yml task explicitly includes the other tasks in the tasks/ directory? Doesn't Ansible include these implicitly anyway by being in the tasks/ dir in the role's dir and there being a main.yml? e.g. https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/tree/master/ansible/roles/prechecks/tasks | 09:05 |
| des_consolado | I'm just going through the kolla-ansible code and reading the Ansible documentation alongside, it's all pretty new to me, was just reading here: http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/playbooks_roles.html#roles | 09:05 |
| des_consolado | "If roles/x/tasks/main.yml exists, tasks listed therein will be added to the play" | 09:06 |
| duonghq | egonzalez90, ping | 09:07 |
| matrohon | egonzalez90, I'm facing the issue on a deployment, so I'm trying to fix it on this running deloyment | 09:08 |
| des_consolado | ah I suppose being explicit about it could ensure the order, otherwise maybe it is lexicographical? | 09:09 |
| matrohon | egonzalez90, I'm surprised the "RUN ulimit" work from within the dockerfile, since it's explicitly said that setting a ulimit from inside a container is forbidden | 09:12 |
| matrohon | I just tried, and it ends up with this error when running the docker build : Step 1 : FROM centos | 09:13 |
| matrohon | ---> 970633036444 | 09:13 |
| matrohon | Step 2 : RUN ulimit -n 65536 | 09:13 |
| matrohon | ---> Running in 301eaa75781b | 09:13 |
| matrohon | /bin/sh: line 0: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted | 09:13 |
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| egonzalez90 | duonghq: i'm a bit busy atm, will ping you later if still around here. Is to talk about the upgrade | 09:36 |
| egonzalez90 | matrohon: can you try https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E37670_01/E75728/html/ch04s16.html | 09:38 |
| duonghq | egonzalez90, nice, I'll around for about 1hrs | 09:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladislav Belogrudov proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: HAproxy start fails if controller NIC names differ https://review.openstack.org/411193 | 09:41 |
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| matrohon | egonzalez90, thanks, I tried with the --ulimit arg of the run cmd, and it work | 09:52 |
| matrohon | egonzalez90, actually, I'm wondering why docker has such a low nofile limit by default, I can't find where this default param is set | 09:53 |
| duonghq | matrohon, it's distro default, iirc | 09:54 |
| duonghq | in the image | 09:54 |
| matrohon | duonghq, it is said that containers inherit their limits from docker daemon limit | 09:56 |
| duonghq | https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/commandline/dockerd/ | 09:56 |
| duonghq | matrohon, you right | 09:56 |
| matrohon | but my docker daemon is run as root user, and the root user has higher limit... | 09:57 |
| duonghq | so, you can set it in docker daemon | 09:59 |
| duonghq | which host os are you using | 09:59 |
| matrohon | debian | 10:02 |
| duonghq | you can edit the init file of Docker | 10:03 |
| * matrohon testing | 10:03 | |
| duonghq | I do not use Debian for awhile | 10:03 |
| duonghq | soryr | 10:03 |
| duonghq | sorry | 10:03 |
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| duonghq | sup zhubingbing_ | 10:04 |
| zhubingbing_ | hi | 10:05 |
| zhubingbing_ | sup duonghq | 10:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vladislav Belogrudov proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Some tasks fail if NIC names differ https://review.openstack.org/411193 | 10:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Improve bash command used in bifrost-base image https://review.openstack.org/411158 | 10:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Readability improvement to base image https://review.openstack.org/411154 | 10:59 |
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| des_consolado | hey, if action=deploy like here https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/tools/kolla-ansible#L182 then what happens next? In site.yml there is no play to handle the action being deploy (there is with the prechecks command, so I'm confused) | 11:14 |
| des_consolado | I mean if I run it I can see that it tries to do a bunch of stuff | 11:14 |
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| Jeffrey4l | it will load the deploy.yml file in each role. | 11:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | des_consolado, https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/ansible/roles/aodh/tasks/main.yml check here | 11:18 |
| des_consolado | Jeffrey4l: ah thank you | 11:25 |
| sp_ | Jeffrey4l: hi | 11:33 |
| des_consolado | so it just goes and applies all the roles in the site.yml playbook, I see. | 11:38 |
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| des_consolado | However if I run the prechecks command, it doesn't because there is no relevant action to run any of the tasks in each role's tasks dir... | 11:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | sup sp_ | 11:41 |
| sp_ | Jeffrey4l: is there way to find the coverage of kolla or kolla-ansible ?? | 11:42 |
| Jeffrey4l | sp_, unittest? or? | 11:42 |
| sp_ | Jeffrey4l: via running unittest, I am trying to find the how much code has been hit | 11:43 |
| Jeffrey4l | should be possible. but i am not familiar with this now. | 11:43 |
| sp_ | like implementation of coverage of python | 11:43 |
| sp_ | Jeffrey4l: np | 11:43 |
| sp_ | Jeffrey4l: Thanks for the response | 11:44 |
| Jeffrey4l | np ;) | 11:45 |
| Jeffrey4l | sp_, try this python setup.py testr --coverage | 11:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | you need install coverage and ddt | 11:46 |
| sp_ | Jeffrey4l: Thanks I will try this | 11:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | there is a little unittest in kolla/kolla-ansible. and we have no idea how to test the playbook , too. | 11:47 |
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| mliima | morning guys | 11:48 |
| sp_ | Jeffrey4l: Yes, the same i was thinking that we should have some coverage and unittest part too | 11:49 |
| Jeffrey4l | sp_, definitely. | 11:49 |
| Jeffrey4l | morning mliima | 11:49 |
| sp_ | mliima: mrg | 11:49 |
| Jeffrey4l | mliima, could u review this https://review.openstack.org/410733 ;) | 11:50 |
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| mliima | sure Jeffrey4l | 11:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks | 11:51 |
| mliima | Jeffrey4l, did you remember my issue "clnt_create-RPC-Unknown-host" in cinder_volume? | 11:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | mliima, hrm nfs issue? | 11:54 |
| mliima | yes | 11:54 |
| mliima | ovs package was missing in cinder_volume container | 11:55 |
| mliima | :/ | 11:55 |
| Jeffrey4l | mliima, did u fix it ? | 11:55 |
| Jeffrey4l | why nfs driver need ovs package? | 11:55 |
| mliima | no nfs driver, but cinder-volume container can't reach the host or any ip | 11:56 |
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| mliima | in same environment, nova_compute container ran showmount -e successfully, but cinder-volume nto | 11:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | still do not get the point why ovs is required. | 11:58 |
| mliima | not* | 11:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | yep | 11:58 |
| mliima | I was wondering if you could confirm this behavior Jeffrey4l | 11:58 |
| mliima | :D | 11:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | then how to reproduce this? just deploy cinder + nfs , and try showmount -e in cinder-volume container? | 11:59 |
| mliima | yes | 11:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. i will try | 11:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | mliima, another review https://review.openstack.org/406978 ;) | 12:01 |
| mliima | I'll still find a better name that recreate_or_restart_container | 12:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | mliima, how about rollin_configuration or rollin_container ; | 12:02 |
| mliima | lets merge it first | 12:03 |
| mliima | :) | 12:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. ( may need some language expert here lol ) | 12:03 |
| mliima | I'll open a vote on ML | 12:04 |
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| Jeffrey4l | thanks. | 12:04 |
| mliima | better a "name contest" | 12:04 |
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| Jeffrey4l | lol | 12:05 |
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| mliima | back to my issue, I wondered if it is really needed to install the package within that cinder container | 12:06 |
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| Jeffrey4l | ok. i am testing it. | 12:06 |
| mliima | so I need someone else confirm this | 12:06 |
| Jeffrey4l | first step: reproduce | 12:06 |
| mliima | \o/ | 12:06 |
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| berendt | Is anybody using Clair to scan generated Docker images? | 12:10 |
| berendt | https://github.com/coreos/clair | 12:10 |
| berendt | v1k0d3n: thanks for providing your dockerfiles on github, i just found something useful :) | 12:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Trivial fix of horizon image https://review.openstack.org/411138 | 12:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Readability improvement to base image https://review.openstack.org/411154 | 12:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Readability improvement to base image https://review.openstack.org/411154 | 12:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Readability improvement to base image https://review.openstack.org/411154 | 12:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/kolla: Improve bash command used in bifrost-base image https://review.openstack.org/411158 | 13:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Surya Prakash Singh proposed openstack/kolla: Cover environment for kolla https://review.openstack.org/411313 | 13:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mauricio Lima proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Allow cinder-volume to be configured to use HNAS iscsi https://review.openstack.org/409883 | 13:39 |
| v1k0d3n | ha! berendt of course :) that's how we roll. | 13:39 |
| v1k0d3n | which one? | 13:39 |
| v1k0d3n | (working on one of them now actually for a fix). | 13:39 |
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| v1k0d3n | oh and berendt yes, have used clair with these images before, both on host and tied with a registry. | 13:44 |
| v1k0d3n | haven't gotten around to it in a while; was in a security group...then went to more of a cloud arch & open source role (much more fun). | 13:45 |
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| srwilkers | morning p/ | 13:50 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 13:50 |
| sbezverk | good morning | 13:55 |
| srwilkers | hows it going sbezverk | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladislav Belogrudov proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Some tasks fail if NIC names differ https://review.openstack.org/411193 | 13:59 |
| sbezverk | srwilkers: so far so good ;-), holidays are really near :-) | 13:59 |
| srwilkers | sbezverk, thats great to hear :) im excited for the holidays. looking forward to less time in the office ;) | 13:59 |
| sbezverk | srwilkers: I work from home | 14:00 |
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| srwilkers | sbezverk, im jealous. im "encouraged" to work in the office as much as possible | 14:00 |
| srwilkers | s/encouraged/told | 14:01 |
| sbezverk | srwilkers: I would work from the office too if it were not a sales office where everybody wear ties and suits | 14:01 |
| sbezverk | srwilkers: and no way to get a parking spot | 14:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible: Integrate ceph-rgw with keystone https://review.openstack.org/406971 | 14:02 |
| srwilkers | sbezverk, ugh, suits and ties. not for me | 14:03 |
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| sbezverk | srwilkers: exactly my sentiment too.. | 14:04 |
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| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, could u review this? https://review.openstack.org/406978 | 14:15 |
| pbourke | looking | 14:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks. | 14:15 |
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| portdirect | afternoon o/ | 14:19 |
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| mliima | hello portdirect \õ | 14:20 |
| portdirect | nice haircut mliima :) | 14:21 |
| mliima | hehehe | 14:23 |
| Jeffrey4l | how to tigger a recheck in gate pipeline? | 14:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | "recheck" only trigger check pipeline | 14:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Add logrotate configuration for elasticsearch https://review.openstack.org/410217 | 14:38 |
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| v1k0d3n | morning all | 14:42 |
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| pron | if i install kolla from git where i can find example inventory files? | 14:43 |
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| kfox1111 | morning | 14:48 |
| srwilkers | morning v1k0d3n o/ | 14:48 |
| srwilkers | hey kfox1111 o// | 14:48 |
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| kfox1111 | srwilkers: hey | 14:49 |
| kfox1111 | hi v1k0d3n | 14:49 |
| kfox1111 | nice. looks like ubuntu cut their release and the gate worked with it. | 14:50 |
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| kfox1111 | sbezverk: should we workflow https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410464/ ? | 14:50 |
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| v1k0d3n | hey kfox1111 morning | 14:54 |
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| pron | is the ansible folder gone from kolla repo? | 14:56 |
| kfox1111 | pron: it was split into kolla-ansible repo. | 14:57 |
| pron | just content of that folder or ? | 14:58 |
| pron | what does kolla provide and what does kolla-ansible provide at the moment? i am confused now | 14:59 |
| berendt | pron: kolla: docker images and tools | 14:59 |
| berendt | pron: kolla-ansible: everything related to ansible | 14:59 |
| berendt | all docs life in kolla repository at the moment | 15:00 |
| pron | so how to actualy use them | 15:00 |
| * pron loooks at all this with tears on eyes | 15:00 | |
| berendt | check the quickstart guide, it should be up to date | 15:01 |
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| sbezverk | kfox1111: morning, so ready to merge 1.5? | 15:04 |
| pron | berendt: i think it doesnt | 15:04 |
| egonzalez90 | berendt: not yet, is under rework yet | 15:05 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: Yeah. I think so. | 15:05 |
| kfox1111 | we can fix further gate instability as it shows I think. | 15:06 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: ok flipping the switch then ;-) | 15:07 |
| kfox1111 | thanks. | 15:08 |
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| egonzalez90 | pron: is the same usage but in different folders, when using kolla-ansible move to kolla-ansible folder, at tools/ have the scripts | 15:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Switch to helm 2.1.0 and kubernetes 1.5+ https://review.openstack.org/410464 | 15:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pete Birley proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm Keystone API https://review.openstack.org/410564 | 15:19 |
| srwilkers | hey portdirect o/ | 15:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Pete Birley proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm Keystone API https://review.openstack.org/410564 | 15:20 |
| portdirect | hey srwilkers o/ | 15:21 |
| portdirect | sup dude | 15:21 |
| srwilkers | certainly not me yet. how are you? | 15:21 |
| portdirect | lol - almost back on proper uk time :) about to head into a meeting thou :/ you gonna be about in an hour? | 15:22 |
| srwilkers | yeah, im here all day | 15:24 |
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| portdirect | nice - just cooked this up was gonna fix it up to talk to google cal, but may be of use? http://port.direct/dev-cal/ if there's anything i should put on it just hit me up | 15:26 |
| srwilkers | oh man, i like this | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | going to fork that upstream repo and replace my outlook calendar at work with this as much as possible. hate outlook | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron db stuff https://review.openstack.org/410336 | 15:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Fix manila-ui https://review.openstack.org/410906 | 15:51 |
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| egonzalez90 | magicboiz: ping | 15:57 |
| magicboiz | Hi egonzalez90 | 15:58 |
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| des_consolado | hey, in kolla-ansible where do we put the ssh user and does it automatically know where to look for keys? | 16:05 |
| des_consolado | I'm using it like sudo -s tools/kolla-ansible [blah blah blah] | 16:05 |
| des_consolado | it should then know my username and look in my .ssh for keys and everything, right? | 16:06 |
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| v1k0d3n | wow portdirect_zzzzz this is good man! | 16:59 |
| v1k0d3n | (the cal) | 17:00 |
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| srwilkers | v1k0d3n, +1 | 17:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron db stuff and add svc. https://review.openstack.org/410336 | 17:06 |
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| vbel | hi everyone, I try to get normal user in _member_ group working with swift and getting no access. Do we have a setting somewhere to enable such? I see elsewhere that by default swift belongs to operators :) | 17:27 |
| portdirects_lapt | o/ | 17:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for cinder keystone endpoints https://review.openstack.org/410923 | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410336/ should be ready. | 17:36 |
| sdake | hey fellas, we have a shutdown at work 20th-5th | 17:37 |
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| sdake | I will be shutting down most of this time as well but checking email periodically | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: does it affect sbezverk as well? | 17:38 |
| sdake | not sure what sbezverk 'z plans are | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | k | 17:38 |
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| sdake | our shutdown is actually the 23rd-3rd i think, but I'm shutting down 20th-5th :) | 17:38 |
| sdake | i'll be on and off | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | I'm off work till the end of the year, but will be away on vacation visiting family the 26-30'th. the rest of the time I'm around. | 17:39 |
| sdake | but mostly busy with family activities | 17:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Hel-ming horizon components https://review.openstack.org/408975 | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | kk. thanks for the heads up. | 17:39 |
| srwilkers | The helm devs call is happening now | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | which call? | 17:39 |
| sdake | unfortunately i ahve a conflict in 20 minutes so won't be able to make it | 17:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Yann Provost proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Add storage interface address https://review.openstack.org/411432 | 17:40 |
| srwilkers | The kubernetes helm devs call | 17:40 |
| sdake | perhaps kfox1111 or sbezverk can | 17:40 |
| sdake | and need to prep for my meeting | 17:40 |
| sdake | bbl | 17:40 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: got a link? is it open? | 17:40 |
| srwilkers | kfox1111, https://engineyard.zoom.us/j/366425549 | 17:41 |
| srwilkers | its open | 17:41 |
| sdake | zoom is a pretty cool service | 17:41 |
| sdake | better then google hangouts | 17:41 |
| srwilkers | i like it | 17:41 |
| kfox1111 | strarts in 20? or going on now? | 17:41 |
| srwilkers | going on now | 17:41 |
| kfox1111 | for how much longer? | 17:41 |
| srwilkers | 18m left | 17:42 |
| kfox1111 | k | 17:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mauricio Lima proposed openstack/kolla: Fix ceilometer not sending logs to heka https://review.openstack.org/411434 | 17:46 |
| srwilkers | isnt that the truth, re: openstack being a special snowflake here | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | not just that, but its the most nontrivial app they've ever had. | 17:47 |
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| kfox1111 | it will show all the gaps in the software. | 17:48 |
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| srwilkers | i agree. thats why i like the idea of having a sig focused on openstack in helm. i think maintaining that tie with their community will really help as we identify those gaps | 17:48 |
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| Bico_Fino | Anyone running ironic-inspector with Kolla(3.0.1)? | 17:50 |
| kfox1111 | +1 | 17:50 |
| kfox1111 | well, with one caviot... | 17:50 |
| Bico_Fino | Getting a lot of errors like : ERROR oslo_db.sqlalchemy.exc_filters InternalError: (1054, u"Unknown column 'nodes.finished_at' in 'where clause'") | 17:50 |
| kfox1111 | we've tried to make kolla-kubernetes a place to do that. | 17:50 |
| kfox1111 | in a way. | 17:50 |
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| Bico_Fino | I got ironic-conductor working and such. Working on ironic-inspector. | 17:51 |
| kfox1111 | how much do we encurage more independent implementations outside of kolla-kubernetes? | 17:51 |
| kfox1111 | that in some ways can be less hea[C[Clthy for the community. | 17:52 |
| Bico_Fino | what you mean? | 17:53 |
| srwilkers | ideally, i wouldnt like to encourage it at all. that does require some give and take however. that was the last point of discussion in our meeting yesterday. we need to look long term and see what's best so we can make sure this is the place that can happen in openstack | 17:53 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:54 |
| kfox1111 | multiple competing deployment tools can be healthy, if there are good reasons for the differences. | 17:54 |
| kfox1111 | but I'm not convinced we're there. | 17:54 |
| kfox1111 | at least at the helm+k8s layer. | 17:55 |
| kfox1111 | I think the compoitition couild be good around gui's and such. | 17:55 |
| * v1k0d3n reading back | 17:55 | |
| v1k0d3n | sdake: yeah, big fan of zoom over hangouts. better on my poor memory! | 17:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm chart for cinder-scheduler https://review.openstack.org/410525 | 17:57 |
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| v1k0d3n | just couple of thoughts. | 17:58 |
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| v1k0d3n | for us, no need for gui's but can understand how others would need that. | 17:59 |
| v1k0d3n | hopefully no requirement though. | 17:59 |
| Bico_Fino | Just removed and deployed the ironic_inspector container, these are the errors -> http://pastebin.com/wvVh3LbJ | 17:59 |
| v1k0d3n | sorry requirement for a gui to do things. | 17:59 |
| Bico_Fino | Should I open a bug? | 17:59 |
| v1k0d3n | also, competing deployments is ok from my perspective at least, along with competition. | 18:00 |
| v1k0d3n | to your point kfox1111 | 18:00 |
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| v1k0d3n | projects typically split because of different architectures (like what is considered to be first class). | 18:00 |
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| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: I think the differeence in my head is, most deployment tools compete with each other on their opinionated stuff. | 18:01 |
| v1k0d3n | +1 | 18:01 |
| kfox1111 | kolla-kubernetes is striving for a totally unopinionated building block layer that shoudl be sharable by anyone wanting to build a distro on top. | 18:01 |
| kfox1111 | so those opinionated distros shoudl be able to share that part. | 18:01 |
| v1k0d3n | to that though, i consider helm as a template too first, deployment tool for kubernetes (native to kubernetes) second. | 18:02 |
| kfox1111 | and we can then work on it all together rather then fighting over it. | 18:02 |
| v1k0d3n | no fighting | 18:02 |
| v1k0d3n | i think just different uses. | 18:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for cinder keystone endpoints https://review.openstack.org/410923 | 18:02 |
| kfox1111 | well, I'm saying, the different uses shoudl be handled by the building blocks for all use cases. | 18:02 |
| v1k0d3n | formatting and required steps to use it. | 18:02 |
| kfox1111 | so no reason to make two different objects in different projecgs that do the same thing. | 18:03 |
| kfox1111 | like, a k8s object for neutron-l3-agent for example. | 18:03 |
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| kfox1111 | we should be able to come up with a common object an share. | 18:03 |
| v1k0d3n | should be. but don't have to. | 18:03 |
| kfox1111 | I think most of the contention will be in the how its orchestrated /deployed. | 18:04 |
| v1k0d3n | it's perfectly fine to have different approaches. | 18:04 |
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| * kfox1111 shrugs. | 18:04 | |
| v1k0d3n | for instance, one project may make it a requirement to run some sort of prebuild before the charts are usable. | 18:04 |
| kfox1111 | thats the, should I contribute to linux, or one of the bsd's thing. | 18:04 |
| kfox1111 | the compitition is good, kind of. | 18:04 |
| v1k0d3n | another may consider their charts usable before any pre-processing. | 18:04 |
| v1k0d3n | and both are ok; just different approachs. | 18:04 |
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| kfox1111 | but linux has progressed so much farther because it kept the infighting/forking at a minimum. | 18:04 |
| v1k0d3n | * approaches | 18:04 |
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| v1k0d3n | operators will decide in the end what they like. both have place. | 18:05 |
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| v1k0d3n | i don't agree with you | 18:05 |
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| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: ok. phylisophical disagreement then. thats fine. no further talkign will probably convince the other then. | 18:05 |
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| v1k0d3n | i.e. coreos, atomic, fedora, rhel, centos, ubuntu, manjaro, archlinux, etc. | 18:05 |
| v1k0d3n | all have communities and use cases. | 18:05 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: distro's are way less forky then bsd os's. | 18:06 |
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| v1k0d3n | ok. i think we see each others point. | 18:06 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 18:06 |
| kfox1111 | distro's are kind of a fork in a way, yeah. | 18:06 |
| v1k0d3n | but both points have merit imho. | 18:06 |
| kfox1111 | agreed. | 18:06 |
| kfox1111 | I was more talking about hte linux kernel. | 18:06 |
| v1k0d3n | i don't know...i consider that so different from what we're talking about here... | 18:07 |
| kfox1111 | the discuraging of forks has caused the community to come together as a whole and contribute to each other. | 18:07 |
| v1k0d3n | i don't compare the linux kernel to a helm usecase for openstack+kubernetes :-/ | 18:07 |
| kfox1111 | and ultimately has led to linux gaining so much more traction over other os's on number of deployments | 18:07 |
| kfox1111 | from microwaves up throug supercomputers. | 18:07 |
| kfox1111 | the philosophy applies to generically to all opensource. | 18:08 |
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| kfox1111 | forks are good when needed for sure. | 18:08 |
| kfox1111 | but exsessive forks splinters the community and harms the momentum of any solution. | 18:08 |
| v1k0d3n | sometimes forks are needed to grab attention too :) | 18:08 |
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| srwilkers | i feel were getting off topic here. heres what i see | 18:08 |
| v1k0d3n | i.e. docker vs. rkt | 18:08 |
| kfox1111 | yup. | 18:09 |
| v1k0d3n | look how much good came out of that. | 18:09 |
| kfox1111 | rkt was a case of a needed fork. | 18:09 |
| v1k0d3n | have they merged, even though docker relaxed? nope. | 18:09 |
| v1k0d3n | and both good products? | 18:09 |
| v1k0d3n | yup | 18:09 |
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| v1k0d3n | well, when a fork occurs, the user feels they have a good case. | 18:09 |
| v1k0d3n | something has broken down somewhere. | 18:09 |
| * portdirect forked vanilia icecream once | 18:09 | |
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| * v1k0d3n sporked ice cream once | 18:10 | |
| kfox1111 | yes. but a lot of forks happen for kind of bad reasons. political/communication breakdown or a dev just wanting to reimplement the wheel. | 18:10 |
| * v1k0d3n sidenote: it was peach ice cream :) | 18:10 | |
| v1k0d3n | so let's call this one out to get it in the open, ok? | 18:10 |
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| srwilkers | after working with this project for awhile (ive enjoyed it, ive learned a lot) and chewing on what ive seen and whats been said, it really comes down to this: i see value in building these packages the way we're doing now kfox1111, and i get why you've been pushing this and why you're devoting your time here. its been well received. lets consider though: would there not be value in having a deployment project under the | 18:10 |
| srwilkers | kolla umbrella (ala 'kolla-ansible) that focuses on v1k0d3n's point, as in the helm charts should be assumed to be consumable already and uses helm as a native solution for deploying charts (think: kolla-helm) | 18:10 |
| kfox1111 | better to heal the political/communication issues when possible. | 18:11 |
| v1k0d3n | that is not the case with our project to be clear. | 18:11 |
| srwilkers | i see potential value in both use cases here | 18:11 |
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| srwilkers | at that point its not a fork really -- it's a different result under the same umbrella | 18:11 |
| v1k0d3n | i think for us, it was respectful of direction kolla is going to do outside of kolla. | 18:11 |
| v1k0d3n | turning this around into a positive. | 18:11 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: I think thats the batteries included phylosophy of kolla. we provide a deployment too too, if users want to use it, great. if theyu want to use a vendors project that wraps up the lower kolla-kubernetes layers, great. | 18:12 |
| jascott1 | srwilkers helm with a kolla plugin might be another way | 18:12 |
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| kfox1111 | I'm aguing though, that they shouldn't be implmenting the lower layers themselves though. | 18:12 |
| portdirect | jascott1: I've been thinking quite a lot about that actually | 18:12 |
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| kfox1111 | we should be able to work on those together. | 18:12 |
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| portdirect | jascott1: it may be a way to allow uses to intall a meta chrat for a service, or via a plugin decomopse it into micro-micro services | 18:13 |
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| jascott1 | yes i think in general can be 'kolla magic happens in plugin" and user doesnt have to use a different tool kolla-whatever for preprocessing | 18:14 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: I don't think helm plugins can be outside of helm process? | 18:14 |
| kfox1111 | which means you have to builda custom helm? | 18:15 |
| kfox1111 | I'd kind of like to avoid that. | 18:15 |
| portdirect | but ultimatly srwilkers, may have a point, which is why the thread duonghq started would be a good place to have this discussion i think? | 18:15 |
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| kfox1111 | rather, encurage helm to gain the features needed to be useful for deploying apps as complex as openstack. | 18:15 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: +1 | 18:15 |
| portdirect | kfox1111: helm plugins dont require a custom helm build as far as i know -at least not that ive seen | 18:15 |
| srwilkers | portdirect, definitely need to hit the ML with this discussion. just vomiting out some thoughts ive been rolling around | 18:16 |
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| srwilkers | kfox1111, yes. i think we stand a greater chance of driving that change if we're bringing as many eyes to the table as possible. something along the lines of kolla-helm could help bring those folks back to the table in addition to the work being done on kolla-k8s as a package builder currently | 18:17 |
| kfox1111 | to be clear, your aruing for a more visible helm orchestrated deployment subproject to distinguish itself from the lower level helm microservices stuff? | 18:18 |
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| srwilkers | if theres value to it and im making sense to others beyond myself, yeah. im just suggesting its something we may and probably should consider | 18:21 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: ah. ok.I'd be more comfortable wit that. | 18:21 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: I'm actually +1 myself to that. | 18:21 |
| kfox1111 | that follows the same pattern established for kolla-ansible vs kolla containers. | 18:22 |
| srwilkers | yes, precisely | 18:22 |
| portdirect | srwilkers: i think there maybe value in what your saying, but I'm honestly not sure atm so +1 to thinking about it | 18:22 |
| srwilkers | and i feel thats what has caused the colorful discussions we've seen here the past few weeks | 18:22 |
| jascott1 | portdirect plugin capability has landed in helm? | 18:23 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: +1. | 18:23 |
| srwilkers | instead of discussing the same thing, i feel we may have been talking past each other based off a misunderstanding. i include myself there | 18:23 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: I actually arged for that a while back. but so far the general concensus has been fewer repo's are better. | 18:24 |
| kfox1111 | I'm hoping if enough of us weigh in on that though, the general concensus will change. | 18:24 |
| * v1k0d3n on phone, but will scroll back soon | 18:24 | |
| portdirect | jascott1: https://github.com/kubernetes/helm/blob/master/docs/plugins.md | 18:24 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: I've got something I started writing up: | 18:24 |
| srwilkers | in this case, i think having another repo is an added value, because it has the potential to bring others back to the table | 18:24 |
| portdirect | jascott1: played with some examples i found via technosophos, but cant see them offhand | 18:24 |
| jascott1 | so its working? I was worried they might have delayed that for 2.2 since that doc was created before hand before 2.1 was split | 18:25 |
| kfox1111 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/ZQ9qGc8NCRXNZpdRmtHU/ | 18:25 |
| sbezverk | portdirect: helm plugin, at which point it gets called/executed? | 18:25 |
| portdirect | jascott1: https://github.com/technosophos/helm-plugins | 18:25 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: if we had a kolla-helm for orchestration, then it adds a 3rd layer to that, | 18:26 |
| portdirect | as far as know after rendering, but alanmeadows would be the best person to ask | 18:26 |
| jascott1 | wewt! thanks | 18:26 |
| kfox1111 | and a #6: "use helm for orchestrating the deployment of openstack. | 18:26 |
| portdirect | sbezverk: was thinking that using one with dry run, could actually spit out micropackages from a chart | 18:27 |
| jascott1 | is this not like what we want? https://github.com/technosophos/helm-plugins/tree/master/gpg | 18:27 |
| jascott1 | helm kolla install foo | 18:27 |
| sbezverk | portdirect: one thing that really bugs me is limitations I keep hitting with helm templating variables, you try to do something less straight forward, you hit the wall.. | 18:27 |
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| sbezverk | I was hoping plugin could address some of these issues | 18:28 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. gotl's not well liked by the golang community I think. :/ | 18:28 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: or, working in the golang community to get them fixed. | 18:28 |
| * portdirect thinks that there is sometimes an advantage to being a sheep | 18:28 | |
| kfox1111 | its not an issue that is specific to kolla-kubernetes. | 18:29 |
| kfox1111 | golang or helm should fix gotl to be nicer to use. | 18:29 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: how long should I wait until it gets implemented ;-), my retirement?? | 18:29 |
| jascott1 | ive been using go for years and nver had to use the tpl | 18:29 |
| srwilkers | depends sbezverk -- how far off is that? ;) | 18:29 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: no, but I'm just saying, if you wanted it fixed, you could contribute to those projects? | 18:29 |
| srwilkers | kfox1111, yeah. im actually going to work on hopefully contributing to helm as well so i can keep a foot on both sides and help bridge the gaps or at least point them out | 18:30 |
| jascott1 | not insurmountable to get something into sprig or would that not suffice? | 18:30 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: ok save yourself appraoch ;-) | 18:30 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: nice. :) | 18:30 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: sounds like srwilkers will help out there. :) | 18:31 |
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| srwilkers | kfox1111, looking at your paste. i agree with what you have, and also agree with adding a third layer | 18:32 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: cool. :) | 18:32 |
| jascott1 | so is 'helm kolla install foo' an abomination? | 18:33 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: it kind of feels to me to be an admission that helm can't do something it should itself? | 18:33 |
| jascott1 | i thought we were well int that realization ;) | 18:34 |
| kfox1111 | or that something is being crammed into it not intended. | 18:34 |
| kfox1111 | hehe. | 18:34 |
| portdirect | but thats what a plugin is for? | 18:34 |
| kfox1111 | I guess the distinctioin for me is this. | 18:34 |
| jascott1 | but so is 'go install py,reqs, and run a script/make' | 18:34 |
| portdirect | so i really dont think it's an admission but an opportinity to exiend it | 18:34 |
| portdirect | or run a docker container... | 18:34 |
| kfox1111 | plugins are for adding aditional optional features. | 18:34 |
| jascott1 | cleaner UX | 18:34 |
| portdirect | yup | 18:35 |
| jascott1 | look at that gpg it just runs sh | 18:35 |
| kfox1111 | there shouldn't be anythign in openstack that isn't a normal thing for deploying a major web application. | 18:35 |
| kfox1111 | generically. | 18:35 |
| jascott1 | helm gpg plugin | 18:35 |
| kfox1111 | so if helm can't do it, helm's got a problem with deploying other major web apps too. | 18:35 |
| kfox1111 | I think thats a very useful goal for helm to have though, to handle that use case. | 18:36 |
| jascott1 | i think helm does have a problem and plugins might be a piece of the solution | 18:36 |
| kfox1111 | so a plugin seems hacky. | 18:36 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I can see plugins having a place in the solution. | 18:36 |
| kfox1111 | but a plugin for kolla specifically seems like its working around the lack of major web app functionality in helm. | 18:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for cinder keystone endpoints https://review.openstack.org/410923 | 18:37 |
| jascott1 | think I see what you are saying, my point is i think user would rather run helm kolla install than having to deal with external preprocess system | 18:37 |
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| kfox1111 | jascott1: ah. yeah. | 18:38 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: so to combine both, maybe helm majorapp install ... over helm kolla install though. | 18:39 |
| jascott1 | yea was thinking it might need ot be more openstack component specific also | 18:39 |
| v1k0d3n | kfox1111: to this point (i agree) "rather, encurage helm to gain the features needed to be useful for deploying apps as complex as openstack." .... | 18:39 |
| kfox1111 | cause I know for sure at least 2 other major web applications that coudl benifit from the same thing. | 18:39 |
| kfox1111 | I'm sure there are others. | 18:40 |
| v1k0d3n | this is what i brought up on the call with my statement "find the gaps". | 18:40 |
| v1k0d3n | so we're in agreement. | 18:40 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: +1 | 18:40 |
| v1k0d3n | and kfox1111 "to be clear, your aruing for a more visible helm orchestrated deployment subproject to distinguish itself from the lower level helm microservices stuff?" .... | 18:41 |
| v1k0d3n | there are two points in there. "more visible helm orchestrated deployment subproject".... | 18:41 |
| v1k0d3n | for that, i would say that there is a notion from other projects and this was our thought, that helm would be really all that is needed. | 18:41 |
| portdirect | I tend to agree with v1k0d3n here | 18:42 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: yeah. but that's where the contentious part is. the whole community hasn't come to that same conlusion. | 18:42 |
| v1k0d3n | and through trial and error and talking with other teams...i think we're really close...and still keeping the value of having user-defined "values.yaml". << that's the whole pint anyway. | 18:42 |
| v1k0d3n | and this point | 18:42 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: let me reprase that last tatement I made just a bit to be clear. | 18:43 |
| v1k0d3n | "to distinguish itself from the lower level helm microservices stuff?" your focus on microservices is a bit primary than the other deployments that i am aware of, which is fine. i'm just saying that this is open to debate (which i'd rather not debate here...please). | 18:43 |
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| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: the community is not reached a consensus around that we should only use helm for that. there are other aproaches some folks want to support. | 18:44 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: in which case, I think having a subproject leaves room for other subprojects following the different aporach | 18:44 |
| kfox1111 | the same way kolla-ansible getting its own repo encuraged kolla-kubernetes to become a thing. | 18:44 |
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| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: sure. | 18:44 |
| srwilkers | kolla-helm gives those looking for a helm specific approach can offer them exactly that | 18:45 |
| v1k0d3n | oh and to srwilkers part about "colorful discussions"...yes they have been colorful unfortunately. i think we need to start over, rewind, etc on that. my tone is much more soft partially because i don't think we have to agree on everything. color is better in this world anyway :) | 18:45 |
| portdirect | we may benifit from some additonal tooling (eg plugin) but i really think that helm should be the entrypoint for kolla deplyment and management. if the only way to ackhive that is through a sub or parallel project then maybe we should consider it? | 18:45 |
| v1k0d3n | and srwilkers yes...unfortunately talking past one another. this is bad for the community. let's focus on the areas we agree from now on? :) | 18:45 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: I agree at the very most root. but there is a wildy different potential aporach that may require a seperate subproject. that of operators. | 18:46 |
| srwilkers | v1k0d3n, i agree | 18:46 |
| kfox1111 | k. | 18:47 |
| v1k0d3n | and portdirect plugins...yes...that's great! that's one reason why we think helm may be able to do this alone, but that's understandably debatable depending on a users choice/path forward. | 18:47 |
| v1k0d3n | srwilkers: and of course, i'm all for having smaller, more laser focused repos. i've alluded to this, but not come out and stated it. others have expressed this as well (generally speaking of any repo). | 18:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron db stuff and add svc. https://review.openstack.org/410336 | 18:49 |
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| v1k0d3n | kfox1111: yeah. gotl's not well liked by the golang community I think. :/ / true...this is why coreos is holding on to kpm. they prefer jasnette. they even use it with their bare metal tool (which i freaking love)! | 18:51 |
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| kfox1111 | is jasnette a go thing? | 18:53 |
| jascott1 | probably? | 18:54 |
| jascott1 | not familiar | 18:54 |
| kfox1111 | if its go, then tehy should be able to plug it into helm directly. | 18:54 |
| kfox1111 | there is a template engine flag in the Chart. | 18:54 |
| kfox1111 | the currently dont' suport anything but gotl but that coudl change. :) | 18:54 |
| v1k0d3n | srwilkers: love that there's cross-polination of kolla and helm. :) (to your point) | 18:54 |
| v1k0d3n | so just a suggestion? | 18:54 |
| kfox1111 | would love to see it. :) | 18:55 |
| v1k0d3n | see what the devs of helm intended. could be opportunity in what's already there. nothing worse to a dev than to have your tool worked around in strange ways, but if a user can bring it to new heights by exhausting what it can already do...there's nothing more rewarding than that! :) | 18:56 |
| v1k0d3n | jascott1: to "helm kolla"...what about just a helm project for anyone...not just kolla users? | 18:56 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 18:56 |
| v1k0d3n | the idea was to stretch beyond helm | 18:56 |
| portdirect | kfox1111: any chance you could give me some more feedback here, when yo get a minute? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410564/ | 18:57 |
| jascott1 | why for anyone? | 18:57 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: isn't that hust helm itself? | 18:57 |
| kfox1111 | just | 18:57 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: sure | 18:57 |
| v1k0d3n | just a thought. either way...your call. there's just a lot of kolla-* projects. perhaps having a fresh perspective that happens to work wtih kolla would be really good for the community? | 18:57 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: already did. :) | 18:57 |
| * v1k0d3n sorry still working now...LOT of reading and catching up here... | 18:57 | |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: lol needed to referesh :) | 18:58 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: I'd be for a kolla-kubernetes subproject for helm based deployment using kolla-kubernetes microservice packages. | 18:58 |
| portdirect | kfox1111: but its in _common_api_apython_deployment? | 18:58 |
| kfox1111 | I'd be against a complete alternative to kolla-kubernetes, duplicating effort and spliting the community. | 18:59 |
| portdirect | kfox1111: so that would be a contradction i think? unless i'm missing waht you are saying? | 18:59 |
| portdirect | kfox1111: also is that flag documented anywhere I coundt find it? | 18:59 |
| v1k0d3n | jascott1: omg...yes...that is better in my little opinion. i like that better. "my point is i think user would rather run helm kolla install than having to deal with external preprocess system" | 18:59 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: the _common_api_python_deployment has the annoitation leting end users know its safe to do a zero tdowntime upgrade. | 18:59 |
| v1k0d3n | but again, we've found that helm has what we need. so has SAP. | 19:00 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: the apache one currently has the annotation and isn't safe. | 19:00 |
| v1k0d3n | just...saying | 19:00 |
| * v1k0d3n and ducks | 19:00 | |
| portdirect | but it has a graceful-stop? | 19:00 |
| portdirect | iam i miussing somthing? | 19:00 |
| jascott1 | haha | 19:00 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: without an apachectl stop in apache, the container can be just shot and existing connections severed. | 19:00 |
| portdirect | plase look at line 32? | 19:01 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: which will manifest in a downtime in amn upgrade. | 19:01 |
| kfox1111 | k. | 19:01 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: wow. sorry. I'm just blind. I could have swarn I looked for that. :/ | 19:01 |
| portdirect | np :) | 19:02 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: then no objection and its workflowable. :) | 19:02 |
| portdirect | whoop! | 19:02 |
| v1k0d3n | kfox1111: v1k0d3n: yeah. but that's where the contentious part is. the whole community hasn't come to that same conlusion. --- i agree...but there are a few projects that find agreement. maybe we could see what they actually agree on. this was the point of the Helm+Openstack SIG...so everyone has an equal seat at the table and help each other. | 19:02 |
| jascott1 | v1k0d3n there is a makefile in aic tho right ? ;) | 19:03 |
| portdirect | jascott1: yeah but it makes v1k0d3n cry | 19:03 |
| v1k0d3n | kfox1111: the same way kolla-ansible getting its own repo encuraged kolla-kubernetes to become a thing. ---- that still makes kolla the single source of truth when there are others who only want "openstack" to be the source of truth. | 19:03 |
| v1k0d3n | i can explain later in a second.... | 19:03 |
| * v1k0d3n *sigh* still catching up.... | 19:04 | |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: yeah. aic-helm and kolla-kubernetes aporaches are actually closer then first look. | 19:04 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: just that they have started top down, and we have bottom up. | 19:04 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: so some things are more complete on one or the other. | 19:05 |
| portdirect | though that depends on the direction, they stared with a clean sheet of paper, so the comarison is a bit more east-west i think | 19:05 |
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| portdirect | I hate to say it but I much prefer the keystone over there to the one i just did :( though thats mainly down to config at the moment. | 19:06 |
| portdirect | and somthing that we can hopfull recify at the hight levels | 19:07 |
| v1k0d3n | kfox1111: the currently dont' suport anything but gotl but that coudl change. :) ---- that leaves it open for others to build on. just like CNI or runtime interface. that's how i understood that anyway :-/ | 19:07 |
| v1k0d3n | jascott1: there is...but do you know what the make file is doing? | 19:08 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: for the agreement comment, if you can convince the rest your way is the best way, great. then we can just to dthe one way. I'm staying out of it though. :) | 19:08 |
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| sbezverk | portdirect: could you be more specific in which sense or why you prefer keystone implementation? | 19:08 |
| v1k0d3n | kfox1111: man, we gotta get off this train dude, please. | 19:08 |
| v1k0d3n | "yours"... | 19:08 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: kolla is openstack. I don't understand. | 19:08 |
| v1k0d3n | it was an experiment man. | 19:08 |
| v1k0d3n | we're collaborating with helm and other folks to experience. | 19:09 |
| v1k0d3n | i'd like to take the tone down a bit. | 19:09 |
| v1k0d3n | i think we gotta start over. | 19:09 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: yeah. I agree on helm building. seems like a good thing in the long run not to be limited to just gotl. | 19:09 |
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| portdirect | sbezverk: yeah - just that if i need to change somthing its easier to work with a fat manifest, and have the config together. | 19:09 |
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| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: which train? | 19:09 |
| portdirect | sbezverk: https://github.com/att-comdev/aic-helm/tree/master/keystone/templates/etc & https://github.com/att-comdev/aic-helm/blob/master/keystone/templates/deployment.yaml are things I can hack on much easier at the moment | 19:10 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: ok. not trying to take a bad tone. sorry if its being percieved that way. | 19:10 |
| v1k0d3n | well, i don't know, but i get a sense there's still some frustration. | 19:10 |
| sbezverk | portdirect: if you have link handy, could you pass it to me | 19:10 |
| kfox1111 | jsut trying to keep up with a quick pace of irc. :/ | 19:10 |
| sbezverk | portdirect: :-) | 19:10 |
| portdirect | :) | 19:10 |
| v1k0d3n | yeah, that's why i ran through the whole list to get context in order. | 19:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm Keystone API https://review.openstack.org/410564 | 19:11 |
| v1k0d3n | i get it though. so my bad if i misunderstood. | 19:11 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: yeah. but there is lots of other conversaionts happening too. so its hard to keep up with it all. | 19:11 |
| v1k0d3n | word | 19:11 |
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| kfox1111 | it may b e one of those things better left up to email. so anttention is not split mid topic. | 19:11 |
| v1k0d3n | so i have a question. just generally speaking here to kfox1111 cores and group? | 19:12 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: sure. | 19:12 |
| v1k0d3n | oh and btw... jascott1 the make file just sets up users secrets that can be used for the project. that's about it. | 19:12 |
| v1k0d3n | because those are required for things like ceph. | 19:12 |
| v1k0d3n | base64 etc | 19:12 |
| v1k0d3n | so what if helm could deploy and upgrade | 19:13 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: chatting to upstream about that at the start of next week :) | 19:13 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: see if we can make it easier re pod CIDR | 19:13 |
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| v1k0d3n | oh yeah portdirect great! | 19:13 |
| v1k0d3n | so kfox1111 sorry (distracted) | 19:14 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: it wil ltake a while to prove helm can deply/upgrade/ and handle day2 operators. probably 8 months or more to really get operators comfortable with it. | 19:14 |
| kfox1111 | for production. | 19:14 |
| v1k0d3n | what if helm deployed and upgraded like advertised, you could deploy microservices, openstack is the only source of truth (meaning no kolla ties, no ansible required, etc), and users bring their own helm install proceedures and kubernetes installation to the table. | 19:15 |
| v1k0d3n | what are your thoughts on that? | 19:15 |
| v1k0d3n | no preprocessing, just what if helm could do it all | 19:15 |
| v1k0d3n | out of the box | 19:15 |
| kfox1111 | so, whats the source of truth for the microservices though? | 19:15 |
| kfox1111 | who provides them? | 19:15 |
| kfox1111 | kolla is today. | 19:15 |
| v1k0d3n | openstack upstream. | 19:15 |
| portdirect | as in nova, gance, etc? | 19:16 |
| kfox1111 | you mean, get every openstack project to provide the pieces themselves? | 19:16 |
| v1k0d3n | i mean, debatably....that's what's common with openstack people...all of them want openstack. | 19:16 |
| kfox1111 | I think thats somethign akin to saying, every open source project should rpovide an rpm specfile. | 19:16 |
| v1k0d3n | yup | 19:16 |
| kfox1111 | ideally, yes. they should | 19:16 |
| kfox1111 | but it never has worked in the past. :/ | 19:16 |
| v1k0d3n | ^^ we agree | 19:16 |
| v1k0d3n | ^^ also agree | 19:16 |
| v1k0d3n | but kolla does this... | 19:17 |
| v1k0d3n | with a container made for kolla | 19:17 |
| v1k0d3n | so it's a kolla source is what i'm saying. | 19:17 |
| v1k0d3n | but what if ansible and everything else was gone. | 19:17 |
| v1k0d3n | and helm did what it claims to do. | 19:17 |
| kfox1111 | its the distinction between the software developer, and the package maintainer. | 19:17 |
| kfox1111 | some people play both roles, some just one. | 19:17 |
| kfox1111 | but usually most just play one. | 19:18 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: I think it would be an interesting world your proposing. I don't see it happening anytime soon though. :/ | 19:18 |
| kfox1111 | if you want to work on making it happen, great. :) | 19:18 |
| v1k0d3n | so you're saying that images can't be created wtihout kolla | 19:18 |
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| v1k0d3n | this is what i'm getting at. | 19:19 |
| v1k0d3n | i think we're off a bit | 19:19 |
| v1k0d3n | well, to be clear OSAD is starting work on some of this in a way. | 19:19 |
| portdirect | why not try? adding a dockerfile to the root of each projects repo? so you could run docker build https://github.com/openstack/foo ? | 19:19 |
| v1k0d3n | as in...just give me an artifact. that's it. | 19:19 |
| kfox1111 | images can be created without kolla, but kolla has made certain api choises with thier containers to further the goals setout by kolla. | 19:20 |
| kfox1111 | unopionated deployment. | 19:20 |
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| kfox1111 | so, for example, kolla provides a mariadb container as a batteries included thing. | 19:22 |
| kfox1111 | you can launch mariadb without containers, or with different containers and point kolla at it and it will still work. | 19:22 |
| kfox1111 | same with ceph. rabbit, etc. | 19:23 |
| v1k0d3n | i mean that's a general cloud native approach anyway. | 19:24 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah | 19:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron db stuff and add svc. https://review.openstack.org/410336 | 19:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for cinder keystone endpoints https://review.openstack.org/410923 | 19:29 |
| v1k0d3n | anyway, good talk. not sure covered a lot, but i like seeing the different project approaches. | 19:29 |
| jascott1 | v1k0d3n true enough about the makefile but I guess Im trying to figure out what everyone thinks about using helm/helm plugins to wrap everything. is that a valuable prop? | 19:29 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: +1 :) | 19:29 |
| kfox1111 | be back in a few. | 19:31 |
| v1k0d3n | jascott1: our point has been to go all in on helm, bridge gaps where their core developers say there are gaps, use it as the source of truth along with openstack. | 19:31 |
| jascott1 | maybe the kolla plugin has hooks instead of being so implementation specific, sub plugins. oh is that what you meant by 'for everyone'? | 19:31 |
| v1k0d3n | by not having anything else (enter opinion, and controversy i'm sorry) helm is stronger, we have a simpler approach, can use helm pipelines for development of the overal project end to end, and remain very close to openstack upstream. | 19:32 |
| v1k0d3n | when i say "we" i really don't mean "we" as where i work or project specific. | 19:32 |
| jascott1 | sure | 19:33 |
| v1k0d3n | i am not comparing, i want to make that clear. i'm done comparing :) | 19:33 |
| v1k0d3n | that's not getting us anywhere because both have value in their own rights. | 19:33 |
| jascott1 | agreed. i think kolla-k8s is trying to use helm as much as possible and still achieve its goals tho. are plugins the place we use to bridge the gaps? | 19:33 |
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| jascott1 | for instance, what if kolla plugin had generic pre helm init hook that could run whatever | 19:35 |
| jascott1 | before pre hook in helm | 19:36 |
| jascott1 | cause that helm hook doesnt use shell and there is no other way to hook in afaik | 19:36 |
| jascott1 | also at the time of that helm has already rendered templates | 19:37 |
| v1k0d3n | bridge the gaps with what? - jascott1 | 19:37 |
| jascott1 | the UX gaps | 19:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for glance api and glance registry pods https://review.openstack.org/410481 | 19:39 |
| v1k0d3n | let me think of a different way to put this... | 19:39 |
| v1k0d3n | i want a brick | 19:39 |
| v1k0d3n | not a brick wall | 19:39 |
| jascott1 | helm install openstack is a lie, everuone has a script | 19:39 |
| v1k0d3n | i want to build my own wall. | 19:39 |
| v1k0d3n | so atomic level is where we're focused. | 19:39 |
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| v1k0d3n | bring your own k8s on whatever system, install helm your own way, we NEED to set up persistent storage (i'd like this to be bring your own at some point too), and bring your own values, or have us create them for your greenfield. | 19:41 |
| jascott1 | sure but plugin is very high level abstraction, in the case of current kolla-k8s approach, it could be used to call prebuild and for aic it could be used to call make | 19:41 |
| v1k0d3n | so in this way, it's very simple. i can choose to use jenkins to deploy. | 19:41 |
| v1k0d3n | i can use ansible playbooks or any other CAPS. | 19:41 |
| jascott1 | sure | 19:41 |
| v1k0d3n | i don't want a bridge, i just want some boards. | 19:42 |
| v1k0d3n | this is why the tone is changed on my end. | 19:42 |
| v1k0d3n | and perfectly willing to do whatever it takes to align. | 19:42 |
| v1k0d3n | without changing kolla, and without changing the building block approach too. | 19:42 |
| jascott1 | cool sounds great | 19:42 |
| kfox1111 | back. | 19:44 |
| jascott1 | i think we all want "bricks" TM C 2016 flandev enterprises LLC | 19:44 |
| jascott1 | sorry that was a simpsons reference, they just come out sometimes | 19:45 |
| kfox1111 | cool. :) | 19:46 |
| kfox1111 | +1 to bricks. :) | 19:46 |
| kfox1111 | I was actually considering proposing renameing microservices "bricks" or "block" to avoid some connotation around microservices. | 19:46 |
| * portdirect thinks jascott1 has bought up all cloud native lego ip... | 19:47 | |
| jascott1 | >:) | 19:47 |
| kfox1111 | hehe. I gave a presentation on k8s that used a lot of lego pictures. :) | 19:47 |
| jascott1 | <excellent> | 19:47 |
| kfox1111 | everyone see the lego car? | 19:47 |
| kfox1111 | I think its a great analogy for kolla-kubernetes. | 19:48 |
| v1k0d3n | kfox1111: why renaming? | 19:48 |
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| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: just to avoid confusion. if its clear enough, we can keep it. | 19:48 |
| v1k0d3n | i think many people understand microservices. or maybe i'm just hanging out with the right people. | 19:49 |
| v1k0d3n | i think we were talking about different type of bricks | 19:49 |
| v1k0d3n | wasn't talking about microservices. | 19:50 |
| kfox1111 | ah. ok. | 19:50 |
| v1k0d3n | gtg | 19:50 |
| v1k0d3n | take care and have a good holiday break guys. | 19:50 |
| jascott1 | you too v1k0d3n! ive got another week before that happens :( | 19:51 |
| v1k0d3n | lol i have 14 days that i can't use because i just have too much work. | 19:51 |
| v1k0d3n | oh well. | 19:51 |
| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: you too dude! :) | 19:52 |
| jascott1 | oh man hope you get that pto | 19:52 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. they are forcing me to take mine. | 19:52 |
| jascott1 | reminds them how valuable you are :) | 19:52 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: +1 :) | 19:53 |
| * v1k0d3n sings all we are is dust in the wind | 19:53 | |
| srwilkers | v1k0d3n, youre my boy blue | 19:53 |
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| jascott1 | LOL beat me to it! | 19:53 |
| v1k0d3n | LOL | 19:53 |
| jascott1 | additional generic Old School reference here | 19:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for creating and managing the Glance database https://review.openstack.org/409538 | 19:54 |
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| jascott1 | for those un educated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnywlzr7Y1o | 19:54 |
| v1k0d3n | it's what we do... | 19:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for cinder keystone endpoints https://review.openstack.org/410923 | 19:57 |
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| srwilkers | hey sdake | 20:31 |
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| kfox1111 | sbezverk: still here? | 20:34 |
| kfox1111 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410336/ is finally ready again. | 20:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron dhcp/metadata agents. https://review.openstack.org/411493 | 20:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron dhcp/metadata agents. https://review.openstack.org/411493 | 20:54 |
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| sbezverk | kfox1111: yes I am back | 21:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for creating and managing the Glance database https://review.openstack.org/409538 | 21:12 |
| srwilkers | hey sbezverk :) | 21:12 |
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| sbezverk | srwilkers: did I miss anything exciting? some starwars episode 24? | 21:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron dhcp/metadata agents. https://review.openstack.org/411493 | 21:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron db stuff and add svc. https://review.openstack.org/410336 | 21:17 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: heh. lot of conversations. | 21:17 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: thanks. | 21:17 |
| pron | i fo have a question | 21:20 |
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| pron | kolla_external_vip_interface | 21:20 |
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| pron | if i understand correctly it has to be same as neutron network? or how does this work? | 21:21 |
| kfox1111 | its where the openstack services show up. | 21:22 |
| srwilkers | sbezverk, nothing that i know of :) i still need to see rogue one | 21:22 |
| kfox1111 | doesn't have to be on the same subnet as the public network. | 21:22 |
| pron | kfox1111: thats something like "admin network" ? | 21:24 |
| pron | its network from wich i will access horison right? | 21:25 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: its usually expected that its reachable from the vm's public network somewow. | 21:25 |
| kfox1111 | somehow | 21:25 |
| kfox1111 | either by being the same subnet, | 21:26 |
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| kfox1111 | or having some router infrastructure between. | 21:26 |
| Pavo | kolla_external_vip_interface is for public API and public horizon access | 21:26 |
| kfox1111 | sorry. ment for pron, not portdirect. | 21:26 |
| portdirect | you called ? :D | 21:27 |
| Pavo | kolla_internal_vip_interface is for admin API and admin horizon access | 21:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for cinder keystone endpoints https://review.openstack.org/410923 | 21:28 |
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| pron | Pavo: do i need ip for tunnel interface? | 21:31 |
| hawi | lets as this way - which ones of them i need to make routable, which ones dont have to have gw and go outside their network? | 21:31 |
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| Pavo | no only interface that needs an IP is the network_interface: and if you want to seperate admin traffic and public traffic then the kolla_external_vip_interface: | 21:33 |
| pron | storage and cluster doesnt need ip? | 21:33 |
| Pavo | that should be using network_interface if thats the API interface | 21:34 |
| pron | those are separate interfaces for storage | 21:34 |
| Pavo | got a net layout of how you are deploying on your network pron? | 21:35 |
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| Pavo | pron this is my net layout | 21:35 |
| Pavo | https://www.gliffy.com/go/publish/11309187 | 21:35 |
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| pron | Pavo: il try to write something down now | 21:38 |
| Pavo | yeah would help to help you | 21:39 |
| Pavo | took a few days to figure out how the networking worked also pron so I know what you are going threw | 21:40 |
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| pron | Pavo: http://paste.openstack.org/show/592555/ | 21:42 |
| Pavo | oh so you are using sub-interfaces | 21:43 |
| pron | yes i want lacp | 21:43 |
| pron | well actualy atm i do have only bond0 | 21:43 |
| Pavo | neutron_interface and network_interface can not be on same interface | 21:43 |
| pron | amm | 21:43 |
| pron | so how can i do that | 21:44 |
| Pavo | neutron will use that interface for ovs bridge mapping | 21:44 |
| Pavo | pron this is probably the way I would do it | 21:46 |
| Pavo | http://paste.openstack.org/show/592557/ | 21:46 |
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| pron | Pavo: do i realy need network_interface if i have all the sub things defined? | 21:47 |
| Pavo | oh yeah forgot about that hang on | 21:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for creating and managing the Glance database https://review.openstack.org/409538 | 21:48 |
| Pavo | like this pron http://paste.openstack.org/show/592558/ | 21:48 |
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| pron | Pavo: so i cant have any tagged vlans on network interface? | 21:49 |
| pron | emm neutron* | 21:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron dhcp/metadata agents. https://review.openstack.org/411493 | 21:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for creating and managing the Glance database https://review.openstack.org/409538 | 21:50 |
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| jemcevoy | kolla-build on CentOS 7 is running incredibly slow with today's release of 7.3... yum is having lots of issues reaching the repos with a binary build... Is there a way that I can fix this? | 21:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for creating and managing the Glance database https://review.openstack.org/409538 | 21:52 |
| portdirect | jemcevoy: thats probably just the centos servers getting hammered.. | 21:52 |
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| Pavo | pron not from what I have seen | 21:52 |
| portdirect | jemcevoy: you may be able to edit the /etc/yum.repos.d to point to a less loaded mirror | 21:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Wilkerson proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for creating and managing the Glance database https://review.openstack.org/409538 | 21:53 |
| Pavo | pron if you assign network_interface as a sub-interface it would work because the sub-interface would have an IP on it | 21:53 |
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| jemcevoy | portdirect: does the build use my yum.repos.d files? Is so I can do a cobbler repo-update and just take the hit ones then use the local repo if the docker build uses the yum.repos.do on my build VM... | 21:56 |
| Pavo | jemcevoy have you tried building using a custom repo option in your /etc/kolla/kolla-build.conf file? | 21:56 |
| Pavo | jemcevoy try adding rpm_setup_config = address to local cobbler repo in your /etc/kolla/kolla-build.conf file | 21:57 |
| jemcevoy | I have not and the tool in the doc that generates the /etc/kolla/kolla-build.conf was not there... so I copied the one over from /usr/share/kolla | 21:57 |
| jemcevoy | I will try that... | 21:57 |
| Pavo | I create my own /etc/kolla/kolla-build.conf file | 21:57 |
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| Pavo | but yes there are a ton of mirror issue with the normal build | 21:58 |
| Pavo | I agree | 21:58 |
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| jemcevoy | I have three repos mirrored locally... centos7, centos7-updates and epel | 21:58 |
| Pavo | jemcevoy http://docs.openstack.org/developer/kolla/image-building.html | 21:59 |
| Pavo | Custom Repo section | 21:59 |
| jemcevoy | Pavo: can I confiure three | 21:59 |
| Pavo | yes | 21:59 |
| jemcevoy | Cool Thanks | 21:59 |
| Pavo | seperate with a , | 22:00 |
| Pavo | jemcevoy are you able to use cobbler on UEFI devices? | 22:01 |
| Pavo | because I was never able to get that working with cobbler | 22:01 |
| jemcevoy | Pavo: yes... there was a bug in the dhcpd.conf template... The efi boot instruction gets figured out the overwritten later... | 22:06 |
| Pavo | you mind helping me out someday with it? | 22:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | sayantani proposed openstack/kolla: Update Quick Start Guide for singlenode deployment https://review.openstack.org/404993 | 22:08 |
| jemcevoy | This sets the boot file which get overwritten later... } else if option pxe-system-type = 00:07 { | 22:09 |
| jemcevoy | filename "grub/grub-x86_64.efi"; | 22:09 |
| Pavo | ok cool thanks jemcevoy | 22:09 |
| pron | on what interface kolla_internal_vip_address this is goin? | 22:09 |
| pron | thats api interface? | 22:10 |
| Pavo | pron that your management network interface | 22:10 |
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| jemcevoy | Pavo: it gets set back to pxelinux.0 later on... just get rid of the reset. | 22:10 |
| pron | Pavo: thats where i access horison? | 22:10 |
| Pavo | whatever interface you want only admin access | 22:10 |
| Pavo | yes | 22:10 |
| pron | okay thx | 22:11 |
| pron | =) | 22:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron dhcp/metadata agents. https://review.openstack.org/411493 | 22:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | sayantani proposed openstack/kolla: Divide Quick Start Guide into 2 docs https://review.openstack.org/404993 | 22:13 |
| jemcevoy | Pavo: When I try running "tox -e genconfig" I get this for a response. "ERROR: toxini file 'tox.ini' not found" The tox.ini file does not get installed when following the end user instructions for a binary install | 22:16 |
| openstackgerrit | sayantani proposed openstack/kolla: Divide Quick Start Guide into 2 docs https://review.openstack.org/404993 | 22:16 |
| kfox1111 | srwilker-: is there anything left in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409349/ that isn't in other reviews? | 22:16 |
| kfox1111 | should we abandon it? | 22:17 |
| Pavo | did you install kolla using pip or git from github | 22:17 |
| jemcevoy | pip | 22:17 |
| pron | so atm kolla cant setup ceph as swift backend? | 22:18 |
| Pavo | then you shouldn't need tox | 22:18 |
| Pavo | jemcevoy run kolla-ansible genconfig instead | 22:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Moreau Simard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible: Add PyYAML to requirements.txt, dependency of genpwd https://review.openstack.org/411520 | 22:22 |
| dmsimard | ^ this is an easy bugfix, please review :) | 22:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Justin Scott proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP Helmize Heat-engine https://review.openstack.org/410048 | 22:23 |
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| dmsimard | Ugh, natively including a specific kolla-ansible role is a lot of work | 22:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helm charts for creating and managing the Glance database https://review.openstack.org/409538 | 22:49 |
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| portdirect | jemcevoy: are you still haveing trouble with installing kolla? | 22:52 |
| jemcevoy | Yes... Pavo told me about "kolla-ansible genconfig" instead of tox-e genconfig... That got me further but I failed when it got to ceph-mon and ceph-osd | 22:54 |
| Pavo | in build process jemcevoy? | 22:55 |
| jemcevoy | portdirect: this is the errorfailed: [localhost] (item=ceph-mon) => {"failed": true, "item": "ceph-mon", "msg": "AnsibleUndefinedVariable: 'dict object' has no attribute u'ansible_eth2'"} | 22:55 |
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| jemcevoy | in kolla-ansible genconfig | 22:55 |
| portdirect | jemcevoy: sorry i might have missed somthing with the scrollback, are you trying to build kolla images (i can help possibly)? or deply with ansible (i cant)? | 22:56 |
| portdirect | *deploy | 22:56 |
| jemcevoy | I originally built with the gened config... So I am doing the build again... | 22:57 |
| jemcevoy | but now stuck on buildconfig with the eth2 issue | 22:58 |
| portdirect | jemcevoy: sorry I'm confused are you trying to build docker images, or build the config for depolyment? | 22:58 |
| Pavo | yeah I am confused also | 22:59 |
| Pavo | kolla-ansible genconfig has nothing to do with building images | 22:59 |
| Pavo | kolla-build is what you use to build images | 23:00 |
| jemcevoy | Oh OK... | 23:00 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: ping | 23:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Helmize neutron dhcp/metadata agents. https://review.openstack.org/411493 | 23:01 |
| jemcevoy | So I can run the kolla-build before I the genconfig... | 23:01 |
| jemcevoy | since the update on my local repos completed I will restart the "kolla-build --registry kolla4echo.scm.penguincomputing.com:4000 --push --threads=1" command | 23:03 |
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| Pavo | jemcevoy unless you want to customize the container configs there is really no reason that you need to even run kolla-ansible genconfig | 23:03 |
| portdirect | yeah - perhaps this docker container will help? https://github.com/portdirect/dockerfiles/tree/master/kolla-builder | 23:04 |
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| jemcevoy | I will need to customize nova for pci-passthough of the nVidia Grid cards | 23:04 |
| Pavo | jemcevoy you can do that by making a /etc/kolla/config/nova directory and then add any custom settings to the nova.conf and put it that directory | 23:06 |
| Pavo | kolla-ansible deploy will merge your custom settings to the default nova.conf during deployment | 23:07 |
| Pavo | and you can even use that same directory for other custom settings and add them to an environment that has already been deployed by using kolla-ansible reconfigure | 23:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Justin Scott proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP Helmize Heat-engine https://review.openstack.org/410048 | 23:10 |
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| klindgren | hola - trying to get kolla-ansible to just run a single tag as is documented, running with: sible-playbook -i inventory site.yml --tags common,glance | 23:33 |
| klindgren | but I get an error at TASK common: include of 'action' is undefined | 23:34 |
| klindgren | TASK [common : include] ******************************************************** | 23:34 |
| klindgren | fatal: [kolla-glance.cloud.dev1.gdg]: FAILED! => {"failed": true, "msg": "'action' is undefined"} | 23:34 |
| klindgren | this seems like its no longer possible to use tags to deploy just a single service? | 23:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/kolla: Allow for image additions archives (as well as plugins) https://review.openstack.org/411534 | 23:48 |
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