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| tchaypo | gmail has noticed I’m getting lots of email from "Bug 1290486”, so it’s helpfully added them to my list of suggested gtalk contacts | 16:43 |
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| openstack | bug 1290486 in tripleo "neutron-openvswitch-agent does not recreate flows after ovsdb-server restarts" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290486 - Assigned to James Polley (tchaypo) | 16:43 |
| anteaya | tchaypo: what does that bug eat for breakfast? | 16:43 |
| tchaypo | thank you openstack bot | 16:45 |
| tchaypo | anteaya: packets. it eats packets. | 16:45 |
| anteaya | yum packets | 16:45 |
| tchaypo | but please | 16:45 |
| tchaypo | no talk of breakfast | 16:45 |
| anteaya | oh? | 16:45 |
| tchaypo | you’re just reminding me that I haven’t had any | 16:45 |
| anteaya | not feeling well? | 16:45 |
| anteaya | ah | 16:45 |
| anteaya | sorry | 16:45 |
| anteaya | look at that sky, talk about blue | 16:45 |
| tchaypo | mrmmm. blue bacon. | 16:46 |
| anteaya | hey now | 16:46 |
| anteaya | we are talking about the sky | 16:46 |
| anteaya | or the weather | 16:46 |
| anteaya | I can talk about the weather at some length | 16:46 |
| tchaypo | Is it cold on the ice today? | 16:47 |
| anteaya | always cold on the ice | 16:51 |
| anteaya | I am not on the ice | 16:51 |
| anteaya | but the snow that is is cold | 16:51 |
| anteaya | tchaypo: are you still in europe? | 16:51 |
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| SpamapS | anteaya: when last I say tchaypo he was in Seattle, but I think he may have moved south. :) | 17:12 |
| SpamapS | anteaya: *saw | 17:12 |
| anteaya | SpamapS: thanks | 17:13 |
| anteaya | I figured he might have been making his way towards food | 17:13 |
| anteaya | or the sky | 17:13 |
| anteaya | probably not the ice | 17:13 |
| anteaya | SpamapS: how was Seattle? | 17:14 |
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| anteaya | was it musical? | 17:14 |
| * anteaya experiences of Seattle have been musical | 17:14 | |
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| SpamapS | anteaya: Busy and cathardic. ;) | 17:17 |
| anteaya | nice | 17:17 |
| anteaya | :) | 17:17 |
| anteaya | I have yet to hear you sing | 17:17 |
| anteaya | I am told every time how much I am missing by not being able to hear you sing | 17:18 |
| anteaya | so that is on my list of things to experience | 17:18 |
| anteaya | much more time passes and I might have to move it to the bucket list | 17:18 |
| * anteaya notes it might be the first item on her bucket list | 17:18 | |
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| morganfainberg | SpamapS: played with oslo.messaging and Gearman on the flight. I need to dig into some stuff on how projects use messaging, but I think I see a clear path to make this work. You weren't kidding ~3 days of effort ;) | 17:20 |
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| morganfainberg | Super easy to see what is going on. I dig it. | 17:20 |
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| SpamapS | anteaya: let's fix that in Vancouver. :) | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | morganfainberg: right, because gearman is just trying to ship data in an efficient way, and not solve all the ordering/reliability problems, its protocol and the library gear especially are super easy to understand. | 17:29 |
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| SpamapS | morganfainberg: note that the way to do broadcast messages in Gearman is a bit obtuse. | 17:30 |
| tchaypo | I'm in SF today | 17:31 |
| anteaya | SpamapS: deal | 17:31 |
| anteaya | tchaypo: oh arugula | 17:32 |
| anteaya | tchaypo: happy arugula to you | 17:32 |
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| SpamapS | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAlnWQnIvgQ <-- mordred about to keynote. :) | 17:55 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: found a few exception handling bugs in presentty :) | 18:00 |
| SpamapS | urwid.widget.WidgetError: Widget <ANSIImage widget> rendered (56 x 19) canvas when passed size (68,)! | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | SpamapS, yeah noticed it was a bit obtuse to do broadcast | 18:03 |
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| SpamapS | morganfainberg: I'd be impressed if you figured it out honestly. :) Took me about a year. :P | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | SpamapS, looking at the best way to approach hooking it into oslo.messaging | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | SpamapS, i *think* i have an idea on how to do it, but limited time on the airplane to poke at it | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | just landed here in SCALE about to watch mordred's talk | 18:04 |
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| SpamapS | morganfainberg: hah you just made it! :) | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | yep! | 18:04 |
| SpamapS | they seem to be running late | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | by landed i mean i'm sitting in the room ;) | 18:05 |
| SpamapS | morganfainberg: yeah, good job. :) | 18:05 |
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| SpamapS | alright, presentty is in Debian NEW | 18:11 |
| SpamapS | morganfainberg: what room is it in? | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | LaJolla | 18:12 |
| SpamapS | stream shows empty room | 18:12 |
| SpamapS | with 4 chairs | 18:13 |
| StevenK | The stream is also 4 hours long, with an awful lot of Jono Bacon at the end. | 18:13 |
| SpamapS | wtf! | 18:13 |
| SpamapS | no live stream? | 18:13 |
| SpamapS | Like seriously | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | lame | 18:14 |
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| clarkb | broadcast should be everyone registers a unique broadcast job. enumerate all such jobs submit to each | 18:16 |
| clarkb | not fun but doable | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, yes. | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, i'm looking at more of the oslo.messaging side atm. | 18:17 |
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| SpamapS | clarkb: thats awful and far harder than just flipping workers into clients and using a coalesce to have broadcasts | 18:17 |
| SpamapS | I've wondered about turning that into an official part of the protocol actually | 18:18 |
| SpamapS | the plumbing is already in gearmand | 18:18 |
| SpamapS | it broadcasts responses to coalesced sync jobs already | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | SpamapS, clarkb's solution was my first thought, then i was reading up on coalesced | 18:18 |
| clarkb | SpamapS oh didnt know about coalesce | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | like i said i think i found the way to make it work. | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | and i was going down coalescing | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | path | 18:19 |
| SpamapS | like I said, it took me a year. :-D | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | ;) | 18:19 |
| clarkb | Not sure if gear supports that | 18:20 |
| SpamapS | also it means your workers that listen to broadcasts have to also have active client connections which may not work well in every server. | 18:20 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: best way is to have two connections. One for broadcast client conns, and one for regular work queues. | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, if there is gaps there in this progress. I'd be willing to make sure we fix gear | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | s/progress/process | 18:20 |
| clarkb | yup just pointing out that gear may not support that. should be fixed if so | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | yep. | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | absolutely | 18:21 |
| SpamapS | I'm also dubious about the actual usefulness of broadcast | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | SpamapS, it depends on supporting what people use Ceilometer etc | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | capture events if they happen to want to listen | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | but - that is the smaller case i'm looking at how needed it is | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | for the stuff we discussed this week, it is less useful afaict, short of consuming keystone events (e.g. delete a project/domain) | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | those *sortof* need to be broadcast - but also need a sideband re-sync. | 18:24 |
| clarkb | also looks like coalesce is racy | 18:24 |
| clarkb | which in practice probably not a problem | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 18:25 |
| SpamapS | morganfainberg: yeah, for the ceilometer case you also need a stream worker that will basically feed subscribers what they need. It starts to actually expose gearman's biggest weakness. | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | for the actual use cases here it's unlikely to matter, since coalesce would not be used in the cases racy would matter | 18:25 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: yeah, it's good for best efforts, but it's not good for must-deliver | 18:26 |
| clarkb | right | 18:26 |
| SpamapS | I used it to bounce workers when new code was pushed | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | if we are using broadcast for "OMG DONT LOSE DATA" we are probably doing things very very very wrong | 18:27 |
| SpamapS | morganfainberg: right | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | if we lose a couple % of broadcast data, it should be not that impactful | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | if we lose *lots of it* it's bad. | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | but thats a sysadmin issue not a "we wrote bad software issue" (hopefully) | 18:28 |
| SpamapS | morganfainberg: but with a stream of events like ceilometer wants, if you use the coalesce broadcast method, you're very likely to miss quite a few things while you're consuming the current broadcast. The way to do it is actually to have a streaming worker that will buffer and dump on a sequence. | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | SpamapS, fair enough | 18:28 |
| SpamapS | I'd argue that rsyslog is going to do a better job than gearman for streaming | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | i figure i'm going to address the ceilo use-case after the "OMG MUST NOT MISS DATA"-cases | 18:29 |
| clarkb | I dunno we make rsyslog fall over in the gate :) | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | haha | 18:30 |
| clarkb | (this is one reason we log to files) | 18:30 |
| SpamapS | distro defaults ftw ;) | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | store and forward! >.> | 18:30 |
| SpamapS | store and forward is actually a pretty good way to solve this. | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | so yeah like i said, first step: solve the "don't lose data" issue | 18:31 |
| SpamapS | actually really rsyslog might do no better than the method clarkb described really | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | look at what the broadcast is really used for | 18:31 |
| SpamapS | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHI5xM0Rt-U | 18:32 |
| SpamapS | updated now | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | yay | 18:32 |
| SpamapS | worstcats!!! | 18:34 |
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| StevenK | For those watching the stream, I'm now picturing Monty running into burning clouds to save some data. | 18:40 |
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| morganfainberg | StevenK, that is an awesome image.. i think we need an artist to render this | 18:40 |
| SpamapS | StevenK: while wearing a raring ringtail shirt? ;) | 18:41 |
| StevenK | Bwahaha | 18:41 |
| StevenK | Oh yeah | 18:41 |
| clarkb | yes DMARC! | 18:42 |
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| SpamapS | morganfainberg: go tell mordred he is still mic'd | 18:45 |
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| fungi | grr, every since google took over control for youtube, i can't seem to watch html5 streams there. i'll have to wait and download a proper video i can play in mpv once he finishes | 18:50 |
| fungi | er, ever | 18:51 |
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| clarkb | fungi: wait really? youtube is default html5 now | 18:51 |
| clarkb | fungi: maybe your browser needs updating? | 18:51 |
| fungi | it tries to present me with a flash version and shows me a warning that i'm running too old of a version of firefox (you know, the current version from debian testing) and wants me to sign in before i can adjust my preferences | 18:52 |
| clarkb | fungi: well in fairness debian testing firefox probably is ancient >_> | 18:52 |
| clarkb | side effect of these 6 week release cycles | 18:52 |
| fungi | and if i try to sign into my throwaway fungi-google@yuggoth.org account it says i'm trying to log into the google admin account for yuggoth.org and i should pick another account (whatever that means) | 18:53 |
| fungi | i have more or less given up on using google for anything. they make the internet far too complicated | 18:53 |
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| fungi | "You are trying to access Google Admin of yuggoth.org but you do not have a valid logged in account for it." | 18:54 |
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| fungi | anyone know how to translate that? | 18:54 |
| lifeless | fungi: hmm, google for domains right? | 18:55 |
| fungi | that's what i get when i select it from their "choose an account" dialog for me. maybe i need to delete all my google cookies or something | 18:55 |
| lifeless | fungi: checked the google for domains control panel and make sure youtube is enabled there | 18:55 |
| fungi | i don't do anything for that domain on google, so no clue why they would think i have an admin account for it there | 18:55 |
| lifeless | https://support.google.com/a/answer/182076?hl=en | 18:55 |
| clarkb | fungi: because when you use your own domain for google accounts thats special | 18:56 |
| fungi | ha. proof i need to just figure out how to delete my google accounts | 18:56 |
| clarkb | fungi: you should maybe have a fungi-yuggoth@gmail.com account then no problems | 18:56 |
| clarkb | or just no account | 18:56 |
| fungi | doesn't seem to let me adjust youtube config preferences without logging in | 18:56 |
| lifeless | I have no problems with my apps account | 18:56 |
| fungi | i think they've created a walled garden, and i'm done caring about using anything inside it | 18:57 |
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| fungi | hah, found it https://support.google.com/a/answer/1257646?hl=en | 18:59 |
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| lifeless | fungi: one thing | 19:00 |
| lifeless | fungi: they a fairly short time (couple years) ago removed the free tier | 19:00 |
| lifeless | fungi: unless you already had an account | 19:00 |
| fungi | though because i have an openstack.org account too i must need to delete all my google.com cookies so it stops trying to link them | 19:00 |
| fungi | free tier of what, youtube? | 19:01 |
| lifeless | fungi: so, if you care about that at all, you'll not want to delete the domain account | 19:01 |
| lifeless | fungi: google apps for domains | 19:01 |
| lifeless | fungi: which btw isn't your problem but is causing the weird error message I believe | 19:01 |
| fungi | oh, i have no idea what google apps for domains is (i barely know what google apps is) but thanks for the heads up | 19:01 |
| lifeless | ok so | 19:01 |
| lifeless | google have for most of their products two offerings | 19:02 |
| lifeless | there is the unwashed masses offering | 19:02 |
| lifeless | which uses one SSO provider, and includes @gmail.com + 'google accounts' where the domain is a domain that /is not/ in their second offering | 19:02 |
| lifeless | the second offering is 'apps for domains' which includes access to all the normal stuff like e.g. g+, youtube etc, but has: | 19:03 |
| lifeless | - a delegatable SSO (so e.g. run your own kerberos and auth via SAML) | 19:04 |
| fungi | got it. i've visited some of their sites from time to time, but don't think i've ever used any of their products. actually i think the only reason i added this account was so i could authenticate to submit patches to gerrit upstream | 19:04 |
| lifeless | - the ability to be your MX for mail, your A for web sites etc. | 19:04 |
| lifeless | so, when you added this account it could be one of two things | 19:04 |
| lifeless | - a foreign account in the mass SSO | 19:04 |
| lifeless | - the first account in a 'apps for domains' SSO provider, (with or without federation) | 19:05 |
| lifeless | since you have no recollection of $stuff | 19:05 |
| lifeless | I am guessing its the first account in an apps for domains SSO without federation | 19:05 |
| lifeless | that should work fine in youtube however | 19:05 |
| lifeless | [mine does] | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | but you can check - login to the domain control panel. If you error out (but not bad credentials) its probably a foreign account in the mass SSO | 19:06 |
| fungi | okay, seems it was related to domain cookies. it was confused that i had also at some point signed into the google account the foundation had created for jeremy@openstack.org | 19:07 |
| fungi | once i flushed all my google.com domain cookies, i was able to actually sign into my fungi-google@yuggoth.org account | 19:07 |
| lifeless | and now youtube should work :) | 19:07 |
| lifeless | and now, I'm going to write some code :) | 19:08 |
| fungi | indeed, it seems to be more sane. thanks! | 19:08 |
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| SpamapS | fungi: wait. you run testing? | 19:13 |
| fungi | SpamapS: testing/unstable | 19:14 |
| fungi | one, the other or some mix of both depending on the machine | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | I just always wonder who actually runs it. :) | 19:14 |
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| fungi | even my servers run testing this close to release | 19:15 |
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| fungi | and yeah, for the scale stream it still seems to want to use flash and then gnash ends up hating it. can't see how to switch it to html5 | 19:16 |
| clarkb | fungi: its likely because your firefox doesn't support the write html5 video bits | 19:16 |
| fungi | which i think is why i always just end up using youtube-dl and playing the file in a separate video player | 19:16 |
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| clarkb | fungi: a lot of stuff has changed in that area very recently (yay drm and patent encumbered things) | 19:17 |
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| fungi | clarkb: that would be really weird, because it supported the html5 beta they were running a couple years ago. my browser now is way newer than then | 19:17 |
| clarkb | fungi: they have likely changed since then? I dunno I don't really follow all the latest and greatest about media streaming | 19:18 |
| clarkb | fungi: but for example netflix requires a bunch of libs newer than what precise had and I think trusty last minute updated to make things work | 19:18 |
| * anteaya reads about youtube-dl | 19:18 | |
| fungi | ahh, yeah i haven't tried netflix | 19:18 |
| StevenK | anteaya: youtube-dl is love | 19:18 |
| fungi | i mostly just stick with mplayer or mpv anyway | 19:18 |
| fungi | so downloader ftw | 19:19 |
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| StevenK | TIL that update-grub will hang if you have an unreachable NFS server. | 19:19 |
| StevenK | Which is ... less than ideal. | 19:19 |
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| anteaya | StevenK: so far I am in agreement | 19:19 |
| fungi | that's absurd | 19:19 |
| StevenK | fungi: Something it runs stat()'s all mountpoints. | 19:19 |
| fungi | it tries to enumerate network-connected filesystems? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | it probably tries to enumerate all filesystems? | 19:20 |
| fungi | StevenK: well, i've also seen recent stories that since switching to systemd a lot of people who previously had unreachable nfs mounts listed in fstab are no longer able to boot | 19:20 |
| StevenK | I just saw stat("/mnt"...) in strace output and it hanging there, and the lightbulb went off | 19:21 |
| greghaynes | they just need to wait until nfs utils gets merged into systemd | 19:21 |
| StevenK | fungi: Just as well it isn't in fstab because this is a laptop :-) | 19:21 |
| fungi | because the filesystem mounting has changed such that you need to ensure that everything listed to mount in fstab actually can, or else things just asplode (which previously they'd gracefully skip and hope your system was just usable anyway without them) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | fungi: and does this happen before you have network? | 19:21 |
| StevenK | Haha | 19:22 |
| clarkb | reminds me of when ubuntu + network manager we incapable of booting with things like /usr/local on nfs mounts | 19:22 |
| fungi | clarkb: presumably not since it's still possible to boot with reachable nfs servers | 19:22 |
| clarkb | s/we/was/ | 19:22 |
| fungi | though if /usr is on nfs you pretty much just have to do nfsroot now (or jump through hoops to make sure networking and nfs are entirely supported in your initrd anyway) | 19:22 |
| tchaypo | greghaynes: nfs won’t be merged into systemd | 19:23 |
| clarkb | well it was /usr/local so shouldn't matter, it only failed because ubuntu's init system insisted on bringing up network filesystems efore you had a network | 19:23 |
| fungi | though i'm fine with that. /usr on nfs without / on nfs has been sort of silly for more than a decade | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | just the userspace utils ;) | 19:23 |
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| tchaypo | systemd will grow a forked version of nfs | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | oh god | 19:23 |
| tchaypo | that will probably be slightly incompatible with everyone else’s nfs | 19:23 |
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| clarkb | fungi: if however ou used not network manager it was fine | 19:24 |
| fungi | tchaypo: or better, highly incompatible with everyone else's nfs | 19:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: so notwork manager was quickly shot in the head everywhere | 19:24 |
| * anteaya notes how appropriate 'notwork manager' is | 19:25 | |
| greghaynes | hahha | 19:25 |
| fungi | yeah, n-m was the whipping boy after udev and before pulseaudio. now there's systemd. something else will be along shortly | 19:26 |
| TheJulia | tchaypo: Have you ever considered writing horror stories? :) | 19:26 |
| fungi | oh, and throw dbus in there somewhere. people loved to hate it for a while too, before they forgot they should | 19:27 |
| * fungi had weeks of fun trying to script bluetooth device management via dbus | 19:27 | |
| SpamapS | You guys do weird stuff | 19:29 |
| fungi | well, i had a wireless keyboard i wanted working at the virtual console, so needed to not rely on some graphical application to configure and pair it | 19:30 |
| clarkb | fungi: wireless usb is so handy | 19:30 |
| fungi | also bluez was pretty rudimentary back then | 19:30 |
| lifeless | s/wa/i/ b.*// | 19:31 |
| greghaynes | The best part about dbus was the xml | 19:31 |
| greghaynes | (not really) | 19:31 |
| fungi | lifeless: fair enough ;) | 19:32 |
| lifeless | fungi: also, pa is still a whipping boy | 19:32 |
| lifeless | seriously | 19:32 |
| lifeless | udev I never had a problem with | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | i never had a problem with PA so again, you guys do weird stuff. :) | 19:32 |
| greghaynes | Every time I plug in my usb DAC I have to killall pulseaudio to make it get enumerated | 19:32 |
| fungi | well, i'm actually able to get the pulseaudio alsa integration supporting surround upmixing purely from command line and config files now, which a year or so ago was still mostly impossible | 19:32 |
| clarkb | lifeless: my favorite pa behavior is it knows what devices are plugged in but still defaults to hdmi audio out on my video card whihc dones't use hdmi out | 19:33 |
| lifeless | clarkb: noice | 19:33 |
| clarkb | lifeless: I can only imagine that is a troll bug | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | then again as I established with mordred last night.. I hate computers | 19:33 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I think they hate you | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | they seem to like me enough to work fine | 19:33 |
| fungi | SpamapS: let's start a deep-sea fishing operation | 19:33 |
| lifeless | its fear | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | But the moment I notice that they're computers and not windows to information or delightful devices I am unwilling to then be nice to them. | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | fungi: we settled on farming actually | 19:34 |
| lifeless | its well established | 19:34 |
| lifeless | pig farming | 19:34 |
| lifeless | the one true video says so | 19:34 |
| fungi | i could get behind that. dirt is good | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | I'm working on the cloud so I can stop having any computers in my general vicinity. | 19:34 |
| fungi | and more environmentally friendly than long-haul trucking | 19:34 |
| clarkb | brisket and beer | 19:35 |
| lifeless | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs | 19:35 |
| fungi | clarkb: if we take up pig farming, we can make our own sausage, and also BACON | 19:36 |
| lifeless | <3 | 19:37 |
| fungi | there's a brewery just across the water from me which also farms their own pigs so they can make their own bratwurst. and then they have a biergarten for all of it. awesome stuff | 19:37 |
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| fungi | and they grow the cabbage for their sauerkraut too | 19:39 |
| anteaya | nice | 19:39 |
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| fungi | best part is, it's on the route between my house and the airport | 19:39 |
| anteaya | you are the seatmate everyone wants | 19:39 |
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| fungi | ha | 19:40 |
| clarkb | fungi: nice | 19:41 |
| anteaya | okay pigs are okay cabbages are okay | 19:42 |
| anteaya | stay away from chickens if you have to clean the hen house | 19:42 |
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